1 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: Oh boy, it is behind the It Happened Could Here? 2 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 1: I'm Evans, Robert podcast song. Hello. Who else is on 3 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: the call? What are we doing? Where are we It's 4 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: it's it's me. Uh, it's Christopher Wong. I'm gonna talk 5 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: a lot this episode. There's also other people here. You are. Now, 6 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: before we get into that, I should note that we 7 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,520 Speaker 1: were all just looking at the latest episode of podcast Magazine, 8 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: which of course we all read regularly, as I do 9 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: like that to describe you as uh uh, they describe 10 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,599 Speaker 1: you in a few funny ways. Actually, yes they do. 11 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: It's a list of the most powerful people in podcasting. Um, 12 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: of course got me obviously all the great On page 13 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,279 Speaker 1: forty seven we have Robert Evans, who and they do 14 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: say that he has also undertaken an ambitious daily series 15 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: called It Could Happen Here that takes us on some 16 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 1: of the weightiest issues and problems facing policymakers. I will 17 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: say this, if you are a policy maker and you 18 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: have ever taken a policy suggestion from us, you have 19 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 1: a legal obligation to like light your own office on 20 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: fire with a molotov. I do like that. Robert Evans, 21 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: don't listen to Chris do it policymakers. I do like that. 22 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: Robert Evans is right above the serial creators, So that's 23 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: that is I'm above Trevor Noah. I mean, I don't. 24 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: I literally don't think it's like it listed, because there 25 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: is no way in in the list. Ben Shapiro is 26 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: above Joe Rogan, and that's just not not accurate to 27 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: the to the to the to the way the industry functions. 28 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,279 Speaker 1: But it's a very silly listening. It's been fun reading 29 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: through our latest tissue of our favorite of our favorite 30 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: podcast magazine, podcast Magazine made by podcast News Daily, where 31 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: you can get all your news about podcasts. The thing 32 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: that I totally knew about for for I've known about 33 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: this for clearly for longer than fifteen minutes. Actually that's 34 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 1: that's not true. I've known about it for longer than 35 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: eight minutes. Maybe twelve. Yeah, m hmm. It's an amazing photo. 36 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 1: Was happy to get I was it. Was happy. Was 37 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: happy to get in some fine reading today. Uh So, anyway, 38 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: what's what's what's this? What's our episode actually about? That's 39 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: a great question. It's a podcast power rating episode. Yeah, yeah, 40 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: we're We're I don't even have any order to go 41 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: with that. No. The thing, the thing the episode is 42 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: actually about is heat waves, and very specifically a heat 43 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: wave in China that has been going on for Why 44 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 1: this is day seven as we're recording, this is day 45 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: seventy two. I think by by the time Let's Go 46 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: Out goes out, it will probably be like day seventy four. Um. Yeah, 47 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: And this is and and incomparable heat wave. I'm just 48 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: gonna read this from Axios. The extreme heat and drought 49 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: that has been vost roasting a vast swath of southern 50 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: China for at least seventy days straight has no parallel 51 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: and modern record keeping in China or anywhere else around 52 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: the world for that matter. Now, okay, so that sounds bad, right, 53 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: but it's actually worse than that, because okay, so if 54 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: if if if you were to read that, you you 55 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: might believe that this heat wave is just affecting southern China, 56 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: and that's like not true. It's also affecting northern China. 57 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: It is affecting like most of China. It's like affecting 58 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: almost like most people alive is nine million people, which 59 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: is like quick question, is that a lot? So okay, 60 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: so if if if you rank all the countries in 61 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: the world, right, the people affected by this heat wave 62 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: would be the third largest country in the world, only 63 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: behind in India. Okay, okay, so that's that's several people. 64 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: It's it's fun, is it? More people than the British 65 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: people who have been logging on to post about it 66 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: being like five degrees and them like, I do love. 67 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: One of the things that's keeping me alive during this 68 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: ugly summer is like all of the photos of British 69 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: people just getting as red as possible because they think 70 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: the tanning needs burning of your body. It's hard for 71 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: me to explain how difficult it was for me to 72 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 1: comprehend that in California they won't serve you if you 73 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: have your shirt off, because it is a national tradition 74 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: in Britain to take off your shirt and get as 75 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: much some known as possipital or if you're getting into 76 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: a fist fight as well. Well. The number of folks 77 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: pull their shirts off and fights in London. Yeah, it's 78 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 1: it's part of a natural heritage for many. It's it's 79 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: a beautiful country. But please continue, Chris, Yeah, okay, so 80 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: so you know, to get a sense of like the 81 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: stakes of this, right, so okay, and like they just 82 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: just the sheer scale of this, because people is an 83 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 1: amount of people that like, we like is incomprehensible. You 84 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: think that's a number that's too large. So okay, Sichuan Province, right, 85 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: this is this is one province that is being affected 86 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: by this. This province has eighty three million people in it. 87 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: This is the entire combined population of California, Texas, Indiana, 88 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 1: and New York City. Um, here's here's in France twenty 89 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: four about what's happening here. Since July this year, the 90 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: province has faced the most extreme high temperatures, the lowest 91 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: rainfall in the corresponding period in history, and the highest 92 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: power load in history. Local authorities said, So, it is 93 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: hotter than it has ever been. It is drier than 94 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: it has ever been except and and this is the 95 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: fun part. This is the similar similar happening in Texas. 