WEBVTT - From the Vault: The 2019 Ig Nobel Prizes

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind. My name

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<v Speaker 1>is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick. In it's Saturday.

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<v Speaker 1>Time to go into the vault for a classic. Today

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<v Speaker 1>we are retrieving last year's Ignobel Prizes episode. That's right,

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<v Speaker 1>This is a tradition for us. Basically what happens is

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<v Speaker 1>generally in mid to late September um the Ignoble Prizes

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<v Speaker 1>come out. These are prizes that celebrate the weird and

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<v Speaker 1>the at times humorous in legitimate scientific investigation. Uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>it always makes for a fun episode. We tend to

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<v Speaker 1>come back and do them after Halloween. Is generally our

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<v Speaker 1>first post Halloween episode or thereabouts. And so yeah, this

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<v Speaker 1>is last year's selection, and we'll give your heads up

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<v Speaker 1>that the next new episode of Stuff to Blow Your

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<v Speaker 1>Mind will be some selections from the Ignoble Prizes. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>jump right in. Welcome to Stuff to Your Mind, a

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<v Speaker 1>production of I Heart Radio's House to Works. Hey, Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to Stuff to Blow your Mind. My name is Robert

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<v Speaker 1>Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick, and we are revisiting a

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<v Speaker 1>yearly tradition. That's right. Every year, pretty much about this time,

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<v Speaker 1>we look and see what was honored at this year's

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<v Speaker 1>Ignoble Prizes. The prizes themselves come out. I believe that

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<v Speaker 1>the end of September or the very beginning of October

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<v Speaker 1>timing for us, Yeah, because that's when we want to

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<v Speaker 1>get into our Halloween content, and so we always do.

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<v Speaker 1>We just steamroll ahead into the Halloween content. And then afterwards, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, after especially after the dust is sort of

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<v Speaker 1>settled on the Ignobele Prizes, the mainstream media coverage of

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<v Speaker 1>the event has died away, then we come back and

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<v Speaker 1>we picked through the winners and sometimes we cover absolutely everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes we cover a few choice selections here and there,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's going to be the mo all we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be employing here. Yeah, we're just gonna take a

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<v Speaker 1>look at a few highlights that stuck out to us.

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<v Speaker 1>So for those who haven't heard before, a quick refresher

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<v Speaker 1>on the Ignobles. Yeah, they've been awarded each year since

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<v Speaker 1>by the publication the Annals of Improbable Research. The purpose

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<v Speaker 1>of the award, according to the editors of Improbable Researches

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<v Speaker 1>to quote honor achievements that first make people laugh and

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<v Speaker 1>then make them think. Furthermore, they stressed that the ten

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<v Speaker 1>prizes aren't necessarily meant to pass judgment on the winners. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>the official website emphasizes that the prizes quote celebrate the unusual,

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<v Speaker 1>honor the imaginative, and spur people's interests in science, medicine,

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<v Speaker 1>and technology. And the principal individual here is editor Mark Abrams. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>every year it is just a it's you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>making fun of the idea a little bit of the

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<v Speaker 1>Nobel Prizes, uh, which which celebrate, you know, key advancements

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<v Speaker 1>and and and key examples of work that are really

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<v Speaker 1>pushing forward are our understand ending of ourselves and the universe, nature.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Ignoble Prizes tend to highlight more absurd intreats,

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<v Speaker 1>but none not necessarily intreaes that are you know, that

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<v Speaker 1>are completely useless. And I think that's an important thing

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<v Speaker 1>to stress, and something we've tried to stress in the

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<v Speaker 1>past when covering the event is that studies that are

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<v Speaker 1>honored by the Ignoble Prizes maybe snick or inducing. They

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<v Speaker 1>may seem a little silly at first glance, but they

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<v Speaker 1>are all works of real science, of real ingenuity, and

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<v Speaker 1>if nothing else, they are expanding hoping to expand the

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<v Speaker 1>the threshold of human understanding. Yeah, I mean, I think

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<v Speaker 1>one of our favorite things to explore on this show

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<v Speaker 1>is realizing that there's an interesting question in a place

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<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't have expected to find it, and that's what

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of this research does. And so on that note,

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<v Speaker 1>let us turn to the first Ignoble Prize winning study

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<v Speaker 1>that we would like to highlight here today, and that

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<v Speaker 1>is the two I was in a nineteen Award winner

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<v Speaker 1>in physics, awarded to Patricia yang at All for studying

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<v Speaker 1>how and why wombats make a cube shaped poop. Wombats

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<v Speaker 1>are so cute they are there. They are so adorable

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<v Speaker 1>to look at. I mean, obviously the babies, any baby

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<v Speaker 1>animal is going to be adorable, but even the adults

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<v Speaker 1>look like living Teddy Bear creatures, like living Teddy bear

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<v Speaker 1>marsu fiels. I bet they're just nightmarish, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>given how cute they are. I'm sure they kill thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of people every year. Now, I mean, to be to

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<v Speaker 1>be clear, they can protect themselves, and sometimes they do

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<v Speaker 1>harm humans if provoked or I think there have been

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<v Speaker 1>cases where like there was a wombat that had the

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<v Speaker 1>mange or something like that and was therefore a little

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<v Speaker 1>more agitated. So yes, there they can. They are kind

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<v Speaker 1>of tough customers in their own right own right, They're

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<v Speaker 1>not straight up wolverines or anything, but they can. They

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<v Speaker 1>can look after themselves. So this particular paper, how do

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<v Speaker 1>wombats make cubed pooh uh? Came? This was presented at

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<v Speaker 1>the seventy furth Annual Meeting of the APS Division of

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<v Speaker 1>Fluid Dynamics, And I believe this is presented in Atlanta, Georgia,

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<v Speaker 1>where of course we record the show. Yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 1>at least part of the team is Georgia Tech, right, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So the species here, vombat us your sinus, is a

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<v Speaker 1>pudgy herbivore roughly the size of a kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>thick dog, like a really thick dog, and it's a marsupial.

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<v Speaker 1>They have pouches, but since they're burrowers, they have backward

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<v Speaker 1>pouches so as not to fill the pouch up with

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<v Speaker 1>dirt and endanger the young one that may be within

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<v Speaker 1>the pouch. So interesting, so like if they're pulling themselves

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<v Speaker 1>forward on their belly through the dirt, the dirt does

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<v Speaker 1>not go in, right, yeah, because we can all imagine

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<v Speaker 1>the cartoon scenario. They're just filling up with dirt, right.

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<v Speaker 1>They have a slow metabolism. They feed mostly on grasses

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<v Speaker 1>and roots, and they're largely nocturnal or crepuscular, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>so they're gonna you know, they're not going to venture out,

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<v Speaker 1>usually in the brightest light of the day. They may

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<v Speaker 1>come out though on particularly overcast days, and they can again,

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<v Speaker 1>they can put up a fight if threatened. And you'll

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<v Speaker 1>find them in Australia and in Tasmania. They're cute. They're

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<v Speaker 1>not endangered, despite being treated as vermin by some farmers.

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<v Speaker 1>And oh I love this. Groups of wombats are are

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes called a mob, sometimes just called a group, but

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes they're also known as a wisdom of wombats. Oh man,

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<v Speaker 1>that's better than a murder of crows. That is. I

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<v Speaker 1>just imagine these wise, cute, elder wombats that have so

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<v Speaker 1>so much wisdom to share with the world. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>mean to be mean, but they don't necessarily look wise.

