1 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: At least. He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: Williamson on Home of the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. Yeah, 3 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale Lilly here with Matt Williamson. 4 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: We gets a little surprise snow in Pittsburgh. Take me well, 5 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: we're football weather, football weather, gearing off of the draft, 6 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: this little over a week away draft to be over 7 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: a week away, and of course you Yesterday we got 8 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: the news that Mike Tomlin had signed a three year 9 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: contract extension to keep him as the Steelers coach, presumably 10 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: through gotten mixed reviews on that which I don't understand. 11 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: Roum Mike Tomlin's wanting to be a Hall of Fame. 12 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: Remember at some point in the the future. I think his 13 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: resume is stronger than Cowards and cowards Coward just got in. 14 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 1: And I'm not cutting on Cower, especially if you had 15 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,199 Speaker 1: three more years of wins, even if it's six wins 16 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: a year, you know, I mean, other things go drastically south. 17 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: I mean, they're not gonna be two and fifteen going forward. Um. 18 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: In fact, I think they have a chance to be 19 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: quite good during those three years, especially a year from now, 20 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 1: whenever they kind of reshuffle the deck a little bit, 21 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: so to your point in the next he's twenty one. 22 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 1: He and Pete Carroller tied for twenty onet on the 23 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: all time regular season wins list. Carol has been coaching 24 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: fifteen years, Tomlan fourteen. Um, so a feather in your 25 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: cap to right, Carol's have been pretty successful. Yeah. So 26 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: the next guy's up on the list. Tomla has a 27 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: hundred forty five wins. Bill Cower, He's gonna be Tom 28 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: this year. He's gonna move past that this year. Steve 29 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: Owen at onetree, I'm sure I know that is. He's 30 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer. He coached the I believe the 31 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: forty nine teams back in the US or something. Yeah, okay, Uh, 32 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: Joe Gibbs one fifty four Call of Famer, yeah, Bud 33 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:10,959 Speaker 1: Grant at one another Hall of Famer, Yeah, Mike Holme 34 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: grim with one sixty one. Mike Holmes did that in 35 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: seventeen seasons. Tomlin probably passes him in the next two years. Uh. 36 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 1: Then you're looking at Tom Coughlin at one seventy. Took 37 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: Coughlin twenty years to get a hundred seventy wins. How 38 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: many you say Tomlin's at right now, I think he'll pass. 39 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: It's twenty five wins in four seasons, four years, four years. Uh. 40 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 1: Then you're looking at Mike Shanahan at one seventy he 41 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: and coughlind are tied. So uh. Then Parcels with a 42 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy two took Parcels nineteen years to get 43 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: to that. Man. Parcels and Parcels and Gibbs are considered 44 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: two of the greatest coaches ever. Right, He's gonna pass 45 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: both those guys. These are all Hall of Fame type guys. 46 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: If they're not in the Hall of Fame now like 47 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: home Grim probably goes in the Hall of Fame. Coughlin 48 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 1: is I don't know that Shannahanner Coughlin will, you know, 49 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: but they're gonna be on have a good chance the ballots, 50 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: right Uh. They you know, they both won Super Bowls, 51 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: they both did, and they they won more games of 52 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: cour you know, Yeah, and they've yeah been quite one 53 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: or Coughlin won two Super Bowls. Grant didn't win any, 54 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 1: but I mean he's on, he's in. Yeah, So that's 55 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,399 Speaker 1: what you're looking at there. Uh. If you look at 56 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: games over five hundred for their career. Okay, Okay. Tomlin 57 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: is twelve on the list at sixty seven, So he's 58 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: won sixty seven more games and he's lost. Yeah. Wow, 59 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: that puts him twelfth all time. The guys ahead of 60 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: him are Don Shula, George Hallis, Bill Belichick, Paul Brown, 61 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: Curly Lambeau, Andy Reid, Tom Landry, Marty Schottenheimer, John Madden, 62 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: Tony jon Z, Tony Dungee, George Allen. How about that 63 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: list yet? No, it's not on that list. Bill Cower' 64 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: is not on that list, right, and some great coaches 65 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: are not on that list, I mean, including those two obviously. Wow, 66 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: you know, I mean that's the who's who? Yeah. I 67 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: mean again, when when Marty Schottenheimer died, we Marty shot 68 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: Timber should be in the Hall of Fame. He should be. 69 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: He should be seventy four games over five? Right, what 70 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: more do you want from the guy? Yeah? And again, 71 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: you you never, if you never have a losing season, 72 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: you're just gonna keep adding to it. What he's done 73 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: every year. I mean, I don't know. They don't finish 74 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: his career without ever having a losing season. I mean 75 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: that happens everybody determined, But I mean, everybody on that 76 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: list ahead of him, at one point or another had 77 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: a losing season, and Belichi people forget about that. Yeah, 78 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 1: good point, and a couple of them kind of like 79 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 1: Nold did finished with a whimper, you know, dry you know, 80 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: those last couple of the game had passed him by 81 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: a little bit. I don't get that feeling with Tomlin. 