96 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: And I think, yeah, well, I'm texts probably the best 97 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: example this. Okay. So it's really really, really unbelievably dry, 98 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: except for when there's giant flash floods and they've killed 99 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: twenty two people already have to have died from the 100 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: flash floods um the different province, but yeah, it is 101 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: unbelievably bleak um. One of the big things that's happening 102 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:15,119 Speaker 1: is that the Yanksy River is like the lowest anyone 103 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: has ever seen it. Who's like, anyone alive has ever 104 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: seen it. It's the lowest we have recorded measurements of 105 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: because like, and this is everything is happening here, like 106 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: there is no record of it ever being this bad. 107 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: And this is a real problem because particularly in sich One, 108 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 1: because of this, province's power is drawn from hydro electric 109 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:42,799 Speaker 1: and you know, it turns out it's it's really bad 110 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 1: if the rivers that you are relying on for your 111 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: hydro electric power are basically drying up. And like like 112 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: there's there's pictures of like like you can go find 113 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: pictures of this that there are pictures of the Yanksty 114 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: that like it looks like a riverbed on Mars, Like 115 00:06:55,040 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: it is just just completely dry, like it's like dry 116 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 1: ragged stuff. It's really Again, this is just to kind 117 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: of bring out how worldwide this problem is. We're seeing 118 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: pieces of this everywhere else, right Like Texas, which is 119 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: also in a horrible drought, has been having flash floods 120 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: that have been disastrous recently because when it's been super 121 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: dry for a while and you have these these heavy rains, 122 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: it's it's a huge fucking problem. And you've got riverbeds 123 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: drying up all across the Southwest and things like Lake 124 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: Mead getting low enough that hydro electric power isn't going 125 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: to be reliable in a huge chunk about like the 126 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: the again, because it's important not to distract from like 127 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: what's happening in China, but because it's important, like this 128 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:42,239 Speaker 1: is this is everybody, This is everybody, yes in India 129 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: all over yeah yeah, and and you know, okay, so 130 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: the seat wave in China, like there's been very very 131 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: little English coverage of it, and the thing everyone focuses 132 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: on is the fact that like the power out ofgy well, 133 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: the the reduced ability to generate power and the fact 134 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: that everyone has to turn on the air conditions so 135 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: not like literally die is you know, it's wreaking havoc 136 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: on China set of productive capacity since such one has 137 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: like there there there's an enormous like industrial base there 138 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: that you know, produce stuff from everything from like Tesla 139 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: to apple. And this is what the sort of the 140 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: anglephone media cares about, right, like everything that almost everything 141 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: written about the heat wave is about this effect on 142 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: like supply chain disruption, disruption to like semi conduct your 143 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: production and like batteries for electronics, on and so forth. 144 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: And I do not give a shit about this, um 145 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: And the reason I don't give a shit about this 146 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: is because the actual human impact of this is just 147 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: sort of unfathomable, and the media outlets we're talking about 148 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: it like don't seem to be paying attention to it 149 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:44,559 Speaker 1: at all. Um So, while I was originally okay, so 150 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: uh when I when I was originally writing part of 151 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: this episode, I went and like looked back at weather 152 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: data for Shanghai, and so okay, when I was running 153 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 1: this on August, that day was a hundred and three 154 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: in Shanghai, like two weeks before that, it was a 155 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 1: hundred and eleven. And I found out that from July 156 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: to August, the like the high temperature, like the daily 157 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: high temperature like did not go below a hundred. On 158 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: the one it finally rained and that dropped the temperature 159 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: to merely four. I think either tomorrow today or tomorrow, 160 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: I think it will go below ninety. This is at 161 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: now this is this is this is this is the 162 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: temperature of the day. But after you in the night 163 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: aren't going below like seventy either, then a lot a 164 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: lot of times are the eighties or nineties. And and 165 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: that the temperature at night does just for people who 166 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: are not aware of like heat. One of the things 167 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: that's most important for like the survivability of a heat 168 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: wave is whether or not it gets cool at night, 169 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: because you can survive pretty hot temperatures during the day 170 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 1: if you were able to cool your body down at night. 