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Speaker 1: With Stu Gotts and Hawkman.

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Speaker 2: I got a direct message Stu Gotts. And there's always requests,

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Speaker 2: you know, a million requests for different show bits and

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Speaker 2: show memories. But this one, Stu Gotts is in Evanston

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Speaker 2: right now. One of his daughters goes to Northwestern. She's

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Speaker 3: Yes, she plays lacrosse for Northwestern, which when she started

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Speaker 3: here it was the Alabama of women's lacrosse and now

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Speaker 1: How about that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would imagine Northwestern's got a good lacrosse program.

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Speaker 1: Huh.

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Speaker 3: Yes, dominant lacrosse program, perhaps the greatest, not perhaps the

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Speaker 3: greatest women's lacrosse program of all time.

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Speaker 2: I mean I would have gone to Northwestern probably if

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Speaker 2: I could have gotten in. That was the top communications school.

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Speaker 2: But I mean I couldn't even I wasn't even allowed

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Speaker 1: It's a beautiful, campustful city. You are not alone. There's

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Speaker 3: There's no way Rachel gets into that school without without lacrosse.

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Speaker 3: And so yeah, she was she was deciding between Syracuse

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Speaker 2: I also when I was I was going into broadcasting.

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Speaker 2: because Northwestern and Syracuse wanted nothing to.

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Speaker 2: Syracuse really, they have very good broadcast schools. I could

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Speaker 2: have gone to Syracuse, but not New House.

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Speaker 2: The only reason I wanted to go to Syracuse was

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Speaker 1: And I didn't get in.

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Speaker 3: YEP, and Northwestern for Medill and you couldn't get into that.

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Speaker 3: And so you have my talents to South Beach, plopped

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Speaker 3: out at Pearson Hall, ordered some de pizza.

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Speaker 1: Had a velvet cream donut or two. Fast forward. However,

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Speaker 1: many years you're still here.

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Speaker 3: A couple of shifts at the local cut at the

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Speaker 3: college radio station.

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Speaker 2: You're not kidding, man, Thursday nights one am to four am.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, that was my shift. Do you have tapes

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Speaker 1: of that? Oh? I do? Can we play one one day? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: If you can get together five hundred thousand dollars from listeners.

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Speaker 2: I will play for you not only my WVUM air checks.

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Speaker 2: I will play for you my first professional job in

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Speaker 2: Belglade WBGF, and I will play for you my stint

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Speaker 2: as a top forty DJ at Star ninety five point

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Speaker 2: five and all Hit ninety five point five WOVV. I mean,

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Speaker 2: but at that's a half million dollar price tag on

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Speaker 3: So you're saying, if we could somehow raise from the audience,

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Speaker 3: me and the audience a half million dollars, we will

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Speaker 3: have access and your permission to play all three of

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Speaker 3: those with you here, right.

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Speaker 2: I think those are embarrassing, no doubt. The most embarrassing

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Speaker 2: tape I own videotape is this God Forsake. And I

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Speaker 2: have a friend of mine who's going through this right

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Speaker 2: now because he's get married. I got married nineteen ninety seven,

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Speaker 2: and you know, you'd hire a photographer a videographer back

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Speaker 2: then it was very different, you know, because they were

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Speaker 2: using tape and whatever. And he's like, oh, this is

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Speaker 2: gonna be before the wedding video. I bet you've done

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Speaker 2: this before the wedding video. This is just going to

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Speaker 2: be shots of you and Lori, my wife, walking on

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Speaker 1: A back natural.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm in a fucking pair of slacks and

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Speaker 1: Who fuck wears that on a beach?

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, and now when I look back on it,

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Speaker 1: Me into this? This? This is like like, like, what

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Speaker 2: I'm on a tire swing in slacks and a button

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Speaker 2: I know we're all we're I know we're dressed for temple.