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<v Speaker 1>They do look they look more clever than wise. Well

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<v Speaker 1>what would you what would you refer to them as

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a snuggle of wombats. It would be a

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<v Speaker 1>snuggy of wombats. That's pretty good. A slank it of wombats,

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<v Speaker 1>A slank it of wombats. I like that. But one

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<v Speaker 1>of the more puzzling attributes of the wombat has long

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<v Speaker 1>been their poop, because it is cubic. And we're not

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<v Speaker 1>talking necessarily perfectly cubic in a Mattris geometrical sense, but

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<v Speaker 1>yet for a world mostly devoid, pretty much completely devoid

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<v Speaker 1>of natural squares, certainly natural biological squares, this is pretty

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<v Speaker 1>darned cubic. Yeah, totally. I mean, if you come across

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<v Speaker 1>these things in nature, you would think they were made

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<v Speaker 1>by humans. Yeah. They look kind of like chocolate marshmallows,

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<v Speaker 1>like really square chocolate marshmallows. If you see a picture

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<v Speaker 1>of them, yeah, not the cylindrical marshmallows, like the more

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<v Speaker 1>old school like carved out ones with corners. Granted, I

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<v Speaker 1>think the images were both looking at here, they're dried

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit, but still even fresh out the shoot.

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<v Speaker 1>They are there. They are cubic in nature. It is

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<v Speaker 1>really hard to imagine how these things are made just picked.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't know how much time one wants

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<v Speaker 1>to spend contemplating a wombad anus, but like, it just

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't seem like a normal thing that would emerge physically

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<v Speaker 1>from a what I would assume to be rounded anus. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the wombat anus is not immune for the the inquiry

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<v Speaker 1>of science, and that's where Yang and her team come in.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh And again, yeah, Yang is local, based out of

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<v Speaker 1>the School of Mechanical Engineering at Georgia Tech, where she's

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<v Speaker 1>a post doctoral fellow. Uh So, since she's local, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>we should have her on the on the show. Because

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<v Speaker 1>she's not just a one time Ignoble winner, she's a

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<v Speaker 1>two time Ignoble winner because she and co author David

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<v Speaker 1>who also shared the two thousand fifteen Ignoble Physics Prize

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<v Speaker 1>for testing the biological principle that nearly all mammals and

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<v Speaker 1>empty their bladders in about twenty one seconds plus or

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<v Speaker 1>minus thirteen seconds. I don't know the plus or minus

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen seconds buys you a pretty big window there, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I find myself very often thinking about this one in

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<v Speaker 1>the bathroom. So, having turned away from the world of urine,

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<v Speaker 1>the researchers were interested by this puzzle of the wombat poop,

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<v Speaker 1>so they looked at how differences and wombats digestive processes

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<v Speaker 1>and soft tissue structures informed this curious structure. So they investigated.

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<v Speaker 1>They used the digestive tracks of wombats that had been

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<v Speaker 1>euthanized following motor vehicle collisions in Tasmania. Uh so you

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<v Speaker 1>have to you have to have some actual bodies to

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<v Speaker 1>look at there, and then it seems like a reasonable

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<v Speaker 1>way to go about getting them. They found that the

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<v Speaker 1>shape occurred towards the very end of the intestines. As

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<v Speaker 1>the matter became increasingly firm, it became clear that quote

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<v Speaker 1>varying elastic properties of wombats intestinal walls allowed for the

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<v Speaker 1>cubic formation. And the result is a cube, the only

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<v Speaker 1>organic cube and nature, they say, and it's not made

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<v Speaker 1>yang stresses by the two typical human methods of creating cubes.

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<v Speaker 1>We because we tend to mold a cube or we

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<v Speaker 1>cut a cube. Right, we slice a cube out of

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<v Speaker 1>something via you know, subtractive manufacturing. But this is a

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<v Speaker 1>third way. This is the way of the wombat where

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<v Speaker 1>it is it is It is formed through the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the excretion process of the lower intestines. So this would

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<v Speaker 1>be not cutting a cube, not molding a cube, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>pinching a cue cube yeah, pinching cube and then excreting

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<v Speaker 1>a cube. Now you're probably wondering, well, what is the

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<v Speaker 1>why of all of this? Right, if the wombat is

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<v Speaker 1>doing something entirely different with its poop, there has to

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<v Speaker 1>be a reason. Well, scientists believe it comes down to

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that these burrowing nocturnal herbivores depend largely on

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<v Speaker 1>their sense of smell. They largely communicate by smell, and therefore,

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<v Speaker 1>like various other animals that are also smell dependent, their

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<v Speaker 1>fecal matter is their calling card. I mean, you have

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<v Speaker 1>a dog, you know how the how they behave that

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<v Speaker 1>the sort of the the the the heightened importance of

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<v Speaker 1>fecal matter in the dog world. Yeah, out on a

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<v Speaker 1>walk in the neighborhood. Poop is like a Facebook status update.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, you know that you're interested, you want to

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<v Speaker 1>check it out, Like we just see something we don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to step in. Maybe the in the sense data

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<v Speaker 1>there is just telling us not to step in it.

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<v Speaker 1>But to a dog with heightened, far heightened sensibilities, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of data in the sense emerging from that poop.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting stuff. And so while it's something like a

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<v Speaker 1>while something like a cat hides its poop because it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't want to be known to either it's many prey

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<v Speaker 1>animals or it's many predators. Wombats are a different matter. Today.

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<v Speaker 1>Wombats don't have many natural predators, uh so certainly adult wombats,

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<v Speaker 1>and they use their piled feces to mark territory and

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<v Speaker 1>to communicate with other wombats. And and they don't live

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<v Speaker 1>on a prairie. Their ups and down to the topography

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<v Speaker 1>of their natural habitat. And placing their poops at higher

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<v Speaker 1>elevations such as a tops, some rocks, on top of

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<v Speaker 1>a log, or on a ledge, it makes it stand

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<v Speaker 1>out more visually to other wombats. And again they don't

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<v Speaker 1>have great great a sense of sight, but still you

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<v Speaker 1>put it up there on a ledge, more wombats are

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<v Speaker 1>able to see it, and then the wombats can come

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<v Speaker 1>in and take a more informed a smell of the

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<v Speaker 1>wombat poop and learn something about about its maker. So

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<v Speaker 1>the wombat rectum is sort of designed by evolution to

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<v Speaker 1>create poop monuments like testaments to the will of the

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<v Speaker 1>wombat that occupies this territory, poop that stays put basically,

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<v Speaker 1>which is interestingly quite the exact opposite of the round

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<v Speaker 1>goat feces and many of you've probably seen emerging from

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<v Speaker 1>the rear end of a goat, which is believed to

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<v Speaker 1>have evolved to roll downhill and essentially self hide in

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<v Speaker 1>hilly or mountainous terrain, so as better maybe to throw

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<v Speaker 1>off a cougar that could be pursuing yours. Right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like for the goat, it's better that the poop just

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<v Speaker 1>gets lost, but for the wombat, the wombat has very

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<v Speaker 1>specific needs. They require the poop to remain in sight

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<v Speaker 1>and to be found. And so yeah, it's basically with

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<v Speaker 1>the wombats, it's it's highly adaptive to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>poop cubes that stay put. It's part of their language

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<v Speaker 1>of expression. Now, naturally there are potential bio mimetic possibilities here.

