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Speaker 1: You're listening to Draftings Network.

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Speaker 2: The John Nick and Kenny Florian podcast John Annik and

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Speaker 2: Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 3: I love him.

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Speaker 1: It took me four hundred and fifty episodes to get

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Speaker 1: a proper studio, but here we are, Ken Flow. There's

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Speaker 1: some philosophical saying about the space you're in relative to

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Speaker 1: you and Ken Flow coming up on nine years of

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Speaker 1: the ankin Florian podcast presented by Draftings, to have you

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Speaker 1: with us today and always? But he said, how do

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Speaker 1: I said, this is the only time I would get

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Speaker 1: just feels so re energizing. And uh, I don't know

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Speaker 1: how it sounds, I don't know how it looks. But

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Speaker 4: Who Mike Jones, Dude, it looks phenomenal, It sounds excellent.

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Speaker 4: You look great. I love the lighting that the camera

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Speaker 1: Well, it's all an evolution. Your shot looks great in

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Speaker 4: Do they call that stuff? My wife's like, it's too busy.

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Speaker 4: You got too much crap there. You gotta you gotta,

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Speaker 4: you gotta clean it up. So I got to rethink everything.

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Speaker 1: So we've been working hard to get this new studio

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Speaker 1: ready for the Anakin Florian podcas. We will also tape

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Speaker 1: other shows in here. Remember the show with Balao Muhammad

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Speaker 1: will Annix Squared, our seasonal NFL podcast. So we got

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Speaker 1: switching cameras here now. Our executive producer, Cody Merrow is

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Speaker 1: of today's episode. So here's our wide shot. Here is

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Speaker 1: our with me. So when Dean Thomas or anybody else

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Speaker 1: So I'll have to sort of clean up my my

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Speaker 1: unit in my area here Ken Flow. But this is

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Speaker 4: I like the fact that we have proof that John

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Speaker 1: longtime UFC director. All right, So it is Sunday, November nineteenth,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. It is episode four fifty of the

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Speaker 1: anikin Floring Podcast presented by DraftKings. We are on the

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Speaker 1: DraftKings Network once this week because of the Thanksgiving holiday.

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Speaker 1: We are on the DraftKings YouTube channel, clips on the

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Speaker 1: Anikinploring podcast YouTube channel as well, and everything has been

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Speaker 1: compartmentalized at John Annak dot com. But we have a

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Speaker 1: lot to get into today UFC Fight Night Allen versus Craig.

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Speaker 1: We will recap that ken flow holiday week for the PFL.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what are you doing for Thanksgiving? You breaking

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Speaker 1: bread with George X? Is that what's going on in.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna be probably looking at guys taking her clothes

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Speaker 4: off and getting on a scale. All right, we know

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Speaker 4: something like that, you know, So you know it's way

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Speaker 4: in day for me. Not that I'm weighing in thankfully,

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Speaker 4: but yeah, I'm at work, dude, I miss Thanksgiving. It's

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Speaker 4: funny because when I was fighting, I would always miss

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Speaker 4: Thanksgiving just so I wouldn't put on weight. I would

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Speaker 4: always go up to Canada where they don't celebrate Thanksgiving,

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Speaker 4: just so I wouldn't kept myself. But here we are again.

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Speaker 1: So the wigh in is on Thanksgiving Day? Is that

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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving morning?

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Speaker 4: Thanksgiving morning exactly? Then we have like a show later

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Speaker 4: on the night. It's like, yeah, Anyways, it's just it's

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Speaker 4: it's hilarious. It's like, well, I got to say I

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Speaker 4: actually made a little mini Thanksgiving dinner for me and

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Speaker 4: last night, so that was very kind, Clark, thank you

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Speaker 4: very much.

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Speaker 1: All Right, Well, we will time permitting get into some

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Speaker 1: of those matchups. I was sort of thinking, right, and

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Speaker 1: I don't know contractually what my contract says. I don't

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Speaker 1: I make predictions in the main event challenge on Olivia

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Speaker 1: ha Mercier versus Clay call it? Yeah, part of the

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Speaker 1: impetus for me stopping making picks. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: And not for nothing, you fucking hate making picks. So

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Speaker 1: if I don't have to this is true, I think

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Speaker 1: it's just a gambler and me to want it for yourself.

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Speaker 1: On Josh Silvera and IMPA Hasan Ca and I Cody,

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Speaker 1: if you could chase some bedding lines and maybe populate

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Speaker 1: those into the chat, that would just be outstanding. But

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Speaker 1: we have a lot to get into UFC Fight Night

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Speaker 1: Allen versus Craig. We will talk to the pfl's Derek Brunston,

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Speaker 1: who is kite fighting Ray Cooper, the third coming up

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Speaker 1: and man seems like a polarizing contender already, which I

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Speaker 1: it seems like one of your type of guys, Brendan Allen.

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Speaker 4: Many great things. I'll try to stay focused because so

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Speaker 4: much went on. There were so many great exchanges that

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Speaker 4: I had to fight with a certain level of composure

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Speaker 4: years ago. He always had the talent, he always had

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Speaker 4: the skills in various areas of mixed martial arts. But

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Speaker 4: and he was just always two or three steps ahead

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Speaker 4: of Paul Craig. There was one close call on that

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Speaker 4: I don't see an area where Paul Craig had anything

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Speaker 4: Craig walk into that octagon, You're going, man, this guy

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Speaker 4: is absolutely massive. What is Brendan Allen going to do

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Speaker 4: with that reach? What is he going to do when

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Speaker 4: he locks up with a guy that big, Well, he's

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Speaker 4: going to throw him on his head, That's what he's

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Speaker 4: Allen did so well. If he wasn't passing the guard,

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Speaker 4: he was smashing the guard with short elbows, hammerfists and punches.

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Speaker 4: It was just beautiful to watch. Man, This was a

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Speaker 4: complete performance from Brendan Allen. He did at the right

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Speaker 1: There was one compromising situation in the fight for Brendan

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Speaker 1: Allen on the ground. Could you talk us through that

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Speaker 1: a little bit? Obviously his submission defense held up in

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Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, Now you know, Dominic Cruz was talking about

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Speaker 4: that scorpion lock or that lockdown position from half guard

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Speaker 4: that Paul Craig was utilizing, and he has such long

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Speaker 4: a little bit of torque on the knee. It then

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Speaker 4: became a calf slicer. And I thought Brendan Allen did

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Speaker 4: a great job of actually turning, giving his back which

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Speaker 4: play so he can actually like pry his leg out

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Speaker 4: of that position. If he didn't do that, he would

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Speaker 4: have at the very least dealt with the bad knee injury.

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Speaker 4: Hopefully his leg is still okay, because it was a

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Speaker 4: little bit funky in there, But I thought it was

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Speaker 4: a great job by Brendan Allen to get his other

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Speaker 4: leg involved. It looked like he was giving up his

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Speaker 4: which got pelt Paul to actually play defensively. He was

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Speaker 4: the closest Paul Craig was in that fight. Yeah, and

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Speaker 4: it was tricky, but I think for Brendan Allen moving forward,

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Speaker 1: a particularly challenging stylistic matchup right, Brendan Allen puts guys away.

431
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Speaker 1: Fear is not a factor for him, and I think

432
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Speaker 1: for Paul Craig, right, I'm excited to see him moving

433
00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,040
Speaker 1: forward one hundred and eighty five pounds. It's always interesting

434
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Speaker 1: when the guy who is, you know, leads the league

435
00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,720
Speaker 1: in intensity, right, gets totally dominated, and then the other

436
00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:00,920
Speaker 1: guy just talks shit every step of the way after

437
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:02,440
Speaker 1: the fight. But I do think Paul Craig will be

438
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Speaker 1: heard from them.

439
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Listen, I think that there's a major deficiency in

440
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Speaker 4: regards to athleticism with him. I thought he'd be way

441
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,879
Speaker 4: stronger in some of those Clint situations, and it just

442
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,399
Speaker 4: wasn't there. Now that's obviously a testament to Brendan Allen

443
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Speaker 4: as well. But if you're coming down from two hundred

444
00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,919
Speaker 4: and five pounds of getting man handled like that, you know,

445
00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 4: certainly some technique could be improved. But even in some

446
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Speaker 4: of the like some of the exchanges on the feet,

447
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,080
Speaker 4: he's just he's just a little bit too slow, a

448
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Speaker 4: little bit too weak in some of those some of

449
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Speaker 4: those areas, and he really is talented on the ground

450
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Speaker 4: that I thought he showed great improvements with his striking

451
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Speaker 4: in his last fight, his debut at one hundred and

452
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Speaker 4: eighty five pounds, but here we really never saw it

453
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Speaker 4: come to fruition. So yeah, I think he also kind

454
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Speaker 4: of suffers from a little bit of inconsistency. I don't

455
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Speaker 4: know if that's a mental thing or not. But you know,

456
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 4: Paul Craig definitely can contend with these guys. We just

457
00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 4: haven't seen, you know, him put together performances back to

458
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 4: back to back, and I do think it's still new

459
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Speaker 4: for him being at one hundred and eighty five pounds.

460
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,679
Speaker 4: Maybe there's a weight cut issue there, but I don't know.

461
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Speaker 4: I hope he's able to regroup because he really is

462
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:13,920
Speaker 4: a nice guy with some good skills.

463
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Speaker 1: All Right, congratulations to Brennan Allen. I think a middleway

464
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Speaker 1: contender that's going to be heard from, and we'll see

465
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Speaker 1: what happens with Paul bar Jew Craig. All Right, comine

466
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 1: event goes to Michael Morales over Jake Matthews, and we

467
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,680
Speaker 1: said of the Ecuadorian, Michael Morales just continuing to accrue

468
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Speaker 1: UFC experience, and gosh, I mean he just looks ready

469
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 1: to explode and concuss people. But again it's a unanimous

470
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Speaker 1: decision win for him thirty twenty seven and then twenty

471
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Speaker 1: nine to twenty eight times too against the UFC tried

472
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Speaker 1: and tested Jake Matthews. Your thoughts on the comain event, Kenflicker.

473
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Speaker 4: If I am a welterweight contender, if I am a

474
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Speaker 4: welterweight champion, I am keeping a file on Morales, absolutely,

475
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 4: because he is a guy that you need to scout out.

476
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Speaker 4: He is a guy that is accruing that experience, as

477
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 4: you mentioned, and that could really be very difficult for

478
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 4: a lot of fighters as he moves forward, because he's

479
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 4: getting a very good understanding of how to put things together.

480
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 4: He's getting a great understanding of how to be slick

481
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 4: out there at a very young age with not so

482
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Speaker 4: much experience at this stage of the game, and that's

483
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 4: scary to me. Athletically he's there, he can absolutely be elite.

484
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 4: I think that I'd like to see more of him

485
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Speaker 4: on the ground. I think he had a few, you know,

486
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 4: shots where he was trying to take Jake Matthews down.

487
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 4: He was shooting from a little bit too far away.

488
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Speaker 4: But as far as his striking goes, his shot selection,

489
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Speaker 4: his countering, his ability to adapt, his ability to disrupt

490
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Speaker 4: the base of Matthews, his size as a welterweight. He's

491
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Speaker 4: going to be a problem. I guarantee it. And you know,

492
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Speaker 4: him getting more and more experienced is not good for

493
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Speaker 4: the rest of the guys in that division, of course,

494
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 4: is a stack division. There's a ton of talent in

495
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 4: that division. But watch for him in a couple of years.

496
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 4: Keep a close eye on this kid, because I do

497
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Speaker 4: think he's that good.

498
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: I just kept finding myself wondering how this fight would

499
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Speaker 1: have played out with a crowd, and I guess the

500
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: answer is similarly. But just some of those shots, man,

501
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's that I'm watching it at

502
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 1: home and it's like quiet at my house, and I

503
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm overreacting to these shots, you know,

504
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I'm excited for these guys to

505
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 1: get back in front of a crowd as well. I

506
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 1: just felt like it maybe would have been an inspiring

507
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,640
Speaker 1: backdrop to that particular fight.

508
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 4: All right.

509
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,679
Speaker 1: So a lot of the handicappers had strong opinions on

510
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 1: Chase Hooper versus Jordan Levitt, and we were sort of

511
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 1: lotting Chase Hooper's overall body of work Kenny, and he

512
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: wins a fight that the odds makers at least suggested

513
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Speaker 1: he was supposed to win over. Jordan Levitt goes into

514
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Speaker 1: the books as a rear naked choke and it comes

515
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Speaker 1: quickly two fifty eight of round number one. Your thoughts

516
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Speaker 1: on Chase Hooper getting another UFC win, Yeah, I.

517
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 4: Think that if I had a choice of picking that

518
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 4: fight again, I would I still would have gone with

519
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 4: Jordan Levit. He had his opportunities in that fight. He

520
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 4: was letting Chase Hooper back into this fight. He was

521
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 4: almost putting himself into some of these submissions. Of course,

522
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 4: you have to give credit to Chase Hooper, but I

523
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 4: don't know. It seemed like Jordan Levitt would do something

524
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 4: awesome and then kind of put himself into trouble again,

525
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 4: and then it would just keep happening over and over,

526
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Speaker 4: and I go, you cannot give a guy like Chase Hooper,

527
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 4: who is an excellent finisher, these opportunities, yet he kept

528
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 4: doing it. So Jordan is an excellent grappler, but Chase

529
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 4: is a very good finisher. I think that was the

530
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 4: difference here when he had his opportunities. He was able

531
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 4: to take care of business here some interesting exchanges. I

532
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 4: think more of it was kind of mistakes back and forth,

533
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 4: but Chase is a guy who continues to get better.

534
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 4: And I think this was a case of two guys

535
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 4: who were trying to get to that next level. They

536
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 4: were kind of, in my eyes, guys that were kind

537
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Speaker 4: of right in the kind of the middle of the

538
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 4: division that we're trying to break through, and it was

539
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,360
Speaker 4: Chase Hooper who who was ultimately able to do that.

540
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Speaker 4: And I thought this was kind of a failure for

541
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 4: Jordan Levitt, who's got some great potential, does some great

542
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 4: things out there, but just kind of kept making mistakes

543
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 4: and you can't do that against someone like Hooper who

544
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 4: is not going to forget.

545
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Speaker 1: A lot of submissions. On the night Peyton Talbot had

546
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 1: one over Nicko. Geary was game, but Peyton Talbot's sort

547
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 1: of just an intriguing package for me. I wanted to

548
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Speaker 1: ask you about Amanda Hebas. She gets it done over

549
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 1: Luena Pinero, but not without taking like six hematomas, but

550
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 1: it's a spinning wheel kick and punches at three point

551
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 1: fifty three around three is Amanda Hebas so when you

552
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 1: suggest that someone's like the action hero of the one

553
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen pound division, I think it's suggestive of

554
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 1: them not being a contender. So it's a roundabout way

555
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: of asking you where her ceiling is at. But I

556
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: think she sort of settled into this action role. The

557
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: Macy Barber fight was just pints of blood all over

558
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: Duval County, and now a pretty violent affair here with

559
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 1: Lwana Piero. She gets a bonus and a TKO.

560
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's a solid observation. Now, I don't

561
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 4: think that's a long term goal that she should have, right,

562
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 4: You don't want to be known as someone who can

563
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 4: take a lot of damage. However, it's a good trait

564
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 4: to have just in case. She is durable. She is tough.

