1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: Hello everybody, Welcome back to the show. Welcome back to 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 1: the podcast, new listeners, old listeners, Wherever you are in 3 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: the world, it is so great to have you here 4 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: back for another episode as we, of course break down 5 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:18,240 Speaker 1: the Psychology of Our Twenties. I want to formally welcome 6 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 1: you to the three hundredth episode of The Psychology of 7 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 1: Your Twenties. And it's not just our three hundredth episode, 8 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: it is also the four year anniversary of the podcast, 9 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: which completely blows my mind. I don't really have the 10 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 1: words to express how insane that is to me that 11 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: I started this four years ago. It feels like it 12 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 1: was yesterday and also a decade ago. At the same time, 13 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:52,599 Speaker 1: it has completely changed, transformed, you know, just yeah, just 14 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: blown up my life in the most magical, beautiful way. 15 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: And for the three hundredth episode, I knew I wanted 16 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: to do something special, and I was racking my brain. 17 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: I was thinking about it, and the one thing that 18 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: people always ask me about that has nothing to do 19 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 1: with psychology and kind of also nothing to do with 20 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:17,119 Speaker 1: our twenties, is this thing right here is podcasting. How 21 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: do you start, how do you do it, how do 22 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: you make money from it? Why is it a good idea? 23 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 1: Should I start a podcast? And my answer to that 24 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: final question has always and will always be absolutely yes. 25 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: But I feel like a lot of people don't really 26 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: know where to start. It feels like the market is saturated. 27 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: We have this deep fear of being perceived, and in 28 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: many ways I completely understand because four years ago, I 29 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 1: was at that very place that I'm sure some of 30 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: you are right now wondering is this a good idea? 31 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: Is this something that I should do? And what I 32 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:55,559 Speaker 1: really want to talk about today is what I wish 33 00:01:55,560 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: i'd known when I started my best learnings, wisdom advice 34 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: that I can bring you from the last four years 35 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: and over three hundred hours probably more at this point 36 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 1: of episodes, just to you know, bring you into the 37 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: behind the scenes area, kind of break the fourth wall. 38 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 1: You guys know what the psychology of your twenties. We 39 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:20,839 Speaker 1: are not about gatekeeping. And there is something so I'm 40 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: going to use a very cliche word, so magical and 41 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:30,399 Speaker 1: transformative about a medium like podcasting that makes me see 42 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: it as a very special thing. And if you can 43 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: do it, and if you want to do it, I 44 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: really think that you should, and I think that you 45 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: should have the opportunity and kind of the advice needed 46 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: just to start. So that is exactly what we are 47 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: going to do today. We are not holding back. I'm 48 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: going to talk you through the last four years, what 49 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: it's done for my life, the origin story. If some 50 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: of you don't know how the Psychology of your twenties started, 51 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: my seven best practical tips for starting your own podcast, 52 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: and why if you are in your twenties right now, 53 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: I absolutely believe that you should. So I want to 54 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: say thank you so much to every single person who 55 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 1: has ever listened to an episode, to the people who 56 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: have been here since genuinely day one. I know some 57 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: of you started listening in twenty twenty one and you 58 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: DM me every now and again, and the fact that 59 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: you have stuck around for so long is just incredulous 60 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 1: and amazing to me. So thank you, And to my 61 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: new listeners, welcome. If you've only been here for a day, 62 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: for a week, for a month, you mean so much 63 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: to me and to this community, and we are constantly 64 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: bringing you people into the world of psychology and into 65 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: the world of practical explanations for your twenties. So thank you, 66 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: every single one of you. You have absolutely changed my life, 67 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: and I do not say that lightly. So without further ado, 68 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: I want to hopefully give something back to you guys, 69 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: especially those of you who want to a podcast. Let's 70 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: get into it. So if you don't know the story, 71 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: if you're a new listener, or if you have heard 72 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: this story, I'm gonna remind you. I guess of how 73 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: exactly the podcast The Psychology of your Twenties, and now 74 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: the book Person and Progress came to be because I 75 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: realized that I don't think I've ever sat down and 76 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:24,679 Speaker 1: given the story. You kind of had to be around 77 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: for a while to kind of understand it. So back 78 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, I went through a breakup. I 79 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: went through this really terrible breakup. Actually it was my 80 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: first really serious relationship. I thought that this person was 81 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: the love of my life. How sadly mistaken, but also 82 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:48,119 Speaker 1: how great that it ended. And I'm in a completely new, happy, 83 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 1: healthy relationship now. But I think that's this. There's this 84 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: element to our first breakup that is just so wildly 85 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: disruptive but also sacred and in kind of my grief 86 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: and my lone holiness. After that relationship ended, I had 87 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: this idea I was studying psychology at the time at 88 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: a and U, the Australian National University, Shout out to 89 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: anyone who is currently or has been to that UNI. 90 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: And I was actually doing a Bachelor of Politics, Economics 91 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 1: and Philosophy and a Bachelor of Arts. And in my 92 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: arts degree, we had all these options to do electives. 