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<v Speaker 1>In the future, yet, says, we might see human created

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<v Speaker 1>cubes produced not by molding or cutting, but by this

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<v Speaker 1>sort of excretion. So I can't help but wonder if

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<v Speaker 1>this will be the future of our Valentine's Day chocolates.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, like a like a mechanical industrial anus for

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<v Speaker 1>pooping out chocolate and exactly that shape, exactly delicious. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's the Physics Prize, and uh yeah, I just love

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<v Speaker 1>this story because wombats are such interesting creatures and and

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<v Speaker 1>this is ultimately extremely insightful like this is this is

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<v Speaker 1>not this is something that, yes, it's laughable because it's

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<v Speaker 1>poop poop from a cute marsupial, But on the other hand,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it really it illustrates something amazing about evolution, and

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<v Speaker 1>it also highlights where we might go in the future

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to making cubicle candy. And if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to learn more about this, Patricia Yang also has

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<v Speaker 1>a website Patricia Yang dot net. Excellent. Well, maybe we

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<v Speaker 1>should take a quick break and then when we come

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<v Speaker 1>back we can talk about dirty money. All right, we're

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<v Speaker 1>back dirty money. This is this year's Economics Prize for

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<v Speaker 1>the IGNO Bells. This went to Habibkadek, Timothy A. Voss,

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<v Speaker 1>and Andreas Voss for testing which country's paper money is

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<v Speaker 1>best at transmitting dangerous bacteria. The paper was called Money

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<v Speaker 1>and Transmission of Bacteria in Anti Microbial Resistance and Infection

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<v Speaker 1>Control in and So the authors here start out with

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty obvious fact. Cash gets handled a lot. It

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<v Speaker 1>changes hands. You touch it, I touch it. Tom Atkins

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<v Speaker 1>probably touched it. Ted goes to the bathroom and then

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<v Speaker 1>he touches it. You sneeze, then you handle it. Then

0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:35.440
<v Speaker 1>you pay for your lunch with it. Somebody pays me

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<v Speaker 1>the gambling debts they owe me with that same money.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like a pretty obvious vector for disease transmission.

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<v Speaker 1>When you were a kid, you probably heard this, and

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<v Speaker 1>if you, like me, are a parent, you've probably said this,

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<v Speaker 1>don't put that money in your mouth. It's filthy, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, for some reason, when I was reading about

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<v Speaker 1>this research, the thing that kept popping into my mind

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<v Speaker 1>is that episode of Parks and Recreation where you find

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<v Speaker 1>out that all the pawnees sit us drink from water

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<v Speaker 1>fountains by putting their mouth over the fountain part. I

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<v Speaker 1>had completely forgotten about this until you mentioned it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there was also a skit from the Upright Citizens Brigade right, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that we can't go into full detail about here, but

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<v Speaker 1>you can probably figure it out. Somebody who chose to

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<v Speaker 1>pay for things with the fouled pennies that they themselves

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<v Speaker 1>had intentionally be fouled. Right. But as we know, not

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<v Speaker 1>all physical substrata are equally hospitable to germs So the

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<v Speaker 1>authors here tested different national currencies to see how well

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<v Speaker 1>they transmitted various multi drug resistant bacteria, including methicillin resistance

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<v Speaker 1>Staffylococcus aureus or m R s a UH, an extended

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<v Speaker 1>spectrum of beta lactomaces producing E. Coli and vancomycin resistant,

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<v Speaker 1>and Tero coxi or vr E. So here's the method.

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<v Speaker 1>The author has got a bunch of different bank notes

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<v Speaker 1>from different countries, including the euro, the US dollar, can

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<v Speaker 1>Adian dollar, the Croatian kuna, the Romanian lou, the Moroccan

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<v Speaker 1>deer ham, and the Indian rupee. And they first of

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<v Speaker 1>course started off sterilizing the cash with UV radiation. You

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to bring in any pre existing germs, uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they inoculated the money with incubated strains of the

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<v Speaker 1>bacteria they were testing, and then the cash was left

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<v Speaker 1>out to dry for several lengths of time, I think

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<v Speaker 1>three hours, six hours, and twenty four hours. And then

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<v Speaker 1>the experimenters tested which bank notes allowed bacterial colonies to

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<v Speaker 1>survive after the various drying periods. And then in the

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<v Speaker 1>second experiment, they also tested the effects of people rubbing

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<v Speaker 1>the bank notes with sanitized hands. Would the would the

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<v Speaker 1>bacteria transfer from the infected bank notes to people's hands.

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<v Speaker 1>So which money came out on top? Well, the Romanian

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<v Speaker 1>lou was one of the most germ friendly. It yielded

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<v Speaker 1>all three drug resistant pathogens after three and six hours

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<v Speaker 1>of drying, and it was the only currency that still

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<v Speaker 1>had a path the gen after a full day of drying,

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<v Speaker 1>and that pathogen was vr E. The Canadian and US

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<v Speaker 1>dollar yielded only m R s A. So I assume

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<v Speaker 1>it's the U S money that Scrooge McDuck swims through

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<v Speaker 1>in his vault. Oh well, maybe he had it purified,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because I've always heard the scroogeman Duck was

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<v Speaker 1>actually a bit of a germophobe. Oh yeah, they take

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<v Speaker 1>after Howard use. Yeah. Okay. So the Euro yielded only

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<v Speaker 1>the E. Coli strain after three and six hours, and

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<v Speaker 1>vr E after three hours, the Rupie only v R E.

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<v Speaker 1>The Croatian Kuna did not yield any of the pathogens

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<v Speaker 1>at any period. So in the second stage of the experiment,

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<v Speaker 1>they studied the transmission of bacteria from bank notes to

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<v Speaker 1>hands after rubbing. The Euro did not transmit bacteria to hands,

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<v Speaker 1>but the US dollar and the Romanian Lou did, and

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<v Speaker 1>they make sure to point out that all the money

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<v Speaker 1>was sterilized with UV radiation after the testing, so it

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<v Speaker 1>was safe to return to circulation. Uh. And the author

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<v Speaker 1>there's also a point out that this means the type

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<v Speaker 1>of bank note paper in circulation could have epidemiological implications.

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<v Speaker 1>They think major variables here are probably like the materials

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<v Speaker 1>used in creating the fiber of the bank notes. The

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<v Speaker 1>Romanian lou, for instance, which seemed to be the most

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<v Speaker 1>germ friendly, has plastic content that is designed to improve

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<v Speaker 1>durability and make it harder to counterfeit, but it also

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<v Speaker 1>seems to create a more pathogen friendly environment that many

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<v Speaker 1>of the other fibers and materials used in paper money

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<v Speaker 1>don't create. So this would be like the when we've

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<v Speaker 1>we've ever handled currency that basically has like a little

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<v Speaker 1>clear plastic windows in it. Uh. Yeah, it could be that,

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<v Speaker 1>or it could be more spread out through I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know exactly what's going on with the Romanian loop, but

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<v Speaker 1>it has polymer content that apparently is germ friendly or

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<v Speaker 1>even you know, not just German friendly, but like antibiotic

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<v Speaker 1>resistant germ friendly. But the Croatian kuna, you can take

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<v Speaker 1>that and just stick it directly in your mouth. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I wouldn't recommend that, but it seems like

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<v Speaker 1>in this particular test the kuna turned out very well.