565
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 4: She should absolutely have that, but she should keep that

566
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 4: in her back pocket. She cannot lead with that because

567
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 4: having a first round like that is not the way

568
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 4: you want to start a fight. And I think that

569
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 4: she sometimes gets too excited, maybe too emotional, where she

570
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 4: doesn't loosen up. She was a little too tight. Her

571
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 4: body was a little too square in her stance, which

572
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 4: offers a much larger target to her opponent, and Pinero

573
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 4: was tagging her with shots. Pinero's got some crazy power

574
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 4: at one hundred and fifteen pounds, dude. And also, by

575
00:27:55,800 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 4: the way, her judo is absolutely beautiful. She puts it together.

576
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 3: Man.

577
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 4: She was throwing Hebos around, and Hebos is a high

578
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 4: level judoka, but Pinero was just at a different level.

579
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 4: So skill wise, I think she's she needs more skill,

580
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 4: She needs more she needs to be more comfortable in

581
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 4: there with people like Pinero, and I think that she

582
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 4: was a little too stiff. But once she actually got

583
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 4: through round one, I think she started to settle down,

584
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 4: She started to relax, started finding her range and landing

585
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 4: big shots herself. And I think Pinero also was thrown

586
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 4: off by the fact that hebas is so damn tough

587
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 4: and so durable that she started to lose heart. She

588
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 4: started to lose confidence, and that's what durability and a

589
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 4: great chin and heart will do. So again, huge credit

590
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 4: to Hebos. She is an absolute savage, an absolute beast,

591
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 4: but she needs to fix how she starts in fight.

592
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 4: She cannot get behind the eight ball like that in

593
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 4: other fights, especially as she starts to establish herself as

594
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 4: elite in that division, because those ladies are just too

595
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 4: dang good and they're not going to get tired later

596
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 4: in a fight.

597
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: Outstanding can flow out fucking standing if you can only

598
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: imagine how good it sounds in these new UH cans

599
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: and new equipment. No, all right, Joe Anderson Brito can flow.

600
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: I am such an asshole. And Britel, you texted the

601
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: group that you wanted UH max units or added units

602
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: on Joe Anderson Brito. He wins it with a ninja

603
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: choke over JSP Jonathan Pierce, who will be back, Make

604
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: no mistakes about it. But Joe Anderson Brito can flow,

605
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: a guy that everybody has marked now, and I think rightfully.

606
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: So you were bullish on him? How come? And your

607
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: thoughts on the fight.

608
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's just dangerous man, and he is game. You know,

609
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 4: when I was looking at his fights, I went back.

610
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 4: I said, I'm going to look at these fights again.

611
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 4: I think there's some value here. I think Pierce is

612
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 4: probably more solid all the way around as far his

613
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 4: as far as his vulnerabilities, doesn't make as many mistakes

614
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 4: as Brito. But I thought it was worth like putting

615
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 4: more units on Brito just because he goes for it. Man,

616
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 4: he's not trying to hit you. He's trying to hurt you.

617
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 4: He's trying to finish you with every chance he gets.

618
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 4: Sometimes gets a little too aggressive, as we saw when

619
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 4: he tried to jump on the back of Pierce early.

620
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 4: He got lost position, but athletically he was superior, and

621
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 4: his finishing ability is what impressed me most. And dealing

622
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 4: with a guy like that who is trying to kill

623
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 4: you every single second in that fight, I thought there

624
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 4: was a lot of value there. Pierce did a great

625
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 4: job when he was getting that top position, but he

626
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 4: just wasn't able to control that honey badger in Brito,

627
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 4: and I'm glad I ended up putting on those units.

628
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 4: You know, it ended up paying off. But Brito is dangerous, dude.

629
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 4: He is extremely dangerous. And I think it was also

630
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 4: tough for Pierce. He was coming off of a long layoff.

631
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 4: You know, it's hard to get in that groove when

632
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 4: you've been away from the ocdad for that long for

633
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 4: most people, for most fighters, I think that's the case.

634
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: Also thought Ristion and Leroy Duncan just physically look to

635
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: have responded in the gym to his first professional loss.

636
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: I believe as he gets it done over Dennis Tulul

637
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: and by Tko Moore. Coming up on UFC Fight Night,

638
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: Allen versus Craig in the Ray Longo minute in about

639
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: twenty minutes or so. Just wanted to acknowledge a few

640
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: Bellatour winners over the weekend and then get Ken Flow's

641
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: thoughts real quick on PFL ten. Cody did populate some

642
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: betting lines in here incidentally on PFL ten, so I'm

643
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: going to get back to those. But Jason Jackson becomes

644
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: the Bellatour welterweight champion and Patchie Mix in a unification

645
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Speaker 1: about defeats Sergio Pettis by rear naked show Patchi Mix,

646
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Speaker 1: I think most people understand now is one of the

647
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Speaker 1: best thirty five ers in the world, and certainly Bellatoor's

648
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: future remains to be seen as to where these champions

649
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: are going to go. But I just want to get

650
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: to Jason Jackson a little bit because I have met

651
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: and gotten to sort of hang out with this dude

652
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: on buses right as he corners his Kilcliff teammates with

653
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: the UFC. So he tried out for the Ultimate Fighter

654
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen. He's now thirty three years of age,

655
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: then he is on Dana White's Contender Series. In twenty seventeen,

656
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: he suffered an ankle injury and a TKO loss. Right

657
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: then there was a twenty nineteen split decision loss to

658
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: Ed Ruth, former three time NCAAD one National Champion wrestler

659
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: Right and that has since that lost to ed Ruth

660
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: been followed up by a seven fight winning streak, capstone

661
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: by just beating a guy who was twenty seven to

662
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: zero to become the Belatore welterweight champion. And gosh, man,

663
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: it just makes me feel so good, you know, in

664
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Speaker 1: my heart for a guy like this, who you've seen

665
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: on these buses, maybe knowing how good he was Ken

666
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: Flow waiting for his moment. I didn't even know who

667
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: Jason Jackson was when I met him. I didn't know

668
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: that he had tried out for the Ultimate Fighter. I

669
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: don't ingest the Contender Series every Tuesday night because I

670
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: got kids, right, So I didn't even know his history

671
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: except I knew that he was really good and his

672
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: teammates liked him. He was a good teammate. And then

673
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: I started digging into him a little bit and seeing

674
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: a guy like that become a world champion man. It's

675
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: just super special man changes his life and otherwise just

676
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: really happy for Jason Jackson.

677
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, no question about it. And he's a guy I

678
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 4: always see it at the PFL events as well. He's

679
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 4: cornering I think every fighter at the Kilcliff Jim. He's

680
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 4: always around, which you know tells you a lot when

681
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 4: you see fighters that choose to have him in there.

682
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 4: They must respect his training ability, his experience and his mind.

683
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 4: And I think that's the guy who's been grinding for

684
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 4: a long time. To see it all come together for

685
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 4: him is great news. Always friendly guy, always smiling and

686
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 4: uh that's a good side, dude. Good good news there.

687
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: Jason Jackson patching next on the World Championships. All right,

688
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: that's enough of that. See I can pop that ship

689
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: right down with a noise man. It's outstanding. Getting going

690
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: on the road caster a little bit scale of one

691
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Speaker 1: and ten. The comments, how annoyed are you by me today?

692
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: Just wait ti the way, I'm all right at PFL

693
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Speaker 1: ten Beckons this Friday night, November twenty fourth at the

694
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Speaker 1: Anthem in Washington, d C. You thought I was going

695
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: to say in New York City again, but no, we're

696
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: actually here on because I'm going to New York City

697
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: with my children. God bless me, help me, all right,

698
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: So I just want to do a little bit of

699
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: tree tops on this PFL stuff we got long ago.

700
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: Coming up here shortly Derek Runson in about five minutes.

701
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 1: But I just want to rifle through some of these

702
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 1: big fights and just get any sort of overreaching thoughts

703
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: you have before we move on. So Olivier Obama Mercier

704
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: versus Clay Collin collar plus two twenty one. Right now,

705
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: Ken Flow Oam is minus two seventy hen and Fajita

706
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: Dennis is at Goltsov and my pronouncing that Dennis Goltsov

707
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: in the heavyweight division. Larissa Pacheco, she got a shout

708
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: out on UFC broadcast by John Annack recently. By the way,

709
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: Mago med Maga mad Karamov taken on Sadabuc, Jos Silvera

710
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: and Implicasanganai have fight a particular interest for me, of course,

711
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: Conan Son taking on Impakasan Gai, who I run in

712
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: all over South Florida. And then Kayla Harrison is back

713
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 1: against the relatively short notice replacement. If I'm not mistaken

714
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: Aspen lad and our next guest, Derek Runson taking on

715
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: Ray Cooper. The third, on and on it goes. You

716
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: got Biagio, Ali, Chris Wade, Baba Jenkins. But your thoughts

717
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: initially can flow on the main card ESPN plus pay

718
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: per view, can flow with a hot microphone. I'll be

719
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 1: watching on November twenty fourth, can flow?

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Speaker 4: Talk to me right a man? Thank you? Yeah, No,

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Speaker 4: I'm really excited. Man. All the finals that I've been

722
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 4: a part of have always delivered. You know, you got

723
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 4: a million dollars on the line, So obviously both of

724
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 4: these fighters realized that, you know, this is an insane

725
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 4: opportunity to really and genuinely change your life. So they

726
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 4: always fight extremely hard. We always get a lot of finishes,

727
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 4: We always get a lot of excitement. We have Kayla

728
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 4: Harrison coming back, and yeah, I'm just I can't wait

729
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 4: to get out there and call these fights. And you know,

730
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 4: these guys have been working extremely hard. As you know, John,

731
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 4: you start to get close to a lot of these guys,

732
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 4: you know, you see how much they've gone through personally

733
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 4: and in the cage, and there's just so many great

734
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 4: matchups that I'm looking forward to. So yeah, November twenty fourth.

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00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: I mean large mpaships all the line. I don't know

736
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: if your bosses are listening. I will purchase this pay

737
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: per view because Kenny Florian is calling the fight and

738
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be funny. I'm wearing a Kenny

739
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: Florian shirt president of Team Florian. Fine, I'm just saying no,

740
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 1: I'm just talking in facts. You know, Brendan Allen appreciated

741
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: my tweet that said, you know, title eliminator has to

742
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: be next, and you know, ninety percent of people think

743
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: I'm a schill and a hyperbolic and it's not none

744
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 1: of those things. Right, Like, even when Brendan appreciates that,

745
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, man, like we might be friends. But

746
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: I'm just speaking in facts, right. He's won six in

747
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: roz one hundred and eighty five pounds, five of those

748
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: by rear naked choke, Right, I'm just speaking in facts, right,

749
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: Like I love all these fighters. Kayla Harrison is my girl,

750
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: But why am I buying the pay per view? Can

751
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: flow on a hot fucking Micropomas. I'm honest. So Impakazanga

752
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: guys minus one sixty two and Josh Silvera is plus

753
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: one thirty six, And this kind of feels like the

754
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: ultimate win win for me because for Conan right to

755
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: see his son realize a million dollars right in this

756
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 1: particular format, and to realize some modicum of mixed martial

757
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 1: arts greatness becoming a world champion, and then for Impakasangan

758
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,720
Speaker 1: and I on the wrong end of the Joaquin Buckley knockout,

759
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 1: on the wrong end of the most virally robust knockout

760
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 1: in UFC history, for in to respond in this way,

761
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: it's a tremendous fight, and hopefully there isn't like a

762
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: draw type circumstance, right, hopefully one of those wins a

763
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Speaker 1: million dollars. All right, We got the PFLs Derek Runson

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Speaker 1: All right, let us get to our interview with dB,

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Speaker 1: taped two weeks from this very date. All right, now

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00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 1: joining us for the first time on the show. Absolutely

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Speaker 1: thrilled to have him. Twenty one time UFC veteran, six

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Speaker 1: times UFC headline or longtime Mixed Martial arts veteran in

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Speaker 1: middleway content or Wilmington, North Carolina's finest. He is Derek Brunson.

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Speaker 1: On social media, you can find him at Derek Bruns

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Speaker 1: at Derek Brunson dot com. Is Live dB. Happy Sunday

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Speaker 1: to you. We appreciate your time today, sir. How are

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Speaker 1: we doing?

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Speaker 5: I'm good. How are you guys?

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00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 4: We're doing well.

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00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: So there's a lot for us to get into today.

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00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: I know we're all very excited about what the future

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00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: holds for you, particularly later this month. I have ingested

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Speaker 1: some of the media you have done since signing with

812
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: the PFL. So I guess I would just start with

813
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: with this move at this time of your career, and

814
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: for those that maybe haven't been tracking your every move,

815
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: why now to leave the UFC and go pursue this

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00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:47,280
Speaker 1: new venture.

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00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 6: It was just it's a fresh start, you know. I

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00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 6: wanted something new. I wanted something to get excited about about.

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00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 6: I was in the US he for so long in

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00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 6: that top you know five top ten range, you know,

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00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 6: and I really wasn't, you know, I didn't get my

822
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 6: title shot, so you know, I just wanted something new,

823
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 6: something fresh, a new goal, a new motivation.

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00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: And here we are, so twice in your UFC career

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00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: you put together these five fight winning streaks and a

826
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: division that makes it very hard to do just that.

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00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: And I guess I would ask you, like, what would

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00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: you say to someone like Blaw Muhammad, right, because for

829
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: you and for somebody like Curtis Blades, had you guys

830
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,760
Speaker 1: maybe just waited right or faked a fucking ankle injury,

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00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: maybe you would have gotten the world title fight. So

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00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: what would you say to a guy like Blow Muhammad

833
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,760
Speaker 1: who is sort of idling and waiting for a title

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00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: fight that may or may not materialize It's funny.

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Speaker 5: Blalla is one of my friends, so I talked to him.

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00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 6: I just hit him up like randomly and like, hey, man,

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00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 6: like you're on a crazy streak, you know.

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00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:48,919
Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 6: I think non fights in a row, like wait for

840
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 6: your title shot.

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00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 5: They don't come by often. They don't come by often.

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00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 6: You know, you can go out there and fight somebody,

843
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 6: lose a close decision, you can win a fight, lose

844
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 6: a split decision, and then you're pretty much back to

845
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 6: square one and it's going to be a long road back,

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00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 6: you know.

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00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 5: So I think everybody when they're in that position.

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00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 6: You definitely need to like wait it out, you know,

849
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 6: get the title shot, because you know, those things don't

850
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 6: come by every day.

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00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 5: Derek.

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00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 4: You know, as of right now, the PFL doesn't have

853
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 4: a middleweight division. I see this as a great sign

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00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 4: that they're opening up a fight here for you. Have

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00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 4: you heard anything from the PFL in regards to potentially

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00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 4: starting a middleway I haven't.

857
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 6: The plan as of right now is to fight this

858
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 6: fight and compete at two o five. So yeah, we're

859
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 6: gonna like play it by ear. The most important thing

860
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 6: is his first fight, and then yeah, we'll go from there.

861
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 4: And Derek, You're taking on Ray Bruna Cooper, a guy

862
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 4: who's a big time knockout artist. But some may argue

863
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 4: he's a little bit small even for welter weight, right

864
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 4: as far as height and all that stuff. You're a

865
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 4: massive middleweight. You know, tell me about this fight and

866
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 4: how you see this.

867
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 6: You know for sure, you know he's a shorter guy.

