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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace? Did he wise it's not fair?

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Speaker 1: Claiming the sex attack and sex trafficking charges against him

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Speaker 1: Will his case be dropped next? I'm Nancy Grace, this

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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: In a shocking twist, a p Diddy and jay Z

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Speaker 2: accuser drops a bombshell lawsuit after accusing the infamous rappers

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Speaker 1: Is that the beginning of the Domino trail falling? A

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Speaker 1: main charge against jay Z has just been dropped with

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Speaker 1: prejudiced but first in a new defense, Shawn Combs aka

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Speaker 1: A Diddy aka Puff Daddy aka Puff aka Puffy aka

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Speaker 1: love It Goes On and On is claiming he is

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Speaker 1: the victim, not all the women that are claiming he

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Speaker 1: raped them and video them being raped in his Freak

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Speaker 1: Cough videos. But now he is the victim according to him.

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Speaker 1: Sean Combs claiming that he is being targeted, that he

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Speaker 1: is being singled out by a racist statute. Listen.

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Speaker 3: Comb's attorneys argue that the statute has only been used

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Speaker 3: to prosecute people of color, writing that the law has

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Speaker 3: a long and troubling history as a statute with racist origins,

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Speaker 3: used to target black men and supposedly protect white women

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Speaker 3: from them, and quote what was racist in its inception

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Speaker 3: has often been racist.

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Speaker 1: In its operation.

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Speaker 3: They further claim that using escorts is widely accepted in

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Speaker 3: America culture today and Combs is being prosecuted for conduct

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Speaker 1: Has hey lost his mind to doctor Bethany Marshall joining

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Speaker 1: us for now, psychoanalyst joining us out of the LA jurisdiction,

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Speaker 1: author of a deal breaker and you can see her

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Speaker 1: now on Peacock. Wait, this is completely bass Ackwards. Sean

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Speaker 1: Combs is claiming he's the victim of who oh the government,

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Speaker 1: the big bad government. Explain, you know, Nancy, haven't you

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Speaker 1: taught your children.

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Speaker 4: Since the time they were infants toddlers to take responsibility

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Speaker 4: when they do something wrong, they hit their sister.

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Speaker 1: They have to say I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: It's such a basic part of being human and being

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Speaker 4: in society and being connected and engaged is that when

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Speaker 4: we do something to hurt other people, we talk to it,

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Speaker 4: we acknowledge it. He is now blaming the victims, blaming

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Speaker 4: the government, blaming everybody else, and this actually makes him

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Speaker 4: look like more of a predator. I don't think this

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Speaker 4: is going to play well in court, Nancy. These jurors

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Speaker 4: are going to want to know that he has some remars.

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Speaker 4: Otherwise they're not going to let him out of prison ever, ever, ever,

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Speaker 1: Okay, you know this is reminding me of doctor Bethany.

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Speaker 1: Is reminding me of a guy that you and I

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Speaker 1: have investigated and covered. His name is Stefan Stearns. He

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Speaker 1: is the boyfriend of a mom whose daughter just turned thirteen,

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Speaker 1: and he, according to prosecutors, has been full on raping

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Speaker 1: her for years in the mother's home. You know what

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Speaker 1: his defense is, she started it. The nine year old

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Speaker 1: girls started it. I mean, doctor Bethany Marshall. Instead of

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Speaker 1: attacking the claims against him, he's claiming that he is

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Speaker 1: the victim. Sean Combs is claiming he is the victim

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Speaker 1: of a racist statute. That statute is to stop sex trafficking.

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Speaker 1: So how does he turn into the victim, Doctor Bethany.

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Speaker 4: You know, it shows lack of respect for the entire

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Speaker 4: judicial system. It shows a lack of perspective and objectivity

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Speaker 4: about how he's coming across to other people in attacking

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Speaker 4: our government. He's being very unsympathetic to help other people

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Speaker 4: see him. And you know, Nancy, this idea of she

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Speaker 4: made me do it? Predators do this. They relegate blame

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Speaker 4: is the especially pedophiles. It's their predator playbooks. She made

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Speaker 4: me do it, He made me do it. That little

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Speaker 4: girl was so attractive. I just had to take her

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Speaker 4: clothes off and rape her. That woman was drunk at

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Speaker 4: my party and she was standing there naked with all

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Speaker 4: the one who installed the mirrors.