171 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: It's one of the like one of the saving graces 172 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: the Pacific Northwest end during its heat waves. But yeah, 173 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: and and this is this is a real like so Chunking, 174 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: which is an enormous city. It has nine million people 175 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: like regularly in the city. It's Chunking. The city is 176 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: also the municipal like government there, so there's a whole 177 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: sort of complicated thing there. But like the municipality of 178 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: Chunking is thirty two million people in it. Uh. They 179 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: had a night I a couple I think a couple 180 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 1: of weeks ago that was ninety four point eight degrees 181 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: and which is again like that is a night that 182 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: is significantly hotter than the average summer day. And you know, 183 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: I mean, like I want to go back to Shanghai 184 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: for just like a second, because like, Shanghai, I looked this, 185 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 1: I I looked this up. Shanghai has not had a 186 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: day where the high has been below eighty nine degrees 187 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: for two consecutive days since mid June. It has been 188 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: over ninety degrees every single day, like with without two 189 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: days back to back. It wasn't that hot since mid June. 190 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: Um and you know, okay, so like the theft, this 191 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: is having enormous effects. One of the big ones, the 192 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: most noticeable ones, is lie Basically like any excess power 193 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: usage that a city can have is just getting shut off. 194 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: There's been a lot of uh, there's been a lot 195 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: of stuff where like businesses aren't allowed to open before 196 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: like four pm because it's literally just too hot and 197 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: you can't deal with electricity load and yeah, like and 198 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: you know the other the other problem here again it's 199 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 1: like it's not cooling off at night. And if it's 200 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: not cooling off at night, yeah like that this is 201 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: this is the thing that kills people, um and so well, 202 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:29,559 Speaker 1: the one of the things I want to talk about 203 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: this is just like looking at this, looking at what 204 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: this looks like on like a very very granular individual level, 205 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: because this stuff also just sort of gets ignored. Um, 206 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: there is a really horrible story in six Tone, which 207 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: is like it's hard to describe them. So six Tone 208 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: is a state media outlet, but they're like, I don't know, 209 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: I guess you consider them like they're they're like the 210 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: left wing state media outlet, which means that like they 211 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: have somewhat more like editorial independence than like something like 212 00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: China Daily or like a lot of the other state 213 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: when they and they like they criticize the government a 214 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: lot more than uh, most of the sort of state 215 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: run outlets. And they did this story about a migrant 216 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: worker who was working at a freight depot about like 217 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: he's this is this is depots about like two and 218 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: a half hours outside of Shanghai, and Okay, so he's 219 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: he's working and it is you know, it is it 220 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: is unbelievably hot. I think I think the last day 221 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: that he's working here, it's a hundred and four degrees 222 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: and that night it only cooled off to eight four. 223 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: Here's from six Tone about sort of just the conditions 224 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 1: that people are working in here on the hottest days, 225 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: the temper side of the carriages is at least fifty 226 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: degrees celsius, which is a hundred and twenty two degrees fahrenheit. 227 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: Says you. He had Dong, a worker from Drunk c 228 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: and other Inland province. It feels like you're on fire 229 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:54,079 Speaker 1: standing here. Around noon, his employer, an outsourcing agency, hands 230 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: out heat stroke profession drugs, which he takes twice a day. 231 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: At the freight depot. Managers sit in air condition rooms, 232 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: but workers like him rest under trees. The office is 233 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: not for us, you says, now, okay. In theory, under 234 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: Chinese law, if it hits a hundred and four degrees 235 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: outdoor work is supposed to immediately stop, and you're supposed 236 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: to move everyone indoors and like give them water and stuff. 237 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: Because it turns out if you're working like a hard 238 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 1: many or labor job outside and hundred and four, you 239 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: might die. But you know you and you're you're supposed 240 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 1: to get paid heat breaks and like you know, as 241 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: as anyone who is familiar with, for example, how American 242 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: farm labor works, you know what happens about to happen next? Uh, 243 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: it turns out that, you know, okay, so you can 244 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: take a break, but your employers won't pay you for it, 245 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: because like they don't know who's who, who's gonna at 246 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: who's gonna atually force them to do it. John, who's 247 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: the work of the story is about, you know, is 248 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: extremely poor. His family is poor. He's trying to support 249 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: a family like back home because again he's he's a 250 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: migrant worker, and he you know, he can't he can't 251 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: afford to take a break on his ship. So he 252 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: doesn't die, and so he he literally collapses on the 253 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: job and then gets back up and finishes his work, 254 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: and he tries to cool down by like laying in 255 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: his tiny, young, un air conditioned apartments with like an 256 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: electric fan pointed at his head. And he died on 257 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: a bed that was held up by two broken cinder blocks, 258 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: making maybe four dollars an hour. Yeah, and you know, yeah, 259 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: and I mean, you know, the the thing about this, 260 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: right is so in theory he's working for for a 261 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: state owned company, right, but you know, as as as 262 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: we talked about like a little bit in that the 263 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: sort of quote earlier, he's not actually working for the 264 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: state owned firm what he's working for is one of 265 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: these like labor agencies, which are these like sort of 266 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: contracting things that allow you to actually get a job. 267 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: But you know what what happens is that the state 268 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: owned firms like outsourced of labor to the to these 269 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: contracting firms, and the contracting firms just like pick people 270 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: up and bring him to the side. But this means 271 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: he doesn't have a contract. And the problem is if 272 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: you don't have if you don't have a contract right, 273 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: you can't get any government benefits, you can't get insurance. 