868
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 6: You know, got short reached. I heard a couple of interviews.

869
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 6: He's ready for the fight. He feels gonna get the knockout.

870
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 6: So like I'm ready for the fight. I feel I'm

871
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 6: gonna get the knockout. But I know some of the

872
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 6: mistakes I made in the past of you know, it's

873
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 6: not that I wasn't working hard. I always work hard,

874
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 6: but it's like small, little intricate details like running. Like

875
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 6: if a doctor say, hey, your knees from wrestling may

876
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 6: be a little you know, wear and tear, do strikething, conditioning,

877
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 6: but no, a guy like me, I need to run,

878
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 6: you know, especially when you compete in these high level fights,

879
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 6: you have to be able to keep that pace and

880
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 6: maintain that pace. So I've been running my ass off

881
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 6: for the last six weeks, putting about seven to ten

882
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 6: miles in a week. So if anybody's expecting me to

883
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 6: get tired, if I get tired, if I'm even breathing

884
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 6: hard at all, I will be pleasantly surprised.

885
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 5: Like I plan on going out there being a brand

886
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 5: new me.

887
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 6: I've been adding some new wrinkles to my camp at

888
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 6: age thirty nine, and I think that's going to be

889
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 6: like the best.

890
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 5: Version of myself.

891
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: That's great to hear, man, especially about the road work.

892
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: So can you peel back the curtain a little bit

893
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 1: as far as the training camp is concerned, and who

894
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: have been some of the primary bodies that you've been

895
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: working with on the day to day.

896
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 5: Yeah. So I went down to.

897
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 6: Florida for a little bit at Kill Cliff and I

898
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 6: was trained down there, you know, Brandon Allen, Gilbrick Burns,

899
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 6: There's a lot of guys down there for Sante Luke.

900
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 6: And now I'm actually finishing up my camp in Atlanta

901
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 6: with the guy that I worked with before, Maneu from

902
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 6: Manu Kickboxing.

903
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 5: He's a very good kickboxing coach.

904
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 6: And it's like I'm bringing back the oh, you know,

905
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,399
Speaker 6: when I can just put together tactical strikes. So I'm

906
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 6: feeling really good where I'm at right now, finish up

907
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 6: camp there. I got some people coming in for like

908
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 6: bodies as far as spawning and grapple and stuff like that,

909
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,479
Speaker 6: and it's kind of like centered around me a post

910
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 6: to my good camp at where I'm at right now.

911
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 6: I needed a whole bunch of reps and just get

912
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 6: back in my groove. And yeah, I'm starting to hit

913
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 6: that stride. Yeah, yeah, he's like he want to talk.

914
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 6: This man will talk your head off. I mean, I'll

915
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 6: be like, coach, let's get to work.

916
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 5: You know, I can't. I came to work, you know,

917
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 5: my hands and a round. I don't want to talk anymore,

918
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 5: you know.

919
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 6: But you know the thing about him, though, is that

920
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 6: sometimes you go to these bigger camps, it's so many guys,

921
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 6: so you kind of get lost in the shuffle in

922
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 6: terms of like let's say it's like four three or

923
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 6: four kickboxing coaches and it's like fifty sixty guys that

924
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 6: need passed. The coaches will try to, you know, do

925
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 6: pads with like fifteen guys at one time, and that's

926
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 6: not really conduced to somebody who really needed when Whereas

927
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 6: if I go to the news, the news gonna work

928
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 6: me for like an hour and a half straight, and

929
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 6: it's like I'm like, all right, coach, I'm ready to

930
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 6: do something else.

931
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 5: I'm ready to go get some food, you know. But

932
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 5: he's going to give you that personal work.

933
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 6: And I think that's very valuable, you know, for like

934
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 6: skill development and like really fund that groove because like

935
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 6: from like two weeks ago to now, I feel like,

936
00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:59,439
Speaker 6: you know, brand new man.

937
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 1: That's great to hear. Derek Brightson. We're listener on the

938
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: Anakin Flooring podcast. You can see him fight I believe

939
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: the pay per view open or November twenty fourth against.

940
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 5: You guys see my fighter last night?

941
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 4: No your guy?

942
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 3: Yeah?

943
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, So I managed him. I started managing him when

944
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 6: he was three and oh and now he's ten and oh.

945
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 6: So I doubbled in the management little bit when I'm

946
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 6: super excited about that.

947
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,240
Speaker 5: So I want to go ahead and let you guys.

948
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 4: Know, I want to hear that again.

949
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: You cut out. Maybe it was only on my end.

950
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 1: So V Tour is one of several fighters you now manage,

951
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: Is that right?

952
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 5: Right? Correct?

953
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 6: I got like, uh, I would say, like five or

954
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 6: six fighters that I managed.

955
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 3: Yeah.

956
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 5: Vchur is one of them. I started managing when he

957
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 5: was three and oh and now he's ten and.

958
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: Three and so well, congratulations, good for you, Derek Brunts.

959
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: His next fight November twenty fourth against Ray Cooper the

960
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: third and you know he's got momentum, right, He's won

961
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 1: seven of eight. I got to think you're you're excited

962
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: about that part of things. I want to sort of

963
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 1: reflect a little bit before we get you out of here.

964
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: In terms of your UFC career, I'm sure you get

965
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: asked a lot like what was your most memorable win?

966
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: I guess I would phrase it a different way, like

967
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: what's the best you ever felt the night following a

968
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: big win in the ufcity.

969
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:12,959
Speaker 5: I would say.

970
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 6: The first like bigger contract that I got was whenever

971
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 6: I fought Machitah in Sapolo. I was able to go

972
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 6: out there and get a knockout in the first round,

973
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 6: you know, former UFC champion, super skilled fighter. Yeah, and

974
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 6: then you know after I knocked him out. I believe

975
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 6: he went on to win like three of his next four.

976
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 6: You know, he only lost. He went went and for

977
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 6: some tough guys and he lost like a title eliminator

978
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 6: or or for the title, maybe against Musasi.

979
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:41,479
Speaker 5: Or something like that.

980
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 1: Yep, And it was a split decision or something like that.

981
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 6: But like, you know, I fought a pretty good guy there,

982
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 6: so I would say definitely felt good after that fight.

983
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 6: It was my first big, bigger contract right in Spoo.

984
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 5: You know, everything was like against me, and I went

985
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 5: out there and got.

986
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: A damn and then as a three time NC double

987
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: a d to All American at the University of North

988
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: Carolina at Pembrooke. You know, Dominic Cruz told me when

989
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 1: I started calling fis the most valuable thing I could

990
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 1: do for my commentary would be to watch college wrestling.

991
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: So anytime we talked to a collegiate wrestler, I have

992
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: to ask about your college wrestling career and what was

993
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: that either signature win or signature moment that you reflect

994
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: fondly upon.

995
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, college wrestling, you know intense I love every

996
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 6: you know, portion of I think is shaped helped me

997
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,720
Speaker 6: as who I am as a human being in life.

998
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 5: You know, that was the main reason why I went

999
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 5: to college.

1000
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 6: And my parents didn't go to college, so they didn't

1001
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 6: know a lot about how to get to college and

1002
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 6: stuff like that. So like my high school wrestling coach

1003
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 6: kind of helped me with that process, so definitely was

1004
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 6: a big shaping of who I am, you know, and

1005
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 6: you know wrestling in college, I was a three time

1006
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 6: All American, And probably my most memorable moment is the

1007
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 6: time I did not All American like me and the

1008
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 6: guy was. It was like and like triple overtime. It

1009
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 6: was the first year they made the like new rules,

1010
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 6: and I go, I stand up and I turn it

1011
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 6: to the guy and I unbreak his grip and the

1012
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 6: ref put me back down. So it was like, uh,

1013
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 6: the guy got an extra point for like ride out whatever,

1014
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 6: and I was a yeahda in All American, but I

1015
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 6: was like up and out, so yeah.

1016
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 3: All right.

1017
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: So Dion Sanders, coach Prime, ranks his children now he

1018
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: does this publicly. I rank my children as well. I

1019
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: have three children. My daughters don't like this ranking system.

1020
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: My wife doesn't like it. I'm not always public about it.

1021
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: I tried to pivot off of it and say I'll

1022
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 1: just do like my toughest kid, like who is my

1023
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: toughest kid at present, because maybe that's a little bit

1024
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: more quantifiable than actually ranking your kids, like you're my

1025
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 1: number one. But it's crazy to watch Dion go through

1026
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: this process. So, as a father of several kids yourself,

1027
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 1: have you ever ranked your children there?

1028
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 5: I don't.

1029
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 6: I don't all of all kids all the same, but

1030
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 6: I would say I would defer to what you did,

1031
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 6: you know, I would say the most I ranked my

1032
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 6: kids about who has the most attitude? All right, I

1033
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 6: would say my oldest has the most attitudes. He's sixteen.

1034
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 6: Then the second is my my youngest, I mean, not my.

1035
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 5: Youngest, on my youngest daughter. She's fifteen.

1036
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 6: So I got a sixteen, fifteen and sixteen and got

1037
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 6: the same birthday, so it's super crazy already.

1038
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 4: Oh wow.

1039
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 5: And then the easiest is my five year old.

1040
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 6: And you know, I guess second or third most attitude

1041
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 6: is my eight year old.

1042
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 3: See how ready to go he is, Kenny.

1043
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: It's a great system ranking.

1044
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 4: I would think that as they get older, they realized

1045
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 4: that their dad is Derek Brunson, and they'd be like,

1046
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 4: they actually get quieter, you know what I mean, because

1047
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 4: then they realize percussions of what could have.

1048
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 6: But now you have daughters. Now when you have daughters, man, yeah,

1049
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 6: now we have daughters sons?

1050
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, all right, a few more minutes here

1051
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 1: with Derek Brunson. So, January fourth, twenty twenty four, you

1052
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: turn forty. Tremendous how much you've accomplished before birthday number forty.

1053
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,320
Speaker 1: So congratulations on all of that, and i'd imagine because

1054
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: of your success in life, it'll be a good birthday.

1055
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 1: But I just wanted to tell you it was my

1056
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: worst birthday by far. Derek turning four.

1057
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 5: Over the hill.

1058
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1059
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm forty five right now, and forty five

1060
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: wasn't particularly fun either, but I guess yeah, I just

1061
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: felt like forty, Like fuck man, you know, it's.

1062
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 5: Crazy because Bob Knight just passed right, and I'm like, yo,

1063
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 5: Like they were showing some clips on ESPN. They were

1064
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 5: showing like his dcline.

1065
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 6: I was like, yo, this is about like the last

1066
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 6: memory of him was him throwing chairs, pushing players, like

1067
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,959
Speaker 6: more like fired up, like I'm your father type figure coach.

1068
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 5: You know.

1069
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 6: I don't think he was like trying to be like

1070
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 6: super crazy malicious, but that's just that was his personality. Yeah,

1071
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 6: And then they showed clips for like the last two

1072
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:50,399
Speaker 6: years where he was like kind of like Muhammad Ali

1073
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 6: when he was like hoos in, he was like kind

1074
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 6: of shaking and like, uh, kind of there but not there.

1075
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 6: And I was like, whoa, this is wild because I

1076
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 6: never seen this like version of Bob Knight. And then

1077
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 6: I was like so yeah. I mean the older you get,

1078
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 6: you're like, damn, like what's going on here?

1079
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:04,720
Speaker 5: What are we doing here?

1080
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: Well, but you're sharpest attack and you're reinventing yourself as

1081
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: a professional athlete. So I will get you out of

1082
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: here on this right. Maybe at this stage of my career,

1083
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: like I'm sick of traveling the world, would rather be

1084
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 1: a little bit around my kids. I've talked to Eric

1085
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: Anders right about when his kids get to high school,

1086
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: kind of shutting it down at that point in time.

1087
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: I'd imagine you do think about life after fighting, but

1088
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: oftentimes for fighters, the biggest paydays come, you know, when

1089
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: you do get a little bit older. So you know,

1090
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 1: do you and your family think about or talk about

1091
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: life after fighting?

1092
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1093
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 6: For sure, you know, I try to keep that balance

1094
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 6: most important.

1095
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 5: Like really I never really cared about theme or like athletics.

1096
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 6: Always been like a family guy, you know, So like

1097
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 6: my kids, they they will all tell you, they probably

1098
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 6: say I'm the best dad, like period, you know that

1099
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 6: they can have, you know, because I'm always there, always present.

1100
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 6: You know, I'll go and I'll fly fight and then

1101
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 6: I'm back home. Suddeny, I'm going to the game. You know,

1102
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 6: I'm coaching my science T ball team, you know, So

1103
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 6: like I just try to keep the most important things

1104
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 6: in intact your life, you know. So you know, you

1105
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 6: always got to stay busy, you always got to stay grinding,

1106
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 6: and I just kind of, you know, keep the important

1107
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:15,439
Speaker 6: things with that.

1108
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 1: Well, You've done a great job at balancing it all.

1109
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: And we can't wait to watch live on pay per

1110
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,240
Speaker 1: view in the PFL against Ray Cooper the IID November

1111
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: the twenty fourth. If you want to support this man,

1112
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: Derek Brunson dot com out standing merchandise in great effort.

1113
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: There d be good to see your face man, and

1114
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: don't be a stranger man. We'll be watching on November

1115
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: twenty fourth. Ken Flow be in the building. Thank you

1116
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: for the time today, sir.

1117
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 5: Hey sounds good. Hey, let's talk about in sports picks

1118
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 5: some times.

1119
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: Man, I would love to do it. There he is

1120
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: Derek with us on Iannic and Floring Podcast. My last

1121
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:49,720
Speaker 1: question was going to be about the maintenance to be blonde. Brunson,

1122
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: you know, because when you do it right, I think

1123
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 1: sometimes you got to spend some time in the chair.

1124
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: But that's a really good man, and you know, it

1125
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: is interesting right to hear him say, you know, as

1126
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,879
Speaker 1: he really has always been that UFC fighter dad who's

1127
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: always there and always present, sometimes sacrificing maybe the advancement

1128
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: of his own career, not aligning with a big gym

1129
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: until very later in the career, right to stay at home.

1130
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: And I think I can't help but think about my

1131
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 1: situation because I'm really not always there. Like I'm not

1132
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: sure Derek Brunson has ever been away one hundred, one

1133
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty nights a year, you know. But he's

1134
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: really done a lot of things well. And he'll be

1135
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: in the bill to call in that fight against Ray

1136
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: Cooper the third, November twenty fourth.

1137
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to it, man, I'm excited for this

1138
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 4: new chapter in his career. He's a guy that is

1139
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 4: always dangerous. You may not always know how he's going

1140
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 4: to go out there and perform, but he is one

1141
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,720
Speaker 4: of those guys who comes in with a lot of skill.

1142
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 4: I think he's going to have a huge size and

1143
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 4: reach advantage over Ray Cooper, who is extremely dangerous in

1144
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 4: his own right. Curious to see how Cooper comes out

1145
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 4: at one hundred and eighty five pounds. And Derek, welcome

1146
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 4: to the PFL.

1147
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 1: All right, good to have old friend Derek Brunton with

1148
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,320
Speaker 1: us today here on the nic Imploring Podcast.

1149
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 2: Now times for the Ray Long Minute.

1150
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 4: I'm gonna put a hole.

1151
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: That's what I want.

1152
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 2: The Ray Long Minute. The John Nik and Kenny Florian Podcast.

