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Speaker 1: this Tuesday, Dan and The Dane's Dan Patrick's Show. Well
Speaker 1: here from Michael Wilbon from Pardon the Interruption, He'll join
Speaker 1: us coming up. We criticize Major League Baseball for its
Speaker 1: slow pace of play, but apparently both Baseball and the
Speaker 1: Players Association capable of moving extremely fast when it comes
Speaker 1: to shooting down each other's proposals. Yesterday morning, it came
Speaker 1: out Baseball wanted to play seventy six games players getting
Speaker 1: seventy five percent of their pay. An hour later, we
Speaker 1: find out that the union was thinking more along the
Speaker 1: lines of one hundred percent pay for as many games
Speaker 1: as they can get. So the dance has been going
Speaker 1: on for quite some time, and every time I say
Speaker 1: to myself, I'm not going to engage. Nope, you're not
Speaker 1: going to get me this time around. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to invest. It's fascinating to see the two sides dig
Speaker 1: deeper into their stances at exactly the wrong time. It
Speaker 1: almost feels like a comedy. And that being said, it's
Speaker 1: a whole lot easier to giggle if they figured this
Speaker 1: out in the end, at least a lot more fun baseball. Well,
Speaker 1: nobody's in a hurry, it feels like, but they should
Speaker 1: be because it's no laughing matter, certainly for the loyal fans.
Speaker 1: And yes, we go back and forth on this, it
Speaker 1: feels like we have an arbitrary deadline. Well, if you
Speaker 1: don't come back by this date, you're not going to
Speaker 1: be able to get in next number of games. Remember
Speaker 1: Scott Boris said, why don't we play baseball through Christmas?
Speaker 1: I don't know where Scott was going to play some
Speaker 1: of those games that involved East Coast teams, But he's
Speaker 1: smarter than I am, so maybe he had a better idea. Here,
Speaker 1: you got a window here. Your window of opportunity is
Speaker 1: closing rapidly. Now you might be able to come back,
Speaker 1: but your window of opportunity is closing. From the standpoint
Speaker 1: of fans are eventually going to say, you know what,
Speaker 1: you don't care about us, why should we care about you?
Speaker 1: Here comes football NFL, College football, NBA is going to
Speaker 1: be in the sweet spot. They're going to have their
Speaker 1: playoff games. You got marquee players, big names involved in
Speaker 1: the playoffs in Major League Baseball is going to continue
Speaker 1: to poke and prod each other and we're not making
Speaker 1: any progress. I remain optimistic because of the number of
Speaker 1: people involved in this and the amount of money involved
Speaker 1: in this. Local TV contracts. You know, part of the
Speaker 1: reason why the NBA was pushing to come back and
Speaker 1: play some regular season games is they had to make
Speaker 1: sure that they played the allotted number of games for
Speaker 1: what would be constituted a full season for the local
Speaker 1: TV contracts and their network TV contracts. We're talking about
Speaker 1: four hundred million dollars at stick here. That's what this
Speaker 1: is all about. Now. We can talk about players safety,
Speaker 1: and we should, but this is about money. It's about
Speaker 1: money with the NFL, money with Baseball, money with the NBA.
Speaker 1: That's the bottom line, and maybe baseball finds a window
Speaker 1: where they can get together. It feels like you need
Speaker 1: a mediator here. You need to somebody to say, all right,
Speaker 1: let's get both sides here. What do you want, what
Speaker 1: will you give? What do you want? What will you
Speaker 1: give find some common ground here? You need a marriage
Speaker 1: counselor you need a baseball counselor who can just say,
Speaker 1: can we get this? How do we get this? And
Speaker 1: I know that we love to think that, hey, we'll
Speaker 1: come back because they know the importance of it, and
Speaker 1: you know what's going on in our society, we need
Speaker 1: it more. I don't know if they need it more.
Speaker 1: The owners are saying, we're gonna lose money. Players are saying,
Speaker 1: we're risking our health and we're gonna come back for
Speaker 1: less money. And meanwhile the fans, we're just gonna go, Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll wait and eventually you don't wait anymore and you'll
Speaker 1: move on. And that's unfortunate. But baseball has done this
Speaker 1: to itself. It'sself inflicted. And then you're going to get
Speaker 1: players because the owners are going they want to have
Speaker 1: speed up pace a play, maybe they mike some of
Speaker 1: the players. Players aren't going to do any of that stuff.
Speaker 1: If anything, you're going to get players who will do
Speaker 1: the opposite. They're not going to cooperate pace a play.
Speaker 1: Do you realize what's what you know? When we talked
Speaker 1: to Tom Berducci yesterday, I said who's the team we
Speaker 1: should keep an eye on when when baseball comes back,
Speaker 1: He said, the Tampa Bay Rays because they have the
Speaker 1: deepest pitching steps. So what we're gonna have is pitching
Speaker 1: change after pitching change after pitching change, and probably very
Speaker 1: little offense because it takes offense a little bit longer
Speaker 1: to catch up to pitch it. But that's what's in
Speaker 1: store when they come back. Might not even be a
Speaker 1: good product when they come back. Yeah, boy, I know
Speaker 1: this is impossible that, don't you wish every once in
Speaker 1: a while the commission of a sport have a not
Speaker 1: I guess vital power, but unlimited powers maybe once in
Speaker 1: a while, almost like for the good of the game
Speaker 1: emergency situation where the creature says, we are going to
Speaker 1: play baseball and we're gonna get it done. Like I know,
Speaker 1: because of the players union, you cannot, But doesn't he
Speaker 1: have the power to say you're coming back and playing
Speaker 1: a fifty game schedule? Because this is what I brought
Speaker 1: up the other day. I was told they might come
Speaker 1: back without an agreement because the commissioner can invoke his
Speaker 1: powers or some rule that says you got to come back.