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Speaker 1: To Rob Sheeter joining Me, host of Naughty but Nice

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Speaker 1: podcasts and former publicist for Sean Comes, He's the author

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Speaker 1: of Before Word Answer, Rob, this is a pr disaster

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Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned. Of course, I look at

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Speaker 1: You worked for him. Remember you told me he ordered

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree with you. This is a ridiculous response. However,

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Speaker 5: it's not a surprising response at least to me having

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Speaker 5: center of everything, and he's done that once again here

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Speaker 1: To throw everything at the wall.

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Speaker 5: So I predict if this doesn't stick, we'll hear more

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Speaker 5: crazy explanations. But what we won't hear is that he

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Speaker 5: gone away with this, Nancy, for a really long time.

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Speaker 5: And you know he's done things before when I worked

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Speaker 5: done it for over twenty years and so far, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: Joining me right now. In addition to Rob Shooter and

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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall, lin Shaw is joining us, founder and

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Speaker 1: executive director of Lynn's Warriors, a nonprofit they do this

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Speaker 1: for free, dedicated to eradicating sex trafficking. Lynn thank you

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Speaker 1: for being with us. What he is relying on and

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Speaker 1: claiming that he is being singled out that he is

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Speaker 1: the victim, is the so called Man Act. I remember

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Speaker 1: recent years, say the last twenty years, it has been used frequently.

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Speaker 1: And what the Man is about is to stop the

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Speaker 1: He is claiming Linshaw, that he is the victim, that

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Speaker 1: the law is racist.

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Speaker 6: Nancy, Nancy, let me tell you right now, I am

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Speaker 6: standing in Brooklyn, New York, down the street from the

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Speaker 6: the way this case will stick. And I have always

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Speaker 6: I still maintain we're not covering that enough, We're not

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Speaker 6: Covered is unbelievable as far as racist with that nonsense,

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Speaker 6: And Rob said it, he's very good. It's spinning and

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Speaker 6: But you know what, we're covering the reality, and it's

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Speaker 1: All right. You know what, I'm glad you brought him

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Speaker 1: up because Combs is arguing he's being singled out because

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Speaker 1: There have been plenty of white guys and white women

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Speaker 1: prosecuted under the Man Act. Let me just start with

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Speaker 1: a real legal term, jackass Keith Rnier.

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Speaker 7: In their latest filing Combs Defense Rights. There has never

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Speaker 7: been a similar rico prosecution. No white person has ever

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Speaker 7: been the target of a remotely similar case. However, Keith Rnier,

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Speaker 7: the founder of personal development club Nexium that really served

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Speaker 7: convicted of both sex trafficking and racketeering about six years ago.

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Speaker 7: Gilaine Maxwell was also found guilty of violating the Man Act.

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Speaker 1: Even more recently, when I said that Keith Renier was

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Speaker 8: Listen, I think doing the actual brand in an orderly passion,

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Speaker 8: each of the seven strokes having a certain ritualization. Each

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Speaker 8: branded should be completely nude. It also, of course, videoing

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Speaker 8: should say, please brand me. It would be an honor

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Speaker 1: Okay, Anthony, help me. Please. Did you hear Keith Rnier,

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Speaker 1: the white guy that was prosecuted for sex trafficking. Did

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Speaker 4: Nancy, I don't even know where to begin with that.

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Speaker 4: First of all, he's ritualizing a perversion, right, this is

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Speaker 4: a perversion wanting to brand women. He you know, please

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Speaker 4: please will you brand me? That statement does do the

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Speaker 4: two things. One is, it's a legal defense right if

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Speaker 4: he says that, if they say he did it against

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Speaker 4: their will. But secondly, it makes him feel so superior

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Speaker 1: Nancy.

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Speaker 4: That sounds like p Diddy. That sounds like that big

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Speaker 1: Also shows two purposes.

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Speaker 4: Sexual excitement and putting the victims in humiliating situations so

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Speaker 1: Know, to Bethany, I really don't know how you help

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Speaker 1: patience if you can't speak plainly when you say see

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Speaker 1: and you do the little quoties. I've been guilty of that.