82 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: I don't think the game has passed him by. He's 83 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: not even fifty. He's not old, you know, and I 84 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: think he's still very relatable with today's players and media 85 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: and fans and all that. If you feel like he's 86 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: more in his prime than he is on the back nine. 87 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 1: Let's extrapolate this for a second. Let's say he hangs around. 88 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: Let's say he doubles his career. That's asking a lot 89 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: twenty eight years. But he's again, he's not fifty yet, 90 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 1: I know, But I mean, does he want to do 91 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I mean, I guess he 92 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 1: doesn't do anything else. I mean, he's a football coach. 93 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: But let's say let's say he does that. So let's 94 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: get say he gets the twenty eight years. Well, Belichick 95 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 1: in twenty six years has two wins, Okay, Tomlin in 96 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: fourteen years has a hundred forty five wins, right, so 97 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: they're same pace O very comfortable. Um, you know Andy 98 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: Reid in twenty two years has wins. This is cheating 99 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 1: a little but now he gets to play one more 100 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: game too. Well yeah, right, but still, I mean you're 101 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 1: you know, help that you know, John jump him up 102 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: that list too. But even without it, he's on pace. Um. 103 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: Looking here at playoff appearances years in the playoffs, Tomlin 104 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: is seventeenth on that list as a fifty year old 105 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: human being. Yeah, in fourteen seasons, he's been in the 106 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: playoffs nine times. Uh. Belichick has been there in twenty 107 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: six seasons eighteen times. Yeah, so it's about the same. 108 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: It's about the same same. Um. You know, you look 109 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: at some of these guys that you know, Chuck nol 110 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 1: in two years of Tomlin, where he was the last, 111 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: they were last. If if we had the playoff format 112 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: that we now have again, that one's going to only. 113 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,479 Speaker 1: But it didn't help him two years ago. It didn't 114 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 1: mean anything. This year they won a division, right, but 115 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 1: the two years or four years, the seventh seed and 116 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: you would have got in. Uh, you know, there's a 117 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: there's a lot there if you start comparing him to 118 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: the contemporaries, and that's what everybody, of course wants to do. Well, Okay, 119 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: so he got Belichick. I think he stands alone of course. 120 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: Uh you know, then you're looking at I think reads 121 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: a consensus to now, Yeah, him lucking not four years ago, 122 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: that wasn't the case, they were Mahomes has helped that 123 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: situation absolutely right. So and Marino helped Sula's career for 124 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: a lot that down the stretch. You know. So you 125 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 1: got Tomlin, you got Pete Carroll, you got Sean Payton. 126 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: Um that hard balls in that in that group at hardball. 127 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: When you can pair him to those guys in overall 128 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: winning percentage and everything else, it's a little lower. Carol 129 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: has in four in fifteen seasons, one four and one. 130 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: That's a six oh six winning percentage. He's been in 131 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: the playoffs eleven years, eleven times in fifteen years. Really good. Yeah, right, 132 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: Tomlin is in fourteen years, uh is one forty five, 133 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: seventy eight and one, been in the playoffs nine times. 134 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: He's had a six fifty winning percentage. Really good. Sean 135 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: Payton the same exact number of your same years coaching. 136 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: Is Mike Tomlin one for eighty one and oh that's 137 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: a five twenty nine. No, that's not right, that's a 138 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: six thirty eight. I was gonna playoff six thirty eight 139 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: winning percentage. He's been in the playoffs nine times, really 140 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: good winning percentage. Generalize how strong that was. Yeah, but 141 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: he had three losing seasons with Drew Brees, you know. 142 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: So that's the part of the argument that, well, Tomlin's 143 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: had a Hall of Fame quarterback, sort sort Peyton? I mean, 144 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: so did Grant, So did you know? I mean, all 145 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: these guys mentioned have had quarterbacks and that helps without question, 146 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: I mean, including Belichick and Walsh and all these guys. 147 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: But how many times you know, again, Peyton's won at once. 148 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: It's only been there once with Drew Brees, right right, 149 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: I mean the Packers with Rogers have only one one, 150 