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe this is something other countries should consider and

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<v Speaker 1>test out when designing the next generation of paper notes.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe take some inspiration from how the Croatian kuna has made.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems to be an inhospitable environment for all of

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<v Speaker 1>the pathogens tested. I don't know if this is something

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<v Speaker 1>that has ever even figured into currency design before, have

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<v Speaker 1>like they ever considered how well currency transmits bacteria and

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<v Speaker 1>just how gross money is. Yeah, I mean, granted there

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<v Speaker 1>is less of it that is used on a daily

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<v Speaker 1>basis for many populations, uh, you know, using our cards

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<v Speaker 1>more often, electronic payments, etcetera. But still there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of cash out there, and it's troubling to think about how,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, how dirty it is that you get sick

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<v Speaker 1>for money? Uh, you know, not in a spiritual sense,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think we're all accustomed to, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in an actual biological sense. You know, even if it's kuna,

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<v Speaker 1>I just say, don't put money in your mouth. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>put it in there, Okay. So also I wanted to

0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:06.760
<v Speaker 1>talk about one, not for a long time. Just a

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<v Speaker 1>quick look at the two thousand nineteen Anatomy Prize which

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<v Speaker 1>was awarded to Roger Musette and Boris bin Gudufa for

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<v Speaker 1>measuring scrotal temperature asymmetry in naked and clothed postmen in France.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's not just postman this. They still they study

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<v Speaker 1>bus drivers too, and then people whose professions you don't

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<v Speaker 1>even know. Uh. The original research was published in the

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<v Speaker 1>journal Human Reproduction in two thousand seven. So humans are

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<v Speaker 1>mammals showing bilaterally symmetrical anatomy. If you split us in

0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:43.800
<v Speaker 1>half lengthwise, you will mostly see the halves as mirror

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<v Speaker 1>images of one another. But we're not perfect examples of

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<v Speaker 1>bilateral symmetry. You've got internal organs that are oriented off center.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe the heart is a little more to one side,

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<v Speaker 1>the liver more to the other, and so forth. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And apparently this extends to some aspects of the human scrotum.

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<v Speaker 1>So the authors here begin by noting a discrepancy in

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<v Speaker 1>the anatomical literature. Is the human scrotum on average hotter

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<v Speaker 1>on one side than the other. Uh? Some previous reports

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<v Speaker 1>said that it's equally hot on both sides, while others

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<v Speaker 1>reported that the left side of the scrotum is generally

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<v Speaker 1>hotter than the right. Interesting, and of course this comes

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<v Speaker 1>down to the fact that, of course, on one side

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<v Speaker 1>is one testicle, on the other side is the other testicle.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course part of the whole uh design of

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<v Speaker 1>the testicles has to do with the fact that there's

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<v Speaker 1>a there's an importance of maintaining certain temperatures. Absolutely, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean this is highly reproductively significant information. Temperature of the

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<v Speaker 1>male reproductive organs plays a role in gamme eat production

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<v Speaker 1>and thus in fertility. So in fact, the major biological

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<v Speaker 1>purpose of the scrotum, as you alluded to, seems to

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<v Speaker 1>be thermoregulation to move the testicles near or away from

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<v Speaker 1>the body to help keep them as close to optimal

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<v Speaker 1>temperature as possible. Yeah, this is why sometimes if if

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<v Speaker 1>fertility doctors may ask, okay, are you are you going

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<v Speaker 1>to a hot tub all the time? Do you have

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<v Speaker 1>a really hot laptop setting on your lap a lot?

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<v Speaker 1>You know these sorts of questions because you know they

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<v Speaker 1>are susceptible to outside temperatures exactly. So, the authors here

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to get new data to help clear up these

0:22:18.480 --> 0:22:23.159
<v Speaker 1>discrepant reports, and so their methods were quote retrospective analyzes

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<v Speaker 1>of scrotal temperatures in mid age twenty to fifty two years,

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<v Speaker 1>measured every two minutes with probes connected to a data

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<v Speaker 1>collector in three experiments, so three different experiments. They tested

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<v Speaker 1>this out both naked and clothed in a number of

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<v Speaker 1>different body positions. They also tested it on yes postal

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<v Speaker 1>workers who were working in a standing position for ninety

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<v Speaker 1>minutes at a time, and they also tested out on

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<v Speaker 1>bus drivers who were working in a sitting position for

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<v Speaker 1>ninety minutes at a time, and they found that, especially

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<v Speaker 1>in the clothed state, left scrotal temperature was higher, significantly

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<v Speaker 1>higher than right scrotal temperature. Now why is this? They

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<v Speaker 1>offered a number of possible explanations, including differences in blood

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<v Speaker 1>flow and cutaneous heat receptors, bilateral differences in testicular volume,

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<v Speaker 1>so if like one testicle is bigger than the other,

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<v Speaker 1>that might also affect temperature. But then finally, one thing

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<v Speaker 1>they pointed out as a possible explanation is the resting

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<v Speaker 1>position of the penis, which really seems to naturally go

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<v Speaker 1>more one to one side than the other, and they

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<v Speaker 1>signed a study from nine by Bogart at All that

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<v Speaker 1>found that the penis is naturally positioned to the left

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<v Speaker 1>in about eighty nine percent of cases. So really it

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<v Speaker 1>was an inside job the whole time. It seems very

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<v Speaker 1>likely to be. This study is really interesting to and

0:23:46.480 --> 0:23:48.600
<v Speaker 1>it is looking at like the clothed human and the

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<v Speaker 1>naked human, especially because you really have to think at

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<v Speaker 1>times like how, how to what extent does clothing, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>change the definition of the biological experience? You know, oh sure,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, clothing is a technological innovation. It comes fairly recently,

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<v Speaker 1>and our evolutionary history is reasonable to say this might

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<v Speaker 1>somewhat change our reproductive behaviors and and how the body's

0:24:14.080 --> 0:24:17.600
<v Speaker 1>reproductive organs respond to the environment. So like part of

0:24:17.640 --> 0:24:21.359
<v Speaker 1>the environment our bodies were shaped for might not necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>be having like the testicles tightly packed against the body

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<v Speaker 1>within some kind of container all the time, right right though,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean to our credit like that that I think

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<v Speaker 1>was a huge accomplishment. Like if you think back to

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<v Speaker 1>a time when when human you know, human beings did

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<v Speaker 1>not have underwear, meaning they did not have as much

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<v Speaker 1>control on like how tightly bound parts of their body

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<v Speaker 1>were to their person. These are things that can get

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<v Speaker 1>in the way of say, chasing after prey or doing

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<v Speaker 1>you know, any kind of physical activity. Sure, but you're

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<v Speaker 1>saying there pluses and minuses. I think so, yeah, But

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<v Speaker 1>then you know the other side is, like the human body,

0:24:58.080 --> 0:25:01.480
<v Speaker 1>the testicles have evolved so that they are there's a

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<v Speaker 1>self regulation of temperature. Uh. The scrotum is supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>be the one in charge of how closely compact the

0:25:08.000 --> 0:25:11.639
<v Speaker 1>testicles are, not the individual who picks out their underwear

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning. Right, So obviously this is a study.

