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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic

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Speaker 2: What up, y'all is Laiyah from teen Supreme? Okay, So

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Speaker 2: it's June, and you know in his Black Music Month. Now,

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Speaker 2: this month and its cause was started by my godmother,

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Speaker 2: Dianna Williams, the legendary Kenny Gamble, and the great and

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Speaker 2: right back in nineteen seventy nine after being invited to

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Speaker 2: the White House along with the Black Music Association. Now,

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Speaker 2: the Black Music Association was a group of black folks

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Speaker 2: that were the best of the best.

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Speaker 3: Of the music industry.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking record execs, I'm talking radio people, I'm talking artists.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking to everybody from Clarence Avon and Frankie Crocker

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Speaker 2: to Percy Sutton, everybody in the middle right. So they

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Speaker 2: all get invited to this big party on the White

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Speaker 2: House lawn June seventh, nineteen seventy nine. And before the

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Speaker 2: performances started, President Carter said many things addressing and reminding

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Speaker 2: people of the importance of Black Music Month, and one

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Speaker 2: of the things he said was end quote in many ways,

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Speaker 2: the feelings of our own black citizens throughout the history

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Speaker 2: of our country has been accurately expressed in the music,

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Speaker 2: and it presents a kind of history of our nation

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Speaker 2: when you go back and see the evolution of black

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Speaker 2: music word. So, we've spoken a lot about Black Music

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Speaker 2: Month on Questlove Supreme and this June we are running

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Speaker 2: a different episode from the QLs archives every single day

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Speaker 2: in the name, spirit and Cause of Black Music Month. Today,

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Speaker 2: we are re releasing an interview with one of my faves.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about Stokely now known as Rick James. Do

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Speaker 2: your thing from men Condition. This is a dope interview, y'all.

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Speaker 4: Sun Supra le sub subra role called subprema so bree

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Speaker 4: my roll.

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Speaker 1: Something something sure, yeah, shank, Yeah, Now what coming man

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Speaker 1: would I be?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: If I this on blank.

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Speaker 3: Roll hanging Wow, my name is Fante.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, y'all know how we go?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my favorite men in the lou Yeah, asturanto something

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Speaker 3: Supremo s.

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Speaker 1: Ro call. My name is Sugar. Yeah, No need to squint, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because my condition.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I need a man.

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Speaker 3: Something roll.

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Speaker 1: Roll paid bill. Yeah, and I'm telling truth.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: When you model your bathroom? Yeah, No, news is good,

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Speaker 1: come Supremo.

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Speaker 2: Roll.

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Speaker 6: I'm a little reluctant. Yeah, to make this confession. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: but make condition. Yeah, made a bad first impression. It's

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Speaker 6: all your now now.

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Speaker 2: It's like yeah and it's no surprise. Yeah my first

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Speaker 2: slow crime. Yeah it's pretty brown eyes.

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Speaker 5: Sup Come, my name is Stokely. Yeah, some might know me. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I play a little bit of Yeah tat t.

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Speaker 3: T ll come Supremo, Supreme roll.

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Speaker 1: Some up roll sire. This is gonna be a good episode. Lad,

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Speaker 1: welcome to Quest Team. Say hello, Hey, anyway, the god

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Speaker 1: Stokely is here with us. That'sition your musicians, musicians, musicians

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Speaker 1: favorite singer. I once watched D'Angelo almost get into a

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Speaker 1: argument for him, like for for him choosing Stokely as

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Speaker 1: one of his favorite singers. Like it was one of

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Speaker 1: those minds where like usually any arguments had to near

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Speaker 1: pugilistic levels. Is always over like songs or albums or

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Speaker 1: this album is better than Puturely. But yeah, it's that's

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Speaker 1: That's what I knew when when he went that hard

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Speaker 7: Then I was like, all right, let me, well, I

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Speaker 7: think Stokely is definitely worth throwing hands over.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you were lazy gentlemen worth throwing hands over.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you, Now.

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Speaker 1: Hit me Bill.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 6: So, so I was watching video solo one day and DONNYE.

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Speaker 6: Simpson is hyping up this new group straight out of Minneapolis.

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Speaker 1: How were you at the time?

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Speaker 3: Twelve?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that was So he's about to throw this video.

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Speaker 6: He's like, yeah, they sign of Jimmy Dame Terry Lewis's label.

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Speaker 6: I'm all hyped up because you already said Minneapolis Jimmy

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Speaker 3: So I'm on board. So the video for are You

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Speaker 3: Free comes on and I did not like that song.

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Speaker 6: I didn't like the video, but then pretty Brown Eyes

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Speaker 6: came out then forev Your.

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Speaker 1: Eyes, and I realized that, so it's all good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that first single like was not it was. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I liked are You Free? But it definitely didn't.

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Speaker 5: But we still ain't Free.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. When's the last time I did that in concert?

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Speaker 8: We did the Disneyland grad Nights and probably ninety two.

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Speaker 8: We've remixed it, Like I'm saying, it would like, you know,

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Speaker 1: On the show, Thanks for having man, I know, that

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Speaker 1: at least Fire Burges is losing her mind right now.

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Speaker 3: Man, I told her fire.

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Speaker 1: Shout out the Fire.

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Speaker 3: Yeah you know, yes, yes, she took me to my

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Speaker 3: first Man Condition concert.

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Speaker 3: Oh wait, I'm years old? Like this is like look

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Speaker 1: Okay, shut out the fire.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I want new bad I get it, I get it.

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Speaker 1: I said, sorry, but y'all y'all good, y'are good? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know so you okay, I don't want to see

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Speaker 1: You born in like six sixties, right, six seven? Yeah, and.

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Speaker 5: There was a group before that.

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Speaker 8: I had my first gig when I was like four,

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Speaker 8: My dad was a friend of his and he was

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Speaker 8: from Panama, Okay, and so he took me with him.

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Speaker 8: My dad didn't know whether it's yea, it sounds good

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Speaker 8: There was another African dance group where just we did

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Speaker 8: like African chants and you know, this was time where

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Speaker 8: It was a small community. And mind you, I didn't

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Speaker 8: And my father's a professor of African studies, African American studies.

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Speaker 8: And so I did that for like thirty thirty five years.

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Speaker 2: Were their lessons like were they filling into gaps.

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Speaker 2: You learned about Africa.

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Speaker 5: You know, African modis Africa.

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Speaker 8: Exactly what. Yeah, But it wasn't so much that I

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Speaker 8: got mad. It was like I was just confused on Wow.

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Speaker 3: Why is that like a thing?

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Speaker 1: But where were your parents born?

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Speaker 5: My dad's from Savannah, my mom's from Fort Dodge, Iva.

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Speaker 8: The met that Wilberforce in Ohio College there, okay, and

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Speaker 8: Like how did play nothing but the radio? You know,

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Speaker 8: Now, so there was some stuff told me because I'd

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Speaker 8: I Mean that's been how Purple Ranglent. It was pretty

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Speaker 5: But y'all stacking up on it.

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Speaker 8: No, we only got this one keyboard, Like, uh, okay,

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Speaker 8: Now what we did do was going in, you know

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: He was that on so much.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So how did the other guys enter your life?

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Speaker 1: shock somebody or whatever. But I mean, was that almost

444
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 1: expected at the time, because I would assume that, you know,

445
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,680
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty whatever. I mean, it was eighty seven, so

446
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 1: Prince was really Prince by the Yeah, so was there

447
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,119
Speaker 1: a need to feel like, Okay, we have to follow that,

448
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 1: like what Jesse Johnson and those guys look like, and

449
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 1: would Masariety and those guys look like.

450
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 8: And I think the whole country at that point was

451
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 8: just like, you know, that was the phase. You just

452
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 8: had to make an impression, make an impact, and that

453
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 8: was that. But you know, also not only that, we

454
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 8: were just trying to be really heavy on the music

455
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 8: and have substance at the same time. You know, you know,

456
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 8: we were a group that we didn't really do covers,

457
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 8: so our shows were limited to certain you know, like

458
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 8: events we didn't really do.

459
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 1: How long were your shows if you didn't do covers.

460
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 8: Damn, we probably only doing thirty minutes. We were doing showcases, well,

461
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,719
Speaker 8: unless we were doing less somebody with you know, somebody's mom,

462
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,360
Speaker 8: so well we can play down after such and such.

463
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 3: You know, they minutes y'all own material.

464
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 8: It was not you know, we weren't interested in anything else.

465
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 8: It was you know, that's rare, but yeah, I know

466
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 8: because I noticed that. Yeah, and we would try to

467
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 8: do you know, had segues and everything, and I was like,

468
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 8: you know, let's do it, like you know, JB or.

469
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 8: We would see all the groups that were there at

470
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 8: that time. It was like that they would play you know,

471
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 8: original music. It's like why yeah, why not? And then

472
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 8: you know, so, I mean it was like the nerve

473
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 8: they to who are these dudes, the nerve of you

474
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 8: to you know, be trying to hit segues and but

475
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 8: you know it worked because we had We would do

476
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 8: these showcases and that's how it got discovered.

477
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,120
Speaker 5: You know, when we were at.

478
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:49,919
Speaker 8: First Avenue, we invited Jam and Lewis. I think at

479
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 8: the time there was a rep from m c A there,

480
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 8: Prince had Levi come down. He said I'd rather see

481
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 8: them than hear them, and so he sent him down.

482
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 8: He's a videotape and so he did. And then after

483
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 8: that show, I think it was just Jam and Lewis

484
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 8: would always say, man, we just you know, signed you

485
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 8: off for your live performance. You know, that was the strongest.

486
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 8: That's what we really really worked on. We had demos

487
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 8: and everything, so it does as well. But that's the

488
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 8: thing that really did it.

489
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: What was the practice regiment?

490
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 5: Like we got it in it was like, you know,

491
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 5: after school, it'd be pretty much all day.

492
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: And at that time, I was where would you practice?

493
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,199
Speaker 8: Like, yeah, it was like warehouses, you know, all those

494
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 8: warehouses you see in purple and stuff like that.

495
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly that how.

496
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 2: You balancing the studying on the weekends and school.

497
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 5: Well let's see, so your parents.

498
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 8: Okay, let me back up. So a lot every group

499
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 8: I've ever been in is like been at my parents'

500
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 8: house in the basement.

501
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 5: There's a lot of group. So that was first.

502
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 8: So after I actually after I graduated, then we started

503
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 8: I was working jobs, odd jobs, that kind of thing.

504
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 8: Then we did the warehouse thing and it got more

505
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 8: serious there, and then from there, if we weren't working,

506
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 8: we was like be like all weekend, be like twelve

507
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 8: hours if you get in there.

508
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 5: And just hit it.

509
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 2: And your parents were supportive because I don't know if

510
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 2: that's what.

511
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 5: They saw for you.

512
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 8: Yeah, well they wanted they wanted school, of course. You know,

513
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:21,360
Speaker 8: Like I decided that I don't know, there's something, there's

514
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 8: something in me. I just I'm gonna take a break

515
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 8: on that, you know, and I just felt something and

516
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 8: you know that was always like, man, my worst nightmares

517
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 8: like you being in around fifty dollars, you know, a

518
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 8: night making musician.

519
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 5: You know, it's like, no, I don't see that, you know.

520
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 8: So I just kind of went from I just said,

521
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 8: I'm gonna try as hard as I can to really

522
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 8: do what I can do, you know. So you know,

523
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,479
Speaker 8: I think the practice thing, that's why we just kind

524
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 8: of work so hard, you know, And a lot of

525
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 8: us do that have that drive whatever it is that

526
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 8: drives us. You know, I know you always here work hard,

527
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 8: just trying to get our ten thousand hours plus in,

528
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 8: you know, right.

529
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 1: You know, So how did you get over your shyness

530
00:26:58,200 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: into really developing your voice?

531
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 5: Is?

532
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 1: I mean, I know everyone's like, oh, yeah, that's my

533
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: natural voice, but do you have a fucking spot on

534
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: skill dass voice? So how do you? You had to

535
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: do some you had to get out of that shine

536
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: it's eventually.

537
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 8: I think part of it was theater. There's a small

538
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 8: theater company. We're not so small. There's a small big

539
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 8: coming up a number. I was in a production there,

540
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 8: and I think that experience opened me up to go

541
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 8: to open me up, you know, just kind of not

542
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 8: to get beyond that, you know. I think also performing

543
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 8: too is one thing because there's a lot of shine

544
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 8: musicians and you know what I mean.

545
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: You there's one thing you didn't mention. Did you not

546
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: have a church experience at all? Yeah, because most black

547
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: musicians have to.

548
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 8: I didn't sing in church pay okay, like the midnight

549
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 8: musicals and stuff. So I was always Now, church definitely

550
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 8: has a big effect because I just knew every time

551
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 8: I went there, I felt like crying, you.

552
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 5: Know, brings all that emotion. I was like, why am

553
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 5: I crying? But it was always crying in church. That's

554
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 5: what it is.

555
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 8: Spiritual is something gets in you and I just all

556
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 8: the the bending of the notes and all that kind

557
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 8: of thing, and you know, just it's just an amazing experience.

558
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 8: So I was playing percussion, you know, some drums and

559
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 8: but just really listening and taking it all in, I think.

560
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 5: But I didn't sing in any choir.

561
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 1: When did you get your first drum set? Was it

562
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 1: a Christmas experience?

563
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 5: Like how Sears and Roebuck.

564
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 3: And uh it was.

565
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 5: I was nine and I heard them stumbling. I was

566
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 5: sleep trying to my dad and my brother try to

567
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 5: set it up, trying and I heard I'm like, this

568
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 5: might be it, you know, I heard them.

569
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: So you don't have to interview me because this month drumming.

570
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: Their first drum.

571
00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 8: Set you mad, like everything, I can't sparkle, but they

572
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 8: had some of the wrong pieces so they had to

573
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 8: take it back and silver sparkles, so I still got yeah,

574
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 8: you still I.

575
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 5: Still got yeah. Yeah, Yeah, it's that feeling, man.

576
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: I know, you'll never there's never a feeling of coming

577
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: downstairs Christmas morning seeing your brand new drums.

578
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's everything.

579
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: Yours came from Serious and Rob Mine. Mine came from

580
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: my dad's drummer's bad drug Habiteah, it's yours now. Who

581
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: were your drumming idols.

582
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 8: At the time, uh An art Laking, Max Roach, So

583
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 8: you were in the jazz drumming Yeah, absolutely, yeah, those

584
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 8: two were for it, you know, just because at the

585
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 8: time I had a couple of I was both formally

586
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 8: and informally taught, so a lot of ear training, but

587
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 8: I had some you know, piano, little piano and uh

588
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 8: drum training and they were like, look, man, if you

589
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 8: can hit jazz, you got everything you learn how to

590
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,239
Speaker 8: read a little bit. But really, if you've got all

591
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 8: those skills of four wad coordination, all those books, you know,

592
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 8: stick control, you know all that stuff.

593
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:23,959
Speaker 1: Stick control. I still have those books. Yeah. So if

594
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: you when you were young, are you imagining yourself as

595
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: more like, were you trying to pursue jazz or his

596
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: R and B looked down upon? Because I know a

597
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: lot of serious jazz musicians that, like, you know, every

598
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: jazz musician looks down on pop music.

599
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know I was.

600
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 8: I think I was right in between it. I could,

601
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 8: I could at the time. I could definitely respect you know,

602
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 8: whole pop music. I liked a lot of it, you

603
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 8: know what I mean, So I can see where all

604
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 8: that stuff fit in. There's a lot of fusion stuff

605
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 8: that I started listening to us like, man, this is

606
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 8: you know, I've turned it forever and all that stuff.

