1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: Can't I am six forty. You're listening to the John 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Cobel Podcast on the iHeartRadio app. Welcome, We're on three 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: to six after six John Cobelt Show on demand on 4 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: the iHeart app. Later on in the hour, we're going 5 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: to talk with Richie Greenberg, writer commentator in San Francisco, 6 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: and he's going to talk about the massive hypocrisy of 7 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: all these left wing progressive union people over the years 8 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: about Caesar Chavez. Turns out he was a child rapist. 9 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: He was raping young teenagers thirteen years old among other 10 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: women for decades. This went on and a lot of 11 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: people knew about it. Nobody said anything because he was 12 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: so important to the farm workers movement, the union movement. 13 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: And you know what's really crazy crazy is let me 14 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: find it. The New York Times did the work breaking 15 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: this story. They interviewed sixty people and found out decades 16 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: of his of his sexual crimes. This is their story, 17 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: But they have a little side story and the headline 18 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:18,919 Speaker 1: on that is Chaves inspired California's Latino leaders, but left 19 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: a complex legacy. That's what compulsive child rape is to 20 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: this New York Times writer, a complex legacy. I mean 21 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: the worst imaginable sexual beast this side of Jeffrey Epstein, 22 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: who fulled the public for decades. Their own writers spend 23 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: years working on a story with sixty sources, and some 24 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: joker says, yes, Caesar shav has left a complex legacy. 25 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: Oh God, you know the way Charles Manson left a 26 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: complex legacy too, Right. People are lunatics. Everybody's crazy. Yesterday 27 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: we taught we played a lot of clips from Nick Shirley, 28 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: who's an independent journalist, and I'm telling you that's where 29 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: I'm getting a lot of the real news of the 30 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: world anymore these days is guys like Nick Shirley. And 31 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: he posted a forty minute video on x on Twitter 32 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:31,239 Speaker 1: and found one hundred and seventy million dollars in fraudulent billings, 33 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: fake hospice, fake child daycare, no patience, no children, empty offices, 34 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: empty buildings, a lot of expensive cars. Though, Megan Barth 35 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 1: in californiaglobe dot com watched all forty minutes and put 36 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: together a rundown of what's in the video, and in 37 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: the video, Shirley says that get this hospital hospice enrollment 38 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: in California has skyrocket has skyrocketed by about a thousand 39 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: percent in recent years. Wow, that explains all the dead 40 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: bodies in the street. Huh, hospice enrollment one thousand percent 41 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: and Newsome and his government did nothing. They knew of this, 42 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: they didn't care. Could be as much as three and 43 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: a half billion dollars wasted. Three and a half billion 44 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: dollars of your money. This is what you vote for. 45 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: Shirley's team conducted investigations at dense clusters of hospice and 46 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: adult care providers in Los Angeles, focusing heavily on Victory 47 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: Boulevard in Van Nys Remember Victory Boulevard Vannis Boulevard, That's 48 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: where doctor Oz put out of video and knew some 49 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: file to civil rights claim against Oz because he pointed 50 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 1: out these were Russian Armenian gangs behind all the fraud, 51 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: or a lot of the fraud. Well, it turns out, 52 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: according to NCK Shirley, that that's exactly what happened. The 53 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 1: investigation revealed apparent ties among the providers, suggesting family run enterprises, 54 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: with clear indications that the coordinated networks like the Russian 55 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: Armenian mafia are managing billing and locations across multiple sites. 56 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:50,679 Speaker 1: So doctor Oz was right. Newsom has done nothing about 57 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: it except File of Civil Rights can play against Oz. 58 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: He's telling the truth. These are Russian Armenian mafia members 59 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: that are running these fake hospices and fake daycare centers. 60 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 1: Time and again, registered addresses turned out to be vacant 61 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 1: shells in Shirley's video, buildings with dead phone lines, piles 62 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 1: of unopened mail, parking lots filled with luxury vehicles, zero 63 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: evidence of patients are caregiving, one hundred and seventy million 64 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: dollars of wasteing found. You will those vehicles? Listen to these? 