1153
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 3: Totally Ray Long Minute.

1154
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: Not yet presented by the Chicken Pound. They don't send money,

1155
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: nor chicken. But it's great to see your Raymond. How

1156
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: your shirt? I swear to god, I didn't see your shirt.

1157
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: I did not see your shirt. How do you like that?

1158
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 4: Like that shot white?

1159
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 1: The shirt? I didn't see your shirt when I said that.

1160
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 3: But uh, I mean, Kenny, what's going on? A new studio?

1161
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:40,280
Speaker 3: He's three now? Now he's three two? And stuff?

1162
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 8: What are we doing? We were we would know? Wow,

1163
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:52,359
Speaker 8: we got I love it man.

1164
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: You know I also and we haven't specialized these to

1165
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: our needs. We will certainly make one of these buttons

1166
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: be our handicapper. Brian Peetree saying, Betko, because I need

1167
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: to sound but one of the buttons is crickets. And

1168
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: sometimes I asked Ray Longo a question and he just

1169
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 1: stonewalls me, Ken Flow and sits there. He's like, what

1170
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 1: are you asking me? You know, so we got a

1171
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 1: cricket button now in case? Fuck?

1172
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 3: Oh wow? I mean what we got here being a

1173
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 3: grass roots, old school type of pick and what have

1174
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:24,919
Speaker 3: we doing?

1175
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:29,879
Speaker 1: Come on, if you really want to know? Is of

1176
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: the of paramount importance right for people who ingest this

1177
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:38,720
Speaker 1: broadcast this podcast audio only on iTunes or Spotify or wherever,

1178
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 1: it is a paramount importance that the audio sound good, right,

1179
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: So we are probably gonna work to get you something

1180
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 1: for the audio. The video stuff is just us showing

1181
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:49,959
Speaker 1: our audience that we're putting money back into the show

1182
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: and trying to provide these enhancements. You know, this was

1183
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: you know, Ken full let me spend money on a

1184
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:59,280
Speaker 1: new studio. I don't have to tell you, well, good.

1185
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 3: I just I was going to say I needed new

1186
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 3: tires on my car, but you got a new microphone.

1187
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 3: If you really drive around a flat tires.

1188
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 1: Hey, do you really need new tires?

1189
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:14,839
Speaker 3: Definitely not? Okay, I'm a happy camp. I'm a happy camp.

1190
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 3: And John what do we got What are we doing

1191
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:17,760
Speaker 3: today again?

1192
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: This guy trying to segue me to mixed martial arts. Well,

1193
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 1: I can get you some Toyot tires courtesy of our

1194
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 1: friends and toys. Give me some to.

1195
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 3: I mean, that's a that's a great commercial, John, great commercial.

1196
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 3: You did great. There is a spot at the end

1197
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 3: where you're looking at Forrest. I think, uh, well, dom Cruise,

1198
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:40,839
Speaker 3: I don't know whey he's looking we got I think

1199
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 3: you might have to change that cove. He's not looking

1200
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 3: at the guy. I mean you you you were spot on.

1201
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: Well, thank you. I don't know if I'm allowed to

1202
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: say this, but we actually have another Toyot tire shoot

1203
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:50,720
Speaker 1: later this month.

1204
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:51,280
Speaker 3: Wow.

1205
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: Wow, you want to know something for today? So what

1206
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: we have for today? I guess I'd like to start

1207
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 1: with Brendan Allen and then we can uh transition to

1208
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 1: a few different items. But gosh, man, this this looks

1209
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 1: to me like one of the best middleweights in the

1210
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,720
Speaker 1: world right now, just waiting now for his shot against

1211
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: the top five guy. One of all these other middleweight

1212
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: contenders with respect who have had their myriad opportunities either

1213
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: in multiple main events or championship settings. So what were

1214
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: your thoughts on on Brendan Allen passing this latest test

1215
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: against Paul Bardew Craig.

1216
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 3: Beautiful test for Brendan Allen. Seems like his head's in

1217
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 3: the right spot. The kid deserves deserves the top five guy.

1218
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 3: Not only did he beat Pull Craig, he beat him

1219
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 3: at his own game, the only way that Craig had

1220
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 3: to beat him, you know, he got submitted. So I

1221
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 3: think it was a great, great fight. He seems very confident.

1222
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 3: I like the athorage you brought with him into the octagon.

1223
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 3: That was pretty cool. Yeah, it just seems like he's

1224
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 3: he's firing on old cylinders at the right time and

1225
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,919
Speaker 3: still a young kid, and I wish him the best.

1226
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 3: He's really really I can't say I know him, but

1227
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 3: I think I cross paths with him a little bit.

1228
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 3: He seems like a super super nice kid. And I

1229
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 3: think that comes across on the microphone as well. So

1230
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 3: he's got it all. He's got a you know, he's

1231
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 3: got a good presence, nice presence on the microphone, and

1232
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 3: he and he's he's there to fight, and he's looked

1233
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 3: very technical to me on the ground. That was that

1234
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 3: was pretty cool. With the caff slice of stuff. Right, Yeah,

1235
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 3: that was that was good stuff, man, So not that

1236
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 3: that's my thing, but it was fun watching and I

1237
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 3: think it was a great step up. He passed the test.

1238
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 3: You got to you got to keep that kid moving.

1239
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 3: I think he's in the right spot at the right time.

1240
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: Grappling match Kenny Florid and Brendan Allen in the not

1241
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 1: too distant future. Hey, in terms of him having the

1242
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: kid around though, right, I was not the high school

1243
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: basketball player who you would describe as having ice water

1244
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: in his veins, right. I would more be the high

1245
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 1: school basketball player who was throwing up in the locker

1246
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 1: room because it was a night game and we had

1247
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: a music that I helped pick out. My head was

1248
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: in the wrong place, right, But like I was going

1249
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: to ask, Kenny, maybe the most nervous he's ever been

1250
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: for an athletic endeavor, whether it was a high profile

1251
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: Boston College soccer game or when he fought BJ Penn

1252
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: or something like that. But like this, Brendan Allen, Ray,

1253
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 1: he's so just that ice water in the veins type

1254
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 1: of athlete, at least in terms of my eye test,

1255
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: that when I see him with the kid, it doesn't

1256
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: even matter, you know, like he's looking for his daughter

1257
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: right before the fight. Well, Alex Padata is giving you

1258
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 1: a look that will be fatal, right, Like Brendan brought

1259
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: the apex for his daughter and then is able to

1260
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: perform like that. I just think, I don't know if

1261
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 1: he's able to just compartmentalize it the right way, but

1262
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: he's just he's just ready to perform when it matters

1263
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 1: all the time, seemingly.

1264
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 3: I get. The only thing I can say is good

1265
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 3: to be young. That's what I uh. I don't think.

1266
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 3: I don't know if this is the same thing, but

1267
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 3: I look, I had my kids when I was old.

1268
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 3: I was a paranoid not they couldn't even I didn't

1269
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 3: even want him going out on the front gris. You know,

1270
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 3: it was a little wacky. The older you get, I think,

1271
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 3: the more you're like that. But when I watch these

1272
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 3: young kids, like wid mean, when his kids kids falling

1273
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 3: off the treadmill on his head, nobody's even batan eye.

1274
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 3: It's like normal. It's it's a different, different vibe when

1275
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 3: you're that young. I think that's that's my only thing

1276
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 3: I have in my head right now. But that's it.

1277
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 3: When you get older, you know, it's like, you know,

1278
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 3: like your grandparents are going to tell you know, I

1279
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 3: don't do that, don't do that. But these young kids,

1280
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 3: when they they have kids that young, that just it's

1281
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 3: a different mindset. I think that's what I'm seeing.

1282
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, that's fair. I thought we were just

1283
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: saying it was just sort of ignorance is bliss in

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Speaker 1: terms of no editor But yeah, you're right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no it's not. It's yeah, sorry, it's not

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01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 3: ignorance is bliss. So when I watch it, I wish

1287
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Speaker 3: I was more like that, I'll be honest with you.

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Speaker 3: That's why I say I think I like, again, we

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01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 3: had kids when we were older, so it was a

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Speaker 3: little different, and thirty five thirty six back then was

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Speaker 3: like forty now I think forty two, so it's a

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Speaker 3: different vibe. But I love watching me. It's that's the way.

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Speaker 3: I think, that's the way kids should be raised, you know,

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Speaker 3: I mean different generations. We like, my parents were young

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01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 3: when they had you know, me and my brothers, so

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Speaker 3: things were differently.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Kenny and I were basically dying when we chose

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Speaker 1: to program.

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Speaker 4: More than you.

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Speaker 1: You know, how were you ray when you had your

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01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 1: first kid. I think I was like thirty two, but

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01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 1: my last one, my son, was born ten days before

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Speaker 1: I turned forty.

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Speaker 3: Wow, I'm going to say thirty six and thirty seven.

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01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 3: I had Irish twins, so you know, it's but but

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01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 3: again it was back that's twenty eight years ago, you

1307
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 3: know what I mean. So things change even with that.

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01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 3: Back then, though, I was considered almost like a trend

1309
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 3: set of getting married at thirty five. You know, now,

1310
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Speaker 3: myce Now my advice is forty five minimal.

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Speaker 4: That's what a real man matures finally around forty five.

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Speaker 3: That's why, you know, Kenny, that's even it doesn't even

1313
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Speaker 3: happen then. But it's a good I agree with, you know.

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Speaker 3: But it's it's it's a hope. It's a hope that

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01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 3: you do. I mean, I'm still waiting for that aha

1316
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:07,919
Speaker 3: moment where I go, oh wow, I'm actually an adult. Yeah,

1317
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 3: this is crazy, this is nuts. Oh, John, do we

1318
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 3: lose it?

1319
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 1: No, I'm just thinking in my head, I'm forty five,

1320
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 1: and I would not describe myself as particularly mature.

1321
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I know. It's it's a.

1322
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 1: Parent or in certain parental situations, maturity would not be

1323
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 1: what I would Yeah, yeah.

1324
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 3: But we try. We do try.

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01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 1: Though, yeah, yeah, yeah, sometimes, but no, I guess there's

1326
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 1: certain things and I hope my mother's not listening to

1327
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 1: this particular episode. But as I get older, I can't

1328
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 1: fake emoting or caring about certain things. I can't watch

1329
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 1: a movie with children involved without crying my eye out.

1330
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 1: But in terms of certain familial navigations, right, don't always care, right,

1331
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 1: and not always the best faking that I give a

1332
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 1: fuck either, all right, but.

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Speaker 3: The fact that you're crying during the fact that you're

1334
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 3: crying during that those movies me there's a human element

1335
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 3: to you that. Yeah, that is very acceptable. Yeah, I

1336
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 3: mean that covers everything. You don't have to do anything

1337
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 3: after that.

1338
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 1: The UFC fan base that thinks I'm either do you

1339
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 1: a chill? I am actually a human being.

1340
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 3: Now do you cry in front of it? Do you

1341
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 3: cry in front of everybody? You try to sneak like,

1342
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 3: you know, you're wiping your eyes while the thing's going on,

1343
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 3: so nobody knows, because that's what I do. I make

1344
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 3: like I'm blowing my nose. Oh, my allergies, my allergies.

1345
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 3: All of a sudden eye, yeah, yeah, shoe, I got

1346
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 3: something in my eye.

1347
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 1: I try to hide it, Okay, I just want to

1348
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 1: make sure. So just one feel good thing before I

1349
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 1: get to one of our listeners who had a criticism

1350
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 1: of our last episode. So, Jason Jackson and PATCHI Mix.

1351
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you saw this bellatore ship, but yeah,

1352
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 1: I just think this sort of both of the winds

1353
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 1: speak to what makes MM a great right, just everything

1354
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 1: that PATCHI Mix has done, just in terms of the

1355
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 1: hard work to prove to the world that he's one

1356
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 1: of the best one hundred and thirty five pounders even

1357
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 1: though he hasn't had the stage nor the spotlight. And

1358
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 1: then Jason Jackson at thirty three years of age, I

1359
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 1: would hesitate to call him a journeyman, but he was

1360
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 1: always just you know, the teammate who maybe came up

1361
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 1: short in the big moment. And I don't know, man,

1362
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 1: it just makes me feel really good to see, you know,

1363
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 1: Jason Jackson in particular, realize the world title. That's all

1364
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:16,439
Speaker 1: I got.

1365
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 3: Now, No listen, man, Pati Mix on another level at

1366
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 3: this point. He needs, he he deserves. I'm wall I'm

1367
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 3: not saying better competition that way, but he deserves to

1368
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:31,440
Speaker 3: really get in the mix. Here's the problem, and it's

1369
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 3: a compliment. And Pati Mix is awesome. I know he's valued.

1370
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 3: I think he's pretty close with al Joe Morab. He

1371
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 3: seems like a nice guy, but he's the here's the problem,

1372
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 3: and is why I'd like to see the kid get

1373
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 3: some attention. In Boston. I think Matt runs into uh,

1374
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:50,919
Speaker 3: who's his girlfriend, Tatiana Suarez? Yes, and he's there talk

1375
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 3: and then you know, Patchie's obviously her boyfriend. He goes,

1376
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 3: he goes. They felt like an asshole, but he said

1377
01:04:56,640 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 3: to him, do you fight the guys? That that's the issue, Like,

1378
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, you got to get those

1379
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:06,920
Speaker 3: eyeballs on you. So I think this kid deserves to

1380
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 3: be in the UFC just for the fact that he

1381
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 3: deserves like more recognition than then he's getting night And

1382
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 3: based on that, I'm just based on that, right, you

1383
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 3: don't even know who the guy is. The guy's one

1384
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 3: of the best in the world, you know what I mean,

1385
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 3: if not the best. So I'd love to see that

1386
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 3: kid get other competition because I think he deserves it,

1387
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 3: and he is coming into his own and he looks

1388
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 3: like a problem for anybody.

1389
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, part of my prospect. Actually before my fighter meeting

1390
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 1: with Tatiana Suarez was to do a little bit of

1391
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 1: a deeper dive into patchy mix, you know, so that

1392
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 1: when he walks in the room, I knew what I

1393
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 1: was dealing with.

1394
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:44,680
Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, make.

1395
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 1: That guy feel like a million bucks.

1396
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 3: All right, very nice, very nice.

1397
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 1: A YouTube comment from our UFC two ninety five recap

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01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:55,280
Speaker 1: from our great listener, Dixie Chan. This woman has listened

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01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 1: to probably four hundred and twenty five of the four

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty episodes we have done. Longtime supporter of

1401
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 1: mine and the show. But she's also not afraid to

1402
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 1: be critical of me on a live broadcast or me

1403
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 1: on the Anak and Floran podcast. So look alive out there,

1404
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 1: ken fell I want you to hear this as well.

1405
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 1: All right, Raymond, here we go. So this is from

1406
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,959
Speaker 1: Dixie Chan five days ago. Wasn't the best Ray long

1407
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 1: Go minute, to be honest, And this is no criticism

1408
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 1: of you, Ray by the way, it's all coming at

1409
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 1: the time. It's all good, you know, just like my family, right,

1410
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 1: I take all the fucking bullets, all right. Wasn't the

1411
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 1: best Ray long Go minute to be honest? When there's

1412
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 1: a pay per view with big fights, a card which

1413
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 1: is arguably the best of the year, it may not

1414
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,440
Speaker 1: be the good idea to schedule schedule some other interview

1415
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 1: in the same show. It felt like such a hasty

1416
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 1: minute and not giving Ray the opportunity to go in depth.