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Speaker 2: Why don't we hit the park real quick? I'll push

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Speaker 2: the shivers if that videotape comes on one hundred thousand

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Speaker 2: a rewatchable.

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Speaker 1: I will watch that with everyone.

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Speaker 2: We can go over frame by frame what's going through

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Speaker 2: my fucking heads as I because I literally am questioning

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Speaker 2: everything about my life because I'm I've got sand in

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Speaker 1: I'm supposed to look happy.

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Speaker 3: That's so great, right, And they're telling you to act natural,

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Speaker 3: and yet that's the most unnatural thing.

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Speaker 1: The two of you will ever, you'll never do that right.

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Speaker 2: And then it's like, you know, they put this music

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Speaker 1: But who am I fooling?

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Speaker 2: The only people watching it is me and Laurie, Like,

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Speaker 2: oh yeah, because now we've been married almost thirty years, Like,

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Speaker 1: We would get all dressed up and take a walk

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Speaker 1: What fire fuck? What was I talking about?

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Speaker 3: But the guy shooting it was just laughing all the

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, there's probably like it's an extra thousand

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, sign me up, shrink for the bitch entire

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Speaker 2: The fucking worst I think I have it. I'm one

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Speaker 2: I used to listen to Howard Stern and Gary Delabate.

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Speaker 2: Baba Booie had a video tape of him trying to

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Speaker 2: know if you've if you're a big Stern fan, but

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Speaker 2: it was like, you know, right now, my personal life

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Speaker 2: Yes, my professional life's at like a nine, but my

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Speaker 1: I think people pay to hear your radio shows and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll give you. I'll give you all my air

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Speaker 3: Do you have to send it back? We just keep

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Speaker 2: No, it's gonna be in a it's got to be

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Speaker 2: no cameras or phones are allowed. You get to you

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Speaker 1: Why are you making it like a Derek Cheeter party

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden share the tape with the world.

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Speaker 1: You're one of the view that gets to see it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what were you talking about? So I get this

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Speaker 2: on this podcast with Stu gottson Hawkman to my Instagram.

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Speaker 2: It's radio Mark. Hawkman says, there was an episode where

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Speaker 2: you guys did a deep dive into ste Gott's lacrosse records.

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Speaker 2: He's bmos see claims big man on campus, and you

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Speaker 2: found out his teams were terrible yep.

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Speaker 1: And then you had a great.

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Speaker 2: Analogy about being the best English speaking broadcaster in your college.

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Speaker 2: And then we find out you went to school in

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Speaker 2: And I figured since Stugats was in Evanston today at

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Speaker 2: Matt Barkley was going to stay in college an extra year.

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Speaker 3: Dan listen coming from someone who was the BMOC big

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Speaker 1: I'd pay a lot of money to have it back.

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Speaker 1: That acronym, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: How about how about the story?

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Speaker 1: Good about the acronym?

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Speaker 5: How about the story?

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Speaker 6: I mean, I just blew past that.

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Speaker 5: That's just unbelievable.

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Speaker 4: I mean Stecott says, uncommon delusion.

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Speaker 5: That's unbelievable. What college did you go to again?

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Speaker 7: If I called their athletic department right now and said,

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Speaker 7: more successful graduates John Wiener, Yeah he would, they would have, Oh, yes, well,

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Speaker 3: Mean the guy's jersey, the up the mock.

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Speaker 1: Just refer to me as bem on that one.

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Speaker 5: Unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: Now you can hear I love that segment because you

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Speaker 2: can hear I mean Dan and I. Dan As talks about,

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Speaker 2: you know, buzzards starting to circle. Oh, we are buzzards

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Speaker 2: starting to circle right there because we're we're seeing something

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Speaker 3: It's uh, it's funny because before you started working on

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Speaker 3: of you and Dan, it was impossible could get any

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Speaker 3: of this ship through.

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Speaker 1: Man. You guys were always ready to pounce, you know.

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Speaker 1: So now.

