WEBVTT - Black Music Month QLS Classic: Stokley 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:04.240 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:07.120 episode was produced by the team at Pandora. 0:00:09.600 --> 0:00:12.959 What up, y'all is Laiyah from teen Supreme? Okay, So 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:16.160 it's June, and you know in his Black Music Month. Now, 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:18.920 this month and its cause was started by my godmother, 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:22.160 Dianna Williams, the legendary Kenny Gamble, and the great and 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:25.680 right back in nineteen seventy nine after being invited to 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:28.800 the White House along with the Black Music Association. Now, 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:32.080 the Black Music Association was a group of black folks 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:33.279 that were the best of the best. 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:33.800 Of the music industry. 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:37.200 I'm talking record execs, I'm talking radio people, I'm talking artists. 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:40.960 I'm talking to everybody from Clarence Avon and Frankie Crocker 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:43.440 to Percy Sutton, everybody in the middle right. So they 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:45.560 all get invited to this big party on the White 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:48.600 House lawn June seventh, nineteen seventy nine. And before the 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:53.760 performances started, President Carter said many things addressing and reminding 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:56.600 people of the importance of Black Music Month, and one 0:00:56.600 --> 0:01:00.320 of the things he said was end quote in many ways, 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:02.960 the feelings of our own black citizens throughout the history 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:06.080 of our country has been accurately expressed in the music, 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:08.680 and it presents a kind of history of our nation 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:11.319 when you go back and see the evolution of black 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:15.119 music word. So, we've spoken a lot about Black Music 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:18.280 Month on Questlove Supreme and this June we are running 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:22.520 a different episode from the QLs archives every single day 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:27.920 in the name, spirit and Cause of Black Music Month. Today, 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:31.720 we are re releasing an interview with one of my faves. 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:35.920 I'm talking about Stokely now known as Rick James. Do 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:39.440 your thing from men Condition. This is a dope interview, y'all. 0:01:50.040 --> 0:02:00.280 Sun Supra le sub subra role called subprema so bree 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:01.040 my roll. 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:10.160 Something something sure, yeah, shank, Yeah, Now what coming man 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:10.519 would I be? 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:11.040 Yeah? 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:12.720 If I this on blank. 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:22.200 Roll hanging Wow, my name is Fante. 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:24.200 Yeah, y'all know how we go? 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:31.400 Yeah, my favorite men in the lou Yeah, asturanto something 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:33.640 Supremo s. 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:40.839 Ro call. My name is Sugar. Yeah, No need to squint, Yeah, 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:42.079 because my condition. 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:43.920 Yeah, I need a man. 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:48.840 Something roll. 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:56.120 Roll paid bill. Yeah, and I'm telling truth. 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:56.839 Yeah. 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:59.840 When you model your bathroom? Yeah, No, news is good, 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:06.760 come Supremo. 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:08.399 Roll. 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:12.680 I'm a little reluctant. Yeah, to make this confession. Yeah, 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:21.639 but make condition. Yeah, made a bad first impression. It's 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:23.120 all your now now. 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:29.480 It's like yeah and it's no surprise. Yeah my first 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:32.160 slow crime. Yeah it's pretty brown eyes. 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:44.720 Sup Come, my name is Stokely. Yeah, some might know me. Yeah, 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:47.760 I play a little bit of Yeah tat t. 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:56.680 T ll come Supremo, Supreme roll. 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:14.800 Some up roll sire. This is gonna be a good episode. Lad, 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:21.000 welcome to Quest Team. Say hello, Hey, anyway, the god 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:29.560 Stokely is here with us. That'sition your musicians, musicians, musicians 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:35.920 favorite singer. I once watched D'Angelo almost get into a 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:44.880 argument for him, like for for him choosing Stokely as 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:47.920 one of his favorite singers. Like it was one of 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:53.960 those minds where like usually any arguments had to near 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:57.840 pugilistic levels. Is always over like songs or albums or 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:02.120 this album is better than Puturely. But yeah, it's that's 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:05.080 That's what I knew when when he went that hard 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:05.839 for that argument. 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:07.920 Then I was like, all right, let me, well, I 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:10.240 think Stokely is definitely worth throwing hands over. 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:13.360 Yeah, you were lazy gentlemen worth throwing hands over. 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:17.680 Yeah, thank you, Now. 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:18.800 Hit me Bill. 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:19.480 All right. 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:24.559 So, so I was watching video solo one day and DONNYE. 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:27.600 Simpson is hyping up this new group straight out of Minneapolis. 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:28.599 How were you at the time? 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:30.680 Twelve? 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:33.920 Yeah, that was So he's about to throw this video. 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:36.120 He's like, yeah, they sign of Jimmy Dame Terry Lewis's label. 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:38.360 I'm all hyped up because you already said Minneapolis Jimmy 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:39.080 jam Terry Lewis. 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:41.640 So I'm on board. So the video for are You 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:45.880 Free comes on and I did not like that song. 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:48.560 I didn't like the video, but then pretty Brown Eyes 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:49.440 came out then forev Your. 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:51.760 Eyes, and I realized that, so it's all good. 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:54.960 Yeah, that first single like was not it was. I mean, 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:56.960 I liked are You Free? But it definitely didn't. 0:05:57.880 --> 0:05:59.159 But we still ain't Free. 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:02.440 Yeah. When's the last time I did that in concert? 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:03.840 Man? 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:06.680 We did the Disneyland grad Nights and probably ninety two. 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:10.680 We've remixed it, Like I'm saying, it would like, you know, 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:12.920 if I would like glass or something like that, we 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:14.400 just can't let's play, you know, it just kind of 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:18.360 a different yeah, you know, but yeah, well, thank you 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:18.960 for coming. 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:20.600 On the show, Thanks for having man, I know, that 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:23.520 at least Fire Burges is losing her mind right now. 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:26.520 Man, I told her fire. 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:27.479 Shout out the Fire. 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:32.200 Yeah you know, yes, yes, she took me to my 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:33.320 first Man Condition concert. 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:35.480 Wait what okay? 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:40.680 Oh wait, I'm years old? Like this is like look 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:41.880 at album. 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:44.480 Okay, shut out the fire. 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:48.800 Yes, I want new bad I get it, I get it. 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:51.960 I said, sorry, but y'all y'all good, y'are good? Yeah, yeah, 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:56.280 you know so you okay, I don't want to see 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:59.240 the city, but I'm saying so can B two in 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:01.600 ninety nine? Were you born in Saint Paul? 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:08.840 Yes, from downtown. 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:19.080 So yeah, my you know often uh, the I guess 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:21.680 the death of the Black Band is something that I 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:24.960 was hearing of a lot, especially. I mean, I guess 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:28.520 at least between both of our groups were coming out 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:31.320 in like the three year range. That's one thing I've 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:36.840 always heard from journalists and never thought about. But even more, 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:41.520 I mean, us being a hip hop was not like 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:43.680 a saving grace, but you know that was our marketing, 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:47.520 you know. But you guys were basically the last literally 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:53.120 the last of the of the caboose, So you know, one, 0:07:53.320 --> 0:08:00.200 why even develop a band knowing well, knowing it that 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:01.840 it was in endangered species. 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:04.560 Well, we didn't know, I mean things, we were just 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:07.160 doing what was in front of us. Of course, you know, 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:10.160 Brother Prince and all the groups said at that time 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:13.120 that were coming out and everybody was flocking to Minneapolis, 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:14.600 and we were first getting our deal. We went out 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:16.720 to la and they were like, why you guys here, 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:20.160 It's like everything's happening back in Many. So we we 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:22.160 were just developing and doing what we did, playing at 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:25.680 you know, virginal music, and it just so happened, you know, 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:28.240 called the attention to Jam and Lewis, And at that time, 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:30.600 you know, bands were on their way out, you know, 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:32.680 so vocal artists were in you know, Joe to cy 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:37.480 Boys and men. That kind of thing was so you know, 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:41.320 but I think Jam and Lewis they kind of knew, 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:43.800 you know, them coming from a band, if they understood 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:47.079 what we're trying to do, so it probably wouldn't have happened. 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:49.040 Otherwise we would have, you know, would have fell on 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:50.280 deaf ears and all that. 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:55.120 So, so, what what's your childhood h like during this pero? 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:58.840 You born in like six sixties, right, six seven? Yeah, and. 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:02.000 So yeah, Saint Paul Minnesota. 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:03.400 I grew up. 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:09.480 Doing a lot of uh, playing percussion, you know, drums, 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:12.040 that kind of thing. So my background was more like 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:15.640 African drumming, dance, that kind of thing. So I was 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:18.559 there was three groups that I was that was instrumental 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:20.959 and in my early development. There and I was a 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:23.240 group called Black Arts Midwest and that was kind of 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:24.320 a I'm sorry. 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:25.360 There was a group before that. 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:26.880 I had my first gig when I was like four, 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:31.360 and you know, I was standing up on you know, 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:34.640 this chair playing congress with this group called Admonden Game. 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:37.240 My dad was a friend of his and he was 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:41.160 from Panama, Okay, and so he took me with him. 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:42.840 My dad didn't know whether it's yea, it sounds good 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:45.120 than me, but I don't know, you know what, you know, 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:49.040 if it sounds drummer's dad, you know, so took me 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:51.200 with him, you know, so he's got good hands kind 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:51.520 of things. 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:52.719 So did that. 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:56.080 There was another African dance group where just we did 0:09:56.200 --> 0:10:00.240 like African chants and you know, this was time where 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:03.880 you had a lot of poetry and stuff going on 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:05.839 and we were celebrating quants and back then, you know, 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:10.400 before it was way popular, you know, yeah, yeah, we 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:12.360 had a little you know about ron k Ring and 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:13.400 that whole thing. 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:19.640 And so being as though you're the first generation exer 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:24.880 from the Twin Cities that we've interviewed from the Twin Cities, 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:29.800 everyone else being baby boomers, a lot of their experiences 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:33.600 was there was truly no black experience, no black radio, 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:37.199 no vibe, no African culture, that sort of thing. So, 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:42.240 at what point is there black identity in the in 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:46.760 the Twin Cities. It was just small and who developed it? 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:51.480 It was a small community. And mind you, I didn't 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:53.480 know any different. I grew up a little different. It's 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:56.080 because and I thought everybody was having the same experiences. 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:57.400 Yeah, so I was. 0:10:58.480 --> 0:10:59.480 I didn't know O for a long time. I was 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:02.800 a halfway homeschool, you know, So I go to school, 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:04.280 but then like on the weekends, and you know, my 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:06.720 dad were that he's both of my parents educators. 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:12.520 Most uh English and every grade, uh specially at all 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:13.000 that stuff. 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:18.360 And my father's a professor of African studies, African American studies. 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:21.200 And so I did that for like thirty thirty five years. 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:25.080 Place called my Council College in the same po And what. 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:27.559 Were their lessons like were they filling into gaps. 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:29.959 Filing to get what treats me about you know, about 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:31.840 African history, but like you're gonna learn about the horn 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:35.040 today to the left side of Africa here and you know, 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:39.319 just all that, you know, it was just really that's 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:41.440 where I you know, it was like I thought everybody 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:43.840 knew that, you know, so so I started getting teased. 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:45.160 You learned about Africa. 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:49.800 You know, African modis Africa. 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:51.640 That's it means for a fight, Yeah. 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:54.559 Exactly what. Yeah, But it wasn't so much that I 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:57.959 got mad. It was like I was just confused on Wow. 0:11:57.800 --> 0:11:59.160 Why is that like a thing? 