1417
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 1: And there was no coverage on the Mackenzie during Jessica

1418
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 1: and Rage fight, nor the Diego Lopez fight. We did

1419
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 1: cover Diego Lopez, but I love you Dixie Chant would

1420
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 1: have loved to have Ray give his take from a

1421
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 1: coach's perspective on Durn's fight progression and the change of coaches.

1422
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 1: There was a similar incident on the show a few

1423
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 1: months ago when you scheduled Brian on the same show

1424
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 1: as Ray Longo and as a result had to rush

1425
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 1: Longo the same way you do on this show. Please

1426
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:07,880
Speaker 1: don't cram interviews on a big paper like that. I

1427
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 1: was looking forward to this show all day on a

1428
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 1: historic fight card, and it didn't deliver.

1429
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 3: Damn. How dare you you? Yeah, thank you, Dixie Chan.

1430
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 3: That will be it. There'll be a T shirt and

1431
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 3: the mail to you, thank you whichever one you want

1432
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 3: saw me. Thank you very much. But holy crow, hey,

1433
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 3: how are those mugs going? Did you see that promo

1434
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:34,439
Speaker 3: that Laura Sanko cut? Come on, good, guys, very good.

1435
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:38,680
Speaker 3: You didn't see that? Oh my god? Very sensual, very

1436
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 3: very I mean, if if you don't buy a mug

1437
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 3: after that, he can we can? We can? We can?

1438
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:48,240
Speaker 3: We have Laura Sanko drink out of every mug before

1439
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 3: they go out to people. I think that might help

1440
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 3: sell them. I don't know.

1441
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 4: Put it down.

1442
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 1: But can I just tell you guys, right, sometimes when

1443
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 1: you when you launch a website or you have some

1444
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 1: professional or personal initiative, sometimes it's a lens into who

1445
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 1: are your true supporters or I guess who are your

1446
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 1: hardcore supporters?

1447
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 3: Right?

1448
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 1: Like our producer Lappie and Laura Sanko were two of

1449
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 1: the first people to go to john Ant dot com

1450
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 1: and buy merchandise.

1451
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 3: Right.

1452
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 1: So Laura on her own went and bought merchandise.

1453
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 3: Right.

1454
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 1: It's not like Raymon Peter Long Wow. Right, So we

1455
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 1: sent her some other stuff, We sent her something for

1456
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:25,679
Speaker 1: her husband, right, But it's like she went and bought

1457
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:29,840
Speaker 1: something for herself. And uh obviously that uh, that touched

1458
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 1: me in my heart. But yeah, so can we get

1459
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:33,599
Speaker 1: to this comment from Dixie.

1460
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:36,759
Speaker 3: Please, yeh, let me let me, I'll let me start. Please.

1461
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:43,680
Speaker 3: Mackenzie durn fight. Wow, that was I'm gonna tell you,

1462
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 3: I don't know. First off, you know it's funny. I look,

1463
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 3: I must have seen it. I didn't hear it. But

1464
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:51,520
Speaker 3: I think Petriot did he have a lock on Androge

1465
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 3: in that fight? Like that was his? Uh, somebody died.

1466
01:08:56,680 --> 01:09:01,440
Speaker 4: I think I got to Petrie pick Mackenzie.

1467
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:05,640
Speaker 3: Oh. I thought Mackenzie. Oh, that's good. I thought Mackenzie

1468
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:09,640
Speaker 3: Dern was a lock in that fight, you know what

1469
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 3: I mean. I thought she was a lot. I don't

1470
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 3: know what I was looking at. That was a regression.

1471
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:17,439
Speaker 3: That's not good. I thought Perillo was doing a great

1472
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:21,760
Speaker 3: job with her. She looked comfortable, you know, in the

1473
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 3: pocket at times, with her striking. I saw a I didn't.

1474
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:29,679
Speaker 3: I was kind of blown away in the opposite direction

1475
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:34,760
Speaker 3: of what I saw. But ord through the grapevinders. You know,

1476
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:37,479
Speaker 3: when you get a new boyfriend, things could change something

1477
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 3: like that. But Parillo I saw when I went out, well,

1478
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 3: I saw Perillo. Oh no, that was any other thing.

1479
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 3: But whatever, But he wasn't in the corner. Is what

1480
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:49,400
Speaker 3: I'm trying to say, and I saw the whole team

1481
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:52,080
Speaker 3: back backstage when I was with I think Na's getting

1482
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:54,960
Speaker 3: stitched up. But yeah, I don't know, man, that was

1483
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 3: not She's got to go. I think she's got to

1484
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 3: get back to basics. And I thought she was on

1485
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 3: a really good rejectory upwards. I thought that was a

1486
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 3: big slide backwards. I don't know if that's what your

1487
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:07,640
Speaker 3: take is, but I didn't like what I saw at all.

1488
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:11,880
Speaker 1: Kenny. Sometimes I'm hesitant to get too technical, especially in

1489
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 1: your presence, right, because you're too nice a guy to

1490
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 1: like put me in my place, right. But Mackenzie Dern, right,

1491
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 1: hasn't developed her offensive wrestling the way maybe some expected

1492
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 1: to get the fight to that special area that is

1493
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 1: her jiu jitsu, right. But Francisco Grosso, to my eyes,

1494
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:35,559
Speaker 1: has turned Diego Lopez, a Brazilian jiu jitsu black belt

1495
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:38,759
Speaker 1: and the Team Lobo Grappling coach into like a really

1496
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:41,799
Speaker 1: layered striker who knows how to faint and switch dances

1497
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:44,599
Speaker 1: and do all of these things. So I'm not saying

1498
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:48,520
Speaker 1: that Mackenzie Dern can't become this elite striker, but sometimes

1499
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:51,639
Speaker 1: I feel like the energy isn't always channeled in that

1500
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:54,639
Speaker 1: way of either, you know, becoming a great offensive wrestler

1501
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 1: or really becoming a great striker. And I don't know

1502
01:10:57,360 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 1: what your thoughts were on on Mackenzie Dern in defeat

1503
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 1: two weeks ago.

1504
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's a lot to unpack there, and

1505
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 4: I certainly don't have all the answers as to what

1506
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 4: the issue is, but I do think that she's leaving

1507
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 4: a lot on the table by not focusing on her wrestling. Like,

1508
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 4: if jiu jitsu is the most dangerous thing that you

1509
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 4: bring to a fight, then you've got to get that

1510
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 4: fight to the ground. And I think that's where there's

1511
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 4: always been a deficiency there. You know, Listen, some grapplers

1512
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:29,880
Speaker 4: will never be great strikers. Okay, I think that's pretty

1513
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:32,679
Speaker 4: fair to stretch to say. From my experience, certain guys

1514
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:35,280
Speaker 4: they just don't get it. The footwork, they're too stiff

1515
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 4: or whatever it is. You can make them dangerous, doesn't

1516
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:41,040
Speaker 4: mean they can't be knockout artists or be dangerous, but

1517
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:45,080
Speaker 4: to be great strikers, some grapplers just won't ever get there. Now,

1518
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:47,599
Speaker 4: how do you bring their grappling more to the forefront,

1519
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 4: Like Habib Normaga MetOp was not the best striker in

1520
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:53,599
Speaker 4: the world, but man, he did not get hit and

1521
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 4: he would get a hold of you and you'd be

1522
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 4: on your back shortly thereafter, and then you'd never get

1523
01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:01,000
Speaker 4: it back up again. Mackenzie, it is so dangerous for

1524
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 4: their submission game. I don't understand why there hasn't been

1525
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:07,559
Speaker 4: a focus on her just being the best takedown artist

1526
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 4: that she could be at this at this stage of

1527
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 4: the game, Like, let's focus all our energy on that.

1528
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 4: How do you get to a clinch safely and how

1529
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 4: do you put someone on their back as efficiently as possible?

1530
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 4: And that's what she should have been focusing on. And

1531
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:22,440
Speaker 4: I agree with Ray. I think there was a regression

1532
01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:24,800
Speaker 4: in her striking. You know, I don't know if it's

1533
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 4: fair to say, hey, because she went with someone else,

1534
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 4: that's what's happening here.

1535
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:30,680
Speaker 3: Maybe right right.

1536
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 4: However, sometimes when you're in a certain group with a

1537
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:37,680
Speaker 4: certain coach and you switch things up, even if that

1538
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 4: coach is even better in some regards, it takes you

1539
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:44,840
Speaker 4: a little while with their methodology, with their training, all

1540
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 4: those things. So I think that you know, how you

1541
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:52,479
Speaker 4: focus your energy and what you focus on in training

1542
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:55,759
Speaker 4: really does matter, and I'm not sure that was really

1543
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:59,240
Speaker 4: taken advantage of in a fight like time is the

1544
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 4: most important, the thing that we have for life and

1545
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:06,600
Speaker 4: for training, and if you're not maximizing that that thing optimally,

1546
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 4: then you're doing yourself a disservice.

1547
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, let me let me touch on that A really

1548
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 3: really good what I meant with the striking too, But

1549
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 3: the wrestling is another issue. But I just thought she

1550
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:18,920
Speaker 3: was coming along very nicely with the striking. I mean,

1551
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 3: she reverted back to swinging wild. Couldn't have put ahead

1552
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:24,519
Speaker 3: more up in the air than it was. So I

1553
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 3: agree with you with the coaching because obviously I go

1554
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:29,599
Speaker 3: through it. It takes time. People come to me. I'll spend

1555
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 3: three weeks with you. No, it doesn't work like that, right,

1556
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 3: you know, but you know what it is. You're ray

1557
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:36,120
Speaker 3: long ago. You could deny that one hundred percent. I'm

1558
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 3: very one hundred percent. We're looking at a year, We're

1559
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:41,280
Speaker 3: not looking at three weeks, buddy, you know what I mean.

1560
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:44,639
Speaker 3: So I agree with that, But you still can't go

1561
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 3: from having somewhat of a structure to I mean, so

1562
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:51,800
Speaker 3: to me, I think it's more psychological than physically. I

1563
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 3: don't think you could even lose that like that, you

1564
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:57,240
Speaker 3: know what I mean. So I don't know as far

1565
01:13:57,280 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 3: as the wrestling, well, I'm gonna say, and I'm gonna

1566
01:13:59,920 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 3: speak probably at a line in a way, but getting

1567
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:07,000
Speaker 3: a fight to the floor is way harder than keeping

1568
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 3: a fight standing up. I think. I think everybody's takedown

1569
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 3: defense is so squared away that if you are not

1570
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:17,320
Speaker 3: bon Nickel and you got to expend energy that you

1571
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:20,520
Speaker 3: don't want to expend, you're not doing it like it's

1572
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 3: it's everybody's got decent takedown defense. What we do in

1573
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 3: the gym, get up against the cage. I mean, it's

1574
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 3: not easy to get a guy down unless you're really

1575
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:32,640
Speaker 3: at a high level. Like she wasn't a wrestler, so

1576
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:35,080
Speaker 3: she has to learn wrestless. She's going to go up

1577
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 3: against like a Tatiana Suarez that's been wrestling. That's a

1578
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:42,599
Speaker 3: hard ask man. Now on the floor, it's a different story.

1579
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:45,200
Speaker 3: But I do agree that's where your time should be

1580
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 3: spent and you should be as crazy as getting that

1581
01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:50,720
Speaker 3: fight to the floor as the people that don't want

1582
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 3: to go to the floor, you know what I mean.

1583
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:54,120
Speaker 3: That's the way it's got to be. But I see

1584
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:56,360
Speaker 3: it in the gym, if you're expending a lot of

1585
01:14:56,439 --> 01:14:58,320
Speaker 3: energy and then you've got to come back up and strike.

1586
01:14:58,360 --> 01:15:00,400
Speaker 3: And that could have been even what happened. She got

1587
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 3: so tired trying to get the fight to the floor

1588
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:07,639
Speaker 3: that it just discombobulates her striking altogether because now you're exhausted. Right,

1589
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:12,640
Speaker 3: So that's a tricky one, man. I do agree with philosophically,

1590
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:14,680
Speaker 3: it's right, but it's not easy getting the fight to

1591
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:15,160
Speaker 3: the floor.

1592
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:17,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I don't mean over the course of this

1593
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 4: training camp, right, that's not going to happen. Just the

1594
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:24,120
Speaker 4: same way with striking. It takes so long to get

1595
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 4: your wrestling in order. It did for me anyway. But

1596
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:29,559
Speaker 4: when she started her MMA career, when she found out

1597
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 4: she was going to go into the UFC, like that

1598
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 4: should have been the past, Yes, years ago. Your decisions

1599
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:38,479
Speaker 4: that you make happened years years ahead. And I agree,

1600
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 4: I don't think she's she's doing that at this stage

1601
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 4: of the game. And and and we also have to

1602
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:46,360
Speaker 4: have to say that was a tough stylistic matchup for

1603
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:48,320
Speaker 4: it going to get someone like got Draj who is

1604
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 4: really strong on the feet. She's good with her takedown

1605
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 4: defense and wrestling and all that stuff, and she's so powerful.

1606
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 4: That was a tough matchup for you know, she took

1607
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:00,960
Speaker 4: some big lumps in that fight. She she got knocked

1608
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:03,200
Speaker 4: down a few times. She took some big shots. I'm

1609
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 4: just glad it wasn't one of those where you're like, ah, man,

1610
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 4: is she gonna be the same after that one. I

1611
01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 4: don't think it was that bad, so I think she

1612
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:14,679
Speaker 4: she can come back from it. But it was kind

1613
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 4: of close. You don't want to take a whole lot

1614
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 4: of damage when you're that small of a person. And

1615
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:21,800
Speaker 4: I don't know. I hope she's able to regroup because

1616
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 4: Mackenzie is is she is so sweet and so nice. Yeah,

1617
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 4: she is so talented. So hopefully he's able to regroup

1618
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 4: and get things, get everything going. And she's dealing with

1619
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 4: a lot outside of the cages.

1620
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:34,960
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, get that all right. I think

1621
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 3: look when I was doing when I was doing accounting,

1622
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 3: like if a guy got divorced, the thing, don't even

1623
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:41,160
Speaker 3: talk to the guy for six months, He's going to

1624
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 3: be useless. That was definitely the term you're gonna do.

1625
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:47,559
Speaker 3: Anybody's been through a divorce or watch the people go

1626
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:51,559
Speaker 3: through a divorce. It is. You can't do two things.

1627
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 3: There's no way you could go through a divorce and fight.

1628
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:58,320
Speaker 3: I really don't unless you're a special person. Because that shit,

1629
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:02,559
Speaker 3: especially her who you know, for I guess obvious reasons.

1630
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:06,880
Speaker 3: She's the supporter. She's got to pay the other person.

1631
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:09,120
Speaker 4: You know, domestic violence. Domestic violence, Yeah.