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: you know. I mean the guys there's another one. Mike 151 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: McCarthy has been around for fourteen years. He's one eight 152 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: seven and two close. He's six hundred winning percentage, and 153 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: he was in the playoffs nine times and underachieved greatly 154 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,839 Speaker 1: last year. I mean, his quarterback could hurt um the 155 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: whole quarterback coach conversation is a good one to me 156 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: because I really do think to be on this list, 157 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: it takes two to tango, you know, like, oh, no, 158 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: doubt stands out. If you look at all these coaches 159 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: that are there on this list, Um, they all had 160 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 1: a great quarterback. I think the only outlier there. Okay, 161 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm a cherry some names. You're surely yes, Allis. 162 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: I mean even Greasy was a really good player for 163 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: his day. George Hallis. I don't know what that counts 164 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: because they didn't throw the ball. They didn't throw the ball. Belichick, 165 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: Landry Yes, Curly Lambeau, Um, I don't know. Different. Yeah, 166 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: it's got to be from night, Andy Reid, yes, certainly, late, 167 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: Paul Brown, Yes, yes, Marty Schottenheimer not so much, not 168 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: so much so much. He was always chasing the quarter. 169 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 1: But Gibbs is another one's gonna come. Yeah. No, yes, 170 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:33,839 Speaker 1: Dan Reeves, Um, yes, for a bit. But that way 171 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: wasn't out way yet either, Right. That's kind of the 172 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: Tomlin Cower argument, you know, Cower Cower, Yeah, he was. 173 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: He was part of the reason that you know that 174 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: they got Roethlisberger, Roll Reeves was there when they drafted Alway, 175 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: So you know Chuck Knox, No, Jeff Fisher definitely not. Well, 176 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: I mean McNair but maybe they're Yeah, Parcels sims is 177 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: probably on the McNair level. I'm not Hall of famers, 178 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: but strong Coughlin. No, but remember that wasn't it wasn't bad. 179 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: But Manning won a couple of Super Bowls. Yeah, Um Shanahan, Yes, yeah, 180 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: that's Prime Elway. Yeah yeah, Home Grin, yes, Bud Grant, yes, 181 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: Joe Gibbs, I think no, No, he had some good quarterbacks, 182 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: but not I mean hisman was his best. I might 183 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: have sure have had hisman, but he had Doug Williams. 184 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: He had um ripping. You know, he won three Superols 185 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: of three different quarterbacks. He stands out as Wow. You 186 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: know Steve Owen, that was like that was Norm van 187 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: Brocklin or okay, yeah Cower at the end. And here's 188 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: the thing about the cour stuff everybody wants to bring up. 189 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: You know, he went to a bunch of a f 190 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: C championship games early in his career. Well, first of all, 191 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: I didn't win them, and they were some bad show. 192 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: He lost three at home in the a f C 193 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 1: was clearly, clearly the Steelers and everybody else in those years. Yeah, 194 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,839 Speaker 1: the FC was weak, Yeah, because that was almost in 195 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: the NFC was the Niners and Cowboys and everybody else. 196 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I forget about some of those things 197 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: people used to talk about it. Well, the the NFC 198 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: Championship is the real. Oh yeah, Super Bowl. You know, 199 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 1: like everyone kills Coward for losing that game to the Chargers, 200 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: which they were huge, huge, huge, huge huge favorites, and 201 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 1: that's one of his worst blemishes. But they would have 202 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: been a big dog against the Niners too. I mean, 203 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: Chargers lost by forty or something in the Super Bowl. Yeah, 204 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: they had smoked. They give ten or something. Where I 205 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: was going with the whole quarterback coach thing though, and 206 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: that was fun kind of buzzing through those I'm sure 207 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: Ben had been a great quarterback anywhere. I'm not sure 208 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: that Brady and Montana would have been. You know, like 209 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: there's something to the coach using the quarterback right as well. 210 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: You know, like a lot of great talents equal to 211 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: Ben have entered the league and fizzled out, you know, 212 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,439 Speaker 1: not used correctly. If Ben had been drafted by the Browns, 213 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: Philip Rivers. Philip Rivers, right, I mean he overcame a 214 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: lot and had a really good career. I'm talking about 215 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: even the bus when the guys that come in as 216 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: talent has been coaches don't use them, right, you know, 217 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:17,439 Speaker 1: So I think there's you know, Shula changed his offense 218 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: for Marino. Yeah, you know. I mean there's something to 219 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: be said for Yeah, when you get a gift of 220 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: a great player, you recognize it and change according Unfortunately 221 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: for them, they didn't win again. You want to talk 222 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: about having a franchise quarterback and you can't win the 223 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: can't win the Super Bowl. It happens more than people think. 