0:11:59.440 --> 0:11:59.640 You know? 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:01.520 But where were your parents born? 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:05.400 My dad's from Savannah, my mom's from Fort Dodge, Iva. 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:06.360 Yeah. 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:11.640 The met that Wilberforce in Ohio College there, okay, and 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:14.680 came up to make a better way in Saint Paul, 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:16.600 you know. I mean there's a lot of opportunity up 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:18.880 in there. So but so it was you know, a 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:22.640 small community of black folks up there, and you know 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:26.480 that's kind of that was my uh tribe, you say, so, 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:29.320 I mean that was my my even still to this day, 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:31.520 and my extended family. These are people who watched me 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:33.760 when my parents couldn't you know, if I was on 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:34.600 the street trying. 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:37.319 To do you know, village. 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:40.360 Yeah, yeah, that kind of Yeah, no matter how they 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:42.640 rape your parents, it's like this, The streets is strong man, 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:46.000 The streets is you know what I mean. It's we 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:48.319 were talking about that earlier. So, I mean, you need 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:49.719 a lot of people around you. So a lot of 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:51.800 folks who knew my my family, my palms were like, 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:53.719 oh nah, I ain't messing with that. 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:55.640 You do what you're supposed to do, man, you know, 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:57.760 and kind of keep me away from So was. 0:12:57.800 --> 0:12:59.480 It gang culture in the MIDI? 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:01.679 You know, I had the whole pimp thing and you know, 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:04.160 drugs and that, that whole thing you know in my 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:07.640 house was right, it's one of those spaces where you 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:11.000 go two blocks up, you know, you could get into something. 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:13.480 So they knew to leave mister Williams kid alone. 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:14.280 And something like that. 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:17.319 Yeah, yeah, it was a kind of vibe. So, but 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:20.600 it was a small community of you know, African Americans. 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:23.640 They're really into the culture. And this is too when 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:28.160 you know, everything was everybody's trying to find the identity, 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:30.839 so you know, father his name, and my mother and 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:32.439 all that kind of thing, just trying to feel closer 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:35.000 to the culture, that kind of thing. So that was 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:37.600 my that was surrounded by that. And then I would 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:39.640 go out into the world and you know, you turn 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:41.040 on the radio and you hear all these you know, 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:43.360 different things. I'm in the Midwest, and then it was 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:44.560 fly over country, right, So. 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:46.839 That's what it was. 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:49.959 So I'm hearing all this uh pop radio. You know, 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:53.000 you know Crosby Steels and Nash and you know everything 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:55.640 about Dylan, you know, you know all that. 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:59.240 So can I can I assume that your your name 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:03.800 came from Stokely Carmengle. That's why they Stokely Mandela, So 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:18.280 he wanted yeah. Now yeah, So were any of your 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:19.360 parents musicians? 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:22.280 Like how did play nothing but the radio? You know, 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:24.920 my mom like to dance and sing every probably getting 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:28.640 my energy from both of them. They love music, you know. 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:32.920 You know Dad loved to play me big jazz heads. 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:35.640 So you know, if he wasn't listening to Malcolm X 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:39.160 or you know, Martin Luther King records, you know, he'd 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:41.000 have some Richard Prior records too, just a little bit 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:42.160 of everything jazz records. 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:44.600 So you were playing like the speech records. 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:45.880 Oh, yeah, I'd be hearing him in the house that 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:48.720 come in. It's like playing that thing, you know, and. 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:51.560 Damn so y'all could have been a tripal quest like. 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:56.480 Exclan that sort of thing, glorious. 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:02.080 Do you have siblings, Yeah, older brother, youngest sister. Yeah, 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:05.680 and yeah, so that was uh, he was playing a 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:06.480 lot of stuff in the house. 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:08.000 It was. It was a musical house. There was always 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:09.760 music going all the time. 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:12.840 Do your siblings pay play anything or no? 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:16.800 My sister played flute. She tried singing in church. 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:21.560 But yeah, it was were you always like when did 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:25.320 you first start singing? You know? 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:28.960 It was one of those things where singing happened for me. Yeah, 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:33.040 drums was first, yeah, so, but then the singing thing. 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:37.000 I would always you know, you know, any kid as 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:38.680 a family, you put on your little plays for your 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:40.960 family and that kind of thing. So I was into 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:43.840 mocking any and everything, you know, anything I would hear, 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:47.720 you know, my parents, you know, Uncle jam is out 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:49.720 here coming in with his you know, a little flask 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:56.200 you know, and so be the same with music. But 0:15:56.480 --> 0:16:00.600 the time I heard al Green, That's did it for me. 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:03.160 It was like fifteen people in one I was like, 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:06.960 I mean, all these different voices, I'm like. 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:08.120 Wow, who was this dude? 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:10.840 So you took on his his inflections all. 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:12.600 Yeah, it was just amazing to hear that. 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:13.800 So even as a youngster. 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:16.160 Yeah, but I didn't know what I was doing. I 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:17.840 just like doing it. 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:20.160 I just thought it was fun and you know, but 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:25.280 singing was one of those things. Actually when I got 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:28.200 to high school, basically we had kind of like a 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:31.400 uh it was a performing arts school and it was 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:35.000 called a Magnet Arts program. But we had like, uh, 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:37.920 we had there was a recording studio there. I Sweller 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:41.280 and steel Pain had an acting class in there and 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:43.840 different things like that, so I was involved in that. 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:50.640 But taking the recording class, I was. There was two classes. 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:53.880 One where they paired you with other musicians and be like, okay, 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:55.600 you play funk and you're gonna we're gonna pair you 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:58.040 with somebody plays rock and roll something like that, so 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:01.240 just to get it. Yeah, yeah, you know that whole thing. 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:04.160 And then there was the technical aspect where you actually 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:06.240 learn how to record. I wanted to take that class 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:08.040 so I can learn how to press nop and learn 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:10.119 the technical aspect so I could do my own stuff. 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:13.400 And so when I did that. It was a little task, 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:16.440 you know, forty four whatever. It was four track and 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:20.399 a little eight O eight and a little uh j 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:22.320 X three P. And I go in there and make 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:24.199 up little songs. And at this time and here all 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:27.440 the Prince inspired stuff, and so I wasn't. 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:28.719 Uh, just go for you. It was like eighty two 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:30.119 eighty three, yeah, yeah. 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:31.040 And so. 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:34.639 I'll go and make these little songs up. And I 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:37.280 was shy of saying I wouldn't wouldn't want anybody to 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:39.439 hear me. So I was singing in my false subtle 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:42.280 Prince esque kind of you know. And the door was 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:52.080 right there, so anytime i'd be like stop stop everything. 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:56.399 Called yeah video door look out. 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:02.840 In that, you know, and I would play them at 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:06.000 the person who really heard the stuff. I would play 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:08.560 for Homer Rodell, the guitar player for men. Oh, people like, man, 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:10.360 it sounds really good, you know, just the way you're 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:13.359 putting the songs to get the arrangements and stuff, you know, 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:15.800 and it'd be like ten minutes long, of course, you know. 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:20.760 But I think that's what helped me to develop just here, 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:22.280 because I felt like I was meeting. 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:24.280 Myself for the first time. You know, stacking vocals and 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:24.800 that kind of thing. 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:30.320 Now, before the Orange Slaughter of the first wave of 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:36.879 Black Minneapolis, say seventy eight to eighty four, was there 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:39.879 any presence of any of those guys in your life 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:44.800 pre then? Like was Grand Central playing like the local 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:48.440 church down the block? And okay, did you know any 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:51.480 of the All Stars of Minnesota? Yeah? 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:54.280 Now, so there was some stuff told me because I'd 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:56.639 forgotten it and I was younger, and there are a 0:18:56.640 --> 0:18:58.560 lot of people who filled in the blanks for me 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:02.240 because I was so young. The second group was called 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:04.400 Black Arts Midwest Trummers. It was like, like I said, 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:07.000 we did African Chance and that kind of thing. And 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:10.480 so I remember there was this place in Minneapolis, I 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:13.720 think it was Sabbathany and they used to throw like 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:17.359 local dances and things like that. And I remember we 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:23.560 were either on before Grand Central, either opening or we 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:25.720 were rehearsing there and they were getting ready to play. 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:27.600 Either way. 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:29.600 And this was told to me not too long ago actually, 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:32.000 and by a couple of people. So I was like 0:19:32.040 --> 0:19:34.160 the first one I didn't believe. I was like, all right, okay, 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:36.879 but I do remember a couple of things. One was 0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:38.480 I remember Prince was there. 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:39.040 It was a group. 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:44.920 I remember just Afro happening and so and I remember 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:48.639 somebody screaming out, you know, I was playing Congress and 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:51.000 you know, a couple of people filled in that story. 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:53.120 It was like it was Prince saying, oh little brother 0:19:53.200 --> 0:19:53.640 God play. 0:19:53.880 --> 0:19:55.680 I was like, oh wow, wow. 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:56.960 Really, so that's funny. 0:19:57.160 --> 0:19:58.160 How old were you at the time. 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:05.440 I was about nine nine ten? Yeah, oh yeah. 0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:11.080 The Minnesota music scene, I know that it's it's you know, 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:14.800 it's heavily populated. So I mean in high school, were 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:20.720 any of like the Peterson family clan or like, was 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:23.320 anyone uh in high school at the time when you 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:24.320 were in school? 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:25.280 I didn't. 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:27.920 I wasn't aware the Peterson's in only when I got older, 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:29.879 but I'm sure they were around, you know, doing the 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:30.840 thing developing too. 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:32.560 So I didn't know. 0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:36.800 A lot of people. I just knew my own little circle. 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:39.760 And then the people that were local, like Grand Central 0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:43.159 and Enterprise and you know, Mike Brown's man and you know. 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:46.440 So did any of their albums make an impression on 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:49.200 you at the time, Like, yeah, when you saw the time, 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:50.320 was it like yeah, we got it? 0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:53.560 I Mean that's been how Purple Ranglent. It was pretty 0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:55.520 much like that becausehen we were coming through even with Mint, 0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:58.320 we would have you know, it was kind of like 0:20:58.480 --> 0:20:59.240 the competition. 0:20:59.400 --> 0:20:59.520 You know. 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:00.960 It was a good I think it was called Peach 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:03.520 Tree And there's a bunch of different bands around that time. 0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:07.440 And I remember we would always borrow equipment and we 0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:11.000 had this one show. It was always a futures one show. 0:21:11.000 --> 0:21:11.439 In particular. 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:14.160 I remember we had like like some real Barron equipment, 0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:17.320 like each Jeff had one keyboards, Bard, Larry had one keyboards, 0:21:17.400 --> 0:21:22.920 Barn and yeah, it was it's They would be like, 0:21:23.000 --> 0:21:25.960 oh man, what what's your Midian? This was like when 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:27.760 MIDI was like a big you know it's coming out, 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:28.840 so it's been out a few years, but. 0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:30.359 But y'all stacking up on it. 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:33.680 No, we only got this one keyboard, Like, uh, okay, 0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:35.680 you don't really give up your secret nothing like, No, 0:21:35.800 --> 0:21:36.840 we only got one keyboard. 0:21:37.080 --> 0:21:37.760 That's all we got. 0:21:39.480 --> 0:21:41.359 Now what we did do was going in, you know 0:21:41.480 --> 0:21:43.840 and just work it as best we can. We would 0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:46.240 know every looking cranny about that keyboard or whatever. You know, 0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:48.560 that's all we had. But they thought we was just 0:21:48.680 --> 0:21:50.280 you know, but it was really what were y'all using 0:21:50.359 --> 0:21:53.720 like Oberheim's or we had a it was a rolling 0:21:53.840 --> 0:21:55.080 Juno one was one of them. 0:21:55.640 --> 0:21:58.679 June. Yeah, still use that, you know, absolutely, and uh 0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:03.440 it was X three P and a D X seven Yeah, 0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:04.359 what was it? 0:22:05.119 --> 0:22:06.120 Cheesy DX seven? 