607
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 8: I was like, all that stuff was in there. I

608
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 8: was like, wow, this is crazy, you know they're actually

609
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 8: fitting it in there. But yeah, so I liked it,

610
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 8: you know, I was just kind of I felt like it,

611
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 8: I feel like a hybrid.

612
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: Who will put you on to that stuff? Though? Like

613
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: was it an older cousin or.

614
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 8: That like just people around you know, you know, because

615
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 8: I was always the youngest musician in any group I

616
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 8: was playing in, and you know, it's like, you know,

617
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 8: it's returned to forever. It is a you know, Mike

618
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 8: Stern or whatever. As a you know, it was just

619
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 8: people put me on you know, certain things like that you.

620
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,719
Speaker 1: Study it and yeah, you know, I mean yeah, so, uh,

621
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: what year is it around the time you guys were

622
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: serious about pursuing a record deal like a demo or

623
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: it was signing to Paisley Park or whatever, like.

624
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 5: Eighty eight eighty nine is what happened?

625
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 8: Was you know, after high school, I was like, okay,

626
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 8: I m work and I'm going, you know, try to

627
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 8: do this thing as hard as I came at the time. Uh.

628
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 8: It was probably one time where I was in I

629
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 8: don't know, like twelve bands one time. It's just so

630
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 8: we just working gig in you know.

631
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: You know.

632
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 8: Michael Bland was actually he was actually in met He's

633
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 8: on the first draft of the contract. Michael Bland drummer,

634
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 8: used to play with Prince. He It was right at

635
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 8: the time Prince was was breaking and we were right

636
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 8: at the time we were about to sign, you know,

637
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 8: so he obviously would Prince and that kind of thing.

638
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 8: But between me and Mike, we had like it seemed

639
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 8: like we had all the gigs in time. We was like, man,

640
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 8: we just need to call ourself the drum hos. How

641
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 8: did we go?

642
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: Because I know that a lot of the initial MPG

643
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: musicians were local Minneapolis, like the coach what was Yeah,

644
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: So I mean, could there have been a chance that

645
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: you could have had that gig or like a word

646
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: of audition?

647
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 5: Probably he would just go down there in Jam and

648
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 5: you know, and it'd be killing it, you know.

649
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: Of course, So what's the nightclub that the central nightclub

650
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: that all the bad musicians would be?

651
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 5: That was it Bunkers? Yep, that was it at the time.

652
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 5: Everybody would go down there.

653
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 8: They'd hit their seventies and eighties reviewed kind of thing,

654
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 8: and everybody would come down, you know, and they would,

655
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 8: you know, after their gig whatever they're playing, you know,

656
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 8: whether it be Excel Center or you know, Target Center,

657
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 8: they'd come down.

658
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: You know, they would stay over later than normal.

659
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, like one sometimes I think it'd be two o'clock

660
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 8: at at some point. But yeah, it would come down

661
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 8: there in Jam. But he found out about it and

662
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 8: it's like this group down there and Margaret Cox and

663
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,719
Speaker 8: all these great you know people from Twin Cities.

664
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 5: Amazing, amazing.

665
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 8: So yeah, he just kind of come down there and

666
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 8: you know jam and of course he'll be packed within

667
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 8: ten minutes of people knowing.

668
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: That he's there.

669
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:56,959
Speaker 5: Yeah, that whole thing.

670
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: So it wasn't like he was trying to well that

671
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: he could blend it with I mean people, he.

672
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 5: Was still friends, like yeah, I mean, yeah, absolutely.

673
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 8: I mean if the people knew who he was, it's like,

674
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 8: I think you'd like coming there too, just because he'd

675
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 8: have a little corner. Nobody really bother them. They would

676
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 8: want to, but they can't get them. You know, they're

677
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 8: not say anything. Somebody might say something crazy and he'd

678
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 8: be like.

679
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 7: You know.

680
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: What keeps when? Okay? So I know that in most

681
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: cases that I've seen, I can tell when musicians are

682
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: showing off when someone else is there like, okay, this

683
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: might be my my big chance to flex and what

684
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: what keeps? I would imagine in that environment if he's

685
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: there a lot that everyone's just trying to go for

686
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: broken and show with chops they have and forget that

687
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: you're a unit and.

688
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 8: Right it depends people who don't know how to be cohesive.

689
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 8: When you got those people in this like of course

690
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 8: he's next, you know, and then you have people like look,

691
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 8: stay in the fold, stay in.

692
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 5: Your lane, and make all this shit sound good. You

693
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 5: know what I mean.

694
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 8: That's that's everything you know when you're playing with it ensomer.

695
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 8: So some people would be aware of that, and other

696
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 8: musicians would be like, you know, and just go for it.

697
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 5: And then you know, he would be like.

698
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: Because there's a jam session here in a village underground

699
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: village ground Actually yeah, I mean like Princeton. Larry would

700
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: go there a lot, and it's almost like the same thing.

701
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: It's like these mode of musicians that were like just

702
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: everybody's over playing, like from one one hundred, they're all

703
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: on five hundred. And that used to always just turn

704
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: me off about jam sessions because it's like they're not

705
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: you know, jamming with each other. They're trying to like

706
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: make an impression on whoever the celebrity is like in

707
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: the audience. So yeah, that's crazy.

708
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 8: Yeah, he was more about you know, staying in pocket,

709
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 8: you know, and that kind of thing he would want

710
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 8: to say about keyboard players, like I'm more interested in

711
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 8: their timing, you know, and probably passing cords and that

712
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 8: kind of thing.

713
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: So so how many labels uh offered you guys deals

714
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: before you chose a perspective?

715
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 8: Maybe three or four I think MC it was in there.

716
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 8: Of course a M was in there, might have been

717
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 8: some silly offered Columbia.

718
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: And you guys were always be in conditioned.

719
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,439
Speaker 8: Okay, yeah, yeah, we uh as I was saying before,

720
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,919
Speaker 8: so after I'd say about we formed in nineteen eighty

721
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 8: six and yeah that was that was had the first

722
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,959
Speaker 8: anybody's been to the Mall of America yea America lost.

723
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: Yes.

724
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 5: Uh.

725
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 8: There was a place called the Carlton's Celebrity Room there

726
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 8: and they used to have this thing called Black Arts,

727
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 8: the Black Minnesota Black Music Wars, and it's kind of

728
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 8: Pete and Kim Roha to run it, and they would

729
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 8: have that would be the spot you have the Minnesota

730
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 8: Music Awards, more of the pop stuff, but then you'd

731
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 8: have Black Music warges and the Jesse Mobs variety everybody,

732
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 8: all the.

733
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 5: Acts and everything.

734
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 8: So that's where we first kind of uh cut our

735
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 8: teeth right there, and that's right. Carton Selebrity Room was

736
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 8: right where the Marlve America is now and so that's

737
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:27,280
Speaker 8: that's where it happened.

738
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 5: Nineteen eighty six.

739
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 8: We had these crazy ass outfits on with one leg

740
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 8: mashed out and leather where backwards turned to the audience

741
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 8: is when the curtain came up, like what yeah, we

742
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 8: turned around. It was just yeah great, we had fringes

743
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 8: flying and yeah, we didn't wear no draws and it

744
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 8: was just crazy.

745
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 5: Like we look back it now, like, what do you.

746
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: Guys have a recording of the stuff that you guys

747
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 1: did back then? Yeah?

748
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 5: Yeah it looks would cal.

749
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, some of it's in the the unsung some of.

750
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 5: It yeah, yeah it is yeah, yeah it is yeah.

751
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 2: Curious yeah, because how much time in between eighty six

752
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 2: and the song that Bill hates five years?

753
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 5: Five years? Yeah, and then from there, I guess what happened.

754
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 3: Was why do you have to say it like that?

755
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 2: I just needed a reference.

756
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 5: From there.

757
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 8: So from eighty six, you know, I was still playing

758
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 8: around the drums and everything, and I got offered this

759
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 8: sum this guy named George Pettis.

760
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 5: It was he was doing this choice much.

761
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: Yeah this is yeah, okay, wait he's from Minnesota.

762
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 8: No, but he moved there again. Everybody was flocking trying

763
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 8: to you know, and he had to deal with m

764
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 8: c A. And he was gone on tour opening for

765
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 8: Whitney and uh opportunity to go out with him and

766
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 8: we were That's how I met her in Europe for

767
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 8: like three months.

768
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 5: This was like eighty seven eighty.

769
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: Eight, her second moment for the for the second album.

770
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 8: Then it was the second I believe its second, Yeah,

771
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 8: and so I kind of had to put the mint

772
00:38:59,320 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 8: thing on on the whole.

773
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 5: That's what we whenever we're doing.

774
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 8: And but that was a great experience because you know,

775
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 8: all those people I met and I just kind of

776
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 8: got to see it, you know, up close for about

777
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 8: three something months, you know, over in Europe doing that

778
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 8: and came back and you know, we.

779
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 5: Just started grinding.

780
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: Man.

781
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, what was it that made y'all sign the Perspective

782
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 7: rather than the other labels that was out on the

783
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 7: yoab'll were the first act on the label?

784
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: Correct?

785
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 8: No, some blacks are are Loky, you're the one, yeah,

786
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,720
Speaker 8: are Lucky also from the Twin City. They're from Kansas City, Okay,

787
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 8: but they moved up again. Everybody's moving up there and

788
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 8: we used to have same rehearsal spot that was like

789
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 8: what that?

790
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 2: What was their hit?

791
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: Yeah?

792
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, Sorry.

793
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: Stokes.

794
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 2: I just wanted to ask you have you had your

795
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 2: Your journey is kind of parallel in some ways with

796
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 2: Sheila Ease, So I was just curious if you guys

797
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,479
Speaker 2: have ever talked about that, especially in the drummers since

798
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 2: turned into the artists and the African roots and whatnot,

799
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 2: we haven't talking.

800
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 5: Much about me played together a little bit.

801
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 3: You know, she's African, know, but.

802
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 2: Her African most Latin.

803
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 3: Started you want to East eastaff.

804
00:40:51,960 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 7: Yes, I do as y'alluys, y'all signed perspective.

805
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was because of jam and Lewis.

806
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: You know that.

807
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 8: I think we felt some kinship just because of them

808
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 8: being from the time and you know, after the first

809
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 8: Avenue showcase, I remember walking to my car and I've

810
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 8: seen both of them.

811
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,919
Speaker 5: It's like, ain't so great job, man, we'll talk.

812
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 8: At that time, I had seen enough and you know,

813
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 8: artists around town they were like, you know, we're gonna

814
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 8: do this and nothing happened.

815
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 5: So I was kind of like grain of salt. If

816
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,919
Speaker 5: it happens, great, I was like, yeah, great, sounds great.

817
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 8: Thanks man for coming really showing, you know, because I

818
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:35,919
Speaker 8: definitely appreciated it came out. So that was a big deal,

819
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 8: but I didn't really know if anything.

820
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 5: Was really gonna happen. You know, this is Jam and Lewis,

821
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 5: you know, Jackson, all these people.

822
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: You know.

823
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 8: So two weeks later, we were sitting up in the

824
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 8: flight Time office, you know, They're like, what do you

825
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 8: all want to do. We're like, we want to make

826
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 8: a record, but we want to produce our own ship,

827
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 8: you know what I mean.

828
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, but they were so red

829
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: hot at the moment.

830
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, and they're like, well you can. We said we

831
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 8: wanted to do at least half the album. He was like,

832
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 8: well y'all can do the whole thing. We were like okay, okay, wow.

833
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 5: So I mean that was you know, I don't think

834
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 5: we would have gotten that, you know, any other label,

835
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 5: you know what I mean?

836
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 3: Yes, Like yeah, and then if they would have douced,

837
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 3: y'all would have just sounded just like an R and B.

838
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah right basically. Yeah, So yeah, that was that's

839
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 5: pretty nice. Yeah, gotcha.

840
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 7: When y'all went into recording the first record, because we

841
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 7: talked about are you free?

842
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 3: I like, you, I like, are you free? I just

843
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 3: didn't forget it. It was just one of those records.

844
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 3: It came out, and then it was then when I heard,

845
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 3: you know, the ballance stuff on the record. Why did

846
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 3: they come with that first? What was the what was

847
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:56,439
Speaker 3: the thought?

848
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 5: I guess here's the thing about you know, it just

849
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 5: happened like this.

850
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 8: We weren't really uh we became I guess, really good

851
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,439
Speaker 8: at doing ballads after we came out, but we didn't.

852
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 8: All this stuff was all up temple. We like to

853
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 8: dance and you know, all that kind of stuff, and

854
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 8: you know, I used to be boying ourselves that. I

855
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 8: was always energetic. So I was like, I was like,

856
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 8: why are we going slow like that?

857
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 5: What?

858
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: You know, I was gonna say, for a band with

859
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: such skilled musicianship or whatever, it was it frustrating that

860
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: the songs that were really hitting bullseye with with the

861
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: audience were the slow songs where you guys really couldn't it's.

862
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 3: Flex that much on the fast joints.

863
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was.

864
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 8: It was at first it was like, man, this is

865
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 8: you know, we didn't really understand why we couldn't. We

866
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 8: just learned in the industry. It was like and say, look, man,

867
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 8: you better take you know, if it's hidden, you got

868
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 8: to flow with it, you know. But we hadn't learned

869
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 8: that a little bit later, so that's find a live show,

870
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 8: you said, Okay, we just still we do. But yeah,

871
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 8: it was a little a little frustrating at first because

872
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 8: it's like we tried, you know, people would want to

873
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 8: hear what they want to hear year yeah, and be like, man,

874
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 8: we can't even you know, we can't get what we

875
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 8: want to do. So it was kind of it was

876
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 8: a little weird at first. We had to learn where

877
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 8: how to fit inside of that.

878
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,760
Speaker 2: You know, how did you guys learn to like agree?

879
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 2: Like was there like a mint like voting system on

880
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 2: all things?

881
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,919
Speaker 1: Like how did y'all what six people? Is anything? Ever? Democratic? Yeah?

882
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 8: Like like from songs to like like I don't it's yeah,

883
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 8: it's it's democratic. Is yeah, definitely democratic? And that's that

884
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 8: can be frustrating too, you know, Yeah, being as.

885
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: Though I used to have a relationship with them, I'm

886
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,240
Speaker 1: just saying, like, what is I mean? I can safely

887
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: say that even in the root situation, it's like there's one, three, four, right,

888
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: that seems really good I'm no, really, I've forgotten toak. Damn.

889
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 3: That's bad.

890
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 1: No, you know what, because to just get the final say,

891
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: he gets a final say in the way that I don't.

892
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: His final say is I can't write to about to say.

893
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 1: He can't If he can't write to this, you know,

894
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense. Only my only power is like, well,

895
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: I can't come in the studio, so I'm working on

896
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: this project. So but I'm just saying that there's clicks

897
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 1: and so is it.

898
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 2: But yours is a more uneven balanced than Stokelydell, Like.

899
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: What's the.

900
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 3: Balance of power?

901
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: What's slithering Griffin?

902
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 2: Did y'all have us because you know the roots? Do

903
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 2: they have different buses?

904
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 5: Slythering?

905
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 3: No, I'm on the same bus, and you'll stay together

906
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:43,399
Speaker 3: this whole time.

907
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, we've we've had some healthy debates.

908
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, yo, you got ship.

909
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean we used to go.

910
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I know, I know what For those who

911
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: didn't see that, Yeah, there was some in the beginning,

912
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 1: Like in the beginning, how do you But you've known

913
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: each other since high school, so you should already know

914
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: the personalities. You know who's going to be on CP time,

915
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: you know whose girls saying that you should be rude

916
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: and you know, fighting over this girl and that girl.