274 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: And it turns out this matters because you know China, 275 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: China has like a payout right that they're supposed to 276 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: pay to families when you know, if someone dies in 277 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: the job. But you know, it's almost impossible to collect, 278 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: especially if you don't have a contract. It is it 279 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: is almost impossible to to get this thing. Um And 280 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: you know, like this is this is how like most 281 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: of the Chinese economy works. The Chinese General Trong calculated 282 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: that in funk One, which is one of like China's 283 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: big industrial cities, if companies actually paid out the insurance 284 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: benefits they were legally required to pay out, it would 285 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: cut corporate profit by and bankrupt, like most of the 286 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: company's working here. You know, the entire economy is based 287 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: on this. And Jong's family drives like three d and 288 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: fifty miles to the city where he died and starts 289 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: like harassing government officials and bosses for like literally weeks. 290 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: They are trying to get people to like, hey, you know, 291 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: will you pay out the insurance money you're legally required 292 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: to pay us? And they refuse, like the local officials 293 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: like won't even give them like surveillance footage of like 294 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: what like of him on the job dying. And you know, 295 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: after like several weeks of his like four or five weeks, 296 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: their finally able to get a sixth of the money 297 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: they're supposed to get if you die if someone dies 298 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: under sort of like there's they're able to get a 299 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: sixth of the money that you're supposed to get in 300 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: a Chinese law if one of your family embers dies 301 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: in the workplace. And you know, I'm focusing on this 302 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: story because it's one of the few stories that we 303 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: have directly about sort of the sheer magnitude of the 304 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: suffering the heat waves is causing and part of part 305 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: of what's going on here is that we don't know 306 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: what the death told heat wave is. There's there's nothing 307 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: about it, right. You'll see a couple of reports talk 308 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: about like two or three heat related deaths, but it's 309 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: it is literally impossible that there are that few deaths. 310 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: Um there there there was a study in the journal 311 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: Lancet that was looking heat related deaths in China over 312 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: the last thirty years and it showed that like heat 313 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: related deaths have died increased by a factor of four 314 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: since and you know, so there was there was another 315 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: heat wave in China that was like pretty bad in 316 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, and they calculated that eight hundred people have 317 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: died from heat related deaths Jesus, and you know, and 318 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 1: again that that that heat wave, heat wave was pretty bad. 319 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: This heat wave, like it has just utterly destroyed every 320 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: single record that heat waves set, Like it is in 321 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 1: like its own universe of heat waves. So it has 322 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 1: killed like probably by the end of this it will 323 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: have killed like tens of thousands of people, yep. And yeah, 324 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: which is really bleak. And you know what I mean. 325 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:50,360 Speaker 1: I think like part of the reason also I wanted 326 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 1: to talk about like the specific story is that like 327 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: you know, so the weather itself like is trying to 328 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: get like is enough to kill you, right, But like okay, 329 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 1: so like this like this kind of heat is survivable 330 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: if like you know, if if if you're in a 331 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: situation where you can be inside and where you can 332 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: be hydrated and stuff like that. But you know, hey, 333 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: capitalism exists. I means you have to keep working during 334 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: this ship and that's just going to keep killing people. UM. 335 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: I wanted to sort of also look at sort of 336 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 1: some of the historical heat waves to also to get 337 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 1: a sense of how many people like probably died in 338 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: this one. Um. I think like maybe the most famous 339 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: heat wave like in in my lifetime, well I tell 340 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: this one, I guess was that heat wave in europeousand 341 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 1: three and that one killed something like seventy people. Um. 342 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 1: And there's a lot of very interesting stuff that we 343 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: learned from this heat wave about what heat waves to you. 344 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: It's sort of in general. The United Nations, like in 345 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: finne mental program like released a report about this, and 346 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: there's a lot of really interesting stuff in it. I mean, okay, 347 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: so the obvious one is that this has a massive 348 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 1: effect on agriculture, which okay, Yeah, Like you can ask 349 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 1: a four year old and they will tell you that it. 350 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: I this is bad, and this is happening. This is 351 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: affecting China right now too, because um, this drought is 352 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: hitting like right in the middle of a lot of 353 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 1: China's bread basket. So yeah, there's all these sort of 354 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 1: like downstream effects that we'll see later. Um. One of 355 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: the other fun parts about this this is when she 356 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 1: doesn't three heat wave. I'm just gonna read this quote. 