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Speaker 1: Trying to get a nut, trying to I'm the ultimate squirrel,

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Speaker 1: it's a book you name it. Episode one seventy seven

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Speaker 1: he said, I love your band. We'd like to bring

431
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432
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Speaker 1: And of course had to tell him we're not a band.

433
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Speaker 1: I was just trying to get a pub deal. But

434
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Speaker 1: so as you're deciding where to go to school, the

435
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Speaker 1: the these these folks come to you and say, if

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Speaker 1: you'll go to school here, we'll pay We'll actually pay

437
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Speaker 1: you away your debt, we'll pay your carpet. Like they say, Hey,

438
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Speaker 1: we're gonna write you about three thousand dollars, but always yeah,

439
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Speaker 1: something like that, we're gonna pay if you come to

440
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Speaker 1: school here and perform with the band that was at school. Yeah. Um,

441
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,960
Speaker 1: so this this guy was known for hand picking the

442
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Speaker 1: best musicians at the school and putting together a recruiting ensemble.

443
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Speaker 1: So this this particular group of kids would be four

444
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Speaker 1: singers for musicians, a couple of other road crew and things,

445
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Speaker 1: and they we traveled on a on a tour bus,

446
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Speaker 1: and um, we went around the youth camps, convence youth conventions,

447
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Speaker 1: We went around the churches. We went around the camp

448
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Speaker 1: meetings and going in Pentecostal church. I know, you know

449
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Speaker 1: what a camp meeting is. But we would sing and

450
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Speaker 1: then we would talk about the school, and so we

451
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Speaker 1: try to recruit kids to come to the school. We'd

452
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Speaker 1: go overseas. I had the opportunity to see a whole

453
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Speaker 1: bunch of the world at a very young age playing

454
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Speaker 1: with that group. But as long as you played in

455
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Speaker 1: that group, you could keep your scholarship, you could keep

456
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Speaker 1: going to school. And that's kind of what my job was.

457
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Speaker 1: So a lot of these kids that would go home

458
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Speaker 1: for this summer that wasn't me. I toured my all

459
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Speaker 1: of my summers in school, and Neil and I were

460
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,680
Speaker 1: dear friends we became dear friends, and lo and behold

461
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Speaker 1: we ended up in East West together and here is

462
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Speaker 1: uh the number one song from East to West, Prince

463
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Speaker 1: of Peace. How long has mit you heard this? Oh?

464
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Speaker 1: My lord? Probably years? Probably now as I was doing

465
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Speaker 1: my research about East to West that I look like

466
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Speaker 1: they were more than one lead singer. We both we

467
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Speaker 1: both shared lead, both were doing the lead. What's that

468
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Speaker 1: sort of dynamic when you have dual lead singers. Well,

469
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 1: it worked well for us because I played bass and

470
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Speaker 1: keys too, and then there's no doubt Neil did the

471
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Speaker 1: lion's share of the lead vocals. And I would take

472
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Speaker 1: a verse here or there, and you know, and and

473
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 1: that sort of thing, and and maybe sing one song

474
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Speaker 1: on the albums I would sing. So it worked really

475
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,640
Speaker 1: really well because I cared, you know, I was such

476
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Speaker 1: a musician and muso head that I wanted to like

477
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Speaker 1: play everything I could and play a lot of it

478
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Speaker 1: on the record, And so I was content to let

479
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Speaker 1: Neil kind of shine and do his own thing. And

480
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Speaker 1: he was a fantastic singer. But it worked well for us.

481
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Speaker 1: Here is welcome to the next level from East to West.

482
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Speaker 1: When you can hear those Mr Mr and go West influences.

483
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Speaker 1: Can't you definitely cant here that era? Yeah, when you're

484
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Speaker 1: in a Christian man, do you get girls, Yes, but

485
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Speaker 1: they've got to be Christians. I was just kidding, but

486
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Speaker 1: at you know, like do you girls like are they

487
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 1: just are they like? Hey, band, guys, we'd like to

488
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: have fellowship. I mean, let's go to Bible stuff. Yeah,

489
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 1: like yeah, No, It's definitely not like it is in

490
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 1: country music or pop for sure, but there are girls

491
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Speaker 1: that are hanging around, you know, there are It's funny

492
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Speaker 1: that you know, you're you're dull lead singing and that's

493
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Speaker 1: such a funny question, and you're still going. You know,

494
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Speaker 1: I'm content with playing because I think that's a big

495
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Speaker 1: part of why again, from the outside looking again, why

496
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Speaker 1: Flats has been able to be so wonderful is that

497
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Speaker 1: you can sing, but you're actually okay not being the lead.

498
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Speaker 1: When I stand next to somebody that sings like Gary

499
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Speaker 1: does every night, it's like, what's the point? I love

500
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Speaker 1: to sing and I but I love singing harmony with

501
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Speaker 1: him because I feel like we have something unique and

502
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Speaker 1: he's you know, it's like anything he sings is better

503
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Speaker 1: ten times better than anything I would come up with

504
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 1: and that's okay. I think one of our drinks is

505
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 1: we realized what gifts and strengths we all three individually

506
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Speaker 1: bring to the table and we try to lean on

507
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Speaker 1: those with each other. And Uh, you're right. I am

508
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Speaker 1: okay because I get to sing beside one of the

509
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Speaker 1: greatest vocalists I've ever had the privilege of being around

510
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Speaker 1: every night. And that's a treat, you know, for me.

511
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Speaker 1: I would listen to the Google Dolls and they had

512
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Speaker 1: this bassis and these things like one or two cuts

513
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Speaker 1: every record gets so annoyed, like trying to be Johnny

514
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Speaker 1: Resume be the lead singer. You know, I'll get it's

515
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Speaker 1: rare that there's a band. Um. I'll give you a

516
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Speaker 1: couple examples, but they do different things. Lincoln Park had

517
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Speaker 1: two singers. They had uh, Mike Shinoda and they had

518
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Speaker 1: Um Chester Bennington. Chester would be the vocalist straight and

519
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Speaker 1: Shea would be like the rapping bear naked ladies that

520
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Speaker 1: Stephen and Ed and Stephen was the big singer and

521
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Speaker 1: Ed was kind of the rappi guy, which Steven got

522
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Speaker 1: kicked out of the band for the whole thing. Yeah,

523
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Speaker 1: did you guys ever talk about that in flats were like,

524
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Speaker 1: you would do you songs. I didn't want to be

525
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Speaker 1: that annoying guy. It's like, oh, okay, we know the

526
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Speaker 1: bass player sings too. But I will tell you when

527
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Speaker 1: we played the clubs, you know, we don't have to

528
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Speaker 1: play five hours a night. So we passed around the

529
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Speaker 1: lead vocals a lot more often back then, because it's

530
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Speaker 1: a lot to ask Gary to sing five hours a

531
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532
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Speaker 1: smoke in the bar rooms, and so we did sing

533
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Speaker 1: a lot more. But I saw the value of having

534
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Speaker 1: that lead vocalists established, and the sound that he had

535
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Speaker 1: was so identifiable and so great that it wouldn't it

536
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Speaker 1: just wasn't that important to me to have a song

537
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Speaker 1: on the record where I sang. Now, Joe Don and

538
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Speaker 1: I have sung verses here and there on some songs,

539
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Speaker 1: but I just don't think it's that important to either

540
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541
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542
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543
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00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,680
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Speaker 1: snow storm. He's stuck in a snowstorm. Yeah, and you can't.