0:22:06.240 --> 0:22:06.440 Yeah? 0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:09.080 You know what with that Seinfield bass. 0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:11.840 Face? 0:22:11.920 --> 0:22:13.200 He was that on so much. 0:22:13.359 --> 0:22:16.280 Yeah, So how did the other guys enter your life? 0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:17.440 Were you all in high school together? 0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:17.960 High school? 0:22:17.960 --> 0:22:20.920 So yeah, Saint Paul Central was a high school there, 0:22:21.119 --> 0:22:23.480 and we all went there at different times. Larry's first 0:22:23.560 --> 0:22:27.240 to come out, and then it was me and O'Dell 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:32.600 and then Jeff and then Carrie Rick came up. He's 0:22:32.640 --> 0:22:36.879 from Chicago bass player, and he came up about was 0:22:36.920 --> 0:22:42.639 it nineteen eighty three or something like that, but we 0:22:42.680 --> 0:22:47.920 didn't I didn't meet him till like eighty six, eighty 0:22:47.960 --> 0:22:50.480 six something, you know, I think about eighty six, and 0:22:50.840 --> 0:22:53.360 you've seen him in bands. We had all this little 0:22:54.160 --> 0:22:59.200 leather pants and you know, leopard and whatnot. Teacher look, yeah, yeah, 0:22:59.359 --> 0:23:00.320 you know, okay. 0:23:00.440 --> 0:23:04.359 So Masariety once told the story of how, like, you know, 0:23:04.880 --> 0:23:08.159 how competition was was just Steve amongst black bands back then, 0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:09.840 who was going to out do each other? Or out 0:23:10.359 --> 0:23:13.720 shock somebody or whatever. But I mean, was that almost 0:23:13.760 --> 0:23:18.080 expected at the time, because I would assume that, you know, 0:23:18.920 --> 0:23:22.680 nineteen twenty whatever. I mean, it was eighty seven, so 0:23:23.280 --> 0:23:26.280 Prince was really Prince by the Yeah, so was there 0:23:27.200 --> 0:23:29.119 a need to feel like, Okay, we have to follow that, 0:23:29.320 --> 0:23:31.600 like what Jesse Johnson and those guys look like, and 0:23:32.119 --> 0:23:33.760 would Masariety and those guys look like. 0:23:33.840 --> 0:23:36.200 And I think the whole country at that point was 0:23:36.280 --> 0:23:38.960 just like, you know, that was the phase. You just 0:23:39.080 --> 0:23:42.359 had to make an impression, make an impact, and that 0:23:42.600 --> 0:23:44.840 was that. But you know, also not only that, we 0:23:44.960 --> 0:23:47.040 were just trying to be really heavy on the music 0:23:47.080 --> 0:23:49.760 and have substance at the same time. You know, you know, 0:23:49.840 --> 0:23:51.480 we were a group that we didn't really do covers, 0:23:51.840 --> 0:23:54.840 so our shows were limited to certain you know, like 0:23:55.160 --> 0:23:56.240 events we didn't really do. 0:23:56.440 --> 0:23:58.600 How long were your shows if you didn't do covers. 0:23:59.440 --> 0:24:02.520 Damn, we probably only doing thirty minutes. We were doing showcases, well, 0:24:02.560 --> 0:24:04.719 unless we were doing less somebody with you know, somebody's mom, 0:24:04.800 --> 0:24:06.360 so well we can play down after such and such. 0:24:06.440 --> 0:24:09.040 You know, they minutes y'all own material. 0:24:09.160 --> 0:24:11.240 It was not you know, we weren't interested in anything else. 0:24:11.320 --> 0:24:13.440 It was you know, that's rare, but yeah, I know 0:24:13.520 --> 0:24:17.800 because I noticed that. Yeah, and we would try to 0:24:17.920 --> 0:24:20.200 do you know, had segues and everything, and I was like, 0:24:20.320 --> 0:24:23.480 you know, let's do it, like you know, JB or. 0:24:23.560 --> 0:24:25.040 We would see all the groups that were there at 0:24:25.080 --> 0:24:27.320 that time. It was like that they would play you know, 0:24:28.119 --> 0:24:30.919 original music. It's like why yeah, why not? And then 0:24:31.119 --> 0:24:33.840 you know, so, I mean it was like the nerve 0:24:33.960 --> 0:24:35.800 they to who are these dudes, the nerve of you 0:24:36.520 --> 0:24:38.600 to you know, be trying to hit segues and but 0:24:38.760 --> 0:24:40.159 you know it worked because we had We would do 0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:42.800 these showcases and that's how it got discovered. 0:24:43.440 --> 0:24:45.120 You know, when we were at. 0:24:45.080 --> 0:24:49.919 First Avenue, we invited Jam and Lewis. I think at 0:24:49.920 --> 0:24:51.680 the time there was a rep from m c A there, 0:24:52.840 --> 0:24:56.960 Prince had Levi come down. He said I'd rather see 0:24:57.000 --> 0:25:01.040 them than hear them, and so he sent him down. 0:25:01.119 --> 0:25:05.280 He's a videotape and so he did. And then after 0:25:05.359 --> 0:25:07.960 that show, I think it was just Jam and Lewis 0:25:07.960 --> 0:25:10.320 would always say, man, we just you know, signed you 0:25:10.440 --> 0:25:13.640 off for your live performance. You know, that was the strongest. 0:25:13.640 --> 0:25:15.639 That's what we really really worked on. We had demos 0:25:15.680 --> 0:25:19.040 and everything, so it does as well. But that's the 0:25:19.119 --> 0:25:20.800 thing that really did it. 0:25:20.960 --> 0:25:22.520 What was the practice regiment? 0:25:22.720 --> 0:25:25.480 Like we got it in it was like, you know, 0:25:25.600 --> 0:25:27.879 after school, it'd be pretty much all day. 0:25:27.880 --> 0:25:30.520 And at that time, I was where would you practice? 0:25:30.720 --> 0:25:34.199 Like, yeah, it was like warehouses, you know, all those 0:25:34.240 --> 0:25:36.000 warehouses you see in purple and stuff like that. 0:25:36.080 --> 0:25:37.480 Yeah, exactly that how. 0:25:37.440 --> 0:25:41.600 You balancing the studying on the weekends and school. 0:25:42.119 --> 0:25:45.320 Well let's see, so your parents. 0:25:45.400 --> 0:25:49.800 Okay, let me back up. So a lot every group 0:25:49.840 --> 0:25:52.600 I've ever been in is like been at my parents' 0:25:52.640 --> 0:25:53.399 house in the basement. 0:25:53.400 --> 0:25:54.800 There's a lot of group. So that was first. 0:25:54.840 --> 0:25:58.320 So after I actually after I graduated, then we started 0:25:58.400 --> 0:26:00.159 I was working jobs, odd jobs, that kind of thing. 0:26:00.240 --> 0:26:02.760 Then we did the warehouse thing and it got more 0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:05.680 serious there, and then from there, if we weren't working, 0:26:05.840 --> 0:26:08.600 we was like be like all weekend, be like twelve 0:26:08.680 --> 0:26:09.720 hours if you get in there. 0:26:09.640 --> 0:26:10.159 And just hit it. 0:26:10.240 --> 0:26:12.040 And your parents were supportive because I don't know if 0:26:12.040 --> 0:26:12.280 that's what. 0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:12.920 They saw for you. 0:26:13.800 --> 0:26:16.560 Yeah, well they wanted they wanted school, of course. You know, 0:26:16.760 --> 0:26:21.360 Like I decided that I don't know, there's something, there's 0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:22.920 something in me. I just I'm gonna take a break 0:26:23.000 --> 0:26:26.200 on that, you know, and I just felt something and 0:26:26.440 --> 0:26:29.160 you know that was always like, man, my worst nightmares 0:26:29.280 --> 0:26:31.840 like you being in around fifty dollars, you know, a 0:26:31.960 --> 0:26:33.120 night making musician. 0:26:33.520 --> 0:26:36.680 You know, it's like, no, I don't see that, you know. 0:26:36.800 --> 0:26:38.480 So I just kind of went from I just said, 0:26:38.520 --> 0:26:40.120 I'm gonna try as hard as I can to really 0:26:40.680 --> 0:26:43.520 do what I can do, you know. So you know, 0:26:43.560 --> 0:26:45.479 I think the practice thing, that's why we just kind 0:26:45.520 --> 0:26:46.920 of work so hard, you know, And a lot of 0:26:47.000 --> 0:26:48.680 us do that have that drive whatever it is that 0:26:48.800 --> 0:26:51.200 drives us. You know, I know you always here work hard, 0:26:51.359 --> 0:26:53.960 just trying to get our ten thousand hours plus in, 0:26:54.119 --> 0:26:54.560 you know, right. 0:26:54.720 --> 0:26:57.440 You know, So how did you get over your shyness 0:26:58.200 --> 0:26:59.800 into really developing your voice? 0:27:00.119 --> 0:27:00.159 Is? 0:27:01.640 --> 0:27:03.879 I mean, I know everyone's like, oh, yeah, that's my 0:27:04.080 --> 0:27:07.320 natural voice, but do you have a fucking spot on 0:27:07.520 --> 0:27:11.840 skill dass voice? So how do you? You had to 0:27:11.920 --> 0:27:14.800 do some you had to get out of that shine 0:27:14.840 --> 0:27:15.840 it's eventually. 0:27:17.400 --> 0:27:19.359 I think part of it was theater. There's a small 0:27:19.520 --> 0:27:23.320 theater company. We're not so small. There's a small big 0:27:23.400 --> 0:27:25.920 coming up a number. I was in a production there, 0:27:25.960 --> 0:27:29.119 and I think that experience opened me up to go 0:27:29.240 --> 0:27:32.000 to open me up, you know, just kind of not 0:27:32.320 --> 0:27:34.920 to get beyond that, you know. I think also performing 0:27:35.040 --> 0:27:36.640 too is one thing because there's a lot of shine 0:27:36.720 --> 0:27:38.400 musicians and you know what I mean. 0:27:38.760 --> 0:27:41.800 You there's one thing you didn't mention. Did you not 0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:44.920 have a church experience at all? Yeah, because most black 0:27:45.000 --> 0:27:45.800 musicians have to. 0:27:46.359 --> 0:27:50.560 I didn't sing in church pay okay, like the midnight 0:27:50.640 --> 0:27:53.840 musicals and stuff. So I was always Now, church definitely 0:27:54.080 --> 0:27:57.520 has a big effect because I just knew every time 0:27:57.600 --> 0:27:59.320 I went there, I felt like crying, you. 0:27:59.359 --> 0:28:02.840 Know, brings all that emotion. I was like, why am 0:28:02.880 --> 0:28:06.960 I crying? But it was always crying in church. That's 0:28:06.960 --> 0:28:07.280 what it is. 0:28:07.400 --> 0:28:09.240 Spiritual is something gets in you and I just all 0:28:09.280 --> 0:28:11.760 the the bending of the notes and all that kind 0:28:11.760 --> 0:28:15.520 of thing, and you know, just it's just an amazing experience. 0:28:15.600 --> 0:28:20.000 So I was playing percussion, you know, some drums and 0:28:20.200 --> 0:28:22.760 but just really listening and taking it all in, I think. 0:28:24.000 --> 0:28:25.920 But I didn't sing in any choir. 0:28:26.800 --> 0:28:29.159 When did you get your first drum set? Was it 0:28:29.200 --> 0:28:30.160 a Christmas experience? 0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:33.760 Like how Sears and Roebuck. 0:28:36.040 --> 0:28:37.080 And uh it was. 0:28:37.280 --> 0:28:40.120 I was nine and I heard them stumbling. I was 0:28:40.200 --> 0:28:43.080 sleep trying to my dad and my brother try to 0:28:43.080 --> 0:28:49.920 set it up, trying and I heard I'm like, this 0:28:50.120 --> 0:28:51.520 might be it, you know, I heard them. 0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:55.360 So you don't have to interview me because this month drumming. 0:28:55.640 --> 0:28:56.480 Their first drum. 0:28:56.360 --> 0:29:01.280 Set you mad, like everything, I can't sparkle, but they 0:29:01.360 --> 0:29:02.760 had some of the wrong pieces so they had to 0:29:02.800 --> 0:29:05.640 take it back and silver sparkles, so I still got yeah, 0:29:06.080 --> 0:29:06.960 you still I. 0:29:06.960 --> 0:29:10.400 Still got yeah. Yeah, Yeah, it's that feeling, man. 0:29:10.720 --> 0:29:13.080 I know, you'll never there's never a feeling of coming 0:29:13.120 --> 0:29:16.080 downstairs Christmas morning seeing your brand new drums. 0:29:16.360 --> 0:29:17.960 Yeah, that's everything. 0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:21.800 Yours came from Serious and Rob Mine. Mine came from 0:29:22.720 --> 0:29:41.160 my dad's drummer's bad drug Habiteah, it's yours now. Who 0:29:41.200 --> 0:29:42.800 were your drumming idols. 0:29:42.400 --> 0:29:47.320 At the time, uh An art Laking, Max Roach, So 0:29:47.440 --> 0:29:52.600 you were in the jazz drumming Yeah, absolutely, yeah, those 0:29:52.640 --> 0:29:58.080 two were for it, you know, just because at the 0:29:58.120 --> 0:30:00.360 time I had a couple of I was both formally 0:30:00.400 --> 0:30:02.400 and informally taught, so a lot of ear training, but 0:30:02.480 --> 0:30:05.680 I had some you know, piano, little piano and uh 0:30:05.880 --> 0:30:08.000 drum training and they were like, look, man, if you 0:30:08.040 --> 0:30:11.240 can hit jazz, you got everything you learn how to 0:30:11.320 --> 0:30:13.239 read a little bit. But really, if you've got all 0:30:13.240 --> 0:30:15.600 those skills of four wad coordination, all those books, you know, 0:30:16.040 --> 0:30:17.640 stick control, you know all that stuff. 0:30:18.120 --> 0:30:23.959 Stick control. I still have those books. Yeah. So if 0:30:24.040 --> 0:30:30.120 you when you were young, are you imagining yourself as 0:30:30.320 --> 0:30:34.600 more like, were you trying to pursue jazz or his 0:30:34.720 --> 0:30:36.800 R and B looked down upon? Because I know a 0:30:36.840 --> 0:30:40.480 lot of serious jazz musicians that, like, you know, every 0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:42.320 jazz musician looks down on pop music. 0:30:42.640 --> 0:30:44.600 Yeah, you know I was. 0:30:44.720 --> 0:30:46.200 I think I was right in between it. I could, 0:30:46.800 --> 0:30:54.600 I could at the time. I could definitely respect you know, 0:30:54.680 --> 0:30:56.920 whole pop music. I liked a lot of it, you 0:30:56.960 --> 0:30:58.960 know what I mean, So I can see where all 0:30:59.000 --> 0:31:00.880 that stuff fit in. There's a lot of fusion stuff 0:31:00.920 --> 0:31:02.920 that I started listening to us like, man, this is 0:31:03.000 --> 0:31:05.360 you know, I've turned it forever and all that stuff. 0:31:05.800 --> 0:31:07.840 I was like, all that stuff was in there. I 0:31:07.920 --> 0:31:10.760 was like, wow, this is crazy, you know they're actually 0:31:10.840 --> 0:31:13.600 fitting it in there. But yeah, so I liked it, 0:31:13.720 --> 0:31:15.160 you know, I was just kind of I felt like it, 0:31:15.560 --> 0:31:16.520 I feel like a hybrid. 0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:19.440 Who will put you on to that stuff? Though? Like 0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:21.080 was it an older cousin or. 0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:24.400 That like just people around you know, you know, because 0:31:24.440 --> 0:31:26.480 I was always the youngest musician in any group I 0:31:26.560 --> 0:31:29.320 was playing in, and you know, it's like, you know, 0:31:29.440 --> 0:31:32.200 it's returned to forever. It is a you know, Mike 0:31:32.240 --> 0:31:34.560 Stern or whatever. As a you know, it was just 0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:36.800 people put me on you know, certain things like that you. 0:31:36.840 --> 0:31:40.719 Study it and yeah, you know, I mean yeah, so, uh, 0:31:42.040 --> 0:31:43.800 what year is it around the time you guys were 0:31:43.840 --> 0:31:47.520 serious about pursuing a record deal like a demo or 0:31:49.080 --> 0:31:52.200 it was signing to Paisley Park or whatever, like. 0:31:52.280 --> 0:31:54.800 Eighty eight eighty nine is what happened? 0:31:54.960 --> 0:31:57.560 Was you know, after high school, I was like, okay, 0:31:57.560 --> 0:32:00.800 I m work and I'm going, you know, try to 0:32:01.040 --> 0:32:03.920 do this thing as hard as I came at the time. Uh. 0:32:04.680 --> 0:32:07.160 It was probably one time where I was in I 0:32:07.200 --> 0:32:10.000 don't know, like twelve bands one time. It's just so 0:32:10.120 --> 0:32:11.840 we just working gig in you know. 0:32:12.400 --> 0:32:12.560 You know. 0:32:12.680 --> 0:32:15.640 Michael Bland was actually he was actually in met He's 0:32:15.720 --> 0:32:18.600 on the first draft of the contract. Michael Bland drummer, 0:32:18.640 --> 0:32:23.800 used to play with Prince. He It was right at 0:32:23.840 --> 0:32:27.080 the time Prince was was breaking and we were right 0:32:27.080 --> 0:32:28.960 at the time we were about to sign, you know, 0:32:29.360 --> 0:32:31.280 so he obviously would Prince and that kind of thing. 0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:34.600 But between me and Mike, we had like it seemed 0:32:34.640 --> 0:32:36.600 like we had all the gigs in time. We was like, man, 0:32:36.640 --> 0:32:41.520 we just need to call ourself the drum hos. How 0:32:41.600 --> 0:32:42.360 did we go? 0:32:42.520 --> 0:32:45.520 Because I know that a lot of the initial MPG 0:32:46.560 --> 0:32:54.400 musicians were local Minneapolis, like the coach what was Yeah, 0:32:56.040 --> 0:32:57.520 So I mean, could there have been a chance that 0:32:57.680 --> 0:33:01.280 you could have had that gig or like a word 0:33:01.320 --> 0:33:01.760 of audition? 0:33:01.880 --> 0:33:04.600 Probably he would just go down there in Jam and 0:33:04.920 --> 0:33:06.240 you know, and it'd be killing it, you know. 0:33:06.320 --> 0:33:11.200 Of course, So what's the nightclub that the central nightclub 0:33:11.280 --> 0:33:13.480 that all the bad musicians would be? 0:33:13.600 --> 0:33:15.600 That was it Bunkers? Yep, that was it at the time. 0:33:15.640 --> 0:33:16.520 Everybody would go down there. 0:33:16.520 --> 0:33:19.720 They'd hit their seventies and eighties reviewed kind of thing, 0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:22.840 and everybody would come down, you know, and they would, 0:33:23.240 --> 0:33:25.360 you know, after their gig whatever they're playing, you know, 0:33:25.360 --> 0:33:28.880 whether it be Excel Center or you know, Target Center, 0:33:28.960 --> 0:33:29.560 they'd come down. 0:33:29.760 --> 0:33:32.600 You know, they would stay over later than normal. 0:33:32.840 --> 0:33:36.040 Yeah, like one sometimes I think it'd be two o'clock 0:33:36.080 --> 0:33:38.560 at at some point. But yeah, it would come down 0:33:38.600 --> 0:33:40.480 there in Jam. But he found out about it and 0:33:40.560 --> 0:33:43.360 it's like this group down there and Margaret Cox and 0:33:43.400 --> 0:33:45.719 all these great you know people from Twin Cities. 0:33:45.880 --> 0:33:47.320 Amazing, amazing. 0:33:47.440 --> 0:33:50.600 So yeah, he just kind of come down there and 0:33:50.800 --> 0:33:53.200 you know jam and of course he'll be packed within 0:33:53.640 --> 0:33:55.000 ten minutes of people knowing. 0:33:54.880 --> 0:33:55.320 That he's there. 0:33:55.920 --> 0:33:56.959 Yeah, that whole thing. 0:33:57.120 --> 0:33:59.120 So it wasn't like he was trying to well that 0:33:59.280 --> 0:34:02.160 he could blend it with I mean people, he. 0:34:02.280 --> 0:34:04.560 Was still friends, like yeah, I mean, yeah, absolutely. 0:34:04.600 --> 0:34:05.960 I mean if the people knew who he was, it's like, 0:34:06.040 --> 0:34:08.359 I think you'd like coming there too, just because he'd 0:34:08.360 --> 0:34:11.080 have a little corner. Nobody really bother them. They would 0:34:11.120 --> 0:34:14.839 want to, but they can't get them. You know, they're 0:34:14.880 --> 0:34:17.879 not say anything. Somebody might say something crazy and he'd 0:34:17.880 --> 0:34:18.120 be like. 0:34:20.400 --> 0:34:20.600 You know. 0:34:22.239 --> 0:34:27.480 What keeps when? Okay? So I know that in most 0:34:27.560 --> 0:34:30.799 cases that I've seen, I can tell when musicians are 0:34:30.840 --> 0:34:34.880 showing off when someone else is there like, okay, this 0:34:35.000 --> 0:34:38.000 might be my my big chance to flex and what 0:34:38.239 --> 0:34:43.080 what keeps? I would imagine in that environment if he's 0:34:43.120 --> 0:34:46.400 there a lot that everyone's just trying to go for 0:34:46.480 --> 0:34:50.520 broken and show with chops they have and forget that 0:34:50.600 --> 0:34:52.000 you're a unit and. 0:34:52.960 --> 0:34:57.440 Right it depends people who don't know how to be cohesive. 0:34:57.480 --> 0:34:59.719 When you got those people in this like of course 0:34:59.760 --> 0:35:03.680 he's next, you know, and then you have people like look, 0:35:04.640 --> 0:35:05.840 stay in the fold, stay in. 0:35:05.880 --> 0:35:08.600 Your lane, and make all this shit sound good. You 0:35:08.640 --> 0:35:09.040 know what I mean. 0:35:09.160 --> 0:35:14.000 That's that's everything you know when you're playing with it ensomer. 0:35:14.040 --> 0:35:16.000 So some people would be aware of that, and other 0:35:16.120 --> 0:35:20.080 musicians would be like, you know, and just go for it. 0:35:20.160 --> 0:35:21.279 And then you know, he would be like. 0:35:22.160 --> 0:35:26.920 Because there's a jam session here in a village underground 0:35:27.239 --> 0:35:31.200 village ground Actually yeah, I mean like Princeton. Larry would 0:35:31.200 --> 0:35:33.799 go there a lot, and it's almost like the same thing. 