1632
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 3: Right, I mean think about it. I mean, yeah, we're

1633
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 3: bringing up we're going in another direction. But based on that,

1634
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:16,680
Speaker 3: I don't even blame her performance. I really don't. I'm

1635
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:19,800
Speaker 3: not even kidding. I think that's how psychologically messed up

1636
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:22,000
Speaker 3: you get. Because Kenny, it almost looked like the old

1637
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:24,080
Speaker 3: school jiu jitsu guys that didn't want to get off

1638
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:25,960
Speaker 3: their ass, like when they got knocked down and they

1639
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 3: I mean, it was a regression to me. But now

1640
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:32,000
Speaker 3: that we're talking about it, it makes more sense that

1641
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:37,800
Speaker 3: I think mentally she just she I don't think she

1642
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:41,400
Speaker 3: could be there. I've watched people get destroyed, and it

1643
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:44,840
Speaker 3: takes a real special person to be able to do

1644
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:47,960
Speaker 3: more than one thing when you're getting divorced, and that's

1645
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:50,320
Speaker 3: that's going to take her a while. But you know,

1646
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:52,400
Speaker 3: because again with the wrestling, you're right to look at

1647
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:56,600
Speaker 3: Lanchfield made that fight look easy, and she can wrestle,

1648
01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

1649
01:17:57,640 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 4: So I've just been dealing with that as well. We

1650
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:00,680
Speaker 4: should say too, you know.

1651
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 3: A hundred I mean think about that, you know, I

1652
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:06,439
Speaker 3: don't know if it's I don't. Yeah, that's about but

1653
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:08,679
Speaker 3: that's crazy though. Yeah, but you're right though they both

1654
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:10,920
Speaker 3: were dealing with it. I don't know.

1655
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:13,519
Speaker 1: Dixie Chan wanted nine minutes on all of that stuff.

1656
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 1: We can't do it, Dixie. You have my email if

1657
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:25,679
Speaker 1: you want to be an associate producer and normalized question.

1658
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:28,000
Speaker 1: So if Dixie and Ray, maybe you guys could collaborate

1659
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:29,920
Speaker 1: on what the fuck you want to ask you? If

1660
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 1: you would like to email me uh questions my email address,

1661
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:36,040
Speaker 1: we can do that. I do think real quick in

1662
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:41,839
Speaker 1: all seriousness fighting on jobs. Right, she was in desperation

1663
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:44,400
Speaker 1: mode of her fifth fight of the year, right, lost

1664
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:47,439
Speaker 1: three in a row, like total desperation time for her.

1665
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:49,759
Speaker 1: And I would say, Mackenzie durn like she's not afraid

1666
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:51,800
Speaker 1: to get hit, that's for damn sure. Right, she is tough.

1667
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 1: She has shown measures of heart at times in these fights,

1668
01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:57,759
Speaker 1: and you just have to wonder about about the pressure

1669
01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:00,840
Speaker 1: of expectations. When was it first presented to Kenzie, Like, hey,

1670
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:03,439
Speaker 1: you know you just beat Gabby Garcia in a jiu

1671
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 1: jitsu match in which there was a one hundred pounds differential, Like,

1672
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:09,439
Speaker 1: maybe you should try mixed martial arts. I feel like

1673
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:12,040
Speaker 1: there's always been that pressure, and I've never peeled back

1674
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 1: the curtain with Mackenzie Durn to know how much she

1675
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:16,920
Speaker 1: really wanted this career. I think she does want to

1676
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 1: be a fighter and be a world champion, but uh,

1677
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:22,479
Speaker 1: you know everything has to align for for that to happen.

1678
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:24,719
Speaker 1: Do you guys have anything else on McKenzie durn.

1679
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:28,759
Speaker 3: It depends on squeeze.

1680
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 4: Waitit way good?

1681
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:34,000
Speaker 3: Wait there? Does first off, your pass as Miss John

1682
01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:39,960
Speaker 3: is not appreciated on this show. Does Dixie Chan have

1683
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:42,559
Speaker 3: anything else you would like us to discuss? We here

1684
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:45,600
Speaker 3: to please the fans? We are? Are we not?

1685
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:46,719
Speaker 1: Listener and viewer?

1686
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:50,160
Speaker 3: First? Not about you. It's not about your new studio anymore.

1687
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:51,280
Speaker 3: It's about the fans.

1688
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:55,120
Speaker 1: That's right, all right? I have I have it with you.

1689
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:58,920
Speaker 1: More things with Ray Longo before we go. This question

1690
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:02,040
Speaker 1: comes in from one of our great listeners, Sebastian Constantino.

1691
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:05,759
Speaker 1: He was at UFC two ninety five, Madison Square Garden

1692
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:08,280
Speaker 1: in New York, and he said, scale of one to ten.

1693
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:10,639
Speaker 1: How is ray Longo's hit? Because he got the procedure

1694
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:13,439
Speaker 1: done in August, and even though he didn't notice anything

1695
01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 1: resembling a noticeable limp when he was observing you live

1696
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:19,080
Speaker 1: and in color a UFC two ninety five, he said,

1697
01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:20,720
Speaker 1: you were moving a little bit slowly, So scale of

1698
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 1: one to ten. The procedure happened in August. Kindly gives

1699
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:26,240
Speaker 1: Sebastian and everybody else an update on the hip replacement,

1700
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:27,759
Speaker 1: if you'd be so kind, Well.

1701
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:30,040
Speaker 3: I think I'm at a seven or eight, you know,

1702
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:32,840
Speaker 3: no pain, but I'm still I haven't thrown a kick yet,

1703
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:36,040
Speaker 3: but right I'll send you some videos of me hit

1704
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:39,599
Speaker 3: and I'm trying to get my balance now. It's it's

1705
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:40,559
Speaker 3: I think it's I'm.

1706
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:43,640
Speaker 1: Going to say so throwing kicks for just because you

1707
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:46,280
Speaker 1: want to stay acting you're a kickboxer.

1708
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 3: At your course, yeah, cardio, you know.

1709
01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 1: Board, Yeah, No, I just think I don't want to

1710
01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:56,720
Speaker 1: go things that aren't going to get me hurt. You know.

1711
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:59,559
Speaker 1: Oh that's that's That's where I'm missing that. I like

1712
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:02,640
Speaker 1: play sports, you know, I would love to day.

1713
01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:06,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's where I'm at, but at the end of

1714
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:07,479
Speaker 3: the day, I just don't want to grow up.

1715
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 1: John yep, all right, thanks for the question, Sebastian. And

1716
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 1: then lastly, the World MMA Awards our Thursday, December fourteenth

1717
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:21,600
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas, Nevada. Now you are twice nominated for

1718
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:24,400
Speaker 1: the Anaican Florian Podcast and also Coach of the Year.

1719
01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:26,479
Speaker 1: I don't unders I don't know as whether or not

1720
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:29,760
Speaker 1: you've won this hardware, but our great friend friend of

1721
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:33,000
Speaker 1: the program, Big Ron bets Big Ron Ron Pellegrino, owner

1722
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:36,960
Speaker 1: of the Paradise Camp. He's the best to a suite

1723
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:40,479
Speaker 1: at virgin if you do decide to join us in

1724
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:44,120
Speaker 1: Las Vegas. So I understand with the hip and everything else,

1725
01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:48,680
Speaker 1: you know, you can be an excuse machine, you know.

1726
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:51,759
Speaker 1: I'm just saying Ron has booked you a suite under

1727
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:54,879
Speaker 1: the name Raymond Peter Longo if you are so inclined

1728
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:57,600
Speaker 1: and want to be there to at least clap for

1729
01:21:57,640 --> 01:22:00,400
Speaker 1: the person who wins the awards in our respective category.

1730
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:02,680
Speaker 3: And that's Thursday to fourteenth.

1731
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:07,080
Speaker 1: Thursday December fourteenth, we'd like to congratulate the Coach of

1732
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:08,679
Speaker 1: the Year Francisco back.

1733
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:18,599
Speaker 3: I tell you, I'll tell you. I don't even think

1734
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:21,640
Speaker 3: I could. I'll tell you a funny story list. I

1735
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:24,599
Speaker 3: was nominated for Coach of the Year. But whatever, we'll.

1736
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:28,080
Speaker 1: Save we got to we're a minute.

1737
01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:30,400
Speaker 3: We'll save that from when we're on the phone.

1738
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:35,080
Speaker 1: Oh I like those. I like those kind of All right,

1739
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:37,080
Speaker 1: well just think about it. We'll see if we see

1740
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:39,000
Speaker 1: you there and uh, you know, we can get you

1741
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:41,160
Speaker 1: stuited and booted from Mark Russell if you don't have

1742
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:42,880
Speaker 1: a suit. You know, I don't know if it's black.

1743
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:46,759
Speaker 3: Oh wow, yeah, you get me suited with Mark Russell.

1744
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:57,280
Speaker 3: I'm coming out all right hopefully. Oh and watching what

1745
01:22:57,320 --> 01:23:00,400
Speaker 3: are you doing that that hat? That's look at it guy.

1746
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:03,559
Speaker 3: He's a machine, now, Danny, we lost him. He's a

1747
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:07,840
Speaker 3: marketing machine. Man, he's a marketing machine.

1748
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:12,000
Speaker 1: Think I'm a marketing machine. I've never been described as such. Really, well, well,

1749
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:12,679
Speaker 1: here's what happened.

1750
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:16,479
Speaker 4: Here's what happened. Who wouldn't want John Anick as their spokesperson, right,

1751
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:17,200
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what.

1752
01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:23,560
Speaker 3: This man speaks beautifully. You really no, he really doesn't know.

1753
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 3: He has a command of the English language like very

1754
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:28,080
Speaker 3: few people do.

1755
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:32,120
Speaker 1: Well thank you. That means a tremendous thought.

1756
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:36,000
Speaker 3: Now very Come on, man, you're well spoken, you thought

1757
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 3: out the notes you take each fight. Come on, think

1758
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:41,280
Speaker 3: me and Kenny. You takeing notes. We come in here

1759
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:43,880
Speaker 3: and wing it. We wing it out of ours every week.

1760
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:46,240
Speaker 3: You take it. No, I mean this is horrible. I

1761
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:47,000
Speaker 3: feel guilty.

1762
01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 1: You're the man. Hey, uh you know how much love

1763
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:51,880
Speaker 1: I got for you. We'll connect this week. Have a

1764
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:56,160
Speaker 1: happy Thanksgiving. And yes, enjoyed the ufc rest. But by

1765
01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:58,280
Speaker 1: the pay per view can flow ESPN plus pay per

1766
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:01,240
Speaker 1: view on a PFL this weekend, So it is a

1767
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:05,280
Speaker 1: pay per view Friday night review can flow?

1768
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:08,599
Speaker 3: So I love, I'm by, I'm I'm on, I'm doing it.

1769
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:11,080
Speaker 3: Where where is the Where is the fight at d

1770
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:13,840
Speaker 3: C Washington, DC? Man? When are you back to New York?

1771
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:19,240
Speaker 3: You know that's a good question for sure. Yeah, yeah,

1772
01:24:20,240 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 3: all right, cool man. I'm looking forward to that. Man.

1773
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:25,680
Speaker 3: So we have fights this weekend, Yes, sir, happy, so

1774
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:26,840
Speaker 3: happy with that? John.

1775
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:29,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, black Friday, I'll be watching the Jets and the

1776
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:32,320
Speaker 1: Dolphins and then uh can flow in my nightcap, you know,

1777
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 1: a little basil. Hayden's all have a great day at a

1778
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:38,960
Speaker 1: better evening. Enjoy your Sunday. National Football League beckends at

1779
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:41,559
Speaker 1: one pm Eastern if you're so inclined, Yeah, I'll be there.

1780
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 3: I'll talk to you guys later. Great, great, great talk today,

1781
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:49,800
Speaker 3: Dixie Chan. I hope that question. Well, I like the

1782
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:51,439
Speaker 3: ring of that name, Dixie Chan.

1783
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:54,839
Speaker 1: Dixie Chan, the Associates and podcast.

1784
01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:59,880
Speaker 3: Cody's done, so you just fight for Dixie Chad has exact.

1785
01:25:00,240 --> 01:25:03,080
Speaker 1: No, we didn't co executive producer.

1786
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:08,679
Speaker 3: Now we have executives for Kenny Show is taken off. Man.

1787
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:11,920
Speaker 1: I'm sure Cody is wondering right now, but the whole high,

1788
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:14,439
Speaker 1: aren't you know? Right like why Cody's probably like, well,

1789
01:25:14,479 --> 01:25:16,560
Speaker 1: then why don't you let me make more decision? He

1790
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:21,200
Speaker 1: let make a decisions. He's the executive. Chant comes in

1791
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:26,320
Speaker 1: below him at Associated Wow, and we have Yeah, god.

1792
01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:28,840
Speaker 3: Those guys. One of those guys on the movie said

1793
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:32,880
Speaker 3: gaff his grift is one of those grit key grip.

1794
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:35,920
Speaker 3: Do we have any of those guys laying around? I

1795
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:40,000
Speaker 3: don't know. I'm done. Have a great talk to you. Hey,

1796
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:42,920
Speaker 3: Happy Thanksgiving guys. Really enjoy with your families. I'll talk

1797
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:43,639
Speaker 3: to you next week.

1798
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:49,320
Speaker 1: Thank you, guys, Thank you, buddy, right week here on

1799
01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:54,800
Speaker 1: the Anak and Florida podcast. I promise you I'm not

1800
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:56,920
Speaker 1: going to be as annoying with that next week and

1801
01:25:56,960 --> 01:26:00,320
Speaker 1: in the weeks to come. All right, I'm I believe

1802
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:03,160
Speaker 1: we have Spencer Miller on the guest line now joining us.

1803
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:06,640
Speaker 1: Long time you look. You're the fucking man, Spencer. I

1804
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:11,320
Speaker 1: didn't want to cuts that early. Now, longtime UFC fan

1805
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:15,559
Speaker 1: friend of mine, supporting the Toronto Blue Jays and just

1806
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 1: looking like a million bucks as usual. What's up, my man?

1807
01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:21,920
Speaker 1: How are we doing? Hey doing guys, We are doing well.

1808
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:25,160
Speaker 1: So this is a long time coming and we have

1809
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:27,479
Speaker 1: been waiting to talk to you. You are a big

1810
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:31,040
Speaker 1: NFL fan, obviously a UFC fan. You have been confided

1811
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:33,880
Speaker 1: to a wheelchair for your entire life. You have gone

1812
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:37,320
Speaker 1: on to realize great success professionally as a motivational speaker.

1813
01:26:37,400 --> 01:26:39,280
Speaker 1: I run through the list of guests that you have

1814
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:41,519
Speaker 1: talked to on your own show and some of your

1815
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:45,640
Speaker 1: professional endeavors, and I have so many different questions, but

1816
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:47,559
Speaker 1: I guess I just would like to start with your

1817
01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:51,479
Speaker 1: UFC fanaticism, if I could call it that. So we're

1818
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:54,160
Speaker 1: not all that many hours removed from Brendon Allen meeting

1819
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:56,959
Speaker 1: Paul Craig and a UFC main event at the Apex.

1820
01:26:57,000 --> 01:26:59,760
Speaker 1: It's one of forty one UFC fights a year. I

1821
01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:02,880
Speaker 1: know you're supporting me with text messages and suggestive pay

1822
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:06,120
Speaker 1: per view copy for me every week. Do you watch

1823
01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:08,519
Speaker 1: all forty one of these shows? And if not, how

1824
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:10,360
Speaker 1: many of these live events are you actually ingested?

1825
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 3: Absolutely not.