Speaker 1: Yeah mclovin, Yeah, we were going over before the show.
Speaker 1: They reached an agreement in March which opened the door
Speaker 1: for Manfred to mandate whatever schedule he wants. So they
Speaker 1: already signed off in March that Manfred can make an
Speaker 1: emergency Yeah, man date. Yeah, byway. They got a hurry
Speaker 1: because if they go in October, they're gonna push against
Speaker 1: the NFL, and that'd be a rating disaster for Baseball.
Speaker 1: Out of the World Series in October, fill and Indiana
Speaker 1: joins us. So I Phil, what do you have for me? Hey? Dan,
Speaker 1: It's always a great pleasure to speak with you. I
Speaker 1: wanted to comment, do these guys under stand that forty
Speaker 1: million Americans lost their job through this pandemic and then
Speaker 1: those that didn't, probably seventy five percent took a massive
Speaker 1: pay cut, maybe up to fifty percent. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball has a window every year, if only
Speaker 1: mid June through July anyway, and so this would alienate
Speaker 1: fans I think for the rest of their life, including myself,
Speaker 1: I would never come back as if this continues to
Speaker 1: go on and then they hold out. So I just
Speaker 1: wanted to get your thoughts. Thanks as always, Dan, You're man.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Phil I'm sure the players understand, you know, unemployment,
Speaker 1: people who have been affected by this, but then they
Speaker 1: get you know, then it's about the individual and then
Speaker 1: you say, I want to get mine. Hey, if I
Speaker 1: don't do this and stand up for my rights, then
Speaker 1: it's going to affect players down the road. We don't
Speaker 1: want a salary cap. We don't want ownership to have
Speaker 1: control over our salaries any more than they already do.
Speaker 1: And I mean you have to understand they've been going
Speaker 1: addie each other for decades. You can change commissioners, you
Speaker 1: can change the head of the players association. This is
Speaker 1: a sport that has had volatility when it comes to negotiations,
Speaker 1: true volatility, and that's unfortunate. But that's where we are
Speaker 1: and it's not going away anytime soon, even during a pandemic,
Speaker 1: even during unemployment. We talked about this prior to the
Speaker 1: start of the show. Pauli says, I got an idea.
Speaker 1: There's eight teams that are not going to play in Orlando,
Speaker 1: and these teams say, we want to play, we want
Speaker 1: to be able to play. We don't get to go
Speaker 1: into the play in portion of the postseason. They don't
Speaker 1: get to have regular season games and Paul said, well,
Speaker 1: why don't we just have an eighteen tournament and we
Speaker 1: can spread it out over three to five days, and
Speaker 1: the winner of the eight teams that are not in
Speaker 1: the play in portion of this get the number one pick.
Speaker 1: You could have some good matchups there. You get matchups there, Charlotte, Hornet's,
Speaker 1: Golden State, love It, Chicago Bowls, Cleveland Cabs. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is actually like you on a Thursday night in November.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this is a normal night for me, next
Speaker 1: to Wolves, WHOA, Pistons, Hawks, Saucy. Oh. They each play
Speaker 1: one game eight. It's basically three nights right before the
Speaker 1: NBA season starts. Three nights, single elimination winner gets the
Speaker 1: number one pick of the draft. And if you do
Speaker 1: this going forward, you can kind of a curtail tanking.
Speaker 1: I like it. I think I need to change the
Speaker 1: tournament's name though. It's the USI. Yeah, it's very American
Speaker 1: feeling us US I. Yeah, but it stands for you
Speaker 1: sunk invitation. Don't worry about that. I know, but that's
Speaker 1: the problem I gone here. Yes, but if you say
Speaker 1: you're playing in the USA, it doesn't sound so terrible.
Speaker 1: Is there a racing league called the USAC. Yes, they
Speaker 1: got away with it for a long time and that's
Speaker 1: funny as hell. Yes, usak my sack, Yes, mclovin. What's
Speaker 1: the player's motivation here? Like they get paid? Yeah, they
Speaker 1: but do they want to prove Yeah, let's let's play
Speaker 1: really hard so we can get a guy who's gonna
Speaker 1: take my job. Now Here, it feels like the players
Speaker 1: are a funny spot. They're playing for a lottery spot.
Speaker 1: So you would rather not play well and somebody come
Speaker 1: in and take your spot. Or you are going to
Speaker 1: play well and you get the number one. Watch the
Speaker 1: Bulls play because they hate their coach and all one
Speaker 1: out of well they're going to get that season so bad?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah see. Or if you're the one decent player
Speaker 1: on the team with a bunch of scrubs, you're like,
Speaker 1: finally I could get somebody decent. I think it would
Speaker 1: be fun to have these teams at least have a tournament,
Speaker 1: and if you want to have them play in Vegas instead,
Speaker 1: you could, you could do something that would be interesting.