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Speaker 2: I think you're trying to get away from this a

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Speaker 2: go well. But now I'm star and to do a

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Speaker 2: little research into your claims.

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Speaker 7: Yes, I went to the Clark University website and Stu

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Speaker 7: Gotts does indeed hold a couple.

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Speaker 3: senior year, our goalie went down with an injury. I

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Speaker 7: That was the only one I saw that's points to

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Speaker 7: You went to Kellogg where is that.

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Speaker 3: No, Honestly, I don't know Mark Clark University, Westers.

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Speaker 1: You see, why do we make that mistake? Clark Kellogg?

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Speaker 3: Of course, of course, of course BMOC at Clark University.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Clark Kellogg, Now here's that. I wasn't even fucking

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Speaker 1: See what's happening here is Stu Gott's is starting to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I've been able to maintain that he was

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Speaker 4: There's a texture keeps sending here because I just asked

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Speaker 1: What the records were of.

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Speaker 4: Those teams that you were allegedly on? Yeah, go ahead,

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Speaker 3: Yes, now understand I may the ultimate team sacrifice there.

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Speaker 3: and we went out on eleven. Yeah, I think it

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Speaker 4: Big man on campus?

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Speaker 3: Well, I was the BMOC but my freshman year, I

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Speaker 3: But I think the record that I got for you,

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Speaker 3: it doesn't an't health the man. But understand, I made

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Speaker 3: the NBA Finals.

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Speaker 6: He did it for a game.

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Speaker 5: I did it for seasons the sacrifice. You were the

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Speaker 3: You know what, let's do this after the show. Let's

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Speaker 4: Me take one hundred mile per hour shots. I knew

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Speaker 5: Even if you did that in a college game.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, my record at goalkeeper couldn't end up being worse

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Speaker 3: All American, though honorable match All American as a sophomore.

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's let's go.

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Speaker 4: Look, Hawk didn't come out here start the show with.

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Speaker 4: I was the big man on campus.

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Speaker 6: I was huge.

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Speaker 1: I was great at lacrosse.

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Speaker 4: And when we were talking about your records, you you

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Speaker 1: The team record. Ultimate team guy didn't mention that he.

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Speaker 3: Was all and eleven left that part out.

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Speaker 4: I don't you think that's a pretty important detail.

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Speaker 1: Now it's all a world win. At this point, my

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Speaker 2: You're in a no man's land here because we still

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Speaker 1: Spoiler alert. He wasn't six and five.

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Speaker 2: He never had a winning record in his collegiate my

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Speaker 1: Still I still maintained that I did. I mean a

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Speaker 4: Guy's writing in that you were eight and thirty four

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Speaker 3: The year before your last year, Da Marino never won

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Speaker 3: it all Still great, God were you in there? Were

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Speaker 3: you indeed eight and thirty four? I don't know the records.

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Speaker 3: I only know I don't know the team records. I

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Speaker 1: All of them.

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Speaker 3: As you've seen on the Clark University website.

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Speaker 1: We have validated it.

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Speaker 3: At least give you that, yes, yeah, I played goalie year.

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Speaker 1: I will give you that.

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Speaker 4: You've been bragging about that for close to a decade.

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Speaker 1: What you've left out.

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Speaker 3: Is that your team, someone had to get the numbers,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was.

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Speaker 5: I have to see it.

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Speaker 7: I have to see a team picture because I have

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Speaker 5: Gonna look like a telethon.

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Speaker 4: I mean it will, it will. You're right, you're gonna

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Speaker 5: I mean, come on, it's a good team.

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Speaker 1: It's a good team.

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Speaker 3: Well, no, it couldn't have been a good freshman year.

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Speaker 3: The year we had Mike Maltese, Kyle Turner, all these

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Speaker 1: That was our back. It wasn't a good team.

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Speaker 4: You can't say a team that was a career record.

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Speaker 7: Well, it sounds like junior and senior year your combined

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Speaker 1: Something like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was a luter in a riot.