357 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,719 Speaker 1: Massive alpine glaciers decreased by ten pc in two thousand 358 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: three and yeah, okay, so you know what you're seeing here, right, 359 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: is this sort of sickler thing where each each heat wave, 360 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: you know, does things like melt glaciers, right, and that 361 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 1: makes the next heat wave worse because when when you 362 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: when you lose glacier mass, you're you're you're you're losing 363 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: surface area that reflects light, which increases level of warming. 364 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: And this is sort of you know, this is one 365 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: of the sort of feedback loops that we're we're dealing with. Um. Uh, 366 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: you know another thing that we've been seeing a lot 367 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 1: in the US had this like pretty badly. I mean, 368 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 1: I guess like anyone who lives the specific Northwest like 369 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: understands this. There's just there are just fires constantly because 370 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: it turns out that when it's really hot, things just 371 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: lead on fire. Um. In the in the two thousand 372 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: three one there were twenty five thousand fires and they 373 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: burned something like six fifty thousand head acres of forest. 374 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: And even the places it didn't burn, it causes sort 375 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: of like severe, severe ecological damage to these forests because 376 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 1: like the they the heat leaves trees, for example, like 377 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: a lot weaker than's supposed to mean. This leads in 378 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: vulnerable to things like plagues, into like into the waves 379 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: of insects and this. You know, like everything that's happening 380 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: here with these heat waves, like we weakens the environments 381 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: that are supposed to be sort of like mitigating the 382 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: effects of climate change. Um So we also like on 383 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: the sort of like human front. We we talked about 384 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: how heat waves can knock out uh, heat waves can 385 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: knock out hydro electric power. It turns out they can 386 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: also knock out nuclear power plants because nuclear power plants 387 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 1: rely on like dumping their cooling water back into rivers. 388 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: Now there's like there's there's legal limits on how hot 389 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: like the water you can dump into these rivers is 390 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: supposed to be. Because it turns out, you know, if okay, 391 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: if you have a bunch of boiling water into the 392 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: river is gonna kill everything in it. But as the 393 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: sort of cooling process like gets more difficult because the 394 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: water levels are lower, you have to take power plants 395 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: offline because otherwise you're going to just kill everything in 396 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 1: the river. When you when you're venting your sort of 397 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: exhaust heat and into it got into three. It gets 398 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: bad enough that like a bunch of companies get exemptions 399 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: right there, like okay, it's an emergency, we can turn 400 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: this on. We can like we can vent all this 401 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 1: hot water back in the rivers. But you know, you 402 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: can only do this so many times before you revocably 403 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: funk up the ecosystem of the river. And again this 404 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 1: is this is this is the problem. Right like you 405 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 1: you get you're getting into these feedback loops, You're destroying it. 406 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 1: You're destroying the ecosystem like you're showing the river ecosystems. 407 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: This also again has problems with like it reduces it's 408 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: it's the river's ability to serve the harbon sink and 409 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 1: but but it's like, you know, what, what choice do 410 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: you have? Right? Because you're energy the energy consumption heat 411 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: waves massively increases because you need to cool yourself down, 412 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: you need air conditioning, you need things like fans or 413 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: people are going to die, and so like every single 414 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: one of these, like heat waves just sort of spirals. Yeah, 415 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: I guess the last thing I wanted to talk about 416 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: is something that we haven't We talked about this in 417 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 1: like the very very early episodes of the show, but 418 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 1: like haven't talked about much sense, which is wet bulb temperature. 419 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: Oh yes, yeah, so for for for people who don't 420 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 1: remember what this is, um, I mean we're talking a 421 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: little bit about it earlier, and that when you can't 422 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: cool down at night, like the big things about a 423 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: wet bulb temperature. But yeah, it's it's more complicated than that. Yeah. So, 424 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: like I guess the the basics of it is that, Okay, 425 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: so your body like cools itself down by sweating, and 426 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 1: when when the water evaporates off your skin, it cools 427 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 1: you off, and this is one of the big ways 428 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: that your body sort of keeps your internal temperature under control. 429 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: The problem basically is what if you sweat can't evaporate, 430 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 1: and that that brings us to what what web bult 431 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 1: wet bulb temperature is. Here here's NASA quote. Web bulb 432 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 1: wet bulb temperature is the lowest temperature to which an 433 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 1: object can cool down when moisture evaporates from it. So 434 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 1: what is measuring for us is how cool our bodies 435 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: can actually get from sweating. The problem is that at 436 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 1: a web bulb temperature for about nineties seven degrees fahrenheight, 437 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: your sweatsofts evaporating and you can't cool yourself, and this 438 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: kills you really really fast. Um. Here's NASA again talking 439 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 1: to Colin Raymonds, who's from Who's I think he just 440 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 1: climate stuff at the nasag Gepropulsion Laboratory. Once wet bulb 441 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: temperature exceeds thirty five degrees celsius or ninety five degrees fahrenheit, 442 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: no amount of sweating or other adaptive behavior is enough 443 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,959 Speaker 1: to low your body to a safe operating temperature, said Raymond. 