Speaker 1: We're trying to get rid of tanking, all right, and
Speaker 1: how can I get rid of tanking? I always thought
Speaker 1: that if you ended when a team was eliminated from
Speaker 1: the postseason, the number of wins that you accumulated would
Speaker 1: determine the order of the draft. And if you were
Speaker 1: not a good team and you were out early, you
Speaker 1: could start accumulating victories and then you know the order
Speaker 1: of the draft. Because the worst team. How many times
Speaker 1: does the worst team get the best player in the draft,
Speaker 1: the number one overall pick. Pelicans weren't the worst team
Speaker 1: last year. Orlando a few years ago with Anthony Hardaway,
Speaker 1: they had the lowest odds of winning the lottery and
Speaker 1: they got him. Do we have numbers on that? How
Speaker 1: many times does the worst team with the lottery? Because
Speaker 1: you know, because Cleveland tank to get Lebron But it
Speaker 1: was a little bit. It was simpler back then when
Speaker 1: you were tanking. Now with the lottery, Yeah, mclovin, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean a coy. I'm looking at the there's a
Speaker 1: list like right now, the worst team has a fourteen
Speaker 1: percent chance. Before that it was a twenty five percent
Speaker 1: chance until twenty eighteen, and then before that it was
Speaker 1: a sixteen percent chance. So they've lowered it just odds wise,
Speaker 1: it's very You're right, it has been a lot of
Speaker 1: turn over but they only have a fourteen percent chance
Speaker 1: in the lottery. Now. Yeah, but how many times is
Speaker 1: the worst team in the NBA won the lottery. Yeah,
Speaker 1: mcleven's right, past few years, it's been waited. So the
Speaker 1: worst team the Sons in eighteen, the Nets in seventeen,
Speaker 1: the Sixers and sixteen, the Timberwolves in fifteen were all
Speaker 1: the worst team in the league and they got the
Speaker 1: first pick in the draft. If you before that, you
Speaker 1: have to go back to the Orlando Magic in O four.
Speaker 1: So basically there was a ten year run where a
Speaker 1: team that was not the worst team in the league
Speaker 1: record wise got the first pick in the draft, which
Speaker 1: caused the commissioner to change it. Yeah, I just and
Speaker 1: I like that if you know you're at worst guaranteed
Speaker 1: a certain spot in the draft. I like that. If
Speaker 1: you're gonna want to help these teams, I just don't
Speaker 1: want to reward tanking, and we have rewarded tanking. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Your Orlando Magic Dan in ninety nineteen ninety three had
Speaker 1: one ping pong ball out of sixty six. They had
Speaker 1: a one point five percent chance and they won it.
Speaker 1: Got Chris Webber traded for Penny Hardway. End up in
Speaker 1: the NBA Finals two years later. There's a there's a
Speaker 1: few others like that, like you know the New Jersey
Speaker 1: Nets they got Kenyan Martin. They were the seventh worst team.
Speaker 1: The Chicago Bulls were the ninth worst team and got
Speaker 1: Derek Rose. The Clippers got Kyrie Iring. They were the
Speaker 1: eighth worst team. Nate John traded the pick to the Cavs. Yeah, mcclub.
Speaker 1: Do you remember who the Sixers took that year between
Speaker 1: Penny and Chris Webber. You went to interview him in Australia.
Speaker 1: Is it Sean Sean Bradley? Yeah? Oh what did they
Speaker 1: take Penny or or Weber? I don't know, but there
Speaker 1: was this fascination with Sean Bradley was seven to six,
Speaker 1: played at by U and he hadn't He could run
Speaker 1: the floor and he could shoot jumpers. I thought Sean
Speaker 1: Bradley was going to be really good. It didn't work
Speaker 1: out that way. Sean is probably on more posters that
Speaker 1: aren't supposed to feature him than any other player in
Speaker 1: NBA history, because it always felt like when you watch
Speaker 1: somebody dunking and to go out Sean Bradley and they're
Speaker 1: trying to lunk the shoan. I do give Sean Bradley credit.
Speaker 1: He did challenge everybody's dunks and us paid the price. There.
Speaker 1: Maybe you should let me see Stephen St. Louis Johns is.
Speaker 1: Good morning, Steve. What do you have for me today?
Speaker 1: A dance? Six six two sixty? There you go, baby,
Speaker 1: m Hey love your show. Um watch you forever. But
Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure blasting all things University of Missouri
Speaker 1: is a good play. I would compare as a father
Speaker 1: who puts three kids through Missoo and married his wife.
Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, I didn't blast all things Missoo. I
Speaker 1: just blasted their football team. Well, I know, I know
Speaker 1: that the tailgating at Eatri, Kentucky and Dayton and Clayton
Speaker 1: is a excuse me, Cornell is off the charts. But
Speaker 1: have you ever been to a game at the university?
Speaker 1: So why should I go to the game? Why shouldn't
Speaker 1: I just go to the tailgate? Steve? Apparently that's what's
Speaker 1: the most exciting part of this. Well, I don't agree
Speaker 1: with that. Generation My kids would echo that I'm the
Speaker 1: old guy that sits in the seats, that doesn't leave
Speaker 1: even when we're winning. Steve, all I'm pointing out is
Speaker 1: they shouldn't be in the SEC, and they haven't been
Speaker 1: very good and they usually play a new and Eastern game.
Speaker 1: So well, Gary pink Gary Pinko put him in two SEC.
Speaker 1: Back to back champion Gary Pinkoll had a pretty nice run.
Speaker 1: That was only three years ago. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: there was fair point, that's fair, but they should be
Speaker 1: in the Big ten. The Big Ten didn't want Missouri.
Speaker 1: They should be in the Big Ten. I'm just pointing
Speaker 1: out a couple of things here, Steve, you're too close
Speaker 1: to it. Maybe I'm not close enough to it. But
Speaker 1: I didn't say anything about, uh, you know, we were
Speaker 1: gonna go tailgating or anything. I just was talking about
Speaker 1: the football program. And it feels like when they had
Speaker 1: Chase Daniel, that's when you had a team that was
Speaker 1: at least naturally recognized. That's all. Yeah, Paulie Dan, I
Speaker 1: don't know how many times over the years I've told
Speaker 1: you not to rile up the Missouri football fan base
Speaker 1: and you never listen to me. Yeah. Yeah, apparently I
Speaker 1: think I was ripping all things Missouri. According to Steve Yes,
Speaker 1: I see, Well, you've certainly stirred something up because I
Speaker 1: was just for the first time in a long time.