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Speaker 2: It's fallowing, Amart, it's falling apart. Here your daughters about

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Speaker 3: Listen, most people in life, you just tell them a

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Speaker 1: They believe it. They move on with their days. But

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Speaker 3: But in that environment, everything is looked up and everything

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Speaker 6: Your senior year, do you wish you just kind of

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Speaker 3: Yes? Yes, yeah, I mean, but I had to make

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: I love that he's got it in stock lines, ready

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Speaker 1: Perhaps it was.

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Speaker 3: A terrible strategy to have your best offensive player be

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Speaker 2: I mean, I believe this next clip is where it

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Speaker 4: I'm not kidding you, Hawk when I say to you

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Speaker 1: This library of lie.

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Speaker 3: WOA.

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Speaker 4: Let me finish what I was saying off air. I

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Speaker 1: And you said pretty might God that is what he said. Here,

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Speaker 4: That's what he said. But why are you only remembering

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Speaker 7: Some fore fits for teams that just didn't have enough flair.

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Speaker 3: Just putting the other three years out of my mind,

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Speaker 3: because he poured through the Clark record to reveal basically

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Speaker 4: He's some up sports great liars georgia' leary with the

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Speaker 1: The resume at Notre Dame. I never lied about that.

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Speaker 1: He's the same guy who's so.

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Speaker 4: Nick Saban, Nick Saban, he killed you did well.

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Speaker 1: You know what?

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Speaker 7: In all honesty he other than him saying flippantly that

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Speaker 1: Was off air.

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Speaker 5: He didn't lie, but he never has painted.

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Speaker 7: Apparently the complete fixture.

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Speaker 1: Will validate my individual complies. Yeah, but if you have

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Speaker 3: Okay, but the validator right, like we finally have some

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Speaker 8: Right, Oh, because that would be like me saying, by

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Speaker 8: the way, in ninety six to ninety eight, I was

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Speaker 3: We were four, We were four and six, that freshman,

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Speaker 4: Four and which which which in hindsight you remember six

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Speaker 1: Some of that? Now, now here's where I'm gonna go do.

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Speaker 1: So your big season was for the Ringing Tribute. If

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Speaker 4: The Fire for the students lacrosse career, the season we'd

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Speaker 3: Now we were four and six freshman year under head

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Speaker 4: So I don't believe anything coming out of her sad details.

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Speaker 1: You lobb at me. The next three years combined, we

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Speaker 3: Well for you, No, that had to be an inside

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Speaker 1: It was Tom Hicks, Alan Good.

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Speaker 3: It had you know Brad Perry, and I mean it

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Speaker 3: had to be one of those who.

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Speaker 1: Was jealous of your skills.

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Speaker 2: Here's the final clip, as we put an end to

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Speaker 2: Stu Gotts's claims of being big man on campus and

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Speaker 2: lacrosse star at Clark Kellogg.

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Speaker 1: This is where it all just unravels.

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Speaker 7: Do you want to redefine your your lacrosse career at all?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 4: No, No, text was Hight he was eight and thirty four.

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Speaker 3: No, not at all, Hawk, because I was top ten

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Speaker 3: in the country and scoring.

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Speaker 1: Born six three and seven. I was an.

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Speaker 3: Honorable mention All American my sophomore year when I was

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Speaker 3: a team player, and eleven that year and on top ten.

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Speaker 3: As you've seen now Hawk, I have top ten in

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Speaker 3: the school. It's scoring points and goals. I'm pretty proud

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Speaker 3: of that.

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Speaker 8: It probably sounds like you like it literally sounds like

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Speaker 8: you were the only abled body person.

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Speaker 4: In eleptil I do, I really do picture a guy

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Speaker 4: with leprosy on the team.

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Speaker 1: A handful of little people.

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Speaker 2: You can't play this weekend his arm fellow.

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Speaker 1: The school is locurdon blue, like the team ed.