65 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: A Mercedes Maybach S six's eighty. I don't know cars, 66 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: do you? 67 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 2: I know? 68 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 1: And that sounds way out of my leg It's a 69 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: very very very expensive, luxury nice Mercedes. Prices range from 70 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty three thousand to two hundred and 71 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: seventy thousand. And if you get the model fully loaded, 72 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: and if you're going to spend that much money, why 73 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: wouldn't you three hundred and forty five thousand dollar cars? 74 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: And I saw it in his video. I saw a 75 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: guy driving that that That is three hundred and forty 76 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: five thousand dollars of your tax money. That that guy 77 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 1: drove out of the parking lot running his Russian Armenian 78 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: mafia hospice daycare center. What happens is, whenever somebody tries 79 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: to investigate this, the operators just shut down one location 80 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: and reopen elsewhere under a new name or address. It's 81 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 1: a cycle of fraud and evasion. And Shirley said, this 82 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: is how hospice fraud works. A get a small office 83 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:53,559 Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, b collect Medicare beneficiary numbers three, enroll 84 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: those people into a hospice. Then build the government for 85 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:01,679 Speaker 1: millions of dollars. So you steal the Medicare numbers, steal 86 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: their names, enroll them in a fake hospice, build a 87 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: government for millions. If you get caught or there's suspicious investigators, 88 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: you pack up, you walk away with millions, and you 89 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: open another office somewhere else. John, should we get in 90 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: on this. It's easy. It's of course, if you try 91 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: to take some turf away from these mafia gangs, I'll 92 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: probably kill you. I just and after Surely discovered all this, 93 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: Newsom's office responded with a stupid meme making Surely look 94 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: like a pedophile with a dozen cameras hanging around his 95 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: neck and draped on his arms because you get it, 96 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: he was going to daycare centers. They're so they're such 97 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: vile creatures. Newsom and the people in his press office, 98 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: they are vile, foul, filthy creatures. They're not human. They're psychopaths. 99 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: The whole lot of them are psychopaths. But hey, keep 100 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: voting for him. He gets sixty five percent of the 101 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: female vote. If if you knew that billions of healthcare dollars, 102 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: childcare dollars, hospice dollars for your dying grandmother and grandfather, 103 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: and you're a woman, if you knew that was all 104 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: being funneled to criminals, and Newsom's well aware of it 105 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 1: by now. There's been a CBS investigation, there's the doctor 106 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: Oz investigation. There's Nick Shirley investigation. There's a Fox News investigation, 107 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: there's an assembly woman Alexandria Messido. It's five investigations. He knows, 108 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: doesn't do anything about it. Still vote for him, Still 109 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 1: your guy? Huh. 110 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 3: You're listening to John co Belts on demand from KFI 111 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 3: AM sixty. 112 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: On from three to six every day after six, the 113 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: podcast John cobelt Show on demand Moistline eight seven seven 114 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: mois staighty six eight seven seven moist eighty six letter 115 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: rip talkback feature on the iHeartRadio app. You can use 116 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: that as well. Boy, the teachers in Los Angeles are 117 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: something else. They're threatening to go on strike. Did they 118 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: announce the strike date they were supposed to be They 119 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: were supposed to do around four thirty today And I've 120 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: been monitoring. I haven't heard anything there. They're so yeah, 121 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: I'm sure they're busy screaming like a bunch of hysterics. 122 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: They're doing it in a park across the street from 123 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:50,839 Speaker 1: city Hall. And there was supposed to be a meeting 124 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: this morning among the elected leaders of the union and 125 00:09:55,679 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: they're going to set a strike date. And I I 126 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: was talking to chat GPT the other day, your best friend. Yes, 127 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:09,319 Speaker 1: it's I don't know if you want to admit that. Oh, 128 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: he admitted it the other day. He loves that. Yeah, 129 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: because it's always there for me and it always answers 130 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 1: my questions. And I had a question, what's been what's 131 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: been the enrollment at the Los Angeles Unified School District 132 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 1: over the last twenty twenty five years And it peaked 133 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: back in two thousand and two thousand and four, about 134 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: seven hundred and fifty thousand students. Seven hundred and fifty 135 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: thousand students, right, keep that number in your head. You 136 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: know what it is today, three hundred and ninety two thousand. 137 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean it's it's almost half. The enrollment 138 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,719 Speaker 1: is down almost half. So then I wanted to know 139 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: what's the budget. And the budget in two thousand and 140 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: four was about thirteen billion dollars and now it's eighteen 141 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: billion dollars. So how did it go up? I don't know, 142 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: about thirty percent, forty percent nineteen billion dollars, So we 143 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: went up about forty percent, but the enrollment is down 144 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: almost fifty percent. So what's going on here? Most of 145 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: the money spent is on salaries and benefits and you 146 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: know pensions, right. I've read that eighty percent of the 147 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: money a school district spends is on teachers and staff, 148 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 1: and it's salary benefits. And so how do we how's 149 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: our how's our enrollment down almost fifty percent? The budget's 150 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: up forty percent, and they're going on strike. Oh, by 151 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: the way, we've got among the worst schools in the nation. 