0:35:33.920 --> 0:35:38.440 It's like these mode of musicians that were like just 0:35:38.760 --> 0:35:42.239 everybody's over playing, like from one one hundred, they're all 0:35:42.360 --> 0:35:45.640 on five hundred. And that used to always just turn 0:35:45.719 --> 0:35:47.719 me off about jam sessions because it's like they're not 0:35:48.120 --> 0:35:50.040 you know, jamming with each other. They're trying to like 0:35:50.520 --> 0:35:54.000 make an impression on whoever the celebrity is like in 0:35:54.080 --> 0:35:56.440 the audience. So yeah, that's crazy. 0:35:56.600 --> 0:35:58.720 Yeah, he was more about you know, staying in pocket, 0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:01.399 you know, and that kind of thing he would want 0:36:01.440 --> 0:36:04.040 to say about keyboard players, like I'm more interested in 0:36:04.080 --> 0:36:09.680 their timing, you know, and probably passing cords and that 0:36:09.840 --> 0:36:10.239 kind of thing. 0:36:10.360 --> 0:36:14.960 So so how many labels uh offered you guys deals 0:36:16.239 --> 0:36:17.759 before you chose a perspective? 0:36:20.840 --> 0:36:24.239 Maybe three or four I think MC it was in there. 0:36:24.360 --> 0:36:28.600 Of course a M was in there, might have been 0:36:29.520 --> 0:36:32.480 some silly offered Columbia. 0:36:34.200 --> 0:36:35.680 And you guys were always be in conditioned. 0:36:36.520 --> 0:36:40.439 Okay, yeah, yeah, we uh as I was saying before, 0:36:40.560 --> 0:36:44.919 so after I'd say about we formed in nineteen eighty 0:36:44.960 --> 0:36:49.319 six and yeah that was that was had the first 0:36:49.480 --> 0:36:52.959 anybody's been to the Mall of America yea America lost. 0:36:53.160 --> 0:36:53.319 Yes. 0:36:55.440 --> 0:36:55.560 Uh. 0:36:55.600 --> 0:36:57.680 There was a place called the Carlton's Celebrity Room there 0:36:57.680 --> 0:36:59.839 and they used to have this thing called Black Arts, 0:37:00.680 --> 0:37:03.960 the Black Minnesota Black Music Wars, and it's kind of 0:37:04.080 --> 0:37:06.719 Pete and Kim Roha to run it, and they would 0:37:06.760 --> 0:37:09.320 have that would be the spot you have the Minnesota 0:37:09.400 --> 0:37:11.279 Music Awards, more of the pop stuff, but then you'd 0:37:11.320 --> 0:37:14.760 have Black Music warges and the Jesse Mobs variety everybody, 0:37:14.800 --> 0:37:15.040 all the. 0:37:15.400 --> 0:37:16.160 Acts and everything. 0:37:16.239 --> 0:37:20.279 So that's where we first kind of uh cut our 0:37:20.320 --> 0:37:22.640 teeth right there, and that's right. Carton Selebrity Room was 0:37:22.680 --> 0:37:26.160 right where the Marlve America is now and so that's 0:37:26.440 --> 0:37:27.280 that's where it happened. 0:37:27.400 --> 0:37:28.200 Nineteen eighty six. 0:37:28.280 --> 0:37:31.160 We had these crazy ass outfits on with one leg 0:37:31.360 --> 0:37:35.200 mashed out and leather where backwards turned to the audience 0:37:35.320 --> 0:37:38.320 is when the curtain came up, like what yeah, we 0:37:38.400 --> 0:37:41.480 turned around. It was just yeah great, we had fringes 0:37:41.560 --> 0:37:43.360 flying and yeah, we didn't wear no draws and it 0:37:43.440 --> 0:37:44.000 was just crazy. 0:37:45.840 --> 0:37:47.920 Like we look back it now, like, what do you. 0:37:47.920 --> 0:37:49.960 Guys have a recording of the stuff that you guys 0:37:50.040 --> 0:37:50.879 did back then? Yeah? 0:37:51.120 --> 0:37:53.640 Yeah it looks would cal. 0:37:54.960 --> 0:37:57.560 Oh yeah, some of it's in the the unsung some of. 0:37:57.560 --> 0:37:59.680 It yeah, yeah it is yeah, yeah it is yeah. 0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:02.239 Curious yeah, because how much time in between eighty six 0:38:02.320 --> 0:38:04.279 and the song that Bill hates five years? 0:38:04.800 --> 0:38:08.560 Five years? Yeah, and then from there, I guess what happened. 0:38:08.400 --> 0:38:09.759 Was why do you have to say it like that? 0:38:09.920 --> 0:38:11.560 I just needed a reference. 0:38:13.800 --> 0:38:14.200 From there. 0:38:14.360 --> 0:38:16.320 So from eighty six, you know, I was still playing 0:38:16.320 --> 0:38:18.239 around the drums and everything, and I got offered this 0:38:18.360 --> 0:38:20.440 sum this guy named George Pettis. 0:38:20.600 --> 0:38:22.799 It was he was doing this choice much. 0:38:22.760 --> 0:38:27.920 Yeah this is yeah, okay, wait he's from Minnesota. 0:38:28.360 --> 0:38:32.319 No, but he moved there again. Everybody was flocking trying 0:38:32.360 --> 0:38:34.239 to you know, and he had to deal with m 0:38:34.320 --> 0:38:36.600 c A. And he was gone on tour opening for 0:38:36.640 --> 0:38:40.320 Whitney and uh opportunity to go out with him and 0:38:40.480 --> 0:38:43.360 we were That's how I met her in Europe for 0:38:43.480 --> 0:38:44.200 like three months. 0:38:46.000 --> 0:38:48.560 This was like eighty seven eighty. 0:38:48.400 --> 0:38:53.480 Eight, her second moment for the for the second album. 0:38:54.080 --> 0:38:56.480 Then it was the second I believe its second, Yeah, 0:38:57.040 --> 0:38:59.279 and so I kind of had to put the mint 0:38:59.320 --> 0:38:59.960 thing on on the whole. 0:39:00.200 --> 0:39:01.399 That's what we whenever we're doing. 0:39:02.080 --> 0:39:04.200 And but that was a great experience because you know, 0:39:04.200 --> 0:39:05.680 all those people I met and I just kind of 0:39:05.719 --> 0:39:08.280 got to see it, you know, up close for about 0:39:08.400 --> 0:39:11.920 three something months, you know, over in Europe doing that 0:39:12.000 --> 0:39:14.040 and came back and you know, we. 0:39:15.520 --> 0:39:16.560 Just started grinding. 0:39:16.680 --> 0:39:16.799 Man. 0:39:17.120 --> 0:39:20.600 Yeah, what was it that made y'all sign the Perspective 0:39:21.000 --> 0:39:23.000 rather than the other labels that was out on the 0:39:23.080 --> 0:39:27.040 yoab'll were the first act on the label? 0:39:27.239 --> 0:39:27.520 Correct? 0:39:27.640 --> 0:39:32.359 No, some blacks are are Loky, you're the one, yeah, 0:39:32.600 --> 0:39:36.720 are Lucky also from the Twin City. They're from Kansas City, Okay, 0:39:37.040 --> 0:39:39.719 but they moved up again. Everybody's moving up there and 0:39:40.520 --> 0:39:43.759 we used to have same rehearsal spot that was like 0:39:43.800 --> 0:39:44.040 what that? 0:39:44.080 --> 0:39:44.640 What was their hit? 0:39:47.920 --> 0:39:48.120 Yeah? 0:39:48.239 --> 0:39:55.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, Sorry. 0:40:00.120 --> 0:40:05.279 Stokes. 0:40:05.360 --> 0:40:07.799 I just wanted to ask you have you had your 0:40:07.920 --> 0:40:10.160 Your journey is kind of parallel in some ways with 0:40:10.280 --> 0:40:12.839 Sheila Ease, So I was just curious if you guys 0:40:12.880 --> 0:40:15.479 have ever talked about that, especially in the drummers since 0:40:15.520 --> 0:40:19.120 turned into the artists and the African roots and whatnot, 0:40:19.719 --> 0:40:20.440 we haven't talking. 0:40:20.320 --> 0:40:22.040 Much about me played together a little bit. 0:40:22.120 --> 0:40:24.920 You know, she's African, know, but. 0:40:24.960 --> 0:40:30.319 Her African most Latin. 0:40:36.680 --> 0:40:41.400 Started you want to East eastaff. 0:40:51.960 --> 0:41:01.560 Yes, I do as y'alluys, y'all signed perspective. 0:41:01.600 --> 0:41:03.759 Yeah, it was because of jam and Lewis. 0:41:03.800 --> 0:41:04.000 You know that. 0:41:04.120 --> 0:41:07.680 I think we felt some kinship just because of them 0:41:07.880 --> 0:41:11.160 being from the time and you know, after the first 0:41:11.200 --> 0:41:14.480 Avenue showcase, I remember walking to my car and I've 0:41:14.480 --> 0:41:15.080 seen both of them. 0:41:15.120 --> 0:41:17.919 It's like, ain't so great job, man, we'll talk. 0:41:18.360 --> 0:41:23.239 At that time, I had seen enough and you know, 0:41:23.440 --> 0:41:25.719 artists around town they were like, you know, we're gonna 0:41:25.719 --> 0:41:26.680 do this and nothing happened. 0:41:26.680 --> 0:41:28.880 So I was kind of like grain of salt. If 0:41:28.920 --> 0:41:30.919 it happens, great, I was like, yeah, great, sounds great. 0:41:30.960 --> 0:41:33.800 Thanks man for coming really showing, you know, because I 0:41:33.840 --> 0:41:35.919 definitely appreciated it came out. So that was a big deal, 0:41:36.480 --> 0:41:38.960 but I didn't really know if anything. 0:41:38.760 --> 0:41:41.080 Was really gonna happen. You know, this is Jam and Lewis, 0:41:41.160 --> 0:41:42.799 you know, Jackson, all these people. 0:41:42.840 --> 0:41:42.960 You know. 0:41:43.080 --> 0:41:46.160 So two weeks later, we were sitting up in the 0:41:46.200 --> 0:41:47.840 flight Time office, you know, They're like, what do you 0:41:47.920 --> 0:41:49.799 all want to do. We're like, we want to make 0:41:49.840 --> 0:41:52.239 a record, but we want to produce our own ship, 0:41:52.320 --> 0:41:52.759 you know what I mean. 0:41:53.000 --> 0:41:56.160 Yeah, I was gonna say, but they were so red 0:41:56.239 --> 0:41:57.080 hot at the moment. 0:41:57.640 --> 0:42:00.800 Yeah, and they're like, well you can. We said we 0:42:01.080 --> 0:42:03.560 wanted to do at least half the album. He was like, 0:42:03.680 --> 0:42:07.680 well y'all can do the whole thing. We were like okay, okay, wow. 0:42:08.320 --> 0:42:11.120 So I mean that was you know, I don't think 0:42:11.160 --> 0:42:13.440 we would have gotten that, you know, any other label, 0:42:13.880 --> 0:42:14.359 you know what I mean? 0:42:14.960 --> 0:42:17.359 Yes, Like yeah, and then if they would have douced, 0:42:17.560 --> 0:42:19.759 y'all would have just sounded just like an R and B. 0:42:20.680 --> 0:42:26.279 Yeah yeah right basically. Yeah, So yeah, that was that's 0:42:26.320 --> 0:42:27.880 pretty nice. Yeah, gotcha. 0:42:29.000 --> 0:42:32.000 When y'all went into recording the first record, because we 0:42:32.080 --> 0:42:33.640 talked about are you free? 0:42:38.520 --> 0:42:41.120 I like, you, I like, are you free? I just 0:42:41.239 --> 0:42:44.040 didn't forget it. It was just one of those records. 0:42:44.880 --> 0:42:47.759 It came out, and then it was then when I heard, 0:42:48.440 --> 0:42:52.000 you know, the ballance stuff on the record. Why did 0:42:52.040 --> 0:42:55.400 they come with that first? What was the what was 0:42:55.440 --> 0:42:56.439 the thought? 0:42:57.120 --> 0:43:00.560 I guess here's the thing about you know, it just 0:43:00.760 --> 0:43:01.279 happened like this. 0:43:01.960 --> 0:43:08.480 We weren't really uh we became I guess, really good 0:43:08.520 --> 0:43:11.439 at doing ballads after we came out, but we didn't. 0:43:11.640 --> 0:43:13.759 All this stuff was all up temple. We like to 0:43:13.880 --> 0:43:15.440 dance and you know, all that kind of stuff, and 0:43:16.160 --> 0:43:17.759 you know, I used to be boying ourselves that. I 0:43:17.800 --> 0:43:20.279 was always energetic. So I was like, I was like, 0:43:20.320 --> 0:43:21.520 why are we going slow like that? 0:43:21.680 --> 0:43:21.719 What? 0:43:21.960 --> 0:43:24.880 You know, I was gonna say, for a band with 0:43:25.400 --> 0:43:28.000 such skilled musicianship or whatever, it was it frustrating that 0:43:28.960 --> 0:43:31.400 the songs that were really hitting bullseye with with the 0:43:31.480 --> 0:43:35.520 audience were the slow songs where you guys really couldn't it's. 0:43:35.360 --> 0:43:36.920 Flex that much on the fast joints. 0:43:37.360 --> 0:43:38.200 Yeah, I mean it was. 0:43:38.440 --> 0:43:40.120 It was at first it was like, man, this is 0:43:40.280 --> 0:43:43.080 you know, we didn't really understand why we couldn't. We 0:43:43.200 --> 0:43:45.120 just learned in the industry. It was like and say, look, man, 0:43:45.160 --> 0:43:47.840 you better take you know, if it's hidden, you got 0:43:47.960 --> 0:43:50.839 to flow with it, you know. But we hadn't learned 0:43:50.840 --> 0:43:53.239 that a little bit later, so that's find a live show, 0:43:53.280 --> 0:43:55.560 you said, Okay, we just still we do. But yeah, 0:43:55.600 --> 0:43:57.719 it was a little a little frustrating at first because 0:43:57.719 --> 0:43:59.360 it's like we tried, you know, people would want to 0:43:59.400 --> 0:44:03.080 hear what they want to hear year yeah, and be like, man, 0:44:03.160 --> 0:44:06.000 we can't even you know, we can't get what we 0:44:06.080 --> 0:44:08.200 want to do. So it was kind of it was 0:44:08.200 --> 0:44:10.399 a little weird at first. We had to learn where 0:44:10.640 --> 0:44:11.840 how to fit inside of that. 0:44:12.040 --> 0:44:14.760 You know, how did you guys learn to like agree? 0:44:14.880 --> 0:44:18.040 Like was there like a mint like voting system on 0:44:18.160 --> 0:44:18.760 all things? 0:44:18.880 --> 0:44:22.919 Like how did y'all what six people? Is anything? Ever? Democratic? Yeah? 0:44:23.040 --> 0:44:28.399 Like like from songs to like like I don't it's yeah, 0:44:28.480 --> 0:44:34.040 it's it's democratic. Is yeah, definitely democratic? And that's that 0:44:34.200 --> 0:44:37.040 can be frustrating too, you know, Yeah, being as. 0:44:37.000 --> 0:44:38.600 Though I used to have a relationship with them, I'm 0:44:38.640 --> 0:44:42.240 just saying, like, what is I mean? I can safely 0:44:42.320 --> 0:44:48.759 say that even in the root situation, it's like there's one, three, four, right, 0:44:49.680 --> 0:44:53.279 that seems really good I'm no, really, I've forgotten toak. Damn. 0:44:53.320 --> 0:44:53.680 That's bad. 0:44:57.040 --> 0:45:00.839 No, you know what, because to just get the final say, 0:45:01.280 --> 0:45:03.319 he gets a final say in the way that I don't. 0:45:03.680 --> 0:45:06.239 His final say is I can't write to about to say. 0:45:06.440 --> 0:45:08.880 He can't If he can't write to this, you know, 0:45:08.960 --> 0:45:13.040 it doesn't make sense. Only my only power is like, well, 0:45:13.200 --> 0:45:15.279 I can't come in the studio, so I'm working on 0:45:15.320 --> 0:45:19.920 this project. So but I'm just saying that there's clicks 0:45:21.160 --> 0:45:22.880 and so is it. 0:45:23.440 --> 0:45:27.319 But yours is a more uneven balanced than Stokelydell, Like. 0:45:28.360 --> 0:45:28.719 What's the. 0:45:30.560 --> 0:45:31.360 Balance of power? 0:45:32.320 --> 0:45:33.360 What's slithering Griffin? 0:45:34.960 --> 0:45:36.880 Did y'all have us because you know the roots? Do 0:45:37.000 --> 0:45:37.719 they have different buses? 0:45:37.760 --> 0:45:38.160 Slythering? 0:45:38.840 --> 0:45:42.640 No, I'm on the same bus, and you'll stay together 0:45:42.760 --> 0:45:43.399 this whole time. 0:45:43.719 --> 0:45:46.240 Yeah, we've we've had some healthy debates. 0:45:46.360 --> 0:45:52.239 Yeah, yo, you got ship. 0:45:52.880 --> 0:45:53.840 Yeah, I mean we used to go. 0:45:55.520 --> 0:45:58.960 Oh yeah, I know, I know what For those who 0:45:58.960 --> 0:46:06.080 didn't see that, Yeah, there was some in the beginning, 0:46:06.600 --> 0:46:09.839 Like in the beginning, how do you But you've known 0:46:09.840 --> 0:46:12.600 each other since high school, so you should already know 0:46:12.640 --> 0:46:15.040 the personalities. You know who's going to be on CP time, 0:46:16.040 --> 0:46:18.680 you know whose girls saying that you should be rude 0:46:19.719 --> 0:46:22.520 and you know, fighting over this girl and that girl. 0:46:22.560 --> 0:46:25.440 Why are you cock blocking? Whatever? Like how do you. 0:46:27.200 --> 0:46:27.680 Who are you? 0:46:28.160 --> 0:46:30.439 Are you guys friends? Yeah? 0:46:30.520 --> 0:46:33.400 I mean I'm I'm I'm kind of like the cleanup 0:46:33.680 --> 0:46:38.160 clean up guy, utility a little bit whatever the holes 0:46:38.239 --> 0:46:44.200 need feeling, you know, Yeah, which is great for me 0:46:44.280 --> 0:46:46.600 because it's it's been like a university truth for me. 0:46:46.840 --> 0:46:49.399 I mean, it's just, you know, I think I can 0:46:49.800 --> 0:46:54.400 write in the spirit of everybody, because you know, everybody's 0:46:54.400 --> 0:46:57.719 a writer and producer and their own right. So a 0:46:57.880 --> 0:47:02.880 lot of these songs, they were like, Okay, we're going 0:47:02.920 --> 0:47:04.040 to produce a vocal this way. 0:47:04.160 --> 0:47:07.560 So I've been that vessel for them, you know what 0:47:07.600 --> 0:47:07.799 I mean. 0:47:07.840 --> 0:47:10.759 And so I feel like that's an added advantage I have, 0:47:10.880 --> 0:47:13.359 so I can, you know, kind of whatever they were thinking, 0:47:13.560 --> 0:47:16.000 I want this. It's not something I would do, you know, 0:47:16.080 --> 0:47:17.600 but I was like, okay, wow. So I had to 0:47:17.680 --> 0:47:21.840 learn that and be patient and so the other patients 0:47:21.920 --> 0:47:24.000 for me had to come in kick in hard. 0:47:24.080 --> 0:47:27.080 But so what's the division of labor amongst the band members? 0:47:28.120 --> 0:47:30.520 His glass rehearsals. Who organizes? 0:47:32.400 --> 0:47:36.120 I would say that everybody comes with grooves first of all, 0:47:36.239 --> 0:47:38.879 like oh Dell, he's like the top of the funk master, 0:47:39.480 --> 0:47:42.160 you know, p funk rock and roll. 0:47:43.800 --> 0:47:45.759 Rick is like the. 0:47:47.239 --> 0:47:49.600 Kind of saying funk rock and roll with really good 0:47:49.719 --> 0:47:52.160 rock and roll edge. It writes from a lot of 0:47:52.400 --> 0:47:55.719 narrative standpoint, you know, stuff that happens to him, that 0:47:55.880 --> 0:47:56.319 kind of thing. 0:47:57.600 --> 0:48:01.080 Larry's more related, you know. 0:48:01.320 --> 0:48:06.840 His thing is he's perfectionist, incredible keyboard player, and great songwriter. 0:48:08.520 --> 0:48:12.560 So he's kind of all over in that area. Jeff 0:48:12.719 --> 0:48:16.600 is kind of like he's got a lot of bridge 0:48:16.600 --> 0:48:19.080 It's really interesting chor changes and things like that. 0:48:19.160 --> 0:48:22.480 It's interesting thoughts, you know. As far as songwriting as well. 0:48:22.960 --> 0:48:28.280 I'm kind of like I like to arrange beats. 0:48:28.640 --> 0:48:31.800 Is my funny thing is like my I love like 0:48:32.239 --> 0:48:36.120 rhythm beats, you know, say like that's just first before 0:48:36.160 --> 0:48:36.799 the singing. 0:48:36.520 --> 0:48:36.840 And all that. 0:48:36.960 --> 0:48:40.200 So it's I'm just kind of like, you know, whatever 0:48:40.239 --> 0:48:43.680 holes need feeling, you know. That's that's way I can 0:48:43.760 --> 0:48:44.520 explain it, I guess. 0:48:45.200 --> 0:48:48.799 And how do you know when a song is done 0:48:49.040 --> 0:48:51.040 and going to make it to the album, are you 0:48:51.160 --> 0:48:53.879 guys A let's do thirty songs and have a vote 0:48:53.920 --> 0:48:58.520 on the best yeah, and then how do you campaign 0:48:58.560 --> 0:49:03.120 your song that's with the problem? Yeah? Yeah, okay, so 0:49:03.280 --> 0:49:03.520 what's it? 0:49:03.640 --> 0:49:04.160 Unpopular? 0:49:04.840 --> 0:49:07.320 Some stuff is just unanimous. You're like, okay, this is 0:49:07.360 --> 0:49:10.360 definitely gonna you got some stuff that because it's like, okay, 0:49:10.440 --> 0:49:13.000 we got to let other people besides us listen the 0:49:13.120 --> 0:49:15.920 feel and so that's good and bad sometimes because then 0:49:16.000 --> 0:49:21.480 you know, depending on who who's people you know see 0:49:21.520 --> 0:49:22.040 But isn't it. 0:49:22.080 --> 0:49:25.239 Good to have a producer for that because I see 0:49:25.280 --> 0:49:26.600 a producer more as a referee. 0:49:27.160 --> 0:49:31.759 Yeah, yeah, I hear you. Yeah and mhm for that reason, Yeah, 0:49:31.800 --> 0:49:33.440 definitely would it would be good. But we were our 0:49:33.480 --> 0:49:35.480 own referee sometimes, so not. 0:49:36.080 --> 0:49:39.960 Yeah, do you recommend that for future practice? I mean 0:49:40.640 --> 0:49:41.960 twenty years later, like do you? 0:49:42.680 --> 0:49:43.200 It depends? 0:49:43.480 --> 0:49:46.800 I mean, I think if you have an outside ear afterward. 0:49:46.880 --> 0:49:48.920 You know, we started getting that a little bit more 0:49:49.000 --> 0:49:52.480 than not so because we knew that we needed that. 0:49:52.560 --> 0:49:55.120 It's like, okay, we can't just be insulated like that. 0:49:55.239 --> 0:49:57.200 It's got to be other people that realize, you know, 0:49:57.680 --> 0:50:01.000 it's get some you know people. I would always say, 0:50:01.000 --> 0:50:03.000 you know people some friends and friends who I don't know, 0:50:03.600 --> 0:50:07.000 so they're out of it. They don't have any Yeah, 0:50:07.000 --> 0:50:07.960 you know what I mean, can you. 0:50:08.760 --> 0:50:14.520 Name a Mint classic that either you felt indifferent about 0:50:16.120 --> 0:50:19.759 or didn't like that wound up winning verses or like 0:50:19.960 --> 0:50:22.040 them saying they didn't like I don't like pretty brown lines. 0:50:23.080 --> 0:50:28.680 I think all of the hits were pretty unanimous. Where 0:50:30.120 --> 0:50:32.080 where it was really jacked up. It's like the people 0:50:32.120 --> 0:50:37.400 at the company like stuff like so fine, like pretty 0:50:37.480 --> 0:50:38.880 much all of its. So like when we first got 0:50:38.920 --> 0:50:40.960 the deal, it's like when you know, when MC I 0:50:41.040 --> 0:50:42.239 heard its like now that would have been on the 0:50:42.280 --> 0:50:48.719 demo it was, you know, swing, and it's like it's okay, 0:50:49.560 --> 0:50:53.040 really okay, a lot of these you know, So, I 0:50:53.120 --> 0:50:55.279 mean it was it was kind of like that people 0:50:55.320 --> 0:50:56.719 that at the label that would hear's like you know, 0:50:56.840 --> 0:50:58.680 I mean we did Turning so fine. 0:50:58.680 --> 0:51:01.200 You're like when if you're the guitarre so nobody does 0:51:01.280 --> 0:51:02.600 guitar solos. 0:51:02.600 --> 0:51:05.360 Like wow, there's all the more reason for us to 0:51:05.400 --> 0:51:06.120 do it. Yeah. 0:51:06.280 --> 0:51:09.120 So, I mean you're Ernie Eisley and you know, these 0:51:09.200 --> 0:51:13.080 great people. So yeah, it was more so the people 0:51:13.160 --> 0:51:15.200 at the labels. I think, like as far as the hits, 0:51:15.840 --> 0:51:19.120 we we knew, you know, Jam and Lewis, we definitely 0:51:19.120 --> 0:51:22.399 they would be like, okay, you talk about outside ear. 0:51:22.440 --> 0:51:24.680 They would definitely be like, Okay, look, you all need 0:51:24.800 --> 0:51:29.400 to think about this one, or you know, or not 0:51:29.560 --> 0:51:31.840 do so many chords on this you that kind of thing, so, 0:51:32.560 --> 0:51:35.359 you know, which was definitely we learned a lot from them. 0:51:35.400 --> 0:51:38.480 I mean absolutely they knew exactly they had that magic. 0:51:43.440 --> 0:51:46.520 First album was meant to be meant Yeah. So the 0:51:46.600 --> 0:51:52.240 beginning of it, what were your were you guys personal goals? 0:51:52.280 --> 0:51:54.920 I mean, I know everyone's like world domination. 0:51:55.040 --> 0:51:55.120 But. 0:51:56.800 --> 0:51:58.880 For you, was it just like, yo, we want to 0:51:58.960 --> 0:52:01.680 be like the best black plan ever. Or was it 0:52:01.800 --> 0:52:04.879 like yo, we want to be on that pop level shit? 0:52:05.120 --> 0:52:07.719 Or I think it was you know, we just had 0:52:07.800 --> 0:52:12.040 Join and craft Man just creating. I think part of 0:52:12.160 --> 0:52:14.360 our thing was just we didn't really care about anything 0:52:14.400 --> 0:52:16.239 else but the music. You just wanted to be tight 0:52:16.360 --> 0:52:19.759 and funky and just have an impact. And I think 0:52:19.880 --> 0:52:23.120 that's partly why, like the show was what it was. 0:52:23.200 --> 0:52:25.160 We worked so hard on that, and then we learned 0:52:25.239 --> 0:52:27.600 as we went in the studio, I was discovering my voice. 0:52:27.960 --> 0:52:30.040 Like if you listening to the first album, like to 0:52:30.120 --> 0:52:32.440 the last Couple, you can list all the vocals are 0:52:32.520 --> 0:52:35.239 very tight, and arranging everything is saying, you know, the 0:52:35.280 --> 0:52:37.600 way formally really really tightened is that I got I'm like, 0:52:37.640 --> 0:52:39.000 you know, you got to lett some life in here 0:52:39.680 --> 0:52:41.799 and you breathe. I think that's just that first time, 0:52:42.440 --> 0:52:45.080 you know, doing the ceedy, You're excited and everything. Everybody's 0:52:45.080 --> 0:52:46.600 on edge because you want to be perfect. 0:52:46.840 --> 0:52:49.560 Yeah. Well, I'm just asking because the early nineties also, 0:52:49.960 --> 0:52:53.000 you know, there's a lot of black artists that had 0:52:53.120 --> 0:52:56.279 like breakout records and suddenly they're selling in the five 0:52:56.440 --> 0:52:59.799 and six and seven millions. So I know that's hard 0:53:00.040 --> 0:53:04.000 to ignore. But were you guys say we're gonna stay 0:53:04.000 --> 0:53:06.480 in our lane and we know that like a cat 0:53:06.600 --> 0:53:11.440 like Prince rejected Soul Train four times because I don't 0:53:11.480 --> 0:53:13.759 want to be pegged as a soul artist. I want 0:53:13.840 --> 0:53:18.279 bandstand in solid Like, So, were you guys fine with like, 0:53:18.400 --> 0:53:23.360 okay being BT Staples and not? I mean, eventually you 0:53:23.400 --> 0:53:25.359 guys made it on like MTV jams and that sort 0:53:25.360 --> 0:53:25.600 of thing. 0:53:25.760 --> 0:53:28.120 But yeah, I mean got to understand though too. 0:53:28.160 --> 0:53:31.800 I mean, you know, it was being a band, some 0:53:32.400 --> 0:53:34.920 of our exposure was limited just because it's hard to 0:53:35.000 --> 0:53:37.000 move a band, you know, and we got to we 0:53:37.040 --> 0:53:38.879 even had a thing Exam Lewis at one point because 0:53:38.880 --> 0:53:41.120 it's like, you know, the first few gigs, you're like, look, 0:53:41.600 --> 0:53:43.480 we got to get you all out here, you know, 0:53:43.560 --> 0:53:45.200 because at one point they were doing out of their 0:53:45.239 --> 0:53:47.720 pocket because A and M they had a joint venture 0:53:47.760 --> 0:53:50.560 with them. They don't believe, they don't get they don't know, right, 0:53:50.760 --> 0:53:52.480 So we got to get you all out here because 0:53:52.480 --> 0:53:53.319 you know, are you free? 0:53:53.920 --> 0:53:57.080 Wasn't free? You say, you know, you know it was 0:53:57.080 --> 0:54:00.440 going on. Sorry, So we got to get y'all out 0:54:00.480 --> 0:54:04.560 here so they would have us doing these track shows. 0:54:04.680 --> 0:54:08.040 You know, how do you and so what we did, okay, 0:54:08.080 --> 0:54:09.360 we got to do that. We're gonna go back and 0:54:09.400 --> 0:54:14.000 remix everything. And that's when the whole you know, Teddy Riley, 0:54:14.080 --> 0:54:16.480 the whole now his whole sound was really prominentent and 0:54:16.640 --> 0:54:19.239 so everybody was dancing and you know, we had a 0:54:19.239 --> 0:54:23.600 lot of choreography back then, and so the pretty yeah, 0:54:23.719 --> 0:54:26.719 pretty much but with the instruments and uh. We were 0:54:26.760 --> 0:54:31.880 doing that until we got to Houston and after the 0:54:32.080 --> 0:54:37.800 show we were getting into the van, heard some do 0:54:37.920 --> 0:54:39.799 that fucking computers. 0:54:40.920 --> 0:54:41.720 This ain't even playing. 0:54:41.880 --> 0:54:45.160 I was like, oh, ship, that's it, that's that's it 0:54:45.440 --> 0:54:47.520 like we gotta we just defeats our whole purpose was 0:54:47.520 --> 0:54:50.120 supposed to be a band like na man, damn. So 0:54:50.320 --> 0:54:53.080 that one Heckler, Yeah, that one. Yeah, thank you Heckler, 0:54:53.200 --> 0:54:57.040 thank you truth. Yeah, it was real real And then 0:54:57.080 --> 0:54:58.719 it hit me. I was like, man, that's he's right. 0:54:59.400 --> 0:54:59.560 You know. 0:54:59.680 --> 0:55:02.160 He just felt like I was. You know, I wouldn't 0:55:02.160 --> 0:55:04.960 my mic would be on, but it was just like 0:55:05.080 --> 0:55:07.080 it did. It wasn't real. Life is live, man. You 0:55:07.160 --> 0:55:09.640 couldn't extend nothing. It's like the track is the track 0:55:09.719 --> 0:55:10.960 and that's it, you know. 0:55:11.520 --> 0:55:16.399 Speaking of Houston, hmm, the world's crazy as human being 0:55:16.600 --> 0:55:17.440 lives in Houston. 0:55:18.680 --> 0:55:19.840 How does he wind up? 0:55:20.840 --> 0:55:21.000 Uh? 0:55:21.640 --> 0:55:24.759 In the in in the Mint family. Speaking of Chris 0:55:24.920 --> 0:55:27.279 Daddy Dave, Chris Dadlin Dave. 0:55:29.120 --> 0:55:32.600 He met him at Howard University and while we were 0:55:33.440 --> 0:55:37.919 while was going down to charts, we put down put 0:55:37.960 --> 0:55:42.000 out uh Breaking my Heart Pretty Brown Eyes, which was 0:55:42.040 --> 0:55:42.640 going down. 0:55:42.520 --> 0:55:46.760 To charts as well. So yeah, until when we get out. 0:55:46.600 --> 0:55:49.000 In a winter bagel and we went to all the 0:55:49.160 --> 0:55:53.279 HBCUs in the country. Yeah, And so we got to 0:55:53.360 --> 0:55:57.160 Howard University and this was around the time too, where 0:55:57.600 --> 0:55:59.880 you know that I'm telling you about Michael Blant. So 0:55:59.920 --> 0:56:03.160 we had a uh drummer, A couple of drummers filling 0:56:03.200 --> 0:56:05.120 in correct down Friols. 0:56:05.120 --> 0:56:05.440 What's up? 0:56:05.760 --> 0:56:07.319 So you weren't going to fill Collins this ship? 0:56:08.239 --> 0:56:10.880 No, because at that time I felt like, I know, 0:56:10.960 --> 0:56:13.360 way I can I can't. I felt I started to 0:56:13.440 --> 0:56:17.040 feel differently perform. I started to come into it a 0:56:17.080 --> 0:56:21.120 little bit more, you know. I was still I loved 0:56:21.160 --> 0:56:23.680 the state I couldn't. I could express myself definitely. I 0:56:23.800 --> 0:56:26.000 was learning all about how to perform and. 0:56:26.040 --> 0:56:26.680 That kind of thing. 0:56:26.800 --> 0:56:29.320 So I was like, I couldn't you know, I couldn't 0:56:29.320 --> 0:56:31.279 do it. I feel I would feel confined, you know. 0:56:33.120 --> 0:56:35.280 Plus none of the girls go for the drummer. 0:56:37.680 --> 0:56:40.520 Put the drums in front, man come to the front, 0:56:41.280 --> 0:56:41.880 to the side. 0:56:42.120 --> 0:56:42.319 Yeah. 0:56:44.440 --> 0:56:47.680 So yeah, it it was at Howard University and jelly 0:56:47.760 --> 0:56:49.400 Beans Johnson was out with us. 0:56:50.320 --> 0:56:50.680 Yeah he was. 0:56:50.800 --> 0:56:51.600 He was playing with y'all. 0:56:51.680 --> 0:56:54.000 Yeah, playing with us. Yeah, yeah, it was. It was real. 0:56:54.680 --> 0:56:57.000 And he he went into one of the practice room 0:56:57.000 --> 0:56:59.160 He's like, yeah, man, it's something, dude. Man. He sounded 0:56:59.160 --> 0:56:59.880 like Michael Blad you got. 0:57:00.600 --> 0:57:04.160 I was like really a little dude, And I was like, okay, 0:57:04.600 --> 0:57:06.560 but I don't I think I don't know if I 0:57:06.680 --> 0:57:08.719 met him. Then we were on the road and we 0:57:08.840 --> 0:57:12.520 got to Uh. I remember speaking to him. I called 0:57:12.600 --> 0:57:15.520 him when we got to l A and we were 0:57:15.560 --> 0:57:20.200 doing the Disneyland Grad Nights and the Crazy Story too. 0:57:20.240 --> 0:57:22.800 I think I'm like, this is just off. 0:57:23.520 --> 0:57:25.480 Anything with Chris Dave is definitely crazy. 0:57:25.840 --> 0:57:26.560 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:57:26.720 --> 0:57:29.479 Now I was thinking about the Grad Knights. I remember 0:57:29.560 --> 0:57:31.760 Leila Hathaway to, yeah, did you play my grad Knights? 0:57:31.800 --> 0:57:34.960 Like what? Oh wow? That was crazy? 0:57:35.080 --> 0:57:36.000 Yeah crazy. 0:57:36.080 --> 0:57:38.520 So yeah, Disney that grad Nights and I ended up color. 0:57:38.520 --> 0:57:40.960 I was like, you know, man, yeah, I have heard 0:57:41.000 --> 0:57:42.880 about you, and if you can just send me, you know, 0:57:43.040 --> 0:57:45.960 just send me something slow, something made, something fast. 0:57:45.800 --> 0:57:51.560 And you know he's like, okay, yeah man, yeah here's 0:57:51.600 --> 0:57:56.880 a voice. Yes yeah, And so it was like okay, cool. 0:57:56.920 --> 0:57:59.160 But it wasn't until you know, I really audition up 0:57:59.200 --> 0:58:04.080 in a flight time and yeahs, cred ahead, chops and everything. 0:58:04.160 --> 0:58:06.840 At that point, I'm just like, Okay, all I need 0:58:06.880 --> 0:58:08.840 you to do right now is I want to feel 0:58:08.920 --> 0:58:13.320 this rise and move like play harder, you know, play harder, 0:58:13.400 --> 0:58:15.840 because I think it was more jazz reinly t killing, 0:58:16.000 --> 0:58:18.800 you know, I like play hard and we're gonna play long. 0:58:18.840 --> 0:58:22.040 And we had these super thick arrangements at the time, 0:58:23.680 --> 0:58:24.520 some of them recorded. 0:58:24.560 --> 0:58:26.240 But he's like, you know, he could handle it. 0:58:26.840 --> 0:58:33.640 Was he that abstract even back, and I didn't even 0:58:33.800 --> 0:58:36.560 start seeing him droning until like maybe like two thousand 0:58:36.560 --> 0:58:38.680 and four, two thousand and five. Okay, I had heard 0:58:38.720 --> 0:58:41.760 about we did one gig with you guys in like Seattle, 0:58:44.640 --> 0:58:47.040 or at least all you guys were there, like we 0:58:47.520 --> 0:58:49.640 that's the first time I met you guys in Seattle, 0:58:49.800 --> 0:58:53.600 but you guys had even y'all there the night before 0:58:53.720 --> 0:58:56.040 or something or whatever. That's the first time my man. 0:58:56.040 --> 0:58:57.560 I was like, oh, I've heard of you, Chris Dave. 0:58:57.720 --> 0:59:01.720 But yeah, well he was, you know, we've playing R 0:59:01.720 --> 0:59:03.520 and B stuff, So I mean, that's the gig, is 0:59:03.560 --> 0:59:06.720 what it is. It's kind of somewhat theatrical, but it was, 0:59:06.920 --> 0:59:08.480 you know, we need you to hit that. 0:59:09.080 --> 0:59:13.840 I know he's known for he's an awesome pocket, but 0:59:14.600 --> 0:59:17.120 his calling card and his reputation is based on coloring 0:59:17.160 --> 0:59:18.000 outside of the lines. 0:59:18.480 --> 0:59:18.840 For sure. 0:59:18.960 --> 0:59:26.840 How in a group so uh disciplined and it's in 0:59:26.960 --> 0:59:30.240 it in its songs, it's how did that? 0:59:30.600 --> 0:59:32.720 How it was it fits because I call it like 0:59:32.800 --> 0:59:35.760 pocket aggressive, where it's like, okay, there's parameters because sometimes 0:59:36.320 --> 0:59:38.200 we've auditioned drummers in the past they just think it's 0:59:38.240 --> 0:59:39.920 like you go wow, because you know, it's like no, 0:59:40.240 --> 0:59:43.480 there's certain stop signs, you know, from between. 0:59:43.240 --> 0:59:43.760 Here and here. 0:59:44.120 --> 0:59:46.800 This is just here's where you start out, and there's 0:59:46.800 --> 0:59:48.160 a couple of things and then you have to know 0:59:48.800 --> 0:59:50.400 here you can kind of do what you want, but 0:59:50.560 --> 0:59:53.760 make it tasteful, you know. But sometimes there's certain drummers 0:59:53.760 --> 0:59:55.480 of the song like oh, they're just going off like no, 0:59:56.120 --> 0:59:58.640 it's it's not you got to play the music. It's 0:59:58.760 --> 1:00:00.800 like you know, solo and is like with five percent, 1:00:01.040 --> 1:00:03.560 but I'm just really interested and you know, you got 1:00:03.680 --> 1:00:05.520 to most of the times playing trying to play with 1:00:05.600 --> 1:00:09.960 the ensemble make your head brought, you know, And yeah 1:00:10.040 --> 1:00:10.360 he did that. 1:00:10.480 --> 1:00:12.520 It was just like, you know, we'd have. 1:00:12.600 --> 1:00:14.440 Our part where we do a little little drum battle 1:00:14.440 --> 1:00:16.280 and all that kind of stuff, so which was cool, 1:00:16.360 --> 1:00:18.760 but a lot of it too. We spent a lot 1:00:18.760 --> 1:00:21.160 of time because he lived with me for off and 1:00:21.280 --> 1:00:23.480 on for a couple of years, and we would just 1:00:23.720 --> 1:00:27.480 shed you know, and just kind of exchange ideas. And 1:00:27.920 --> 1:00:29.640 it's so funny because a lot of ideas I hear 1:00:29.760 --> 1:00:32.040 now is just kind of like, you know, just kind 1:00:32.080 --> 1:00:33.560 of the color and I like, I say, coloring outside 1:00:33.560 --> 1:00:35.280 of the line. As far as the tempo changes, you know, 1:00:35.400 --> 1:00:38.040 with inside four four time and all that kind of 1:00:38.080 --> 1:00:42.480 stuff is it's become like a thing ye hear drummer's 1:00:42.560 --> 1:00:42.880 doing now. 1:00:43.440 --> 1:00:45.200 But that was just was just kind of messing around. 1:00:45.280 --> 1:00:47.200 I was like, Wow, that's cool. 1:00:47.560 --> 1:00:51.600 Whose idea was it? One of your most probably iconic moments. 1:00:51.680 --> 1:00:53.520 I remember whose idea was it? 1:00:53.600 --> 1:01:00.600 To have half the go to knew the video? 1:01:01.480 --> 1:01:03.160 Please remember the audition of how. 1:01:04.640 --> 1:01:06.960 Like he was like a newscaster or he was like 1:01:07.000 --> 1:01:07.720 a broadcaster. 1:01:07.960 --> 1:01:08.960 He was a broadcast. 1:01:09.440 --> 1:01:11.480 Yeah, he was singing in front of the TVs and 1:01:11.560 --> 1:01:13.520 then came under knows. 1:01:14.280 --> 1:01:26.280 Yes, I'm sorry, I know. 1:01:26.400 --> 1:01:26.960 It wasn't. 1:01:29.480 --> 1:01:37.480 Who was this dude just trying to find a ledge man? No, 1:01:37.640 --> 1:01:39.440 that was that was my version of Ilande. I wasn't 1:01:39.440 --> 1:01:44.240 gonna dolines half a bid, you know, shaven man. 1:01:45.320 --> 1:01:47.720 You know, but that video was a whole raror because 1:01:47.720 --> 1:01:50.120 I was just thinking about how I remember the call 1:01:50.280 --> 1:01:52.560 the model call in d C at Howard y'all had 1:01:52.560 --> 1:01:55.800 a whole relationship with Howard in that way where that 1:01:56.200 --> 1:01:56.720 y'all did. 1:01:56.640 --> 1:01:58.000 The The girl was from d C. 1:01:58.280 --> 1:01:58.600 That's right. 1:01:58.680 --> 1:02:01.000 Yeah, we did a the video contest. 1:02:01.160 --> 1:02:02.480 We won it. Yeah. Yeah. 1:02:02.520 --> 1:02:04.160 So it was that senior year. I remember because I 1:02:04.200 --> 1:02:05.920 slow grind across the street at the A k. A 1:02:06.040 --> 1:02:08.520 House to Pretty Eyes the first time I ever got 1:02:08.560 --> 1:02:12.720 felt us. It was really and everybody else was in 1:02:12.760 --> 1:02:13.840 the coat line because it was the end of the 1:02:13.880 --> 1:02:15.520 party or whatever, but he wanted dance with me one 1:02:15.520 --> 1:02:18.240 more time before the door closing. Pretty Brown Eyes came 1:02:18.280 --> 1:02:19.280 on Forever Your Eyes. 1:02:21.280 --> 1:02:21.880 I just had. 1:02:23.920 --> 1:02:23.960 That. 1:02:24.120 --> 1:02:30.360 It meant like, I'm sorry, all right, okay, what kind 1:02:30.400 --> 1:02:34.120 of man we're gonna get that you don't slow ground 1:02:34.160 --> 1:02:34.280 to that? 1:02:35.160 --> 1:02:35.360 Yeah? 1:02:35.520 --> 1:02:35.640 Right? 1:02:36.000 --> 1:02:43.760 If people could get married to pretty wings, why can't 1:02:43.840 --> 1:02:45.920 you slow ground? What kind of man? 1:02:46.040 --> 1:02:54.920 Was just awkward lyrics as we listen to those, though 1:02:54.920 --> 1:02:57.040 we listened to the condition lyrics. I feel like it's 1:02:57.080 --> 1:02:59.160 the hole at least the hook, you know. 1:02:59.240 --> 1:03:02.000 The Earth on fire reason story. Yeah, we gave up 1:03:02.040 --> 1:03:04.360 two million dollars once the couple found out what it meant, 1:03:04.560 --> 1:03:08.640 like what a couple wanted the earth winding fire Rich 1:03:08.720 --> 1:03:12.919 couple comes singing reasons at their wedding and really opened 1:03:13.040 --> 1:03:15.000 his mouth, was like you sure, and they're like why, 1:03:15.160 --> 1:03:19.560 It's like just about cheating and that's it. It was 1:03:20.880 --> 1:03:27.320 lost two million dollars. Yeah wow, I mean we loved 1:03:27.400 --> 1:03:32.520 every every song is about for you, all the sweet. 1:03:32.680 --> 1:03:36.280 Except for pretty Brown hold on just breaking his heart? 1:03:36.480 --> 1:03:36.720 Yeah. 1:03:37.000 --> 1:04:01.160 Fuck the condition to the Sie sage one as we 1:04:01.320 --> 1:04:08.480 lay this morning putting on a playlist called songs for 1:04:08.920 --> 1:04:10.200 February fifty. 1:04:13.360 --> 1:04:23.240 The week the weekend before the seventh February. Oh, we 1:04:23.400 --> 1:04:23.720 told her. 1:04:25.400 --> 1:04:26.320 I wouldn't know that about that. 1:04:26.440 --> 1:04:28.600 Yeah, February thirtieth. Baby, I'm sorry. 1:04:30.640 --> 1:04:30.800 Man. 1:04:31.280 --> 1:04:36.960 Wait is there a black love song that pledges black 1:04:37.080 --> 1:04:42.439 love and commitment without being the side piece or music? 1:04:42.800 --> 1:04:45.840 I celebrate my love, yeah, spending my life? 1:04:46.000 --> 1:04:49.240 Yeah, but your hair ship is it? Just do me baby? 1:04:49.360 --> 1:04:49.600 That's it? 1:04:50.520 --> 1:04:51.200 And sat. 1:04:53.360 --> 1:04:54.200 Was that well. 1:04:54.480 --> 1:04:55.760 I don't think somebody. 1:04:55.680 --> 1:04:57.320 Second verse the HR though. 1:04:57.800 --> 1:05:02.520 If he shows you, I feel like you're in the 1:05:02.600 --> 1:05:08.280 office and you don't go to HRY. 1:05:09.080 --> 1:05:12.560 Do you ever think you have HR conversation at NBC? 1:05:12.800 --> 1:05:14.800 I know you do now, but like before, every day 1:05:14.840 --> 1:05:16.760 in my life, no, every day in my life is 1:05:16.840 --> 1:05:20.680 how not to go to HR the principals off with. 1:05:21.200 --> 1:05:24.479 The second record, I thought that that was where. 1:05:25.840 --> 1:05:28.000 That was the first record that I listened to like 1:05:28.200 --> 1:05:30.480 all the way down, like complete, and that was probably 1:05:30.480 --> 1:05:32.760 the one that I just played because I felt like 1:05:32.840 --> 1:05:35.320 y'all got your up tempo game right and it was 1:05:35.480 --> 1:05:38.160 really good songs and just everything was dope. What was 1:05:38.200 --> 1:05:41.440 the process between the first record to the second record? 1:05:42.200 --> 1:05:44.560 Well, I guess we'd heard about this sophomore Jenks thing 1:05:45.560 --> 1:05:47.600 with that. Didn't know what it was, what does that mean? 1:05:47.840 --> 1:05:51.400 Just you know, we just said, look, we all come 1:05:51.480 --> 1:05:54.200 with the best songs we can come with. 1:05:54.400 --> 1:05:54.560 You know. 1:05:54.640 --> 1:05:55.720 We were just really. 1:05:58.240 --> 1:06:01.360 Really focused, you know, and having that and we went 1:06:01.400 --> 1:06:04.040 through that process of like, Okay, no, this doesn't sound good. 1:06:04.320 --> 1:06:06.960 And I think at that point, at that point, each 1:06:07.040 --> 1:06:09.120 one of us knew what you know, we were bringing. 1:06:09.360 --> 1:06:10.080 It had to be good. 1:06:10.160 --> 1:06:12.120 And I think we'd learned so much from you know, 1:06:12.240 --> 1:06:14.280 touring from the first album and then first somehow that 1:06:14.400 --> 1:06:18.360 didn't what was really resonating with everybody and it's like, Okay, 1:06:18.480 --> 1:06:20.800 we we really gotta get. 1:06:21.000 --> 1:06:22.480 That, get that up so our tone game. 1:06:23.240 --> 1:06:27.120 I'm a tone dudes, like like drum sounds, keyboard sounds, 1:06:27.720 --> 1:06:29.360 all that kind of stuff had to be on points. 1:06:29.400 --> 1:06:33.040 So I think that was all, you know, part of 1:06:33.120 --> 1:06:34.680 that it was, that was the sum of it. 1:06:34.800 --> 1:06:39.960 You know, what's how's your engineer? Steve Hodges, Jimmy James, 1:06:41.320 --> 1:06:42.520 did you work with you guys at all? 1:06:42.920 --> 1:06:45.880 He would kind of oversee because I was, always, like 1:06:45.920 --> 1:06:48.160 I said, interested and it sounds like, for instance, like 1:06:48.280 --> 1:06:51.320 the remember like the drum tones on what kind of man. 1:06:51.840 --> 1:06:55.800 We worked a little bit on that, and I'm just 1:06:55.880 --> 1:06:59.400 kind of watching what he did. But yet amazing, amazing technician. 1:06:59.480 --> 1:06:59.640 Man. 1:06:59.800 --> 1:07:04.400 Just what studio did you guys record on flight Time? Yeah? 1:07:05.360 --> 1:07:09.000 Yeah, not oh yeah. It was a four studios up 1:07:09.040 --> 1:07:11.960 in there. It was jamming them had their studio. There 1:07:11.960 --> 1:07:14.280 were Studio A was a smaller studio, which I love 1:07:14.360 --> 1:07:16.440 them in their studio, you know, studio scene in the 1:07:16.440 --> 1:07:18.640 studio was a bigger studio. Steve Hodge had his own 1:07:19.440 --> 1:07:22.960 studio and that he mixed primarily in there. But it's 1:07:22.960 --> 1:07:23.400 four of them. 1:07:23.600 --> 1:07:25.600 Is that still in operating in Minnesota? 1:07:25.680 --> 1:07:26.360 It's up there. 1:07:26.640 --> 1:07:31.800 It's uh, Paul Peterson is over there now, Saint Paul 1:07:32.000 --> 1:07:35.280 in the family. But some of the boys they used 1:07:35.280 --> 1:07:37.040 to have Harrison Boys, and so there was all gone 1:07:37.080 --> 1:07:39.600 now and they have different you know, because you don't 1:07:39.640 --> 1:07:40.320 need those big boys. 1:07:40.360 --> 1:07:42.800 And more so during that time, what were some of 1:07:42.840 --> 1:07:44.920 the other projects that were being worked on while you 1:07:44.920 --> 1:07:46.040 guys are in the studio. 1:07:50.480 --> 1:07:54.360 Because you're playing on my Ship? Yeah? 1:07:54.440 --> 1:07:55.080 Yeah, what did I do? 1:07:55.240 --> 1:07:55.439 Yeah? 1:07:55.480 --> 1:07:58.720 Ye, he's on the Body that Loves You to. 1:08:00.320 --> 1:08:02.520 Some of that stuff. Man, I would I would do 1:08:02.640 --> 1:08:05.080 those sessions and not know where the song was going. 1:08:05.520 --> 1:08:07.520 Were you guys the band for what Will I Do? 1:08:09.360 --> 1:08:09.400 No? 1:08:10.000 --> 1:08:11.720 No, not that one. You just dreamed on it. 1:08:11.840 --> 1:08:16.800 But I need a remix and I can't remember. Yeah, 1:08:16.840 --> 1:08:19.000 I ended up on it was a giant thing, for sure, 1:08:19.479 --> 1:08:22.560 that must be what. There was so much stuff I 1:08:22.600 --> 1:08:24.439 don't know, some of it don't even know. 1:08:25.080 --> 1:08:27.760 On that album, man, talk about ten million strong. Like 1:08:27.920 --> 1:08:28.439 that song. 1:08:28.640 --> 1:08:30.439 I used to put that when I would make my 1:08:30.560 --> 1:08:35.040 slow jam tapes Midnight. 1:08:37.160 --> 1:08:41.640 I loved doing like my Cake, my cake tapes. I 1:08:41.840 --> 1:08:43.120 kept that tape. 1:08:43.240 --> 1:08:44.120 Yeah, that was like. 1:08:45.960 --> 1:08:47.760 My cake tape was what you made, you know what 1:08:47.800 --> 1:08:50.360 I'm saying. When you it was your music for when 1:08:50.400 --> 1:08:51.479 you was on the phone. 1:08:51.520 --> 1:08:53.719 Cake that cake. 1:08:55.320 --> 1:08:56.760 Cake, So that was what it was. 1:08:57.040 --> 1:09:00.640 So I kept that song on like that made several iterations, 1:09:03.320 --> 1:09:03.880 you know what I'm. 1:09:03.720 --> 1:09:09.400 Saying, talk about that multivo Where were you? What was yall? Only? 1:09:09.479 --> 1:09:10.639 I did that? I love that record. 1:09:10.840 --> 1:09:13.719 That one was influenced. I was listening to this this composer, 1:09:13.840 --> 1:09:18.360 Japanese composer I'll reach yeah, and he had all these 1:09:19.760 --> 1:09:20.639 you know, black rain. 1:09:20.560 --> 1:09:20.920 He did that. 1:09:21.120 --> 1:09:23.040 That that score just amazing. 1:09:23.040 --> 1:09:25.760 I just love his the way he used textures and 1:09:25.880 --> 1:09:28.040 sounds and that kind of thing, and that is where 1:09:28.080 --> 1:09:30.320 that came from. It's just that's that whole thing, and 1:09:30.400 --> 1:09:33.600 then the whole ten million strong kind of thing. Just 1:09:33.720 --> 1:09:36.120 you know, just certain songs coming I can do in 1:09:36.240 --> 1:09:40.040 five minutes. Other times it might be, you know, a 1:09:40.120 --> 1:09:41.640 couple of hours, it might be a week. I'man just 1:09:41.680 --> 1:09:43.920 set it down, the hook is done. I want to 1:09:43.920 --> 1:09:45.479 spend some time with That was just kind of like 1:09:46.320 --> 1:09:49.760 maybe ten minutes on that one, you know, but yeah, 1:09:49.800 --> 1:09:50.479 it was just one of those. 1:09:50.479 --> 1:09:52.880 It was just kind of a vibe. That's exactly for that, 1:09:53.560 --> 1:09:55.080 I mean, just to kind of chill the vibe. 1:09:55.160 --> 1:09:59.200 I certainly feel that purpose going back, I forgot my 1:09:59.320 --> 1:10:00.920 dear on the More Money soundtrack. 1:10:03.600 --> 1:10:06.040 No, it's funny about that, you know, it's the spearheaded 1:10:06.040 --> 1:10:09.000 by Homer Owe Dell guitar player man and that we 1:10:09.560 --> 1:10:11.720 really originally did that for Calling Me Back in a 1:10:11.720 --> 1:10:20.320 group called And but it was produced differently to have 1:10:20.439 --> 1:10:25.439 more of kind of pop sensibility, and they something happened 1:10:25.439 --> 1:10:26.800 when they didn't take the song they were going and 1:10:27.000 --> 1:10:31.600 they didn't, and it's like, okay, we're gonna make it 1:10:31.680 --> 1:10:34.760 for us. So we went in, rehearsed it, you know, 1:10:34.840 --> 1:10:38.439 did the music, and then me and Odell pended. You know, 1:10:38.520 --> 1:10:42.520 we just wanted to make it kind of an extravaganza. 1:10:43.160 --> 1:10:46.320 You know, used to run that joint. Thanks man. 1:10:47.280 --> 1:10:51.919 We talked about soundtrack joints. Jason's lyric trouble was Money Money. 1:10:53.360 --> 1:10:53.640 That one. 1:10:54.560 --> 1:10:55.680 Yeah, that was. 1:10:57.680 --> 1:10:57.840 Yeah. 1:10:57.880 --> 1:11:00.280 They wanted they wanted the songs, but they wanted to it. 1:11:00.439 --> 1:11:06.080 So Carrie Lewis was brilliant at doing that. He had 1:11:06.320 --> 1:11:09.480 Carrie had like a he's like a really great pop sensibility, 1:11:10.080 --> 1:11:12.880 you know, knows the textures to use and everything. 1:11:12.960 --> 1:11:13.439 So he was. 1:11:14.920 --> 1:11:18.280 Really instrumental the group for that. So you pen swinging 1:11:18.320 --> 1:11:23.400 as well me swinging. So yeah, he's just amazing. Still 1:11:23.439 --> 1:11:25.080 to this day, it's just crazy with it. 1:11:25.280 --> 1:11:28.000 Do you really still enjoy singing like your classics, like 1:11:28.000 --> 1:11:31.320 are there's some that you like still enjoy always wanted. 1:11:31.160 --> 1:11:34.439 Because I appreciate the catalog as I appreciate it. 1:11:34.520 --> 1:11:35.960 Yeah, you know, as you get older and doing this thing, 1:11:36.040 --> 1:11:39.400 it's like you know what you know, doing music man, 1:11:39.640 --> 1:11:42.960 you know, changing hearts and minds and actually changing you know, 1:11:44.960 --> 1:11:47.640 the vibration is actually going through people and helping. You know, 1:11:47.880 --> 1:11:51.240 it's like feeling different, you know. So it's uh, I 1:11:51.479 --> 1:11:54.639 learned later on life like this really about healing. 1:11:54.920 --> 1:11:55.479 It really is. 1:11:55.960 --> 1:11:57.720 You know, if we didn't have music, I mean, what 1:11:57.800 --> 1:11:59.160 would that feel like? 1:11:59.240 --> 1:12:06.479 You know what I mean? What is your vocal regimen? 1:12:06.840 --> 1:12:08.800 Because I've I mean I've seen you like a couple 1:12:08.840 --> 1:12:11.000 of times, and you guys are still, you know, twenty 1:12:11.080 --> 1:12:14.120 years later, still singing these songs in the same key 1:12:14.520 --> 1:12:15.080 like you still. 1:12:15.439 --> 1:12:19.080 I shouldn't be, you know, I mean, it's just like 1:12:19.240 --> 1:12:20.320 that's amazing. 1:12:19.960 --> 1:12:22.000 Man, that's you know. 1:12:23.080 --> 1:12:25.599 I definitely try to baby it as much like I'm 1:12:25.600 --> 1:12:28.519 not one of these dudes who have these Some dudes 1:12:28.560 --> 1:12:30.439 can just sing all night and you know the next 1:12:30.640 --> 1:12:32.320 you just got these still lungs. 1:12:32.400 --> 1:12:35.840 I'm like, I gotta do my garlic. 1:12:35.600 --> 1:12:38.800 And my ginger and all that honey, you know, warm up, 1:12:39.240 --> 1:12:40.760 you know, it's a big thing, and really it's just 1:12:40.840 --> 1:12:46.200 about it's just about endurance, really and trying to sing differently. 1:12:46.320 --> 1:12:48.240 You know, your voice changes as you get older, it 1:12:48.320 --> 1:12:52.760 drops a little bit, and but I like where it's 1:12:52.800 --> 1:12:54.679 at now because it kind of rounds it out because. 1:12:54.479 --> 1:12:56.080 I listen back and I'm like, man, I sound like 1:12:56.240 --> 1:12:56.600 many a. 1:12:57.000 --> 1:13:02.840 Mouse pete those y'all guys. That the way that you're 1:13:03.080 --> 1:13:08.280 speaking now, that your baritone game is on point when 1:13:08.320 --> 1:13:13.519 your voice resource but you saying and your low register. 1:13:13.560 --> 1:13:16.439 I was like, yo, do the low register? Yeah, and 1:13:16.600 --> 1:13:20.560 you killed it. Like have you ever thought of of 1:13:21.840 --> 1:13:25.320 doing a project where you just use your your your 1:13:25.360 --> 1:13:26.280 low register. 1:13:26.040 --> 1:13:28.360 And then that day like I already started it. 1:13:29.439 --> 1:13:31.200 It's like a song on a new record, Like at 1:13:31.280 --> 1:13:32.960 least one song, I feel like you use it. 1:13:34.400 --> 1:13:36.360 Even on the Soulfine remix, you kind of went a 1:13:36.360 --> 1:13:37.320 little lower than normal. 1:13:37.439 --> 1:13:37.639 Yeah. 1:13:38.600 --> 1:13:40.800 I think people are so focused on the. 1:13:42.760 --> 1:13:45.200 Natural high registered and on your life, you know, and 1:13:45.439 --> 1:13:47.080 if they see it live, you know, or they'll ask 1:13:47.160 --> 1:13:49.000 me that, they assume it's somebody else that's singing. 1:13:49.040 --> 1:13:51.479 That's that's me saying yeah, but. 1:13:51.560 --> 1:13:55.280 Yeah, I enjoy that. I missed that baritone. I missed 1:13:55.280 --> 1:13:58.320 that whole very white out the price sock. 1:13:58.640 --> 1:14:01.599 You know, you know I'm that right. Nobody sings, yeah, 1:14:01.640 --> 1:14:03.360 there's there's there's a lane. 1:14:03.880 --> 1:14:05.519 It's funny you say that about your voice, because last 1:14:05.560 --> 1:14:07.800 night and I were trying to figure out, like, who 1:14:08.040 --> 1:14:11.519 is in your your try vocally right, because you are 1:14:11.680 --> 1:14:13.559 just in an elite situation where there's not a lot 1:14:13.600 --> 1:14:14.920 of people that, oh, he sounds like stuff. 1:14:14.960 --> 1:14:20.840 You y'all need to do a jam together. Yeah, I know, 1:14:20.960 --> 1:14:22.479 y'all like, who's who. 1:14:25.400 --> 1:14:25.679 Together? 1:14:26.760 --> 1:14:34.080 Phrase that because the argument was three between Ray and 1:14:34.600 --> 1:14:35.479 Son and him. 1:14:39.080 --> 1:14:45.400 Okayan and Stokely is like cousins in this game. 1:14:46.080 --> 1:14:47.040 Get me beat up. 1:14:48.880 --> 1:14:49.719 A great producer. 1:14:50.479 --> 1:14:53.000 But yeah, it's yeah, it is y'all are similar. 1:14:53.600 --> 1:14:56.439 Yeah, yeah, I mean we seen we talk about this, 1:14:56.640 --> 1:14:58.400 like what is that? I guess he just comes out 1:14:58.439 --> 1:15:00.639 and it comes out, man, you know for the first 1:15:01.720 --> 1:15:04.680 I guess you know a little while that breaking my 1:15:04.720 --> 1:15:06.960 Heart was out. Nobody really there. We had no video, 1:15:07.960 --> 1:15:10.519 so they didn't a baby face. It kind of sounded like, Stevie, 1:15:10.640 --> 1:15:13.120 who's what you know? We had gotten? 1:15:13.160 --> 1:15:16.760 I had gotten a few different you know, artists. 1:15:16.439 --> 1:15:19.160 And people thought it was, you know, on the cover 1:15:19.280 --> 1:15:23.000 of the uh definition of a band album. I'd always 1:15:23.040 --> 1:15:25.760 want to ask you about what was it that made 1:15:25.840 --> 1:15:28.280 y'all not be on the cover and just fos the instruments. 1:15:28.360 --> 1:15:32.080 I thought it was a statement behind it, But I 1:15:32.200 --> 1:15:35.360 want to hear your definition of a band? 1:15:35.439 --> 1:15:36.519 Yeah, yeah, for sure. 1:15:36.560 --> 1:15:40.000 It's like, okay, this is let's be what we are, like, man, 1:15:40.120 --> 1:15:42.679 enough of this trying to look pretty on the cover 1:15:42.840 --> 1:15:43.599 and that kind of thing. 1:15:43.680 --> 1:15:45.400 Let's just more rugged, be what it is. 1:15:45.479 --> 1:15:48.720 It's like, we're musicians, let's letting we always say that 1:15:48.800 --> 1:15:51.680 the music is king over everything that speaks, you know, 1:15:52.439 --> 1:15:54.679 So put the instruments on there, you know, the old 1:15:54.880 --> 1:16:00.679 warehouse looking thing, you know, and that represents us, you know. Definitely. 1:16:00.760 --> 1:16:02.720 I think it was perfect, you know, definition of man. 1:16:02.760 --> 1:16:05.439 Put instruments boom, that's it, and I think it resonated. 1:16:05.640 --> 1:16:08.040 Why did it take you guys three years between on 1:16:08.160 --> 1:16:10.640 that one? And is it risky to well I know 1:16:10.760 --> 1:16:15.680 that well, yeah, for the next three records. It's that 1:16:15.800 --> 1:16:16.759 was ninety six. 1:16:17.880 --> 1:16:23.400 Y between that one and what was one after that? 1:16:23.560 --> 1:16:29.320 Was that aquarium? Well okay eight yeah, man, factory to 1:16:29.520 --> 1:16:31.000 Definition band was three years. 1:16:30.840 --> 1:16:33.439 And then just just toring, you know, a ment factory 1:16:33.479 --> 1:16:38.960 to definite Yeah, touring and h I think to from 1:16:39.040 --> 1:16:41.439 definition band to Life's Aquarium. There was a couple of 1:16:41.479 --> 1:16:44.880 things that happened, so, uh, Carrie had found love, got married, 1:16:45.040 --> 1:16:45.559 you know, all the things. 1:16:45.640 --> 1:16:49.400 We're trying to figure out our sound, you know, and how. 1:16:49.320 --> 1:16:50.040 Did he handle that? 1:16:50.120 --> 1:16:52.840 Did he like give your heads up or was it? Yeah? 1:16:53.080 --> 1:16:54.840 And did you guys handle that? And we did? 1:16:55.120 --> 1:16:56.720 We we were on tour with. 1:17:01.560 --> 1:17:02.920 I didn't watch the Lifetime. 1:17:05.160 --> 1:17:07.679 It was the Lifetime movie? Was it accurate? 1:17:07.840 --> 1:17:07.960 Was it? 1:17:08.520 --> 1:17:08.560 What? 1:17:08.640 --> 1:17:11.760 Was it the Whitney's movie, because I mean, we're not 1:17:11.800 --> 1:17:14.280 Whitney I'm sorry Tony movie. 1:17:14.280 --> 1:17:18.400 Sorry, No, they mentioned in the movie kind of remember that. 1:17:18.479 --> 1:17:27.880 I only watched half of it, so I'm not I 1:17:27.920 --> 1:17:28.760 don't even know if it was in it. 1:17:28.840 --> 1:17:34.840 But was it good? After the Whitney John and Leah Jorn. 1:17:35.560 --> 1:17:36.080 I didn't do it. 1:17:38.439 --> 1:17:41.920 Yeah, I saw the TC one that wasn't Lifetime, that 1:17:42.000 --> 1:17:45.680 was one life Time. Oh you're thinking about it? Oh 1:17:45.760 --> 1:17:48.479 yet no, little Mama she killed the TLC version, the 1:17:48.560 --> 1:17:50.200 t G. She did good in that one. I wasn't 1:17:50.200 --> 1:17:50.960 met at that one at all. 1:17:51.240 --> 1:17:55.240 So how did they depicted just just for my ignorance, like, 1:17:57.240 --> 1:17:58.360 how did they depict. 1:17:58.120 --> 1:18:02.719 The It's been depicted that the band was not happy. 1:18:03.080 --> 1:18:04.519 That's what it's been depicted at all. 1:18:04.600 --> 1:18:05.280 I can imagine that. 1:18:05.439 --> 1:18:07.439 Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean with someone for your 1:18:07.520 --> 1:18:09.439 life and then they're like, I'm out in love. 1:18:12.720 --> 1:18:14.320 And then y'all were on tour together to so there 1:18:14.360 --> 1:18:16.920 was a whole thing, right, so that it developed with 1:18:17.000 --> 1:18:18.760 them on tour. So I mean we've seen it kind 1:18:18.760 --> 1:18:20.479 of was like okay, all right, all right, see what's 1:18:20.520 --> 1:18:25.360 going on? And uh so announced getting parried and that 1:18:25.400 --> 1:18:25.720 whole thing. 1:18:26.120 --> 1:18:32.120 Say, Bryce was, I'm sorry, this is a long story. 1:18:33.400 --> 1:18:34.840 He was anyway, good. 1:18:37.479 --> 1:18:41.320 Yeah, so they did that, and so we were, yeah, 1:18:41.320 --> 1:18:43.439 I mean everybody in the band wasn't you know, It's like, man, 1:18:43.520 --> 1:18:46.240 what's going to happen? I guess all he was asking 1:18:46.280 --> 1:18:49.519 for is like, look, he's give me some time to work, 1:18:49.560 --> 1:18:52.360 Steff hars gonna happen? Like noah, we got we got 1:18:52.479 --> 1:18:56.000 it roll out man. I guess it was like an ultimatum. 1:18:56.080 --> 1:18:58.680 You know, it's like any out kind of thing. But 1:18:58.840 --> 1:19:00.400 you know, to me, I just thought it was business 1:19:00.479 --> 1:19:03.920 and you know, let you know, short life loves love man, 1:19:04.000 --> 1:19:06.479 let him do this thing. So I went to wedding. 1:19:06.600 --> 1:19:09.240 Some people were supposed to make it and had some 1:19:09.360 --> 1:19:20.000 technical difficulties as well. So in somewhere up bet yeah 1:19:20.960 --> 1:19:23.040 what it was. But I understand that, you know, that's 1:19:23.160 --> 1:19:25.519 just human nature. It's going to be that, you know, 1:19:25.680 --> 1:19:28.439 and it's uh this, you know, I've been married to 1:19:28.520 --> 1:19:30.840 these dudes longer than you know. 1:19:31.080 --> 1:19:33.639 It's very faithful. Like I wonder how many times somebody 1:19:33.680 --> 1:19:36.840 says so stokedly when you're going on solo, like how 1:19:36.960 --> 1:19:38.840 is it like thirty fifty hundred? 1:19:38.960 --> 1:19:40.400 What do you think was there a chance of you 1:19:40.439 --> 1:19:42.320 actually going solo in the late nineties because you did it. 1:19:42.400 --> 1:19:44.240 There was a couple of soundtrack records that was you 1:19:45.120 --> 1:19:46.200 album every. 1:19:46.520 --> 1:19:48.479 Yeah oh in the press and the rate in the 1:19:48.640 --> 1:19:50.280 interview like oh. 1:19:50.360 --> 1:19:54.000 Man, I mean if there was to deal with pretty 1:19:54.080 --> 1:19:56.880 much album's done, it was pretty much every every time. 1:19:57.040 --> 1:19:58.960 So but I just think there was a ment was 1:19:59.439 --> 1:20:02.479 you know, necessary, like at that time, there's so many 1:20:02.840 --> 1:20:05.320 solo artists galory, you know, so I'm like, you know, 1:20:05.400 --> 1:20:08.040 I think it needs to be you know what I. 1:20:08.080 --> 1:20:09.920 Mean, it needed to be a making there's nothing like that, 1:20:10.400 --> 1:20:11.760 you know, there's not a roots. 1:20:15.520 --> 1:20:19.479 Am I the only artist that believes that in the 1:20:19.560 --> 1:20:23.840 open marriage like Amie Davis and the Ship. It's no, no, no, 1:20:23.960 --> 1:20:26.880 you can have this, dude, go to common. 1:20:28.520 --> 1:20:31.200 Yeah, but you have to kind of watch that because 1:20:31.640 --> 1:20:33.360 the while you kind of end up cutting your package. 1:20:33.360 --> 1:20:35.080 You know what I'm saying, you have to you kind 1:20:35.080 --> 1:20:37.599 of dilute yourself too much. And it's like you saying 1:20:37.680 --> 1:20:38.720 I don't need to cut it. 1:20:40.800 --> 1:20:41.200 Metaphor. 1:20:42.160 --> 1:20:45.439 Yeah, it's like you, like you, you're diluting you know yourself. 1:20:45.479 --> 1:20:47.600 So it's like, Okay, if I'm here and then I 1:20:47.680 --> 1:20:49.800 start going here and here, here, here, here, here, I 1:20:49.840 --> 1:20:50.880 think it's different yourself. 1:20:50.880 --> 1:20:52.719 I think it's different for musicians versus singers. 1:20:54.120 --> 1:20:58.680 Okay, okay, with drumming, it's hard at all. 1:20:58.920 --> 1:21:01.080 Like was anybody talking, Steve Gett, you're playing on too 1:21:01.120 --> 1:21:06.040 many records, Pinos, gonna have to chill. 1:21:06.000 --> 1:21:09.400 Right, right, yeah, let get these tell you. But I 1:21:09.520 --> 1:21:13.519 think that you know, you would want to, like I 1:21:13.600 --> 1:21:16.360 want to start aside jazz combo with blah blah blah, 1:21:16.720 --> 1:21:18.000 do a supergroup. 1:21:19.400 --> 1:21:21.599 And what the thing it's even like right when I'm 1:21:21.600 --> 1:21:25.160 doing now is all this stuff. It's there's a few 1:21:25.200 --> 1:21:27.120 ways and you can do that, and I've been doing that. 1:21:27.520 --> 1:21:29.479 Actually there's a couple of groups that I played with, 1:21:29.880 --> 1:21:32.880 you know. Still that's been last fifteen probably the whole 1:21:32.920 --> 1:21:35.840 time through. You know, I've always been active, you know before, 1:21:36.439 --> 1:21:40.640 meant you know, during, and now it's just like I 1:21:40.720 --> 1:21:42.439 feel like, you know, I give him so much time, 1:21:42.520 --> 1:21:46.000 attention and care to that. You know, as a musician 1:21:46.080 --> 1:21:47.960 and artist, you have to figure out you know, I 1:21:48.080 --> 1:21:50.120 put When I do something, I'm like really focused in 1:21:50.200 --> 1:21:52.800 on it. So at this time now I'm just like, Okay, 1:21:53.400 --> 1:21:54.719 it's time for another facet. 1:21:55.280 --> 1:21:55.880 You know, I have. 1:21:56.120 --> 1:21:57.680 I got a couple more gears, I think, you know, 1:21:57.760 --> 1:22:00.560 while I'm still healthy and you know I can do it. 1:22:01.080 --> 1:22:03.080 I want to give it it's full attention, you know. 1:22:03.200 --> 1:22:05.240 So there's different ways to do that. I have done 1:22:05.280 --> 1:22:07.639 what you talking about as far as you know, being 1:22:07.760 --> 1:22:11.320 in a group and doing all the other things outside 1:22:11.360 --> 1:22:13.320 of it, you know, making that the mother. 1:22:13.920 --> 1:22:16.560 Do those guys have side options as well or just 1:22:16.640 --> 1:22:20.200 doing different things everything? I'm sorry, you know what I'm saying. 1:22:20.240 --> 1:22:21.720 Do they have side options as well? 1:22:21.880 --> 1:22:22.960 Or is this group there. 1:22:22.960 --> 1:22:26.720 Everything everybody's got different things. And that's the thing that's like, 1:22:26.960 --> 1:22:28.880 once they decide to do that, you know, if they 1:22:28.920 --> 1:22:31.519 want to, then you know what they've got. Definitely, it's 1:22:31.720 --> 1:22:35.160 it's they're amazing dudes, you know in so many different ways. 1:22:35.200 --> 1:22:36.960 They just you just know about me because I'm lead singer, 1:22:37.600 --> 1:22:39.720 you know, and that's usually the way it happens. It's 1:22:39.800 --> 1:22:44.560 a focal point. And yeah, there's there's a lot of 1:22:45.360 --> 1:22:46.840 magic within and beyond me. 1:22:47.400 --> 1:22:49.599 I mean, because there's a moment in reading the title 1:22:49.720 --> 1:22:54.160 introducing Stokely as a fan where you're like, well, that's nice, 1:22:54.320 --> 1:22:57.040 but what you mean introduced like like. 1:22:59.040 --> 1:23:01.479 When you're starting over. Its introducing. 1:23:03.280 --> 1:23:04.080 Decades of music. 1:23:04.600 --> 1:23:05.280 It don't matter. 1:23:06.280 --> 1:23:07.479 Black people don't read. 1:23:12.479 --> 1:23:12.519 It. 1:23:12.920 --> 1:23:15.960 It's like people like people know you too, they don't 1:23:16.040 --> 1:23:19.280 know necessarily or yeah, you know what I mean. 1:23:19.479 --> 1:23:21.840 So it's like, let me ask you just why we're 1:23:21.880 --> 1:23:23.120 on this subject, because I told you one of my 1:23:23.200 --> 1:23:26.599 favorite songs that is yours. Yours was meant something something. 1:23:26.880 --> 1:23:28.680 So the other day we were talking to Fonte and 1:23:28.720 --> 1:23:32.360 he was saying how he's real selective with his features. However, 1:23:32.439 --> 1:23:34.760 he was on the condition song you know it's you 1:23:34.880 --> 1:23:37.360 know something something, because that's mean conditions. 1:23:40.360 --> 1:23:44.720 My mama, she Mama, I wouldn't. She didn't validate me 1:23:44.920 --> 1:23:50.920 until that ship was cool. I talk until I got 1:23:51.080 --> 1:23:52.040 a gentleman condition. 1:23:52.120 --> 1:23:55.280 She was like, oh, ship talking, ship like the ship 1:23:55.400 --> 1:23:56.679 talking is just my favorite. 1:23:58.120 --> 1:23:58.320 Yeah. 1:23:59.600 --> 1:24:01.240 I couldn't believe. I can't even remember. 1:24:01.240 --> 1:24:03.680 I think like my manager hit me, but yeah, Like 1:24:04.520 --> 1:24:06.320 me and Rick were talking and he was like, yo, 1:24:06.400 --> 1:24:07.840 we got a joint we want you on and I 1:24:07.960 --> 1:24:09.960 was like all right. I was like, man, crazy. 1:24:10.240 --> 1:24:12.120 So he sent it to me and so I do it. 1:24:12.240 --> 1:24:13.040 I just do my verse. 1:24:13.080 --> 1:24:17.120 I'm like, all right, my rap, bam, nick, I'm good, 1:24:17.280 --> 1:24:19.960 sixteen a miuth And so I sent it and so 1:24:20.200 --> 1:24:21.519 then Rick hits me. 1:24:21.800 --> 1:24:24.240 And he's like, yo, man, we love the verse. Stokely 1:24:24.280 --> 1:24:25.160 wants you to sing on it. 1:24:25.200 --> 1:24:25.920 I was like, nigga, what. 1:24:28.400 --> 1:24:33.160 No, He's like, no, Stokely won't what like, what do 1:24:33.200 --> 1:24:33.519 you want me? 1:24:35.120 --> 1:24:35.160 No? 1:24:35.320 --> 1:24:35.679 For real? 1:24:35.920 --> 1:24:38.799 That's like yeah, that's like you know, that's crazy. 1:24:39.000 --> 1:24:41.639 So I was like I and so I just went 1:24:41.680 --> 1:24:43.720 back and added like some Marvin harmonies on or whatever, 1:24:43.720 --> 1:24:45.840 and then he hit me back. I was like, Rick, 1:24:45.840 --> 1:24:47.360 I sent you some vocals and I said, but dude, 1:24:48.000 --> 1:24:49.479 I really would rather stokely do these. 1:24:49.520 --> 1:24:51.000 Oh he was like, he was like, let me hear you. 1:24:51.040 --> 1:24:51.640 I sent it to him. 1:24:51.680 --> 1:24:53.240 He was like, dude, we love it, we love it. 1:24:53.640 --> 1:24:55.679 And so that was the time like that record. 1:24:55.720 --> 1:24:58.280 And then it was another record we just did on 1:24:58.439 --> 1:25:02.160 Chris's album, the record I the Destiny and Stereo record. 1:25:03.400 --> 1:25:06.000 I sing the hook on that, but I sung it 1:25:06.160 --> 1:25:08.639 as a reference for you to sing it. But Chris 1:25:08.760 --> 1:25:09.439 kept my reference. 1:25:09.520 --> 1:25:13.720 Of course. He was you the man. But I heard it. 1:25:13.800 --> 1:25:17.000 I heard like an alien aliens. 1:25:17.400 --> 1:25:19.760 Man, I'm trying to we did. Oh, it was on thing. Okay, 1:25:19.840 --> 1:25:27.480 it was another record. We didn't. 1:25:31.360 --> 1:25:33.599 Look so where was the record we did? 1:25:33.880 --> 1:25:34.000 Uh? 1:25:34.200 --> 1:25:36.519 It was a brother I leave record and that was 1:25:36.600 --> 1:25:38.800 a joint. I just again, I did the hook on 1:25:39.439 --> 1:25:42.880 and then I leave. He like, put you in some 1:25:43.040 --> 1:25:45.280 harmonies under me. That ship was stupid. It was called 1:25:45.320 --> 1:25:48.200 I'll be around. It was man, this had to be 1:25:48.320 --> 1:25:49.719 like two thousand and nine. 1:25:49.960 --> 1:25:54.839 And heard again, nice, you don't remember none of the teachers. 1:25:55.600 --> 1:25:57.679 Man, you were just singing. 1:25:57.800 --> 1:25:59.400 You were singing on it because I mean, because you 1:25:59.439 --> 1:26:02.839 were like lead like y'all. He was all over, oh. 1:26:02.960 --> 1:26:05.400 Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, I need 1:26:05.479 --> 1:26:06.080 to hear that again. 1:26:06.160 --> 1:26:09.599 I'll send it to yes. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, man, 1:26:09.680 --> 1:26:11.439 my mother she when I told I did the record 1:26:11.439 --> 1:26:14.920 with y'all. I made it congratulations. 1:26:15.840 --> 1:26:16.559 That is funny. 1:26:17.000 --> 1:26:20.040 Didn't get to touch any of introducers, like was there 1:26:20.080 --> 1:26:20.519 any memory? 1:26:20.880 --> 1:26:22.880 Was I wanted to make it, you know, because I 1:26:23.200 --> 1:26:25.200 feel like we've done that, you know what I mean? 1:26:26.520 --> 1:26:29.160 Think about it, you know, introducing it's like you know this, 1:26:29.360 --> 1:26:32.519 You're getting me from the rude to the tutor, you know, 1:26:32.680 --> 1:26:33.240 so to speak. 1:26:33.360 --> 1:26:36.200 So playing still drums? Is that somebody? 1:26:37.080 --> 1:26:39.240 Okayment Records. 1:26:39.439 --> 1:26:41.800 Yeah, that was my favorite interviews Ash and Rio the 1:26:41.880 --> 1:26:42.759 Querros Revenge. 1:26:45.520 --> 1:26:47.360 I used to I used to have that ship time 1:26:47.479 --> 1:26:49.599 so perfectly where I could loop it on my CD player, 1:26:50.400 --> 1:26:52.920 like because it was only like forty three seconds and 1:26:52.960 --> 1:26:53.679 it wasn't long enough. 1:26:54.720 --> 1:26:56.679 If I hit it just right, it would look perfectly. 1:26:58.880 --> 1:27:01.599 That I want to ask you about sometimes on uh 1:27:02.600 --> 1:27:05.600 that record I got that brought the r A to 1:27:05.800 --> 1:27:07.120 my dormime. 1:27:09.120 --> 1:27:09.800 That was my front. 1:27:09.880 --> 1:27:09.920 No. 1:27:10.040 --> 1:27:13.640 That was like my freshman year of college, and I 1:27:13.880 --> 1:27:16.679 just I was beyond the too loud. 1:27:17.280 --> 1:27:18.720 I think this one is getting mean. 1:27:21.320 --> 1:27:23.960 Yeah, that joint so I would like just that drum 1:27:24.040 --> 1:27:26.760 solo man and just a wonderful song. 1:27:26.920 --> 1:27:29.960 And so I just would have that ship like playing loud. 1:27:30.000 --> 1:27:30.680 How did that? 1:27:31.120 --> 1:27:34.559 That's brother Rick, you know he like on the rock 1:27:34.600 --> 1:27:37.479 and roll Tippy's definitely master at that man. 1:27:37.720 --> 1:27:40.599 That one in fidelity, Yeah yeah. 1:27:40.720 --> 1:27:42.400 Yeah, yeah. 1:27:42.680 --> 1:27:44.800 The drum soul was amazing, just I think I like 1:27:44.880 --> 1:27:46.840 the tones and just how raw it is, you know 1:27:46.880 --> 1:27:49.760 what I mean. But as part of his personality, we 1:27:49.880 --> 1:27:53.479 just kind of wonder h push his vision forward. And 1:27:54.760 --> 1:27:57.559 again I feel just really fortunate to be a part 1:27:57.560 --> 1:28:00.599 of all that. I mean, just creating all those those sonics. Man, 1:28:00.800 --> 1:28:01.920 just amazing magical. 1:28:02.040 --> 1:28:03.920 So Glad resonated with. 1:28:03.960 --> 1:28:08.559 Somebody record what was the change or what prompted all 1:28:08.600 --> 1:28:11.040 to change from perspective to electure for Life of Warrior? 1:28:12.680 --> 1:28:18.559 Better deal it was, Yeah, so what kind of man? 1:28:18.640 --> 1:28:20.280 We just felt like at the you know, we'd given 1:28:20.360 --> 1:28:21.800 them a gift and uh uh. 1:28:23.439 --> 1:28:23.840 Was dropped. 1:28:24.560 --> 1:28:26.840 Yeah yeah, I mean it was already it was a 1:28:27.200 --> 1:28:30.320 gift in you know, the regime that came into a 1:28:30.439 --> 1:28:33.400 and M didn't really pick up the ball and really 1:28:33.560 --> 1:28:34.840 you could have did a lot. 1:28:34.840 --> 1:28:37.800 More, you know, And so that record was considered was 1:28:37.920 --> 1:28:39.120 like just like a moderate hit. 1:28:39.439 --> 1:28:41.799 It was it It was definitely, but it could. 1:28:41.600 --> 1:28:44.040 Have been a hipoppet. Oh yeah, it was just it 1:28:44.120 --> 1:28:45.679 felt like it could have been in a lank star 1:28:45.840 --> 1:28:47.760 move right, it could have been. 1:28:48.120 --> 1:28:49.960 You know what I mean, it was right there, you know, 1:28:50.040 --> 1:28:51.479 so they had to do with just pick it up 1:28:51.520 --> 1:28:54.519 and do what they need to do. So that didn't happen, 1:28:54.600 --> 1:28:58.080 and just what they were offering at the time just 1:28:58.120 --> 1:29:00.479 didn't feel right. You know, a lot of times put 1:29:00.520 --> 1:29:02.160 their own people in and you know, just a lot 1:29:02.160 --> 1:29:04.679 of people are fighting. She's like, you keep people are gone. 1:29:04.960 --> 1:29:08.160 Did you guys have any relationship with and improper like 1:29:08.400 --> 1:29:09.480 guilt Freeeson. 1:29:09.240 --> 1:29:10.280 Or whoever was? 1:29:11.320 --> 1:29:11.840 Yeah, they had. 1:29:11.960 --> 1:29:14.599 Yeah, So it was just basically your ceiling was jam 1:29:14.720 --> 1:29:16.000 and Lewis and the perspective people. 1:29:16.600 --> 1:29:20.400 But never right the higher up set. 1:29:20.439 --> 1:29:22.840 No, I would have been you know, after have we 1:29:23.000 --> 1:29:24.600 had we stayed on there because that's what we you know, 1:29:24.640 --> 1:29:28.720 at that time, I think it was McClain had came 1:29:28.840 --> 1:29:30.840 back on, you know at A and M and that 1:29:30.960 --> 1:29:32.640 kind of thing. So they were in the meeting with 1:29:32.720 --> 1:29:34.800 him trying to figure out the future and I'm like, 1:29:34.840 --> 1:29:37.400 well I'd rather get off, and I'm like, okay, we 1:29:37.600 --> 1:29:39.240 just we thought it was gonna be a big deal, 1:29:39.280 --> 1:29:40.720 so you just give us two songs. 1:29:42.040 --> 1:29:42.960 Out, you know. 1:29:43.120 --> 1:29:45.760 So then we started talking to a Silver rown over 1:29:45.800 --> 1:29:49.439 at Electra and did that deal pretty quick and she 1:29:49.560 --> 1:29:52.479 was pretty excited. So and that one was just like, 1:29:52.600 --> 1:29:55.560 I don't he dropped the ball on again. Just the 1:29:55.680 --> 1:29:59.160 tour support, you know, because I think that was one 1:29:59.160 --> 1:30:00.439 of one of the reasons why. 1:30:00.520 --> 1:30:02.400 Now I would say Life of Query that was one 1:30:03.200 --> 1:30:06.639 that I like, you know, like Bossville you talked about 1:30:06.720 --> 1:30:09.200 the are You Free? Life of Querim was the one 1:30:09.320 --> 1:30:12.320 record where I was kind of like, Okay, what's happening because. 1:30:12.160 --> 1:30:15.160 That's probably my second favorite minelbum. It's so here's the 1:30:15.200 --> 1:30:15.760 other part of it. 1:30:15.880 --> 1:30:18.360 So when I first kind of went through it, and like, 1:30:18.360 --> 1:30:21.200 because the first single, god, what was the first single? 1:30:21.320 --> 1:30:23.280 It just didn't sound like y'all. It sounded, you know, 1:30:23.479 --> 1:30:24.320 very like programming. 1:30:25.160 --> 1:30:27.080 No, it wasn't if You Love Me that was the ballad, 1:30:27.200 --> 1:30:29.479 but it was the it was a faster I can't 1:30:29.479 --> 1:30:32.519 remember what the Charlie that was pretty Lady, that was 1:30:33.160 --> 1:30:34.800 pleasure touched that body of. 1:30:41.520 --> 1:30:42.000 You know what I mean. 1:30:42.120 --> 1:30:45.000 But so that that threw me off. But like the 1:30:45.160 --> 1:30:47.240 ballads on that record, you know, what I'm saying like 1:30:47.320 --> 1:30:51.320 that just the Man for you and this day, this 1:30:51.479 --> 1:30:57.200 minute and God just uh tonight, like those are some 1:30:57.280 --> 1:30:59.760 of my favorite Mint songs of all time. 1:31:00.120 --> 1:31:03.280 So yeah, I mean, you just do what you feel 1:31:03.280 --> 1:31:05.000 in the moment. Man. It's one of those things where 1:31:05.120 --> 1:31:05.720 you you know. 1:31:06.080 --> 1:31:08.120 People get what they get from it, and it's you know, 1:31:08.200 --> 1:31:11.240 whatever your musical sensibility is, you take it or you 1:31:11.400 --> 1:31:14.200 leave it, and uh, you know, some stuff is hit miss. 1:31:15.880 --> 1:31:18.880 So when y'all went indy for Living in the Luxury Brown, 1:31:19.120 --> 1:31:22.439 how is that transition? What major decide to do that? 1:31:22.800 --> 1:31:25.120 So we would go in the independent stage at that point. 1:31:25.280 --> 1:31:30.960 So that was I felt like we all felt like, 1:31:31.040 --> 1:31:33.120 you know, people heard us, but they haven't seen a 1:31:33.200 --> 1:31:35.120 lot of us. So we wanted to do like a 1:31:36.000 --> 1:31:38.400 DVD component, you know with that, you know, living in 1:31:38.400 --> 1:31:41.040 a Luxury Brown and Life from nine thirty Club and 1:31:41.280 --> 1:31:44.679 you know, yeah DC. Yeah, so it felt like that's 1:31:44.720 --> 1:31:46.479 the perfect spot to do it. You know, these do 1:31:46.520 --> 1:31:51.600 always showed us love that part of the country and yeah, yeah, absolutely, 1:31:51.720 --> 1:31:54.880 so that's kind of what drove that, and we struck 1:31:55.000 --> 1:32:00.680 up a deal with Image Entertainment. Yeah yeah, Yeah, it 1:32:00.760 --> 1:32:02.799 was perfect there because they did. They dealt with DVDs 1:32:02.880 --> 1:32:06.400 and that kind of content, and yeah, that's pretty much 1:32:06.400 --> 1:32:08.360 where it came from. It just from us wanting to 1:32:08.439 --> 1:32:12.200 do something that was visual, you know. And yeah it 1:32:12.240 --> 1:32:14.360 came out great man, until we put all these songs 1:32:14.400 --> 1:32:16.479 on there. So remember that was not a target. 1:32:17.600 --> 1:32:20.760 My copy they had like an exclusive, so over here 1:32:20.840 --> 1:32:22.120 I bought it, bought my other target. 1:32:27.000 --> 1:32:29.759 So you have a new album, Stokely. I'm over here. 1:32:33.680 --> 1:32:34.320 Chatting with Sugar. 1:32:34.640 --> 1:32:36.880 Yes, Oh Steve, how you doing. 1:32:37.000 --> 1:32:37.960 Yeah, he's here. 1:32:41.320 --> 1:32:43.519 About the yes, sir. 1:32:44.160 --> 1:32:49.000 Yeah, we started introducing Stokely, So that's like I said, 1:32:49.000 --> 1:32:51.240 I felt that just you know, starting from the bottom. 1:32:51.320 --> 1:32:53.120 You know, we got some folks on there with me 1:32:53.200 --> 1:32:53.760 and some work with. 1:32:53.840 --> 1:32:54.559 Wild A on there. 1:32:55.760 --> 1:32:58.559 How do you after you waited all this time, how 1:32:58.680 --> 1:33:01.439 do you get the producers the people that you want 1:33:01.479 --> 1:33:03.599 to work with together, Because isn't everybody like yo, yeah 1:33:03.680 --> 1:33:05.000 pick me, pick me, pig me like. 1:33:06.800 --> 1:33:08.840 I did off of Spirit, you know, it's not so 1:33:09.000 --> 1:33:11.240 much off a popularity that kind of thing. Whatever fits 1:33:11.520 --> 1:33:12.640 what I'm doing, you know. 1:33:12.840 --> 1:33:16.280 So you've done a lot of stuff with Way though, Yeah. 1:33:16.160 --> 1:33:18.759 A little bit worked on with last couple of CDs. 1:33:18.920 --> 1:33:24.000 Yeah, yeah, Rob and yeah, So I mean it's just, 1:33:24.080 --> 1:33:26.960 you know, it's like this industry becomes very small. So 1:33:27.760 --> 1:33:30.080 you know, touring, you see people on and it's like 1:33:30.120 --> 1:33:32.200 always work together and when it happens, it happens. That 1:33:32.320 --> 1:33:34.920 kind of thing, if the time is free and they're interested, 1:33:34.960 --> 1:33:36.600 if it's something they want to get on, because you know, 1:33:37.400 --> 1:33:40.320 we're all sensitive. Think they think it's wacking. You know, 1:33:41.479 --> 1:33:44.720 it won't happen. So I mean, yeah, but we try to, 1:33:44.760 --> 1:33:46.439 you know, do our best and you know, hopefully make 1:33:46.439 --> 1:33:49.560 it something that's attractive to other artists. And you know, 1:33:49.680 --> 1:33:55.880 Carvin Haggins and Ivan Various. Yeah, yeah, absolutely so they amazing, 1:33:57.160 --> 1:33:58.200 definitely love what they do. 1:33:58.520 --> 1:34:02.799 You know, I gotta ask. Okay, so there's one project 1:34:03.200 --> 1:34:05.560 that I'm really interested in that you were part of. 1:34:09.200 --> 1:34:17.040 You became the facto lead singer of the Revolution for 1:34:17.640 --> 1:34:22.080 their you know, their a couple of their date tours 1:34:22.160 --> 1:34:24.760 or whatever. How did that come to be and how 1:34:25.680 --> 1:34:31.479 hard was that for you? Uh? Do you stay off? 1:34:32.360 --> 1:34:34.720 I don't want to do I've been saying weird, but 1:34:35.080 --> 1:34:38.720 it wasn't weird. It was just it was surreal. It 1:34:38.880 --> 1:34:42.760 was it was just a really interesting to me. 1:34:43.120 --> 1:34:47.960 It's it's uh, I enjoyed, Like I enjoyed it. Someone's 1:34:48.000 --> 1:34:50.800 got to sing those songs, and I'd rather someone that 1:34:50.960 --> 1:34:52.800 really knows how to sing to sing those songs. 1:34:54.000 --> 1:34:54.800 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:34:55.520 --> 1:34:57.320 And I know for you it might be a thing 1:34:57.439 --> 1:34:59.320 like I don't want to get pegged in the weddings, 1:34:59.439 --> 1:35:00.920 the purple singer mode thing. 1:35:02.040 --> 1:35:03.400 But well, it wasn't that. 1:35:03.560 --> 1:35:05.240 It was just that I was trying to figure out 1:35:05.280 --> 1:35:07.280 my was like first, I just never thought in the 1:35:07.360 --> 1:35:09.880 main years that what I was like still sometimes like 1:35:09.880 --> 1:35:10.519 why am I here? 1:35:10.880 --> 1:35:13.040 You know, I feel like is he not here right now? 1:35:13.080 --> 1:35:14.280 I'm like, it's just weird. 