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620
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Speaker 1: Can somebody go out and like do a few praise

623
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Speaker 1: worship songs and explain our situation? And I said, I

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Speaker 1: some songs. And you know, miraculously enough they stayed and

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Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy? I felt the same way. It was

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Speaker 1: like White, I have to one a fifteen minutes. They're like, yeah,

641
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: no time for rehearsal. But about a third of the

642
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: way through the show, I went, oh, like, yeah, this

643
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: is a big deal. But this is what I've been

644
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: waiting to do, Like I've worked to get here, and

645
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: my skill set is that too? Good on the prompter,

646
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: good to the people I know. I know Luke and

647
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: Lionel really well know Katie a little bit so I

648
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: can talk with them, and well, forget the prompter. You're

649
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: good on your feet too. More importantly, yes, you know

650
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: the prompter could go dead, and I'm quite sure you

651
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: could carry the whole show by yourself. And that people,

652
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: It amazes me too, because I've I've done a little

653
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: bit that I've done some acting, and I've done a

654
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: little bit of podcasting and hosting some things here and there,

655
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: and I co host the Tennessee Miss Tennessee pageant with

656
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: my wife for the past twelve years. And people don't

657
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: appreciate how hard it is to get up in front

658
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: of a crowd, especially live television, and have to stretch

659
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: and fill in blank spaces while people are screaming into

660
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: your ears what's coming next and what you need to

661
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: talk about next? And I have to say, even to

662
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: this day, you and I don't spend a lot of

663
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: time visiting with one another, but you're one of the

664
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: best set and I've ever seen, and and and and I.

665
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: You know the future is only gonna get brighter for you. Man,

666
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: you're scratching the surface getting older. I'm older than you.

667
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: You know, your wife, though I like your wife a

668
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: lot he's only been super kind to me. She's awesome.

669
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: So she hasn't come through yet with finding me a girlfriend.

670
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: Every time I see he's like, I want to set

671
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: you up. Never not once. Well, you know you need

672
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: to um start a Christian band. Apparently I don't need

673
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: this any more. Bad get a girl pregnant, then you

674
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: get kicked out of that said Christian band. So okay,

675
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: that was the first story that I and for me

676
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: when I wrote my first book, I just wonder what

677
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: they were gonna run with, because you send it out

678
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: to people, it's clickbait, and you go what clickbait? Well

679
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: they create and yours was said, you gotta go up

680
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: pregnant and so at the gap, you're gonna prebay at

681
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: the gap you met the gap, although that had been

682
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: a great Ye, that's the clickbait at the gap inter gap.

683
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: Yeah in both Yeah, that would have been true. That

684
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: would have been true. Uh, so many places that could

685
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: go uh yeah, that was you know, people people have

686
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: said to me, it's hard to believe that you had

687
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: sex one time, and there's no reason to make that

688
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: story up. It coulduced as easily say we had sex

689
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: a hundred times. And I ended up getting pregnant with

690
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: the same result. But it is the truth. It was

691
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: one time condom broke. My life turned around in one instant,

692
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: and everybody that had anything to do with me in

693
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: my career at that point in my life, um, most

694
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: of the people. There were some great friends that stood

695
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: by me and supported me and loved me no matter what.

696
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 1: But most of the people, some of whom had jobs

697
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 1: because of my career scattered. I got dropped by my

698
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: record label, management, booking agency at all, just went away.

699
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: And I say this, I believe all too often people

700
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: that call themselves Christians kill their wounded instead of nursing

701
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: them back to health and making sure that they're okay.

702
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: And that's what pisces me off so much about organized religion.

703
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: It's so judgmental, and it's so easy to cast a

704
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: stone at somebody when they've got a million problems of

705
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: their own and they battle millions of demons themselves. And

706
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 1: that's what I wanted to write the book for us

707
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: to say there's a different side to being a believer,

708
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: and being a believer doesn't mean that you're perfect. It's

709
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: actually quite the opposite. It's admitting that we're all flawed

710
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: human beings that need help. I don't believe any of

711
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: us are meant to live through this life alone and

712
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: handle all of this crow by ourselves. You know. It's

713
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: almost that their strength and vulnerability, you know, the same

714
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: thing that you're saying right there, like we think that

715
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: the right thing is to be the right whatever right means.

716
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: By the way, it was um but yeah, right? So

717
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: so the only sex are one time Connor broke? Did

718
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: you know immediately the Connor broke? I knew it. I

719
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 1: knew it broken. You know, we're getting down in the

720
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: weeds here, Yeah, we are, we are. Did you have

721
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: the pop? Well? I I realized after we had finished,

722
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: and I freaked out so badly. She she left. She

723
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: didn't want to anything to do with me. She was like,

724
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: you're freaking me out. This is so weird. It's not

725
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: like that these things don't happen. It's gonna be okay.

726
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 1: I said, you don't understand. And I was really freaking

727
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: out because I'd made a commitment to myself and and

728
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: the that's trying to do it the right way. I

729
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: was gonna wait till I was married, have have sex

730
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: on the wedding night, do the whole thing that you're

731
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: taught to do when you're a Bible believing Chris. And

732
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: then I wanted that was important to me and I

733
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: failed in that. But this much the first time I

734
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: have sex ever. Though well during while I was in

735
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: the Christian band, though I definitely lived when I was

736
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: trying to stand for you know, but when you're in

737
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 1: the Christian band, like like, would you have sex with girls?

738
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: No good for you? I did before. I mean when

739
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: I was in college, I went through a phase where

740
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: I lost my mind. But when I when I was

741
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: in the Christian band, I was very good about and

742
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: I dated a girl that was in a that was

743
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: a Christian artist too, so it was easy for us

744
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 1: to help keep each other in check and make sure

745
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: we didn't cross those lines that we couldn't, you know,

746
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: we wanted to. But that's a good though, because I'm

747
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: a big believer, and if you surround yourself with the

748
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: best people, then you do make the best decisions. So

749
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: if you have her with you, and they doesn't have

750
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: to be this one even instance, but if if she's

751
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 1: a good influence on you, it makes you make good decisions. Ah,

752
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 1: you go to college, you said you lose your mind

753
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: in college a little bit. Yeah, I definitely was one

754
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 1: of those kids that had been sheltered a little bit.