917
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: Why are you cock blocking? Whatever? Like how do you.

918
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 2: Who are you?

919
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,439
Speaker 1: Are you guys friends? Yeah?

920
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 8: I mean I'm I'm I'm kind of like the cleanup

921
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 8: clean up guy, utility a little bit whatever the holes

922
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 8: need feeling, you know, Yeah, which is great for me

923
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 8: because it's it's been like a university truth for me.

924
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,399
Speaker 8: I mean, it's just, you know, I think I can

925
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 8: write in the spirit of everybody, because you know, everybody's

926
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 8: a writer and producer and their own right. So a

927
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 8: lot of these songs, they were like, Okay, we're going

928
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 8: to produce a vocal this way.

929
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 5: So I've been that vessel for them, you know what

930
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 5: I mean.

931
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 8: And so I feel like that's an added advantage I have,

932
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 8: so I can, you know, kind of whatever they were thinking,

933
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 8: I want this. It's not something I would do, you know,

934
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 8: but I was like, okay, wow. So I had to

935
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 8: learn that and be patient and so the other patients

936
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 8: for me had to come in kick in hard.

937
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: But so what's the division of labor amongst the band members?

938
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: His glass rehearsals. Who organizes?

939
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 8: I would say that everybody comes with grooves first of all,

940
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 8: like oh Dell, he's like the top of the funk master,

941
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 8: you know, p funk rock and roll.

942
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 5: Rick is like the.

943
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 8: Kind of saying funk rock and roll with really good

944
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 8: rock and roll edge. It writes from a lot of

945
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 8: narrative standpoint, you know, stuff that happens to him, that

946
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 8: kind of thing.

947
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 5: Larry's more related, you know.

948
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 8: His thing is he's perfectionist, incredible keyboard player, and great songwriter.

949
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 8: So he's kind of all over in that area. Jeff

950
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 8: is kind of like he's got a lot of bridge

951
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 8: It's really interesting chor changes and things like that.

952
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 5: It's interesting thoughts, you know. As far as songwriting as well.

953
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:28,280
Speaker 5: I'm kind of like I like to arrange beats.

954
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 8: Is my funny thing is like my I love like

955
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 8: rhythm beats, you know, say like that's just first before

956
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 8: the singing.

957
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 1: And all that.

958
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 8: So it's I'm just kind of like, you know, whatever

959
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 8: holes need feeling, you know. That's that's way I can

960
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 8: explain it, I guess.

961
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 1: And how do you know when a song is done

962
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: and going to make it to the album, are you

963
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,879
Speaker 1: guys A let's do thirty songs and have a vote

964
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: on the best yeah, and then how do you campaign

965
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: your song that's with the problem? Yeah? Yeah, okay, so

966
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: what's it?

967
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 3: Unpopular?

968
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 8: Some stuff is just unanimous. You're like, okay, this is

969
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 8: definitely gonna you got some stuff that because it's like, okay,

970
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 8: we got to let other people besides us listen the

971
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 8: feel and so that's good and bad sometimes because then

972
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 8: you know, depending on who who's people you know see

973
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 8: But isn't it.

974
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 1: Good to have a producer for that because I see

975
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: a producer more as a referee.

976
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I hear you. Yeah and mhm for that reason, Yeah,

977
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 8: definitely would it would be good. But we were our

978
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 8: own referee sometimes, so not.

979
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you recommend that for future practice? I mean

980
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: twenty years later, like do you?

981
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 5: It depends?

982
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,800
Speaker 8: I mean, I think if you have an outside ear afterward.

983
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 8: You know, we started getting that a little bit more

984
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 8: than not so because we knew that we needed that.

985
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 8: It's like, okay, we can't just be insulated like that.

986
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 8: It's got to be other people that realize, you know,

987
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 8: it's get some you know people. I would always say,

988
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 8: you know people some friends and friends who I don't know,

989
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 8: so they're out of it. They don't have any Yeah,

990
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 8: you know what I mean, can you.

991
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: Name a Mint classic that either you felt indifferent about

992
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 1: or didn't like that wound up winning verses or like

993
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: them saying they didn't like I don't like pretty brown lines.

994
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 8: I think all of the hits were pretty unanimous. Where

995
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 8: where it was really jacked up. It's like the people

996
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 8: at the company like stuff like so fine, like pretty

997
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 8: much all of its. So like when we first got

998
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 8: the deal, it's like when you know, when MC I

999
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 8: heard its like now that would have been on the

1000
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 8: demo it was, you know, swing, and it's like it's okay,

1001
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 8: really okay, a lot of these you know, So, I

1002
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 8: mean it was it was kind of like that people

1003
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 8: that at the label that would hear's like you know,

1004
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 8: I mean we did Turning so fine.

1005
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 5: You're like when if you're the guitarre so nobody does

1006
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 5: guitar solos.

1007
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 1: Like wow, there's all the more reason for us to

1008
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: do it. Yeah.

1009
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 8: So, I mean you're Ernie Eisley and you know, these

1010
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 8: great people. So yeah, it was more so the people

1011
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 8: at the labels. I think, like as far as the hits,

1012
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 8: we we knew, you know, Jam and Lewis, we definitely

1013
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,399
Speaker 8: they would be like, okay, you talk about outside ear.

1014
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 8: They would definitely be like, Okay, look, you all need

1015
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 8: to think about this one, or you know, or not

1016
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 8: do so many chords on this you that kind of thing, so,

1017
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 8: you know, which was definitely we learned a lot from them.

1018
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 8: I mean absolutely they knew exactly they had that magic.

1019
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: First album was meant to be meant Yeah. So the

1020
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:52,240
Speaker 1: beginning of it, what were your were you guys personal goals?

1021
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I know everyone's like world domination.

1022
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 5: But.

1023
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 1: For you, was it just like, yo, we want to

1024
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: be like the best black plan ever. Or was it

1025
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 1: like yo, we want to be on that pop level shit?

1026
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 8: Or I think it was you know, we just had

1027
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 8: Join and craft Man just creating. I think part of

1028
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 8: our thing was just we didn't really care about anything

1029
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 8: else but the music. You just wanted to be tight

1030
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 8: and funky and just have an impact. And I think

1031
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 8: that's partly why, like the show was what it was.

1032
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 8: We worked so hard on that, and then we learned

1033
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 8: as we went in the studio, I was discovering my voice.

1034
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 8: Like if you listening to the first album, like to

1035
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 8: the last Couple, you can list all the vocals are

1036
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 8: very tight, and arranging everything is saying, you know, the

1037
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 8: way formally really really tightened is that I got I'm like,

1038
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 8: you know, you got to lett some life in here

1039
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 8: and you breathe. I think that's just that first time,

1040
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 8: you know, doing the ceedy, You're excited and everything. Everybody's

1041
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 8: on edge because you want to be perfect.

1042
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I'm just asking because the early nineties also,

1043
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of black artists that had

1044
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 1: like breakout records and suddenly they're selling in the five

1045
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 1: and six and seven millions. So I know that's hard

1046
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: to ignore. But were you guys say we're gonna stay

1047
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: in our lane and we know that like a cat

1048
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: like Prince rejected Soul Train four times because I don't

1049
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 1: want to be pegged as a soul artist. I want

1050
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 1: bandstand in solid Like, So, were you guys fine with like,

1051
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 1: okay being BT Staples and not? I mean, eventually you

1052
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 1: guys made it on like MTV jams and that sort

1053
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: of thing.

1054
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 5: But yeah, I mean got to understand though too.

1055
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 8: I mean, you know, it was being a band, some

1056
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 8: of our exposure was limited just because it's hard to

1057
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 8: move a band, you know, and we got to we

1058
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:38,879
Speaker 8: even had a thing Exam Lewis at one point because

1059
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 8: it's like, you know, the first few gigs, you're like, look,

1060
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 8: we got to get you all out here, you know,

1061
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 8: because at one point they were doing out of their

1062
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,720
Speaker 8: pocket because A and M they had a joint venture

1063
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 8: with them. They don't believe, they don't get they don't know, right,

1064
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 8: So we got to get you all out here because

1065
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 8: you know, are you free?

1066
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 5: Wasn't free? You say, you know, you know it was

1067
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 5: going on. Sorry, So we got to get y'all out

1068
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 5: here so they would have us doing these track shows.

1069
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 8: You know, how do you and so what we did, okay,

1070
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 8: we got to do that. We're gonna go back and

1071
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 8: remix everything. And that's when the whole you know, Teddy Riley,

1072
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 8: the whole now his whole sound was really prominentent and

1073
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 8: so everybody was dancing and you know, we had a

1074
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 8: lot of choreography back then, and so the pretty yeah,

1075
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 8: pretty much but with the instruments and uh. We were

1076
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 8: doing that until we got to Houston and after the

1077
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:37,800
Speaker 8: show we were getting into the van, heard some do

1078
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 8: that fucking computers.

1079
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:41,720
Speaker 5: This ain't even playing.

1080
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 8: I was like, oh, ship, that's it, that's that's it

1081
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 8: like we gotta we just defeats our whole purpose was

1082
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 8: supposed to be a band like na man, damn. So

1083
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 8: that one Heckler, Yeah, that one. Yeah, thank you Heckler,

1084
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 8: thank you truth. Yeah, it was real real And then

1085
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 8: it hit me. I was like, man, that's he's right.

1086
00:54:59,400 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: You know.

1087
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 5: He just felt like I was. You know, I wouldn't

1088
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 5: my mic would be on, but it was just like

1089
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 5: it did. It wasn't real. Life is live, man. You

1090
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 5: couldn't extend nothing. It's like the track is the track

1091
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 5: and that's it, you know.

1092
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:16,399
Speaker 1: Speaking of Houston, hmm, the world's crazy as human being

1093
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: lives in Houston.

1094
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 3: How does he wind up?

1095
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 2: Uh?

1096
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 1: In the in in the Mint family. Speaking of Chris

1097
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 1: Daddy Dave, Chris Dadlin Dave.

1098
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 8: He met him at Howard University and while we were

1099
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:37,919
Speaker 8: while was going down to charts, we put down put

1100
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 8: out uh Breaking my Heart Pretty Brown Eyes, which was

1101
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 8: going down.

1102
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:46,760
Speaker 5: To charts as well. So yeah, until when we get out.

1103
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 8: In a winter bagel and we went to all the

1104
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 8: HBCUs in the country. Yeah, And so we got to

1105
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 8: Howard University and this was around the time too, where

1106
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 8: you know that I'm telling you about Michael Blant. So

1107
00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 8: we had a uh drummer, A couple of drummers filling

1108
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 8: in correct down Friols.

1109
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 5: What's up?

1110
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 1: So you weren't going to fill Collins this ship?

1111
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 8: No, because at that time I felt like, I know,

1112
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 8: way I can I can't. I felt I started to

1113
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 8: feel differently perform. I started to come into it a

1114
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 8: little bit more, you know. I was still I loved

1115
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 8: the state I couldn't. I could express myself definitely. I

1116
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 8: was learning all about how to perform and.

1117
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 5: That kind of thing.

1118
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,320
Speaker 8: So I was like, I couldn't you know, I couldn't

1119
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 8: do it. I feel I would feel confined, you know.

1120
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:35,280
Speaker 1: Plus none of the girls go for the drummer.

1121
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 5: Put the drums in front, man come to the front,

1122
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 5: to the side.

1123
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1124
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 8: So yeah, it it was at Howard University and jelly

1125
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 8: Beans Johnson was out with us.

1126
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 1: Yeah he was.

1127
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 3: He was playing with y'all.

1128
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, playing with us. Yeah, yeah, it was. It was real.

1129
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 5: And he he went into one of the practice room

1130
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 5: He's like, yeah, man, it's something, dude. Man. He sounded

1131
00:56:59,160 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 5: like Michael Blad you got.

1132
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 8: I was like really a little dude, And I was like, okay,

1133
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 8: but I don't I think I don't know if I

1134
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 8: met him. Then we were on the road and we

1135
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 8: got to Uh. I remember speaking to him. I called

1136
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 8: him when we got to l A and we were

1137
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 8: doing the Disneyland Grad Nights and the Crazy Story too.

1138
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 5: I think I'm like, this is just off.

1139
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: Anything with Chris Dave is definitely crazy.

1140
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1141
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,479
Speaker 8: Now I was thinking about the Grad Knights. I remember

1142
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 8: Leila Hathaway to, yeah, did you play my grad Knights?

1143
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 1: Like what? Oh wow? That was crazy?

1144
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 5: Yeah crazy.

1145
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 8: So yeah, Disney that grad Nights and I ended up color.

1146
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 8: I was like, you know, man, yeah, I have heard

1147
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 8: about you, and if you can just send me, you know,

1148
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 8: just send me something slow, something made, something fast.

1149
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 5: And you know he's like, okay, yeah man, yeah here's

1150
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 5: a voice. Yes yeah, And so it was like okay, cool.

1151
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 8: But it wasn't until you know, I really audition up

1152
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 8: in a flight time and yeahs, cred ahead, chops and everything.

1153
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 8: At that point, I'm just like, Okay, all I need

1154
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 8: you to do right now is I want to feel

1155
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 8: this rise and move like play harder, you know, play harder,

1156
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 8: because I think it was more jazz reinly t killing,

1157
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 8: you know, I like play hard and we're gonna play long.

1158
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 8: And we had these super thick arrangements at the time,

1159
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 8: some of them recorded.

1160
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 5: But he's like, you know, he could handle it.

1161
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 1: Was he that abstract even back, and I didn't even

1162
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: start seeing him droning until like maybe like two thousand

1163
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: and four, two thousand and five. Okay, I had heard

1164
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: about we did one gig with you guys in like Seattle,

1165
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: or at least all you guys were there, like we

1166
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 1: that's the first time I met you guys in Seattle,

1167
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: but you guys had even y'all there the night before

1168
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: or something or whatever. That's the first time my man.

1169
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I've heard of you, Chris Dave.

1170
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 8: But yeah, well he was, you know, we've playing R

1171
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 8: and B stuff, So I mean, that's the gig, is

1172
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 8: what it is. It's kind of somewhat theatrical, but it was,

1173
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 8: you know, we need you to hit that.

1174
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 1: I know he's known for he's an awesome pocket, but

1175
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 1: his calling card and his reputation is based on coloring

1176
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 1: outside of the lines.

1177
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 5: For sure.

1178
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: How in a group so uh disciplined and it's in

1179
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: it in its songs, it's how did that?

1180
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 8: How it was it fits because I call it like

1181
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 8: pocket aggressive, where it's like, okay, there's parameters because sometimes

1182
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 8: we've auditioned drummers in the past they just think it's

1183
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 8: like you go wow, because you know, it's like no,

1184
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 8: there's certain stop signs, you know, from between.

1185
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: Here and here.

1186
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 8: This is just here's where you start out, and there's

1187
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 8: a couple of things and then you have to know

1188
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 8: here you can kind of do what you want, but

1189
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 8: make it tasteful, you know. But sometimes there's certain drummers

1190
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 8: of the song like oh, they're just going off like no,

1191
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 8: it's it's not you got to play the music. It's

1192
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 8: like you know, solo and is like with five percent,

1193
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 8: but I'm just really interested and you know, you got

1194
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 8: to most of the times playing trying to play with

1195
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 8: the ensemble make your head brought, you know, And yeah

1196
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 8: he did that.

1197
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 5: It was just like, you know, we'd have.