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<v Speaker 1>We can all identify why this study is hilarious because

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<v Speaker 1>he's dealing with French postman with or without their underwear on,

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<v Speaker 1>and temperature differences between one testicle and the bus drivers too. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's even funnier actually if you start reading into

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<v Speaker 1>the like their full explanation of their methods, because they

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<v Speaker 1>talk about, uh, like the methods that are used to

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<v Speaker 1>determine testicular volume. There are like units of measure for that,

0:25:38.800 --> 0:25:42.960
<v Speaker 1>and I think like special special apparatus, uh, some that's

0:25:43.000 --> 0:25:45.679
<v Speaker 1>called like an orchidometer or something. This is the probe

0:25:45.720 --> 0:25:48.560
<v Speaker 1>that was mentioned. No, I think that I think the orchidometer.

0:25:50.440 --> 0:25:53.280
<v Speaker 1>The problem is something like that, it's to measure testicular volume.

0:25:53.680 --> 0:25:56.159
<v Speaker 1>I don't know exactly what the deal with the probe was.

0:25:56.600 --> 0:25:59.680
<v Speaker 1>They didn't like have a diagram that I found. But still, again,

0:25:59.680 --> 0:26:04.000
<v Speaker 1>this gets down to human biology re reductive system. So

0:26:04.280 --> 0:26:06.720
<v Speaker 1>it is an important study. Sure. I mean, as we

0:26:06.760 --> 0:26:10.560
<v Speaker 1>said at the beginning, of testicular temperature is reproductively significant.

0:26:10.640 --> 0:26:14.120
<v Speaker 1>This could be useful in a clinical setting when studying

0:26:14.160 --> 0:26:17.720
<v Speaker 1>things about fertility, right. I mean, it's not impossible to

0:26:17.800 --> 0:26:22.119
<v Speaker 1>imagine it could influence underwear design in the future either,

0:26:22.560 --> 0:26:25.439
<v Speaker 1>either reasonably so with you know a situation where a

0:26:25.480 --> 0:26:28.480
<v Speaker 1>doctor is saying, like, okay, we it makes more sense

0:26:28.560 --> 0:26:31.320
<v Speaker 1>for both testicles to be the same temperature, so we're

0:26:31.359 --> 0:26:33.960
<v Speaker 1>going to create underwear in which the penis is positioned

0:26:34.720 --> 0:26:38.800
<v Speaker 1>out of the way of the testicles, or perhaps more likely,

0:26:38.840 --> 0:26:41.000
<v Speaker 1>you have a situation where somebody who just wants to

0:26:41.040 --> 0:26:45.000
<v Speaker 1>sell some underwear looks at this study and this starts saying, Hey,

0:26:45.200 --> 0:26:47.880
<v Speaker 1>you don't want to be one of those asymmetrical testical

0:26:47.920 --> 0:26:51.720
<v Speaker 1>temperature people. You want to have both testicles the same temperature,

0:26:51.720 --> 0:26:53.480
<v Speaker 1>and the only way you're gonna do that is by

0:26:53.480 --> 0:26:57.840
<v Speaker 1>buying this special pair of thirty dollar underwear well against

0:26:57.920 --> 0:27:01.879
<v Speaker 1>that person's marketing concerns. I think the study found that

0:27:01.920 --> 0:27:04.760
<v Speaker 1>while the I think the major differences were when people

0:27:04.800 --> 0:27:08.439
<v Speaker 1>were clothed, but they're also were some asymmetries even when

0:27:08.480 --> 0:27:11.159
<v Speaker 1>people were naked, depending on like what position they were in.

0:27:11.640 --> 0:27:13.119
<v Speaker 1>All right, well, on that note, we're going to take

0:27:13.160 --> 0:27:16.400
<v Speaker 1>another break, but when we come back we will discuss

0:27:16.680 --> 0:27:24.560
<v Speaker 1>diaper changing machines. Alright, we're back. Why does the idea

0:27:24.680 --> 0:27:30.320
<v Speaker 1>of a mechanical diaper changer horrify me? Yes, it horrifies me,

0:27:30.840 --> 0:27:35.720
<v Speaker 1>and yet it is also I think a grand goal

0:27:36.040 --> 0:27:40.439
<v Speaker 1>in human technology. Yeah, that's kind of utopian. It's like,

0:27:40.520 --> 0:27:43.320
<v Speaker 1>at the same time enticing and terrifying. It's a thing

0:27:43.400 --> 0:27:46.160
<v Speaker 1>that you want but you know you should not have.

0:27:46.840 --> 0:27:49.200
<v Speaker 1>It is the very sort of thing that Jeff Goldblum's

0:27:49.240 --> 0:27:53.639
<v Speaker 1>character in Jurassic Park would be irate over right. They

0:27:53.680 --> 0:27:55.560
<v Speaker 1>were so concerned with whether or not they could they

0:27:55.560 --> 0:27:59.280
<v Speaker 1>didn't stop to think if they should exactly. So, I've

0:27:59.359 --> 0:28:01.840
<v Speaker 1>changed a few papers in my time, and uh, and

0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:04.320
<v Speaker 1>I think I've even wondered about the possibility of a

0:28:04.400 --> 0:28:06.760
<v Speaker 1>robot robotic diaper changer. It's the kind of thing you

0:28:06.840 --> 0:28:12.159
<v Speaker 1>fantasize about as you are essentially wrestling with an infant

0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:15.440
<v Speaker 1>or a toddler, and especially the infant, trying to to

0:28:15.440 --> 0:28:18.480
<v Speaker 1>to get at the foul diaper off of them, all

0:28:18.480 --> 0:28:21.000
<v Speaker 1>the while keeping them from say, getting their own foot

0:28:21.240 --> 0:28:24.679
<v Speaker 1>into the poop, uh or and then then flinging the

0:28:24.720 --> 0:28:27.800
<v Speaker 1>poop on the wall with said foot, trying to avoid

0:28:27.840 --> 0:28:30.920
<v Speaker 1>being pete upon, especially if it's a boy, and then

0:28:31.119 --> 0:28:33.679
<v Speaker 1>if there's a girl. There are other concerns about about

0:28:33.680 --> 0:28:36.280
<v Speaker 1>where and where you don't want poop. It's it's it

0:28:36.440 --> 0:28:38.640
<v Speaker 1>is a high. You know, we talked before about how

0:28:38.720 --> 0:28:42.560
<v Speaker 1>driving is a cognitively demanding task. Changing a baby's diaper

0:28:42.640 --> 0:28:46.400
<v Speaker 1>is a cognitively demanding task, and uh, and so you

0:28:46.400 --> 0:28:49.000
<v Speaker 1>you you fantasize, you think, I really wish a robot

0:28:49.000 --> 0:28:50.320
<v Speaker 1>could come in here and do this. But on the

0:28:50.360 --> 0:28:52.560
<v Speaker 1>other hand, I don't think a robot could. And I

0:28:52.560 --> 0:28:54.120
<v Speaker 1>feel like this has also been exit. I feel like

0:28:54.120 --> 0:28:57.280
<v Speaker 1>that the Jetson's probably had a diaper changing robot. I

