WEBVTT - Stephen A. Smith vs. Black Women: Correct Him, Don’t Cancel Him

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a homegirl that knows a little bit about everything

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<v Speaker 1>and everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't know if you don't lie about that, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Lauren came in. Hey, y'all, what's up.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Laura la Rosa and this is another episode of

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<v Speaker 1>the Latest with Laurena Rosa. This is your daily dig

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<v Speaker 1>on all things pop culture, entertainment, news, and all the

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<v Speaker 1>conversations that shake the room.

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<v Speaker 2>Baby.

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<v Speaker 1>So today we're going to get right on into the

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<v Speaker 1>episode because there is a lot to talk about. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>get on into the Latest. So we talked a lot

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<v Speaker 1>on our last episode. If you did not get a

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<v Speaker 1>chance to listen, go back and take a listen to

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<v Speaker 1>the episode prior to this one about the National Association

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<v Speaker 1>of Black Journalists, which is an organization it is the

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<v Speaker 1>largest organization in support of black journalists in the US,

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<v Speaker 1>and a shot that they threw stephen A. Smith's way.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's take a listen to the NABJ giving stephen A.

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<v Speaker 1>Smith the thumbs Down Award.

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<v Speaker 3>A sick listen stephen A Smith, sports analysts and political commentator.

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<v Speaker 3>Smith has established a recurring public pattern of disparaging commentary

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<v Speaker 3>directed at prominent black women across politics, sports, and media.

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<v Speaker 3>Such commentary reinforces harmful narratives, undermines the fair and respectful

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<v Speaker 3>representation of Black women in public discourse, and stands in

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<v Speaker 3>direct conflict with nabj's long standing commitment to accurate, responsible,

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<v Speaker 3>and inclusive portrayals of black communities.

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<v Speaker 2>Now in this.

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<v Speaker 1>Award annually is a mock or a designer that is

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<v Speaker 1>given by the National Association of Black Journalists or NABJ,

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<v Speaker 1>to individuals or institutions whose reporting, commentary, or actions conflict

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<v Speaker 1>with the group's missions and values. Their mission their values

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<v Speaker 1>is all about uplifting black journalists, making it just easy

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<v Speaker 1>for black journalists to be in spaces doing their jobs,

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<v Speaker 1>telling their stories and being factual about it, and people

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<v Speaker 1>being factual about them as they do it. Now, this

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<v Speaker 1>award was first presented in nineteen eighty nine, has been

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<v Speaker 1>given out dozens and dozens of times, but this year

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<v Speaker 1>President of the NABJ, Aaron Haynes, decided to give it

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<v Speaker 1>to Steven A. Smith, who was a member of the

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<v Speaker 1>National Association of Black Journalists and has done a ton

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<v Speaker 1>of work with them, and he did not.

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<v Speaker 2>Take it lightly.

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<v Speaker 1>So he has finally responded, let's take a listen to

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<v Speaker 1>Stephen a smith on him just even finding out about

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<v Speaker 1>this and trying to figure out why he was awarded this.

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<v Speaker 4>What the hell does this thumbs down award have to

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<v Speaker 4>do with journalism disparaging black women? How I've heard people

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<v Speaker 4>bringing up Jasmine Crockett. Did I sit up there asking

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<v Speaker 4>why would you curse out the president of the United

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<v Speaker 4>States with the cameras rolling?

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<v Speaker 2>How is that going to help you?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>I did. Why did I do that?

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<v Speaker 4>Not only because she's in Texas and I know they

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<v Speaker 4>were a little bit different in Texas, a bit more conservative,

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<v Speaker 4>and I didn't think that would work with her constituency

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<v Speaker 4>down there.

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<v Speaker 3>How is that disparaging?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh?

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<v Speaker 4>Steven A goes after Michelle Obama. She's the one that

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<v Speaker 4>compared first Take to a reality show, And I use

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<v Speaker 4>that as an opportunity to say, this marvelous, wonderful woman,

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<v Speaker 4>who's the greatest first lady in American history, who I

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<v Speaker 4>have raised and praised and praised time and time and again.

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<v Speaker 4>All I did was say, I don't like the fact

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<v Speaker 4>that you said a vote for him, as in Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 4>would be a vote against us as women.

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<v Speaker 2>All I said was, there's.

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<v Speaker 4>A whole bunch of pro lifers out there. There's a

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<v Speaker 4>whole bunch of people that care about the economy, on

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<v Speaker 4>immigration or safety in the streets. They might not even

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<v Speaker 4>be thinking about this issue. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I told you guys in my last episode that I personally,

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<v Speaker 1>personally know of a lot of work that Steven A.

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<v Speaker 1>Smith does in the black journalist space, the HBCU space.

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<v Speaker 1>He mentions a bitterness on his show in his response

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<v Speaker 1>as well too.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's say listen in.

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<v Speaker 4>Nineteen ninety four, I began my career at the Philadelphia

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<v Speaker 4>Enquirer courtesy of Sondra Long, a longtime executive for the

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<v Speaker 4>Philadelphia Enquirer, synonymous with the NABJ, whom I first met

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<v Speaker 4>at the job speare of the NABJ. My career started

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<v Speaker 4>because I was at the nab JAY job there and

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<v Speaker 4>yet Saturday night, I saw the president of the organization,

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<v Speaker 4>Aaron Haynes, go up on stage and give me a

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<v Speaker 4>thumbs down award for disparaging.

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<v Speaker 1>Black But again, just because the person is doing and donating,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that is a reason for them to

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<v Speaker 1>go without criticism and critique. I don't always agree with

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<v Speaker 1>how Steve Nasmith does his job, but I do think

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<v Speaker 1>that the points that he puts on the board, not

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<v Speaker 1>just for his own career in himself, but what he

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<v Speaker 1>does for other people should mean something, you know, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>And I also think him apologizing when he gets it

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<v Speaker 1>wrong should mean something as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And he made a good point.

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<v Speaker 1>They talk about, you know, the remarks that he had,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, towards Serena Williams, which were out of pocket,

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<v Speaker 1>and he did apologize for Let's take listen to those remarks.

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<v Speaker 4>If I'm married and my wife is going to join

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<v Speaker 4>troll and her ex, go back to his ass because

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<v Speaker 4>you don't belong.

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<v Speaker 2>With me, what'd you worried about?

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<v Speaker 4>Infl stop it.

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<v Speaker 2>You if you win Serena.

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<v Speaker 1>If you win Serena Williams, you're gonna be a kept

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<v Speaker 1>a man anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't start any apology.

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<v Speaker 4>Not didn't utter a disrespectful word towards Serena Williams. So

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know where the whole Serena protection protocol kicks in.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't say anything about her. I said, hey, listen,

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<v Speaker 4>if I'm a man and I'm married, I certainly don't

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<v Speaker 4>want my wife showing any kind of energy, positive, negative

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<v Speaker 4>or otherwise to another dude. That happens to be her

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<v Speaker 4>ex That'll make me think, what's she thinking about him?

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<v Speaker 4>Why is she thinking about him so much? Why does

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<v Speaker 4>she feel the need to exert any energy emotional or

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<v Speaker 4>otherwise when it comes to that. That's where I was

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<v Speaker 4>coming from. But it was more of a gender issue

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<v Speaker 4>more so than anything else, in terms of men and

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<v Speaker 4>how a lot of men feel. I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 4>say most. I'm not going to say all because I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know. I'm gonna tell you how I feel. What

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<v Speaker 4>I expressed is exactly what I meant. I'm not apologizing

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<v Speaker 4>for it. I'm not condoning it either.

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<v Speaker 1>Did They also talk about Jasmine Crockett. We talked about

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<v Speaker 1>that on our last episode, and the fact that he

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<v Speaker 1>had talked about her in.

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<v Speaker 2>A way to me that was just very Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>It was respectability politics, like black people should talk like

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<v Speaker 1>this and sound like this and do these certain things

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<v Speaker 1>because if not, it'll never work for us in our

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<v Speaker 1>perspective areas, which I don't believe. But they also had

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<v Speaker 1>critiques of him, and you know different things that he

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<v Speaker 1>said about Kamala Harris. Now he reveals something that we

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know on this episode. He talks about how his

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<v Speaker 1>critiques of Kamala Harris and being able to do so

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<v Speaker 1>because she's a person in the political seat led to

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<v Speaker 1>a very real in person conversation A sick listen Kamala Harris.

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<v Speaker 4>But everybody wants to bring up the fact that I

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<v Speaker 4>sat up there and I pointed out how she didn't

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<v Speaker 4>even make it to Iowa in twenty twenty, which is fact,

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<v Speaker 4>and that Democratic primary was bypassed in order to facilitate

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<v Speaker 4>her being a Democratic nominee for the presidency of the

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<v Speaker 4>United States of America. And then you have it in

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<v Speaker 4>the palm of your hands and his support of millions

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<v Speaker 4>upon millions of people, and you go on to view

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<v Speaker 4>and Sonny Houston asked you a softball question with Sonny

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<v Speaker 4>Houston acknowledge for the view, and you passed by saying

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<v Speaker 4>I can't think of anything I would do differently when

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<v Speaker 4>it was clearly a border crisis. Last time I checked NABJ,

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<v Speaker 4>that ain't journalism, that ain't talking fast.

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<v Speaker 1>I did reach out to NABJA president Aaron Haynes, who

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<v Speaker 1>says that she will be coming on the show to

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<v Speaker 1>have the conversation about her decision.

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<v Speaker 2>Stephen A.

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<v Speaker 1>Smith did reveal that he's never met Aaron Haynes, they

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<v Speaker 1>don't personally have a relationship, even though he is very

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<v Speaker 1>close with a lot of the board members.

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<v Speaker 2>He also says that there were some board members.

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<v Speaker 1>And people who were actively there that were disgusted by

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that he was given this award, and he

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<v Speaker 1>talks to just a bit about why he is he

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<v Speaker 1>believes these attacks are coming his way.

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<v Speaker 2>He says, it's politic.

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<v Speaker 4>This ain't about disparaging women. This is about people who've

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<v Speaker 4>politicized everything, looking for an excuse to come at me

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<v Speaker 4>because you don't like what I have to say. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>gonna put it out there. This is about a bunch

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<v Speaker 4>of liberals, a bunch of Democrats coming for me, which

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<v Speaker 4>is why I should be flattered, because you hear the footsteps,

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<v Speaker 4>don't you. You know, at any given moment, I can

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<v Speaker 4>decide to come at it. I can decide to run

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<v Speaker 4>because with the stuff that I'm seeing, it wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 4>hard to win. I do have some conservative use, and

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<v Speaker 4>I understand as trifling as this president can be with

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<v Speaker 4>his behavior and some of the policies he's tried to implement,

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<v Speaker 4>I get the fear it's real. I understand it. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>a black man, but that does not give a journalist

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<v Speaker 4>organization the right to attack me that way.

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<v Speaker 1>And again, I mean, look again, I think that you

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<v Speaker 1>should be able to criticize people on the side of

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<v Speaker 1>your table and across the table. But I do think

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<v Speaker 1>that there is a regard that should be always thought

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<v Speaker 1>about when speaking of blacklack women, especially because you and

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<v Speaker 1>as a black woman, I just know how for us,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like we already out here fighting the world, and

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<v Speaker 1>black men I hear y'all when y'all say this, we

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<v Speaker 1>fight the world every day when we walk outside of

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<v Speaker 1>our house, when we come home, we want peace. Black

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<v Speaker 1>women feel the same way. And home just isn't literally

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<v Speaker 1>your actual home. It's when you come into your community,

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<v Speaker 1>when you are indulging with your people, and it's not

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<v Speaker 1>always just peace.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes it's just reverence. Like I just know that you want.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to know that even if we disagree,

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<v Speaker 1>you regard me in such a way that there's a

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<v Speaker 1>boundary to where we go in conversation and our disagreement.

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<v Speaker 2>And I look all skin folk.

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<v Speaker 1>And kim folk at the same time, so I understand

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<v Speaker 1>that sentiment as well. But I think with Stephen A. Smith,

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<v Speaker 1>it's we should correct, not cancel. Has always been my

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<v Speaker 1>sentiment when having a conversation about a Stephen A.

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<v Speaker 2>Smith, And you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, I don't feel like that about everybody, but in

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<v Speaker 1>his situation, again, I didn't like a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>comments he made, especially about Jasmincrack and I've said that

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<v Speaker 1>other places. But at the same time, I think we

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<v Speaker 1>can't get around what the path that he has forged. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I will say, I think you know him having these

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<v Speaker 1>conversations about wanting to run for president. I felt like

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<v Speaker 1>when he responded to Donald Trump, you know, calling his

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<v Speaker 1>IQ low, his response was very soft and he had

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<v Speaker 1>way more energy for a Jasmine Crockett or a Kamalo

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<v Speaker 1>or Michelle Obama. When Michelle Obama talked about his show

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<v Speaker 1>and called, you know the show he's on a reality TV.

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<v Speaker 2>Show, the energy was just different.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I also think has gotten him to this

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<v Speaker 1>point where Black people feel like there's a there's Stephen A. Smith,

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<v Speaker 1>the man, the myth, the legend who does all these

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<v Speaker 1>things for black people, black journalists, and then there's a

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<v Speaker 1>caricature of Stephen A. Smith that right now is positioning

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<v Speaker 1>himself for something and he's saying he's being attacked because

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<v Speaker 1>of politics, whereas other people look at it like because

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<v Speaker 1>of politics, that caricature is now coming out, and we

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<v Speaker 1>don't like it, and we want to correct it, and

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<v Speaker 1>we want to get as far away from it as

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<v Speaker 1>we can. This is a conversation that I think is

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<v Speaker 1>really interesting though, because again it's like, does the NABJ

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<v Speaker 1>as an organization is just a good look for them

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<v Speaker 1>to pick aside and not be neutral when coming at

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<v Speaker 1>a journalist like Stephen A.

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<v Speaker 2>Smith.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Aaron Haynes, the president of the NABJ, She sat

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<v Speaker 1>down with Roland Martin and she talked a bit about

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<v Speaker 1>the decision and some of the things leading up to this.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's take a.

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<v Speaker 5>Listener look at what we named this year. I think

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<v Speaker 5>we have to agree that there's a clear through line.

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<v Speaker 5>We're looking at the forces that make it harder for

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<v Speaker 5>black journalists to do their jobs and harder for black

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<v Speaker 5>communities to be covered fairly and fully. Like that includes

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<v Speaker 5>government officials that are exerting their pressure on the press,

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<v Speaker 5>news organizations that are making decisions that we can diversity

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<v Speaker 5>and coverage, media owners who are facing questions about the

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<v Speaker 5>treatment of black journalists who we know are under attack

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<v Speaker 5>by internal and external forces across this country, and also

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<v Speaker 5>influencer commentators whose rhetoric can be inform harmful narratives about

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<v Speaker 5>Black people, particularly black women.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you know me.

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<v Speaker 5>We've been on this board together for a year now,

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<v Speaker 5>and I've been very clear that advocacy is central to

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<v Speaker 5>my presidency, particularly advocacy around black women and our professions.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me know what you guys think, like, I really

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<v Speaker 1>want to know, get in the streets, get in the tweets.

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, do we even pick a side?

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't think that it is that we pick

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<v Speaker 1>a side. I think more so what conversations should be

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<v Speaker 1>coming out of this How do we police or how

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<v Speaker 1>do we set boundaries for the people that we know

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<v Speaker 1>are important to us?

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<v Speaker 2>And should we even have to do that. I'm Lorna Rosa.

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<v Speaker 1>This is another episode of the Latest with Marna La Rosa,

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<v Speaker 1>your DELI dig on all things pop culture, entertainment, news,

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<v Speaker 1>and all of the conversations that shake the room. I

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<v Speaker 1>tell you, guys, every episode, y'all could be anywhere within

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<v Speaker 1>your body, but y'all choose to be right here with me,

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<v Speaker 1>my little riders.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate y'all, and I'll cut you in my next one.