1:35:14.760 --> 1:35:15.200 I know that. 1:35:15.760 --> 1:35:19.640 But to me, it's like, you know, I would I 1:35:19.640 --> 1:35:21.840 would talk to you know the one day you called 1:35:21.880 --> 1:35:25.519 me or whatever, and I would tell her like, because 1:35:25.560 --> 1:35:27.640 this was like the early stages of that. There's like 1:35:27.760 --> 1:35:29.679 maybe the second or third week where I saw something 1:35:30.280 --> 1:35:31.840 and I was like, look, I know, you guys are 1:35:31.920 --> 1:35:34.680 like really really protective of the brand, and you know 1:35:34.800 --> 1:35:37.720 want to make sure that no toes the stepped one 1:35:37.800 --> 1:35:40.040 as if Prince is going to come back to be like, hey, 1:35:40.040 --> 1:35:42.479 you're stepping on my toes. But I was like, I 1:35:42.600 --> 1:35:44.800 think she's like, what do you think we should? I said, 1:35:44.840 --> 1:35:47.640 I think the more that you guys just relax and 1:35:47.720 --> 1:35:51.200 have fun with it, then that's when the magic starts. 1:35:52.160 --> 1:35:55.040 And I felt that you were the perfect because of 1:35:55.120 --> 1:36:00.240 your your your energy that you bring with it. I'm 1:36:00.280 --> 1:36:03.000 not expecting you to show up with purple high hills 1:36:03.080 --> 1:36:06.360 and to do splits and start humping the speakers and 1:36:06.360 --> 1:36:13.920 none of that stuff. So I know that it's it's 1:36:14.760 --> 1:36:18.360 it's a very weird, vulnerable position to be put in, 1:36:19.280 --> 1:36:23.840 but I personally encourage it a lot, like I'd rather 1:36:24.000 --> 1:36:29.080 you than say the lead guy from Doctor Fink's Purple Experience. 1:36:31.520 --> 1:36:33.400 That cat. So how many days did you do with. 1:36:33.439 --> 1:36:37.640 Him last year? Still doing dates when I I'm not 1:36:37.720 --> 1:36:40.240 doing my own stuff. I don't know. 1:36:40.400 --> 1:36:43.080 It was a gang of them, and who sings when 1:36:43.080 --> 1:36:43.599 you're not there? 1:36:45.240 --> 1:36:49.519 Nobody they do. Yeah, So the Wendy and Mark had 1:36:49.560 --> 1:36:52.240 little duties, but it was kind of a weird things. 1:36:52.320 --> 1:36:54.840 I know that they knew. 1:36:54.960 --> 1:36:57.120 You know, Prince had a Prince and I had a relationship, 1:36:57.760 --> 1:37:00.640 and it was he got into a Princeton got to 1:37:00.680 --> 1:37:02.360 a place where you know, you could see him being 1:37:02.479 --> 1:37:05.519 kind of mentor to a lot of different artists. You know, 1:37:05.560 --> 1:37:08.160 he was like becoming that guy, you know, the yodas 1:37:08.240 --> 1:37:13.639 like you know in the industry, and the conversations which 1:37:13.680 --> 1:37:16.800 I missed so many conversations. The ones that I miss 1:37:16.920 --> 1:37:19.439 is like, look, man, we talked about life and everything, 1:37:19.560 --> 1:37:19.960 that kind of. 1:37:19.960 --> 1:37:22.680 Thing, and try to take you to kingdom on No, 1:37:24.479 --> 1:37:25.240 you got lucky. 1:37:27.040 --> 1:37:30.080 Yeah, I think you know when people get happen to 1:37:30.160 --> 1:37:34.439 lord sometimes like at the beginning, it's like, yeah, so 1:37:35.439 --> 1:37:35.840 he may. 1:37:35.760 --> 1:37:36.679 Still prepaid legal. 1:37:37.040 --> 1:37:42.720 Yeah, it's just you're selling it way too hard. I've 1:37:42.800 --> 1:37:49.120 kind of sold on the same way things. We're just 1:37:49.240 --> 1:37:50.240 going too far with it. 1:37:51.720 --> 1:37:52.080 Too much. 1:37:52.200 --> 1:38:05.840 Zeal Yeah, legal, what's the other? 1:38:05.960 --> 1:38:06.679 What the other? Scam? 1:38:08.320 --> 1:38:08.519 Yeah? 1:38:08.920 --> 1:38:14.400 I mean yeah that was those the college. Yeah, you 1:38:14.640 --> 1:38:17.840 just did you have an experience in all your life? 1:38:20.720 --> 1:38:20.920 Sure? 1:38:23.680 --> 1:38:26.240 Yeah, because they came back as uh, they came back 1:38:26.280 --> 1:38:28.639 as another company and I got recruited for that company, 1:38:28.720 --> 1:38:29.600 and that to. 1:38:29.640 --> 1:38:34.160 Telling me, no, wow, scam scam. 1:38:35.240 --> 1:38:35.439 Way. 1:38:36.800 --> 1:38:39.280 The first time you did these songs, these print songs, 1:38:39.840 --> 1:38:43.240 did you have any like unexpected emotional moments that you just. 1:38:43.520 --> 1:38:44.600 Wait, what is what is this? 1:38:45.520 --> 1:38:45.720 Yeah? 1:38:45.760 --> 1:38:49.840 Oh for sure, I mean, like I said, doing them, 1:38:49.920 --> 1:38:52.400 you know, the first couple of shows, you know, definitely 1:38:52.479 --> 1:38:55.320 cost a little bit, costed a little bit emotionally. You know, 1:38:55.360 --> 1:38:57.360 I could even see, you know, the first couple of 1:38:57.400 --> 1:38:59.000 gimes I did, you know, when Manager was there too, 1:38:59.040 --> 1:39:00.920 and we were like, you know, I do a couple 1:39:00.920 --> 1:39:03.240 of songs and I go off, like come back on doing, 1:39:03.320 --> 1:39:04.960 you know, and every time I come off from a 1:39:05.080 --> 1:39:07.160 fan and I'm watching. In the first couple of times, 1:39:07.320 --> 1:39:11.880 was like I could see them becoming themselves, but I. 1:39:11.920 --> 1:39:13.320 Think they were trying to find themselves. 1:39:13.400 --> 1:39:13.519 You know. 1:39:14.000 --> 1:39:16.360 It's like we were all like, where is he? This 1:39:16.520 --> 1:39:18.400 is you know, this is a different experience, you know 1:39:18.439 --> 1:39:21.200 what I mean. And so I think they're trying to 1:39:21.479 --> 1:39:23.240 figure out where they fit and all this stuff. And 1:39:23.280 --> 1:39:25.800 then the fans were looking you know some of the time, 1:39:25.920 --> 1:39:29.599 you know, I they didn't a lot of fans unless 1:39:29.680 --> 1:39:32.760 you sing the Purple Rain tour because that was it. 1:39:33.640 --> 1:39:35.400 You didn't see the revolution, so a lot of people 1:39:35.439 --> 1:39:37.280 were seeing them for the first time. So it's really 1:39:37.320 --> 1:39:40.000 emotional for the fans, you know. And by the time 1:39:40.040 --> 1:39:42.160 you get to you know, sometimes snows in April, it 1:39:42.280 --> 1:39:44.679 was you know, it was just really never watch yeah, 1:39:45.120 --> 1:39:47.479 it was it was you know, so now it's more 1:39:47.479 --> 1:39:50.280 of a celebration. You know, we've you've done it a 1:39:50.360 --> 1:39:52.640 few times and there's still a lot of fans in 1:39:52.640 --> 1:39:53.880 the house are seeing it for the first time. 1:39:53.960 --> 1:39:58.280 It's really it's it's emotional, but you know, I just met. 1:39:58.560 --> 1:39:59.360 I was just concerned. 1:39:59.439 --> 1:40:00.920 Like I told mar It's like, well, what what am 1:40:00.960 --> 1:40:02.800 I going to sing? But you know I'm not in 1:40:02.920 --> 1:40:04.720 First of all, this dude is an island. Nobody saying 1:40:04.760 --> 1:40:06.519 we know that. That's that's it. 1:40:06.800 --> 1:40:07.400 It is what it is. 1:40:07.720 --> 1:40:10.720 It's a legacy and that kind of thing. So so 1:40:10.800 --> 1:40:12.920 I said, I have to pick what I think I 1:40:13.040 --> 1:40:15.080 sound good like. I just because I can do them 1:40:15.120 --> 1:40:16.880 doesn't mean I should, you know what I mean. 1:40:17.080 --> 1:40:21.600 So so some songs are sacrilegiously you too, Wow, I. 1:40:21.640 --> 1:40:23.840 Think yeah, I think, yes, I think I shouldn't be 1:40:23.880 --> 1:40:24.240 doing you. 1:40:24.240 --> 1:40:26.360 Know, I think the best way to handle that, uh. 1:40:27.160 --> 1:40:30.360 And I tell them this all the time that like 1:40:30.520 --> 1:40:36.559 Princess fan base, Prince has the luxury of having non 1:40:36.640 --> 1:40:39.040 hit songs just as popular as a hit song. 1:40:39.160 --> 1:40:41.200 Right, Stevie has that luxury. 1:40:42.600 --> 1:40:45.679 Go for the more obvious stuff, I mean, the less Yeah, 1:40:45.880 --> 1:40:48.040 like the filler, you know what I mean, Like his 1:40:48.200 --> 1:40:51.040 filler is just as amazing, you know what I mean, 1:40:51.360 --> 1:40:55.680 Like slow You Killing Slow Love would be amazing. You know, 1:40:56.040 --> 1:40:58.320 I know that's not a revolutionary song, but yeah, I 1:40:58.400 --> 1:41:01.680 get it. I'm just saying that, you know, it's I 1:41:03.160 --> 1:41:07.960 encourage that moves anyone gets a chance to see the revolution. 1:41:08.320 --> 1:41:10.160 So what's on the list, though, what don't you touch? 1:41:10.479 --> 1:41:14.200 Was like holy ground, I. 1:41:14.200 --> 1:41:17.720 Don't think they would do me baby or okay. 1:41:18.439 --> 1:41:22.680 Okay, so that's the prince list. That's princess list that 1:41:22.760 --> 1:41:24.200 he didn't do after a while, that's. 1:41:24.040 --> 1:41:30.280 What you mean basically, I guess, yeah anyway, So uh. 1:41:32.040 --> 1:41:32.760 But it's fun though. 1:41:33.400 --> 1:41:35.200 We have a good time and then I get to 1:41:35.280 --> 1:41:36.960 learn a lot about him and her old stories, and 1:41:37.120 --> 1:41:41.360 you know, it was really I just feel fortunate because 1:41:41.400 --> 1:41:44.320 it's like even with this project, it was a thing 1:41:44.400 --> 1:41:48.120 where he was, you know, really encouraging. It's like, okay, dude, 1:41:49.040 --> 1:41:51.320 well when the last conversation I had with him is 1:41:51.560 --> 1:41:54.080 about Paisley, and I didn't you know, he's just coming 1:41:54.160 --> 1:41:56.880 like what are you doing tonight? Actually just sitting home 1:41:57.080 --> 1:41:59.960 and come out that's all right? And they were rehearsed 1:42:00.000 --> 1:42:00.640 and I think it was. 1:42:02.439 --> 1:42:04.599 Andy Alo was out there and a bunch of the horns. 1:42:04.680 --> 1:42:09.320 You know, he had his his marching band out there with. 1:42:09.439 --> 1:42:14.400 The big Horns from North Carolina. I always wanted to 1:42:14.479 --> 1:42:16.679 know what the predemned situation was those guys. 1:42:17.920 --> 1:42:19.240 He's killing it out there, killing it. 1:42:19.400 --> 1:42:22.800 And he was like, just go up and you start 1:42:22.840 --> 1:42:25.880 talking just about whatever life and he's like, you know, 1:42:26.000 --> 1:42:29.479 what's it seemed like he was waiting for me to get. 1:42:29.360 --> 1:42:30.320 To a certain subject. 1:42:30.360 --> 1:42:32.400 As we start talking about music and everything, It's like, yeah, 1:42:32.400 --> 1:42:34.880 I'm working on some stuff. He said, you're working on something. 1:42:36.120 --> 1:42:38.759 I was like, yeah, I've been working for a minute. 1:42:38.800 --> 1:42:40.720 So he said, because I was wondering, why don't you 1:42:40.720 --> 1:42:44.240 why don't you do something? You know this is you know, 1:42:44.320 --> 1:42:46.519 it's time. And I said, I'm working on it now. 1:42:46.600 --> 1:42:48.800 It's like, can I be a part of it? I 1:42:48.920 --> 1:42:55.600 was like, whoa, No, you're beneath me. 1:42:57.960 --> 1:43:00.439 You know how I feel when I heard want you 1:43:00.479 --> 1:43:00.920 to sing on? 1:43:03.400 --> 1:43:03.760 How did you? 1:43:03.920 --> 1:43:05.280 How did you feel when you got the call to 1:43:05.400 --> 1:43:06.320 single and call my name? 1:43:07.120 --> 1:43:07.280 Oh? 1:43:07.360 --> 1:43:08.080 That was cool man. 1:43:08.120 --> 1:43:10.120 I was like, Okay, the same thing. It was like yeah, 1:43:11.160 --> 1:43:13.960 I think at that time it was yeah. Kirk Comedy 1:43:14.040 --> 1:43:15.880 was like yeah, yeah, pretty want you to come out 1:43:16.000 --> 1:43:18.920 that's something they're doing out here. So it's me, uh 1:43:19.400 --> 1:43:23.160 chance Howard and Kept blackshar Kept and his brother used 1:43:23.200 --> 1:43:26.080 to sing with Prince for a while too, and went 1:43:26.120 --> 1:43:28.519 out there, and you know, I taught us to harmony 1:43:28.560 --> 1:43:29.040 and everything. 1:43:29.920 --> 1:43:32.479 At one point we was like, it sounds too tight. 1:43:32.600 --> 1:43:34.560 Somebody needs to dirty it up, you know, you know, 1:43:34.920 --> 1:43:36.760 it's the harmony's too tight because we're trying to you know, 1:43:36.880 --> 1:43:39.719 sing it like you know, it's like we're. 1:43:39.560 --> 1:43:42.599 Like, okay, cool, and which one of you to sing flat? 1:43:45.200 --> 1:43:47.680 And so yeah, that came out great. And then we 1:43:47.760 --> 1:43:50.200 went out to the uh to l A to do 1:43:50.320 --> 1:43:53.479 the video. And it's around the same time that Ray 1:43:54.000 --> 1:43:58.000 was about to be released, the movie Ray. And I 1:43:58.080 --> 1:44:01.160 remember me said a great time, man, It was said, 1:44:01.160 --> 1:44:02.479 you want to go to this movie. It's like new 1:44:02.560 --> 1:44:04.639 Jamie Fox. He's portraying Ray Charles. 1:44:04.800 --> 1:44:05.160 Like okay. 1:44:05.200 --> 1:44:08.439 So we went to the Sony lot and you know, 1:44:08.560 --> 1:44:11.000 we you know, it's just like amazing. It's like then 1:44:11.040 --> 1:44:12.880 I knew it was like, oh, this is Oscar material 1:44:12.960 --> 1:44:13.479 right here, man. 1:44:14.040 --> 1:44:14.200 You know. 1:44:14.880 --> 1:44:17.639 Then the uh you know, doing the video and everything. 1:44:17.800 --> 1:44:19.720 I remember we jo kind of joking around about the 1:44:20.200 --> 1:44:23.480 Chappelle show, you know all that, you know, the basketball 1:44:23.600 --> 1:44:27.080 basketball scene and everything. We're like, yeah, that was funny, 1:44:27.160 --> 1:44:29.560 such and such and such. Yeah, he said he was 1:44:29.600 --> 1:44:31.960 balling everything and blouses and all that stuff. And he 1:44:32.080 --> 1:44:35.120 was like, and I hear him back of me, it's trill. 1:44:41.439 --> 1:44:47.439 Okay, talk about a super black question. Talk about your 1:44:47.520 --> 1:44:50.880 time on the set of the Academy Award winning film. 1:44:51.000 --> 1:45:12.599 Panther would say, I look like you were not finding 1:45:12.600 --> 1:45:16.160 the black of two minutes in this episode listen. 1:45:16.720 --> 1:45:19.200 Yeah, so that how did that come about? And we're 1:45:19.200 --> 1:45:22.240 talking about the Mario Van people. Panther talk about that 1:45:22.400 --> 1:45:26.160 Ryan Cooper not not not black paint. We're talking about 1:45:26.200 --> 1:45:27.800 Panther with Bobby Brown. 1:45:32.240 --> 1:45:33.479 He was on drugs, wasn't he? 1:45:33.800 --> 1:45:35.639 No he was, Yeah, he was on drugs. 1:45:35.920 --> 1:45:37.360 But then he was in the movie too. 1:45:37.880 --> 1:45:38.639 She's in the movie. 1:45:38.960 --> 1:45:41.559 That's what that was a better reference. Yes, matter, Yeah, 1:45:41.600 --> 1:45:43.160 I was talking about Yeah, he was about the movie. 1:45:43.360 --> 1:45:44.639 I was talking about the movie to I wasnt talking 1:45:44.640 --> 1:45:48.240 about it first. So yeah, dude, So Panther. 1:45:56.400 --> 1:46:05.760 Getting angry. I was just always are. So I think 1:46:05.800 --> 1:46:06.639 it was just the label. 1:46:07.040 --> 1:46:09.120 You know, we're trying to, you know, get more opportunities 1:46:09.200 --> 1:46:11.320 and seeing it that kind of thing, and you know, 1:46:12.400 --> 1:46:14.400 they said anybody wants to act? I was like, yeah, 1:46:14.760 --> 1:46:18.600 absolutely a little bit in my day and uh so 1:46:18.720 --> 1:46:20.439 that came up, Bob, I was like, yeah, were these weirds? 1:46:20.479 --> 1:46:22.559 You guys are the purple suited hipsters? 1:46:22.720 --> 1:46:22.920 Was there? 1:46:23.120 --> 1:46:26.560 You know on script? You know, and we just you know, 1:46:26.720 --> 1:46:28.000 you know, young I do just come on. But I 1:46:28.040 --> 1:46:29.400 think we had a couple of lines I can't remember. 1:46:29.960 --> 1:46:32.600 Yeah, I was out there when the when they're in 1:46:32.680 --> 1:46:33.920 the standoffs right there. 1:46:34.000 --> 1:46:35.840 Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're supposed to come out and kind 1:46:35.880 --> 1:46:38.080 of react to that what's going on? 1:46:38.720 --> 1:46:40.760 You know, your parents must have been proud, you know, 1:46:44.360 --> 1:46:45.559 now you somebody were. 1:46:45.479 --> 1:46:47.400 You or yeah? 1:46:49.040 --> 1:46:52.639 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was crazy. 1:46:52.880 --> 1:46:53.080 Yeah. 1:46:54.040 --> 1:46:58.320 I just remember the most amazing time I have with that. 1:46:58.400 --> 1:47:01.639 It's like we were actually doing the session and right 1:47:02.680 --> 1:47:05.880 before we actually taped everything, there's just there was another 1:47:05.960 --> 1:47:10.080 room that was happening, and D'Angelo was in there, and 1:47:10.200 --> 1:47:15.120 it's like everybody's playing this stuff and we heard ship 1:47:15.160 --> 1:47:17.880 that haven motherfucker he played that and every good body 1:47:18.400 --> 1:47:21.280 he was playing all of it was just like amazing. 1:47:22.000 --> 1:47:24.320 We all just went crazy, like what who is this? 1:47:25.439 --> 1:47:25.800 Arn't you what? 1:47:27.200 --> 1:47:29.679 Amazing? Yeah, just yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:47:29.560 --> 1:47:30.439 It was really dope. Yeah. 1:47:31.240 --> 1:47:33.200 I always forgured that that was like before d' angelo 1:47:33.400 --> 1:47:34.000 was d Angelo. 1:47:34.200 --> 1:47:36.519 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was like a couple of songs 1:47:36.560 --> 1:47:38.479 on the Samplo tape for a second. 1:47:40.479 --> 1:47:43.719 So what what what will the rest of twenty eighteen 1:47:43.800 --> 1:47:46.920 look like for you? And you're playing for twenty nineteen? 1:47:47.320 --> 1:47:52.400 Oh man, just yeah for all hey, yeah, you know, 1:47:53.120 --> 1:47:55.920 just really trying to push you on what I'm doing 1:47:56.000 --> 1:48:01.600 with this, introducing stokely just to my my journey, you know, 1:48:01.680 --> 1:48:03.400 everything I've lurted up into now, Like I said, I 1:48:03.400 --> 1:48:05.679 got a couple more gears. I want to talk about 1:48:05.720 --> 1:48:10.120 different projects you know, uh that I got in my mind. 1:48:10.160 --> 1:48:12.360 I would toast say it like a jazz project, something 1:48:12.400 --> 1:48:16.120 like that, something African inspired inspired, more of this kind 1:48:16.200 --> 1:48:19.160 of journey. More nati is you know pop, you know, 1:48:19.800 --> 1:48:21.320 R and B, sensible, whatever you want to call it. 1:48:21.360 --> 1:48:23.759 I don't want to get into the labels. And because 1:48:25.439 --> 1:48:27.479 HARVERD comes out, man, but definitely more of this. I 1:48:27.520 --> 1:48:30.479 think it's it's a lane that's missed. Like I said, 1:48:30.520 --> 1:48:33.040 I I see it as a hybrid because I'm like 1:48:33.080 --> 1:48:36.400 I feel like I'm I love analog and I love digital. 1:48:36.439 --> 1:48:40.560 I love you know, uh technology, but I'm rooted in 1:48:41.120 --> 1:48:44.880 you know, the past, So I think meshing both of 1:48:44.920 --> 1:48:49.000 those worlds together, that's what pretty much uh introducing stokel. 1:48:49.040 --> 1:48:50.920 I've got a lot of that energy in there, you know, 1:48:51.760 --> 1:48:53.880 so definitely, I mean more touring and just kind of 1:48:53.920 --> 1:48:54.720 creating awareness. 1:48:54.800 --> 1:48:57.640 So that just save a baritone joining for me, that's all. 1:48:58.000 --> 1:49:00.720 Yeah, and that too, Yeah, absolutely serious about that. 1:49:00.840 --> 1:49:04.000 We might be calling man, I know I spun that 1:49:04.360 --> 1:49:07.880 playing your game baby thing already. Yeah, it works. 1:49:08.080 --> 1:49:11.040 You not to be the ask the female questions here, 1:49:11.080 --> 1:49:13.920 but since it's not really asked too much, what's your situation? 1:49:14.479 --> 1:49:14.919 Situation? 1:49:15.080 --> 1:49:16.920 Yeah, like are you married? You got some babies? 1:49:17.000 --> 1:49:21.760 Oh, I take it off and play them. 1:49:29.680 --> 1:49:34.439 About carefully. 1:49:34.560 --> 1:49:34.720 Yeah. 1:49:34.800 --> 1:49:40.479 Yeah, you know the question that I don't have to ask. 1:49:42.479 --> 1:49:43.040 Is it a sister? 1:49:43.760 --> 1:49:52.920 Oh wow, yes, okay, I got some babies we need 1:49:53.000 --> 1:49:58.080 to see from d C. The Howard baby, Yeah, I am. 1:49:59.000 --> 1:50:02.200 Shut it down. Wait, why are you vicarious celebrated? 1:50:03.120 --> 1:50:06.840 Not she's like a sister, She's from d C. And 1:50:07.040 --> 1:50:09.160 she like y'all think I'm black, like she. 1:50:11.680 --> 1:50:12.479 Even matter yet? 1:50:12.640 --> 1:50:14.000 No, I don't need to meet her. He gave me 1:50:14.200 --> 1:50:16.000 facts she's married. 1:50:18.680 --> 1:50:19.560 And she's from d C. 1:50:19.760 --> 1:50:21.720 We were raised and she's of a certain age. We 1:50:21.800 --> 1:50:24.759 were raised. The march we made Martin King Holiday, we thought. 1:50:27.000 --> 1:50:29.400 Please just let people have their misagination in peace. 1:50:44.320 --> 1:50:49.040 Yes, and you're you're touring currently, Yes, yes, yes, doing 1:50:49.400 --> 1:50:51.519 a lot of that weekends. You know, we can worrying 1:50:51.560 --> 1:50:54.360 the chuf everything, the kids. 1:50:54.640 --> 1:50:57.120 Well, we thank you for coming on Request super Thank 1:50:57.160 --> 1:50:57.840 you for having me. 1:51:00.880 --> 1:51:01.519 It's a great show. 1:51:01.560 --> 1:51:04.240 By the way, man, congrats you listen to It's great 1:51:04.280 --> 1:51:06.520 to put the faces voices. 1:51:12.640 --> 1:51:14.920 Hopeful, go right in hope. 1:51:16.320 --> 1:51:19.600 Yeah for our listeners out there, both fante and and 1:51:19.840 --> 1:51:25.280 stokely and yeah and sort of me were we're dealing 1:51:25.360 --> 1:51:29.840 with domestic home situations with our countertops and bathrooms and 1:51:31.120 --> 1:51:32.320 when it's time to pick up in. 1:51:34.120 --> 1:51:35.760 The middle of America and St. 1:51:35.800 --> 1:51:40.120 Paul, ladies and gentlemen, we thank you very much. 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