0:28:57.280 --> 0:28:59.000
<v Speaker 1>could find no evidence of it, but I feel like

0:28:59.040 --> 0:29:02.240
<v Speaker 1>this idea has also worked its way into fiction in

0:29:02.240 --> 0:29:07.280
<v Speaker 1>the past, and so this year's Ignal bells. The engineering prize,

0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:11.920
<v Speaker 1>in fact went to Iranian inventor I'm men of Fara

0:29:11.960 --> 0:29:16.160
<v Speaker 1>Bakas for inventing a diaper changing machine for use on

0:29:16.280 --> 0:29:20.160
<v Speaker 1>human infants. Now, this is a patent. It's US patent

0:29:20.240 --> 0:29:23.720
<v Speaker 1>number one zero zero three four five two, granted on

0:29:23.920 --> 0:29:27.080
<v Speaker 1>July thirty one, two thousand eighteen. And I'm going to

0:29:27.200 --> 0:29:31.040
<v Speaker 1>read to you from the abstract quote. A washer and

0:29:31.160 --> 0:29:34.680
<v Speaker 1>diaper changing apparatus includes a main chamber, a glass window,

0:29:34.840 --> 0:29:37.880
<v Speaker 1>a seat, a leg holder, a safety belt, a diaper

0:29:37.960 --> 0:29:41.440
<v Speaker 1>removing arm, a sprinkler, and a dryer. The main chamber

0:29:41.520 --> 0:29:45.200
<v Speaker 1>is configured to receive an infant therein. The glass window

0:29:45.320 --> 0:29:47.880
<v Speaker 1>is placed on a top wall of the main chamber.

0:29:48.240 --> 0:29:51.080
<v Speaker 1>The seat is movably coupled to the main chamber and

0:29:51.120 --> 0:29:53.760
<v Speaker 1>configured for placement of the infant on the seat. The

0:29:53.880 --> 0:29:56.440
<v Speaker 1>leg holder is movably coupled to the main chamber and

0:29:56.520 --> 0:29:58.920
<v Speaker 1>configured to support at least one leg of the infant.

0:29:59.240 --> 0:30:01.600
<v Speaker 1>The safety belt coupled to the seat and configured to

0:30:01.680 --> 0:30:04.520
<v Speaker 1>retain the infant on the seat. The sprinkler is placed

0:30:04.720 --> 0:30:07.520
<v Speaker 1>inside the main chamber and configured to spray water to

0:30:07.640 --> 0:30:10.400
<v Speaker 1>wash at least a portion of the infant, at least

0:30:10.480 --> 0:30:13.240
<v Speaker 1>a portion of the infant. Yes, like some too, I

0:30:13.280 --> 0:30:15.600
<v Speaker 1>guess all of the infant. Why why am I? Why

0:30:15.640 --> 0:30:19.280
<v Speaker 1>am I picturing those like sealed up self cleaning public

0:30:19.440 --> 0:30:22.520
<v Speaker 1>bathrooms that got in some places like it came across

0:30:22.560 --> 0:30:24.680
<v Speaker 1>these in Switzerland. I don't know I've seen one of these.

0:30:24.960 --> 0:30:27.520
<v Speaker 1>It's like a public bathroom. You go in, it's a

0:30:27.560 --> 0:30:30.520
<v Speaker 1>small little building, and then you use the toilet, and

0:30:30.560 --> 0:30:32.560
<v Speaker 1>then when you're done, like the door shuts and like

0:30:32.680 --> 0:30:34.880
<v Speaker 1>a light comes on outside and it says like cleaning.

0:30:35.200 --> 0:30:38.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, that sounds remarkable. I guess they're a little robotic.

0:30:38.960 --> 0:30:41.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, sprayers and wipers and stuff in there.

0:30:41.160 --> 0:30:43.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what happens on the inside. I couldn't see.

0:30:43.640 --> 0:30:46.640
<v Speaker 1>Surely somebody has has trapped themselves and found out, I

0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:49.240
<v Speaker 1>should hope. So I have to admit. What it made

0:30:49.280 --> 0:30:51.760
<v Speaker 1>me think of was the surgery pod in the sci

0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:56.200
<v Speaker 1>fi horror film Prometheus. Uh. Horrifying scene, but I think

0:30:56.240 --> 0:30:58.200
<v Speaker 1>actually one of the most effective parts of the movie.

0:30:58.360 --> 0:31:01.240
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, because if if you haven't seen it. Basically,

0:31:01.320 --> 0:31:05.000
<v Speaker 1>the idea is that it is a surgery pod created

0:31:05.040 --> 0:31:10.200
<v Speaker 1>for a specific male individual and an elderly individual, and

0:31:10.880 --> 0:31:12.720
<v Speaker 1>the supposed to take care of any needs that that

0:31:12.840 --> 0:31:16.600
<v Speaker 1>individual has. And then our heroine in the film eventually

0:31:16.680 --> 0:31:19.600
<v Speaker 1>has to use it to remove a zeno more from herself.

0:31:19.960 --> 0:31:23.840
<v Speaker 1>But she's having to sort of uh improvise with the machine,

0:31:24.000 --> 0:31:27.760
<v Speaker 1>and it's terrifying, just like not so much even. I mean,

0:31:27.800 --> 0:31:30.280
<v Speaker 1>certainly it's terrifying when the thing starts cutting into her,

0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:33.480
<v Speaker 1>but just her climbing into it realizing what's about to happen,

0:31:34.120 --> 0:31:38.680
<v Speaker 1>makes for some some great sci fi horror. Uh so yes,

0:31:38.800 --> 0:31:42.040
<v Speaker 1>I thought about that throughout reading this patent. However, the

0:31:42.040 --> 0:31:45.560
<v Speaker 1>pattern does have some sketches, and when you look at them,

0:31:46.080 --> 0:31:48.840
<v Speaker 1>the design looks less like a high tech surgery pod

0:31:49.240 --> 0:31:52.840
<v Speaker 1>and more like a washing machine or an oven dishwasher.

0:31:53.000 --> 0:31:56.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, a dishwasher, not a washing machine. Yeah,

0:31:56.520 --> 0:31:58.000
<v Speaker 1>it's like a front loader, but it doesn't have a

0:31:58.040 --> 0:32:01.360
<v Speaker 1>spin cycle, not to this version. Maybe a future model

0:32:01.400 --> 0:32:06.880
<v Speaker 1>will so um A man of Patobakas is an associate

0:32:06.960 --> 0:32:11.160
<v Speaker 1>professor of Islamic Azad University in Iran, and his engineering

0:32:11.280 --> 0:32:16.080
<v Speaker 1>research involves nanostructures and nanoparticles. So he's so this is

0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:20.480
<v Speaker 1>a legit engineer here that has developed this. Uh, And

0:32:20.600 --> 0:32:23.520
<v Speaker 1>here's a little more from his patent quote. The apparatus

0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:26.720
<v Speaker 1>may be said to be automatic, and some implementations in

0:32:26.840 --> 0:32:29.720
<v Speaker 1>that once the infant is placed inside the apparatus, various

0:32:29.720 --> 0:32:33.000
<v Speaker 1>steps may in some cases be carried out automatically without

0:32:33.160 --> 0:32:36.320
<v Speaker 1>needing the operator to touch the infant or interact manually

0:32:36.400 --> 0:32:39.640
<v Speaker 1>with the diaper or infant during the changing process, which

0:32:39.720 --> 0:32:43.320
<v Speaker 1>may create a more sanitary environment for the ambient area

0:32:43.560 --> 0:32:47.520
<v Speaker 1>and the operator's hands. So I I looked for more

0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:50.160
<v Speaker 1>background on this concept and I wasn't able to find

0:32:50.480 --> 0:32:53.000
<v Speaker 1>much to really shed light on just like how serious

0:32:53.080 --> 0:32:55.200
<v Speaker 1>he is with the proposal as and you know not

0:32:55.400 --> 0:32:57.560
<v Speaker 1>as and is he does he seriously see this as

0:32:57.600 --> 0:33:00.920
<v Speaker 1>a place our technology will get to the human lifespan?