1826
01:27:12,280 --> 01:27:16,240
Speaker 7: I don't watch all forty one because, quite frankly, I

1827
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:18,599
Speaker 7: get too much mileage on my chair. You know, I'm

1828
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:21,000
Speaker 7: going from one place to another all the damn time,

1829
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:24,000
Speaker 7: So I watch as many as I can, but definitely

1830
01:27:24,040 --> 01:27:25,160
Speaker 7: not all forty one.

1831
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:26,160
Speaker 3: Ken Flow.

1832
01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:28,400
Speaker 7: It's nice to see you, by the way, as well.

1833
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:31,000
Speaker 7: I haven't seen you in a long, long time. The

1834
01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:35,200
Speaker 7: last time I saw you was at breakfast with one

1835
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:41,720
Speaker 7: of our favorites, Mark Delagrotti, aka the individual who likes

1836
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:44,800
Speaker 7: to be the bougiest person on the road in the

1837
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:49,880
Speaker 7: entire UFC roster, because he likes to walk into hotel

1838
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:54,520
Speaker 7: lobbies with his Guccie suitcases or his Louis Vaiton suitcases

1839
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:57,559
Speaker 7: and different things like that. I have no idea what

1840
01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:00,320
Speaker 7: the hell's going on with that guy. The main reason

1841
01:28:00,360 --> 01:28:03,680
Speaker 7: I hang with it. The main reason I hang out

1842
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:06,000
Speaker 7: with him is the same reason I hang out with

1843
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:09,120
Speaker 7: John candidly, and that's because both of them are more

1844
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:10,320
Speaker 7: handicapped than I am.

1845
01:28:10,439 --> 01:28:16,919
Speaker 1: So I knew that was Covin. So yeah, that's brilliant.

1846
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:20,920
Speaker 1: So You've had the chance to talk to Dana White,

1847
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:23,439
Speaker 1: to talk to George Saint Pierre, to work alongside Kee

1848
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:27,040
Speaker 1: for Sutherland and Designated Survivor. But I would say you're

1849
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:30,479
Speaker 1: probably probably your most important life's work would be speaking

1850
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:34,720
Speaker 1: and sort of imparting you know, your knowledge and how

1851
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:37,640
Speaker 1: you've dealt with your sort of given hand, right, I mean,

1852
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:40,400
Speaker 1: wouldn't you say that that has been your greatest contribution,

1853
01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:43,360
Speaker 1: even though you've done obviously higher profile things than that.

1854
01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 7: Well, I would say yes and no, because obviously I

1855
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:51,360
Speaker 7: can't get away from the fact that I'm in a wheelchair.

1856
01:28:51,439 --> 01:28:55,280
Speaker 7: My disability is my disability. I've had it my entire life.

1857
01:28:55,320 --> 01:28:59,360
Speaker 7: But in the end, I don't think about my disability.

1858
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:02,559
Speaker 7: But for five I have seconds on average throughout the

1859
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:04,880
Speaker 7: course of the day when I open my eyes first

1860
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:08,040
Speaker 7: thing in the morning and say, oh shit, I can't

1861
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:11,640
Speaker 7: walk still? All right, great, And that's about it, you know,

1862
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:17,519
Speaker 7: so do it like supporting the handicapped community and being

1863
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:21,320
Speaker 7: a voice for the handicapped community. Absolutely, But it hasn't

1864
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 7: defined my career who I am as an individual. It

1865
01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:27,920
Speaker 7: just happens to be part and parcel with what I do.

1866
01:29:28,479 --> 01:29:33,400
Speaker 7: And also, in full disclosure for those who don't know

1867
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:36,520
Speaker 7: who are watching this or listening to this right now,

1868
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:40,439
Speaker 7: the UFC has had an individual with them for a

1869
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:44,200
Speaker 7: long long time by the name of Stephen Quinn as well.

1870
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:49,160
Speaker 7: And Stephen Quinn is also in a wheelchair. And for

1871
01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:51,800
Speaker 7: years and years and years when I was on the

1872
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:56,519
Speaker 7: road with the UFC, almost every week Steven would annoy

1873
01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:59,760
Speaker 7: the living shit out of me and come up to

1874
01:29:59,840 --> 01:30:04,400
Speaker 7: me every week and say, Spence, we need the race,

1875
01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:07,320
Speaker 7: we need the race. And I would always and I

1876
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:11,360
Speaker 7: would always say to him, No, I'm not fucking racing you.

1877
01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:15,559
Speaker 3: This is not happening, okay. And then and.

1878
01:30:15,479 --> 01:30:20,240
Speaker 7: Then we had a UFC event here in Toronto.

1879
01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:23,000
Speaker 3: It was Gustafson versus.

1880
01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:26,680
Speaker 7: Jones, and we were at the hotel and I was

1881
01:30:26,720 --> 01:30:33,599
Speaker 7: having food with Dan Murgliana and my assistant slash friend Sean,

1882
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:37,360
Speaker 7: who you both met a couple of different times. And

1883
01:30:37,479 --> 01:30:40,960
Speaker 7: once again he came up to me and he said, Spence,

1884
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:43,559
Speaker 7: we need the race, and I said, fine, fuck it,

1885
01:30:43,640 --> 01:30:47,160
Speaker 7: We're in my hometown. I want to finally shut you up.

1886
01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:50,599
Speaker 7: We're gonna do it right now. So we did it

1887
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:55,960
Speaker 7: in the lobby of the Weston Harbor Castle Hotel. I

1888
01:30:56,040 --> 01:31:00,920
Speaker 7: started with Stephen Quinn at one end of the lobby.

1889
01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:05,160
Speaker 7: Murgleiotta and Sean went to the other end of the

1890
01:31:05,200 --> 01:31:09,920
Speaker 7: lobby to refit, and needless to say, it was like

1891
01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:12,960
Speaker 7: fast and the furious. I smoked his ass right off

1892
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:18,360
Speaker 7: the line. And he never asked me to race ever again.

1893
01:31:20,160 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to have to corroborate that with Steven Spencer.

1894
01:31:23,560 --> 01:31:26,280
Speaker 3: Okay, great, I love it.

1895
01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:31,040
Speaker 4: That's hilarious. So, Spencer, when did you become a UFC fan?

1896
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:37,439
Speaker 7: So, in two thousand and nine, a gentleman by the

1897
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:42,559
Speaker 7: name of Tom Wright was appointed as the president of

1898
01:31:42,840 --> 01:31:46,160
Speaker 7: UFC Canada when they were opening up the new big

1899
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:50,960
Speaker 7: UFC Canada office. And right before that he was the

1900
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:55,200
Speaker 7: commissioner of the Canadian Football League. And I was working

1901
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:59,160
Speaker 7: with the Toronto Argonauts at the time and we had

1902
01:31:59,200 --> 01:32:04,000
Speaker 7: become friends, and then I had stopped working with the Argonauts,

1903
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:07,080
Speaker 7: but still remain friends with Tom Wright, so at his

1904
01:32:07,240 --> 01:32:09,519
Speaker 7: introductory press conference.

1905
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:12,320
Speaker 3: At the Rogers.

1906
01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:15,640
Speaker 7: Center aka SkyDome, it will always be the SkyDome for

1907
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:21,240
Speaker 7: me personally speaking. I went down there and you know,

1908
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:25,880
Speaker 7: Lorenzo was there, and Dana was there, and everybody was there,

1909
01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:29,960
Speaker 7: and as I do in most situations, I left an

1910
01:32:29,960 --> 01:32:38,040
Speaker 7: impression and quickly became friends with everybody, and that led

1911
01:32:38,120 --> 01:32:43,240
Speaker 7: me to go to over ninety three fights I believe

1912
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Speaker 7: it was in different cities and things like that. And

1913
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Speaker 7: I always sat right next to Joe Silva and Rogan

1914
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:55,879
Speaker 7: and all of those guys, so I was right there.

1915
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Speaker 7: There was actually a drinking game that was creating on

1916
01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:04,640
Speaker 7: the internet because every time people saw me on a

1917
01:33:04,680 --> 01:33:06,839
Speaker 7: pay per view they would take a shot.

1918
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Speaker 3: So a lot of people got drunk.

1919
01:33:09,120 --> 01:33:15,000
Speaker 7: Because of me, essentially, and I just I just loved it.

1920
01:33:15,080 --> 01:33:18,840
Speaker 7: And you know, back then especially, it was thought of

1921
01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:25,360
Speaker 7: as quite the family within the organization, and wonderful people

1922
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Speaker 7: like Michelle Watkins did my travel a lot of the time,

1923
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:34,639
Speaker 7: and Liz Hedges and Dona Marcalini and all these people

1924
01:33:34,680 --> 01:33:36,760
Speaker 7: on and on and on down the list, and of

1925
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:40,000
Speaker 7: course are beloved Susie who would come up and give

1926
01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:44,160
Speaker 7: me a bear hug cage side multiple times and scared

1927
01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:46,000
Speaker 7: the living shit out of me because I didn't know

1928
01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:48,040
Speaker 7: that she was coming, you know.

1929
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Speaker 1: Yeah right. I mean, Kenny knows a lot of those people. Obviously,

1930
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Speaker 1: Dona Michelle Walkins still in the travel department. She's outstanding.

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Speaker 4: He's not this MMA Nuke ninety three live events. So

1932
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:03,479
Speaker 4: what is your most memorable event out of all those?

1933
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Speaker 7: John knows the answer to this because I talk about

1934
01:34:08,280 --> 01:34:12,920
Speaker 7: it all the time. It was the heavy weight card

1935
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:16,559
Speaker 7: that we had a number of years ago in Vegas,

1936
01:34:16,920 --> 01:34:20,200
Speaker 7: and only for the simple reason that it was all

1937
01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:21,360
Speaker 7: finishes that night.

1938
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:23,280
Speaker 3: So we got out of.

1939
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Speaker 7: The arena and done the press conference by nine o'clock,

1940
01:34:27,439 --> 01:34:30,559
Speaker 7: which never happens, and I was like, oh my god,

1941
01:34:30,640 --> 01:34:33,720
Speaker 7: I can actually get a few ers of sleep before we.

1942
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:35,920
Speaker 3: Have to hop on the shuttle and go back to

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01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:36,599
Speaker 3: the airport.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: So, Spencer Miller with us here on the Anakin Floran podcast.

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Speaker 1: I have to ask you about Keifer Sutherland and your

1947
01:34:43,960 --> 01:34:47,200
Speaker 1: experience on Designated Survivor. I would encourage people to check

1948
01:34:47,240 --> 01:34:49,840
Speaker 1: it out if you have not seen Spencer's appearance. But

1949
01:34:50,479 --> 01:34:53,680
Speaker 1: you talk about leaving an impression, and I don't know

1950
01:34:53,720 --> 01:34:57,000
Speaker 1: if you were always comedically inclined, but certainly the jumping

1951
01:34:57,000 --> 01:34:59,840
Speaker 1: off point to our relationship was like you just making

1952
01:34:59,880 --> 01:35:03,720
Speaker 1: me laugh out loud within thirty seconds of me meeting you,

1953
01:35:03,840 --> 01:35:08,000
Speaker 1: not unlike the way you probably had our audience grasped

1954
01:35:08,040 --> 01:35:10,000
Speaker 1: by just the way you sort of enter a room

1955
01:35:10,080 --> 01:35:15,280
Speaker 1: with a presence. So how did that acting opportunity come about?

1956
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:18,360
Speaker 1: And how much credit do you deserve as an individual

1957
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:20,720
Speaker 1: for your ability with your personality and your disposition to

1958
01:35:20,720 --> 01:35:21,599
Speaker 1: break down those stores.

1959
01:35:24,200 --> 01:35:28,520
Speaker 7: I've always been in the entertainment business with my motivational

1960
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:31,599
Speaker 7: speaking and been fortunate enough to work with some great people.

1961
01:35:32,520 --> 01:35:34,880
Speaker 7: You know, we can go down the list, but I

1962
01:35:34,920 --> 01:35:38,040
Speaker 7: don't really want to pump my own tires, even though

1963
01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:39,840
Speaker 7: out of the three of us right now, I'm the

1964
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:42,080
Speaker 7: only one that can pump tires because I'm always in

1965
01:35:42,120 --> 01:35:42,479
Speaker 7: a chair.

1966
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:43,599
Speaker 3: But I digress.

1967
01:35:45,360 --> 01:35:48,800
Speaker 1: But we get some Toyot tires on your wheelchair? Is

1968
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:49,400
Speaker 1: that possible?

1969
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:54,400
Speaker 7: Yes, we can get some Toio tires on my But

1970
01:35:55,240 --> 01:35:59,400
Speaker 7: the way that the designated survivor thing happened was when

1971
01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:04,840
Speaker 7: Kist started doing twenty four. He said to me, He's like,

1972
01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:08,920
Speaker 7: if I ever do a show in Toronto, I want

1973
01:36:08,960 --> 01:36:12,120
Speaker 7: you to be a fucking part of it, to which

1974
01:36:12,200 --> 01:36:16,000
Speaker 7: I said, yeah, yeah, whatever, and I just brushed it off.

1975
01:36:16,600 --> 01:36:17,400
Speaker 3: And then I.

1976
01:36:17,400 --> 01:36:23,240
Speaker 7: Get a call in twenty seventeen early saying, Hey, Spence,

1977
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:27,519
Speaker 7: I'm fucking coming to Toronto doing a new political thriller

1978
01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:32,640
Speaker 7: kind of like twenty four meets the West Wing, and

1979
01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:34,759
Speaker 7: I want you to be a part of it, and

1980
01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:42,560
Speaker 7: I want you to come and meet with the showrunner

1981
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:46,719
Speaker 7: of the show and the person who created the show,

1982
01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:51,639
Speaker 7: David Gougenheim. And so we sat down and we talked

1983
01:36:51,680 --> 01:36:55,880
Speaker 7: about what my character would be over beer and chicken wings,

1984
01:36:56,320 --> 01:36:59,960
Speaker 7: and three hours later I was part of the show.

1985
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:04,800
Speaker 1: Well that's amazing. So you talk to George San Pierre,

1986
01:37:04,840 --> 01:37:09,160
Speaker 1: you talked to Dana White, what's the most memorable guest

1987
01:37:09,320 --> 01:37:12,519
Speaker 1: or interview that you've ever done on your podcast? Where

1988
01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:15,479
Speaker 1: you may be like, hang, hang up the headset or

1989
01:37:15,560 --> 01:37:17,760
Speaker 1: put down the headset, and you're just like, man, you

1990
01:37:17,800 --> 01:37:19,360
Speaker 1: know that one's going to be hard to talk.

1991
01:37:21,640 --> 01:37:24,320
Speaker 7: This may be an obscure one for your audience. But

1992
01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:27,479
Speaker 7: there's a gentleman by the name of Sean Foley who

1993
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:31,480
Speaker 7: is also a fellow Canadian. He is a very successful

1994
01:37:31,520 --> 01:37:34,280
Speaker 7: swing coach used to be Tiger Woods as swing coach

1995
01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:37,920
Speaker 7: at one time and worked with Justin Rose and a

1996
01:37:37,960 --> 01:37:41,400
Speaker 7: whole bunch of PGA golfers right now. And the reason

1997
01:37:41,439 --> 01:37:44,920
Speaker 7: why that one is most memorable for me is because

1998
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:47,920
Speaker 7: he's the one who taught me how to initially golf

1999
01:37:48,280 --> 01:37:50,519
Speaker 7: from my wheelchair while he was still here in the

2000
01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:56,360
Speaker 7: Toronto area, and he said to me that because of

2001
01:37:56,400 --> 01:37:59,200
Speaker 7: his interactions with me and hanging out with me and

2002
01:37:59,240 --> 01:38:02,200
Speaker 7: his friendship with me, he was able to come to

2003
01:38:02,280 --> 01:38:05,559
Speaker 7: grips with the fact that his son might have been

2004
01:38:05,600 --> 01:38:09,439
Speaker 7: born with cerebral palsy due to a defect that was happening,

2005
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:13,439
Speaker 7: and they had to come up with a decision in

2006
01:38:13,479 --> 01:38:16,160
Speaker 7: a very short period of time as to whether or

2007
01:38:16,200 --> 01:38:18,519
Speaker 7: not to keep the baby or get rid of the baby.