Speaker 1: I just went through our email. Yeah. Um, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna set the over under of angry emails from Missouri
Speaker 1: football fans at two. Okay, what do you have over under?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go under it's under. We got exactly one
Speaker 1: and it said, MISSOI hates Dan Patrick. Oh boy, we
Speaker 1: sure he's ripping the whole school. No, we're just saying
Speaker 1: your football team should be in the Big ten and
Speaker 1: you haven't had you had Drew Locke. That's how we started.
Speaker 1: I started talking about Drew Locke and then you had
Speaker 1: to play at games at noon eastern? So yeah, are
Speaker 1: we forgetting the Blaine Gabbert era. By the way, I
Speaker 1: don't even remember if he played sicily, wasn't he hurt
Speaker 1: for part of it? I don't remember. I have no
Speaker 1: memory of mind. I haven't even moved on from the
Speaker 1: Brad Smith ere. You go. There a Plaine Gabbert Bowl
Speaker 1: game where we all watched him have one big game
Speaker 1: his entire career. That was the only memory anyone out
Speaker 1: of him. You had a memory that never left you
Speaker 1: because I loved you. Fell in love with Blaine Gavert.
Speaker 1: Oh it's shorts at his pro day. He completely passes
Speaker 1: one of the greats. Yes, let's say that sounds like
Speaker 1: the twenty ten Insight Bowls. I think Missouri. I went
Speaker 1: to University of Missouri to visit when I was in college.
Speaker 1: The talent, though, is off the charts. It's sneaky. I'm
Speaker 1: not talking about the school. I just said they should
Speaker 1: be in the Big Ten. Columbia has a lot of
Speaker 1: talent Big ten, and that the football program is has
Speaker 1: not been great. That's all. Yes, we're going did that?
Speaker 1: Do say? I went to Cornell? Oh? Yeah, yet at wrong,
Speaker 1: that's basically. And then he was talking about Eastern Kentucky. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when I went to Eastern Kentucky, they were winning championships
Speaker 1: all the time with Roy Kidd as their head coach.
Speaker 1: For real, Wait are you? Are you insulted because he
Speaker 1: said Cornell? Yeah, Cornell? What am I a hotel major?
Speaker 1: I mean that doesn't even make sense. What am I gonna? Wow? Wow?
Speaker 1: I could give them the Cornell? No, you could. At
Speaker 1: least he did say Penn. I mean that would have
Speaker 1: been night Penn Penn State. And so he gave me
Speaker 1: a shot on Dayton, which won Division three championships. Wait,
Speaker 1: did Eastern Kentucky win national championships in UH not Division
Speaker 1: one but whatever it was one double A back then
Speaker 1: Roy Kidd won three hundred games or something. There's their
Speaker 1: head coach. Why did you go there? You knew you
Speaker 1: were going to be able to throw up shots at
Speaker 1: the school that was successful. Oh, I believe me. It
Speaker 1: was the biggest mistake where I went. I'm not even
Speaker 1: given this. I'm gonna go to a place that doesn't
Speaker 1: want me. That's a great philosophy. Coach doesn't want me.
Speaker 1: That's the place I want to go. And uh and Dayton,
Speaker 1: Now we're not very good in tailgating, but we'll kick
Speaker 1: your assing party in per capita. Wait, will just ask playboy.
Speaker 1: They put us in the Hall of Fame, like they
Speaker 1: got tired of ranking Dayton as a party school. They
Speaker 1: just put us in the Hall of fame per capita.
Speaker 1: There's nobody better. Yeah, pull, there's some party schools in
Speaker 1: this room. If you think about southern Illinois, West Virginia,
Speaker 1: I mean, you may not come back Dayton. Accurate, Dartmouth,
Speaker 1: you may not go back. Dharmouth is sneaky and my
Speaker 1: house space of Dartmouth. And then you have NYU. Sorry, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you were at home with your mom. I was.
Speaker 1: I had a nice head of Thomas poster. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: it could have been killing it in the city. Yes, love,
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest. West Virginia from Seaton stories seem
Speaker 1: I know Daton did in the Hall of Fame in
Speaker 1: southern Illinois, but West Virginia does seem a little next level.
Speaker 1: They write, I feel like every school has a Playboy
Speaker 1: story about being on the list. But the year that
Speaker 1: I was there, they I forget what. I think, like
Speaker 1: Delaware or somebody are like Rhode Island was number one,
Speaker 1: but there was an asterisk next to it, and when
Speaker 1: you went down to the bottom, it said, sorry, West Virginia,
Speaker 1: we don't include professionals. I don't doubt that. I don't
Speaker 1: doubt that at all. I just know Dayton per capita
Speaker 1: it was. That was a festive place, a festive place
Speaker 1: I went to a party in my college education broke out.
Speaker 1: That was basically it. It's like, oh, oh, I got
Speaker 1: to go to class now. Now I'm going to hear
Speaker 1: from Missouri fans this is it. The local talk shows
Speaker 1: are going to be all over this. Dan Patrick slams
Speaker 1: missou No, no, once again, I don't want you in
Speaker 1: the SEC. You don't belong there, and I'd like to
Speaker 1: have you in the Big ten. You might actually be
Speaker 1: a real contender in the Big ten. That would be
Speaker 1: nice and be nice if you know the team didn't
Speaker 1: play noon Eastern games, because I'm watching those games. I
Speaker 1: don't know how many other people are. And that's not
Speaker 1: your choice. Well, it is your choice. If you're better,
Speaker 1: you're probably not doing a Neon Eastern game. Michael Wilbon
Speaker 1: will join us. He's used to riling people up. He
Speaker 1: went to Northwestern. It's Northwestern apart school. Oh no, not
Speaker 1: not reputation wise. You guys are going to go through
Speaker 1: this with your your children, and Fritzie's going through it now.