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Speaker 4: Do you realize how great a team victured it is?

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Speaker 4: It's two Gods as the monster athlete in five nine.

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Speaker 1: There's definitely a guy in a wheelchair. You know, there's

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Speaker 1: a guy with a peg leg.

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Speaker 7: There's people staring every which way, but at the camera.

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Speaker 1: I've been exposed.

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Speaker 4: He told someone like the team is riddled with learning disability.

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Speaker 1: That's not by the way, God. Also the scholar on

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Speaker 1: that team.

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Speaker 6: This is the same university that.

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Speaker 1: Gave him an English degree. A communication.

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Speaker 5: Anybody that needed a device you would.

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Speaker 6: Go to Steer.

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Speaker 4: To value everything that's ever happened at Lark University.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe the piece of investigative work done, h man.

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Speaker 4: You know in that team picture, there's a guy with

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Speaker 4: a full body cast.

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Speaker 1: One of the guys has his arm and his glinten.

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Speaker 1: It's all the way.

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Speaker 9: To his right totally sorry, ham and blend his body

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Speaker 9: and this is totally parallel to the ground in perpendicular

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Speaker 9: to his body.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps I loved.

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Speaker 5: Some I picture one of the guys wearing one of

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Speaker 5: those one of those head things that.

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Speaker 7: Dog wears to prevent from biting himself.

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Speaker 1: Everyone on the team is going to neck breaks anyway.

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Speaker 2: That was the That was the request from one of

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Speaker 2: the listeners to this podcast. You knew at the beginning

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Speaker 2: of it it was going to end with you yelling

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Speaker 2: out I've been exposed.

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Speaker 3: I mean, eventually you just gotta came in and laugh

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Speaker 3: at yourself and have fun because the beatdown is just

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Speaker 3: too much to take. I mean, but listen, hawk I

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Speaker 3: was the first guy off the bus. I was the

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Speaker 3: last guy to leave. I was a team player. I mean,

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Speaker 3: those are the things I did for Clark University. I'm

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Speaker 3: certain if you go there right now to the Clark

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Speaker 3: University website, I still hold many of the records.

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Speaker 2: I do he is doubling down in the year two

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Speaker 2: thy and twenty six, he is doubling down. I do

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Speaker 2: like that your biggest accolade now continues to be I

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Speaker 2: was at the ultimate team player first off the bus.

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Speaker 1: I mean, oh my god.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, if you want to hear something on the podcast radio,

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Speaker 2: mark Hawkman on Instagram and we will we'll get to it.

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Speaker 1: If you want a.

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Speaker 2: Cameo from me and Stu Gotts, we were at Meisner

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Speaker 2: Park this week recording cameo this week.

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Speaker 1: Last week I thought.

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Speaker 3: We had an emergency cameo. Tod do you were on

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Speaker 3: the road somewhere did I had to.

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Speaker 2: Reach out to the guy because I was in Tampa

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Speaker 2: and you were out of town and we weren't gonna

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Speaker 2: be able to get together. So I had to reach

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Speaker 2: out to him and tell him to rebook it because

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Speaker 2: he had done a twenty four hour cameo and I

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Speaker 2: was stuck on an Amtrak train. I don't even want

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Speaker 2: to get into the story, but I was stuck on

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Speaker 2: an Amtrak train in the middle of nowhere, no power

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Speaker 2: on the train, and just sat there baking in.

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Speaker 1: The sun for four hours.

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Speaker 2: What But that's a story for another time. Okay, if

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Speaker 2: you'd like a cameo, go to Cameo look for Mark

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Speaker 2: Hauckman and Stu Gotts and I we'll do one for you.

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Speaker 2: I did get a text during our recording here from

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Speaker 2: Buddha at dec. Eighty four and Burt Max's yeah, said

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Speaker 2: did you like Do you like the Hurricanes today agency tournament?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Because I don't have to work, said, I don't know

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Speaker 2: if you want to take gambling advice from me. I

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Speaker 2: was all over Myron Gardner the night Bam scored eighty three.