152 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: You know, we've got thicket's about seventy percent of kids 153 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:31,559 Speaker 1: graduate and they can't do math, and about fifty five 154 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: percent graduate and they can't read. And they're out in 155 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: that park screaming and yelling that they've been screwed. They're 156 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: not getting enough money. These are really crazy people. They 157 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 1: ought to put a net over that whole park, Gloria 158 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 1: Molina Park across from City Hall, a big net and 159 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: put them in the back of a truck and take 160 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: them to a mental institution. Can you imagine you have 161 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: a business where you've lost half your customers, You're spending 162 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: forty percent more money, the quality anywhere from half to 163 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 1: two thirds of your service is given a bad review, 164 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: or your product is defective, and everybody in your company 165 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: wants a raise. That's what we got here. We have 166 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: a defective education system, aren't they anybody wants to send 167 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: their kids anymore? I mean, you take out the illegal 168 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: alien kids, how many are left? How many American citizens 169 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: children are left going to the LA Unified? Why would 170 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: you send to LA Unified unless you were dead broke? 171 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: That's just that's just a bit. We go ahead. They're 172 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: gonna be screaming, and the dumbasses in the TV media 173 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: are going to get video them screaming, all these emotional 174 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 1: teachers flipping out, melting down, and nobody in television you'll 175 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: see is going to explain that we have massive decline 176 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 1: and enrollment, massive increase in the budget. Math scoes suck, 177 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: reading scores suck, but they want more money. Deborah Mark Live. Oh, 178 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: we're gonna have Richie Greenberg on next, the writer commentator 179 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: out of San Francisco at Caesar Chavez and the hypocrisy 180 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: of all the left wing idiot unions and progressives and 181 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: all these civil rights people over the years about his 182 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: compulsive rape habits involving young girls. 183 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 3: You're listening to John Cobel's on Demand from KFI A 184 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 3: six forty. 185 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: Welcome John Cobelt Show, and we're on every day from 186 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: three until six and after six o'clock that's when we 187 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: released the podcast that is called John Cobelt Show on Demand, 188 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: and that's where you get to pick up on whatever 189 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: you missed quite the last twenty four hours. For the 190 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: memory of Caesar Chavez. He is totally utterly canceled. Caesar Chavez. 191 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: If you don't know, there's a holiday in California state 192 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: holiday the government's closed on March thirty, first in his 193 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: honor because back in the sixties and seventies he organized 194 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: farm workers and unionized them, and he became a civil 195 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: rights leader, a civil rights icon, and he was untouchable, bulletproof. 196 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: He died in nineteen ninety three at the age of 197 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: sixty six, and now thirty two years later, he's being 198 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: completely canceled. All the signs are going to be pulled 199 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: down on streets and schools and foundations because it turns 200 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: out he's a serial rapist, a sex abuser of young 201 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: women and young girls. It's almost like Jeffrey Epstein. Here. 202 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: We're going to talk to Richie Greenberg, who's a writer 203 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: and commentator up in the San Francisco area, and he 204 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: wrote quite a piece today for the California Post on 205 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: the complete hypocrisy of the farm workers Union and everybody 206 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: else among the progressive wing. Hey, Ritchie, how are you. 207 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 2: Hey, Thank you for having me today, John, I'm doing 208 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 2: it really great. 209 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: It's good to explain just how big Caesar Chavez was 210 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: going back fifty sixty years ago. 211 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, well you summed it up before you know. There 212 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 2: are schools named after him, there are parks named after him, 213 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 2: there are libraries named after him. There as student unions 214 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 2: halls that are at UC Berkeley and San Francisco State 215 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 2: University named after him. He is lauded, there are statues, 216 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 2: and as you said, there's a holiday here in the 217 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 2: state of California where they're honoring his birthday. I believe, 218 00:16:54,160 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 2: and he is revered. He is a saint. And this 219 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 2: this expose that The New York Times had done years 220 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 2: of research on him and interviewed I believe sixty people 221 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 2: to come up with this explosive bombshell on what he 222 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 2: was really like it is. I think it's devastating. It's 223 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 2: absolutely devastating to the community and to the labor movement, 224 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 2: the unions, at least those that he had formed the 225 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 2: union back then and had gone along with him. It's 226 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 2: a bombshell for sure. 227 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,199 Speaker 1: How do you think this was kept secret for the 228 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: last sixty plus years. I mean, it's thirty two years 229 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: since he died, and only now I mean one of 230 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: the victims is ninety six years old. I just in 231 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: this age, it seems impossible that nobody spoke. 