93 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: I'd chosen my major as psychology, and I just found 94 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: that all I wanted to do was psychology. I wanted 95 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: to do every single possible course that there was, and 96 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: slowly but surely I found myself not really caring so 97 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: much about the economics and the politics and all that 98 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: element of things. All I wanted to do was learn 99 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: about human relationships and the human mind and the human spirit, 100 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: I guess, and the biology that shapes us, everything that 101 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: shapes us from a psychological perspective. So these kind of 102 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: things intersected. At this very important point in my life. 103 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: I was going through a breakup and I wanted to 104 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: know why hurt so badly, and so I started reading 105 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 1: all these academic papers and reading all these articles, and 106 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: you know, revisiting theories that I learned, and I was like, oh, wow, 107 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: there's this whole explanation and then I started bringing that 108 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: to other things as well, thinking, Oh, why does it 109 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: suck so much to be job hunting right now? Why 110 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: is my fomo so intense? Why do I get anxiety? 111 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: What's this quarter life crisis thing? And as I was 112 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: trying to I guess explain it to myself, I also 113 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: had friends coming to me and we would, you know, 114 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: sit around the dinner table or be studying together, and 115 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: they'd bring me their dilemmas as you do as a friend, 116 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: and I couldn't help but be like, my copt, did 117 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 1: you know there's this article and did you know there's 118 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 1: this researcher who can explain this for you? And it 119 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,799 Speaker 1: was there that the psychology of your twenties was really born. 120 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 1: Like I said, the intersection of all these all these 121 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: you know, cruel but also amazing but also very human experiences. 122 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 1: I've talked about this before, but the name the Psychology 123 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: of your twenties, it almost felt like it dropped from 124 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: the sky into my lap. And if you listen to 125 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: our episode with Elizabeth Gilbert, you'll know that she has 126 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: this analogy that ideas are actually not ours. Ideas are 127 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: their own things. They're their own living breathing organisms, ideas 128 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: for books, ideas for movies, ideas for songs, and basically 129 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: they want to find the person who is most likely 130 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: to make them happen, who was most likely to bring 131 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: them into a form and make them alive. And I 132 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: feel like that's kind of what happened to me. This 133 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: idea that just seemed to happen out of nowhere was 134 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: really already an idea that existed. It was just looking 135 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: for a host, and I was its host. Pretty quickly 136 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: after I had the idea, I started the podcast. I'm 137 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: saying like within a week, and the first few episodes, 138 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: actually the first like ten episodes were recorded on my 139 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: phone in the back of my car, which was like 140 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: a super forester on my friend's floor, and there was 141 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: really like no structure, no ambition. I just wanted to 142 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: do it, and that's how it kind of continued. I 143 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: got it to a new relationship. I kept podcasting. He 144 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: broke up with me. I kept podcasting, And I need 145 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: to be completely real with you guys when I say that, 146 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: for the first year and a half, I did not 147 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: have any lessons. I continued along that way for quite 148 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: some time. I went and worked a corporate job, and 149 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,679 Speaker 1: I really thought that my life was going to be 150 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: climbing the corporate ladder as a management consultant. And I 151 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: was working in the mental health space as a management 152 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: management consultant, helping out the government make mental health programs, 153 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm really fulfilled and I'm happy, 154 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: and this is what I'm going to do and this 155 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: is who I'm going to be. And then this strange 156 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: thing happened in September of twenty twenty two. Suddenly people 157 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: like you started finding the podcast. The biggest question I 158 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 1: always get is how did you make that happen? How 159 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: did you get people to find you? And the answer 160 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: is I have quite literally no idea. I really don't 161 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,439 Speaker 1: and it's not even me trying to safeguard's secrets, like 162 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: I really don't know. I didn't have social media, I 163 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: wasn't really doing guest episodes. I wasn't appearing on other 164 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: people's episodes. I didn't have any money in it. I 165 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: wasn't another publicist, I wasn't featured anywhere. It was all 166 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: word of mouth. It was you guys, the listeners, sharing 167 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: this with other people, and overnight it blew up and 168 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: I was number ten. Then I was number three on 169 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: the podcast charts, and then I was number one, above 170 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: a Rogan, above all these other people, And it was 171 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: terrifying because suddenly people cared about what I had to say. 172 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: And until that point it had just been like ramblings 173 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 1: of a twenty something, and now it felt really serious. 174 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: And pretty quickly I realized like, oh, this is my calling, 175 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: this is gonna be my job, like this corporate career 176 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: that I invested so much in, like this this might 177 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: actually not be it. I was so lucky. I found 178 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: an agent from the US. She approached me, and I 179 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: remember getting her email and being like this is a scam, 180 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: Like this is totally a scam. And she was the 181 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: one who was really like, you have to make a decision. 