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Speaker 1: I wanted it to end right there, but I know

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Speaker 1: I have to do three nicknames. You got to do

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Speaker 1: three nicknames.

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Speaker 2: Burton max Is, by the way, is a fantastic restaurant

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Speaker 2: in West.

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Speaker 1: Delray Beach and Buddha runs the place.

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Speaker 2: Deck eighty four is a fantastic restaurant on Atlantic Avenue

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Speaker 2: in Delray Beach, right by the intra Coastal. If you're

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Speaker 2: looking good.

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Speaker 1: Fish dip, there's a fantastic yeah uh hawk. Just quickly

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Speaker 1: on the lacrosse stuff.

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Speaker 3: The point I was making about John Stevens and him

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Speaker 3: leaving after my freshman year.

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Speaker 1: We had four wins that year.

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Speaker 3: He was a good coach and they recruited me and

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Speaker 3: I was one of the top recruits in the country,

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Speaker 3: and we were headed in the right direction. And then

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Speaker 3: this guy Stevens who recruits me to Clark Universe City,

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Speaker 3: he leaves and goes to babs It and the guy

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Speaker 3: that replaced him, Jim Cantrill, was a complete Zett.

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Speaker 2: Four and twenty eight, four and twenty eight career record.

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Speaker 3: Stevens was eight and eleven and we lost him. He

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Speaker 3: was like the Jimmy Johnson of Clark University men's lacrosse.

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Speaker 6: I mean, would have been different in today's college sports.

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Speaker 6: You could have went to Babson with him in the portal.

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Speaker 1: I know, true.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we were at a little too a little too

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Speaker 2: far away from that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but Bapson was a little too good. I liked

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Speaker 1: it at Clark where I was the BMOC.

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Speaker 2: You know you still believe in twenty twenty six that

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Speaker 2: your name is in some of the Clark record books

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Speaker 2: for lacrosse.

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Speaker 1: I did, I did somewhere there. But I gotta tell

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Speaker 1: you this, John Toto had a career. I mean.

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Speaker 2: He never end the with Stu Gotson Hawkman podcast until

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Speaker 2: the big Man on Campus can name three athlete nicknames? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Reggie Jackson, mister October very good, Kenny Stabler the Snake.

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Speaker 2: Do I go really difficult here? Or do I punctuate

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Speaker 2: what has been a fun episode?

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Speaker 1: Oh good? How about you really digging deep here? Huh?

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Speaker 2: Because I don't know if I want to continue? And

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Speaker 2: uh oh? How about uh? Adam Jones Adam Jones, Adam Jones.

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Speaker 2: You probably never have heard him as Adam Jones before.

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Speaker 1: Like there's an Aaron Jones.

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Speaker 3: Who is Adam Jones the baseball player, no football player,

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Speaker 3: Adam Jones.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say jonesy.

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Speaker 6: You know him by you know him by his nicknames?

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Speaker 1: You only know him by his name name.

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Speaker 3: So this is the rare one where if he gave

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Speaker 3: me the nickname, I would then get his real name.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you would.

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Speaker 6: Think legal troubles, think video games.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, pac Man Jones can't. Oh my god, I have

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Speaker 2: to start over. I'm gonna have to start over.

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Speaker 1: Oh my what he's on the show all the time,

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Speaker 1: pac Man Jones, you never knew was Adam Jones.

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Speaker 2: But if you hear just the name Adam Jones, no

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Speaker 2: one would make that correlation.

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Speaker 1: No one, right.

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Speaker 6: I thought you meant the Oriole too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, Tim Duncan, big fundamental, very good, Bryant Reeves, big country,

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Speaker 10: Darryl Johnston.

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Speaker 1: Most We'll see you on the next episode with Stu

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Speaker 1: Gotts and Hawkman