444 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: Most of the time it's not a problem because the 445 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: wet bulb temperature is usually five to tend degree celsius 446 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 1: blow body temperature, even in hot, humid places. But you know, 447 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: I mean it's a point of no here by the 448 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 1: way that like the wet bulb wet bowl temperature is 449 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 1: like not the same thing as regular temperature. Um, it's 450 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: it's measuring something like that's different from how hot it is. 451 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: And and it's worth noting that like the current heat waves, 452 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 1: like they're really bad, but it hasn't really been hitting 453 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: the web bowl temperature hasn't really been hitting the place 454 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: places where they just are absolutely lethal and start killing 455 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 1: huntreds of thousands of people. But that is going to happen, right, 456 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: even even in sort of like if even even in 457 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 1: even in the climate models where you know, we we 458 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: keep emissions to like two degrees, right, which which at 459 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: this point is looking like some of the optimistic models 460 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: like this stuff is going to happen in the ex 461 00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: thirty fifty years and unless something drastically changed, is like 462 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: we're we're going to watch this happen. We're gonna watch 463 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 1: country city seperatoris We're going to watch enormous numbers of 464 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:11,959 Speaker 1: people fall over dead. And yeah, this is um, this 465 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: this is where climate change is heading. And it sucks. 466 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: And the heat waves better that are hitting China. The 467 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 1: heat waves are hitting India. The heat waves that we've 468 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 1: seen here are like this is this is as goes 469 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 1: is going to get. It's just going to keep getting worse. 470 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: I guess I should back up one second and talk 471 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 1: a bit about the Chinese heat wave, which is it 472 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: like the Chinese seat wave isn't just like just a 473 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: climate change thing. There's other stuff going on here. There's 474 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: there's there's like a very specific like confluence of like 475 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: weather phenomenon like the Indi India and stuff like that 476 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: that like Cohen's had to coincide to make a heat 477 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: wave this bad. But the problem is like that stuff 478 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: is all going to happen again, and you know, so 479 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: we're we're gonna we're gonna get like, yeah, We're we're 480 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: gonna keep getting heat waves like this and yeah, unless 481 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: we do something differently, yeah, I mean we won't. I mean, well, 482 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,120 Speaker 1: you know, we'll twiddle around the edges Um. The bind 483 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: administration snuck some language into the inflation bill that might 484 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,400 Speaker 1: allow the federal government to regulate CEO to still after 485 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court said they couldn't but maybe not could you, Chris, 486 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,439 Speaker 1: would you why why don't we send a message to 487 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: the people in Shanghai and let him know that that'll 488 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: that'll listen to the podcast. Yeah, policymakers who listen to 489 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: the podcast, UM, I don't know like it. This is 490 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: it's one of those if we were to take if 491 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: all of the policymakers who listened to our show were 492 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: to take all of our advice immediately, um, and we 493 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: were to transition every city away from being vehicle centered 494 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: and like effectively cut our emissions by or more, we 495 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,239 Speaker 1: would still be locked into escalating heat waves like this 496 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 1: all over the world for the rest of our natural 497 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 1: lives because of the way the carbon cycle works. Um. 498 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 1: Not that that wouldn't help in the long run, but 499 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 1: it would certainly not. Like that's one of the things 500 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 1: that's so scary about this is we're all girding ourselves 501 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 1: for the inevitability that this will just become more common 502 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 1: and more devastating. So true. Um, And for everyone that 503 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 1: has a hard time breathing, there's always always the hope 504 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 1: that via geoengineering, we can just pump more pollution into 505 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 1: the air to reflect more sunlight, which will increase well, 506 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: which of other diseases you know. I watched the first 507 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 1: seven seconds of the movie snow piercer, and that does 508 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 1: seem like an idea that would work. It's funny when 509 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: when I was in school, I read like I read 510 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 1: one of the first papers that was talking about this, 511 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 1: and like the guy in the paper is like the 512 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 1: opening of the paper is him literally going, this is 513 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: a bad idea. We should only do this if there's 514 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: literally no other choice. And then also like, this is 515 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 1: the thing we do for like ten years to buy 516 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: us more time to deal with regular climate change. And 517 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: then as the years have gone on and as nothing 518 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: has happened, you just gotta watch like, well, yeah, there's 519 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: a Barack Obama's favorite book, Ministry for the Future, which 520 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 1: is legitimately very good book. It's just funny that he 521 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: likes it because it absolutely embraces terrorism in different killing politicians. 522 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 1: It embraces sneaking into the house of oil and gas 523 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: executives and murdering them in the night, as well as 524 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: a wonky carbon crypto fucking investment portfolio. But like, there's 525 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: a lot of different ideas that yeah, like like a 526 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: lot of the characters in that book would have killed Obama. 