182 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 1: Do you want to quit your job and do this, 183 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: because it's going to take a lot from you, Like 184 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: you really got something here. People are already listening. I 185 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: think we can make it happen. And so at the 186 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: start of probably the middle of twenty twenty three, April 187 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, I walked into work and I quit 188 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: my job, and podcasting became my career, became my full 189 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: time professions. That as well was two years ago. Now 190 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 1: I have another podcast called Mantra. I wrote a book. 191 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: I just finished this amazing Dinner with Strangers series of 192 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 1: events across Australia where we met one hundred two hundred 193 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: people who came out and chatted to us and met 194 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: each other. I speak on panels. I get to meet 195 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: you guys, and that is so different to how I 196 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: thought my life was going to turn out. And I 197 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: always try and use my story to emphasize to people 198 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: that your life can change for the better at any 199 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: given moment if you give the idea that you think 200 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: is almost good enough a chance, and if you give 201 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: yourself a chance. Now, I'm not saying that everyone who 202 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:14,719 Speaker 1: starts a podcast is going to be able to quit 203 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: their job, but I think that even if I hadn't 204 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: been able to quit my job, this whole experience would 205 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: still and would remain to this day be invaluable. And 206 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: I want to explain why I think that if you 207 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: are in your twenties, you should start a podcast. And 208 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: it has nothing to do with money, and it has 209 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: nothing to do with success or visibility or fame or 210 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: whatever else. It has everything to do with the fact 211 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: that it is a completely eye opening experience and it 212 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: will open slash put up a mirror to the deepest 213 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,319 Speaker 1: parts of yourself. Let me explain my four arguments for 214 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: why you should be doing this. Number one, Starting a 215 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: podcast in your twenties is basically a way of keeping 216 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,439 Speaker 1: a personal journal of the things you care about and 217 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: what you're going through right now. It is not for 218 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: anyone else. When I started, what I really wanted to 219 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: do was explain my own experiences and capture this like 220 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,599 Speaker 1: decade and all these moments that felt like so important. 221 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: I remember being like, this is something I want to remember. 222 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: And I had this weird obsession with not forgetting things 223 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: and with holding onto memories, and podcasting was my way 224 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: of doing that. A podcast acts as like this incredible 225 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: time capsule for the point in your life that you 226 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: are at now, and I really want to emphasize that 227 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: it's not for anyone else. It's for you. And even 228 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: if no one ever listens, this thing could live on 229 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: the internet for years and years and years. It will 230 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: live on the internet for years and years and years. 231 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: And how amazing would it be to be thirty five, 232 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 1: forty five, sixty and be able to listen back to 233 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: the voice of you at twenty one, what she or 234 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: he cared about, what they were going through, what they 235 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: thought was fascinating, what they thought they knew about life. 236 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 1: The second reason why I think podcasting is a really 237 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: important if you were in your twenties is that it 238 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: teaches you to really follow through. So this was another 239 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 1: element of the story that I didn't really talk about, 240 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: and it was that I was very, very lost when 241 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: I started the Psychology of your Twenties. I actually didn't 242 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: have my corporate job yet, I didn't have any job offers. 243 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: I was about to graduate. In fact, I think I 244 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: had already graduated from one of my degrees, and I 245 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: had no clue what I was doing. And I just 246 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: felt this overwhelming sense of like the path in front 247 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:33,199 Speaker 1: of me is going to always be me doing things 248 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: for other people. And it feels very like laid out, 249 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: like I graduated, I get the job, I do this, 250 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,559 Speaker 1: I do this, I do this, And I hadn't really 251 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: challenged myself, and I hadn't really given myself a goal 252 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: to follow through on that wasn't according to a timeline 253 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: that was given to me. So to explain it, like, 254 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 1: obviously I had a goal of graduating university, but that 255 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,839 Speaker 1: kind of felt expected. I had a goal of getting 256 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: a job, but again I needed to make money, and 257 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: I was like, when was the last time I actually 258 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: did something for myself? Because I wanted to prove that 259 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: I could do it and I wanted to follow through, 260 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: and podcasting really gave me that opportunity to trust myself 261 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: and to say to myself, I'm setting a goal. I'm 262 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 1: doing this not because anyone else is going to give 263 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: me praise or it's going to give me an award. 264 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: I'm doing it just for me, and I have the 265 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: motivation and the capabilities and the trust in myself to 266 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: do it even if no one else is watching. So 267 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: that's the second reason why I think it's really important 268 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: to have a podcast or do some have some kind 269 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: of project that is just personal to you. The third 270 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: reason why I think it's so invaluable is that it 271 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: allows you to climb Cringe Mountain. You've probably heard this, 272 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: but so many people these days say something along the 273 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: lines of everyone has a podcast now, Everyone does this nowadays, 274 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: and it's kind of set in a way to I 275 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: don't know, tear down the people who do it and 276 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: to discourage people trying and to make it seem like 277 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: this is easy and anyone can do it and it's 278 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: not valuable. I have a theory the people who always 279 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: say that, and I've heard it before, I think they 280 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: actually secretly want to do it, but they don't have 281 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: the courage, and so they have to convince themselves that 282 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: this thing isn't desirable as a way to not look 283 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: in the mirror and realize that they actually just don't 284 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: have the courage to do it. They don't have the bravery, 285 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: They can't put themselves out there. That is not going 286 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: to be you. You're not going to be that person 287 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:40,119 Speaker 1: who belittles other people's ideas or who tries to downplay 288 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: other people just trying. One of my guiding philosophies in 289 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: life has always been that you will never be criticized 290 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: by someone who is doing better than you or by 291 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: someone who you admire, especially if that person is secure 292 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: in themselves, because someone who has done the thing that 293 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: you want to do is going to understand how hard 294 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: it is. It's going to understand what it takes to 295 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: be successful, and is going to understand how brilliant of 296 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: an opportunity it is to just try. And so they 297 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: will look at you and think, Wow, I'm so excited 298 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: for you. Wow. Come and join us, Come take a 299 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: seat at the table. The people who are going to 300 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: criticize you for putting yourself out there aren't the people 301 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: who are already sitting at that table. They're the people 302 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: who are standing over in the corner, looking over and 303 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: enviously and with jealousy, and thinking I don't actually want 304 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: to sit there, but they do. Podcasting allows you to 305 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: climb cringe mountain, and it allows you to understand that 306 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: some people probably won't like what you have to say. 307 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: Some people will think it's embarrassing. Some people will think 308 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: that you're entering into an oversaturated market. It really doesn't matter, 309 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: because it's something that you want to do, and that 310 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: is the most valuable part of this exercise. I actually 311 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: have a story for you on this. When I first 312 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: started podcasting, I was dating someone and I remember him 313 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: telling me that some of his friends thought that my 314 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: podcast was in no uncertain terms laying I remember him 315 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: telling me about this one friend who said to him, Oh, 316 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: like that Gemma's podcast is like kind of weird, and 317 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: like that name is too specific. The psychology of your twenties, 318 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: like no one's going to listen to that. It doesn't 319 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 1: appeal to a broad enough audience. And god, that's just 320 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: so funny to me now because I have no idea, 321 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: I have no clue what that guy is doing. But 322 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: here I am getting to do my dream job. And 323 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: I remember saying to the guy I was dating after 324 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: he told me these things that his friend had said, 325 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: I kind of indignantly was like, well, I don't really 326 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: care if I'm not successful. Don't you see that this 327 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 1: isn't for applause, This isn't for visibility, this isn't isn't 328 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: for fame or whatever. It is like, this is because 329 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 1: I like it, And the fact that this other person 330 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: can't see that shows that he has a real insecurity 331 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: towards people trying because he can't. Finally, the reason I 332 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: think you should start a podcast is because it's fun, firstly, 333 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: but also it's a really good thing to put on yours. 334 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: It shows that you care about things. It shows that 335 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: you have a passion. It shows that you have followed through. 336 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 1: It shows that you can handle a project. I always 337 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: get resumes from people who want to work for the 338 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: Psychology of your twenties, and if they have started a podcast, 339 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,360 Speaker 1: I will always look twice, and I always even if 340 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: I don't reply to them, because sometimes I can't, but 341 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: I will always check out their podcast because I think 342 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: it's such a personal reflection of someone's you know, in 343 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: a self and who they are and what they care 344 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: about and what they represent. And you know, if you're 345 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 1: struggling in the job market at the moment, if you 346 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: are finding that you can't get opportunities, it's a great 347 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 1: way to make an opportunity for yourself and to leverage 348 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 1: that into maybe a job, or leverage it into an internship, 349 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: leverage it into a connection, and have this thing that 350 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:54,679 Speaker 1: you have made that says I do care, I have skills, 351 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: I can be a self starter. So that is my 352 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 1: argument first and foremost for why you should start podcast 353 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: in your twenties. I hope you don't need any more convincing. 354 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 1: I hope you're sitting there thinking, yes, I'm going to 355 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: do this. What I want to now talk you through 356 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: is exactly how and what I wish I had known 357 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: before I started, because it was a lot of trial 358 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: and error, and now that I'm at this point where 359 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 1: I think the error is a little bit less, I 360 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: can share those learnings with you, and I can give 361 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: you kind of the blueprint and the roadmap to maybe 362 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 1: getting to where I am. Hopefully getting to where I 363 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 1: am where you get to live out what is an 364 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 1: amazing career. So stay with us. We'll be back after 365 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: this short break. So my best tips for starting a podcast. 366 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 1: I took this very seriously. I was up last night 367 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: after me and my boyfriend had dinner, and I was 368 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: like making all of these notes on my little iPad 369 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: around exactly what I wish i'd known. The first tip, 370 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: and the first thing you kind of have to the 371 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 1: hurdle you have to jump across is what do I 372 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: even want to talk about? How do you find your topic? 373 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 1: The best question to ask yourself is what do you 374 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: already talk about all the time anyways? What is the 375 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 1: thing that fascinates you to no end? What do you 376 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: chat with with your friends? What do you like to 377 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: read about, what do you like to watch? What do 378 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 1: you really care about? That's your topic? I would really say, 379 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: don't try and copy what someone else has already done, 380 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: because you won't care about it as much as your 381 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 1: own idea that comes from your passions and comes from 382 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 1: your interests. And people can really really tell if you're 383 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: just doing something because you've seen that it's worked for 384 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 1: someone else and you don't actually care about the content matter. 385 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: I remember someone actually started a podcast. This is awkward. 386 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: I don't know if I should say this, but I'm 387 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 1: going to. I have no ill will towards them. But 388 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: it was called The Philosophy of Your Twenties and they 389 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: started a while back, and it basically was a point 390 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: copy of what I'm doing. She copied my artwork, she 391 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:02,239 Speaker 1: copied my episode titles, my bio, my Instagram, lay out 392 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: my colors, and it really bumped me out. I was like, Oh, 393 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: I put a lot of time and energy into this thing. 394 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: This is like my entire identity. At that point, I 395 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 1: was so like consumed with podcasting. I really didn't do 396 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,439 Speaker 1: anything else, and so it really hurt me kind of. 397 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 1: And then I was like, I know how much effort 398 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: this takes. I know how much work is actually contained 399 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: in making something you're proud of. And the only thing 400 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: that's going to drive you to do that in that 401 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: initial like starting phase is if you genuinely care about 402 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 1: what you're talking about. So what do you already talk 403 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: about a lot? Right? Now what do you already feel 404 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: fascinated by. You're allowed to mix and match some things, 405 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: like you can talk about politics, and you can talk 406 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: about pop culture, and you can talk about books, but 407 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: you can also talk about music, and you can talk 408 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: about dating, but also about science. Like there's as many 409 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 1: combinations as you want. Just find what you care about. Secondly, 410 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: my biggest tip here is don't worry about having all 411 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: the gear. Just start with what you have. Sometimes having 412 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 1: like the five thousand dollars microphone or even the two 413 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:09,239 Speaker 1: hundred dollars microphone can be discouraging because you feel like 414 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: you need to make your production more professional at the beginning, 415 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: and that adds a lot of pressure, which can really 416 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: just be gasoline on the procrastination fire. Start with what 417 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: you have. You can record with your phone. I recorded 418 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,439 Speaker 1: with my phone. In fact, you can go back and 419 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: listen to episodes where you can hear that that is 420 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: an iPhone whatever. It was an iPhone eleven, Like, it 421 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 1: wasn't great, But I just started with what I had, 422 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: and then as I got further along and I knew 423 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,479 Speaker 1: I had my follow through, I upgraded my equipment. What 424 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 1: we're really focusing on here is consistency. That is the 425 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 1: most important ingredient for you to have in the first 426 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 1: three months. So if you're intent on starting a podcast, 427 00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 1: I want you to choose just one day a week Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, 428 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: and force yourself to post an episode. Force yourself to 429 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: post anything, even if it is literally a five minute 430 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: rant about someone who cut you off at the grocery store, 431 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: even if it is just your take on something small 432 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,360 Speaker 1: or random, even if it's like it just it can 433 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: be anything. I just need you to start posting one 434 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,880 Speaker 1: day a week consistently. We know the science. It takes 435 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: three months to form a new habit, three months for 436 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: your brain to say, oh, this is something that we do. 437 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: We are someone who makes a podcast, and three months 438 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: for you to really adapt to the energy and the 439 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 1: effort needed and to feel like this is part of 440 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: your routine. After that three months is up is when 441 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: you can start focusing on other things. That's when you 442 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 1: can start focusing on polishing your form, on improving small 443 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 1: things about the content, about audio equality. But in the beginning, 444 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: you know, don't worry about video, don't really worry about 445 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 1: having the most perfect spectacular audio quality, don't worry about 446 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: arms and ours. I used to edit on garage band. 447 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 1: I still do. It's like the free software on my computer. 448 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: I still use like the I still sometimes use my 449 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,360 Speaker 1: phone for audio pickups and for ads and for filming. 450 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: Like podcasting is like the best thing to be a 451 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: beginner at, because people can't always notice that that's the case. 452 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 1: Another element of this is also don't focus too much 453 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: on social media. So I don't think I really focused 454 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: on social media until maybe a year and a half 455 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 1: in Again evidence of this, if you have some extra time, 456 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: scroll down to the bottom of my Instagram feed. At 457 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 1: that psychology podcast. It was terrible. It was like Canva 458 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 1: graphics that just look awful. And I would just post 459 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 1: like the cover of my podcast with a different title 460 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 1: on it, over and over again. And you know what, 461 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 1: I think, if I'd been too focused on the social 462 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: media appearance or the visibility, I wouldn't have put the 463 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: time and attention and the care into making the long 464 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,880 Speaker 1: form content matter. And I see this all the time 465 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: where people are like, I've launched the Instagram, I've set 466 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: it up, I've got my phones and my posts and 467 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,439 Speaker 1: I'm doing this and it's like, but you're not starting 468 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: in Instagram. You're not starting a brand, You're starting a podcast. 469 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: Like it's a different thing. Focus on perfecting the long 470 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 1: form content first, and then you can get to the decorations. 471 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: Another tip, don't do guest episodes at the beginning unless 472 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: it is the theme of your show. So what I 473 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: mean by that is finding guests for a podcast is 474 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: actually quite difficult, and you want to find people that 475 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: you align with and that interesting and that will bring 476 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 1: you something. I really think that at the beginning, as 477 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: you set the tone and the theme and the idea 478 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: of your podcast, it needs to be you. Your voice 479 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: needs to be the one who comes through. So I 480 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: would say for the first ten episodes, make them solo, 481 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: unless obviously you have like a co host, make it 482 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 1: just you two, and then as you get further along, 483 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 1: you can add in guests when they feel appropriate. And 484 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: this is something that I still do to this day. 485 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: I have guests really sparingly. Obviously, we have like the 486 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 1: Twelve Days of Guests in December, which is just an 487 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: opportunity for me to really just talk to cool people. 488 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 1: Hate to break the hate to break the news, but 489 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: it's entirely selfish. I still feel like guests are really important, 490 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 1: and I love learning from them, But my voice is 491 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: the one that I wanted to come through, and it's 492 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: the one that matters. You know, people, those people who 493 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 1: are guests have their own platforms, and the reason they've 494 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: been able to build their own platforms is because they 495 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,159 Speaker 1: understand that what people are really tuning into is you, 496 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,959 Speaker 1: and is to your voice and your personality and your takes. 497 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: So I know it can be kind of anxiety and 498 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 1: ducing to put yourself in the spotlighted on center stage, 499 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: but it is really important for those beginning moments. I've 500 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: got two more tips here. This one I also think 501 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: is important if you can't already tell I obviously think 502 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 1: all of these are important. Don't compare even one hundred listens. 503 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: One hundred listeners is more people than your brain could 504 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,479 Speaker 1: even imagine. Like I genuinely want you to imagine one 505 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: hundred people right now and give them all distinctive names 506 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: and distinctive faces and professions and remember them all. And 507 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: you can't do it because one hundred people, even fifty people, 508 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: is a whole lot of people. If you put all 509 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: of these people in a line, you would be amazed by, 510 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: like how big that number? Is you know at the beginning, 511 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: you know, small numbers are really mighty. If you're not 512 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 1: an influencer, if you're not a celebrity, it's unlikely that 513 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: someone is gonna people are going to find you from 514 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,919 Speaker 1: your first episode and that you are immediately going to 515 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: have listeners and have a big audience. And that's actually 516 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: good because it means that you can try things out 517 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 1: and that you're not worried about what other people think, 518 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 1: and that at the core of this experience, remember like 519 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: you're doing this for you. What kind of content do 520 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: you want to make? And that's really my final tip. 521 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: Have fun with it. Don't worry or start thinking about 522 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: what other people want to hear. What would you want 523 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: to hear? That is my biggest tip. Actually make what 524 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 1: you would want to hear. That's why I think the 525 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: Psychology of your Twenties has been so successful is because 526 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,360 Speaker 1: I'm making something that I already knew I would tune into, 527 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: and so people who are probably like me would also 528 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 1: tune into it. And wasn't trying to appeal to some 529 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: anonymous amalgamation of a listener. I'm trying to appeal and 530 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: make myself happy. And I think that makes it authentic, 531 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: and it means that hopefully you guys can see that 532 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: when I choose topics and I talk about things, it's 533 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: not like I'm giving you a Wikipedia overview. Like I 534 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: really want to know myself and I really want to 535 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: explore that with you guys. Okay, I'm going to finish 536 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: up with some listener question around how to start podcasting. 537 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: I asked you guys over on Instagram at that psychology 538 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: podcast to send in your burning questions because I feel 539 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: like people don't really talk about the functional parts or 540 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: the practical parts of creative work. And yeah, I wanted 541 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: to give you as the opportunity to just ask whatever 542 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: you wanted. This was our first question. What are the 543 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: overhead costs of starting or producing a podcast? So this 544 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: really ranges. You can keep them minimal or you can 545 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: get really expensive. I typically see it as occurring in 546 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: three tiers. So tier one is the beginner's ideal point. 547 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: It's recording at home on like a cheap thirty dollars 548 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: MIC or on your phone using free audio software, editing 549 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: on garage band, and filming with your iPhone if you 550 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: already have a phone and a computer, which I'm kind 551 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: of assuming you probably do. That means that starting a 552 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: podcast for you is basically free. Then want to choose 553 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: a particular platform that you want to host your podcast on. 554 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: So this isn't like Apple or Spotify or iHeart. Your 555 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: podcast does not live on one platform. It lives on 556 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: your RSS feeds. So you want to choose a hosting 557 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: platform that works best for you. The one I use 558 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: is Omni. I also use Spotify for podcasters or order 559 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: See or really good options, And it basically means that 560 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 1: this is where you upload audio and then it distributes 561 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: out for you. This is where you can see how 562 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: many people are listening. This is where you can even edit, 563 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: or you can add in ads or whatever it is 564 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 1: that you want to do. Choose one that works for 565 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: you for a beginner, I always say Spotify for podcasters. 566 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: The second tier where it gets expensive is if you 567 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 1: hire a studio. I see a lot of people do this. 568 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: I wouldn't recommend unless you've been doing it for at 569 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: least a year, or unless you have you know it's 570 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: for work, or you've already got money behind the podcast, 571 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: because it is incredibly expensive. When I had a studio 572 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: that I was paying for, which I know it was 573 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: like three hundred and twenty five dollars per hour, which 574 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: is I know that it's costly. It's not expensive because 575 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 1: I know that that money is money they do need, 576 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: like the studio. That is the cost of running a studio. 577 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: But for someone who was you know, that was maybe 578 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: year three, Like I didn't have that money and it 579 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: was kind of a waste for me. But that's when 580 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: it can get kind of expensive. Tier three is when 581 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: you make your own home studio. Now this might even 582 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: fall between tier one and tier two. It's kind of 583 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: like a create your own situation. If you want to 584 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: really elevate your podcast, you want to get a good mic, 585 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 1: you want to get a good camera, you want to 586 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: get a good audio software, and you want to get 587 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: a good soundboard. And that's what I have now. So 588 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: I always recommend a road mike or a sure Mike 589 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 1: shu Are those are incredible. Get like a Yamaha plug 590 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: in box that you can plug into your computer. And 591 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: the camera I'm currently recording on is Sony, like a 592 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: V one sovlogging camera. That was all an investment that 593 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: I made, but I think the total for all of 594 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 1: it would have been around two grand. If you see, 595 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: like people like Alex Cooper or Jay Shetty who have 596 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: their own studios, they that would probably end up costing 597 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: around twenty grand. You know, they're building out cameras from 598 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: multiple angles, they're building out mics that stand up, they're 599 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 1: buying furniture. But the best thing about podcasting is that 600 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: it can really range for you. All Right, I feel 601 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,239 Speaker 1: like I spent too much time on that question. But 602 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: the next question is how do you generate episode ideas? 603 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: There's a great question. It's a combination of things that 604 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: I'm experiencing, things that my friends are experiencing, things that 605 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: I'm seeing in the news or online that I'm like, hmm, 606 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: there's probably some interesting psychology behind that, and also episode suggestions. 607 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: So the last episode I did on emotionally immature parents 608 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: that came from a listener. Another episode that I'm doing 609 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: coming up also came from a listener. It's on chronic apologizing. 610 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 1: So that's kind of how I get my episode ideas. 611 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: But I would say the majority of things that I'm 612 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: currently experiencing on questions that I have that I selfishly 613 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: just want to answer for myself, if that makes sense. 614 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: But I find that again what's personal to you is 615 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: what is going to be most informative and interesting to others. 616 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: Question three, How long do you work on one episode? Four? 617 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 1: So typically between five to ten hours, So the longest episodes, 618 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: I find an idea and then I dive into the 619 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 1: research and I'm reading sometimes twenty to thirty forty academic 620 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 1: papers that relate to that, or website entries or watching 621 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: ted talks that relate to it. So that research phase 622 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 1: is normally around five hours in itself for really long episodes. 623 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 1: Then I will write the entire script. So people always 624 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 1: ask me, is the podcast scripted? Yes, it is scripted. 625 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 1: For the most part, I would say around eight twenty 626 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 1: percent of it is stuff that has already written down, 627 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: and then I add my own takes and as I 628 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: go along, or if I have an idea of I've 629 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: forgotten to mention something, I'll add it in. But I 630 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 1: find that having a scripted episode works best for me, 631 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: just because I don't want to give people false information 632 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,320 Speaker 1: and I want to be able to reference certain studies 633 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: and certain concepts as best as I can. The recording 634 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 1: phase for me, I've gotten it really quick, so I 635 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,280 Speaker 1: don't have a producer. I edit it all myself, because 636 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: I'm a bit of a control freak in that way. 637 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,280 Speaker 1: But I record directly into garage band, so I can 638 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: edit as I go along. If I make a bad take, 639 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: if I stumble, I'll just start the recording again from 640 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: where I left off and I can continue. And I 641 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 1: find that's easiest. And then publishing doesn't really take that long. 642 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 1: I normally upload, put in whatever ads I need to, 643 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 1: am required to buy my company, and write the little 644 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: description and then it's out. The other component of it 645 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 1: is then promoting it on social media. That's something that 646 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 1: I now have to do at the level that I'm 647 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 1: at that probably takes around I would say ten to 648 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: fifteen hours per week. If you guys have seen like 649 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 1: my elaborate like Instagram posts that I do of like 650 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: the episode descriptions, like I put a lot of time 651 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 1: and energy into them that I probably shouldn't. So that's 652 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 1: definitely a big part of it nowadays. And then there's 653 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 1: just other little things that come with podcasting that aren't 654 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:27,879 Speaker 1: to do with episodes that you have to do. So 655 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 1: you have to talk to lawyers every now and again 656 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,840 Speaker 1: for I don't know, copyright disputes. You have to record 657 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 1: ad reads, you have to jump on calls with people 658 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 1: who are handling the website or people who are handling 659 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 1: you know, whatever it is, So that also kind of 660 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 1: fills in some of the gaps. And then now that 661 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: I do video and I'm recording on YouTube, that's a 662 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 1: whole other level. So I typically think that in a 663 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: single week, I'd probably spend twenty hours actually writing and 664 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 1: recording episodes, and then the remaining I don't know, fifteen 665 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 1: to twenty hours doing other little jobs and little things 666 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 1: like social media or other things like that. Okay, the 667 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: next question, how do you handle things you want to 668 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 1: share but you know wouldn't make good content. I share 669 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 1: them anyways. You guys will know. I did an episode 670 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 1: about a year ago on my mental breakdown, on when 671 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 1: I had yeah, really terrible, terrible time for a couple 672 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,719 Speaker 1: of months, and it was just awful and I just 673 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 1: it was a really dark, low place. Sorry this has 674 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 1: taken a turn, but yeah, it was really rough. And 675 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 1: when I was going through it, I remember being like, 676 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: do I talk about this? Is this something that I share? 677 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 1: And I remember thinking, no, don't share that. No one's 678 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,399 Speaker 1: going to want to listen to that. That Nah, don't 679 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,479 Speaker 1: do it. It's too personal, it's too private, it's too weird. 680 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 1: People aren't going to trust you anymore if they know 681 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 1: that you're really struggling. And I was like, whose voice 682 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 1: is that? Because that's not my voice. That's that's the 683 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,239 Speaker 1: voice of my inner critic. Is not my voice. It's 684 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 1: someone else's. It's people from high school who believe me. 685 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 1: It's teachers who didn't believe in me. It's ex boyfriends 686 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 1: who are cruel to me. What I want to do 687 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 1: is I want to share. And that episode actually ended 688 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,279 Speaker 1: up being not one of my most popular episodes, but 689 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,840 Speaker 1: definitely one of my most engaged episodes. The amount of 690 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: messages I got from people who were like, I can relate, 691 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 1: I feel seen, that is really what mattered to me. 692 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 1: So I'll just share it. Honestly, I don't There's certain 693 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,480 Speaker 1: things maybe I won't talk about, but the majority of it, Yeah, 694 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 1: I'll just share it, and if people don't like it, 695 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,719 Speaker 1: There'll always be another episode coming out in like the 696 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 1: next three days. The final question I have is what 697 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: is the piece of advice you wish someone had told 698 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,880 Speaker 1: you the day you started. I wish someone had told 699 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 1: me that to do it well, it's a lot of 700 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,279 Speaker 1: hard work, but to just do it, it's not and 701 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,400 Speaker 1: that it is so valuable. And also so to just start. 702 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,800 Speaker 1: It doesn't need to be perfect. You just need to start, 703 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: and you just need to get consistent, and you just 704 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 1: need to do it for the right reason. And remind 705 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 1: yourself why you want to do it. Is it because 706 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,080 Speaker 1: you want you want to time capsule of this time? 707 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 1: Is it because you want a project? Is it because 708 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,239 Speaker 1: you want to forward your career? Is it just because 709 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 1: you really care about something and you want to find 710 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,439 Speaker 1: people who also care about that. Remind yourself of the why. 711 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,040 Speaker 1: It takes time, But it is so rewarding and it's 712 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 1: you get exactly what you give. It like you're going 713 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,680 Speaker 1: to get back every hour, in terms of community, in 714 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 1: terms of a sense of pride, in terms of this 715 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 1: thing that is going to exist out there for as 716 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 1: long as you live and that you can return to, 717 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:49,719 Speaker 1: and which will make you feel accomplished, even if you know, 718 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 1: even if you never get a listener, it will make 719 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,319 Speaker 1: you feel accomplished. So I want to thank you for 720 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,520 Speaker 1: listening to the end of this episode. If you made 721 00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 1: it this far, drop the name of your favorite episode. 722 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,439 Speaker 1: Down below, and if you haven't been listening for that long, 723 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,840 Speaker 1: drop the name of an episode that you want me 724 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 1: to create, and I'll let you know if we've already 725 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,440 Speaker 1: done it, or I'll put it to the list. I'll 726 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,080 Speaker 1: add it to the list of one of two hundred 727 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,319 Speaker 1: plus ideas that we have that we want to make 728 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 1: into into shows and into episodes like this. Thank you 729 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:23,320 Speaker 1: for listening. In general, I just feel so emotional thinking 730 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 1: back on when I started and the times when I 731 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,879 Speaker 1: wanted to quit. You know, there was a period where 732 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,799 Speaker 1: I didn't make an episode for over two months, and 733 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 1: I think that could have been the end, and for 734 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,480 Speaker 1: some reason, I don't know why I came back, and 735 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:41,719 Speaker 1: I'm I just I'm wow. I'm like, oh my god. 736 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 1: I'm just like, thank god I did, Like, oh my goodness. 737 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,839 Speaker 1: I like, I just can't even think about what my 738 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 1: life would be like if I hadn't, if I hadn't 739 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,920 Speaker 1: just been like, no, this is something I want to do, 740 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 1: Like it really changed my life, and I just I 741 00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:02,640 Speaker 1: really don't have the words for what my life is now. 742 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,319 Speaker 1: It's everything I ever wanted when I was a kid, 743 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,880 Speaker 1: and a large well, almost all of it is because 744 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,360 Speaker 1: of the people who tuned in and who shared episodes 745 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 1: and who followed along, and so this episode is really 746 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,480 Speaker 1: for you, and just it's a love letter to you 747 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 1: guys listeners to say thank you, thank you, thank you 748 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:25,879 Speaker 1: so much for listening and for sharing. And oh my god, 749 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:30,480 Speaker 1: I'm getting original, but yeah, it just means my god, 750 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,920 Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm crying. Yeah, just means so much. 751 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:38,239 Speaker 1: And oh my god. And yeah, the fact that like 752 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,719 Speaker 1: now I've written a book, and yeah, I just met 753 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:46,400 Speaker 1: so many beautiful people and it just is I don't know, 754 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,640 Speaker 1: I just never imagined it would be like this. And 755 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,040 Speaker 1: yeah that like twenty one year old who was like 756 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,239 Speaker 1: heartbroken is now a twenty five year old who was 757 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,880 Speaker 1: sitting here and who has a book and who has 758 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 1: two podcasts, and who has friends she never would have met, 759 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,399 Speaker 1: and you know, the partner she never would have met 760 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,879 Speaker 1: if this hadn't happened. So thank you for listening. Oh 761 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 1: my god, I can't put again emotional again, but yeah, 762 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,920 Speaker 1: thank you for listening. And until next time, stay safe, 763 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,399 Speaker 1: be kind, be gentle with yourself. Start that podcast if 764 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,359 Speaker 1: you have the desire, and we will talk very very 765 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:22,640 Speaker 1: soon