1198
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 8: Our part where we do a little little drum battle

1199
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 8: and all that kind of stuff, so which was cool,

1200
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 8: but a lot of it too. We spent a lot

1201
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 8: of time because he lived with me for off and

1202
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 8: on for a couple of years, and we would just

1203
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 8: shed you know, and just kind of exchange ideas. And

1204
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 8: it's so funny because a lot of ideas I hear

1205
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 8: now is just kind of like, you know, just kind

1206
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 8: of the color and I like, I say, coloring outside

1207
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 8: of the line. As far as the tempo changes, you know,

1208
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 8: with inside four four time and all that kind of

1209
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 8: stuff is it's become like a thing ye hear drummer's

1210
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 8: doing now.

1211
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 5: But that was just was just kind of messing around.

1212
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 5: I was like, Wow, that's cool.

1213
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 3: Whose idea was it? One of your most probably iconic moments.

1214
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 3: I remember whose idea was it?

1215
01:00:53,600 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 1: To have half the go to knew the video?

1216
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 2: Please remember the audition of how.

1217
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 3: Like he was like a newscaster or he was like

1218
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 3: a broadcaster.

1219
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 2: He was a broadcast.

1220
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, he was singing in front of the TVs and

1221
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 7: then came under knows.

1222
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm sorry, I know.

1223
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 1: It wasn't.

1224
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 8: Who was this dude just trying to find a ledge man? No,

1225
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 8: that was that was my version of Ilande. I wasn't

1226
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 8: gonna dolines half a bid, you know, shaven man.

1227
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 2: You know, but that video was a whole raror because

1228
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 2: I was just thinking about how I remember the call

1229
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 2: the model call in d C at Howard y'all had

1230
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 2: a whole relationship with Howard in that way where that

1231
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 2: y'all did.

1232
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 5: The The girl was from d C.

1233
01:01:58,280 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 1: That's right.

1234
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, we did a the video contest.

1235
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 1: We won it. Yeah. Yeah.

1236
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 2: So it was that senior year. I remember because I

1237
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 2: slow grind across the street at the A k. A

1238
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 2: House to Pretty Eyes the first time I ever got

1239
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 2: felt us. It was really and everybody else was in

1240
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 2: the coat line because it was the end of the

1241
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 2: party or whatever, but he wanted dance with me one

1242
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 2: more time before the door closing. Pretty Brown Eyes came

1243
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 2: on Forever Your Eyes.

1244
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 8: I just had.

1245
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 1: That.

1246
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 2: It meant like, I'm sorry, all right, okay, what kind

1247
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 2: of man we're gonna get that you don't slow ground

1248
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 2: to that?

1249
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1250
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 2: Right?

1251
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: If people could get married to pretty wings, why can't

1252
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 1: you slow ground? What kind of man?

1253
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 2: Was just awkward lyrics as we listen to those, though

1254
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 2: we listened to the condition lyrics. I feel like it's

1255
01:02:57,080 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 2: the hole at least the hook, you know.

1256
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: The Earth on fire reason story. Yeah, we gave up

1257
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: two million dollars once the couple found out what it meant,

1258
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: like what a couple wanted the earth winding fire Rich

1259
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:12,919
Speaker 1: couple comes singing reasons at their wedding and really opened

1260
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 1: his mouth, was like you sure, and they're like why,

1261
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 1: It's like just about cheating and that's it. It was

1262
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 1: lost two million dollars. Yeah wow, I mean we loved

1263
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 1: every every song is about for you, all the sweet.

1264
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 2: Except for pretty Brown hold on just breaking his heart?

1265
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1266
01:03:37,000 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 7: Fuck the condition to the Sie sage one as we

1267
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 7: lay this morning putting on a playlist called songs for

1268
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 7: February fifty.

1269
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 1: The week the weekend before the seventh February. Oh, we

1270
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 1: told her.

1271
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 3: I wouldn't know that about that.

1272
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, February thirtieth. Baby, I'm sorry.

1273
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 2: Man.

1274
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 1: Wait is there a black love song that pledges black

1275
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:42,439
Speaker 1: love and commitment without being the side piece or music?

1276
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 3: I celebrate my love, yeah, spending my life?

1277
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, but your hair ship is it? Just do me baby?

1278
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 1: That's it?

1279
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 2: And sat.

1280
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 1: Was that well.

1281
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 3: I don't think somebody.

1282
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 1: Second verse the HR though.

1283
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 9: If he shows you, I feel like you're in the

1284
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 9: office and you don't go to HRY.

1285
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 1: Do you ever think you have HR conversation at NBC?

1286
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 1: I know you do now, but like before, every day

1287
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 1: in my life, no, every day in my life is

1288
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 1: how not to go to HR the principals off with.

1289
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:24,479
Speaker 3: The second record, I thought that that was where.

1290
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 7: That was the first record that I listened to like

1291
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:30,480
Speaker 7: all the way down, like complete, and that was probably

1292
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 7: the one that I just played because I felt like

1293
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 7: y'all got your up tempo game right and it was

1294
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 7: really good songs and just everything was dope. What was

1295
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:41,440
Speaker 7: the process between the first record to the second record?

1296
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 8: Well, I guess we'd heard about this sophomore Jenks thing

1297
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 8: with that. Didn't know what it was, what does that mean?

1298
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 8: Just you know, we just said, look, we all come

1299
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 8: with the best songs we can come with.

1300
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 1: You know.

1301
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 5: We were just really.

1302
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 8: Really focused, you know, and having that and we went

1303
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 8: through that process of like, Okay, no, this doesn't sound good.

1304
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 8: And I think at that point, at that point, each

1305
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 8: one of us knew what you know, we were bringing.

1306
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 5: It had to be good.

1307
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 8: And I think we'd learned so much from you know,

1308
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 8: touring from the first album and then first somehow that

1309
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 8: didn't what was really resonating with everybody and it's like, Okay,

1310
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 8: we we really gotta get.

1311
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 5: That, get that up so our tone game.

1312
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 8: I'm a tone dudes, like like drum sounds, keyboard sounds,

1313
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 8: all that kind of stuff had to be on points.

1314
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 5: So I think that was all, you know, part of

1315
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 5: that it was, that was the sum of it.

1316
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 1: You know, what's how's your engineer? Steve Hodges, Jimmy James,

1317
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 1: did you work with you guys at all?

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01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 8: He would kind of oversee because I was, always, like

1319
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 8: I said, interested and it sounds like, for instance, like

1320
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:51,320
Speaker 8: the remember like the drum tones on what kind of man.

1321
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 8: We worked a little bit on that, and I'm just

1322
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 8: kind of watching what he did. But yet amazing, amazing technician.

1323
01:06:59,480 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 2: Man.

1324
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 1: Just what studio did you guys record on flight Time? Yeah?

1325
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, not oh yeah. It was a four studios up

1326
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 8: in there. It was jamming them had their studio. There

1327
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 8: were Studio A was a smaller studio, which I love

1328
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 8: them in their studio, you know, studio scene in the

1329
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 8: studio was a bigger studio. Steve Hodge had his own

1330
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 8: studio and that he mixed primarily in there. But it's

1331
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 8: four of them.

1332
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 1: Is that still in operating in Minnesota?

1333
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 5: It's up there.

1334
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 8: It's uh, Paul Peterson is over there now, Saint Paul

1335
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 8: in the family. But some of the boys they used

1336
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 8: to have Harrison Boys, and so there was all gone

1337
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 8: now and they have different you know, because you don't

1338
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 8: need those big boys.

1339
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 2: And more so during that time, what were some of

1340
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 2: the other projects that were being worked on while you

1341
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 2: guys are in the studio.

1342
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 1: Because you're playing on my Ship? Yeah?

1343
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, what did I do?

1344
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:55,439
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1345
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 3: Ye, he's on the Body that Loves You to.

1346
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 5: Some of that stuff. Man, I would I would do

1347
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 5: those sessions and not know where the song was going.

1348
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:07,520
Speaker 1: Were you guys the band for what Will I Do?

1349
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 5: No?

1350
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 1: No, not that one. You just dreamed on it.

1351
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 8: But I need a remix and I can't remember. Yeah,

1352
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 8: I ended up on it was a giant thing, for sure,

1353
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:22,560
Speaker 8: that must be what. There was so much stuff I

1354
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 8: don't know, some of it don't even know.

1355
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 3: On that album, man, talk about ten million strong. Like

1356
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 3: that song.

1357
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 1: I used to put that when I would make my

1358
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 1: slow jam tapes Midnight.

1359
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:41,640
Speaker 3: I loved doing like my Cake, my cake tapes. I

1360
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 3: kept that tape.

1361
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was like.

1362
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:47,760
Speaker 3: My cake tape was what you made, you know what

1363
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 3: I'm saying. When you it was your music for when

1364
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 3: you was on the phone.

1365
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:53,719
Speaker 1: Cake that cake.

1366
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:56,760
Speaker 5: Cake, So that was what it was.

1367
01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:00,640
Speaker 3: So I kept that song on like that made several iterations,

1368
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 3: you know what I'm.

1369
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 1: Saying, talk about that multivo Where were you? What was yall? Only?

1370
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:10,639
Speaker 1: I did that? I love that record.

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01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:13,719
Speaker 8: That one was influenced. I was listening to this this composer,

1372
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:18,360
Speaker 8: Japanese composer I'll reach yeah, and he had all these

1373
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:20,639
Speaker 8: you know, black rain.

1374
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 1: He did that.

1375
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 5: That that score just amazing.

1376
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:25,760
Speaker 8: I just love his the way he used textures and

1377
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 8: sounds and that kind of thing, and that is where

1378
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 8: that came from. It's just that's that whole thing, and

1379
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:33,600
Speaker 8: then the whole ten million strong kind of thing. Just

1380
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 8: you know, just certain songs coming I can do in

1381
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 8: five minutes. Other times it might be, you know, a

1382
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:41,640
Speaker 8: couple of hours, it might be a week. I'man just

1383
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 8: set it down, the hook is done. I want to

1384
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 8: spend some time with That was just kind of like

1385
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:49,760
Speaker 8: maybe ten minutes on that one, you know, but yeah,

1386
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:50,479
Speaker 8: it was just one of those.

1387
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:52,880
Speaker 5: It was just kind of a vibe. That's exactly for that,

1388
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 5: I mean, just to kind of chill the vibe.

1389
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 7: I certainly feel that purpose going back, I forgot my

1390
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:00,920
Speaker 7: dear on the More Money soundtrack.

1391
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 8: No, it's funny about that, you know, it's the spearheaded

1392
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 8: by Homer Owe Dell guitar player man and that we

1393
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:11,720
Speaker 8: really originally did that for Calling Me Back in a

1394
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 8: group called And but it was produced differently to have

1395
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 8: more of kind of pop sensibility, and they something happened

1396
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:26,800
Speaker 8: when they didn't take the song they were going and

1397
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:31,600
Speaker 8: they didn't, and it's like, okay, we're gonna make it

1398
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 8: for us. So we went in, rehearsed it, you know,

1399
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 8: did the music, and then me and Odell pended. You know,

1400
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:42,520
Speaker 8: we just wanted to make it kind of an extravaganza.

1401
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 1: You know, used to run that joint. Thanks man.

1402
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:51,919
Speaker 3: We talked about soundtrack joints. Jason's lyric trouble was Money Money.

1403
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:53,640
Speaker 1: That one.

1404
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:55,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was.

1405
01:10:57,680 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1406
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 8: They wanted they wanted the songs, but they wanted to it.

1407
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 8: So Carrie Lewis was brilliant at doing that. He had

1408
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:09,480
Speaker 8: Carrie had like a he's like a really great pop sensibility,

1409
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 8: you know, knows the textures to use and everything.

1410
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:13,439
Speaker 3: So he was.

1411
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 8: Really instrumental the group for that. So you pen swinging

1412
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 8: as well me swinging. So yeah, he's just amazing. Still

1413
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 8: to this day, it's just crazy with it.

1414
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 2: Do you really still enjoy singing like your classics, like

1415
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 2: are there's some that you like still enjoy always wanted.

1416
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 5: Because I appreciate the catalog as I appreciate it.

1417
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, as you get older and doing this thing,

1418
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 8: it's like you know what you know, doing music man,

1419
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 8: you know, changing hearts and minds and actually changing you know,

1420
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:47,640
Speaker 8: the vibration is actually going through people and helping. You know,

1421
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:51,240
Speaker 8: it's like feeling different, you know. So it's uh, I

1422
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:54,639
Speaker 8: learned later on life like this really about healing.

1423
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 1: It really is.

1424
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:57,720
Speaker 5: You know, if we didn't have music, I mean, what

1425
01:11:57,800 --> 01:11:59,160
Speaker 5: would that feel like?

1426
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:06,479
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? What is your vocal regimen?

1427
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 7: Because I've I mean I've seen you like a couple

1428
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 7: of times, and you guys are still, you know, twenty

1429
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 7: years later, still singing these songs in the same key

1430
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:15,080
Speaker 7: like you still.

1431
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 3: I shouldn't be, you know, I mean, it's just like

1432
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 3: that's amazing.

1433
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 5: Man, that's you know.

1434
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:25,599
Speaker 8: I definitely try to baby it as much like I'm

1435
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:28,519
Speaker 8: not one of these dudes who have these Some dudes

1436
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 8: can just sing all night and you know the next

1437
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 8: you just got these still lungs.

1438
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:35,840
Speaker 5: I'm like, I gotta do my garlic.

1439
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 8: And my ginger and all that honey, you know, warm up,

1440
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:40,760
Speaker 8: you know, it's a big thing, and really it's just

1441
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 8: about it's just about endurance, really and trying to sing differently.

1442
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 8: You know, your voice changes as you get older, it

1443
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 8: drops a little bit, and but I like where it's

1444
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:54,679
Speaker 8: at now because it kind of rounds it out because.

1445
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 5: I listen back and I'm like, man, I sound like

1446
01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:56,600
Speaker 5: many a.

1447
01:12:57,000 --> 01:13:02,840
Speaker 1: Mouse pete those y'all guys. That the way that you're

1448
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 1: speaking now, that your baritone game is on point when

1449
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 1: your voice resource but you saying and your low register.

1450
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:16,439
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, do the low register? Yeah, and

1451
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:20,560
Speaker 1: you killed it. Like have you ever thought of of

1452
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:25,320
Speaker 1: doing a project where you just use your your your

1453
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 1: low register.

1454
01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 5: And then that day like I already started it.

1455
01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 2: It's like a song on a new record, Like at

1456
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:32,960
Speaker 2: least one song, I feel like you use it.

1457
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:36,360
Speaker 3: Even on the Soulfine remix, you kind of went a

1458
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 3: little lower than normal.

1459
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:37,639
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1460
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 5: I think people are so focused on the.

1461
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 8: Natural high registered and on your life, you know, and

1462
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:47,080
Speaker 8: if they see it live, you know, or they'll ask

1463
01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 8: me that, they assume it's somebody else that's singing.

1464
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 5: That's that's me saying yeah, but.

1465
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 8: Yeah, I enjoy that. I missed that baritone. I missed

1466
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 8: that whole very white out the price sock.

1467
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:01,599
Speaker 5: You know, you know I'm that right. Nobody sings, yeah,

1468
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:03,360
Speaker 5: there's there's there's a lane.

1469
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:05,519
Speaker 2: It's funny you say that about your voice, because last

1470
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:07,800
Speaker 2: night and I were trying to figure out, like, who

1471
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:11,519
Speaker 2: is in your your try vocally right, because you are

1472
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:13,559
Speaker 2: just in an elite situation where there's not a lot

1473
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:14,920
Speaker 2: of people that, oh, he sounds like stuff.