0:33:01.080 --> 0:33:03.400
<v Speaker 1>Or is this more of a sort of an engineering

0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:06.920
<v Speaker 1>thought experiment. If you could create this thing that we

0:33:07.040 --> 0:33:09.960
<v Speaker 1>sometimes fantasize about existing, how might we go about it?

0:33:10.080 --> 0:33:13.120
<v Speaker 1>What might an apparatus like that look like? Sure? Because

0:33:13.200 --> 0:33:17.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean again jokes asiety. As you mentioned earlier on,

0:33:17.440 --> 0:33:20.240
<v Speaker 1>it is a job that people really probably would like

0:33:20.320 --> 0:33:22.719
<v Speaker 1>to outsource if they felt they could do it safely,

0:33:23.080 --> 0:33:25.520
<v Speaker 1>and if it if it is a thought experiment, though,

0:33:25.840 --> 0:33:27.960
<v Speaker 1>it is kind of a perfect thing to think about

0:33:28.240 --> 0:33:34.080
<v Speaker 1>when contemplating the idea of having machines that operate alongside

0:33:34.200 --> 0:33:37.800
<v Speaker 1>humans or upon humans in a human environment, because I

0:33:38.160 --> 0:33:42.000
<v Speaker 1>can think of very few examples of such a highly

0:33:42.080 --> 0:33:45.720
<v Speaker 1>sensitive and specialized job for a machine than changing the

0:33:45.760 --> 0:33:48.960
<v Speaker 1>diaper of an infant, because granted, we desire a mechanical

0:33:49.040 --> 0:33:52.560
<v Speaker 1>baby changer, because number one, it's a gross job. Number two,

0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:56.320
<v Speaker 1>it can be challenging or frustrating to do, and number three,

0:33:56.680 --> 0:33:59.560
<v Speaker 1>it absolutely has to be done. Yeah, it is a

0:33:59.720 --> 0:34:03.200
<v Speaker 1>job that is in extremely high demand and nobody wants

0:34:03.280 --> 0:34:06.440
<v Speaker 1>to do. And certainly we've already thrown machines at jobs

0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:09.160
<v Speaker 1>that felt that all three of these bullet points, such

0:34:09.239 --> 0:34:12.520
<v Speaker 1>as sewer cleaning robots, you know, creating some sort of

0:34:12.640 --> 0:34:16.160
<v Speaker 1>a mechanical device that goes through like a pipe and

0:34:16.239 --> 0:34:18.200
<v Speaker 1>helps clean it out or at least go down there

0:34:18.200 --> 0:34:20.920
<v Speaker 1>and look and see what the clog might be. But

0:34:21.480 --> 0:34:24.520
<v Speaker 1>there's far less risk in cleaning a sewer, right right, Yeah,

0:34:24.680 --> 0:34:27.319
<v Speaker 1>unlike a clog in a city sewer system, a human

0:34:27.400 --> 0:34:30.200
<v Speaker 1>infant is one the most valuable thing in your life.

0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:34.480
<v Speaker 1>Number two, it's afforded legal protection like it is a

0:34:34.600 --> 0:34:37.480
<v Speaker 1>person and if you if you don't take care of

0:34:37.560 --> 0:34:42.399
<v Speaker 1>it correctly, you could go to prison. And also it's

0:34:42.440 --> 0:34:45.239
<v Speaker 1>susceptible to pain and injury. Getting more into the personhood part,

0:34:45.320 --> 0:34:48.360
<v Speaker 1>like this is this this is a human child and

0:34:48.480 --> 0:34:51.840
<v Speaker 1>not a sewer clock. However, like a clock, the baby

0:34:52.120 --> 0:34:54.839
<v Speaker 1>is limited in its ability to fend for itself, which

0:34:55.480 --> 0:34:58.439
<v Speaker 1>which I think also ties into the horror of letting

0:34:58.480 --> 0:35:01.040
<v Speaker 1>the machine have a go at the diaper. Now, granted,

0:35:01.080 --> 0:35:03.800
<v Speaker 1>we already live in an age of robot assisted surgery,

0:35:04.160 --> 0:35:07.040
<v Speaker 1>such as various you know, prostate surgeries, but in these

0:35:07.120 --> 0:35:10.440
<v Speaker 1>cases we're talking about the machine having an advantage in

0:35:10.520 --> 0:35:13.640
<v Speaker 1>a in its ability to use tiny instruments that humans

0:35:13.719 --> 0:35:17.799
<v Speaker 1>would would have, you know, a little more difficulty operating.

0:35:18.400 --> 0:35:20.960
<v Speaker 1>And then there's also going to be a human operator

0:35:21.000 --> 0:35:22.880
<v Speaker 1>in the room for those and I guess presumably with

0:35:22.960 --> 0:35:25.720
<v Speaker 1>this diaper changing device, the language of it tend tends

0:35:25.719 --> 0:35:28.440
<v Speaker 1>to imply that it's sort of hands off, or it

0:35:28.480 --> 0:35:32.279
<v Speaker 1>could be hands off the robotic baby changer. However, it

0:35:32.360 --> 0:35:35.520
<v Speaker 1>doesn't really benefit from tiny tools. It doesn't really have

0:35:35.640 --> 0:35:39.600
<v Speaker 1>an advantage over human hands or more specifically, human ability

0:35:39.680 --> 0:35:41.839
<v Speaker 1>to roll with what is often a puzzle again. How

0:35:41.920 --> 0:35:44.080
<v Speaker 1>to wipe the poop without the child getting a foot

0:35:44.120 --> 0:35:46.160
<v Speaker 1>in the poop, how not to be pete upon, how

0:35:46.200 --> 0:35:48.760
<v Speaker 1>to keep the child from rolling over, grabbing the diaper

0:35:49.120 --> 0:35:52.960
<v Speaker 1>and flinging it, etcetera. You've ever performed this task, you

0:35:53.000 --> 0:35:55.160
<v Speaker 1>know that a lot of things can go wrong and

0:35:55.320 --> 0:35:58.120
<v Speaker 1>will go wrong on the diaper changing table. Yeah, I mean,

0:35:58.200 --> 0:36:00.920
<v Speaker 1>I see a huge difference here in that robot assisted

0:36:01.000 --> 0:36:04.800
<v Speaker 1>surgery is not for the purpose of allowing the doctor

0:36:04.920 --> 0:36:07.440
<v Speaker 1>to not have to do the surgery. Likes to like

0:36:07.680 --> 0:36:11.880
<v Speaker 1>increase the doctor's capability to increase increase the efficiency of