755
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: And I always and you know, I tell the story

756
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: about my mom and how she struggled as a single parent.

757
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 1: I always tried to keep my nose clean as a

758
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: as a teenager and as a kid growing up, because

759
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: I saw what my mom was doing to make sacrifices

760
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: to make sure our life was good. And so I

761
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,760
Speaker 1: didn't do a whole lot of partying in high school.

762
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: I didn't, you know, I kept my nose pretty clean.

763
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: I did have sex when I was seventeen with my girlfriend,

764
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 1: but I felt really guilty about it and never did

765
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: it again. But then I got to college and I

766
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 1: was around a whole group of like minded people like

767
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: the party a little bit, started hanging out with some

768
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: you know, pastor's girls, or when they when they get

769
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: out of the nest, they like to get out and um,

770
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,280
Speaker 1: you know, test that newfound freedom. And there were moments

771
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:57,919
Speaker 1: that I'm not proud of. I went through a lot

772
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: of you know, um, what, what's the word I'm looking for?

773
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: Debauchery in college. I think we should shout out your

774
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: mom real quick. Because you do mentioned that single mom

775
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: work two jobs and to put you in a Christian

776
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 1: private school, like you're broke and she's working to put

777
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: you in school, which showed what she valued for you

778
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 1: are a kid, and I mean that's a not even

779
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: just a clothes on you, but also make sure you

780
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: get into a Christian school. I know it was remarkable

781
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: now when I look back on it, and you know,

782
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: not until later on in life did she tell me

783
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: how much money she would have left in her wallet

784
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 1: or how much food we would really have in the

785
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 1: pantry that she was going and how in the world

786
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: am I gonna make this last through the weekend? Living

787
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: paycheck to paycheck. Somehow, some way it all came together,

788
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: and she would she told me stories that's unbelievable about

789
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: boxes of groceries showing up on our front porch and

790
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: she would not know where they had come from. Things

791
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: like that that I had no knowledge of until much

792
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: later on in life. You know, it's wild you say

793
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: that because for me growing up, we that we I

794
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: finally figured out who it was, but it was the church.

795
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: They would drop off Christmas presents and food and the

796
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: p t A because you know, my mom or my

797
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: grandmother when she was just raising me and my little sister.

798
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: They would know, they would drop it off and we

799
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: would get to eat. Or I remember once for Christmas,

800
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: I got a color by Number paints. It was only gift.

801
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: I got the whole year color by Number paint set

802
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: and I painted it was the stupidest duck, but it

803
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: was the best duck ever painted like it was my

804
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: Christmas gift. And the church brought it and left it

805
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: at the door with a bow on it and didn't

806
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: say who. Well, I we found out it was a church.

807
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: But it's funny you say that because a lot of

808
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 1: those stories zoo Man, and I think those have lasted

809
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: with me to how I tried to treat people too.

810
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: I don't know if it has for you, like if

811
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: that's left in impression with you. Definitely, it definitely makes

812
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: me think about the way that I treat people. But

813
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: it also I think has allowed me to live in

814
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: the moments and the life that I've been able to

815
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 1: live and appreciate it to a deeper level too, maybe

816
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: than some others would, because I wake up every day

817
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 1: and this is no joke, thanking God for the chance

818
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: to do what we've been able to do for nearly

819
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: twenty years now, which is almost in heard of too

820
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: in this day and age. But I really don't take

821
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: it for granted because I feel so blessed, far beyond

822
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: what I ever imagined I would have been and it

823
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: and it's not lost on me how hard it is

824
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: to make it in the music industry. You see it

825
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 1: all the time, how many people come to this town

826
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: every single day hoping for a career in the music business.

827
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: And I'm just so grateful to be able to look

828
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: back on all I have been through, but to know

829
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: that all of that was for a very necessary reason,

830
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: and now on the other side of it, I can

831
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: really look at it and go thank you, thank you,

832
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you God so much. Mhmm. You talk

833
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: about being twenty years in twenty years and to to

834
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: maintain a level of success for that long, But I

835
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: look back at like your first let let's play your

836
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 1: first thing over here, let's let's go back, let's go,

837
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: let's go, let's do I have the whole thing here,

838
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: let's do uh. These days before the video was shot,

839
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 1: as you right, you that are well? You thought you

840
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: had a heart attack. Yeah, I was dealing with panic

841
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: attacks pretty badly in my mid to late twenties, and

842
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: I would have them periodically, but this one was a

843
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: really bad one and I thought I was having a

844
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: heart attack. So I drove myself to St. Thomas and

845
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: I spent most of the night there. But this is

846
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: also right before the video, Right before the video shore, Yeah.

847
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: I called our manager and said I don't think, I think,

848
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: and he was like, yeah, it's a bigger deal than

849
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 1: what you think to just move a whole entire video shoot.

850
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: And I said, well, I'm exhausted. I've been at the

851
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: hospital all night. They've been in blood tests and I

852
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: don't think I can make it, and he goes, come

853
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: in as late as you can, but please do your

854
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 1: best to be there because we we we can't move

855
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:12,760
Speaker 1: these times. And I showed up and sat down beside

856
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: Allison in the makeup chair. And that, by the way,

857
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: is your wife. Now, as the book says, she wasn't

858
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: getting listen. I'm oppressure a little bit about this because

859
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: you sit down in a makeup chair as you go,

860
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: and you're tired, and you've had a heart attack slash

861
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: panic attack the night before first video. You sit down

862
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 1: they're gonna make you pretty. And there she is, and

863
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: what do you say? I said, Hey, how are you doing?

864
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: She's like fine, nothing back, like playing tennis by herself.

865
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, she doesn't have a ring on the or

866
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: take it off with the video. It's exactly right. So

867
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'll try again. Where are you from, Jackson, Tennessee? Again?

868
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: Playing tennis by yourself? Nothing? No lab back? Where are

869
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 1: you from? Oh COLUMBUSO? Oh, I'm glad you asked. You know.

870
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: I'm just sitting there, like working so hard, you know,

871
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: Like so if have you heard the song before? And

872
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: she's like, I don't really listen to country music. I

873
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: think I heard one of your songs like called waiting

874
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: for Midnight, Like, well, actually it's Praying for Daylight. A

875
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: really big fan, I can tell. So uh is she was?

876
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: She was not cold? But stand office, you know, And

877
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,439
Speaker 1: now looking back, I understand why. But as the day

878
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 1: went on and the longer the weights were in between

879
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: each setup and each take, we started to talk and

880
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: I really really enjoyed her company. Let me stop you

881
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: for a second, but stand office because she was engaged, right.

882
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: I just didn't know that. I did not know that.