1474
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:20,840
Speaker 3: You y'all need to do a jam together. Yeah, I know,

1475
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 3: y'all like, who's who.

1476
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:25,679
Speaker 6: Together?

1477
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 1: Phrase that because the argument was three between Ray and

1478
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:35,479
Speaker 1: Son and him.

1479
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 2: Okayan and Stokely is like cousins in this game.

1480
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 1: Get me beat up.

1481
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:49,719
Speaker 2: A great producer.

1482
01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:53,000
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's yeah, it is y'all are similar.

1483
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:56,439
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I mean we seen we talk about this,

1484
01:14:56,640 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 8: like what is that? I guess he just comes out

1485
01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:00,639
Speaker 8: and it comes out, man, you know for the first

1486
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:04,680
Speaker 8: I guess you know a little while that breaking my

1487
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 8: Heart was out. Nobody really there. We had no video,

1488
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:10,519
Speaker 8: so they didn't a baby face. It kind of sounded like, Stevie,

1489
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:13,120
Speaker 8: who's what you know? We had gotten?

1490
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:16,760
Speaker 5: I had gotten a few different you know, artists.

1491
01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 7: And people thought it was, you know, on the cover

1492
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 7: of the uh definition of a band album. I'd always

1493
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:25,760
Speaker 7: want to ask you about what was it that made

1494
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 7: y'all not be on the cover and just fos the instruments.

1495
01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 3: I thought it was a statement behind it, But I

1496
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 3: want to hear your definition of a band?

1497
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:36,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, for sure.

1498
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 8: It's like, okay, this is let's be what we are, like, man,

1499
01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:42,679
Speaker 8: enough of this trying to look pretty on the cover

1500
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:43,599
Speaker 8: and that kind of thing.

1501
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 5: Let's just more rugged, be what it is.

1502
01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:48,720
Speaker 8: It's like, we're musicians, let's letting we always say that

1503
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:51,680
Speaker 8: the music is king over everything that speaks, you know,

1504
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:54,679
Speaker 8: So put the instruments on there, you know, the old

1505
01:15:54,880 --> 01:16:00,679
Speaker 8: warehouse looking thing, you know, and that represents us, you know. Definitely.

1506
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:02,720
Speaker 8: I think it was perfect, you know, definition of man.

1507
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:05,439
Speaker 8: Put instruments boom, that's it, and I think it resonated.

1508
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:08,040
Speaker 1: Why did it take you guys three years between on

1509
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:10,640
Speaker 1: that one? And is it risky to well I know

1510
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:15,680
Speaker 1: that well, yeah, for the next three records. It's that

1511
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:16,759
Speaker 1: was ninety six.

1512
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 5: Y between that one and what was one after that?

1513
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 1: Was that aquarium? Well okay eight yeah, man, factory to

1514
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 1: Definition band was three years.

1515
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 8: And then just just toring, you know, a ment factory

1516
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:38,960
Speaker 8: to definite Yeah, touring and h I think to from

1517
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 8: definition band to Life's Aquarium. There was a couple of

1518
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:44,880
Speaker 8: things that happened, so, uh, Carrie had found love, got married,

1519
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:45,559
Speaker 8: you know, all the things.

1520
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:49,400
Speaker 5: We're trying to figure out our sound, you know, and how.

1521
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:50,040
Speaker 3: Did he handle that?

1522
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:52,840
Speaker 1: Did he like give your heads up or was it? Yeah?

1523
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 1: And did you guys handle that? And we did?

1524
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:56,720
Speaker 5: We we were on tour with.

1525
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:02,920
Speaker 1: I didn't watch the Lifetime.

1526
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:07,679
Speaker 3: It was the Lifetime movie? Was it accurate?

1527
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:07,960
Speaker 6: Was it?

1528
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:08,560
Speaker 1: What?

1529
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:11,760
Speaker 2: Was it the Whitney's movie, because I mean, we're not

1530
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 2: Whitney I'm sorry Tony movie.

1531
01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:18,400
Speaker 5: Sorry, No, they mentioned in the movie kind of remember that.

1532
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:27,880
Speaker 5: I only watched half of it, so I'm not I

1533
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:28,760
Speaker 5: don't even know if it was in it.

1534
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 1: But was it good? After the Whitney John and Leah Jorn.

1535
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:36,080
Speaker 1: I didn't do it.

1536
01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw the TC one that wasn't Lifetime, that

1537
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:45,680
Speaker 3: was one life Time. Oh you're thinking about it? Oh

1538
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 3: yet no, little Mama she killed the TLC version, the

1539
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:50,200
Speaker 3: t G. She did good in that one. I wasn't

1540
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:50,960
Speaker 3: met at that one at all.

1541
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:55,240
Speaker 1: So how did they depicted just just for my ignorance, like,

1542
01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 1: how did they depict.

1543
01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:02,719
Speaker 2: The It's been depicted that the band was not happy.

1544
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:04,519
Speaker 2: That's what it's been depicted at all.

1545
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:05,280
Speaker 3: I can imagine that.

1546
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:07,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean with someone for your

1547
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:09,439
Speaker 1: life and then they're like, I'm out in love.

1548
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 8: And then y'all were on tour together to so there

1549
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 8: was a whole thing, right, so that it developed with

1550
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:18,760
Speaker 8: them on tour. So I mean we've seen it kind

1551
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 8: of was like okay, all right, all right, see what's

1552
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:25,360
Speaker 8: going on? And uh so announced getting parried and that

1553
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:25,720
Speaker 8: whole thing.

1554
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:32,120
Speaker 1: Say, Bryce was, I'm sorry, this is a long story.

1555
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:34,840
Speaker 3: He was anyway, good.

1556
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, so they did that, and so we were, yeah,

1557
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 8: I mean everybody in the band wasn't you know, It's like, man,

1558
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:46,240
Speaker 8: what's going to happen? I guess all he was asking

1559
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:49,519
Speaker 8: for is like, look, he's give me some time to work,

1560
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:52,360
Speaker 8: Steff hars gonna happen? Like noah, we got we got

1561
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:56,000
Speaker 8: it roll out man. I guess it was like an ultimatum.

1562
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:58,680
Speaker 8: You know, it's like any out kind of thing. But

1563
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:00,400
Speaker 8: you know, to me, I just thought it was business

1564
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:03,920
Speaker 8: and you know, let you know, short life loves love man,

1565
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:06,479
Speaker 8: let him do this thing. So I went to wedding.

1566
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:09,240
Speaker 8: Some people were supposed to make it and had some

1567
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:20,000
Speaker 8: technical difficulties as well. So in somewhere up bet yeah

1568
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:23,040
Speaker 8: what it was. But I understand that, you know, that's

1569
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:25,519
Speaker 8: just human nature. It's going to be that, you know,

1570
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:28,439
Speaker 8: and it's uh this, you know, I've been married to

1571
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:30,840
Speaker 8: these dudes longer than you know.

1572
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:33,639
Speaker 2: It's very faithful. Like I wonder how many times somebody

1573
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:36,840
Speaker 2: says so stokedly when you're going on solo, like how

1574
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 2: is it like thirty fifty hundred?

1575
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 3: What do you think was there a chance of you

1576
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:42,320
Speaker 3: actually going solo in the late nineties because you did it.

1577
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 3: There was a couple of soundtrack records that was you

1578
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 3: album every.

1579
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:48,479
Speaker 2: Yeah oh in the press and the rate in the

1580
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 2: interview like oh.

1581
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:54,000
Speaker 8: Man, I mean if there was to deal with pretty

1582
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:56,880
Speaker 8: much album's done, it was pretty much every every time.

1583
01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:58,960
Speaker 8: So but I just think there was a ment was

1584
01:19:59,439 --> 01:20:02,479
Speaker 8: you know, necessary, like at that time, there's so many

1585
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:05,320
Speaker 8: solo artists galory, you know, so I'm like, you know,

1586
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 8: I think it needs to be you know what I.

1587
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:09,920
Speaker 5: Mean, it needed to be a making there's nothing like that,

1588
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:11,760
Speaker 5: you know, there's not a roots.

1589
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 1: Am I the only artist that believes that in the

1590
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:23,840
Speaker 1: open marriage like Amie Davis and the Ship. It's no, no, no,

1591
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:26,880
Speaker 1: you can have this, dude, go to common.

1592
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:31,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, but you have to kind of watch that because

1593
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 7: the while you kind of end up cutting your package.

1594
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:35,080
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying, you have to you kind

1595
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:37,599
Speaker 7: of dilute yourself too much. And it's like you saying

1596
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:38,720
Speaker 7: I don't need to cut it.

1597
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 2: Metaphor.

1598
01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:45,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like you, like you, you're diluting you know yourself.

1599
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:47,600
Speaker 7: So it's like, Okay, if I'm here and then I

1600
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:49,800
Speaker 7: start going here and here, here, here, here, here, I

1601
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:50,880
Speaker 7: think it's different yourself.

1602
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:52,719
Speaker 3: I think it's different for musicians versus singers.

1603
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:58,680
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, with drumming, it's hard at all.

1604
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 3: Like was anybody talking, Steve Gett, you're playing on too

1605
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:06,040
Speaker 3: many records, Pinos, gonna have to chill.

1606
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:09,400
Speaker 1: Right, right, yeah, let get these tell you. But I

1607
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 1: think that you know, you would want to, like I

1608
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:16,360
Speaker 1: want to start aside jazz combo with blah blah blah,

1609
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:18,000
Speaker 1: do a supergroup.

1610
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:21,599
Speaker 8: And what the thing it's even like right when I'm

1611
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 8: doing now is all this stuff. It's there's a few

1612
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 8: ways and you can do that, and I've been doing that.

1613
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:29,479
Speaker 8: Actually there's a couple of groups that I played with,

1614
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:32,880
Speaker 8: you know. Still that's been last fifteen probably the whole

1615
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:35,840
Speaker 8: time through. You know, I've always been active, you know before,

1616
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:40,640
Speaker 8: meant you know, during, and now it's just like I

1617
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 8: feel like, you know, I give him so much time,

1618
01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:46,000
Speaker 8: attention and care to that. You know, as a musician

1619
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:47,960
Speaker 8: and artist, you have to figure out you know, I

1620
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 8: put When I do something, I'm like really focused in

1621
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:52,800
Speaker 8: on it. So at this time now I'm just like, Okay,

1622
01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:54,719
Speaker 8: it's time for another facet.

1623
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:55,880
Speaker 1: You know, I have.

1624
01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:57,680
Speaker 8: I got a couple more gears, I think, you know,

1625
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:00,560
Speaker 8: while I'm still healthy and you know I can do it.

1626
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 8: I want to give it it's full attention, you know.

1627
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 8: So there's different ways to do that. I have done

1628
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:07,639
Speaker 8: what you talking about as far as you know, being

1629
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:11,320
Speaker 8: in a group and doing all the other things outside

1630
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 8: of it, you know, making that the mother.

1631
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:16,560
Speaker 1: Do those guys have side options as well or just

1632
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 1: doing different things everything? I'm sorry, you know what I'm saying.

1633
01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:21,720
Speaker 1: Do they have side options as well?

1634
01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:22,960
Speaker 3: Or is this group there.

1635
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:26,720
Speaker 8: Everything everybody's got different things. And that's the thing that's like,

1636
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:28,880
Speaker 8: once they decide to do that, you know, if they

1637
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:31,519
Speaker 8: want to, then you know what they've got. Definitely, it's

1638
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:35,160
Speaker 8: it's they're amazing dudes, you know in so many different ways.

1639
01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:36,960
Speaker 8: They just you just know about me because I'm lead singer,

1640
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:39,720
Speaker 8: you know, and that's usually the way it happens. It's

1641
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:44,560
Speaker 8: a focal point. And yeah, there's there's a lot of

1642
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:46,840
Speaker 8: magic within and beyond me.

1643
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:49,599
Speaker 2: I mean, because there's a moment in reading the title

1644
01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:54,160
Speaker 2: introducing Stokely as a fan where you're like, well, that's nice,

1645
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:57,040
Speaker 2: but what you mean introduced like like.

1646
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:01,479
Speaker 3: When you're starting over. Its introducing.

1647
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:04,080
Speaker 5: Decades of music.

1648
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:05,280
Speaker 1: It don't matter.

1649
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:07,479
Speaker 3: Black people don't read.

1650
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:12,519
Speaker 2: It.

1651
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:15,960
Speaker 7: It's like people like people know you too, they don't

1652
01:23:16,040 --> 01:23:19,280
Speaker 7: know necessarily or yeah, you know what I mean.

1653
01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:21,840
Speaker 2: So it's like, let me ask you just why we're

1654
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 2: on this subject, because I told you one of my

1655
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:26,599
Speaker 2: favorite songs that is yours. Yours was meant something something.

1656
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:28,680
Speaker 2: So the other day we were talking to Fonte and

1657
01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:32,360
Speaker 2: he was saying how he's real selective with his features. However,

1658
01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:34,760
Speaker 2: he was on the condition song you know it's you

1659
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 2: know something something, because that's mean conditions.

1660
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:44,720
Speaker 3: My mama, she Mama, I wouldn't. She didn't validate me

1661
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:50,920
Speaker 3: until that ship was cool. I talk until I got

1662
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 3: a gentleman condition.

1663
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 2: She was like, oh, ship talking, ship like the ship

1664
01:23:55,400 --> 01:23:56,679
Speaker 2: talking is just my favorite.

1665
01:23:58,120 --> 01:23:58,320
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1666
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:01,240
Speaker 3: I couldn't believe. I can't even remember.

1667
01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:03,680
Speaker 7: I think like my manager hit me, but yeah, Like

1668
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 7: me and Rick were talking and he was like, yo,

1669
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:07,840
Speaker 7: we got a joint we want you on and I

1670
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:09,960
Speaker 7: was like all right. I was like, man, crazy.

1671
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:12,120
Speaker 3: So he sent it to me and so I do it.

1672
01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 1: I just do my verse.

1673
01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:17,120
Speaker 7: I'm like, all right, my rap, bam, nick, I'm good,

1674
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:19,960
Speaker 7: sixteen a miuth And so I sent it and so

1675
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 7: then Rick hits me.

1676
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 3: And he's like, yo, man, we love the verse. Stokely

1677
01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:25,160
Speaker 3: wants you to sing on it.

1678
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:25,920
Speaker 5: I was like, nigga, what.

1679
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:33,160
Speaker 3: No, He's like, no, Stokely won't what like, what do

1680
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:33,519
Speaker 3: you want me?

1681
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:35,160
Speaker 5: No?

1682
01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:35,679
Speaker 1: For real?

1683
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:38,799
Speaker 3: That's like yeah, that's like you know, that's crazy.

1684
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:41,639
Speaker 7: So I was like I and so I just went

1685
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:43,720
Speaker 7: back and added like some Marvin harmonies on or whatever,

1686
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:45,840
Speaker 7: and then he hit me back. I was like, Rick,

1687
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:47,360
Speaker 7: I sent you some vocals and I said, but dude,

1688
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 7: I really would rather stokely do these.

1689
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:51,000
Speaker 3: Oh he was like, he was like, let me hear you.

1690
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:51,640
Speaker 1: I sent it to him.

1691
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:53,240
Speaker 3: He was like, dude, we love it, we love it.

1692
01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:55,679
Speaker 3: And so that was the time like that record.

1693
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:58,280
Speaker 7: And then it was another record we just did on

1694
01:24:58,439 --> 01:25:02,160
Speaker 7: Chris's album, the record I the Destiny and Stereo record.

1695
01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:06,000
Speaker 3: I sing the hook on that, but I sung it

1696
01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:08,639
Speaker 3: as a reference for you to sing it. But Chris

1697
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:09,439
Speaker 3: kept my reference.