Speaker 1: Where you look at all these schools for your kids,
Speaker 1: and then you'll always hear on it's party school. Every
Speaker 1: school that my kids looked at, Ah, it's party school.
Speaker 1: And I went, not every school is a party There
Speaker 1: are degrees, varying degrees of partying. But it's a party school.
Speaker 1: I said, well, you know where is not a party school? Here?
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Speaker 1: of Northwestern. Is Northwestern a party school, Michael? No, not
Speaker 1: in the way we think of party school and you're
Speaker 1: going back to for those of us at a certain age,
Speaker 1: you would follow the Playboy magazine party school list decade
Speaker 1: after decade. No, I mean, and we know how to
Speaker 1: find a good time or have a good time. But
Speaker 1: party school and the way that I could think of
Speaker 1: other party schools. No, if I gave you a du
Speaker 1: love it, I wouldn't made it in for a time
Speaker 1: at any party school. But party I wouldn't call the place. Okay,
Speaker 1: if I gave you a d over and you could
Speaker 1: go to a party school, but you have to pick
Speaker 1: a school. Well, I'm right now as I sit about
Speaker 1: twenty five minutes from Tempe, Arizona at Arizona State University,
Speaker 1: that it's a card carrying member of party school Brigade.
Speaker 1: So I think I think i'd be a sun devil. Dan,
Speaker 1: they're up there on the Mount Rushmore. It feels like
Speaker 1: a party school, all right. I was watching you and
Speaker 1: Tony yesterday and the topic of Major League Baseball came
Speaker 1: up and I could just and Tony said, it's Groundhog's
Speaker 1: Day here, like you have to talk about it, but
Speaker 1: there's nothing to talk about here. And I keep saying
Speaker 1: to my audience, I hate doing this to you, but
Speaker 1: I feel obligated to at least touch on it every
Speaker 1: single day. I just can't advance it. That's right, And Dan,
Speaker 1: as you know, this isn't the first time I mean,
Speaker 1: baseball threatens to blow itself up every few years when
Speaker 1: there's a labor negotiation, and they've done it once, they've
Speaker 1: done it more than once. But in nineteen ninety four,
Speaker 1: of course, is the year they actually did and just
Speaker 1: just just blew up not just a season, but a
Speaker 1: tremendous season, a season that was shaping up. I guests
Speaker 1: as late as August to be one of the great seasons,
Speaker 1: one of the great summers in baseball history. They've done it,
Speaker 1: and so they'll do it, and I guess I don't know.
Speaker 1: Thirty percent of me thinks they won't do it this time.
Speaker 1: They can't do it this time. It would be nothing
Speaker 1: is unforgivable in the world because or a few things
Speaker 1: are because of the shelf life, and people forgive, and
Speaker 1: they even if they don't forget, they come back to you.
Speaker 1: But Dan and I keep thinking, Okay, they'll get it
Speaker 1: done because they realize the consequences of not getting it
Speaker 1: done this summer. But seventy percent of me is now thinking,
Speaker 1: you know what, these sides are hateful enough of each
Speaker 1: other in this context of labor negotiation that they will
Speaker 1: do it. They'll do it again, and so I'm well,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. What will you do?
Speaker 1: What do you think would give me? Give me your odds?
Speaker 1: Now a baseball actually having a season versus note. I
Speaker 1: talked to a smart guy yesterday and a TV executive,
Speaker 1: and he said, don't get caught up. You know, you
Speaker 1: gotta see it's like the trees in the forest here.
Speaker 1: And he said, don't get caught up in that that
Speaker 1: there's too much money. They'll eventually get something. It might
Speaker 1: not resemble what you think of baseball season is, but
Speaker 1: they will put a product out there. They understand the stakes.
Speaker 1: The owners know, you know what the gray area is.
Speaker 1: The player association knows the gray area. You have to
Speaker 1: clean that up a little bit in the margins, and
Speaker 1: they'll eventually play baseball. And I go, all right, he goes,
Speaker 1: don't quote me, but they're gonna play. They're gonna play baseball.
Speaker 1: A couple of things here. I know that ESPN shies
Speaker 1: away from talking politics. We get caught up in this.
Speaker 1: Stick to sports. A couple of years ago with the
Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernick the anthem, and you probably got a memo
Speaker 1: or there was an edict of let's talk sports here.
Speaker 1: Now we come back around to this with George Floyd
Speaker 1: with what happened and then the fallout here with all
Speaker 1: of the players involved in this, Like, how do you
Speaker 1: not incorporate this in the rundown on pardon the interruption
Speaker 1: every day? Or do you get any pushback on that? No,
Speaker 1: we haven't had any pushback, and you know we will
Speaker 1: have to know. I don't read those memos anyway. I mean,
Speaker 1: are you right? I'm sure they go out I pay,
Speaker 1: I pay zero attention. And you know that this is
Speaker 1: what people are talking about in the world, from your
Speaker 1: household to anywhere people gather, even if they don't want to,
Speaker 1: even if it's a whisper, even if there are pockets
Speaker 1: of people who don't want to deal with it. To
Speaker 1: not deal with what is clearly an emotional topic which
Speaker 1: affects sports effects sports is going to effects ports. Wait
Speaker 1: till we get to the NFL season and like a
Speaker 1: third of the people, players are kneeling, or you know,
Speaker 1: you may get coaches, or you may get anyway. The
Speaker 1: Roger Goodell has sounded lately, it wouldn't shock anybody if
Speaker 1: he took a knee to start a game. We get
Speaker 1: to September and so this is this is it's it's
Speaker 1: the story, one of the stories of our lives. We're
Speaker 1: gonna look back at twenty twenty and even in a pandemic,
Speaker 1: and maybe even partly because of the pandemic, we're going
Speaker 1: to have it. You can't write the history of this year.