883
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: In my defense, I did not know that. And so

884
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: you guys are shooting the video and you're getting to

885
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: know each other and you're you're you're feeling a vibe. Yeah,

886
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 1: I mean, all I know is I like being around her.

887
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: And she was hot. She was hot. I mean she

888
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: was really hot. She just you know, um, And so

889
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: I would go find her. I would seek her out

890
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,760
Speaker 1: and I'd sit down beside her. And she was mildly

891
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: annoyed by me, I could tell. But you know, I'm

892
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: kind of quick on my feet and funny and make

893
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: people laugh. And I started to make her laugh some

894
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: and well, she's not impressed by the music thing. She

895
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: could have cared less. Absolutely could have was hired to

896
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 1: be in the video. You guys here they are Nashville

897
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 1: signed ba bam ba boom. This is nothing. Huh. She

898
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: could have cared less. I'm telling you, it was amazing.

899
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: And I was like anything that a younger me or

900
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: any younger musician would use to, you know, to impress

901
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: a young lady, you know, like, hey, look at me, Well,

902
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:42,240
Speaker 1: don't I look sexy when I play nothing? I mean nothing, nothing.

903
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: And so at the end of the night, we're talking

904
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: I'm on a truck bed with her. I never on

905
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: a tailgate. When I'm sitting there, like, I hate this

906
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: because like after we wrap, I'm never gonna get to

907
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: see you again. This is sucks. It's been really great

908
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: talking to you. And she said, well, actually I'm I

909
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: mean gauged. And I know that you didn't know that

910
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: because it made me take my ring off. But I'm

911
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,760
Speaker 1: getting married in about a month or so, a couple

912
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 1: of months whatever it was, four months, believe you say, yeah,

913
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 1: that sounds about right. Yeah, And so I was just like,

914
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: this is terrible. But she's been really really nice to

915
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: me tonight, and she's talked to me and we've shared

916
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 1: and she finally goes, can I go on your bus

917
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: and use the restroom before I leave so I don't

918
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: have to use the porta potty? And I was like, absolutely,

919
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: I'll take you up. So while she's in using the restroom,

920
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: I pull on a piece of paper and write my

921
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: phone number down and I handed it to her and

922
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: I said, listen, I know you're gonna ask for this anyway,

923
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna go ahead and give this to just

924
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,760
Speaker 1: like that too, you know, really cheesy, And she takes

925
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: it and she goes. My daddy raised me never call boys,

926
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: but if you want to get in touch with me,

927
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 1: this is my number. And I just thought, man, who's

928
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 1: going to give their number to somebody if there isn't

929
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: a little bit of chink in the armor and armor there?

930
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: So I kept calling her. She never called me back, honestly,

931
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: and I ran into her at the Old Green Hills Grill,

932
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: and I ran into her again at another restaurant. I

933
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: forget where we were at that time. Was she ever

934
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: with her fiance and she was never with him. She

935
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: was with her mom and her grandmother and a and

936
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: a friend another time, and I ran into her and

937
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: I the second time, and I called her and I said,

938
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: this is the last time I'll call. I promise. But

939
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 1: if that isn't a sign that we shouldn't, at least

940
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: like go to lunch, I don't know what it is.

941
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: So let's just go to lunch. And we went to lunch,

942
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: and honest to god, we sat there for five and

943
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 1: a half hours. We met at noon when she left

944
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: there at five thirty, and it was really like I'd

945
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: known her my entire life, Honestly, it was so easy

946
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 1: and so fun and natural, and you know, now we're

947
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:50,760
Speaker 1: old and sick of each other. But at the time

948
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 1: it was I'm kidding. Have you thought that she never

949
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: had a fiance and this whole thing was a no no,

950
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: I know him? So uh the guys did just to

951
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: break it off? Huh, Well it was you know, I

952
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: think that I was more of the straw that broke

953
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: the camel's back. It was headed that way anyway. And

954
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 1: she she did tell me, she said, I need to

955
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: sort my life out. I've had fun with you, and

956
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: I definitely loved being around you, but I've got to

957
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: make some big decisions and decide what I'm doing with

958
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 1: my life here. And so she cut it, shut it

959
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: down with me for a long time. And one day

960
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: I got a call from her saying that she had

961
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: told her dad she couldn't get married. And we went

962
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: to dinner and we're never apart after that. Here we

963
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: are fifteen years tomorrow. Is that right? Congratulations we got

964
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: on your big anniversary. Well, we gotta leaves. I don't know,

965
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: let's find someone ask him stop. You know how much

966
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: kids cost, and you've seen my wife, you know how

967
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: much money she spends. I need a gig on idol

968
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: or something. Can you get me another judge spots off it?

969
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: You know, I remember watching because I was over in

970
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: Pop whenever you guys crossed over, Um so I was.

971
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: I grew up in Arkansas. I was a die hard

972
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: country family. When I went to Pop, I kind of

973
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 1: checked out a bit because I was just consumed by

974
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: what I was doing with my work, and you guys

975
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: what hurts the most. It was a big country and

976
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: then started to creep into my world a bit, right,

977
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 1: So I remember watching you guys on Yester Dear. I

978
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 1: suppose it was up for a daytime Emmy wasn't it

979
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: performance on there? Listen? And I remember thinking, oh, I

980
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: like these guys, because I mean I can remember it vividly.

981
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: You know, yesterday was a sitcom and uh, they you

982
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: guys like showed up and they were trying to get

983
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 1: into your show and then you stole our limo. Yeah,

984
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 1: and they got and you guys, but then you're all

985
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: right riding together in the back of the car. That

986
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: that's funny. That's I think my first like real moment

987
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 1: of knowing who you guys faces were. I'm still dear

988
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: friends with Liza Snyder from that show. We we forged

989
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: a really great friendship from that show, and that's a

990
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 1: favorite memory of mine. That was a fun shoot. It

991
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: was about three days. Well, so you're making it over

992
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: in country, but it's gotta be a whole different world

993
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 1: once all of uh like like, oh yeah, boulders are

994
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: falling instead of it was weird, man, when when What

995
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 1: Hurts the Most was number one on UM Top forty radio.

996
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: It was a moment that I'll never forget because we

997
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: started getting calls to then go to which was unheard

998
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: of back then. You it was a different time, not

999
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 1: a lot of Like now you'll see a lot of

1000
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: country acts like Dan and Shaye and Florida Georgia Line

1001
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: and folks like that and a little big town at

1002
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: the A M A S and at the Grammys and things.

1003
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: It just wasn't that common back in uh, you know,

1004
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago. And we were getting calls to do

1005
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: those shows People's Choice Awards, you know, and it was like, wow,

1006
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: this is cool. This is beyond the scope of the

1007
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: c M as, the c M T s and the

1008
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: A c M s, which we love. But we were

1009
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: opened up and exposed to another whole a whole another

1010
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: war old. And I remember sitting on the floor of

1011
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: the American Music Awards with Gary and Gary sitting next

1012
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 1: to me, and he nudged me and he goes, would

1013
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: you have ever thought we'd be able to do this?