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Speaker 1: But when you say see from every position, you mean

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Speaker 1: close up shots of the ladies vaginas and anuses as

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Speaker 1: they're being raped. I mean I had to learn that

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Speaker 1: what they said. I got over it because it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: What matters is what happened to these victims. And when

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Speaker 1: I hear Keith Ranier talking about what he did, You're right,

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Speaker 1: the comparisons to what Sean Comes allegedly did to his

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Speaker 1: victims is exactly correct. The videoing them, the having them

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Speaker 1: in a submissive position, an embarrassing position, making them humiliated,

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Speaker 1: making them humiliate themselves, according to Rainier, But he was

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Speaker 1: prosecuted under the same statute that Combs is now whining

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Speaker 9: With these convictions. Renier, he stands, is convicted of racketeering,

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Speaker 1: Over the last seven weeks.

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Speaker 9: This trial has revealed that Renieri, who portrayed himself as

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Speaker 10: You know, Nancy, They always, always, always very cleverly, these exploiters,

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Speaker 2: Sean Puffy Combs asked for the court to dismiss federal

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Speaker 11: It isn't fair, right, especially when it's a statement that's

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Speaker 4: This is the type of thing that is not going to.

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Speaker 1: Rob Shooter, and then I've got a few questions for

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Speaker 1: you about your former client. Sean comes in. Many many defendants,

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Speaker 1: I'm referring specifically to Julaine Maxwell, Rob Shooter. Why does

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Speaker 1: did he think he's so special? All of these people,

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Speaker 1: So is this more of his delusions of grandeur that

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Speaker 5: I think it's a little bit of both here, Nancy.

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Speaker 5: I think the delusions of grandeur, which what we would

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Speaker 5: He thinks he's special. He always has thought he's special.

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Speaker 5: And it's really important for us to remind everybody that

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Speaker 5: this statue has been applied to black, white male female

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Speaker 5: don't forget Nancy. He has a really loud microphone. He's

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Speaker 5: to It's our job to make sure we put that

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Speaker 1: What is an example, Rob Shooter of his delusions of

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Speaker 1: grandeur other than ordering cheesecake at three am and getting it?

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Speaker 1: I mean, somebody to wake up hear his request, go out,

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Speaker 5: Delusions of grandeur. Many many other examples I have too

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Speaker 5: with him. He would often turn up at fashion shows

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Speaker 5: just sit down on the front row and get this Nancy.

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Speaker 5: He wasn't kicked act. He got away with it. And

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Speaker 5: so the more you get away with the more you

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Speaker 1: As it relates to a white female prosecuted under the

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Speaker 13: Residency in New York City from the uper East Side, as.

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Speaker 8: Well as how.

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Speaker 12: And Sandy Day, some of the ass would us.

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Speaker 11: All into the place Maxwell's residents in London?

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Speaker 1: Did you hear that Bill Wolfe joining me forward to

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Speaker 1: Task Force and author of Eradicating Human Trafficking, A Transformative

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Speaker 1: Approach to Collective Impact. Did you hear all the locations

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Speaker 14: Same thing here, Yeah, I can tell you, Nancy, from

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Speaker 14: up a lot of criminals for trafficking white, black male female.

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Speaker 14: It really doesn't matter. This is a crime that does

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Speaker 14: not discriminate. And you know, I have to tell you,

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Speaker 14: you know, p Didty's not special. These are all excuses

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Speaker 14: These are all the same things that we hear over

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Speaker 14: to tell you, but he's not special in these claims.

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Speaker 14: It's what they all say, and it's all nonsense.

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Speaker 1: Rob Shooter, you worked for him, you're his pr guru.

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Speaker 1: You made him think he's special.

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't put that entirely on me, Nancy. I did

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Speaker 5: until he is held accountable, he's not going to stop.

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Speaker 5: And for twenty thirty years, he's been at the top

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Speaker 5: That's how good he is.

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Speaker 1: You know what, You've got a point, Rob Shooter Sean

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Speaker 1: Diddy Combs is actually moving to have federal charges dismissed,

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Speaker 1: the Man Act is racist and targeting of all people.

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Speaker 2: Shawn Combs, the infamous rapper and disgrace music mobile, isn't

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Speaker 4: P did.

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Speaker 2: He claims racism, saying he is being prosecuted for conduct

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Speaker 1: That's right, Shawn Combs, You're the victim, not the dozens

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Speaker 1: it's all about you. Well, let me jog your memory,

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Speaker 5: I've been I haven't going to take a shower. You

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Speaker 10: I'm sorry yesterday was a kind of aggressive for I

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Speaker 5: Please, I swear I won't just let me.