232 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's probably an indictment of how strong they 233 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 2: wanted to keep how the unions, the foundations and everyone 234 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 2: wanted to keep this image of Chaves as being this 235 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 2: saintly figure. And you know, I've done some research myself. 236 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 2: I actually did quite a bit of background to see 237 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 2: what this all meant and what was leading to this, 238 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,120 Speaker 2: and what were potential you know, how to postulate why 239 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 2: was this now? And first of all, the his Chavis 240 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:30,679 Speaker 2: right hand man right had woman actually Delores Whereta at 241 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 2: ninety six years old. This is a potential issue where 242 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 2: it is now or never for her as she is 243 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:42,199 Speaker 2: advancing in age and we don't know how long, how 244 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 2: much time she has still with us on earth. This 245 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 2: might easily have been the like an urgent need to 246 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 2: unburden what she had before it's too late. 247 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 4: And she became a major civil rights figure, yes exactly. 248 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: And he impregnateed her twice when she was a teenager. 249 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 2: Yes, And that's part of that's exactly. That's the whole 250 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 2: that's part of the whole bombshell revelation. And she hid 251 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 2: that she had two children by him, and she gave 252 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 2: both of them up for adoption to be I don't 253 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 2: even know if it was adoption. She just placed them 254 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 2: with two different families to raise them as their own 255 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 2: and yeah, but with the New York Times looming, their 256 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 2: multi year investigation found the links, found, the truth, found 257 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 2: all of this. This was probably the trigger to tell 258 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 2: to indicate to where to that she should actually come 259 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 2: out as well. 260 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: You write in your piece today for the California Post 261 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: that he was not entirely with people thought he was. Politically. 262 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 1: He was very anti illegal immigration. Yeah. 263 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 2: And that's what's really interesting as well, is that he 264 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 2: was pro immigrant, meaning legal immigrant, but the illegal immigrants 265 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 2: not at all. They even had set up like the 266 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 2: unions that he was working with set up lines barriers 267 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 2: to try and bar and prevent illegal immigrants from encroaching 268 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:27,360 Speaker 2: on their territory. He referred to the Mexicans that came 269 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 2: across the Rio Grande as wet bax. 270 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 4: He was. 271 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 2: He made there was no on certain terms that he 272 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 2: was completely anti illegal immigration. 273 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: Because he correctly said that illegal immigrants are going to 274 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 1: undercut the wages of the legal immigrants, the farm workers. 275 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yes, I imagine that if if he if 276 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 2: Shabas was alive today, I think by his attitudes he 277 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 2: would be labeled probably a right wing even right. 278 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 1: Yes, there wasn't much difference in his views and Trump's 279 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: views on that. 280 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 4: Issue exactly very much opposed illegal immigration, and I think 281 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 4: that looking at at some of the comments that people 282 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 4: have made on different posts and even on. 283 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 2: My my piece that I had written, they look at 284 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 2: that as being a potential form in the side of 285 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 2: the Democratic Party. And as we see now that things 286 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 2: are turning against illegal immigration with the Trumpet administration's enforcement 287 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 2: of the borders, that might be a factor as well. 288 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 2: I'm really not so sure of that is what it's about, don't. 289 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 2: I don't see that as being as strong a factor 290 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 2: compared to the others. But you know, but you know, 291 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 2: we see now already these different municipalities around the state 292 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 2: are scrambling to cancel Caesarshave's day, cancel all of the 293 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 2: all of that, and to rename already strong. 294 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: Oh there's workers already climb and ladders to rip his 295 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 1: name off buildings in schools. I mean, he had a 296 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: naval ship named after him, the us NS Caesar Chavez. 297 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 2: Yes, that's right, and Trump tried to rename it and 298 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 2: they got pushback. But who knows, maybe this time the 299 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 2: renaming will work. 300 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, well, thanks very much Richie Greenberg for 301 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: coming on. 302 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 2: Hi John Great, Thank you to be. 303 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: Richie Greenberg, writer and commentator in San Francisco, about the 304 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: massive hypocrisy from all the progressives in the unions about 305 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: Stevin Caesar Chavez. Well, Mark coming up. 306 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 3: You're listening to John Cobel on demand from KFI A 307 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 3: M six forty. 