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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George

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Speaker 1: Nori backman. Doctor Claude Swanson his book, his latest book,

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Speaker 1: Science of the Soul, the Afterlife and the Shift. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk about that in your opinion, Claude, what is the soul?

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Speaker 1: What is it? Well, it's a big subject obviously, but

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Speaker 1: it's it's a structure that is made up of torsion.

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Speaker 1: Primarily so that the physical body, the organs that we

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Speaker 1: are familiar with are made up of flesh and blood, atoms, etc.

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Speaker 1: But the torsion is an energy that exists in space

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Speaker 1: and that can carry a form with it, and it

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Speaker 1: has a pattern, like a holographic pattern for our body

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Speaker 1: and for many aspects of our personality that can keep

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Speaker 1: its form even after the physical stuff dies in decays away.

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Speaker 1: So the bottom line is its torsion. That's is it physical.

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Speaker 1: It's it's semi physical. And by that I mean the

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Speaker 1: best theory we have for torsion is that it exists

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Speaker 1: in it's a it's a twisting of space. It's like

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Speaker 1: a twisting pattern almost like a pretzel in space that

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Speaker 1: is created that can maintain itself over time, so it's

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Speaker 1: a way of carrying an echo of the structure of

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Speaker 1: the body even after the physical body is gone. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there are ways to measure it physically, for example, So

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Speaker 1: in that sense it's physical, although it may not have

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Speaker 1: any actual energy, but curly and photography has been developed

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Speaker 1: and has been able to use to generate images of

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Speaker 1: a torsion field, so there are always of making measurements

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Speaker 1: of it, so it's physical to that extent. Interesting. Now

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Speaker 1: we believe in the creator, of course, but what a

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Speaker 1: great idea to come up with it, right, and the

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Speaker 1: Creator is pretty smart. Left nothing unturned exactly exactly what

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Speaker 1: about heaven and hell? Claude. In doing my research, I

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Speaker 1: studied a lot of the information that comes from past

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Speaker 1: life progressions, from mediums um you know, Doris Cannon, all

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Speaker 1: all of the great investigators, to kind of see what

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Speaker 1: they learned about the nature of the afterlife. And a

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Speaker 1: lot of the information is verifiable to the extent will

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Speaker 1: that if someone dies and remembers dying in some particular

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Speaker 1: army unit in World War One, for example, it's oftentimes

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Speaker 1: possible to check their information and track down who they

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Speaker 1: were that it's actually something that's true. It's not just

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Speaker 1: a fantasy. So the afterlife information is often valid as

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Speaker 1: a way of getting information about what happened in the past.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, there's lots of different sources like that, and

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Speaker 1: so I've kept I've been trying to put together a

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Speaker 1: map of what the afterlife looks like in terms of

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Speaker 1: the various levels and dimensions. And what I find is

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Speaker 1: that there are frequencies, there are levels, and they correspond

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Speaker 1: two levels of consciousness in the same way that you know,

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Speaker 1: when we say someone is meditating at a higher level

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Speaker 1: and achieving a higher level of consciousness, you can actually

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Speaker 1: think about that as achieving a higher frequency and making

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Speaker 1: contact with a higher plane of vibration in the universe,

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Speaker 1: So that you can make a correspondence between the afterlife

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Speaker 1: and ideas of consciousness that were already familiar with. Are

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Speaker 1: you familiar with the case of James Leaninger, a little

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Speaker 1: boy who believed that he was a Navy World War

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Speaker 1: two pilot, Not that particular, we no, I know, the

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Speaker 1: boy who knew too much, who had been Lugarat in

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Speaker 1: a past life, and there are a couple other remarkable

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Speaker 1: But the point is that we oftentimes can verify the

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Speaker 1: past life information, so there's a reality to it. Tell me,

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Speaker 1: tell me about Leslie Flint, the voice medium. Well, what

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Speaker 1: other voices of his sounds that were emanating from his vicinity,

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Speaker 1: sure at some point he must have heard something, but

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Speaker 1: the contacts, how vivid they are, how real these people

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Speaker 1: sound who are coming through him. So anyway, it's a

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Speaker 1: big story. That's just one of a number of different

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Speaker 1: areas in this whole afterlife business where we have really

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Speaker 1: solid evidence that something special happens. The spirits can make

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Speaker 1: ectoplasm that is the medium that makes this possible. But

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Speaker 1: people who study this field. It's a it's a just

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Speaker 1: remarkable that truly is. Now, what about the evil in

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Speaker 1: hell and the devil does that exist? There are different

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Speaker 1: levels in the afterlife, and it all goes back to vibration,

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Speaker 1: and based on the vibration of your soul, of your personality,

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Speaker 1: in the afterlife. And that has to do with your personality,

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Speaker 1: and when they come back they have information about what

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Speaker 1: us and what the church might say, is that you're

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Speaker 1: not stuck. You're not going to be in hell forever.

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Speaker 1: It has to do with with what you do, who's

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Speaker 1: ways of moving up in the higher levels even after

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Speaker 1: and clearly the goal is to lave your life in

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Speaker 1: such in such a way as to qualify and to

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Speaker 1: levels in the astral dimension, which is the first level

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Speaker 1: into therapy and you're working on your problems, trying to

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Speaker 1: get rid of your anger, getting rid of your your

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Speaker 1: into a higher vibration next time. So it seems like

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Speaker 1: time you die, that there's an even higher level that

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Speaker 1: to work with resonance, that you resonate with frequency, so

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Speaker 1: there's an automatic aspect to it. Scientifically speaking, Claude what is,

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Speaker 1: in your opinion, consciousness. Boy, you thought it was going

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Speaker 1: a it's an internet where everything, all of space is connected.

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Speaker 1: And it's really the consciousness. Which are these signals that

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Speaker 1: so in a sense, you're plugging your neural network, your

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