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Speaker 5: And you'll never see me after this and get to that.

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Speaker 1: Is an audio tape of the media mogul Harvey Weinstain

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Speaker 1: They can't get away with something. It's going to be

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Speaker 1: subjected to a racist statute. But there have been many,

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Speaker 1: many white men and women prosecuted for sex trafficking and

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Speaker 1: rape under the Man Act. Now I want you to

438
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Speaker 1: hear more of Harvey Weinstein, the multi millionaire brought down

439
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Speaker 1: He's serving twenty three years behind bars for this. Listen.

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Speaker 1: If you embarrass me in this litter, no embarrassing you.

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Speaker 4: It's just that I don't feel comfortable.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you don't have a favor of meautiful peeze.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to do anything.

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Speaker 15: I swear my children please come in everything.

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Speaker 5: I'm a famous guy.

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Speaker 1: Very uncomfortable.

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Speaker 6: He is coming now and one minute and if you

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Speaker 6: want to.

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Speaker 17: Leave, when the guy comes in my back, hey, you

450
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Speaker 17: touch my priez please, I'm.

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Speaker 6: Sorry, just right?

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Speaker 5: Are you that?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

454
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Speaker 5: I will never do another thing for five minutes.

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Speaker 10: Don't move your friendship with me for five minutes.

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Speaker 1: I know, thanks so much for you.

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Speaker 15: Please, you're making a big scene here family.

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Speaker 8: But I want to know.

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Speaker 1: Why soon. You don't want her to make a big scene,

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Speaker 1: then don't grope her breast. Just a suggestion. You can

461
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Speaker 1: think about that for the next twenty three years. And

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Speaker 1: of course it seems like Sean Combs, now being prosecuted

463
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Speaker 1: for six trafficking, took a page out of the book

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Speaker 1: of another famous star, Cosby Listen.

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Speaker 15: Years of allegations against Bill Cosby were dismissed and accusers

466
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Speaker 15: were ignored until twenty fourteen, when multiple allegations were made

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Speaker 15: against him. Accused by over sixty women, it was the

468
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Speaker 15: case of Andrea Constan to landed him in jail. Investigated

469
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Speaker 15: in two thousand and five, Andrew Constant claimed she had

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Speaker 15: become friends with Cosby in her position with the Temple

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Speaker 15: women's basketball program. One evening, after being out drinking with friends,

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Speaker 15: she went to Cosby's home in a suburb of Philadelphia,

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Speaker 15: and after complaining of stress, Cosby gave her three blue

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Speaker 15: pills to help her relax. The pills were Benadrill and

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Speaker 15: constant became semi conscious and unable to move to doctor.

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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall joining us. Same thing. You invite someone over

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Speaker 1: for a seemingly innocent get together. In Cosby's case, it

478
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: was always to help the person with their career, and

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Speaker 1: then they would wake up with their clothes all twisted up,

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Speaker 1: feeling like they've been hitting the head with their vagina herding.

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Speaker 1: Same thing with allegations against Sean Combs, who's now claiming

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Speaker 1: he is the victim. Same exact thing.

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Speaker 4: Dr Bethany Nancy is so fascinating to me as well

484
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Speaker 4: that it's the exact same offending pattern. It's like as

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Speaker 4: a part of these men's power and sexual fantasies, they

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Speaker 4: work out something that they think is fail proof. Find

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Speaker 4: a vulnerable woman, maybe someone underage, somebody who is through

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Speaker 4: by your celebrity. Put them in a compromising position so

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Speaker 4: they'll do whatever you want. They'll bend to your will,

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Speaker 4: or they won't even remember what's going on. Take of

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Speaker 4: the video so you can threaten them afterwards if they

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Speaker 4: want to go to the police and make them feel

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Speaker 4: like they are the perpetrator, or you have the video

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Speaker 4: for your own sexual pleasure.

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Speaker 1: For the rest of your life. It is so classic.

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Speaker 1: The similarities don't end there between Sean Combs now claiming

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Speaker 1: he's the victim to Cosby. As a matter of fact,

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Speaker 1: take a listen to our friend doctor Phil interviewing a

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Speaker 1: Cosby victim and see how similar the cases are. And

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Speaker 1: Cosby did not complain that he was the victim. He

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Speaker 1: never did say that, But listen.