224 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: It tippens a lot. I mean, especially since Brady has 225 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: so many doesn't leave much for others. And the fact 226 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: is thirty one teams don't do it every year and 227 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: only one does and it's a small, small percentage. The 228 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: other thing is is that you know, think about the 229 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 1: stats that for twenty years almost the a f C 230 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: representative in the Super Bowl had either Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, 231 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberg. And then there was an outline. Yeah, I 232 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: mean it was that it was that monopolized. Yeah, like 233 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: Jordan's going to the you know, the re Gret Ski 234 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:10,959 Speaker 1: or one of those guys going every year. It's it's 235 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: like the Karl Malone theory. Well he didn't need Karl 236 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: Malone never won. Well, you know, being a second in 237 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: your era is not so bad either. Yeah, I mean 238 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: I kind of feel like during the tomlin Ero the 239 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: Steelers have been the second best organization in the in 240 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: the league. I remember writing that in two thousand four 241 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 1: when they lost in the a f C Championship to 242 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: the to the Patriots, that Steeler fans she could now 243 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: kind of had the same feeling with the Raiders had 244 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: seven Yeah, Raiders. The Raiders had all kinds of They 245 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: had Hall of Famers all over the field, tons of them, 246 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: and Madden's on that list. On that list, they won 247 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: one super Bowl on one I know because the Steelers 248 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: were there. I mean, my dad growing up, my dad 249 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: and uncle, I fear the Raiders much more than the 250 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: Division or anybody else. I mean, that's the best, second 251 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: best team out here. You know, if if if for example, 252 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: Manning or Tom Brady are in the NFC during those years, 253 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: did the Steelers get to another Super Bowl or two? 254 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: We probably yeah, probably right, right, right, who knows they 255 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: win or not, but another you didn't get there, advanced 256 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: one game further in the playoffs or whatever, you know, right, Yeah, 257 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean they lost three conference championship games 258 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: to the Patriots since two thousand one. Yeah, nobody cares 259 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: about second best, but second best out of thirty two 260 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: over a ten twenty years stretch is damn impressive. I 261 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: mean there's seattles in that conversation, and a couple of 262 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: those teams are have been quite strong for this whole duration. 263 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: But man, I mean the Tomlin run is really hard 264 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: to argue with. And you rebuilt on the fly is 265 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: you know? People discounted doing it right now? Yeah, I 266 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: remember pulling Kevin Colbert aside at the Super Bowl and 267 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: a eight because you know five. Part of the part 268 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: of the conversation at that time was well, Colbert, they're 269 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: winning with some of Donna host guys. There's always that. 270 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: There's always that, so no. Eight. I remember pulling Kevin aside, 271 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: and I think they at that point they had maybe 272 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: two or three guys still remaining that that Donnaho had drafted. 273 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: It was really Kevin's team. And but you're not gonna 274 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: cut Troy, Paula Malu, well, Paula Malla was, but Hines 275 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: Ward was was one of those leftovers. You should we 276 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: get rid of him, um, you know. And I remember saying, 277 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: you know, do you take any pride in the fact 278 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: that this is pretty much your team, you know, the 279 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: one that you drafted or signed these guys and he 280 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: I don't get into that. But then they went again 281 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: in two thousand and ten, which with a you know 282 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: again word was still hanging around, but he wasn't a factor, um, 283 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: you know, and then they had to rebuild on the 284 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: fly again. You even those were not good stealer teams. 285 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: They were eight and eight teams and that's what they were. 286 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: So that's what I keep getting at is even when 287 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: you're rebuilding, it keeps bringing back to this year and 288 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: certainly the two thousand eighteen. When things don't go well 289 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: or you are in your version of a rebuild, it 290 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: doesn't look like Jacksonville or you know, it doesn't look 291 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: like that whole blow it up lunch or the people 292 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: throw out there no no right, you know, even like Atlanta. 