1014
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: Sit in this room with jay Z, Beyonce, Madonna, Lady Gaga,

1015
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 1: all of these people, And he said, I'm gonna lay

1016
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: something on you you haven't thought about. I said, what

1017
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,879
Speaker 1: this was the year two thousand six? He said, We've

1018
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:29,879
Speaker 1: sold more records this year than anybody in this room.

1019
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: And it stopped me in my tracks. And he wasn't

1020
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: saying it to be boastful or to like be you know,

1021
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: braggadocious about it. He was saying, can you believe what

1022
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: we've done outside of just being in country music? And

1023
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,399
Speaker 1: it was overwhelming to me. I never will forget that night,

1024
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: in that moment that we shared during the commercial break there,

1025
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: which is the two of us, it was so cool.

1026
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: Did you guys get crap for being a mainstream success

1027
00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 1: from any of the Nashville you know, hardcore country folks.

1028
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: Not really, No, not to be honest, we didn't. We had,

1029
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: I mean people, I felt like we're you know, except

1030
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 1: for the moment there when the song was released Murder

1031
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: on music Row and they talked about pop coming over

1032
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: an infiltrating country. It was a little bit of a

1033
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 1: movement there, but most people rallied around us and got

1034
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 1: behind us. And you know, there was a there was

1035
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,280
Speaker 1: a batch of us doing something different, and Keith Urban

1036
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: and in Us and and Shadaisy at the time, and

1037
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: a few people that were putting poppy or elements into

1038
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: the country music. And I feel like they welcomed it,

1039
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: and it was you know, some of the critics, of course,

1040
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: derided us early on and we got a bad rap,

1041
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 1: but most of the people in the music industry were

1042
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: kind of excited that there was kind of a new

1043
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: movement coming along, you know. And Bless the Broken Road

1044
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,240
Speaker 1: another song that crept into my life and then slammed

1045
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 1: into my life. I played it all the time on

1046
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,479
Speaker 1: pop radio. Yeah. I mean, you guys are a full

1047
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: fledged not that you're not country, but you're a pop

1048
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: act at this time, Like it was just expected. When's

1049
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 1: that I'm talking about from my side, when's the next

1050
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 1: Rascal Flat song coming out? It's really cool to hear

1051
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: you say that, because I don't think a lot of

1052
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 1: people are saying that today, you know. I mean it

1053
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: was we We had that sweet spot where you're kind

1054
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 1: of in adell, you know, and you just sit there

1055
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,720
Speaker 1: in it and soak it all up, because it seems

1056
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 1: like you have a moment in time where you put

1057
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: a song out it resonates with people, and you have

1058
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 1: your fingers crossed, and you put another one out and

1059
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 1: it resonates with people, and then you start to get

1060
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: scared that you're that you're gonna be in this spot

1061
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: to where you're never gonna be able to put another

1062
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: song at that resonates with anybody. And it was such

1063
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: a magical time for us. We had about ten years

1064
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: there that we're just phenomenal. And it's testament to the

1065
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: songwriters in this town too, because the songs we were

1066
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: able to get our hands on, the writers that were

1067
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: sitting in rooms writing for us, that knew what we

1068
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 1: wanted to say, how we wanted to sing it really

1069
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: had their fingers on the pulse of who Rascal Flats was.

1070
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 1: I can't thank them enough. The car song, which people

1071
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: know it as the car song, I actually know it

1072
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: from uh any money, no no, no, I WoT had

1073
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: the money it's it's not any money, it's um the

1074
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: original thing highway Tom Cox, Tom Cock, Right, that's right. Um,

1075
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: but you guys sing this. But this was never a single, No,

1076
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 1: it wasn't, but again it was played everywhere. Yeah, and

1077
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: that movie was huge, huge, huge for us. And I

1078
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 1: remember going to dinner here at the Capitol Grill with

1079
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: um John Laster, who took us out and showed a

1080
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: storyboards of the movie, going, I've got this movie about

1081
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: these cars that talked to each other and saw the

1082
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: storyboard of cars storyboards. Yeah, and I really want you

1083
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: guys to do this um montage where he's on Route

1084
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: sixty six and he's driving and you're doing Life Is

1085
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: a Highway and looking at the storyboards and he's wearing

1086
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: a toy story shirt with Woody on it, and it's

1087
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: weird kind of you know, John is a sweet guy,

1088
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 1: but it's just kind of like, can we write a song? No,

1089
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: I really want you guys to remake you know, Life

1090
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: is a Highway like Chris Lado did it in the

1091
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 1: nineties and kind of made it a hit again. And

1092
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: are you sure we can't write a song? He goes,

1093
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 1: I really got a vision for this guy's if you'll

1094
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: see these cars talk to each other, you know, it's

1095
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: like wow. So we did it and one of the

1096
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: best decisions we ever made. First song we ever cut

1097
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: with Dan Huff, by the way, who's been on this

1098
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: show and as a dear friend. I don't know. I

1099
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: talked to Dan like three days ago, and Dan, if

1100
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: you go back and listen to an older show, if

1101
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: you're listen to this right now, Dan, we'll talk about

1102
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: how he would cut songs for like Paul Abduel or Uh.

1103
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: He'd play guitar on them. Yeah, I know, she was

1104
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: even in the vocals and he'd be in the airport

1105
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: and go, I do they like that guitar? Laud brother

1106
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: be like, that's you idiot. I mean, the guy is

1107
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 1: so good and he's so humble, it's disgusting. There's not

1108
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: a kinder human being on the planet and he's played

1109
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 1: on I mean, you know a lot of people don't

1110
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 1: know this. I'm gonna tell something on Dan. He started

1111
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: White Heart, one of the Christian bands that I was

1112
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: obsessed with as a kid. He was one of the

1113
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: founding members with his brother David, and so I followed

1114
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: him early on before he was even a session player

1115
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: in l A and playing on all those hit records.

1116
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: There was something special about his playing even in that band,

1117
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 1: that I knew that I loved and gravitated towards. So

1118
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:30,800
Speaker 1: that's another great blessing in my life is to be

1119
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: able to come back around and work with somebody like Dan,

1120
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: have him produce our band and being his presence and

1121
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 1: watch him work. It's just something I never would have

1122
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 1: ever expected or dreamed either, you know. And now to

1123
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 1: be able to call somebody like him a true friend

1124
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 1: is just phenomenal with me. It blows blows my mind.

1125
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 1: You know. Was there ever a point with you guys

1126
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: you're three that you're like, this is probably it. We're done.

1127
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 1: When Lyric Streets shut down in two thousand ten, Um,

1128
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: we sat around in my man room and looked at

1129
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,399
Speaker 1: each other and we're like, do we have anything left

1130
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 1: to say? Even? I mean, it's been a great tenure run. Um.