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Speaker 13: And I went up to his hotel and I was alone.

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Speaker 13: He talked about, let me see what type of acting

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Speaker 13: skills you have. I want you to improv. And as

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Speaker 13: I tried to do improv, be fixed it drink and

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Speaker 13: then he brought it to me.

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Speaker 1: It was a brown.

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Speaker 13: Liquid and it looked like a shot. I told him

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Speaker 13: I didn't drink. He said that this was going to

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Speaker 13: relax me so that the lines would flow out a

511
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Speaker 13: lot easier.

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Speaker 1: So I did drink it.

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Speaker 13: He made a second drink and had me drink the

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Speaker 13: second drink as well.

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Speaker 1: From our friends at Doctor Phil. Crime Stories with Nancy

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Speaker 1: Gray in Bombshell News, a major claim against jay Z,

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Speaker 1: the cohort of Seawan Combs, has been dropped. Speculation rife

518
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Speaker 1: that the same thing will happen with Shawn Combs's case,

519
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Speaker 1: and this is what It's all about.

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Speaker 15: Another shocking revelation in the scandal is Sean Diddy Combe's case,

521
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Speaker 15: now officially including jay Z in a civil lawsuit Sean

522
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Speaker 15: Dittycombs and jay Z standing cues of raping a thirteen

523
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Speaker 15: year old girl at an after party for the two

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Speaker 15: thousand MTV Video Music Awards. She is invited to an

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Speaker 15: after party by a limo driver who claims to work

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Speaker 15: for Combs. He tells her she fit, what did he

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Speaker 15: was looking for?

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Speaker 18: Jane Doe is handed in a non disclosure agreement to

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Speaker 18: sign and a drink she believes is spiked. In minutes,

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Speaker 18: she hears Ditty utter words she can still hear to

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Speaker 18: this day. The plaintiff claims Combs approaches her with a

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Speaker 18: crazed look in his eyes, telling her you are ready

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Speaker 18: to party, words she can't forget. She accuses Combs of

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Speaker 18: throwing her toward a wall, causing her to fall. She

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Speaker 18: gets up and stumbles. Combs grabs her and throws her

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Speaker 18: on the bed, and jay Z holds her down and

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Speaker 18: faginally rapes her while Combs and another a list celebrity watch.

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Speaker 17: The after party was held at a residence in New

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Speaker 17: York City. The unnamed Jane Doe is seeking unspecified damages

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Speaker 17: and illegal bombshell.

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Speaker 1: That case has not only been dropped, it is dropped

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Speaker 1: dismissed with prejudice. Now what that means, let's go straight

543
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Speaker 1: out to Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, is that the alleged

544
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Speaker 1: victim in that case can never revive the charges. Now

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Speaker 1: we see cases dropped a lot, and the state is

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Speaker 1: given more time to build the case and then they

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Speaker 1: can renew those charges. That's when the case is dropped

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Speaker 1: without prejudice. This is a big deal in the legal

549
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Speaker 1: world that the case against jay Z has been dropped

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Speaker 1: with prejudice. He maintained from the get go he was

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Speaker 1: innocent of that charge. What does it mean dropped dismissed

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Speaker 1: with prejudice.

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Speaker 11: Well, what it basically means legally, Nancy, is that they're

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Speaker 11: going to be unable to revive those charges. But what

555
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Speaker 11: it doesn't necessarily mean is that that is going to

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Speaker 11: predict the future of any co defendants or any colleagues

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Speaker 11: or associates that are involved in the conduct. You know,

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Speaker 11: we see this all the time where you have somebody saying, well,

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Speaker 11: I was charged with something similar to my cohort and

560
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Speaker 11: crime here, and so his case has gone mine shouldn't

561
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Speaker 11: be as well. Oh, without prejudice, it doesn't mean that

562
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Speaker 11: at all. There's respective levels of liability and those decisions

563
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Speaker 11: are made all of the time when you have different

564
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Speaker 11: people involved in this type of conduct. But you are

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Speaker 11: correct that this is one charge that cannot be revived

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Speaker 11: by anybody due to the nature with which it was dismissed.