293 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: This year things went, They weren't the fourth worst team 294 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: in the league, but you still couldn't win games, and 295 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: you know it was ugly and you end up picking 296 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: fourth overall. Like I have a hard time seeing all 297 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: those teams you mentioned, I mean the Saints, the Ravens, 298 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: the Steelers, the Patriots. Patriots proved at the no end 299 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: last year. I mean, give them nothing and they won 300 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: seven games. They were they were not a good Seattle 301 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: I think will be competitive even though they run the 302 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: ball like Seattle. To me is an interesting conversation, Like 303 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: if we were doing Seattle radio right now, we would 304 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 1: talk about all the Seattle Nation Radio would be all 305 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: over Let rush cook. You gotta throw the ball more. 306 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: And there's much behind that, you know. I think the 307 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: game may have passed Pete Carroll by a little bit, 308 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: you know, in terms of how much people throw and 309 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: when to go for it and fourth and all these things. 310 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,239 Speaker 1: And they still win ten games every year. You know, 311 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: they still win a very tough division. He knows. I mean, 312 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: there's more to it than the game management. And you 313 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: can criticize all these guys if you coach a long 314 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: enough time, but knowing how to win in this league 315 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: is a skill that twelve men have in the world. 316 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 1: I mean, Shanahan's learning it. You know, some of these 317 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: guys are coming up or learning it. But guys that 318 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: know how to win football games in this league when 319 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: with an armed tie behind their back, here's another, here's 320 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: another one to throw out there for you, Matt. That 321 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: that kind of drives everything home. I'm looking here at 322 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 1: profile ball Reference and they have a statistic here for average. 323 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 1: It's a B rank, so it's a team's average average 324 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 1: finish in their division. Okay, the top guys are at one. Now, 325 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: the top guys dutch Bergman, he only coached one year. 326 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 1: The number two guy is Lou and number the guys 327 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: time for number two or Lou rim Kiss and Matt Lafleur. 328 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 1: They were only coached two seasons, so that really doesn't 329 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: Tomlin on this list overall. So there's no minimal threshold 330 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: here one or two years. Eight. Wow, they're at The 331 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 1: Steelers average finish under Mike Tomlin has been one point six. 332 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: One point six, so they're either first or second. They 333 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: don't finish third. They don't finish fourth, and if you did, 334 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: you fits a lot of ones to bring it back 335 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: to the one point. So John Madden was at one 336 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: point three. That's the most of anybody who coached ten 337 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 1: plus years. Vince Lombard years, right, he coached ten years 338 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: on Anose Blanton call year? Uh was it? He coached 339 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 1: eight years? Their average finishes one point four. Belichick is 340 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 1: at eleven. He's eleventh at one point seven because he 341 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: was in the North for a while, right, Yeah, I mean, 342 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: let's not forget those years of active coaches. It's la 343 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: Fleur who's only coached two years, and Tomlin, then Bill 344 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: O'Brien he's not active anymore, but in seven seasons his 345 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 1: average finished was one point seven. It's hard Bough above 346 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: two hard paws at one point nine. Okay, because I mean, 347 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 1: obviously the Ohio teams are bad. Yeah, but the Bengals 348 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: had some years where they finished they finished first. But 349 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 1: it wasn't the Steelers finishing third day year. It was 350 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,640 Speaker 1: it was the Ravens, right right, right? Um, Sean Payton's 351 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 1: one point nine, Andy Reads one point nine. Um, you 352 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 1: know some of these guys, that's one point anything is 353 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 1: pretty damn impressive. Absolutely. That means most of the time 354 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: you finished first, the first place team in your division, 355 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: with every team gunning their off season to beat to 356 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 1: beat you. I mean, I say this all the time. 357 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: We started every Brown's draft meeting. Okay, how do we 358 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: get how do we beat the Steelers? Remember having a 359 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 1: conversation five years ago with with with with Marvin Lewis 360 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: when he you know, he think he was at that 361 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 1: point with the with Washington as their defensive coordinator, and 362 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,199 Speaker 1: I just called him up one day and we're chatting 363 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: and and we're talking about that exact thing, like every 364 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: day we would start, you know, Okay, what are we 365 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 1: gonna do to beat the Steelers? Yeah? Right, right, right, wow, 366 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: even when they weren't the team. You know, when Tom 367 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 1: Coughlin took over the Jacksonville Jaguars, they spent the season 368 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: scouting the Steelers. He was at four or five Steeler 369 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 1: games in person watching the Steelers. How are they doing? 