527 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: Like it's yes, it's very like um, but one of 528 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: the things that book deals with. The inciting incident of 529 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: that book is a horrible wet bulb um moment in 530 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: India that kills I think it's millions of people and 531 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: just that like a nightmare disaster. Um. And one of 532 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: the things the Indian government does, as a result, against 533 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: the express wishes of the global community is start like 534 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: essentially like an atmosphere exceeding program in order to mitigate 535 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 1: how bad the heat waves are. And like there's a 536 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 1: bunch of consequences to that. And I kind of think 537 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: one of the things that's most realistic about that book 538 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: is as we have more ship like this happen, you 539 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: will have nations on their own carry out climate mitigation 540 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: efforts that could have serious effects on other countries. Because 541 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: any of this stuff you do, like if you if you, 542 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: if you seed clouds in the Southwest or whatever in 543 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: order to increase rain, to raise the level of lake 544 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: mead um, that will like you can't funk with the 545 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: water cycle like that and not have impacts other places. Um. 546 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: And And this is a thing that certainly global law, 547 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: like like the international legal system is not ready to 548 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: deal with. Um And it's certainly something that our media 549 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,040 Speaker 1: ecosystem is not ready to deal with and it it 550 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: it will happen. This is an inevitability in my opinion. 551 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, one of the things that we do 552 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: want to talk more about is the reaction to this 553 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: type of thing is going to be by capitalist countries 554 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: and like the climate Leviathan model is going to be 555 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: too basically privatize the atmosphere and privatize the sky um 556 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: and different ways that sure, but in pure hate in 557 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 1: your face their gear. But between all of like the 558 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: corporate like space projects and then stuff with g engineering, 559 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: it's just gonna be renting out sections of the atmosphere 560 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 1: so that people can pump things into uh to for whatever, 561 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: for whatever kind of carbon neutral thing they want to do, 562 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: or pumping ship into the atmosphere here is what got 563 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: us into this problem and it's what's going to get 564 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: us out so true to make money somehow. It's uh, 565 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: it's kind of funny that in the U. S H. 566 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw this, but like this 567 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: month which we were recording this in August, there was 568 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: a discussion about how the water was going to be 569 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 1: used in the Colorado River by the various states that 570 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: I did I did read that yes, very very depressing report. 571 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: It's it's yeah, yeah. I just it ended with like 572 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 1: basically each of them chest stumping at each other, a 573 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: big like no funk you. I'll take as much water 574 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: as I want. I'm upstream of you. I think Utah 575 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: were the ones particularly belligerent in that case. But it 576 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: is the opposite of what we need to do. But 577 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: here we are doing it. I was in Utah last 578 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: this month looking at new golf courses being built by 579 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: Fisher towers. Sound of the desert there and it's great. 580 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: There's a fun Okay, So andreas Mom's last book before 581 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: he kind of went off the like weird Nico leninist rails, 582 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: it was called Fossil Capital, and he's a really interesting 583 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: argument that like one of the reasons that we got 584 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: into his mouse in the first place, one of the 585 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: reasons like country companies started adopting Cole was that even 586 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: though coal was less efficient as like a source of 587 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: electricity than having like water mills water like having a 588 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: succession of water mills going down the same river requires 589 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: a bunch of different corporations to like coordinate with each other, 590 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 1: and they don't want to do that. And because sort 591 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 1: of like the laws around who controls rivers is really 592 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: sort of unclear, like they were just like not screwed 593 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 1: this where it's gonna use coal even though it's worse. 594 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: And the fun part about this is now we get 595 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 1: to get this again with like river law, where it's like, 596 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 1: oh hey, it turns out that capitalists and capitalist states 597 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: are just utterly incapable of like sharing resources with each other, 598 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: and they're just gonna try to section off increasingly large 599 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: parts of it, which is going to go increasingly badly. Yeah. 600 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: I mean, it's like one of the things you're the 601 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: failure to be able to imagine anything that exists outside 602 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: of a profit and loss kind of mentality. Um is 603 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: one of the major problems that we have like all 604 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: over with this, like there's right now. One of the 605 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: big stories coming out of the UK is that as 606 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: a result of the war in Ukraine and gas prices, 607 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: the cost of heating has risen fucking massively. This is 608 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: a problem for all of Europe UM and a lot 609 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: of families in the UK are looking at the numbers. 