1131
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 1: We were getting ready to either quit or make a

1132
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 1: management change, and a lot of things were going to change,

1133
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: and we knew it and it was gonna be tough,

1134
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,359
Speaker 1: and we sat around and considered whether or not it

1135
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: wasn't time to lay Rascal flats down, and I think

1136
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: after an hour or so of talking with each other,

1137
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 1: it was just like, it hurts me to think about

1138
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 1: the last time that I'll look over to my right

1139
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: and not see Gary beside me. When I think about

1140
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: that day, it makes me emotional. I don't know when

1141
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: that day will be, but I wasn't ready to face it.

1142
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: And to think about never making music with the two

1143
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: of them again. Boy, it's something that even though we

1144
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: were in twenty years and we love each other like brothers,

1145
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: and we've certainly fought like brothers before. I love those

1146
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: guys with all my heart, and we've done some things

1147
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 1: that a lot of people will never see or never

1148
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,800
Speaker 1: be able to do. And we've been in the trenches together,

1149
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: and we know each other in ways that our own

1150
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 1: wives don't even know us. And to think about not

1151
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: having that anymore, I think all of us were not ready,

1152
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 1: and we were willing to stay together because we felt

1153
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: like we had more to say and more to do,

1154
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: and we still do. I don't know that it's going

1155
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,919
Speaker 1: to come to a close anytime soon. I think we will.

1156
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: We will all three have things we want to do

1157
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 1: individually as we get older and have opportunities to, but

1158
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: I don't see us ever really going away and and

1159
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: having an official, quote unquote break up. Do you ever

1160
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 1: think about a sideband. I'm in one already, and it's

1161
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: tough to be in that one sometimes in the time

1162
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 1: that it takes in the commitment level, I thought about

1163
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 1: maybe doingside projects and things like that. I band that

1164
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: you're in, Why don't I know this? Or do I

1165
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: know this is a secret? No? I mean, I mean,

1166
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 1: I'm in Rascal Plants. In the commitment I was like,

1167
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: how do I not know? No, No, I I don't

1168
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 1: have I mean, I certainly love making music on any

1169
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 1: level and music by the way, Yeah, well, I'll opened

1170
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 1: up a Christian label back in October, so I've got

1171
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: artists signed there to that label that I'll be releasing

1172
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: records on. So that my time commitment there with that

1173
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 1: that new thing in my life is pretty substantial. So

1174
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to try to make sure that's as successful

1175
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: as it can possibly be. And I want to continue

1176
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: making music and producing for other people. And I've had

1177
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 1: I've had the chance to do a lot of great things,

1178
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:45,479
Speaker 1: and you know, uh, I'm at a really great point

1179
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: in my life now. To where I really really enjoy

1180
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 1: everything that I'm doing right now, and I'm not just

1181
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: doing it because I have to. You know, has Gary

1182
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 1: ever said how do they go do a solo record?

1183
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: I think Gary will do a solo record someday. I

1184
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: don't know what it will be. It maybe a Christian record.

1185
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what it will be. And I think

1186
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I think he should do a solo record.

1187
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 1: I think that if it's in him and something he

1188
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 1: wants to do, I would support that and in his

1189
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: aspirations and dreams one percent. Would you have seven years

1190
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,439
Speaker 1: ago or do you feel now you're at a place

1191
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 1: where you're kind of comfortable with where the band is.

1192
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: You hit a big you came back, you hit it

1193
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: big again, You've had in the last few years. You

1194
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 1: had number once again. So it's a part of that

1195
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: because of all this success and now you feel a

1196
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: little more like we're stationed, like we're a thing. What

1197
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 1: id he to come? You know after Blessed the Broken

1198
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 1: Road and said, guys, I want to do it. This

1199
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 1: is quick solo thing, like like you see Boheman rapidly

1200
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 1: were like, Fred, you gotta do a solo record. Yeah,

1201
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 1: that didn't happen at all. With you guys, it didn't happen.

1202
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 1: I think that all of us appreciated where we were

1203
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 1: and appreciated each other and loved each other. And Gary

1204
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 1: was um extraordinarily gracious in the fact that he was

1205
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 1: in a band and and never put us in a

1206
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 1: bad issuing to go. I think I'm gonna go off

1207
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: on my own here for a little bit and and

1208
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 1: try it on my own, and and you know, I'm

1209
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 1: grateful to him for that. The flip side is it

1210
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 1: doesn't turn out well for a lot of people that

1211
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: try to leave a group situation and and and go

1212
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: out on their own. It's really tough to do. And

1213
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 1: when you've done it at a high level like we have,

1214
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you've got to realize you're

1215
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 1: coming out of your own pocket to pay for all

1216
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 1: the luxuries that you won't have anymore because you're virtually

1217
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 1: starting over. I think it's hard for some people. I'll

1218
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 1: look at you. Here you are with a book. Yeah,

1219
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 1: I'm all grown up, has the book to I've been

1220
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 1: a grind for you, it has been, but it's been fun.

1221
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I've enjoyed being able to talk about my

1222
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 1: life and being able to celebrate my mother and tell

1223
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: my story from a different side. You know, I'm sure, um,

1224
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 1: maybe you deal with some of this too, But I've

1225
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 1: always I've always been you know, like referred to as

1226
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 1: the funny guy or the cut up in the band

1227
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 1: or the whatever, and and I wanted the chance to

1228
01:00:55,920 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: really tell some things from my perspective and and talk

1229
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 1: about my philosophies on life and hopefully people see another

1230
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit deeper sign to me than just

1231
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 1: being the funny guy. Yeah, it probably you know, you

1232
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 1: get to exercise a bit of depth which people don't

1233
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 1: always come to the funny guy for. And so yeah,

1234
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: it feels good, right Like, it feels like it's kind

1235
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 1: of like it's kind of like a real it's a lot.

1236
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 1: It's a lot to dig up this stuff, and it's

1237
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 1: a lot. Even for me. It was tough to to

1238
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 1: re talk about this stuff. Um, But then you start

1239
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 1: to realize, which back to your very first point was

1240
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 1: there are people out there that are struggling with some

1241
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 1: of the same things that you struggle with that I

1242
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 1: struggle with, that feel like they're alone. And if you

1243
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: can see that, you you know, Mr Rascal Flats can

1244
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 1: do it and it had to happen to him and

1245
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 1: can deal with it. Then, um, then it happens to everyone.