370 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,479 Speaker 1: What are they doing? Okay, from how's this team attacking him? 371 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: How's that team attacking? A couple of notes on that, Like, 372 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 1: I've come to realize that one thing that almost every 373 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: offensive mind does every off season is study the Saints 374 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: their offense. Because Peyton's the best, you know, I mean, 375 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: you know, to me, if you're gonna do those type 376 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 1: of things and just study the Steelers organization the way 377 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,679 Speaker 1: they draft, the way they add personnel, the way they 378 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: use it, develop it, all those things. That's one of 379 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: those type of deals. I mean, I guarantee that the Jets, Dolphins, 380 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:20,400 Speaker 1: Bills spent decades. What can we steal from the Patriots? 381 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: How do we get to the Patriots? I remember the 382 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: one offseason it's the same thing, like everybody copied what 383 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: the Browns were doing in the fifties and sixties. Yeah, right, right, right, Okay, well, okay, 384 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: they're doing this, They're doing that. You know, that's just okay, 385 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: that's the brown created things that were ahead of his time. 386 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 1: I mean everyone stole from Walsh too, you know. Question. 387 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 1: But even there was an offseason, remember when the Dolphins 388 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: signed Nomakan Suda insane money. The whole division did something 389 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 1: like that to find some interior pass rusher to disturb Brady. 390 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 1: You know, maybe we can found the chink in the armors. 391 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: They all do the same type of thing, you know, 392 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 1: like they're always gunning for you. I mean, there's a 393 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: target on your chest when you're the Steelers, even the Saints, 394 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: the Seattles, you know, I mean Bay. Yeah, and there's 395 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: there's also that shows up on the field on game days, 396 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: you know, when whether you're good or bad. Uh, you know, 397 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 1: when the Packers show up in somewhere, everybody, you know, everybody, 398 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 1: we gotta beat the Packers. Yeah, they got They got 399 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,679 Speaker 1: twenty five fans in the stands here today. When the 400 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 1: Cowboys come rolling in the town, when the Steelers come 401 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: rolling into town, when the Patriots covering. Yeah, you know, 402 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,719 Speaker 1: it's a different feel, there's no question, you know. So 403 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,400 Speaker 1: every game is a prime time feel to it, has 404 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: a playoff type feel to it. You're always getting everybody's best, 405 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: whether they're bad times a year or seen times a year. Yeah, 406 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: um yeah, I mean you know, and people talk about, well, 407 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 1: Tomlin loses games too, bad teams on the road, and 408 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 1: blah blah blah. He's not alone in that. His winning 409 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: percentage in those games is better than Mike, Mike or 410 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 1: Bill Cowers, first of all. But I bet it's better 411 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: than average. It's better. It's well above average. Yeah, it's 412 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: right there with his winning percentage. Um, you don't get 413 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 1: the six fifty using a bunch of bad teams, teams 414 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: on the road. He also kills good teams here. They'll 415 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: just beat them, beat the pants off they beat the 416 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: pants off teams here, and a lot of them are 417 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: really good teams too. Yeah, you know, you know, I can. 418 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: I can go through dozens of Sunday night games, Monday 419 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: night games where it's a again, a playoff type atmosphere, 420 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: one favorite or something, and they come out and just 421 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 1: route that team repeatedly. Yeah, I mean it'll be interesting. 422 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a transitional time in the franchise, 423 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: absolutely no question about And I think that I think 424 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: that that Art Rooney sent a message that he wants 425 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin leading beating this team into that next era 426 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,360 Speaker 1: of stealer football. Right. I don't want to go find 427 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: a new guy. It would be an easy time to 428 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: do it. Absolutely, You've had a great career, an easy 429 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: time for Tomlin to step away, right, You're out on 430 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,360 Speaker 1: top to some degree. I don't want to deal with 431 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 1: post Roethlisberger. But one more year in we all part ways. 432 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,360 Speaker 1: And I don't really even know how Kylar left. But 433 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,199 Speaker 1: it wasn't like he has to go he's terrible, you know, 434 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 1: like like Landry was time to go, you know what 435 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: I mean? Um, you know, sometimes people step away easily. 436 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: Could have been the case, you know, Kevin's up in age. 437 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: He could could be a totally new quarterback GM coach. 