1698
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:13,720
Speaker 1: Of course. He was you the man. But I heard it.

1699
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:17,000
Speaker 1: I heard like an alien aliens.

1700
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:19,760
Speaker 3: Man, I'm trying to we did. Oh, it was on thing. Okay,

1701
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:27,480
Speaker 3: it was another record. We didn't.

1702
01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:33,599
Speaker 1: Look so where was the record we did?

1703
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:34,000
Speaker 5: Uh?

1704
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:36,519
Speaker 7: It was a brother I leave record and that was

1705
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:38,800
Speaker 7: a joint. I just again, I did the hook on

1706
01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:42,880
Speaker 7: and then I leave. He like, put you in some

1707
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:45,280
Speaker 7: harmonies under me. That ship was stupid. It was called

1708
01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:48,200
Speaker 7: I'll be around. It was man, this had to be

1709
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:49,719
Speaker 7: like two thousand and nine.

1710
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:54,839
Speaker 1: And heard again, nice, you don't remember none of the teachers.

1711
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:57,679
Speaker 5: Man, you were just singing.

1712
01:25:57,800 --> 01:25:59,400
Speaker 3: You were singing on it because I mean, because you

1713
01:25:59,439 --> 01:26:02,839
Speaker 3: were like lead like y'all. He was all over, oh.

1714
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:05,400
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, I need

1715
01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:06,080
Speaker 5: to hear that again.

1716
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:09,599
Speaker 3: I'll send it to yes. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, man,

1717
01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:11,439
Speaker 3: my mother she when I told I did the record

1718
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:14,920
Speaker 3: with y'all. I made it congratulations.

1719
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:16,559
Speaker 1: That is funny.

1720
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:20,040
Speaker 2: Didn't get to touch any of introducers, like was there

1721
01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:20,519
Speaker 2: any memory?

1722
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:22,880
Speaker 8: Was I wanted to make it, you know, because I

1723
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 8: feel like we've done that, you know what I mean?

1724
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:29,160
Speaker 8: Think about it, you know, introducing it's like you know this,

1725
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:32,519
Speaker 8: You're getting me from the rude to the tutor, you know,

1726
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:33,240
Speaker 8: so to speak.

1727
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:36,200
Speaker 2: So playing still drums? Is that somebody?

1728
01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:39,240
Speaker 3: Okayment Records.

1729
01:26:39,439 --> 01:26:41,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, that was my favorite interviews Ash and Rio the

1730
01:26:41,880 --> 01:26:42,759
Speaker 7: Querros Revenge.

1731
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:47,360
Speaker 6: I used to I used to have that ship time

1732
01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:49,599
Speaker 6: so perfectly where I could loop it on my CD player,

1733
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:52,920
Speaker 6: like because it was only like forty three seconds and

1734
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:53,679
Speaker 6: it wasn't long enough.

1735
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:56,679
Speaker 3: If I hit it just right, it would look perfectly.

1736
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:01,599
Speaker 7: That I want to ask you about sometimes on uh

1737
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:05,600
Speaker 7: that record I got that brought the r A to

1738
01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:07,120
Speaker 7: my dormime.

1739
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:09,800
Speaker 3: That was my front.

1740
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:09,920
Speaker 7: No.

1741
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:13,640
Speaker 3: That was like my freshman year of college, and I

1742
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:16,679
Speaker 3: just I was beyond the too loud.

1743
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:18,720
Speaker 1: I think this one is getting mean.

1744
01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:23,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, that joint so I would like just that drum

1745
01:27:24,040 --> 01:27:26,760
Speaker 7: solo man and just a wonderful song.

1746
01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 3: And so I just would have that ship like playing loud.

1747
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:30,680
Speaker 1: How did that?

1748
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:34,559
Speaker 5: That's brother Rick, you know he like on the rock

1749
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:37,479
Speaker 5: and roll Tippy's definitely master at that man.

1750
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:40,599
Speaker 3: That one in fidelity, Yeah yeah.

1751
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:42,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.

1752
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:44,800
Speaker 8: The drum soul was amazing, just I think I like

1753
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:46,840
Speaker 8: the tones and just how raw it is, you know

1754
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:49,760
Speaker 8: what I mean. But as part of his personality, we

1755
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:53,479
Speaker 8: just kind of wonder h push his vision forward. And

1756
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:57,559
Speaker 8: again I feel just really fortunate to be a part

1757
01:27:57,560 --> 01:28:00,599
Speaker 8: of all that. I mean, just creating all those those sonics. Man,

1758
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:01,920
Speaker 8: just amazing magical.

1759
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:03,920
Speaker 5: So Glad resonated with.

1760
01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:08,559
Speaker 7: Somebody record what was the change or what prompted all

1761
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:11,040
Speaker 7: to change from perspective to electure for Life of Warrior?

1762
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:18,559
Speaker 8: Better deal it was, Yeah, so what kind of man?

1763
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:20,280
Speaker 8: We just felt like at the you know, we'd given

1764
01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:21,800
Speaker 8: them a gift and uh uh.

1765
01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:23,840
Speaker 3: Was dropped.

1766
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:26,840
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, I mean it was already it was a

1767
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:30,320
Speaker 8: gift in you know, the regime that came into a

1768
01:28:30,439 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 8: and M didn't really pick up the ball and really

1769
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:34,840
Speaker 8: you could have did a lot.

1770
01:28:34,840 --> 01:28:37,800
Speaker 3: More, you know, And so that record was considered was

1771
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:39,120
Speaker 3: like just like a moderate hit.

1772
01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:41,799
Speaker 5: It was it It was definitely, but it could.

1773
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:44,040
Speaker 1: Have been a hipoppet. Oh yeah, it was just it

1774
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:45,679
Speaker 1: felt like it could have been in a lank star

1775
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:47,760
Speaker 1: move right, it could have been.

1776
01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:49,960
Speaker 8: You know what I mean, it was right there, you know,

1777
01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:51,479
Speaker 8: so they had to do with just pick it up

1778
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:54,519
Speaker 8: and do what they need to do. So that didn't happen,

1779
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:58,080
Speaker 8: and just what they were offering at the time just

1780
01:28:58,120 --> 01:29:00,479
Speaker 8: didn't feel right. You know, a lot of times put

1781
01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:02,160
Speaker 8: their own people in and you know, just a lot

1782
01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:04,679
Speaker 8: of people are fighting. She's like, you keep people are gone.

1783
01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:08,160
Speaker 1: Did you guys have any relationship with and improper like

1784
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:09,480
Speaker 1: guilt Freeeson.

1785
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:10,280
Speaker 3: Or whoever was?

1786
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:11,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, they had.

1787
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:14,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it was just basically your ceiling was jam

1788
01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:16,000
Speaker 1: and Lewis and the perspective people.

1789
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:20,400
Speaker 3: But never right the higher up set.

1790
01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:22,840
Speaker 8: No, I would have been you know, after have we

1791
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:24,600
Speaker 8: had we stayed on there because that's what we you know,

1792
01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:28,720
Speaker 8: at that time, I think it was McClain had came

1793
01:29:28,840 --> 01:29:30,840
Speaker 8: back on, you know at A and M and that

1794
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:32,640
Speaker 8: kind of thing. So they were in the meeting with

1795
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 8: him trying to figure out the future and I'm like,

1796
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:37,400
Speaker 8: well I'd rather get off, and I'm like, okay, we

1797
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:39,240
Speaker 8: just we thought it was gonna be a big deal,

1798
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:40,720
Speaker 8: so you just give us two songs.

1799
01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:42,960
Speaker 5: Out, you know.

1800
01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:45,760
Speaker 8: So then we started talking to a Silver rown over

1801
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:49,439
Speaker 8: at Electra and did that deal pretty quick and she

1802
01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:52,479
Speaker 8: was pretty excited. So and that one was just like,

1803
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:55,560
Speaker 8: I don't he dropped the ball on again. Just the

1804
01:29:55,680 --> 01:29:59,160
Speaker 8: tour support, you know, because I think that was one

1805
01:29:59,160 --> 01:30:00,439
Speaker 8: of one of the reasons why.

1806
01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:02,400
Speaker 7: Now I would say Life of Query that was one

1807
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:06,639
Speaker 7: that I like, you know, like Bossville you talked about

1808
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:09,200
Speaker 7: the are You Free? Life of Querim was the one

1809
01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:12,320
Speaker 7: record where I was kind of like, Okay, what's happening because.

1810
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:15,160
Speaker 3: That's probably my second favorite minelbum. It's so here's the

1811
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:15,760
Speaker 3: other part of it.

1812
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:18,360
Speaker 7: So when I first kind of went through it, and like,

1813
01:30:18,360 --> 01:30:21,200
Speaker 7: because the first single, god, what was the first single?

1814
01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:23,280
Speaker 3: It just didn't sound like y'all. It sounded, you know,

1815
01:30:23,479 --> 01:30:24,320
Speaker 3: very like programming.

1816
01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 7: No, it wasn't if You Love Me that was the ballad,

1817
01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:29,479
Speaker 7: but it was the it was a faster I can't

1818
01:30:29,479 --> 01:30:32,519
Speaker 7: remember what the Charlie that was pretty Lady, that was

1819
01:30:33,160 --> 01:30:34,800
Speaker 7: pleasure touched that body of.

1820
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:42,000
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

1821
01:30:42,120 --> 01:30:45,000
Speaker 7: But so that that threw me off. But like the

1822
01:30:45,160 --> 01:30:47,240
Speaker 7: ballads on that record, you know, what I'm saying like

1823
01:30:47,320 --> 01:30:51,320
Speaker 7: that just the Man for you and this day, this

1824
01:30:51,479 --> 01:30:57,200
Speaker 7: minute and God just uh tonight, like those are some

1825
01:30:57,280 --> 01:30:59,760
Speaker 7: of my favorite Mint songs of all time.

1826
01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:03,280
Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean, you just do what you feel

1827
01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:05,000
Speaker 5: in the moment. Man. It's one of those things where

1828
01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:05,720
Speaker 5: you you know.

1829
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:08,120
Speaker 8: People get what they get from it, and it's you know,

1830
01:31:08,200 --> 01:31:11,240
Speaker 8: whatever your musical sensibility is, you take it or you

1831
01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:14,200
Speaker 8: leave it, and uh, you know, some stuff is hit miss.

1832
01:31:15,880 --> 01:31:18,880
Speaker 7: So when y'all went indy for Living in the Luxury Brown,

1833
01:31:19,120 --> 01:31:22,439
Speaker 7: how is that transition? What major decide to do that?

1834
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:25,120
Speaker 8: So we would go in the independent stage at that point.

1835
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:30,960
Speaker 8: So that was I felt like we all felt like,

1836
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:33,120
Speaker 8: you know, people heard us, but they haven't seen a

1837
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:35,120
Speaker 8: lot of us. So we wanted to do like a

1838
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:38,400
Speaker 8: DVD component, you know with that, you know, living in

1839
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:41,040
Speaker 8: a Luxury Brown and Life from nine thirty Club and

1840
01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:44,679
Speaker 8: you know, yeah DC. Yeah, so it felt like that's

1841
01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:46,479
Speaker 8: the perfect spot to do it. You know, these do

1842
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:51,600
Speaker 8: always showed us love that part of the country and yeah, yeah, absolutely,

1843
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:54,880
Speaker 8: so that's kind of what drove that, and we struck

1844
01:31:55,000 --> 01:32:00,680
Speaker 8: up a deal with Image Entertainment. Yeah yeah, Yeah, it

1845
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:02,799
Speaker 8: was perfect there because they did. They dealt with DVDs

1846
01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:06,400
Speaker 8: and that kind of content, and yeah, that's pretty much

1847
01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:08,360
Speaker 8: where it came from. It just from us wanting to

1848
01:32:08,439 --> 01:32:12,200
Speaker 8: do something that was visual, you know. And yeah it

1849
01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:14,360
Speaker 8: came out great man, until we put all these songs

1850
01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:16,479
Speaker 8: on there. So remember that was not a target.

1851
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:20,760
Speaker 7: My copy they had like an exclusive, so over here

1852
01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:22,120
Speaker 7: I bought it, bought my other target.

1853
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:29,759
Speaker 1: So you have a new album, Stokely. I'm over here.

1854
01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:34,320
Speaker 3: Chatting with Sugar.

1855
01:32:34,640 --> 01:32:36,880
Speaker 1: Yes, Oh Steve, how you doing.

1856
01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:37,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's here.

1857
01:32:41,320 --> 01:32:43,519
Speaker 5: About the yes, sir.

1858
01:32:44,160 --> 01:32:49,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, we started introducing Stokely, So that's like I said,

1859
01:32:49,000 --> 01:32:51,240
Speaker 8: I felt that just you know, starting from the bottom.

1860
01:32:51,320 --> 01:32:53,120
Speaker 8: You know, we got some folks on there with me

1861
01:32:53,200 --> 01:32:53,760
Speaker 8: and some work with.

1862
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:54,559
Speaker 5: Wild A on there.

1863
01:32:55,760 --> 01:32:58,559
Speaker 2: How do you after you waited all this time, how

1864
01:32:58,680 --> 01:33:01,439
Speaker 2: do you get the producers the people that you want

1865
01:33:01,479 --> 01:33:03,599
Speaker 2: to work with together, Because isn't everybody like yo, yeah

1866
01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:05,000
Speaker 2: pick me, pick me, pig me like.

1867
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:08,840
Speaker 8: I did off of Spirit, you know, it's not so

1868
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:11,240
Speaker 8: much off a popularity that kind of thing. Whatever fits

1869
01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:12,640
Speaker 8: what I'm doing, you know.

1870
01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:16,280
Speaker 1: So you've done a lot of stuff with Way though, Yeah.

1871
01:33:16,160 --> 01:33:18,759
Speaker 5: A little bit worked on with last couple of CDs.

1872
01:33:18,920 --> 01:33:24,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, Rob and yeah, So I mean it's just,

1873
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:26,960
Speaker 8: you know, it's like this industry becomes very small. So

1874
01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:30,080
Speaker 8: you know, touring, you see people on and it's like

1875
01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:32,200
Speaker 8: always work together and when it happens, it happens. That

1876
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:34,920
Speaker 8: kind of thing, if the time is free and they're interested,

1877
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:36,600
Speaker 8: if it's something they want to get on, because you know,

1878
01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:40,320
Speaker 8: we're all sensitive. Think they think it's wacking. You know,

1879
01:33:41,479 --> 01:33:44,720
Speaker 8: it won't happen. So I mean, yeah, but we try to,

1880
01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:46,439
Speaker 8: you know, do our best and you know, hopefully make

1881
01:33:46,439 --> 01:33:49,560
Speaker 8: it something that's attractive to other artists. And you know,

1882
01:33:49,680 --> 01:33:55,880
Speaker 8: Carvin Haggins and Ivan Various. Yeah, yeah, absolutely so they amazing,

1883
01:33:57,160 --> 01:33:58,200
Speaker 8: definitely love what they do.

1884
01:33:58,520 --> 01:34:02,799
Speaker 1: You know, I gotta ask. Okay, so there's one project

1885
01:34:03,200 --> 01:34:05,560
Speaker 1: that I'm really interested in that you were part of.

1886
01:34:09,200 --> 01:34:17,040
Speaker 1: You became the facto lead singer of the Revolution for

1887
01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:22,080
Speaker 1: their you know, their a couple of their date tours

1888
01:34:22,160 --> 01:34:24,760
Speaker 1: or whatever. How did that come to be and how

1889
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:31,479
Speaker 1: hard was that for you? Uh? Do you stay off?