0:36:12.040 --> 0:36:15.160
<v Speaker 1>the surgery. And I do not see a way in

0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:19.480
<v Speaker 1>which having the machine involved improves the efficiency of changing

0:36:19.520 --> 0:36:22.880
<v Speaker 1>a baby's diaper. As such, I would say that this

0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:26.400
<v Speaker 1>sort of machine seems to me to be more of

0:36:26.640 --> 0:36:29.359
<v Speaker 1>an end game of robotics, because creating machines that can

0:36:29.400 --> 0:36:33.160
<v Speaker 1>work alongside us in human habitats, that's challenging. Word, It's

0:36:33.239 --> 0:36:36.360
<v Speaker 1>it's hard to imagine a more challenging place than the

0:36:36.520 --> 0:36:40.640
<v Speaker 1>than the diaper changing station. To throw a machine, uh though,

0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:42.520
<v Speaker 1>that's you know, one of the reasons perhaps that he

0:36:42.640 --> 0:36:44.520
<v Speaker 1>was pursuing the patent, you know, kind of again kind

0:36:44.520 --> 0:36:47.600
<v Speaker 1>of a mechanical thought experiment, and it does serve as

0:36:47.640 --> 0:36:50.719
<v Speaker 1>an interesting way to discuss home robotics. I mean, I

0:36:50.800 --> 0:36:54.239
<v Speaker 1>think this highlights interesting questions about the future of robotics

0:36:54.320 --> 0:36:59.200
<v Speaker 1>and and it reveals our intuitions that that are already

0:36:59.239 --> 0:37:01.279
<v Speaker 1>there about like what are the kinds of places where

0:37:01.400 --> 0:37:05.799
<v Speaker 1>least comfortable with allowing robots to be implemented. I mean,

0:37:05.880 --> 0:37:07.960
<v Speaker 1>even if you came up with a pretty good robotics

0:37:08.000 --> 0:37:11.520
<v Speaker 1>system that worked pretty much all the time, people still

0:37:11.600 --> 0:37:15.320
<v Speaker 1>probably might just not feel comfortable with like allowing robotic

0:37:15.520 --> 0:37:18.759
<v Speaker 1>arms to be moving around near their near their baby, right,

0:37:19.960 --> 0:37:23.000
<v Speaker 1>like one of my very understandable reasons. Yeah, Like like

0:37:23.080 --> 0:37:26.320
<v Speaker 1>one of my I think a very positive area of

0:37:26.760 --> 0:37:30.480
<v Speaker 1>robot exploration is in elder care, particularly in among the

0:37:30.719 --> 0:37:34.359
<v Speaker 1>Japanese robotics companies. And in that case, to you, you're

0:37:34.400 --> 0:37:38.319
<v Speaker 1>looking at aging population with fewer individuals to look after them.

0:37:38.560 --> 0:37:41.840
<v Speaker 1>And also you're dealing with environments where if, for instance,

0:37:41.880 --> 0:37:45.600
<v Speaker 1>if you need help getting up and down from a toilet,

0:37:46.480 --> 0:37:48.399
<v Speaker 1>which is something that you know that that cannon will

0:37:48.440 --> 0:37:52.520
<v Speaker 1>happen with with individual of advanced age, that might be

0:37:52.600 --> 0:37:54.520
<v Speaker 1>the kind of situation where you would say, yes, I

0:37:54.520 --> 0:37:58.000
<v Speaker 1>would prefer to have a robotic helper with to engage

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<v Speaker 1>with me in a situation like that. However, you know

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<v Speaker 1>you're still dealing with you know, you know, a rational

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<v Speaker 1>individual and not a complete infant. Who again, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>so many problems come to mind when you imagine just

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<v Speaker 1>sticking the baby inside of the diaper changing device and

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<v Speaker 1>letting it do its thing. Like best case scenario, you

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<v Speaker 1>put the baby in and you just get an error message.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like trying to operate any printer or all you

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<v Speaker 1>want to do is is get this one thing done,

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<v Speaker 1>But there are a million things that can and do

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<v Speaker 1>go wrong, and you just end up having to do

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<v Speaker 1>something else, change the diaper yourself in this case with printers.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we've talked about this on the show before,

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<v Speaker 1>haven't we. That like printers seem to follow an inverse

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<v Speaker 1>law of technological advancement, where like as most technology becomes

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<v Speaker 1>better and better and more and more user friendly, printers

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<v Speaker 1>always go in the opposite direction, Like every year they

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<v Speaker 1>get worse and more incompatible with everything. Oh yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>last time I went to buy one, I was thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Apple makes pretty good uh computers, got they

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<v Speaker 1>make a pretty good printer. How I'm going to buy

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<v Speaker 1>that printer. I don't care of its over priced, And

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<v Speaker 1>of course they don't make a printer their printers that

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<v Speaker 1>are compatible with their machines. But it's almost as if

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<v Speaker 1>they're like, no, we're not touching that. That's just too complicated.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be bad for our brand a printer. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>do the printer when we do the baby changing robot,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, So we're gonna go ahead and call it there,

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<v Speaker 1>because let's see, we covered pooph We covered more poop,

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<v Speaker 1>more poops, qurotums, bacteria you might associate with poop, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the diaper robots really just a good haul overall. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>once again, we did not cover all of the winners here.

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<v Speaker 1>We didn't even list them. There were some more interesting ones.

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<v Speaker 1>There was one about the health effects of eating pizza,

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<v Speaker 1>specifically Italian pizza made in Italy. Does it prevent cancer?

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff that one get picked up in in the media

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<v Speaker 1>a lot. Yeah. There's another one that I think we

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<v Speaker 1>want to return to at some point, just as a

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<v Speaker 1>follow up to an episode we did earlier this year

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<v Speaker 1>about the facial feedback hypothesis, And this had to do

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<v Speaker 1>with the psychologists involved in early research on the facial

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<v Speaker 1>feedback hypothesis participating in failed replications of their own work,

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<v Speaker 1>and and that leads to an interesting, bigger discussion about

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<v Speaker 1>uh you know, the role, like how you communicate scientific

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<v Speaker 1>validity and whether effects are quote real or not. Uh

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<v Speaker 1>So that's worth revisiting, I think absolutely. If you want

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<v Speaker 1>to check out the full list of twenty nineteen winners.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, if you want to check out the full

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<v Speaker 1>list of all winners from the very beginning of the Ignobles,

0:40:30.200 --> 0:40:34.680
<v Speaker 1>head on over to www. Dot Improbable dot com. That's,

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<v Speaker 1>of course Improbable Research. There the publication that puts out

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<v Speaker 1>the awards each and every year. And if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to check out past episodes of Stuff to Blow your mind,

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<v Speaker 1>go check out our past Ignobel Prize episodes, because again

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<v Speaker 1>we've been doing them every year. We always come. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>we cover all the winners, sometimes we cover just a

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<v Speaker 1>selection of the winners. But with without fail, they always

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<v Speaker 1>highlight some some wonderful studies that all so invoke laughter

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<v Speaker 1>every year. It's frank delicious. They make you laugh, they

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<v Speaker 1>make you think yes, yeah. And if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>Believe what, it's November right now. We're doing a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of food related inventions over at Invention, including canning, which

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<v Speaker 1>which is really fascinating you if you take it for granted,

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