1246
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 1: I think that's the point is you think about people

1247
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 1: when they're by themselves and the lights are off and

1248
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 1: the doors shut and they're behind closed doors. What kind

1249
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 1: of pain and hurt that people deal with on a

1250
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: daily basis? Will never know? And sometimes it's nice to

1251
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 1: know that somebody you know, or somebody you may look

1252
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 1: up to, or somebody you may admire, has gone through

1253
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 1: some of the same things. And look, here's how they

1254
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 1: have dealt with it, and here's how they have overcome it,

1255
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 1: and how how they still still deal with it. You know,

1256
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 1: it doesn't go away. Um, hurt and pain doesn't go away.

1257
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 1: The older you get, you just learned a different skill

1258
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 1: set and you have a different bag of tools to

1259
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:31,440
Speaker 1: deal with it. And that's all I wanted to do

1260
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: is just say, look, if you're willing to try therapy,

1261
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 1: and you're willing to try pills to balance out chemical

1262
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 1: imbalances and things like that, maybe there's another option. And

1263
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 1: maybe that option could be finding your own faith in

1264
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 1: God and finding your own relationship with him because you

1265
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 1: might find some hope and strength you you never even

1266
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 1: dreamed before. You say, your greatest blessing isn't the flats,

1267
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 1: It isn't even your family, but it's hope. Yeah. What

1268
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 1: do you mean by that? Well? I meant that hope

1269
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 1: was the only thing I had. Sometimes, before I had

1270
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 1: my family, or before I had the flats or anything,

1271
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Speaker 1: all I had was hope. And sometimes it would be

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01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 1: the smallest little ounce of hope. It would be a

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01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 1: friend that would call me out of the blue and go,

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01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:12,919
Speaker 1: I thought about you the other day. I just wanted

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01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 1: to check in on you. You're doing okay. And it

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01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 1: would blow me away because it would be when I

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01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 1: needed it the most and least expected it. Or I

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01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 1: would see uh sign of a on a billboard in

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Speaker 1: front of a church that would be a scripture and

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01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 1: I would look it up in the Bible and and be,

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01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 1: you know, something that would give me like, hang in there,

1282
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 1: You're on the right track. I know you can't feel it,

1283
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 1: but you gotta stay the course. Sometimes it was my mom.

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01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 1: A lot of times it was my mom going, you're

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01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 1: not coming back home. You're where you're supposed to be,

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01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 1: and you've got to stay there. You gotta stay the course.

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01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 1: You gotta you know, dust yourself off, get back up

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01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 1: on your feet, and keep moving forward. And that's what

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01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 1: I mean about hope. My mom gave me that gift,

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01:03:58,080 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: and I didn't even realize she was given it to

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01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 1: me when she was dragging me off the church three

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01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 1: or four times a week. But it was in there

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01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 1: and it took deep root in me, and I relied

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01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 1: on it later on in life when things get really

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01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 1: really bad. We're gonna end with this. By the way,

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01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 1: you watch a game with Thrones, I don't you are you?

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01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 1: Are you? You're your Thrones guy? Yeah, I try not

1298
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 1: to be the Thrones guy that yells about it all

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01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 1: the time. Well, I know, and I feel so bad.

1300
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 1: I've given it like two shots and I've made it

1301
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 1: through like three or four episodes, and it's just so

1302
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 1: much to keep up with. Ye. I feel like I'm

1303
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 1: watching a high school play sometimes in about medieval times.

1304
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 1: And I'm sure it's great, um, but maybe I need

1305
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 1: to give it another shot. But because a ton of

1306
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 1: people that I love and respect are obsessed with that shrip,

1307
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 1: I think it's a great It's not my favorite of

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01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 1: my life, but I think it's the best TV show

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01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 1: in my lifetime, and I think there's a difference. The

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01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 1: best I think your TV show in my lifetime not

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01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 1: my favorite, So I don't if I get to pick

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01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,920
Speaker 1: one that's not it. I caught one episode late one

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01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 1: night called The Red Wedding or something like that, where

1314
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 1: everybody you know, that's the one there, and I'm like,

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01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 1: I don't think I could, Like, I don't think I

1316
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 1: can deal with this week. That one was a big one.

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01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's a lot um and you fall in

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01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 1: love with the characters and they all die, right, like

1319
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 1: every single one of them. Listen, it's like fight club. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you don't talk about it. We don't talk about it's

1321
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 1: a it's a it's a fantastic show. But you don't

1322
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 1: watch Thrones. What do you watch? Well, I'm kind of

1323
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 1: more on the that I'm on the shallow into things

1324
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 1: like I'm really into Ship's Creek right now on Netflix.

1325
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 1: You know, I matched with the girl that's on I

1326
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 1: don't know if I should say who it is, but

1327
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 1: one of the main actors I'm on these dating apps

1328
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 1: right and one of the main actors on the show

1329
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 1: I matched with on the dating app and a little bit.

1330
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 1: You gotta decide. Have you talked to her? Yeah? How

1331
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 1: about that? It's awesome. I'll pull up Earth and we've

1332
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 1: been talking about so I love that because the apps

1333
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 1: are crazy. Man, it's like instant out everyone. You can

1334
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 1: just it's like free, like even ten years ago, you know.

1335
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 1: With It's something we talk about all the time too.

1336
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 1: Don't you love how brave people are on social media

1337
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:12,439
Speaker 1: when they get behind a keyboard, they can just get

1338
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 1: on there and just torpedo you with no repercussions. I

1339
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 1: think that people just want to be heard, and they

1340
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 1: find that the best way to be heard is to

1341
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 1: be the loudest and most obnoxious. It just bugs a

1342
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 1: crap out of me because it's your Facebook or now

1343
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 1: even though I don't look at the show face page.

1344
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 1: I I don't look at it. And I've almost thought

1345
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 1: about muting my Instagram comments because there'll be a hundred

1346
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 1: great comments and my personality is to zone in on

1347
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 1: the one guy that's being an ass, you know what

1348
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 1: I mean, and it will you send me over the edge,

1349
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 1: you know, and be like, dude, this is how I

1350
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 1: matched with. You have to say who it is. But

1351
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 1: we've been talking do you recog for the show. Of course,

1352
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 1: I do. Absolutely you watched the show, yeah, of course,

1353
01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 1: and that's why when I saw I was like click

1354
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 1: the heart and then I was surprised at the came

1355
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 1: back and so yeah, she's that shows shot in Canada.

1356
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 1: Is in Vancouver. Um, I'm not sure where. If you

1357
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 1: were out in l A. You can just go up. Yeah, ups, creaks, funny.