2008
01:38:18,720 --> 01:38:22,599
Speaker 7: They ultimately kept the baby because of his interactions with

2009
01:38:22,680 --> 01:38:27,439
Speaker 7: me and seeing that I could do everything that I do,

2010
01:38:28,160 --> 01:38:32,360
Speaker 7: and luckily his kid was able to overcome that and

2011
01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:37,000
Speaker 7: he's perfectly fine now and he's a teenager. But that one,

2012
01:38:37,040 --> 01:38:39,120
Speaker 7: for me has always stuck out to me because he

2013
01:38:39,200 --> 01:38:43,040
Speaker 7: never told me that story until he was on the

2014
01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:47,280
Speaker 7: podcast and he started literally crying on the podcast while

2015
01:38:47,320 --> 01:38:50,400
Speaker 7: telling me, And it has always stuck with me because

2016
01:38:50,439 --> 01:38:50,640
Speaker 7: of that.

2017
01:38:51,960 --> 01:38:55,360
Speaker 1: Wow, that's incredible. On Instagram you can find him at

2018
01:38:55,479 --> 01:38:58,720
Speaker 1: the Spencer Miller And you know, there's nothing worse for me,

2019
01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:01,280
Speaker 1: Kenfull than when I finished my pay per view open copy.

2020
01:39:01,320 --> 01:39:03,160
Speaker 1: And sometimes I'll put it out there to the masses

2021
01:39:03,200 --> 01:39:05,799
Speaker 1: on Instagram and then Spencer will text me something better

2022
01:39:06,240 --> 01:39:09,280
Speaker 1: as actually happened I think in UFC two ninety five,

2023
01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:12,720
Speaker 1: and I'm already too deep into the memorization part of

2024
01:39:12,720 --> 01:39:16,200
Speaker 1: it to circle back. But Spence, you know, keep those

2025
01:39:16,240 --> 01:39:19,400
Speaker 1: texts coming. I will see you in Toronto in January.

2026
01:39:19,400 --> 01:39:22,519
Speaker 1: We appreciate your supporting the show in the UFC and Dude,

2027
01:39:22,600 --> 01:39:24,760
Speaker 1: keep making us laugh, keep being the fucking soldier and

2028
01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:25,559
Speaker 1: good egg that you are.

2029
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:29,639
Speaker 7: Brother, absolutely and can Ken. This is the least amount

2030
01:39:29,720 --> 01:39:33,559
Speaker 7: of time ever in all of our interactions that you've talked.

2031
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:37,440
Speaker 7: So next time I'm on the show, actually step actually,

2032
01:39:37,640 --> 01:39:40,519
Speaker 7: actually step up a little bit because I can't step

2033
01:39:40,600 --> 01:39:44,080
Speaker 7: anywhere and actually talk a little bit. Shelly, you're giving

2034
01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:47,559
Speaker 7: Della Groddi way too much credit here with his Doucci

2035
01:39:47,680 --> 01:39:49,960
Speaker 7: bags and his Louis Baton bags here, you.

2036
01:39:49,960 --> 01:39:54,080
Speaker 4: Know, oh man, that is gold. Dude, great to see

2037
01:39:54,080 --> 01:39:54,639
Speaker 4: you man.

2038
01:39:55,040 --> 01:39:58,880
Speaker 1: Hey, thank You's week eleven. Handicap on the board, Go

2039
01:39:58,920 --> 01:40:01,320
Speaker 1: Blue Jays, Go Beefs. We'll talk to you soon.

2040
01:40:01,400 --> 01:40:04,920
Speaker 7: Broke, you say handicap on the board when I'm on

2041
01:40:04,960 --> 01:40:08,040
Speaker 7: the show, just putting it out there.

2042
01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:11,200
Speaker 1: Urb choice could have been a little better, Hey, cap

2043
01:40:11,200 --> 01:40:14,040
Speaker 1: in the board betting the board? Are you betting today?

2044
01:40:14,360 --> 01:40:15,320
Speaker 1: Betting today?

2045
01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:16,280
Speaker 3: Yes, I am.

2046
01:40:16,560 --> 01:40:19,400
Speaker 7: And just as my last point because I know that

2047
01:40:19,479 --> 01:40:21,400
Speaker 7: you wanted to talk to me about this but we

2048
01:40:21,439 --> 01:40:25,640
Speaker 7: didn't get to it. I believe that the Niners obviously

2049
01:40:25,720 --> 01:40:28,240
Speaker 7: hit their bump in the road. They were able to

2050
01:40:28,280 --> 01:40:31,400
Speaker 7: get back on track last week, and I believe that

2051
01:40:31,400 --> 01:40:31,920
Speaker 7: that is.

2052
01:40:31,840 --> 01:40:33,160
Speaker 3: Going to continue.

2053
01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:36,240
Speaker 7: I also think that it is unfair a little bit

2054
01:40:37,080 --> 01:40:41,000
Speaker 7: that Brock Purdy got ultimately thrown under the bus as

2055
01:40:41,040 --> 01:40:45,080
Speaker 7: heavily as he did during that three game losing streak,

2056
01:40:45,200 --> 01:40:48,840
Speaker 7: because you know that something like that was inevitably going

2057
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:51,720
Speaker 7: to happen for him. So I believe that they are

2058
01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:55,799
Speaker 7: back on the right track. Their defense is absolutely stacked,

2059
01:40:55,920 --> 01:41:01,000
Speaker 7: especially matching up the old Ohio State inmates and Chase

2060
01:41:01,040 --> 01:41:03,479
Speaker 7: Young and Nick Bosa and have looked out from my

2061
01:41:03,600 --> 01:41:07,200
Speaker 7: Niners at super Bowl fifty eight. In just a couple

2062
01:41:07,280 --> 01:41:08,000
Speaker 7: months here.

2063
01:41:09,320 --> 01:41:11,439
Speaker 1: Dude, I had San Francisco forty nine Ers in my

2064
01:41:11,520 --> 01:41:13,320
Speaker 1: notes to ask you about the Niners, but I think

2065
01:41:13,320 --> 01:41:15,800
Speaker 1: it was so distracted by the aesthetic with your cool

2066
01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:20,080
Speaker 1: blue shades fucking gangster look on a Sunday morning that

2067
01:41:19,720 --> 01:41:21,519
Speaker 1: I that I didn't get to it. But I think

2068
01:41:21,560 --> 01:41:24,320
Speaker 1: your your analysis is spot on as usual, and we'll

2069
01:41:24,360 --> 01:41:26,479
Speaker 1: see if the forty nine Ers make me rip up

2070
01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:29,320
Speaker 1: my Philadelphia Eagles to win the NFC ticket. Hey, Spencer,

2071
01:41:29,320 --> 01:41:31,000
Speaker 1: we appreciate the time, brother. I will see you in

2072
01:41:31,080 --> 01:41:33,639
Speaker 1: a actually like two months from tomorrow. Brother, but thanks

2073
01:41:33,680 --> 01:41:34,120
Speaker 1: for coming on.

2074
01:41:34,920 --> 01:41:37,800
Speaker 3: Absolutely always pleasure. Looking forward to doing it again soon.

2075
01:41:38,120 --> 01:41:41,080
Speaker 7: And Ken Flow, We're going to keep in touch so

2076
01:41:41,120 --> 01:41:44,679
Speaker 7: I can continue to bust your balls from Afar as well.

2077
01:41:44,680 --> 01:41:45,120
Speaker 3: My friend.

2078
01:41:45,320 --> 01:41:47,080
Speaker 1: Please do Yeah, I'm going to give you his number.

2079
01:41:47,080 --> 01:41:50,479
Speaker 1: It's five oh eight. I'll text you that later. Thanks Ben,

2080
01:41:51,360 --> 01:41:54,360
Speaker 1: good bye. There he is Spencer Miller with us here

2081
01:41:54,400 --> 01:41:57,360
Speaker 1: on the Anakin Florian podcast. Always just right there. I mean,

2082
01:41:57,400 --> 01:42:01,360
Speaker 1: this dude will call me and within ten seconds just

2083
01:42:01,439 --> 01:42:04,920
Speaker 1: takes a shot and I'm crying right, you know, because

2084
01:42:04,920 --> 01:42:06,720
Speaker 1: I take a lot of shots, right. I love when

2085
01:42:06,760 --> 01:42:09,960
Speaker 1: people take shots in me. So this last thing sort

2086
01:42:09,960 --> 01:42:11,880
Speaker 1: of in closing today is a little bit self serving,

2087
01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:14,519
Speaker 1: but for the first time in thirteen years of doing this,

2088
01:42:15,040 --> 01:42:17,360
Speaker 1: after a UFC champion won a fight, he sent me

2089
01:42:17,680 --> 01:42:20,439
Speaker 1: I got a private message from somebody who won a championship. Now,

2090
01:42:20,439 --> 01:42:22,320
Speaker 1: I have had a lot of communication with fighters over

2091
01:42:22,360 --> 01:42:24,439
Speaker 1: the years, but I can never call an instance where

2092
01:42:24,479 --> 01:42:27,360
Speaker 1: I get a message from somebody who won a championship.

2093
01:42:27,400 --> 01:42:30,840
Speaker 1: So this is Tom Aspinall on Wednesday after the pay

2094
01:42:30,920 --> 01:42:32,920
Speaker 1: per view, Hey, John, just want to say thanks for

2095
01:42:32,960 --> 01:42:34,960
Speaker 1: the great work this weekend and representing US fighters in

2096
01:42:35,000 --> 01:42:37,559
Speaker 1: the correct light. Your commentary work and reaction to my

2097
01:42:37,640 --> 01:42:40,519
Speaker 1: win was simply incredible. Keep doing your thing, brother speaks soon.

2098
01:42:40,920 --> 01:42:44,240
Speaker 1: Now that text for me, I'm only sharing it with

2099
01:42:44,240 --> 01:42:47,439
Speaker 1: the Anaconflorman podcast audience because candidly it's a smaller audience

2100
01:42:47,479 --> 01:42:49,559
Speaker 1: than on Instagram, are out there on social media. I'm

2101
01:42:49,600 --> 01:42:52,040
Speaker 1: sharing it here, Kenny, because like, that's all I'm trying

2102
01:42:52,080 --> 01:42:54,160
Speaker 1: to do. Right, Like that's worth more than one hundred

2103
01:42:54,200 --> 01:42:57,200
Speaker 1: thousand dollars for me. Right is that a champion goes home,

2104
01:42:57,560 --> 01:42:59,680
Speaker 1: and even that champion who maybe didn't like that, I

2105
01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:02,720
Speaker 1: can coined him the honey badger or had gotten to

2106
01:43:02,720 --> 01:43:05,720
Speaker 1: that point, right, like that overall when he's looking back

2107
01:43:05,720 --> 01:43:07,960
Speaker 1: at the totality of that week, that the commentators are

2108
01:43:07,960 --> 01:43:10,040
Speaker 1: trying to put him forward in the best possible light.

2109
01:43:10,080 --> 01:43:12,640
Speaker 1: And I'd imagine my broadcast partner's got a similar message, right,

2110
01:43:12,640 --> 01:43:15,120
Speaker 1: But like that is all we're trying to do. And

2111
01:43:15,680 --> 01:43:18,560
Speaker 1: you know, because we're so embedded, we were able to

2112
01:43:18,600 --> 01:43:20,600
Speaker 1: get Andy Aspinall's name in the fight, even though the

2113
01:43:20,640 --> 01:43:22,680
Speaker 1: fight was only sixty nine seconds, because we knew that

2114
01:43:22,760 --> 01:43:24,360
Speaker 1: was the rub and that was the most important thing

2115
01:43:24,400 --> 01:43:26,479
Speaker 1: for Tom. And I think maybe he's sending that message

2116
01:43:26,479 --> 01:43:29,080
Speaker 1: because we were able to, you know, put some shine

2117
01:43:29,120 --> 01:43:30,920
Speaker 1: on his father. But I just wanted to thank Tom

2118
01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:33,000
Speaker 1: for that publicly because for me, Kenny, it's like there's

2119
01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:36,200
Speaker 1: nothing like that, right, Like we're trying so hard, almost

2120
01:43:36,200 --> 01:43:38,759
Speaker 1: too hard. Right, You're in the same boat to provide

2121
01:43:38,800 --> 01:43:41,920
Speaker 1: the great soundtrack for these historical moments of their lives,

2122
01:43:41,920 --> 01:43:44,959
Speaker 1: and it doesn't always go as planned, it never goes perfectly.

2123
01:43:45,040 --> 01:43:47,760
Speaker 1: But I don't know, Man, getting that message like was

2124
01:43:47,800 --> 01:43:48,920
Speaker 1: super overwhelming for me.

2125
01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:51,120
Speaker 4: That's also no question about it, dude. I Mean, these

2126
01:43:51,200 --> 01:43:53,680
Speaker 4: guys work so hard, These are the the most some

2127
01:43:53,680 --> 01:43:56,840
Speaker 4: of the most important moments of their life and to

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Speaker 4: get that level of feedback and to feel, you know,

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Speaker 4: of information and that background, that context. All that stuff

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Speaker 4: is so important, dude. But yeah, man, that's that's why

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Speaker 4: you're the best.

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Speaker 1: That's why Tommy Aspinall's a world champion because he's a

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Speaker 1: total package. All right, that's going to do it for

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Speaker 1: this four hundred and fiftieth edition of the Anakin Florian Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget to check out ken Flow PFL live on

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Speaker 1: ESPN plus pay per view, that is this Friday night,

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Speaker 1: November twenty fourth, from The Anthem in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: Kenny doesn't like photos though, so I don't know how

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Speaker 1: you guys want to navigate that. Maybe like the Aussies

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Speaker 1: are always great, They just want to shake your hand.

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Speaker 1: They don't even necessarily want a photo. Sony doesn't like photos.

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Speaker 1: But if you stay here's an Anakin Florian podcast. No

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Speaker 1: he does. Shohn O'Connell hates photos, yes, but no the photo.

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Speaker 1: Jenet Kenflow wants photos at the PFL broadcast and if

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Speaker 1: you do drop an anakinm floran podcast on Him The

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Speaker 1: Quickest Way to His Heart. Thanks to Derek Brunts and

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Speaker 1: thanks to Spencer Miller, Thanks to Ray Longo, Thanks to

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Speaker 1: our executive producer Cody Marrow, Associate producer Dixie Chan, Technical

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Speaker 1: director Slash Production Assistant Will Berger. With that for camp Plum,

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Speaker 1: John Adak, we'll talk to you next week. Happy Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 1: Until then, be well, be healthy, you'll.

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Speaker 5: I'm a planned this shit.

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