1890
01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:34,720
Speaker 5: I don't want to do I've been saying weird, but

1891
01:34:35,080 --> 01:34:38,720
Speaker 5: it wasn't weird. It was just it was surreal. It

1892
01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:42,760
Speaker 5: was it was just a really interesting to me.

1893
01:34:43,120 --> 01:34:47,960
Speaker 1: It's it's uh, I enjoyed, Like I enjoyed it. Someone's

1894
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:50,800
Speaker 1: got to sing those songs, and I'd rather someone that

1895
01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:52,800
Speaker 1: really knows how to sing to sing those songs.

1896
01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:54,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1897
01:34:55,520 --> 01:34:57,320
Speaker 1: And I know for you it might be a thing

1898
01:34:57,439 --> 01:34:59,320
Speaker 1: like I don't want to get pegged in the weddings,

1899
01:34:59,439 --> 01:35:00,920
Speaker 1: the purple singer mode thing.

1900
01:35:02,040 --> 01:35:03,400
Speaker 5: But well, it wasn't that.

1901
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:05,240
Speaker 8: It was just that I was trying to figure out

1902
01:35:05,280 --> 01:35:07,280
Speaker 8: my was like first, I just never thought in the

1903
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:09,880
Speaker 8: main years that what I was like still sometimes like

1904
01:35:09,880 --> 01:35:10,519
Speaker 8: why am I here?

1905
01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:13,040
Speaker 5: You know, I feel like is he not here right now?

1906
01:35:13,080 --> 01:35:14,280
Speaker 5: I'm like, it's just weird.

1907
01:35:14,760 --> 01:35:15,200
Speaker 2: I know that.

1908
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:19,640
Speaker 1: But to me, it's like, you know, I would I

1909
01:35:19,640 --> 01:35:21,840
Speaker 1: would talk to you know the one day you called

1910
01:35:21,880 --> 01:35:25,519
Speaker 1: me or whatever, and I would tell her like, because

1911
01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:27,640
Speaker 1: this was like the early stages of that. There's like

1912
01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:29,679
Speaker 1: maybe the second or third week where I saw something

1913
01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:31,840
Speaker 1: and I was like, look, I know, you guys are

1914
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:34,680
Speaker 1: like really really protective of the brand, and you know

1915
01:35:34,800 --> 01:35:37,720
Speaker 1: want to make sure that no toes the stepped one

1916
01:35:37,800 --> 01:35:40,040
Speaker 1: as if Prince is going to come back to be like, hey,

1917
01:35:40,040 --> 01:35:42,479
Speaker 1: you're stepping on my toes. But I was like, I

1918
01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:44,800
Speaker 1: think she's like, what do you think we should? I said,

1919
01:35:44,840 --> 01:35:47,640
Speaker 1: I think the more that you guys just relax and

1920
01:35:47,720 --> 01:35:51,200
Speaker 1: have fun with it, then that's when the magic starts.

1921
01:35:52,160 --> 01:35:55,040
Speaker 1: And I felt that you were the perfect because of

1922
01:35:55,120 --> 01:36:00,240
Speaker 1: your your your energy that you bring with it. I'm

1923
01:36:00,280 --> 01:36:03,000
Speaker 1: not expecting you to show up with purple high hills

1924
01:36:03,080 --> 01:36:06,360
Speaker 1: and to do splits and start humping the speakers and

1925
01:36:06,360 --> 01:36:13,920
Speaker 1: none of that stuff. So I know that it's it's

1926
01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:18,360
Speaker 1: it's a very weird, vulnerable position to be put in,

1927
01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:23,840
Speaker 1: but I personally encourage it a lot, like I'd rather

1928
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:29,080
Speaker 1: you than say the lead guy from Doctor Fink's Purple Experience.

1929
01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:33,400
Speaker 1: That cat. So how many days did you do with.

1930
01:36:33,439 --> 01:36:37,640
Speaker 5: Him last year? Still doing dates when I I'm not

1931
01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:40,240
Speaker 5: doing my own stuff. I don't know.

1932
01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:43,080
Speaker 1: It was a gang of them, and who sings when

1933
01:36:43,080 --> 01:36:43,599
Speaker 1: you're not there?

1934
01:36:45,240 --> 01:36:49,519
Speaker 5: Nobody they do. Yeah, So the Wendy and Mark had

1935
01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:52,240
Speaker 5: little duties, but it was kind of a weird things.

1936
01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:54,840
Speaker 5: I know that they knew.

1937
01:36:54,960 --> 01:36:57,120
Speaker 8: You know, Prince had a Prince and I had a relationship,

1938
01:36:57,760 --> 01:37:00,640
Speaker 8: and it was he got into a Princeton got to

1939
01:37:00,680 --> 01:37:02,360
Speaker 8: a place where you know, you could see him being

1940
01:37:02,479 --> 01:37:05,519
Speaker 8: kind of mentor to a lot of different artists. You know,

1941
01:37:05,560 --> 01:37:08,160
Speaker 8: he was like becoming that guy, you know, the yodas

1942
01:37:08,240 --> 01:37:13,639
Speaker 8: like you know in the industry, and the conversations which

1943
01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:16,800
Speaker 8: I missed so many conversations. The ones that I miss

1944
01:37:16,920 --> 01:37:19,439
Speaker 8: is like, look, man, we talked about life and everything,

1945
01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:19,960
Speaker 8: that kind of.

1946
01:37:19,960 --> 01:37:22,680
Speaker 1: Thing, and try to take you to kingdom on No,

1947
01:37:24,479 --> 01:37:25,240
Speaker 1: you got lucky.

1948
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:30,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think you know when people get happen to

1949
01:37:30,160 --> 01:37:34,439
Speaker 8: lord sometimes like at the beginning, it's like, yeah, so

1950
01:37:35,439 --> 01:37:35,840
Speaker 8: he may.

1951
01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:36,679
Speaker 3: Still prepaid legal.

1952
01:37:37,040 --> 01:37:42,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's just you're selling it way too hard. I've

1953
01:37:42,800 --> 01:37:49,120
Speaker 7: kind of sold on the same way things. We're just

1954
01:37:49,240 --> 01:37:50,240
Speaker 7: going too far with it.

1955
01:37:51,720 --> 01:37:52,080
Speaker 1: Too much.

1956
01:37:52,200 --> 01:38:05,840
Speaker 3: Zeal Yeah, legal, what's the other?

1957
01:38:05,960 --> 01:38:06,679
Speaker 1: What the other? Scam?

1958
01:38:08,320 --> 01:38:08,519
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1959
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:14,400
Speaker 1: I mean yeah that was those the college. Yeah, you

1960
01:38:14,640 --> 01:38:17,840
Speaker 1: just did you have an experience in all your life?

1961
01:38:20,720 --> 01:38:20,920
Speaker 3: Sure?

1962
01:38:23,680 --> 01:38:26,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, because they came back as uh, they came back

1963
01:38:26,280 --> 01:38:28,639
Speaker 7: as another company and I got recruited for that company,

1964
01:38:28,720 --> 01:38:29,600
Speaker 7: and that to.

1965
01:38:29,640 --> 01:38:34,160
Speaker 3: Telling me, no, wow, scam scam.

1966
01:38:35,240 --> 01:38:35,439
Speaker 1: Way.

1967
01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:39,280
Speaker 2: The first time you did these songs, these print songs,

1968
01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:43,240
Speaker 2: did you have any like unexpected emotional moments that you just.

1969
01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:44,600
Speaker 5: Wait, what is what is this?

1970
01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:45,720
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1971
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:49,840
Speaker 8: Oh for sure, I mean, like I said, doing them,

1972
01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:52,400
Speaker 8: you know, the first couple of shows, you know, definitely

1973
01:38:52,479 --> 01:38:55,320
Speaker 8: cost a little bit, costed a little bit emotionally. You know,

1974
01:38:55,360 --> 01:38:57,360
Speaker 8: I could even see, you know, the first couple of

1975
01:38:57,400 --> 01:38:59,000
Speaker 8: gimes I did, you know, when Manager was there too,

1976
01:38:59,040 --> 01:39:00,920
Speaker 8: and we were like, you know, I do a couple

1977
01:39:00,920 --> 01:39:03,240
Speaker 8: of songs and I go off, like come back on doing,

1978
01:39:03,320 --> 01:39:04,960
Speaker 8: you know, and every time I come off from a

1979
01:39:05,080 --> 01:39:07,160
Speaker 8: fan and I'm watching. In the first couple of times,

1980
01:39:07,320 --> 01:39:11,880
Speaker 8: was like I could see them becoming themselves, but I.

1981
01:39:11,920 --> 01:39:13,320
Speaker 5: Think they were trying to find themselves.

1982
01:39:13,400 --> 01:39:13,519
Speaker 1: You know.

1983
01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:16,360
Speaker 8: It's like we were all like, where is he? This

1984
01:39:16,520 --> 01:39:18,400
Speaker 8: is you know, this is a different experience, you know

1985
01:39:18,439 --> 01:39:21,200
Speaker 8: what I mean. And so I think they're trying to

1986
01:39:21,479 --> 01:39:23,240
Speaker 8: figure out where they fit and all this stuff. And

1987
01:39:23,280 --> 01:39:25,800
Speaker 8: then the fans were looking you know some of the time,

1988
01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:29,599
Speaker 8: you know, I they didn't a lot of fans unless

1989
01:39:29,680 --> 01:39:32,760
Speaker 8: you sing the Purple Rain tour because that was it.

1990
01:39:33,640 --> 01:39:35,400
Speaker 8: You didn't see the revolution, so a lot of people

1991
01:39:35,439 --> 01:39:37,280
Speaker 8: were seeing them for the first time. So it's really

1992
01:39:37,320 --> 01:39:40,000
Speaker 8: emotional for the fans, you know. And by the time

1993
01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:42,160
Speaker 8: you get to you know, sometimes snows in April, it

1994
01:39:42,280 --> 01:39:44,679
Speaker 8: was you know, it was just really never watch yeah,

1995
01:39:45,120 --> 01:39:47,479
Speaker 8: it was it was you know, so now it's more

1996
01:39:47,479 --> 01:39:50,280
Speaker 8: of a celebration. You know, we've you've done it a

1997
01:39:50,360 --> 01:39:52,640
Speaker 8: few times and there's still a lot of fans in

1998
01:39:52,640 --> 01:39:53,880
Speaker 8: the house are seeing it for the first time.

1999
01:39:53,960 --> 01:39:58,280
Speaker 5: It's really it's it's emotional, but you know, I just met.

2000
01:39:58,560 --> 01:39:59,360
Speaker 5: I was just concerned.

2001
01:39:59,439 --> 01:40:00,920
Speaker 8: Like I told mar It's like, well, what what am

2002
01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:02,800
Speaker 8: I going to sing? But you know I'm not in

2003
01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:04,720
Speaker 8: First of all, this dude is an island. Nobody saying

2004
01:40:04,760 --> 01:40:06,519
Speaker 8: we know that. That's that's it.

2005
01:40:06,800 --> 01:40:07,400
Speaker 1: It is what it is.

2006
01:40:07,720 --> 01:40:10,720
Speaker 8: It's a legacy and that kind of thing. So so

2007
01:40:10,800 --> 01:40:12,920
Speaker 8: I said, I have to pick what I think I

2008
01:40:13,040 --> 01:40:15,080
Speaker 8: sound good like. I just because I can do them

2009
01:40:15,120 --> 01:40:16,880
Speaker 8: doesn't mean I should, you know what I mean.

2010
01:40:17,080 --> 01:40:21,600
Speaker 1: So so some songs are sacrilegiously you too, Wow, I.

2011
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:23,840
Speaker 5: Think yeah, I think, yes, I think I shouldn't be

2012
01:40:23,880 --> 01:40:24,240
Speaker 5: doing you.

2013
01:40:24,240 --> 01:40:26,360
Speaker 3: Know, I think the best way to handle that, uh.

2014
01:40:27,160 --> 01:40:30,360
Speaker 1: And I tell them this all the time that like

2015
01:40:30,520 --> 01:40:36,559
Speaker 1: Princess fan base, Prince has the luxury of having non

2016
01:40:36,640 --> 01:40:39,040
Speaker 1: hit songs just as popular as a hit song.

2017
01:40:39,160 --> 01:40:41,200
Speaker 3: Right, Stevie has that luxury.

2018
01:40:42,600 --> 01:40:45,679
Speaker 1: Go for the more obvious stuff, I mean, the less Yeah,

2019
01:40:45,880 --> 01:40:48,040
Speaker 1: like the filler, you know what I mean, Like his

2020
01:40:48,200 --> 01:40:51,040
Speaker 1: filler is just as amazing, you know what I mean,

2021
01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:55,680
Speaker 1: Like slow You Killing Slow Love would be amazing. You know,

2022
01:40:56,040 --> 01:40:58,320
Speaker 1: I know that's not a revolutionary song, but yeah, I

2023
01:40:58,400 --> 01:41:01,680
Speaker 1: get it. I'm just saying that, you know, it's I

2024
01:41:03,160 --> 01:41:07,960
Speaker 1: encourage that moves anyone gets a chance to see the revolution.

2025
01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:10,160
Speaker 2: So what's on the list, though, what don't you touch?

2026
01:41:10,479 --> 01:41:14,200
Speaker 2: Was like holy ground, I.

2027
01:41:14,200 --> 01:41:17,720
Speaker 1: Don't think they would do me baby or okay.

2028
01:41:18,439 --> 01:41:22,680
Speaker 2: Okay, so that's the prince list. That's princess list that

2029
01:41:22,760 --> 01:41:24,200
Speaker 2: he didn't do after a while, that's.

2030
01:41:24,040 --> 01:41:30,280
Speaker 1: What you mean basically, I guess, yeah anyway, So uh.

2031
01:41:32,040 --> 01:41:32,760
Speaker 5: But it's fun though.

2032
01:41:33,400 --> 01:41:35,200
Speaker 8: We have a good time and then I get to

2033
01:41:35,280 --> 01:41:36,960
Speaker 8: learn a lot about him and her old stories, and

2034
01:41:37,120 --> 01:41:41,360
Speaker 8: you know, it was really I just feel fortunate because

2035
01:41:41,400 --> 01:41:44,320
Speaker 8: it's like even with this project, it was a thing

2036
01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:48,120
Speaker 8: where he was, you know, really encouraging. It's like, okay, dude,

2037
01:41:49,040 --> 01:41:51,320
Speaker 8: well when the last conversation I had with him is

2038
01:41:51,560 --> 01:41:54,080
Speaker 8: about Paisley, and I didn't you know, he's just coming

2039
01:41:54,160 --> 01:41:56,880
Speaker 8: like what are you doing tonight? Actually just sitting home

2040
01:41:57,080 --> 01:41:59,960
Speaker 8: and come out that's all right? And they were rehearsed

2041
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:00,640
Speaker 8: and I think it was.

2042
01:42:02,439 --> 01:42:04,599
Speaker 5: Andy Alo was out there and a bunch of the horns.

2043
01:42:04,680 --> 01:42:09,320
Speaker 5: You know, he had his his marching band out there with.

2044
01:42:09,439 --> 01:42:14,400
Speaker 1: The big Horns from North Carolina. I always wanted to

2045
01:42:14,479 --> 01:42:16,679
Speaker 1: know what the predemned situation was those guys.

2046
01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:19,240
Speaker 5: He's killing it out there, killing it.

2047
01:42:19,400 --> 01:42:22,800
Speaker 8: And he was like, just go up and you start

2048
01:42:22,840 --> 01:42:25,880
Speaker 8: talking just about whatever life and he's like, you know,

2049
01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:29,479
Speaker 8: what's it seemed like he was waiting for me to get.