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Speaker 1: And after this case is dropped to jay Z's benefit,

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Speaker 1: speculation legal speculation that this could mark the beginning of

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Speaker 1: Sean Combs's case being dropped one charge by the next.

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Speaker 1: Jay Z speaks out.

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Speaker 17: Sean Diddy Combs also celebrated the withdrawal of the allegations,

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Speaker 17: his attorneys releasing a scathing statement slamming the accusers Attorney

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Speaker 17: Tony Buzby quote, Today's complete dismissal without a settlement by

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Speaker 17: the one eight hundred attorney is yet another confirmation that

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Speaker 17: these lawsuits are built on falsehoods, not facts. We have

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Speaker 17: seen case after case filed by individuals hiding behind anonymity,

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Speaker 17: pushed forward by an tourney more focused on media headlines

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Speaker 17: than legal merit. Colmbs is hopeful more of Busby's cases

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Speaker 17: will fall apart, claiming there is no truth to them.

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Speaker 1: Straight out to Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Sydney Sumner,

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Speaker 1: jay Z stating that this case, this claim against him,

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Speaker 1: cost him twenty million dollars and that it was time

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Speaker 1: timed to embarrass his daughter, Blue Ivy at the MUFASA premiere.

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Speaker 16: What can you tell me that's correct? And it's not

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Speaker 16: just twenty million dollars, it's twenty million dollars per year.

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Speaker 16: Jav says that his entertainment company Rock Nation lost a

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Speaker 16: contract with a sporting event company and lost several shows

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Speaker 16: over a period of years. That period is unspecified, but

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Speaker 16: he's saying twenty million dollars per year, and the lawsuit

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Speaker 16: was filed just a day before the premiere of his

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Speaker 16: daughter's movie. Blue Ivy voiced Kiara in the new movie

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Speaker 16: Mousafa the Lion came and there were whispers that Disney

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Speaker 16: execs didn't want jay Z walking the red carpet with her,

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Speaker 16: which was hugely embarrassing for him.

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Speaker 1: Straight back out to doctor Bethany Marshall joining us, a

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Speaker 1: psychoalyst and author of deal Breaker, Doctor Bethany I wonder

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Speaker 1: if it's going to work in reverse. Once Cassie Ventura

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Speaker 1: first spoke out, as we saw in Cosby, Angie Constant

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Speaker 1: was the first one to speak out, and then suddenly

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Speaker 1: there were criminal charges. Cassie Ventura spoke out and the

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Speaker 1: video of her being beaten in the hotel corridor by

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Speaker 1: Combs was leaked. Okay, then criminal charges immediately followed when

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Speaker 1: the Feds really had their noses rubbed in it, and

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Speaker 1: people said, hey, why aren't you doing anything? So I'm

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Speaker 1: wondering if it's going to work and reverse Doctor Bethany

606
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Speaker 1: that now we've got a victim's case, an alleged victim's case.

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Speaker 1: He declared his innocence from the get go. Jay Z,

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Speaker 1: did that case has been thrown out? Is it the

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Speaker 1: beginning of a domino effect? There's been a lot of

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Speaker 1: speculation about why the case was thrown out. Was the

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Speaker 1: victim paid off? How did this suddenly end with prejudice?

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Speaker 1: We don't know. We don't know why it was thrown out.

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Speaker 1: We just know that's a very strong statement from a

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Speaker 1: judge to dismiss the case with prejudice is at the

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Speaker 1: beginning of a domino effect.

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Speaker 4: You know, Nancy, there's something wrong with this story, and

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Speaker 4: I can't quite figure out what it is. Even if

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Speaker 4: the victim was wrong about her dad coming to pick

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Speaker 4: her up in some of the Stars she said she

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Speaker 4: saw at the party, that doesn't mean that nothing happened.

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Speaker 4: So why was this dropped with prejudice? I'm just a

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Speaker 4: little disturbed by that. Secondly, the fact that jay Z

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Speaker 4: comes out and attacks the attorney and attacks the victims, well,

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Speaker 4: that shows no empathy for the victims or or the

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Speaker 4: judicial system.

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Speaker 1: So right there, that is not a good look at all.

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Speaker 1: He's very self referential.