Speaker 1: You may not be able to write the history of
Speaker 1: a chunk of years here without dealing with this entire topic,
Speaker 1: which of course is specificated by the murder of George Floyd.
Speaker 1: What if we just didn't have the anthem and you
Speaker 1: allow the players to go to the middle of the
Speaker 1: field take a knee to start the game. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just we didn't use to show this,
Speaker 1: but I'm just thinking out loud of how do we
Speaker 1: do something that allows the players to have their moment
Speaker 1: and then we don't upset people who who look at
Speaker 1: this differently than what we may look at this that
Speaker 1: you know what, when I first heard that suggestion, I
Speaker 1: was like, no, no, you can't start these games up
Speaker 1: without the anthem. And I thought you could, But okay,
Speaker 1: how about this? And I wish I knew where I
Speaker 1: read this over the weekend, what about a minute after
Speaker 1: the anthem that allows people to do whatever they want.
Speaker 1: You can hold up a sign to do whatever you
Speaker 1: want in the minute after, and I thought, I'm kind
Speaker 1: I wish I could, I should be able to contribute that,
Speaker 1: but I just thought, you know what, which is sort
Speaker 1: of a take a slightly different one off what that
Speaker 1: other suggestion is about not having it um and you
Speaker 1: know how you move off positions, Like one of the
Speaker 1: one of the favorite things in my life, Dad, in
Speaker 1: my life is going to a Blackhawks game, Chicago Blackhawks
Speaker 1: game and hearing the playing of the anthem and a
Speaker 1: gentleman named Jim Cornellison singing the anthem and the standing ovation,
Speaker 1: the passionate deep pat you know, guttural applause and stomping
Speaker 1: for the for the, for the for the Star Spangled
Speaker 1: banner before every home black Hawks game. It's one of
Speaker 1: the great joys I have. Like if I get to
Speaker 1: do a black Hawks game and if somebody's meeting me,
Speaker 1: I said, you mentioned you get their twenty minutes earlier.
Speaker 1: There's none of there's Los Angeles. Oh there's traffic. I'm
Speaker 1: just getting to my seat after the puck drops. We're
Speaker 1: not doing that, and so I you know, but you
Speaker 1: get conditions and sometimes move you off positions. I might
Speaker 1: move you off your original spot. And so it's not
Speaker 1: my favorite suggestion, Dan, but you know what, we're all
Speaker 1: having to consider new things, new positions, new ways of
Speaker 1: doing things that will accommodate the group. And wow, I
Speaker 1: don't want to go there, but I'm not gonna sit
Speaker 1: here and say, oh, I think that's insane and should
Speaker 1: not be considered, because I think we've got to consider
Speaker 1: a lot of things. Now. He's Michael will Bonnie ESPN's
Speaker 1: part in the interruption. What role does Colin Kaepernick play
Speaker 1: in Colin Kaepernick maybe coming back to play? It feels
Speaker 1: like everybody's talking for Colin Kaepernick. Where's Colin Kaepernick? You know,
Speaker 1: it's been suggested, not in twenty sixteen, seventeen, or eighteen,
Speaker 1: but it's certainly been suggested in the last few years
Speaker 1: that Colin Kaepernick isn't interested in playing, that he's good
Speaker 1: now with this. And I don't want to be too
Speaker 1: centicle because I don't I haven't believed that. I thought
Speaker 1: what the NFL did last year with that sort of
Speaker 1: comed by a fake combine situation was just fraudulent on
Speaker 1: every level. But I don't know Kaepernick well enough dance,
Speaker 1: and I can't sit here and say, oh wait, I
Speaker 1: talk to people who know him and he absolutely wants
Speaker 1: to play. I don't know Kaepernick got well does he
Speaker 1: want to play? And so it seems to me now
Speaker 1: he might have a real opportunity, not not that fake,
Speaker 1: fraudulent opportunity from a year ago. But dan have we
Speaker 1: How many owners have we heard from? Its unbelievable. We've
Speaker 1: heard from everyone in the last eight to ten days. Everybody.
Speaker 1: We've hearn from people. You know, we all put the
Speaker 1: game dinner alive. You know the name of celebrity, we've
Speaker 1: heard from that person, whether it's on Instagram or statement
Speaker 1: or you know who knows a TMZ microphone. We've heard
Speaker 1: from everyone. What NFL owner have we heard from? We
Speaker 1: certainly haven't heard from Jerry Jones, Like, so, how resentful
Speaker 1: are the NFL owners gonna be of all of this?