2050
01:42:29,360 --> 01:42:30,320
Speaker 5: To a certain subject.

2051
01:42:30,360 --> 01:42:32,400
Speaker 8: As we start talking about music and everything, It's like, yeah,

2052
01:42:32,400 --> 01:42:34,880
Speaker 8: I'm working on some stuff. He said, you're working on something.

2053
01:42:36,120 --> 01:42:38,759
Speaker 8: I was like, yeah, I've been working for a minute.

2054
01:42:38,800 --> 01:42:40,720
Speaker 8: So he said, because I was wondering, why don't you

2055
01:42:40,720 --> 01:42:44,240
Speaker 8: why don't you do something? You know this is you know,

2056
01:42:44,320 --> 01:42:46,519
Speaker 8: it's time. And I said, I'm working on it now.

2057
01:42:46,600 --> 01:42:48,800
Speaker 8: It's like, can I be a part of it? I

2058
01:42:48,920 --> 01:42:55,600
Speaker 8: was like, whoa, No, you're beneath me.

2059
01:42:57,960 --> 01:43:00,439
Speaker 3: You know how I feel when I heard want you

2060
01:43:00,479 --> 01:43:00,920
Speaker 3: to sing on?

2061
01:43:03,400 --> 01:43:03,760
Speaker 1: How did you?

2062
01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:05,280
Speaker 3: How did you feel when you got the call to

2063
01:43:05,400 --> 01:43:06,320
Speaker 3: single and call my name?

2064
01:43:07,120 --> 01:43:07,280
Speaker 1: Oh?

2065
01:43:07,360 --> 01:43:08,080
Speaker 5: That was cool man.

2066
01:43:08,120 --> 01:43:10,120
Speaker 8: I was like, Okay, the same thing. It was like yeah,

2067
01:43:11,160 --> 01:43:13,960
Speaker 8: I think at that time it was yeah. Kirk Comedy

2068
01:43:14,040 --> 01:43:15,880
Speaker 8: was like yeah, yeah, pretty want you to come out

2069
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:18,920
Speaker 8: that's something they're doing out here. So it's me, uh

2070
01:43:19,400 --> 01:43:23,160
Speaker 8: chance Howard and Kept blackshar Kept and his brother used

2071
01:43:23,200 --> 01:43:26,080
Speaker 8: to sing with Prince for a while too, and went

2072
01:43:26,120 --> 01:43:28,519
Speaker 8: out there, and you know, I taught us to harmony

2073
01:43:28,560 --> 01:43:29,040
Speaker 8: and everything.

2074
01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:32,479
Speaker 5: At one point we was like, it sounds too tight.

2075
01:43:32,600 --> 01:43:34,560
Speaker 8: Somebody needs to dirty it up, you know, you know,

2076
01:43:34,920 --> 01:43:36,760
Speaker 8: it's the harmony's too tight because we're trying to you know,

2077
01:43:36,880 --> 01:43:39,719
Speaker 8: sing it like you know, it's like we're.

2078
01:43:39,560 --> 01:43:42,599
Speaker 1: Like, okay, cool, and which one of you to sing flat?

2079
01:43:45,200 --> 01:43:47,680
Speaker 8: And so yeah, that came out great. And then we

2080
01:43:47,760 --> 01:43:50,200
Speaker 8: went out to the uh to l A to do

2081
01:43:50,320 --> 01:43:53,479
Speaker 8: the video. And it's around the same time that Ray

2082
01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:58,000
Speaker 8: was about to be released, the movie Ray. And I

2083
01:43:58,080 --> 01:44:01,160
Speaker 8: remember me said a great time, man, It was said,

2084
01:44:01,160 --> 01:44:02,479
Speaker 8: you want to go to this movie. It's like new

2085
01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:04,639
Speaker 8: Jamie Fox. He's portraying Ray Charles.

2086
01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:05,160
Speaker 5: Like okay.

2087
01:44:05,200 --> 01:44:08,439
Speaker 8: So we went to the Sony lot and you know,

2088
01:44:08,560 --> 01:44:11,000
Speaker 8: we you know, it's just like amazing. It's like then

2089
01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:12,880
Speaker 8: I knew it was like, oh, this is Oscar material

2090
01:44:12,960 --> 01:44:13,479
Speaker 8: right here, man.

2091
01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:14,200
Speaker 1: You know.

2092
01:44:14,880 --> 01:44:17,639
Speaker 8: Then the uh you know, doing the video and everything.

2093
01:44:17,800 --> 01:44:19,720
Speaker 8: I remember we jo kind of joking around about the

2094
01:44:20,200 --> 01:44:23,480
Speaker 8: Chappelle show, you know all that, you know, the basketball

2095
01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:27,080
Speaker 8: basketball scene and everything. We're like, yeah, that was funny,

2096
01:44:27,160 --> 01:44:29,560
Speaker 8: such and such and such. Yeah, he said he was

2097
01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:31,960
Speaker 8: balling everything and blouses and all that stuff. And he

2098
01:44:32,080 --> 01:44:35,120
Speaker 8: was like, and I hear him back of me, it's trill.

2099
01:44:41,439 --> 01:44:47,439
Speaker 7: Okay, talk about a super black question. Talk about your

2100
01:44:47,520 --> 01:44:50,880
Speaker 7: time on the set of the Academy Award winning film.

2101
01:44:51,000 --> 01:45:12,599
Speaker 3: Panther would say, I look like you were not finding

2102
01:45:12,600 --> 01:45:16,160
Speaker 3: the black of two minutes in this episode listen.

2103
01:45:16,720 --> 01:45:19,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, so that how did that come about? And we're

2104
01:45:19,200 --> 01:45:22,240
Speaker 7: talking about the Mario Van people. Panther talk about that

2105
01:45:22,400 --> 01:45:26,160
Speaker 7: Ryan Cooper not not not black paint. We're talking about

2106
01:45:26,200 --> 01:45:27,800
Speaker 7: Panther with Bobby Brown.

2107
01:45:32,240 --> 01:45:33,479
Speaker 2: He was on drugs, wasn't he?

2108
01:45:33,800 --> 01:45:35,639
Speaker 3: No he was, Yeah, he was on drugs.

2109
01:45:35,920 --> 01:45:37,360
Speaker 1: But then he was in the movie too.

2110
01:45:37,880 --> 01:45:38,639
Speaker 3: She's in the movie.

2111
01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:41,559
Speaker 7: That's what that was a better reference. Yes, matter, Yeah,

2112
01:45:41,600 --> 01:45:43,160
Speaker 7: I was talking about Yeah, he was about the movie.

2113
01:45:43,360 --> 01:45:44,639
Speaker 7: I was talking about the movie to I wasnt talking

2114
01:45:44,640 --> 01:45:48,240
Speaker 7: about it first. So yeah, dude, So Panther.

2115
01:45:56,400 --> 01:46:05,760
Speaker 1: Getting angry. I was just always are. So I think

2116
01:46:05,800 --> 01:46:06,639
Speaker 1: it was just the label.

2117
01:46:07,040 --> 01:46:09,120
Speaker 8: You know, we're trying to, you know, get more opportunities

2118
01:46:09,200 --> 01:46:11,320
Speaker 8: and seeing it that kind of thing, and you know,

2119
01:46:12,400 --> 01:46:14,400
Speaker 8: they said anybody wants to act? I was like, yeah,

2120
01:46:14,760 --> 01:46:18,600
Speaker 8: absolutely a little bit in my day and uh so

2121
01:46:18,720 --> 01:46:20,439
Speaker 8: that came up, Bob, I was like, yeah, were these weirds?

2122
01:46:20,479 --> 01:46:22,559
Speaker 5: You guys are the purple suited hipsters?

2123
01:46:22,720 --> 01:46:22,920
Speaker 1: Was there?

2124
01:46:23,120 --> 01:46:26,560
Speaker 5: You know on script? You know, and we just you know,

2125
01:46:26,720 --> 01:46:28,000
Speaker 5: you know, young I do just come on. But I

2126
01:46:28,040 --> 01:46:29,400
Speaker 5: think we had a couple of lines I can't remember.

2127
01:46:29,960 --> 01:46:32,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was out there when the when they're in

2128
01:46:32,680 --> 01:46:33,920
Speaker 3: the standoffs right there.

2129
01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:35,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're supposed to come out and kind

2130
01:46:35,880 --> 01:46:38,080
Speaker 5: of react to that what's going on?

2131
01:46:38,720 --> 01:46:40,760
Speaker 2: You know, your parents must have been proud, you know,

2132
01:46:44,360 --> 01:46:45,559
Speaker 2: now you somebody were.

2133
01:46:45,479 --> 01:46:47,400
Speaker 1: You or yeah?

2134
01:46:49,040 --> 01:46:52,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was crazy.

2135
01:46:52,880 --> 01:46:53,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2136
01:46:54,040 --> 01:46:58,320
Speaker 5: I just remember the most amazing time I have with that.

2137
01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:01,639
Speaker 8: It's like we were actually doing the session and right

2138
01:47:02,680 --> 01:47:05,880
Speaker 8: before we actually taped everything, there's just there was another

2139
01:47:05,960 --> 01:47:10,080
Speaker 8: room that was happening, and D'Angelo was in there, and

2140
01:47:10,200 --> 01:47:15,120
Speaker 8: it's like everybody's playing this stuff and we heard ship

2141
01:47:15,160 --> 01:47:17,880
Speaker 8: that haven motherfucker he played that and every good body

2142
01:47:18,400 --> 01:47:21,280
Speaker 8: he was playing all of it was just like amazing.

2143
01:47:22,000 --> 01:47:24,320
Speaker 5: We all just went crazy, like what who is this?

2144
01:47:25,439 --> 01:47:25,800
Speaker 1: Arn't you what?

2145
01:47:27,200 --> 01:47:29,679
Speaker 5: Amazing? Yeah, just yeah, yeah, yeah.

2146
01:47:29,560 --> 01:47:30,439
Speaker 1: It was really dope. Yeah.

2147
01:47:31,240 --> 01:47:33,200
Speaker 3: I always forgured that that was like before d' angelo

2148
01:47:33,400 --> 01:47:34,000
Speaker 3: was d Angelo.

2149
01:47:34,200 --> 01:47:36,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was like a couple of songs

2150
01:47:36,560 --> 01:47:38,479
Speaker 2: on the Samplo tape for a second.

2151
01:47:40,479 --> 01:47:43,719
Speaker 1: So what what what will the rest of twenty eighteen

2152
01:47:43,800 --> 01:47:46,920
Speaker 1: look like for you? And you're playing for twenty nineteen?

2153
01:47:47,320 --> 01:47:52,400
Speaker 8: Oh man, just yeah for all hey, yeah, you know,

2154
01:47:53,120 --> 01:47:55,920
Speaker 8: just really trying to push you on what I'm doing

2155
01:47:56,000 --> 01:48:01,600
Speaker 8: with this, introducing stokely just to my my journey, you know,

2156
01:48:01,680 --> 01:48:03,400
Speaker 8: everything I've lurted up into now, Like I said, I

2157
01:48:03,400 --> 01:48:05,679
Speaker 8: got a couple more gears. I want to talk about

2158
01:48:05,720 --> 01:48:10,120
Speaker 8: different projects you know, uh that I got in my mind.

2159
01:48:10,160 --> 01:48:12,360
Speaker 8: I would toast say it like a jazz project, something

2160
01:48:12,400 --> 01:48:16,120
Speaker 8: like that, something African inspired inspired, more of this kind

2161
01:48:16,200 --> 01:48:19,160
Speaker 8: of journey. More nati is you know pop, you know,

2162
01:48:19,800 --> 01:48:21,320
Speaker 8: R and B, sensible, whatever you want to call it.

2163
01:48:21,360 --> 01:48:23,759
Speaker 8: I don't want to get into the labels. And because

2164
01:48:25,439 --> 01:48:27,479
Speaker 8: HARVERD comes out, man, but definitely more of this. I

2165
01:48:27,520 --> 01:48:30,479
Speaker 8: think it's it's a lane that's missed. Like I said,

2166
01:48:30,520 --> 01:48:33,040
Speaker 8: I I see it as a hybrid because I'm like

2167
01:48:33,080 --> 01:48:36,400
Speaker 8: I feel like I'm I love analog and I love digital.

2168
01:48:36,439 --> 01:48:40,560
Speaker 8: I love you know, uh technology, but I'm rooted in

2169
01:48:41,120 --> 01:48:44,880
Speaker 8: you know, the past, So I think meshing both of

2170
01:48:44,920 --> 01:48:49,000
Speaker 8: those worlds together, that's what pretty much uh introducing stokel.

2171
01:48:49,040 --> 01:48:50,920
Speaker 8: I've got a lot of that energy in there, you know,

2172
01:48:51,760 --> 01:48:53,880
Speaker 8: so definitely, I mean more touring and just kind of

2173
01:48:53,920 --> 01:48:54,720
Speaker 8: creating awareness.

2174
01:48:54,800 --> 01:48:57,640
Speaker 3: So that just save a baritone joining for me, that's all.

2175
01:48:58,000 --> 01:49:00,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that too, Yeah, absolutely serious about that.

2176
01:49:00,840 --> 01:49:04,000
Speaker 1: We might be calling man, I know I spun that

2177
01:49:04,360 --> 01:49:07,880
Speaker 1: playing your game baby thing already. Yeah, it works.

2178
01:49:08,080 --> 01:49:11,040
Speaker 2: You not to be the ask the female questions here,

2179
01:49:11,080 --> 01:49:13,920
Speaker 2: but since it's not really asked too much, what's your situation?

2180
01:49:14,479 --> 01:49:14,919
Speaker 5: Situation?

2181
01:49:15,080 --> 01:49:16,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, like are you married? You got some babies?

2182
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Speaker 5: Oh, I take it off and play them.

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Speaker 1: About carefully.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know the question that I don't have to ask.

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Speaker 2: Is it a sister?

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Speaker 5: Oh wow, yes, okay, I got some babies we need

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Speaker 5: to see from d C. The Howard baby, Yeah, I am.

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Speaker 1: Shut it down. Wait, why are you vicarious celebrated?

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Speaker 2: Not she's like a sister, She's from d C. And

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Speaker 2: she like y'all think I'm black, like she.

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Speaker 3: Even matter yet?

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Speaker 2: No, I don't need to meet her. He gave me

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Speaker 2: facts she's married.

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Speaker 1: And she's from d C.

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Speaker 2: We were raised and she's of a certain age. We

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Speaker 2: were raised. The march we made Martin King Holiday, we thought.

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Speaker 3: Please just let people have their misagination in peace.

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Speaker 8: Yes, and you're you're touring currently, Yes, yes, yes, doing

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Speaker 8: a lot of that weekends. You know, we can worrying

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Speaker 8: the chuf everything, the kids.

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Speaker 1: Well, we thank you for coming on Request super Thank

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Speaker 1: you for having me.

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Speaker 5: It's a great show.

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Speaker 8: By the way, man, congrats you listen to It's great

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Speaker 8: to put the faces voices.

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Speaker 3: Hopeful, go right in hope.

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Speaker 1: Yeah for our listeners out there, both fante and and

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Speaker 1: stokely and yeah and sort of me were we're dealing

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Speaker 1: with domestic home situations with our countertops and bathrooms and

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Speaker 1: when it's time to pick up in.

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Speaker 5: The middle of America and St.

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Speaker 1: Paul, ladies and gentlemen, we thank you very much. There

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Speaker 1: the Team Supreme and it's like on the next round.

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