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Speaker 4: You know, weancy that twenty million dollars a year. That's

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Speaker 4: like a speeding ticket to him, like what a speeding

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Speaker 4: ticket would be for you and me. And the fact

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Speaker 4: that he's crying about that shows no reality about what

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Speaker 4: it's like for most people in the criminal justice system,

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Speaker 4: who have to scrape up money for attorneys, or who

634
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Speaker 4: lose their jobs or can't get a job after they're incarcerated.

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Speaker 4: Jayce's only worried about himself. I mean, it's just really

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Speaker 4: it seems not surprising to be given this that he's

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Speaker 4: such a good friend of P. Diddy's, because both men

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Speaker 4: seem to be lost in their own worlds, with no

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Speaker 4: idea what's going on in anybody else's life.

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Speaker 1: In the last hours, Sean comes wines he is the

641
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Speaker 1: victim that he is the target of a very unfair law,

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Speaker 1: Poor poor me, when I'm being singled out, You're not

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Speaker 1: Hey Diddy, You're the one that brought up r Kelly Listen.

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Speaker 12: I met him in nineteen ninety eight at the Home

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Speaker 12: Alone video shoot. I was at ten. His cousin told

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Speaker 12: me that he wanted to meet me. I was surprised

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Speaker 12: because I was only seventeen years old. He asked me

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Speaker 12: how old I was, and I told him I was seventeen.

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Speaker 12: His second question was will your mother let you come

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Speaker 12: to Chicago. I'm assuming he asked that question just to

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Speaker 12: see if I would agree to come. I said, yes,

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Speaker 12: my mother would allow me to come, but of course

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Speaker 12: I didn't ask her. He put me on the phone

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Speaker 12: with June Brown, which is his assistant to this very day.

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Speaker 12: June sent me the money. They actually told me to

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Speaker 12: get my own ticket and where to go and what

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Speaker 12: hotel to go to once I got there and everything,

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Speaker 12: and then they brought me to him once I got

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Speaker 12: to Chicago.

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Speaker 1: You are hearing r Kelly victim Lisa Van Allen describing

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Speaker 1: a sex attack on her by Kelly. You brought it up,

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Speaker 1: Sean comes not me. Listen.

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Speaker 12: He asked me to do a threesome with him, and

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Speaker 12: the way he got me to do it was he

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Speaker 12: told me it never had one before, and with me

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Speaker 12: thinking that his girlfriend, I felt, you know, kind of

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Speaker 12: obligated to do that for him if he had never

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Speaker 12: had one before, and he was a superstar, you know

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Speaker 12: what I mean. I'm like, girls are always throwing themselves

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Speaker 12: at him and he's never had one before, so I'll

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Speaker 12: just I'll go ahead and do it, you know. For

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Speaker 12: we had the threesome, and after we had it, it

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Speaker 12: just became just something that he always wanted to do.

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Speaker 12: Once we did it, more than once I realized it

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Speaker 12: was a lie, but I was already caught up into

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Speaker 12: it and I ended up living there with him. You know,

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Speaker 12: he was taking care of me. You know, I didn't

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Speaker 12: have my job anymore at the mall, you know, so

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Speaker 12: it kind of was like I really didn't have a choice.

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Speaker 1: This is Lisa Van Allen describing being coursed into underage

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Speaker 1: sex with Art Kelly, who's now doing a hard time.

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Speaker 1: But there's more.

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Speaker 12: I know she was fourteen because we actually had a

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Speaker 12: threesome with her at the time. He told me she

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Speaker 12: was sixteen years old. I later found out that she

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Speaker 12: was years younger than that. So because we were headed

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Speaker 12: to one of his video shoots, she told me that

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Speaker 12: she was going to be getting a PP Cruiser for

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Speaker 12: her sixteenth person. By me doing the math, you know

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Speaker 12: of how long ago the first encounter was. It was

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Speaker 12: two years prior and the tape that was on trial,

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Speaker 12: she looked exactly the same, had the same hairstyle, the same,

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Speaker 12: the same just everything. Everything was exactly the same, the same.

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Speaker 12: It was even in the same room.

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Speaker 1: So to you, Shawn Combs, your claiming that you are

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Speaker 1: being unfairly prosecuted under the Man Act, there are many

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Speaker 1: There have been many, many before you, and many many

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Speaker 1: will come after you prosecuted under the same statute. But

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Speaker 1: once again tonight, according to Shawn Combs, it's all about Diddy.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend,