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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome back to the Hemmer Territory Podcast.

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Speaker 1: This is episode three two eight. My name is Brad

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Speaker 1: Rowland and I'm joined on this Sunday. It's February first,

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Speaker 1: a new month, and by the way, it's a baseball month.

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Speaker 2: I'm joined by Scott Coleman. Scott, what's going on?

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Speaker 3: Hello, Brad? You are absolutely right, it is baseball month.

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Speaker 3: We are about three weeks away as we record, from

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Speaker 3: the first spring training games for the Atlanta Braves, and

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Speaker 3: that's exciting. And I would say the earlier parts of

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Speaker 3: this offseason probably had a little more activity than what

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Speaker 3: we've seen in the last few weeks for the Braves.

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Speaker 2: Who knows.

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Speaker 3: We're basically in the final week of the off season now.

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Speaker 3: You would sure think that these remaining free agents would

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Speaker 3: need to find a place to call home here pretty

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Speaker 3: soon before things really ramp up down in Florida and

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Speaker 3: out in Arizona. But yeah, we're almost here. We're like

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Speaker 3: less than sixty days away from opening day at this point,

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Speaker 3: and you know, every day we're just one day closer

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Speaker 3: and closer to real baseball being back in our lives.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean pictures and cutchers report in nine days.

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Speaker 1: February tenth is the brave state for the first bit

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Speaker 1: of actual activity. We make fun of this all the time,

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Speaker 1: but like you get the one video shot of guys

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Speaker 1: walking into the facility, and that's kind of it the

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Speaker 1: first couple of days, but hey, it does mark the

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Speaker 1: start of something. The full squad is due to arrive

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Speaker 1: two weeks from today, the fifteenth of February, so we're

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Speaker 1: getting closer and closer to that. And as you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: the first game setting and not every game was televised,

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Speaker 1: all that fun stuff, but we're three weeks away from that.

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Speaker 1: So baseball is kind of here. We're in that nether

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Speaker 1: region where you and I like football, and this is

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Speaker 1: the dead zone of Super Bowl week. It kind of

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Speaker 1: begins now, but there's no football this week. The Pro

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Speaker 1: Bowl nons all this stuff. But it's like, oh, baseball

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Speaker 1: is happening. If people kind of turn their attention if

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Speaker 1: you're not about If you're a basketball person, then it's

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Speaker 1: basketball season. If you don't like basketball, it's basically it's

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Speaker 1: baseball or baseball and baseball from now until football returns

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Speaker 1: basically in August September. So some excitement there. If you

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Speaker 1: are new to the podcast. We are here a territory.

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Speaker 2: We cover the.

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Speaker 1: Braves all year round. Every week of the year, we

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Speaker 1: will have content on this fee, whether in audio form

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Speaker 1: or video form. We're part of Foul Territory and they

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Speaker 1: do a great job every single day. Those guys are

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Speaker 1: always on the air. It seems like shouts to them.

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Speaker 1: There are bosses, but also great content and there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of like there's like a lead thing today, there's

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Speaker 1: no like breaking news. We'll talk about some stuff that's

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Speaker 1: happening in the Braves world. There's some nuggets, there's some

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Speaker 1: reporting to get to. There was a signing that is

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Speaker 1: of interest, not a blockbuster by any means, but of

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Speaker 1: interest to me. First though, we got some questions about

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Speaker 1: a report from Mark finesand MLB dot com and he

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Speaker 1: listed the Brave as one of seven. So it's a

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Speaker 1: lot of suitors, but seven suitors for Frebrivaldez, who is

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Speaker 1: still unsigned. Our most recent show on this feed was

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Speaker 1: our colleagues Sean Coleman Steven Tolbert talking about the recent

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Speaker 1: Braves ties to guys like Chris Bassett and Lucas Gielito.

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Speaker 2: Still have Zach Gallon.

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Speaker 1: Out there on the market, there are four real starring

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Speaker 1: right now into February, which is not the usual thing.

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Speaker 1: And what that is jumping off point Scott, like, are

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Speaker 1: these guys gonna sign at some point? And also what

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Speaker 1: did you make of the Braves being somewhat officially tied

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Speaker 3: I mean they have to sign soon, right, do they?

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Speaker 2: I got to know, I guess not.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's about six o'clock Eastern time on Sunday

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Speaker 3: as we are recording this, just to put that time

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Speaker 3: Spring training is very long for pitchers and catchers. And

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Speaker 3: it's just such a build up process that you don't

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Speaker 3: if these guys don't sign in the next I don't know,

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Speaker 3: be delayed. I'm fascinated by Framber Valdez. I know he

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Speaker 3: no mistake about it, if that one pitch was just

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Speaker 3: have no problem getting a five, six, seven year deal

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Speaker 3: Braves to Framber Valdez. They could absolutely use him. I

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Speaker 3: have a special year. I just we've said it before

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Speaker 1: I think the longer this goes, the more likely it

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Speaker 1: market may not be that what it was supposed to be,

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Speaker 1: But we've talked about it a lot, and so Sean

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Speaker 1: Stevens won't have to repeat all that stuff again. But

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Speaker 1: Chris Bassett would help this team. He would, and he's

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Speaker 1: Some teams that actually might have been in the market

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Speaker 1: process of elimination, like the pie is slimmer, and that

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Speaker 3: Makes total sense. Because if teams know they have to

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Speaker 2: It really is.

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Speaker 1: You actually put me before the show. I didn't fully

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Speaker 2: Basically, it's kind of it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, there's a couple of old, kind of

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Speaker 3: Marcelo Zuna, Rhys Hoskins. That's pretty much it. Man, Like,

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Speaker 3: group of starting pitchers. I don't know, Brad, let me

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Speaker 3: let me ask you this. We've talked about Framber. I mean, yes,

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Speaker 3: they would lose the draft pick, but Brave signed Framber.

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Speaker 3: that Alex did all of his background on Framer. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but Zach Gallen, Like, what do you think about Zach Gallen?

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Speaker 3: of telling. But he's clearly a talented guy. He's been

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Speaker 2: But I mean, where are you at with Gallen? Interested?

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Speaker 1: You know, he's the one where I know I said

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Speaker 1: I didn't care about Framber. The only limitation about the draft

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Speaker 1: probably unless it was comically cheap, which it won't be

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Speaker 1: for Framber. Maybe if if Gallon's market just is like

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Speaker 1: never been in love with with a Gallon experience. The

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Speaker 1: looking to argue on his behalf is like, hey, talent's

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Speaker 1: still there. He's been a workhorse, has had upside in

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Speaker 1: the past. Perhaps the Braves and It had success with

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Speaker 1: this in the past, like identifying something that they like

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Speaker 1: if they give him nine figures, which I think would

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Speaker 1: do that and like see something. So I'm not like

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Speaker 1: a blind appeal to authority person. But given the history

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Speaker 1: best thought about? Like, I mean, again, this is very

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Speaker 1: unscientific on February first, but like it's an interesting topic.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So the chance that either Bryce Elder or Joey

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Speaker 3: Wentz is on the roster opening day roster, I'm gonna

435
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Speaker 3: say like seventy percent, But then one of them are

436
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Speaker 3: both one of them, I don't.

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Speaker 2: Think you can.

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Speaker 3: I don't think you can get both of them on

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Speaker 3: the roster.

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Speaker 2: I agree with that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, But for whatever reason, the Braves like to

442
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Speaker 3: keep Bryce Elder around and why why?

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Speaker 1: By the way, I've made plenty of fun of Bryce

444
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Speaker 1: Elder in the past. I do think there's a reason,

445
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Speaker 1: like to keep him around if you can. He is

446
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Speaker 1: a guy that can. He's a major league pitcher. I

447
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Speaker 1: don't think he's a particularly good one, but he's probably

448
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Speaker 1: got a little bit too mucheap for me in the past,

449
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Speaker 1: so I'll soften my stance a little bit on this one.

450
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Speaker 1: Like we have seen Bryce Elder go out there and

451
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Speaker 1: throw six shutout innings before, we've also seen him get

452
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Speaker 1: absolutely blasted and in the fourth inning Brian Snitker is

453
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Speaker 1: walking out to the mound because the Astros have scored

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Speaker 1: nine runs.

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Speaker 3: Like, there's everything in between for Elder. But I do

456
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Speaker 3: think that between Elder and Wentz, I think the Braves

457
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Speaker 3: and Anthopolis, who really prioritize depth, will want to keep

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Speaker 3: one of those guys around. You know. Joey Wentz was

459
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Speaker 3: interesting last year. He got off to that fantastic start

460
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Speaker 3: with Atlanta off the scrap heap, but then in the

461
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Speaker 3: last month things went kind of sideways. His era was

462
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Speaker 3: like eight in his last handful of appearances, but his

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Speaker 3: underlying data was actually pretty strong. He had like a

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Speaker 3: FIP and an ex FIP and an expected ray in

465
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Speaker 3: like the upper threes, but his era was double that.

466
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Speaker 3: So I don't really know what to make of Joey Wentz.

467
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Speaker 3: He's a journeyman at this point. He's been right on

468
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Speaker 3: the cusp of the majors, but really hasn't been good enough.

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Speaker 3: But to answer the question, I would lean towards Bryce

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Speaker 3: Elder because of the familiarity. He has a rubber arm.

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Speaker 3: Maybe in a bullpen roll Bryce could increase his velocity

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Speaker 3: a little bit and throw that slider that has been

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Speaker 3: effective at times. Maybe Elder is like your eighth man

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Speaker 3: who can eat multiple innings, and if he's throwing the

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Speaker 3: ball well out of the bullpen, he could go an

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Speaker 3: inning or two in middle leverage or even high leverage

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Speaker 3: if you had to. That would be my guess.

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Speaker 2: What about you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is one where I will be reading the

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Speaker 1: tea leaves from what is said by wat Weiss. If

481
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Speaker 1: Alex never talks about like what they make of these guys,

482
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Speaker 1: what's been reported, maybe I Bomy gets something down there.

483
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Speaker 1: I know there's some flux, there's a new agency writer

484
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Speaker 1: all that stuff. Because Whence has experience in the bullpen

485
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Speaker 1: and Elder does not, Elder's had one major League appearance

486
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Speaker 1: of the bullpen once?

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Speaker 2: Is it's seventy eight of those? Does that matter? Maybe not?

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Speaker 1: Because I think you're right. I think there's a world

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Speaker 1: where Elders stuff plays up a little bit. He does

490
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Speaker 1: have that one pitch that's his best pitch that you

491
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Speaker 1: could probably throw more out of the bullpen perhaps once

492
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Speaker 1: he's lefty. Does that matter at all? I don't know,

493
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Speaker 1: but that's a I'm not trying to copy, I promise.

494
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Speaker 1: It's like so hard to answer without knowing what they're

495
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Speaker 1: going to do, what they're willing to do with Lopez

496
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Speaker 1: and Holmes, Like forget for a second, forget Framber, Gallon, Bassett, whatever,

497
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Speaker 1: Please sign on those guys. But if they don't, are

498
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Speaker 1: are they willing to have Lopez just being the bullpen?

499
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Speaker 1: Are they willing to have Holmes being the bullpen? Carson Waldrup?

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Speaker 1: Is he just penciled into a spot in rotation? Like

501
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Speaker 1: there's always end of course, there's questions at the end

502
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Speaker 1: of rotation, to the point where it's like hard to

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Speaker 1: answer between Elder and Wentz. I'm kind of with you

504
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Speaker 1: if you do the math of it all, maybe a

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Speaker 1: little bit lower, but like I would go about fifty

506
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Speaker 1: percent though that one of them is on the team,

507
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Speaker 1: because they could just be in different roles and Wiss

508
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Speaker 1: we haven't seen whist that is he gonna want a

509
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Speaker 1: long man.

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Speaker 2: I would want a long man.

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Speaker 1: Like the Josh Tomlin memorial role whatever, you want to

512
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Speaker 1: pick your old or one of our old friends. But like, oh,

513
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Speaker 1: but at the same time, what if that's grand Holmes.

514
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it could be.

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Speaker 1: And if it is, like, then you really don't need

516
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Speaker 1: Elder or Wentz. And could you sneak Joey Wentz? Could

517
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Speaker 1: you df Joey Wentz and bring him back to Gwinette?

518
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Speaker 1: I think maybe I think Older might get claimed. I

519
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Speaker 1: think Elder is like.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think like Elder has been productive enough over

521
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Speaker 3: the years that somebody the Chicago White Sox, who probably

522
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Speaker 3: are looking for innings, or the detro you know, pick

523
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Speaker 3: a bad baseball team, and that's honestly, that's probably Elder's

524
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Speaker 3: like death.

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Speaker 1: I don't mean that in a negative way, but like

526
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Speaker 1: he should probably be a major league starting pitcher, just

527
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Speaker 1: like a fourth or fifth on a not so good team.

528
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Speaker 1: That's kind of what I think Bryce Older's level is.

529
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,439
Speaker 1: But look, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe maybe they'll put them

530
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Speaker 1: in the bullpen this spring and they'll be like, huh,

531
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Speaker 1: Bryce Elder might play up a little bit, And that's

532
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Speaker 1: definitely possible to me. I'm not crossing that off. So

533
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Speaker 1: I appreciate the question. I wish we had a more

534
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Speaker 1: straight ahead answer. I think we're both in the camp

535
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Speaker 1: of like probably one of them. Uh, it's just hard

536
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Speaker 1: and just by math, the chances go down if they

537
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Speaker 1: sign one of the pictures. If they signed Framber or Bassett,

538
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 1: everyone's down a pig. So by proxy, those guys get

539
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Speaker 1: down in the pig. Yeah, because look, I mean the

540
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Speaker 1: people that always yell at us for one to start

541
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Speaker 1: a picture, they're gonna lee, They're gonna do the thing

542
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Speaker 1: with the name of every on a list, my favorite thing.

543
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Speaker 1: And then it's like, whoa Renaldo Greg Holmes is our

544
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Speaker 1: seventh starter. It's like, well, yes, but also he's gonna

545
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Speaker 1: be in the bullpen.

546
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Speaker 3: Or whatever, so we'll.

547
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Speaker 2: Stop talking about this.

548
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Speaker 1: But I thought it was interesting to kind of bring

549
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Speaker 1: up now because it is kind of related to Martine Perez.

550
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Speaker 1: I don't know if, in fact, I do know Martin

551
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: Perez makes no sense of the bullpen. In my opinion,

552
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 1: I think he is a starter only, whereas I could

553
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Speaker 1: at least see a world where Elder or Wentz are

554
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Speaker 1: in the bullpen.

555
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 2: So sure, yeah, and no options.

556
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Speaker 1: If they had options, I can guarantee you Alex would

557
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Speaker 1: just be like all right, seeing Bunette. We'll call you

558
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: back up later.

559
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but they don't have opositions this time around, so

560
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Speaker 3: we'll see. Yeah, especially early in the year, Like you,

561
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Speaker 3: pictures are usually a little more restricted in the first

562
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Speaker 3: couple of weeks of the season. If pick a picture

563
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Speaker 3: in the rotation is just getting schlacked in the first

564
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Speaker 3: couple of weeks for the Braves, I think Walt Weis

565
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 3: will want to get him out of the game. You

566
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Speaker 3: don't want to push somebody to one hundred pitches just

567
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Speaker 3: for the sake of eating one hundred pitches on April ninth,

568
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,919
Speaker 3: when you have one hundred and fifty games ahead of you.

569
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Speaker 3: I just I think that it makes sense to carry

570
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Speaker 3: a long man. It could be Elder, it could be Once,

571
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 3: It could be someone else they sign up the scrap heap.

572
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 3: It could be Holmes in a hybrid role. I mean,

573
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Speaker 3: there's these are It's a storyline, to be sure, It's

574
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Speaker 3: one of the real storylines for spring training for.

575
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Speaker 1: The Braves, other than injury updates, which I know Steven

576
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 1: and Sean covered last week a little bit on the show.

577
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: The number two thing I'm looking for, as far as

578
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Speaker 1: like public comments and public reporting is like all the

579
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Speaker 1: stuff about this this kind of picture. Yeah, Holmes, Lopez,

580
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Speaker 1: even Waldrip, who I know, Like people are like, there's

581
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Speaker 1: a world of wich he's in triple A. Like I'm

582
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: not saying that's gonna happen, but that's like a non

583
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Speaker 1: zero chance.

584
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Speaker 3: So I will say this, I think because of the options,

585
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 3: I think there is a higher probability that Bryce Elder

586
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 3: is on the opening day roster than Hirston Waldrop.

587
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Speaker 2: And that's not baby.

588
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 3: That is not because Bryce Elder is a better pitcher

589
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 3: than Herston Mardrips. But you can send Hurston to Gwinnette,

590
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 3: you probably cannot send Bryce Elder to Gwinnette. And just

591
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 3: knowing how this team likes to operate, I really do

592
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 3: think that Waldrip is probably going to get squeezed, even

593
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 3: if it's not fair to him. He could have a

594
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 3: great spring, it's it's not going to be fair to him.

595
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 3: But having options this time of year is a curse

596
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 3: for players who probably could be on the roster but

597
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 3: don't have to be on the roster. I think Waldrip

598
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 3: is probably going to be the poster child for at

599
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 3: this spring, even if he's probably going to find himself

600
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Speaker 3: back with the Braves, and I mean it could be

601
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Speaker 3: weeks into the season.

602
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 2: Quite honestly, I.

603
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Speaker 1: Feel like every spring we have to explain that to

604
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Speaker 1: people that it's not necessarily who's the better player. It's

605
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: kind of like deo options or don't you Alex is big?

606
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: Maybe to his detriment, I kind of. I think he's

607
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: right about this most of the time. But Alex really

608
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: really likes to go down the rabbit hole of maximum

609
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: flexibility with options and things, and that leads you to

610
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Speaker 1: something like that. While I'm not sure I would go

611
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: as far as you just did, I think it's very

612
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Speaker 1: reasonable the point you're making, like, no one should be

613
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: shocked if Herson Walter IP is not on the opening

614
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: day roster. Even if that sounds crazy to people right now,

615
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure it does. People are probably young at their

616
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: phones or whatever. It's not because we like Kirsten Walter.

617
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: It's not about that. It's that if they have if

618
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Speaker 1: everybody else is healthy, which is a good problem to have,

619
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Speaker 1: they start doing the math and he's like the only

620
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Speaker 1: one that can send it to triple at literally the

621
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Speaker 1: only one homes down of options too, like do the

622
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Speaker 1: math everybody, So we'll see that'd be interesting. I will

623
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Speaker 1: put a pin in that a note to follow, But yeah,

624
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: watch Braineury updates and watch for.

625
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 2: Like, hey, this guy's in the bullpen.

626
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Speaker 1: This guy's doing it's gonna be uh a lot of

627
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: moving parts in the coming days. It's going. Before we

628
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: get out of here, I wanted to ask you about

629
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Speaker 1: a couple of farm system rankings, which is not usually

630
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: what you and I specialize in, and we will always

631
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: admit that on the podcast. We're not prospect experts. We

632
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: hope to have on the show to cover this stuff

633
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: more than we do to inform us. But in the

634
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: last like four days, ESPN and The Athletic which is

635
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: kind of Daniel Espn, Keith Wawt the Athletic, two big

636
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: names in the industry, came out with their farm system rankings,

637
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Speaker 1: and the Braves were in the bottom five in both

638
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: of them. I wasn't surprised. I don't think you were either.

639
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: But it's been a talking point this winter because of

640
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: like I know, Steve and I talked about perhaps the

641
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: Freddy Parolta trade as a barometer of this well, like

642
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: could the bres even offer this package that that landed

643
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: Freddy Perarolta tell me about that. But it's just a

644
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,959
Speaker 1: reminder to people. While there are guys in a system

645
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: that we like that Gorvidak likes, the people that cover

646
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: system like that know these things. The system overall from

647
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Speaker 1: the experts is not seen as terribly strong, and it's

648
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: still pitching heavy. Yeah, and pitching is just more volatile

649
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: than position players. To the Brad's credit, as we talked

650
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: about with Steven and that I last week, part of

651
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: this is that they've hit a lot of guys quickly.

652
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:04,959
Speaker 1: Like Drake Baldwin could still be a prospect right now,

653
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: he's not. He graduated last year, was Rookie of the Year. So, like,

654
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: it's a good problem to have. But did you have

655
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: a reaction to bottom five and a couple of the

656
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: major prospects things at this point?

657
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 3: You know, I don't think it was a big surprise necessarily,

658
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 3: And you know what, at the end of the day,

659
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 3: defarm system rankings mean all that much, Like.

660
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: Well, well, no they don't, but it helps. It helps

661
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: that if you're number two, you'd be excited about it.

662
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: I mean, you and I covered the You and I

663
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: covered the Braves when they were rebuilding and they were

664
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: up there in the top five a lot, and it

665
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: helped them. It did help them in the end to

666
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: either trade prospects or promote them, like it's better to

667
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: be one than thirty. But I also see your point,

668
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: like it's not an exact science, nor would I know

669
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: Kylie a little bit, like he would even tell you

670
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: like it doesn't mean that much, Like who's number of

671
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: twenty three versus number twenty Eight's kind of like irrelevant basically.

672
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, so you know, I thought it was good

673
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 3: to see cam Kmen is a consensus top one hundred prospect.

674
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 3: He was in the top forty for Keith Law, which

675
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 3: is good. Jr. Richie is also pretty close to being

676
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 3: a consensus top one hundred guy. I think one of

677
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 3: the big outlets did not have Richie top one hundred.

678
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 3: But as players graduate in the coming weeks, Ritchie'll probably

679
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 3: find himself, especially if he gets off to a good

680
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 3: start in the miners. And then Ditty or Fintez got

681
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 3: some love as well. Our guy did heer. I mean,

682
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 3: it's amazing that poor kid thrown to the wolves. I

683
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 3: still don't know what the braves are doing. That was

684
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 3: that was.

685
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: It was, It was a rare time when I think,

686
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: even if we disagree with the Braves, we can usually

687
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: explain what they're maybe thinking and like, hey, there's a

688
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: rationale behind it. That was a rare time when all

689
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: four of us were like, I don't really know what's

690
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: going on here, and like you got Bowman making fun

691
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: of him about it like every single day, and it

692
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: was just this weird like cycle of And I think

693
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: because of that, people have kind of memory hold Diddier

694
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: like he's a real prospect, Like he shouldn't be cast

695
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: aside because he got killed last year.

696
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 2: He wish he wasn't ready. He's still one of.

697
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: Their best five prospects, Like it seems like by the

698
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:09,719
Speaker 1: people that don't think's more than I do.

699
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 2: So remember remember him. He's still important for sure. Yeah.

700
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 3: I mean the fact they kept throwing him out there

701
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 3: for what he made five starts before they finally pulled

702
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 3: the plug. It was that's all bad for the kid.

703
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's rare that I feel bad for

704
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 3: a professional athlete. But I was like, dear God, get

705
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 3: this poor kid. I don't want his confidence like permanently shaken.

706
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 3: Get him back to Gwinett. I think Diddier will really

707
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 3: benefit from regular starter.

708
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: He's still twenty He's twenty years old right now. I

709
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: mean I forgot, I actually forgot how young he was. I

710
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: know he was young. I checked just now he's he

711
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: doesn't turn twenty one until June. That's good, he was.

712
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: I believe Diddyer was the youngest player in the major

713
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: leagues when he was called up last summer. But yeah,

714
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: so again, in the eyes of the objective prospect evaluators,

715
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: the Braves did not grade out super well. At the

716
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: same time, man, like the Dodgers have a top five

717
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: farm system every year, who who is the last like

718
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: really good homegrown player the Dodgers have developed, like it

719
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: is what it is. And if the Braves have not

720
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: great farm rankings, but every summer they call up Spencer

721
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: Schwallenbach and Drake Baldwin and Hurston Waldrip and like, I

722
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: guarantee you there's someone who is nowhere near a top

723
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: one hundred prospect list who is going to get called

724
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: up in June or July and will make a big

725
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: impact for the team.

726
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 3: It's not a perfect science. And as you said, I

727
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 3: think the prospect evaluators and writers would tell you it's

728
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 3: not a perfect science, but like, I'm not losing sleep

729
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 3: over the Braves being ranked twenty six by MLB Pipeline

730
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 3: in in farm system talent.

731
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: No, I hope you would. I don't think you mind

732
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 1: be saying this. I sent a text to our good

733
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 1: friend Carls Colazo, former co host of this podcast, just

734
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: to do some like dummy checks on the system at

735
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: one point in the last couple of weeks, and he

736
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 1: was just kind of like, there's some guys that the like, Like,

737
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: there's some guys in the system that people like. It's

738
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: just more about it's the quality. It's how close there

739
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: are the majors a lot of these things and are

740
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: like not for the Lake in total, but it's they're

741
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: gonna lead position player heavy for the top systems, and

742
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,439
Speaker 1: the brands are not that the brands are pitching heavy,

743
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: so it's like there's a downgrade there already. Kem Netty's

744
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: like kind of far away still, he's there to no

745
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: more prospect. All these things kind of matter in the

746
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: rankings part of this, But it does not mean the

747
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: brands are hopeless there. It's just that they are not

748
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: stocked in the way they were maybe eight years ago

749
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: or whatever it.

750
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 3: Was, and you're really feeling the impacts now of the

751
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 3: international free agent bank.

752
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that this team.

753
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 3: Because those kids are sixteen years old when they sign,

754
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 3: while that was six years ago, seven years ago, Well,

755
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 3: they would be prime prospect age at this.

756
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: Well then, and they missed on one recently I think

757
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 1: Steve talked about on the podcast, but there was one

758
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: in twenty two or twenty three one of their biggest

759
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,479
Speaker 1: guys like already flamed out like a guard.

760
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 2: I'm it's not in exact science. It's more about like

761
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 2: do you.

762
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: Have the resources to just keep throwing stuff at it

763
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: and eventually it hit some guys. That's that's what the

764
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: international market is, even more so than the college guiding

765
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: in high school stocky markets, it's like, well.

766
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 2: Bunch of guys and hopefully you hit one or two again.

767
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you're scouting these kids in foreign countries

768
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 3: when they're fifteen years old. I mean, go to a

769
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 3: high school baseball showcase in America and scout the freshman

770
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 3: games and try to pick out what kids are potential

771
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 3: major leaguers. I mean, good freaking luck. I know they

772
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 3: have training academies. There's more. It's more refined than that,

773
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 3: but trying to guess what fifteen year olds are going

774
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,919
Speaker 3: to be good major League baseball players eight years later.

775
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 3: I mean, the hit rate is tiny, and that's why

776
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 3: you just kind of roll the dice. And I mean,

777
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 3: if you hit on one every couple of years, you're

778
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 3: coming out well ahead.

779
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: Good freaking luck, says Scott Coleman about the prospect industry

780
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,919
Speaker 1: in general, which I kind of agree with. Okay, before

781
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: we get out of here, our colleagues did a few

782
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: minutes on this last week, but I wanted to make

783
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: sure that we wait in quickly on this. A lot

784
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: of the major betting outlets name your favorite one, DraftKings, FanDuel,

785
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 1: whatever it is, out with their over unders relatively recently

786
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: on win totals, and you know, it's a big cottage

787
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 1: industry people. It informs projections all these things. The Braves

788
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: are projected to win, like eighty eight and a half,

789
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: eighty nine and a half games, that's their overunder.

790
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 2: Do you have a reaction to that? Did that seem

791
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 2: right to you? It seem low to seem high?

792
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: Like did you have an initial like, oh, were you surprised?

793
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 2: Is that what you thought?

794
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 3: Like? What was your thought when you saw that feels

795
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 3: about right, like, yeah, eighty eight wins. I mean, it

796
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,240
Speaker 3: feels like everything is on the table for this year's

797
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 3: Braves team. If you tell me right now that in October,

798
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 3: this team just won the NL East and is looking

799
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 3: good for a World Series run, I'd believe you, Like sincerely,

800
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 3: I would believe you. If you tell me in early

801
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 3: October that the offense continued to be maddening and they

802
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 3: had another bad luck year of injuries and they missed

803
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 3: the playoffs, I believe you. I'd be disappointed, I'd be

804
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 3: really disappointed, but I would believe you. I think everything

805
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 3: in between. I could see them sneaking into the playoffs.

806
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 3: I could see them comfortably being in the playoffs. I

807
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 3: could see them making the playoffs and then flaming out

808
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 3: in the first round as they have done the last

809
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 3: few years. I really do feel like the range of

810
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 3: outcomes for this team is enormous, and I am sincerely

811
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 3: hoping for a bounce back year. I don't know if

812
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 3: we can do another one sixty two of just the

813
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 3: absolute pain that we have had to talk about on

814
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 3: this podcast since I mean, really, what like May of

815
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four at this point. But I really do hope,

816
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 3: God Willing, the entire pitching staff won't be hurt again.

817
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 3: They're going to have some more consistent consistency in the lineup.

818
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 3: Like there's reasons for optimism here. But I mean, where

819
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 3: are you at with this game? I mean, let me

820
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 3: ask you, Brad, I hand you a million dollars eighty

821
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 3: eight eighty eight and a half wins for the Braves

822
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 3: free free house. Bet million dollars over under eighty eight

823
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 3: and a half wins for the Atlanta Braves next year.

824
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: I would ask if I can wait until I see

825
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: if they sign a picture that wasn't only the options

826
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 1: you were giving me. The house house does not wait

827
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: for any house does not wait for me. I think

828
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: I would lean I think I would lean over. I

829
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: don't like it, though, that means it's a good for me.

830
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: It's a good number. I I think it. If you

831
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: maye project the Braves wintle, it might be literally like

832
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: it might be literally eighty nine, which means I lean over.

833
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: I think it bounce backs coming. I thought that was

834
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: gonna happen before this winter, and I've liked the winter

835
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: so far. I haven't like, I don't give it an

836
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,479
Speaker 1: a plus, but I think it's been a good winter

837
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: they've added well. The loss of Kim hurts some of

838
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: the updated projections or discussions about I'm still like my

839
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: guards up on the injury timelines that have been floated

840
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: out there on Gosaswick Murphy, but if we assume he's

841
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 1: out for a while, that stuff's all downgrades on some level.

842
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: Do I believe the bread are going to sign a

843
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 1: starting picture between now and March first? I hope they do,

844
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't bet my money on that, if that

845
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 1: makes sense, So like.

846
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to have the under.

847
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 1: I think the upside of his team is still like

848
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: a high nineties kind of win team if it comes together.

849
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,399
Speaker 2: We've seen them do that.

850
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: But I also wouldn't like be telling people to run

851
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 1: out and bet their money on the over, you know

852
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like I do a lot of pre

853
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: season over under like recommended bets content on my Atlanta

854
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: Hawks coverage, and I usually have a couple of things

855
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,399
Speaker 1: where I'm like pretty confident, not like tell people spend

856
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 1: their money, but I'm like, hey, I like I really

857
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: actually like proactively like this whatever it is, Awards bat

858
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: or something like that.

859
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 2: I don't have that feeling about the Braves over under.

860
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,919
Speaker 1: I think I would be like, all right, ninety wins, Sure,

861
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: I'll take the over if you make me bet, but

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Speaker 1: my favorite, honestly, my favorite NL East over under. I

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Speaker 1: like the Phillies under, I run. I would take my

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Speaker 1: I take the million dollars you gave me, and bet

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Speaker 1: on the Phillies under versus anything with the Braves.

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Speaker 2: How about that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I actually kind of agree with you. I'm kind

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Speaker 3: of out on the Phillies. I think the Mets are

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Speaker 3: If I had to pick a team that was not

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Speaker 3: the Braves to win the division, I would pick the

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Speaker 3: Mets today.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 3: But it's close. And it also it stinks that I think, objectively,

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Speaker 3: three of the six best rosters in baseball are arguably

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Speaker 3: in the NL East, and one of them is also

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Speaker 3: in the NL West. And there's probably a couple of

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Speaker 3: American League teams sprinkled in there too, so it's going

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Speaker 3: to be a dogfight. I think it reinforces why we

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Speaker 3: want to see the team go out and add another

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Speaker 3: starter in the next couple of weeks, because it really

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Speaker 3: will elevate both the ceiling and the floor for this team.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, it should be. I mean, it's going to

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Speaker 3: be a real fight in the East. I have a

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Speaker 3: hard time seeing any of these three things, three teams

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Speaker 3: just running away with this thing by you know, mid

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Speaker 3: mid September. If it's all just basically ceremonial at that point,

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Speaker 3: I would be surprised. And really the entire National League

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Speaker 3: outside of the Dodgers without a budget. I mean, it

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Speaker 3: feels like the difference between the Braves, the Mets, the Phillies,

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Speaker 3: the Cubs, the Padres, the Brewers, like you can make

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Speaker 3: a real stonefaced argument for any of those teams as

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Speaker 3: like the second best team in the National League is

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Speaker 3: going to be really close, and as always, it's going

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Speaker 3: to come down to who can stay healthy, which is

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Speaker 3: something the Braves have absolutely not had on their side

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Speaker 3: the last two years.

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Speaker 2: But also just how does the ball balance?

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Speaker 3: How do you do in one run baseball games? That's

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Speaker 3: something the Braves were god awful in, especially early last

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Speaker 3: year when they were still technically kind of in it.

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Speaker 3: You would like to think that's going to balance out,

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Speaker 3: just baseball being baseball, but sometimes just run into bad luck.

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Speaker 3: And I really hope the Braves being more complete of

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Speaker 3: a team and a deeper baseball team, that those are

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Speaker 3: going to kind of balance out and get the Braves

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Speaker 3: back towards the top of the East.

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Speaker 1: Agree unsurprisingly if you listen to the show, but occasionally

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Speaker 1: we don't agree, just not so much today.

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Speaker 3: That's fine. We will do our Arizona Michigan segment in

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Speaker 3: about a month.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'll take a I'll take Final four weekend

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Speaker 1: for that would be fun for us, but we're not

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Speaker 1: fun for us either.

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Speaker 3: One.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, plenty of content to come about on college basketball

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Speaker 1: in the future if you are into that sort of thing.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, this is a it's a podcast that's February first.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited about baseball. We're getting there, not quite there yet,

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Speaker 1: but we're getting there. And I do think that there's

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Speaker 1: legitimately stuff to watch for Like I. On one hand,

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Speaker 1: it'd be nice if the Braves didn't have uncertainty and

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Speaker 1: they just had this like gauntlet of a roster that

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Speaker 1: was like locked in.

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Speaker 2: That'd be nice.

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Speaker 1: On one hand, it'd be boring for content. The Brads

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Speaker 1: don't really have that. They have some stuff that's locked

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Speaker 1: in for sure. We understand what what the line up

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Speaker 1: looks like for the most part, but there is some

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Speaker 1: There are some storylines to follow in the next month,

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Speaker 1: six weeks, seven weeks, eight weeks, and we'll be here

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Speaker 1: throughout all of that to cover it for you in detail.

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Speaker 1: If you hate it or whatever, so Scott, anything else

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Speaker 1: you want to say before get out of here.

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Speaker 3: That's right. Hate listening is also encouraged, Like.

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Speaker 1: I'm fin with hate listening. I mean, people, I don't

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Speaker 1: I'd rather you'd rather you like the show. But if

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Speaker 1: you don't like it, it's better if you still listen.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, yell at your radio as you are commuting

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Speaker 3: to and from work if you if you don't love us.

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Speaker 3: But as Bred said, hopefully with baseball on the horizon,

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Speaker 3: we have some good exciting content on the horizon, of course,

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Speaker 3: I mean the off season. We really try to bridge

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Speaker 3: the gap. We try to have a couple of shows

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Speaker 3: every week, but podcast is just so much more fun

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Speaker 3: during baseball season, at least when the team is good.

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Speaker 3: So we'll be here. If you're a new listener, welcome aboard.

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Speaker 3: If you're a longtime listener, thank you for sticking with

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Speaker 3: us through the off season. And I mean, shoot, less

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Speaker 3: than ten days, we will have Atlanta Braids down in

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Speaker 3: Florida camp and a couple days after that, the whole

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Speaker 3: team will be there, and maybe they'll have a couple

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Speaker 3: more new faces between now and then, but nonetheless we'll

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Speaker 3: be here to cover it all absolutely.

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Speaker 1: So please subscribe to Hammer Territory anywhere you find your podcast.

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Speaker 1: Just search for Hammer Territory, Apple, Spotify, YouTube, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: Follow the show on social media as well. But I

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Speaker 1: would say this but if you are a YouTube subscriber

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Speaker 1: already thank you. But if you're not here for listening

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Speaker 1: on audio most of the time, just subscribe on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: It definitely helps us to raise the profile of that channel.

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Speaker 1: Algorithms and all that fun stuff help us grow the podcast.

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Speaker 1: So do us a solid like and subscribe on YouTube

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Speaker 1: and vice versa. If you're a YouTube watcher, please subscribe

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Speaker 1: and download on an audio platform.

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Speaker 2: Choice that helps us and hopefully you want to help

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Speaker 2: us a long way.

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Speaker 1: Scott think for being here. Everybody else will have more

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Speaker 1: talfent later on this week. Stay tuned, subscribe, we'll see

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Speaker 1: everybody next time.