Speaker 1: Including the guy who serves then you know, Roger Goodell
Speaker 1: how up said they gonna be a Goodell. We're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about four to eight NFL owners who are okay
Speaker 1: with this? Are we're gonna talk about fifteen, eighteen, twenty,
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones gonna stand in this position and you can't
Speaker 1: work for me and take a knee. I think all
Speaker 1: of this, I mean, we haven't even seen the real
Speaker 1: controversy of the NFL yet, presuming there's a season, we're
Speaker 1: gonna see it. But I think the Kaepernick question boils
Speaker 1: down too. You know, everybody says, well, Tony says this
Speaker 1: is this is the time we're going to see change,
Speaker 1: and he likens it to win. He was, you know,
Speaker 1: a young man in his twenties and we were coming
Speaker 1: through the late sixties and early seventies and what we
Speaker 1: saw in the country. I'm not that optimistic. And part
Speaker 1: of the reason is I don't know what we're going
Speaker 1: to see from NFL I unders and sort of their
Speaker 1: attitudes about whether or not there's going to be changed
Speaker 1: in that culture. But also with Kaepernick, it feels like
Speaker 1: this is the quarterbacking, the black quarterback version of the
Speaker 1: Rooney rule, like hey, we're gonna bring in and it
Speaker 1: feels like tokenism. It just doesn't feel real that like
Speaker 1: what has changed other than Kaepernick has gotten older. Now
Speaker 1: he gets a chance because why because you feel bad
Speaker 1: because you blackballed him. And if I'm Kaepernick, I go, Nope,
Speaker 1: I'm not letting you off that easy here. Well, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I completely agree with everything you said. You know what again,
Speaker 1: part of it goes back to again, I don't want
Speaker 1: to be too cynical about this because I think this
Speaker 1: is obviously this is such a sensitive issue just Kaepernick,
Speaker 1: like being perceived as a martyr, Like what's what what's
Speaker 1: his agenda? How much money did he get from the
Speaker 1: NFL and what what were the terms of that? Like
Speaker 1: I truly believe you know, the piece Howard Bryant have
Speaker 1: an ESPN dot com this weekend, which I thought was
Speaker 1: a brilliant piece, talked about Goodell not mentioned in Kaepernick's name.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that agreement included. Like it's part
Speaker 1: of me given it, given that the commissioner just completely
Speaker 1: gave it up, right for that group of players who
Speaker 1: was in that video last week late last week, the
Speaker 1: not mentioning of Kaepernick's name seems to have an agenda,
Speaker 1: Like what else is in there? What did he what
Speaker 1: did he in the Kaepernick or the league in Kaepernick
Speaker 1: to greet you? That? We don't know, because you remember,
Speaker 1: do we know the financial terms? We don't even know
Speaker 1: that right, Like, we don't know how much money he
Speaker 1: got from that. I was told that it was nowhere
Speaker 1: near what was reported. It was probably around five million dollars.
Speaker 1: That people were estimating it was fifty million. I was
Speaker 1: told it was five million for Kaepernick. Yeah, I was.
Speaker 1: Maybe I was towards your end of it. I'm thinking
Speaker 1: like ten, but not. But the notion that it was
Speaker 1: twenty or more, it just seemed to me to be
Speaker 1: unnfl like unless they prove, I mean, unless they perceived
Speaker 1: something else was coming that they wanted to sidestep, like
Speaker 1: and including discovery. But man, the Kaepernick issue is you
Speaker 1: know Dan and in some ways, look this guy. I
Speaker 1: don't want to turn him into John Carlos and Tommy
Speaker 1: Smith because I don't believe he was that. The suffering
Speaker 1: is on a different scale, the sacrifices on different scale.
Speaker 1: But he had the guts. He had the guts to
Speaker 1: do this, and it needs to have lost me personally
Speaker 1: when he said I didn't vote. People died for the
Speaker 1: right to vote, and he said I didn't vote. And
Speaker 1: this is the most fundamental exercise we have in a democracy,
Speaker 1: even more so or as much as the right to
Speaker 1: free speech and protests and assembly and so, but I
Speaker 1: go back to he had the guts to do this.
Speaker 1: He was a fine player. If anybody wants to look
Speaker 1: around the NFL and tell me Kaepernick's not better than
Speaker 1: like twenty eight of the backups and probably fifteen of
Speaker 1: the starters. I mean, I live in a city I
Speaker 1: roote fourteen that hasn't had a quarterback as good as
Speaker 1: Kaepernick since you know Jim McMahon. So like, I don't
Speaker 1: want to hear that Colin Kaepernick can't play in the NFL,
Speaker 1: because that's just an insult and a lie. Does he
Speaker 1: want to? Does he want to? And is some are
Speaker 1: several somebody's going to create what we call a market
Speaker 1: to see if that happens. I got my gats Mike
Speaker 1: Gold to talk to him. My best to Tony, and
Speaker 1: hopefully we'll get a chance to cross the palace here soon.
Speaker 1: Dan would love that man. Thanks for having appreciate It's
Speaker 1: Michael Wilbon, Hall of Famer. If you look back on
Speaker 1: Kaepernick's last year that he played sixteen touchdowns, I believe
Speaker 1: four interceptions, he rushed for two touchdowns, and he rushed
Speaker 1: for almost five hundred yards. Those aren't pedestrian numbers. Those
Speaker 1: are actually quality numbers. I don't know if he gets
Speaker 1: a chance, but I think the bigger question is does
Speaker 1: he want a chance? I think his place in history
Speaker 1: is firmly cemented. If you come back, you're back up,
Speaker 1: or you come back and maybe you don't play well.
Speaker 1: I feel like he runs the risk of things. But
Speaker 1: I would like to hear from Kaepernick. It feels like
Speaker 1: everybody else is talking on his behalf. I would just
Speaker 1: like for him to tell us. I mean, you don't
Speaker 1: have to be a mystery. Do you want to play great?
Speaker 1: If you don't want to play, you don't think you'll
Speaker 1: get a true opportunity. Okay, fine, But I think he
Speaker 1: owes that to all the people who are speaking for him,
Speaker 1: that maybe we need to hear his voice too. Take
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Speaker 1: got this email. Dan First, it's green Day and now
Speaker 1: Missouri football stay in your lane. Yeah, but eighty percent
Speaker 1: of Missouri fans agree with you. Larry Well, thank you
Speaker 1: Mark who sent that in. Mike and Florida joins us. Hi, Mike,
Speaker 1: what do you have for him? In your day? I
Speaker 1: went to school at James Madison back in the eighties.
Speaker 1: We'd like to fancy ourselves as a big party school.
Speaker 1: Then it took a road trip with my roommate up
Speaker 1: to wester attending to see his buddy put me to shame.
Speaker 1: Three to four days consume more than I ever had
Speaker 1: in my life. Went to a football game WU versus Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: got caught in the middle of a massive CUPI got
Speaker 1: Pelton in the head hundreds of times as everyone was
Speaker 1: cheering their war chat let's go drakes of beers, Thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you. Mike Seton now remembers those moments, It sounds
Speaker 1: pretty accurate. Ohio University used to be a party school.
Speaker 1: I went there for Halloween and it's it was crazy
Speaker 1: and one of the bars burnt down and it didn't
Speaker 1: seem like anybody was that concerned that one of the bars,
Speaker 1: like I don't know it was called cat Lounge or
Speaker 1: something like that. I just remember I said the bar's
Speaker 1: on fire, and the people are like, oh yeah, man,
Speaker 1: all right, David and New York joineses hy, David, what
Speaker 1: do you have for me? Oh Dan, listen, Your foray
Speaker 1: into the topic of party schools really touched a nerve
Speaker 1: with me. And I'll tell you why. I graduated in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three from a school that was rated number
Speaker 1: three hundred in the Playboy pool. I'm wondering if Pauli
Speaker 1: is an SIU guy. This may ring any bells. Students
Speaker 1: walked around wearing t shirts that said where fun goes
Speaker 1: to die? Um and then I'll throw this in and
Speaker 1: you'll get it now, Dan, home of the first Heisman
Speaker 1: Trophy winner Jay Berwang or University of Chicago correct? Correct,
Speaker 1: the same team that after Michigan beat the University of Chicago,
Speaker 1: they wrote Hail to the victors, and also, I believe
Speaker 1: the only team undefeated fourgo against Notre Dame. So thank you, David.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's I don't need any more information on
Speaker 1: the University of Chicago, somebody else stealing Pauli's this history
Speaker 1: segment that one her a little bit, hag and her
Speaker 1: a little bit there, Pauli, this Dan sports history all done.
Speaker 1: Don't have anything today, Dan, David and Odds got eight
Speaker 1: of them, got a couple. David Eijacker man, I feel bad.
Speaker 1: This is like when you started wearing glasses and mclovin
Speaker 1: got mad at you because he said, no, that's my
Speaker 1: that's my thing. So Paulie is blind. He is, he
Speaker 1: is legally blind in one eye, and you're saying you
Speaker 1: can't wear glasses on the show. Mcleov Yes, I like
Speaker 1: how you said it's a bit, but they were definitely
Speaker 1: clear glasses the first couple of years. He wore, you
Speaker 1: may have a point there. I have scription in the
Speaker 1: right eye, nothing to the left. It's done. I actually
Speaker 1: question why don't you wear a patch? I had a
Speaker 1: patch hold on. I question pirates patch. I question your
Speaker 1: glasses day until I look through them once. Oh yeah, god, yeah,
Speaker 1: are the real deal? Yeah yeah, my my eyes are bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah see, I'm not considering joining the movement. Maybe this year.
Speaker 1: I noticed that, especially in the morning. I gotta kind
Speaker 1: of blink a lot more to read things, kind of
Speaker 1: like what's going on there? Todd your eyes? So it's good, right,
Speaker 1: it's good, but it's definitely fading. I'm experiencing the same
Speaker 1: things that seems experiencing in my last eye exam. They
Speaker 1: said I should get those cheaters, like those little magnifying glasses,
Speaker 1: which is gonna eventually turn into in the very near future,
Speaker 1: by the way, foglasses. What do you got on your
Speaker 1: T shirt? Snugger L when we all know at least
Speaker 1: an XL. Yeah, the Tom shirt that we left so much.
Speaker 1: Yeah that if that T shirt can make a noise,
Speaker 1: you'd probably be ah, yeah, that's fine. But your guns
Speaker 1: are blazing man. Yeah, but if unless you have the
Speaker 1: whole package, I don't know. I was questioning whether to
Speaker 1: go out in public with it. I think it looks good.
Speaker 1: Fifteen pounds lighter, and then now you talk and I
Speaker 1: could walk around with a little But it's supposed to
Speaker 1: say Tom on the front. Okay, what does it say?
Speaker 1: But I can only see the T and the O
Speaker 1: in a little bit of the M. So the M
Speaker 1: is around all right, it's a little stretched out. The
Speaker 1: M goes back around your back. It's being stretched out.
Speaker 1: I was I was searching in the box back there
Speaker 1: for Xcel and it was all largers that. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wear it anymore. Yes, this is a very
Speaker 1: Frizzy esque reference. Reminds being Jim Burt the nose tackle
Speaker 1: for the New York Giants. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the six
Speaker 1: and the oh you got your patch on? Ah it
Speaker 1: feels good. I like it looks good. That's see. That
Speaker 1: could be your your thing. I know, you could be
Speaker 1: the patch. I get so much more sympathy from people
Speaker 1: if I had a patch. Yes, mcloving gets to wears
Speaker 1: glasses and then we get Fritzie with tight T shirts
Speaker 1: and you have a patch. I think that's good. Yeah.
Speaker 1: L not happy about Seaton's going with the glasses that
Speaker 1: it's because he's gonna have cool stylish. You're always going
Speaker 1: to be the Ivy League guy like you always get there.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be. I want to be the
Speaker 1: New York guy. Would you rather do you wish you
Speaker 1: didn't go to an IVY League school? I don't really
Speaker 1: care one way or the other about that, Okay, but
Speaker 1: I definitely want to be like the glass that's such
Speaker 1: an Ivy League school. It doesn't really matter. But I
Speaker 1: am thinking of a glass change up by the way,
Speaker 1: the new trend, and I see it everywhere in Brooklyn.
Speaker 1: Clear glasses, the clear frames. All right, no, no, no no no,
Speaker 1: I mean, if it's happening in Brooklyn, it ain't happening
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