438 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: But I'll take with what you got and you know, 439 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: try to rebuild and rebuilds even the wrong word, you know, 440 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: try to reload next year with the staff they have. Yeah, 441 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: I mean I think that the track record is there, 442 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: which we've seen, you know, for the longest time as well. 443 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: He's just winning because of he has been. Roethlisberger kind 444 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 1: of disproved that. Yeah, they had a winning record without 445 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: Roethlisberger that year. Yeah, they were eight and six and 446 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: games Roethlisberger didn't start think about that. I mean, they 447 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: got their pants blown off by the Patriots Mason, Rudolph 448 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: and Devil and Hodges. They went eight in six. I 449 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: mean no offense, but that Hodges quarterback, he's not He's 450 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: not gonna be. They manufactured winds, which is really difficult 451 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: to do in this league. Michael Lombardi quotes this a 452 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: lot because he was in San Francisco with Bill Walsh 453 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: and it's in Bill Walsh's famous book where he believed 454 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 1: there's six to eight teams we gotta worry about every year. Yeah, 455 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: I thought that the Bengals can't win the Super Bowl. 456 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: I mean, the Pirates win the Super World Series two 457 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: as I chuckle, you know, I mean, the world's cut 458 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: ever collide and everything works out well. But every year, 459 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: you know, the six to eight, they're going to be 460 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: in it, you know, I mean, catastrophe has to hit 461 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 1: for them not to be in it. Catastrophe hit for 462 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 1: the Patriots past year and after the Steelers two years ago, 463 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: and they weren't too far out of it right, and 464 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: they've had some catastrophic things happened to them going into 465 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,360 Speaker 1: the playoffs in some of those years. The only year 466 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: that I can't give them a past when they lost 467 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: to Jackson. But you can look at that and also 468 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: say that Jackson was bad matchup for them. They were 469 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: and look like a worn out team on defense at 470 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,679 Speaker 1: the time, but they were the better football team. They 471 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: were the better football team you could. You could say, well, 472 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: they lost Ryan Shoes here and they were kind of 473 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: patching it together defensively, but that's still a game that 474 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 1: they should win. Um. You know, losing Shaz is a 475 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:21,360 Speaker 1: giant step that hurt this team. It set them back 476 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: two years, really it did. But that's not the am 477 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: I making light of his injury at all, but all 478 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: teams if you look throughout somebody Sehn Peyton had somebody 479 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: that didn't work out, I mean not to that degree 480 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: or his tragic you know, on the field, they were 481 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: holding it together with band aids. You'd lost, you lost, 482 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: and you didn't have D'Antonio Brown, you didn't have levy 483 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: On Bell, you didn't have D'Angelo Williams when you went 484 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: to when you went to Denver and very easily could 485 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: have won that game against the against the team that 486 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: won the World championship. The next year, you go to 487 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: New England for the a f C Championship, you don't 488 00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,360 Speaker 1: have Cam Heyward Stefan two. It's playing on one leg 489 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 1: and really wasn't shouldn't been playing. Then Levan Bell goes 490 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: down in the five carries into the game beginning. Yeah, 491 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 1: and Bell was at the height of his powers. He 492 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: was the best player in the league at that point 493 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 1: where he was. I guess there's a couple of ways 494 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: of looking at that. First of all, my least favorite 495 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: thing about this sport is injuries, and the fact that 496 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: it's the SUPERA Bowl champs is somewhat of a war 497 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 1: of attrition, you know, because the Steelers aren't a loane 498 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 1: of we. We didn't have some of our best guys 499 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,919 Speaker 1: in the playoffs because this season's beat up people to 500 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 1: no end. And I'm sure the Tomlin detractors will be like, well, 501 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 1: he's got to manage their workloads better. He ran Bell 502 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: into the ground. Well that's how you get there, though, 503 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, I don't see it 504 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: that way. I mean, I think that they have had 505 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: some bad luck with postseason injuries more than most during 506 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,640 Speaker 1: the Tomlins share two key players to like, you can 507 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,959 Speaker 1: you can overcome a couple of injuries here there, you know, 508 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: I mean, as great as the Castro is, you could 509 00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: live without the Castro for a game. Or you know 510 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 1: they've done with the best running back in the league. 511 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,479 Speaker 1: And you know your best you're you're All Pro defensive tackle. 512 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: You you know you're you're Antonio Brown's number one wide receiver. 