1358
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 1: What else you're watching? Um, I'm a huge Walking Dead fan. Okay,

1359
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:18,439
Speaker 1: let me ask you a question. Me to die hard

1360
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,400
Speaker 1: with my favorite show for years. But I got I

1361
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 1: got kind of lost, and like I think I'm like

1362
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 1: a season behind and I don't know where I got lost,

1363
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:29,840
Speaker 1: and I'm not super into catching up. The show is

1364
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 1: not the same with that Rick. It's really lost a

1365
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 1: little bit. And I gotta tell you, it almost lost

1366
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 1: me for good when they at the beginning of a

1367
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:40,920
Speaker 1: couple of seasons ago when they my my buddy Michael

1368
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 1: Cutlitz was on there and they bashed his brains in

1369
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 1: with the baseball bat and then they with Michael cut

1370
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:49,720
Speaker 1: let's play too, he played Abraham Oh oh yeah, red hand,

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01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 1: And then they killed Glenn Off too and they like

1372
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 1: popped his eyeball out with the Baseball Man finally or

1373
01:07:56,600 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 1: the first episode whenever? Yeah, Yeah, Nigannigan a man. I

1374
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 1: love Jeffrey Dean Morgan. He's a fantastic actor. It just

1375
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 1: they took it so far because of the shock factor

1376
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 1: that they always try to do with that show, and

1377
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 1: you never know who's gonna die. And I get it,

1378
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 1: and I'm such a huge fans of the fan of

1379
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 1: the show, but it started to lose me a little bit,

1380
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 1: to be quite honest. Yeah, I when after Rick was gone,

1381
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 1: I just kind of got lost what episode I was

1382
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 1: and I wasn't just terribly horn to get back at it,

1383
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 1: you know. And I love Darryl, but I don't know

1384
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 1: that he's enough to hold the show by himself. I

1385
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 1: turned into a TV critic all of a sudden, haven't

1386
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 1: a um we all are at this point. Everything is

1387
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 1: so good? If it's not so good, and right up,

1388
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:39,599
Speaker 1: our algorithm are human algorithm to what show we want

1389
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 1: that we just move on to the next thing. Yeah,

1390
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:43,720
Speaker 1: and I don't love Christley knows best. I've been on

1391
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 1: a bunch of those episodes of Todd. He's he's a

1392
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 1: buddy of mine. He wrote on the back of your

1393
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:50,839
Speaker 1: book that he wrote the Hey, he's not a douchebag.

1394
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 1: Read the book exactly. He's not the jerk you think

1395
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 1: he is all of the time sometimes im You know

1396
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 1: what show I like is none One. I think that's

1397
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:05,639
Speaker 1: a pretty good show on Fox. You the first season.

1398
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 1: She's not in the second season, but um, it's it's

1399
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 1: pretty decent. And we what we do is Allison. I

1400
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:13,840
Speaker 1: just binge on some stuff every once in a while.

1401
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of what we're what else we're

1402
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:18,519
Speaker 1: watching right now? Watch any of the Marvel stuff on Netflix,

1403
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 1: like The Punisher. I don't is it good? It's the

1404
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 1: best show to be Agents of Shield any good. I

1405
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 1: didn't get into all Right. I was never torn Away

1406
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 1: and he's a big You see the Last Adventures? I haven't. Yeah,

1407
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 1: I saw the End Game, so it's amazing. I turn

1408
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 1: off Twitter when Game of Thrones ends because I'm on

1409
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 1: I at the same time and have to go home

1410
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 1: and look at it. But I'm avoiding Everything Adventures until

1411
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 1: I can watch End Game because it's supposed to be

1412
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 1: so freaking good. Let me tell you, I was amazed

1413
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:51,840
Speaker 1: at how great it was. I mean, it was three

1414
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 1: hours and is that good? Huh, you don't know it's

1415
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 1: three hours. I mean it goes fine a blank, doesn't it?

1416
01:09:57,200 --> 01:09:59,559
Speaker 1: You know? I mean it really really does. Exacted about

1417
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:02,599
Speaker 1: John Wick three have yes, me too. I actually love

1418
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 1: those movies. I think he read is my favorite actor.

1419
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:09,559
Speaker 1: I've I've declared he's not my favorite because you can

1420
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 1: make fun of him, you can, but look at his

1421
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 1: body of work. Respect the body of work. So he's

1422
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 1: now America's favorite actor and mine. I love it. And

1423
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 1: you know what else, I gotta tell you, Cobra Kai

1424
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 1: is fantastic too. I haven't seen it. I know it's

1425
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:25,440
Speaker 1: a YouTube show. You gotta watch it. Man, It's fantastic.

1426
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 1: What these guys have done with the storyline thirty plus

1427
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:31,360
Speaker 1: years later, with these two you never see coming, It

1428
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 1: is really fantastic. Now. Billy Zapka, who plays Johnny, is

1429
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 1: one of my lifelong dearest friends. So I've you know,

1430
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 1: I've been a Karate Kid fanatics since the first movie

1431
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 1: came out when I was a teenager. But what they've

1432
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:47,760
Speaker 1: done with the story and how they've taken those two characters,

1433
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 1: you would really really appreciate and love interesting. Well, listen,

1434
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 1: we've Here's the question I was gonna ask you before

1435
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:56,840
Speaker 1: I veered off the last question. I ask him, if

1436
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 1: you could tell yourself, you give your your sixteen year

1437
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 1: old self one a little bit of advice from you

1438
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 1: right now? Would you tell him condoms do break? There

1439
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 1: and there? There you have it. Listen, check out the book.

1440
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 1: It's a Shotgun Angels, My story of Broken Roads and

1441
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:15,320
Speaker 1: Unshakable Hope. How was how hard that subtitle to have

1442
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:17,880
Speaker 1: and to come up with? It was? It was pretty tough.

1443
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 1: They wanted, Yeah, what was the first title of the book.

1444
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:23,719
Speaker 1: Because I went to like nineteens, it was called something

1445
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 1: like um uh, hope, Hope in the Hope in the

1446
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 1: Forgotten Places or something. I mean, there were so many

1447
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 1: different variations of that. I was like, none of them

1448
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 1: made me happy. My co author, actually Timothy, came up

1449
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 1: with that because the two stories in the book about

1450
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 1: my folks and also the angels that ride shotgun next

1451
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 1: to you that you don't even know about. Look at this,

1452
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:50,880
Speaker 1: You got a book, got a book. You play a

1453
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:52,960
Speaker 1: couple of songs on the keyboards, got it. He's got

1454
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 1: a gift on the piano as occasionally funny things. I'm

1455
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 1: not I'm glad he's Nobby. I'll tell you this guy. Ready,

1456
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:03,639
Speaker 1: there's no Bobby and Bones. Thank god, Um, listen that Jay.

1457
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:05,080
Speaker 1: Good to see you, but good to see you too.

1458
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 1: Thank you for your time. One on nine. Look at this?

1459
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:09,599
Speaker 1: Have you every been ever? Be for hours straight? One

1460
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:12,400
Speaker 1: on one? Hey, and it's just like Avengers in game.

1461
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 1: It didn't even feel like we were both die. I

1462
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 1: don't even know what happened in adventures. All right, listen,

1463
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 1: thank you, We'll see you the next time. Episode one

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Speaker 1: seven seven. Everybody