1 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to Prognosis. I'm Laura Carlson. It's day three hundred 2 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: since coronavirus was declared a global pandemic. Today's main story 3 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: in the UK, where a fast spreading variant of the 4 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: virus was first detected. The outbreak is raging. The government 5 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: is banking on a strict new lockdown to save the 6 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: health care system from buckling. But first, here's what happened 7 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 1: in virus news today. The United States had its deadliest 8 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: day yet from the pandemic on Thursday. For the first time, 9 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:53,480 Speaker 1: the country exceeded four thousand daily fatalities. It's a number 10 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: that was once unthinkable. The data were compiled by Johns 11 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: Hopkins University and Bloomberg. Around two hundred and seventy seven 12 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: thousand new cases were reported nationally on Thursday. That's among 13 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 1: the highest numbers for the entire pandemic. As states report 14 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: surging cases following the holidays. Hospitalizations also hit a record, 15 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: according to the COVID Tracking Project. A new study shows 16 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 1: that the COVID nineteen vaccine, developed by Faser and bioan Tech, 17 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: may protect against the new fast spreading variants of the coronavirus. 18 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: The study, done by Researchers at the University of Texas 19 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: Medical Branch and supported by the two drug companies, honed 20 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 1: in on a crucial mutation in the virus's spike protein 21 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: that is common to both fast spreading variants. Antibodies in 22 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: the blood of people who had been vaccinated were able 23 00:01:54,840 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: to neutralize a lab created version of the mutant virus. Finally, 24 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: Italy is among several European nations who are tightening up 25 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: restrictions in the face of a surging virus. The government 26 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: will close bars and restaurants as part of the clampdown 27 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 1: in Milan and its surrounding area, as well as for 28 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 1: other regions. Croatia extended similar restrictions until January one. Hungary 29 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: and France have also prolonged virus curbs. Cyprus has tightened restrictions, 30 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,959 Speaker 1: including a requirement for people to send text message when 31 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: they plan to leave home, and Irish businesses closed due 32 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: to coronavirus restrictions should assume they won't reopen before the 33 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: end of March. And now for today's main story. The 34 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 1: United Kingdom's national health system is in danger of breaking 35 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: under the weight of its raging coronavirus outbreak and the 36 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: next few weeks will be its biggest challenge yet. The 37 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: UK is at the epicenter of the European struggle to 38 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: contain COVID nineteen. The death toll is the highest in 39 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: Europe and daily infections are at a record. Medical staff 40 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,239 Speaker 1: say they may be forced to turn people away from 41 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: hospitals if the latest lockdown fails to stop the spread 42 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: quickly enough. I spoke to London based reporter James Payton 43 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: about the fast spreading new virus strain and the next 44 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: crucial weeks for the country's health system. Britain has been 45 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: severely affected by the pandemic. This week it regained its 46 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: place as the worst hit European country in terms of fatalities, 47 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: and I'm just wondering, you know, how are Britain's hospitals 48 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: and health care system holding up with all of this 49 00:03:55,600 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: going on. Yeah, well, it's a pretty bleak picture at 50 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: the moment, and a race against time in many ways 51 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: in Britain, because the virus is surging again, as you know, 52 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: fueled in part by at least in part by this 53 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: new variant of the virus that was detected in the 54 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: UH the country last month. The Mayor of London has 55 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 1: recently described the pathogen as being out of control. Health 56 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: officials said earlier this week that one in fifty people 57 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: in England has COVID nineteen, which is quite a stunning statistic. UH. 58 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: And at the same time, the country is sprinting ahead 59 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: to vaccinate as many people as it possibly can in 60 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: the shortest amount of time to try to alleviate pressure 61 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: on the health system, which is already stretched. You know, 62 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,919 Speaker 1: entered the pandemic UM in a in a difficult position. 63 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: So UM. You know that the health system in the 64 00:04:56,120 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: UK survived the first wave of the Corona virus despite UH, 65 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: you know, significant worries at the time. UM. You know, 66 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 1: the government asked everyone to go the extra mile. UH 67 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: during the first lockdown in the spring. You you may 68 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: recall that people here in Britain stood on their doorsteps 69 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: and applauded health workers every Thursday night. UH. Children painted 70 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: rainbows to stick on the front windows of their homes. 71 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 1: Everyone rallied around UH doctors and UH and nurses. But 72 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 1: you know, this time, the fatigue, I think and the 73 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: frustration is is growing and there's you know, a concern 74 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: as you as you mentioned that the system will be 75 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: able to cope with this latest rise of infections. As 76 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 1: I mentioned, it's you know, it's a system that was 77 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: under pressure for years coming into this crisis, facing a 78 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: nursing shortage of about forty thousand unfilled positions, among a 79 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 1: number of other constraints. So, you know, people across Britain 80 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 1: are seeing all this alarming data and hearing anecdotes of 81 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: hospitals inundated with patients, people spilling out into the corridors. Uh. 82 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: You know, ambulances lining up outside hospitals. UM. And you know, 83 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 1: health workers that I've talked to and some of my 84 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: colleagues have talked to UH tell us that they are exhausted, 85 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 1: they're stressed, unsure if if hospitals will be will be 86 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: able to cope. So the nation is now in its 87 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: third lockdown. As as infections, you know, continue to climb, 88 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: death toll in the UK is now at more than 89 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: seventy eight thousand, that's the highest in Europe. UH and UM, 90 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: the next few weeks are really going to be crucial 91 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: in answering answering those questions. And you know, as you mentioned, 92 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 1: this already stressed system, the NHS, they now have a 93 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: a dual role in some ways to not only continue 94 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: to pre I care for a rising number of COVID 95 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: nineteen patients, but also to carry out a massive public 96 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: health immunization program. I mean, is there a concern that, 97 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: of course the NHS may not have the resources to 98 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: do this, this two pronged responsibility. It's a it's a 99 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: really good question because, as you say, on the one hand, 100 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: the system is dealing with this sharp rise in cases. Uh. 101 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: And then on the other hand, it's being asked to 102 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: carry out a mass immunization program and not just you know, 103 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: vaccinating millions of people. But this is an unprecedented operation. 104 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: It has you know, their production hurdles, logistics issues, public 105 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: education challenges. Uh. You know, we're talking about vaccinating tens 106 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: of millions of people in you know, hopefully you know, 107 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: a matter of months. Uh. So clearly this is just putting, 108 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: you know, even more strain on the system. You know, 109 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: there has there has been a lot of planning in 110 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: recent months up until this point. The UK is relying, 111 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: for instance, on the military. I think it's about five 112 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: thousand members of the armed forces that uh, you know 113 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: have been called on to help, uh, their volunteers. Uh. 114 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: It's a it's a truly you know, massive effort, but 115 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: you know, snags are inevitable. Other countries as well, the US, 116 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: other governments across the European Union now are experiencing some 117 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: of these issues. Um, it's not going to be easy 118 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: and I think it's gonna take it's going to take 119 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: some time. But clearly that is uh, you know, that's 120 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: adding to the pressure. But the UK has is really betting. 121 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,719 Speaker 1: I mean everyone uh is betting on vaccines right now. 122 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: The scene is the exit strategy here globally. But the 123 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: UK has made a really, really big push. They were 124 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: the first country in the Western world to begin rolling 125 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: out vaccines, moving ahead of the US and the European Union. 126 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: Country acquired uh, you know, hundreds of millions of doses uh, 127 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: of several different vaccines in advance, including the fightser BioNTech vaccine, 128 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: the homegrown shot from Astra Zeneca in the University of 129 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: Oxford and and the Madurna vaccine which actually just got 130 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: authorized in the UK. You know, our Bloomberg tracker shows 131 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: I think about one point five million people have been 132 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 1: have been vaccinated thus far. That's more than two percent 133 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: of the population. Uh. So it's it's it's you know, 134 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: the big strides that have been made, but it also 135 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: underscores how this is, how this is a long road. 136 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 1: And as far as you know, the state that Brittain 137 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:40,479 Speaker 1: is in right now, with the rising number of cases, fatalities, etcetera, 138 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: has this at all changed the vaccine rollout process? I mean, 139 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: as you said that it's been quite rapid moving thus far, 140 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: but is there any kind of expectation that this might 141 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: slow down because of this strain on the health care system. Well, 142 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: what's interesting is that the UK is actually in recent 143 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: days has maken has taken a pretty bold step kind 144 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: of going out in the limb a bit in uh 145 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,719 Speaker 1: in altering how it's going to do this. And a 146 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 1: key part of the plan is to UH space out 147 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: the two doses of the first vaccines that have been authorized, 148 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:23,319 Speaker 1: the first two vaccines, to delay the second dose by 149 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: up to twelve weeks. And so the goal here is 150 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: to stretch out supplies to maximize the number of people 151 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: who get some level of protection in the shortest amount 152 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: of time. So the government says the data justify that 153 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: decision and that people get good protection after the first shot, 154 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:45,079 Speaker 1: and the lengthening that interval doesn't weaken the immune response 155 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: after the two dose courses completed. But there are a 156 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: lot of doubts about that, about that policy and what 157 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 1: happens during those twelve weeks, how quickly or not immunity 158 00:10:55,720 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: could wane. US officials and now European Union officials as 159 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 1: well just today have said that the data just don't 160 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 1: support such a decision. And and you know, it's not 161 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: kind of proud into this step to deviate um from 162 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: what was tested in the clinical trials, but it's an 163 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: interesting strategy that's sparked a really lively debate as the 164 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 1: as the urgency grows. So you know, some people have 165 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: have seen this as a bit of a gamble um. 166 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: You know, one person I talked to earlier this week, 167 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: the head of the British Society for Immunology, said that 168 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: the risk of not taking a step like that is 169 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: actually much greater. You know, he said, in a in 170 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: a normal world, we would stick to the plan that was, 171 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: you know, that the dosing that was tested in the 172 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: clinical trials. But he said, you know, uh, we're not 173 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: in a normal world at the moment. You know, things 174 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: have changed and there's there's you know, we're in this 175 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,319 Speaker 1: unprecedented crisis. Uh, so we have to take a different 176 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: strategy basically, So the UK is making change just to 177 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: try to maximize the number of people who are who 178 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: are immunized, and it's it's too early to say how 179 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: that will unfold. Obviously, if it if it works, um, 180 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: you know, the UK could have a significant advantage. And 181 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: if it doesn't, obviously that could leave the country vulnerable. 182 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 1: So we'll just have to wait and see. And as 183 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: far as some of the strategies that the UK has taken, 184 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,199 Speaker 1: I mean, would you say, in your opinion, the most 185 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: recently announced lockdown, um that began I believe earlier this week, 186 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: that is part and parcel of this attempt to try 187 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: and at least mitigate these overwhelming stresses on this health 188 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: care system. Yeah, I mean that's definitely that's definitely true. 189 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: And I think for the for the government, uh, you know, 190 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,439 Speaker 1: we have to remember that going back over the past year, 191 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 1: the last ten months, really the government has been under 192 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: a lot of pressure and there's been a lot of 193 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: criticis is m of the way that the UK has 194 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: has responded. You know, people have said that the country 195 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: hasn't moved swiftly enough or efficiently enough to try to 196 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: get the virus under control. There's been scrutiny and criticism 197 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: of the strategy for testing and contact tracing. People have 198 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: said that the lockdowns have been carried out, you know, 199 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: too late. We're imposing more restrictions this week with vaccines 200 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: this the stakes are immense, right we are talking about, 201 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: you know, for the country and for the government sort 202 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: of an opportunity to uh, to redeem itself and to uh, 203 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: you know, to get control of this virus, to protect 204 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: a significant portion of the population. As you can imagine, UH, 205 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: some people aren't sure the government will be able to deliver. 206 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 1: The government has a strategy of or has a target 207 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: rather of vaccinating about fifteen million people by the middle 208 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: of next month. Obviously very vicious UM. And you know, 209 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: some based on the government's track records, some are doubting 210 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: whether that is is achievable. UM. But clearly there are 211 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: enormous resources going into this effort. We'll just have to 212 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: wait and see, but it's going to be a very 213 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: important and critical uh, several weeks ahead for the country. 214 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: That was James Peyton and that's it for our show 215 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: today for coverage of the outbreak from one bureaus around 216 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: the world. Visit Bloomberg dot com, slash Coronavirus, and if 217 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: you like the show, please leave us a review and 218 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: a rating on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. It's the best 219 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: way to help more listeners find our global reporting. The 220 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: Prognosis Daily edition is produced by Topha foreheads Magnus Henrickson 221 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: and me Laura Carlson. 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