308 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 1: Soe Caesar Chavez the the icon. I hate that, right, 309 00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: the civil rights icon. Actually, what he did on the 310 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 1: side is the raped thirteen year old thirteen year old 311 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: girls that impregnated them. He raped a lot of women, 312 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 1: He sexually abused a lot of women. And now he's 313 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: been dead thirty three years and it all comes out 314 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: and everybody's shocked and amazed. Well, I bet you a 315 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 1: lot of people knew. But there's one headline in the 316 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: California Post says, well, he was too big to fail. 317 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: He meant too much to the movement, So he rapes 318 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: a few thirteen year olds on the side, not our business. 319 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 1: And what's kind of funny is Newsome being questioned by reporters, 320 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 1: and you know what, he should come out and say 321 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: this most disgusting thing I've ever heard of in my life. 322 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: But he was a hero shot as was a hero 323 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 1: to Newsom. So listen to this. Ashley Zavala from KCRA 324 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: Channel three, questioning newsom. 325 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 5: Well, I appreciate the question, and it's appropriate one. I mean, 326 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 5: we're all absorbing. You know, we heard some as early yesterday, 327 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 5: a few days ago, someone said something maybe coming out 328 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 5: and investigation as it relates to this, and you know, 329 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 5: this is March thirty. I think at the end of 330 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,360 Speaker 5: the month, says our Javes Day. And you know every 331 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 5: year the governor of California proclaims that says our Shaves Day. 332 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 5: It's a statute. 333 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:18,360 Speaker 1: He's battling. 334 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,239 Speaker 5: And how many days I've marched, how many times I've 335 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 5: been with students, you know, talking about the movement, and 336 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 5: how many the photographs I have in my house of 337 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 5: Bobby Kennedy says our Javes. I woke up this morning, 338 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 5: was right there and and so it's been hard to 339 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 5: absorb us. 340 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 1: You know, stop stop. He has photos of Caesar Chavez 341 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: in his house? What a weader? Who does that? You know, 342 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: anybody has Caesar Chaves photos in their house? This guy 343 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: who he I don't think he's done a day of 344 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 1: farm work. I don't think he's even planted a flower 345 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: or a tomato. Play some more of this, oh twice, 346 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: he says. He he's absorbing it. 347 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 5: How many photographs I have in my house that Bobby Kennedy, 348 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 5: says our Shaves, I woke up this morning, was right there. 349 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: And so it's been hard to absorb this. 350 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 5: You know, Jen and I are very close with the Lores, 351 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 5: so many of us are, but very close for decades 352 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 5: and decades, and none of us knew and we were 353 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 5: sharing all this, and so we're just I think all 354 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 5: of us are processing it, and you know, and just 355 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 5: these kids have to process. And now, I mean, I 356 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 5: think there's Brooks. It was three dozen schools in the 357 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,199 Speaker 5: state are named after says Oar Shaves. I don't know 358 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 5: community in the country. I travel to fourteen states last 359 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 5: few weeks. I think I will, you know, in fourteen, 360 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 5: says our Shavez streets in every part of this country. 361 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 5: So we're just going to have to reflect on all 362 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 5: of that. 363 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: He was a total fraud and everybody left. 364 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 5: On a farm workers movement, in a labor movement. 365 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: That was much good. Now got another reporter tells him 366 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: that the governor ver Zona is not going to celebrate 367 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:02,959 Speaker 1: Caesarshaves Day anymore. 368 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 2: She won't celebrate day. 369 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:07,959 Speaker 5: What are you going to do in Yeah, I mean 370 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 5: I said, I'm just processing this processes. I just read 371 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 5: the article this morning, didn't didn't. As I said, there 372 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 5: was never an indication all these years, you know, particularly 373 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 5: I mean spend so many, so many, so much sign 374 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 5: with Dolores and now about two kids. I mean there 375 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,120 Speaker 5: was you know, just a lot to process. 376 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: So process, process again, the reprocess. 377 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 5: About the movement, it's about farm workers, it's about labor. 378 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 1: All right, stop three, process to absorb me. At no 379 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,439 Speaker 1: point did he go, wow, that was really disgusting. What 380 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: what a foul, violent, awful sexual preder. You understand, there's 381 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: no no rage in him, and he knows one of 382 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: the victims who was rapeful. She was a teenager. All right, 383 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: we've got Conway coming up in minutes. 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