513 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: Your quarterback was playing in that game against the Broncos 514 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: with with a separated shoulder and he couldn't throw the 515 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,360 Speaker 1: ball twenty five yards. I mean, I remember when Bell 516 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 1: got hurt. I think I sent out a tweet saying 517 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: against Patriots saying, if Belichick could take any piece off 518 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: this chess board. That was the one, definitely the one, 519 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you work all week, how are 520 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 1: you gonna limit Bell? We're not gonna stop him. Kind 521 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: of like when he had the game playing against Falk 522 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 1: and you know those type of things, and he gets 523 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: plucked off the board for free. You don't even have 524 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: to give up five ponds to do it or whatever, 525 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: and the queen's gone. Now we got shot. Yeah, now 526 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: it's a completely different ball game. So you know, I 527 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: I think that you know, Mike tomlin Um take some 528 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: criticism for that and some mis warranted every head coach 529 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: does you know now Belichick is about to because Brady's 530 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: gone just now, all of a sudden, bella chick. The 531 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: GM is getting criticism for the for the bad for 532 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: for the roster that they put on the field. Last 533 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: just mentioned Carol. Yeah, I mean hardball had some time. 534 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: It must got fired. Our ball was with it with 535 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: the NAT's eyelash of being fired three years ago. Lamar 536 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: in the field because hey, what do I got to lose? Yeah, 537 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna get fired at the end of 538 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: the season one way or the other. I might as 539 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: well go out with this guy. I'm sure a lot 540 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: of people in New Orleans are going Peyton's won one 541 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. You know, they had three states, three streight 542 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: years of seven and nine. Yeah, you know in the 543 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: in the mid two thousand tens, three straight years of 544 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: seven and nine with Drew Brees. Uh, and then they 545 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: decided to sell out and go for it. We'll now, 546 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. Yeah, all of a sudden, they 547 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: could be a six and ten team or six and 548 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: eleven team. Yeah. I mean even Shanahan, who's the genius, 549 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: he had one good year. I mean, like I would, 550 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: I would hire Shanahan and a heartbeat. But last year 551 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: they were what six and ten, seven and nine. Two 552 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: years before that they had the second pick in the 553 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: draft and got Bosa, and in between they went to 554 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. You know, like McVeigh, when you're walking 555 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: into a situation where you're picking high, Um, you know 556 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 1: McVeigh is the same way. You know you're coming in 557 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: with top ten draft picks. Steelers don't have that. Tomlin 558 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: has not had that. Uh, you know, Kawar really didn't 559 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: have that. You're kind of you're you're rebuilding with the 560 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 1: eighteenth pick in the draft or the twentie pick in 561 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: the draft. Every developed talent. That's hard to do, and 562 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: of course it's a great GM helps, but in order 563 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: to do that, you better develop fourth round picks that 564 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: have something wrong in their game. You know, his kick 565 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: slides a little off our line. Coach better get that. 566 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: Gonna fix that, you know what I mean, You gotta 567 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: coach itself up. Yeah, so but interesting, we'll see again 568 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: the Steelers tying the tying the caboost, continuing to tie 569 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: the cabooster to It's like, if anyone's thinking, man, this 570 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: was time. This is a no brainer move. You're fortunately 571 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: you're in this position. You gotta have some stability. You're 572 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 1: gonna be You're gonna be losing your franchise quarterback, potentially 573 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 1: your general manager here in the next couple of years. 574 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 1: You keep destability at head coach to kind of continue 575 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: what you have. You know, it could be much much worse. 576 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: People people in Pittsburgh seem to forget that the eighties 577 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:15,479 Speaker 1: took place. It's very convenient to forget those, I mean, 578 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: and some people were too young to remember. But two 579 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: playoff wins in a decade decade, right, I mean, with 580 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: all all respect of the emperor. I mean, he's an 581 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: all time great coach and building maybe the best dynasty 582 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: in history. It was not pretty years. I mean again, 583 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: I'm sure they went and I know they went many years, 584 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 1: picking very very late in the first round and all 585 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: those things well caught up. How much how hard that 586 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: is to survive on the tim Warleys and some of 587 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 1: the early picks you know when you did get them, Yeah, 588 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 1: for sure. But that's gonna do it for this segment. 589 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: So for my partner Matt Williamson, for Jacob ut here 590 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: on site keeping us on the air, I'm Dale Lally. 591 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: We thank you for listening to this edition of The 592 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: Drive on Steelers Nation Radio.