610 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 1: I've seen any like four thousand and even six seven 611 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 1: thousand pounds to heat their houses during the winter. Which 612 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: is like ten to fifteen thousand real dollars. It's a 613 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 1: lot of money, um, and it's substantially an excess of 614 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 1: of what they have been paying in the past. And 615 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 1: it's like that is enough. I mean, imagine yourself how 616 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: many people live. I mean, I guess it's a small 617 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 1: fraction of people listening who could afford an extra ten 618 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: to twelve thousand dollars in builds this winter and not 619 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 1: have it completely fucked their lives up. So obviously people 620 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 1: cannot a for their heating um this winter. And like, 621 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: if you can't pay a bill, you're not going to 622 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: pay a bill, right, That's one of the laws of 623 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 1: the Iron laws of finance. Bills that can't be paid 624 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: won't be paid. So the state is coming in, but 625 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: the state is not. Again, these companies, basically all of 626 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:20,320 Speaker 1: these companies are would be essentially insolvent, like if things 627 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: were allowed to proceed naturally, So the government's going to 628 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: have to do something. But the thing the government isn't 629 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 1: going to do is like actually nationalize any of these 630 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: heating companies. It's it's just going to like pump more 631 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 1: tax anyway. It's it's it's it's the same thing. It's 632 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 1: a failure to kind of imagine anything outside of this. 633 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,799 Speaker 1: Well maybe if capitalism has broken down around this issue, 634 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: this isn't an issue that should continue to be in 635 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 1: the hands of corporations. Yeah, well, and but the fun 636 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,479 Speaker 1: part about this too is that like okay, it's like, well, okay, 637 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 1: well okay, well nationalize this and that will save us. 638 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 1: And then you look at like what do act what 639 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 1: do most of the world's nationally owned corporations look like? 640 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: And it's like, well, okay, so the government owns it 641 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 1: the stock, but then it functions actually like a normal company. 642 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: I'm not saying like the solution is not Sorry James, 643 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 1: you're you're the actual Britain in this room. Yes, it's 644 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 1: kind of funny because in Britain people are living on 645 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: state pensions or a certain other like state programs, state 646 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 1: disability and stuff. Get a winter fuel allowance normally, and 647 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 1: the winter fuel allowance to schedule to go up like 648 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 1: like less than a tenth of that that that amount 649 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: that you just said would be the increased in the 650 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 1: cost of heating, right, And it's still sort of it's 651 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,239 Speaker 1: just so funny to see like in theory Britain has 652 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,359 Speaker 1: several political parties, all of them especially with labor under 653 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: kiss DAMA like a clustered under a neoliberal consensus and 654 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: kiss that like, rather than considering doing anything, they are 655 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,839 Speaker 1: bickering over like how much of a pittance they want 656 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 1: to throw to poor people. I mean, yes, yeah. It's 657 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 1: also very funny that Britain did build a desalination plant 658 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 1: in the Thames Estuary um and forgot to account for 659 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,719 Speaker 1: the fact that due to it being an estuary the 660 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 1: river coming in and out, the levels of salt in 661 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 1: the water would change and that would make the decentation 662 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 1: And it's fucking I think it's bio diesel fueled. It's 663 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 1: just awesome. It's magnificent. Yeah, we've got great leaders over 664 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 1: there and we don't need to change. Yeah. No, you 665 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 1: you you seem to. Whenever I think of countries that 666 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 1: have their ship together, I think the UK um. Yeah, 667 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: you've got to remember that Nazis used bicycles when you're 668 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 1: considering your options for transport and climate change in the future. 669 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:46,359 Speaker 1: Deranged British tweets of the day. Yeah, I mean, hey, okay, look, 670 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 1: look the one the one very dim silver lining is 671 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,880 Speaker 1: that maybe this will cause the British the entire British 672 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 1: political system to collapse. It never happens like twice a year, right, No, 673 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,440 Speaker 1: but but what collapse? Well, like, okay, here's the thing, 674 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 1: right if if you have enough people who the government 675 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: is trying to pay their bills, they start throwing Maltov's 676 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 1: that stuff like this is a it's like this, this 677 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,799 Speaker 1: is actually a pretty reliable like one of the very 678 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 1: reliable things that gets people to go fight police is 679 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 1: like you suddenly increased the price of gas that you 680 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 1: don't need to drive or need to like heat their houses. 681 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 1: So maybe I don't know, but then British people will 682 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 1: also be barking for us to send the troops against 683 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,960 Speaker 1: the people who are protesting for the right. Yeah, with dignity. 684 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 1: It's one thing we love to do. Yeah, it's it's 685 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 1: a it's a it's a fun it's a fun country. 686 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's a fun tree. Oh man, all right, 687 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 1: well are we are? We? Are we good? Have we 688 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,720 Speaker 1: have we solved this one? For all the policy makers 689 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 1: who listened to our show, Yeah yeah, hit me up. 690 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:03,240 Speaker 1: Fucking Lindsay Graham, huge fan of the pod, Lindsay Graham, 691 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 1: Old yeah, Lindsay Graham's actually just voted to subsidize Molotov 692 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 1: cocktail production. So thank you, Thank you. Lindsay are are 693 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,279 Speaker 1: based fan of the policy makers who listened to our show. 694 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,920 Speaker 1: He must have been looking at the research. Mm hmmm. 695 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,560 Speaker 1: It's the only way, it's the only real way to 696 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:39,319 Speaker 1: stop climate change, to make use of fossil fuels in cocktails. Yeah, 697 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 1: it could happen Here is a production of cool Zone Media. 698 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website 699 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: cool zone media dot com, or check us out on 700 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,759 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 701 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 1: listen to podcasts. 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