WEBVTT - Wendigo... 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:05.960 Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind from how Stuff 0:00:06.000 --> 0:00:13.640 Works dot com. Hey, welcome the Stuff to Blow your Mind. 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:15.720 My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Tuglas, and 0:00:15.720 --> 0:00:18.640 it's the Halloween season once more. So we are re 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:21.840 releasing one of our favorite creepy episodes from last year, 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:24.919 on the Wind to Go, or as I wanted to 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:28.640 call it, eight My birth Day. Yes, yes, that was 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:31.479 your original pitch for the title episode. We did not, 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:35.279 but yeah, it's creepy subject matter and it's I mean, 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:38.479 at heart, it's a monster, a monster's idea, and it's 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:40.720 a monster that seems to be picking up more and 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:46.639 more in popular culture. Windigo uh symbolism played heavily into 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:52.080 expect for the first season of TV's Hannibal, and in 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:55.480 Sleepy Hollow season two, we will be seeing a wind 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:59.160 to Goo and and teen Wolf. They're already already of course, 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:02.360 you're already a window got So this is the thing 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:05.200 about people finding about out about your cool monsters. They 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:07.399 end up showing up, I know. And then one hand 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:10.360 you're like, oh, yes, it's finding its rightful place and 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:13.600 pop culture, and then you're like, oh yeah, and maybe 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:20.680 this is what Algernon Blackwood really wanted, though. We'll see maybe. 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:24.880 January six eight. I went to see the sick man 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:27.120 today and he's a pitiful looking devil. They had him 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:29.760 with about six blankets and he still was nearly freezing. 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:32.680 I can do nothing for him. January twelve. I went 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:34.360 to see him today and he looks worse than ever. 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:36.400 I gave him a dose of Castor Royal, but he 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:38.920 he says his heart is freezing. He keeps insisting he'll 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:41.479 become a cannibal. He wants the Algonquins to kill him 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:45.200 before he gets worse. January. Friend Sis came here and 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:46.880 asked me if I would read some prayers for the 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:49.320 sick man. He doesn't look like a human being. He 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:51.960 seems to be terribly swollen in the body and face. 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:54.320 The sight of him is enough to frighten any person. 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:56.840 The poor Algonquin slept very little here for the last 0:01:56.880 --> 0:01:59.680 nineteen days since he arrived. They have been watching him 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:03.440 all time. I don't know how this will end. January one, 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:06.120 Friendsois came from me last night and I went with him. 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:07.800 I told him we ought to take some rope with 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:09.960 us and tie him up if we could. The sound 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:11.920 of him was terrible. It was like the calling of 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:14.440 a wild animal. We tied him with the ropes and 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:16.839 I left to find some more, but it couldn't find any. 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:18.639 And when I got back, the cords around his arms 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:21.519 were already breaking. The algonquins asked what we should do. 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:23.320 They said that when he got up, he would kill 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:25.280 all of us. I told them to do what they 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:27.040 had to do is I had no more ropes which 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:32.639 to bind it. That was the account of Francis work 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:36.359 Beaten Uh the Ordney HBC clerk at the Trout Lake 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:40.120 Outpost the winter of eighteen ninety six during the alleged 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:46.000 Windigo possession of napapen Auger. Edited slightly for for clarity's sake, 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:50.360 but otherwise exactly what's in the history books. And we 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:53.280 wanted to bring that bit to your attention because what 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:56.640 we're talking about is a creature or a possession that 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:59.560 has to deal with cannibalism. Yeah, and even though the 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:03.560 creature itself is obviously a creature of myth. We've talked 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:06.960 before about the power of myth, the power of paranormal 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:09.760 scripts within a culture, as well as the real life 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:14.760 incidences that have allegedly occurred because of or alongside the 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:18.120 Wind to Go belief. Because if the oral account of 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:20.440 this particular Wind to Go possession story, as collected by 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:24.000 the University of Alberta's Nathan D. Carlson, holds true, then 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:28.480 the Algonquin tribes people gave Napapen boiling bear grease an 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:31.680 attempt to cure him after this, uh this account that 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:34.280 I read, and then when that didn't work, they executed 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:36.400 him with an axe, cutting off his head and bearing 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:40.280 it separate from his body. Now, there are various problems, 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:44.920 of course, with any account of cannibalism, just just cannibalism alone, 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:49.000 much less when you start involving supernatural uh in material 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:51.240 as well. Yeah, and that's the thing about Window that 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:55.440 is so interesting is it really highlights this issue of cannibalism. 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:57.680 And we've talked about this before. It's very hard to 0:03:57.760 --> 0:04:02.800 really pin down cannibalism what has actually happened, um with 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:06.240 humans for sure, Actually in nature it's very easy to explain, 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:09.000 right because they are not ashamed of it. They're not ashamed, 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:12.000 and they have a purpose, a real clear purpose to 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:16.680 their cannibalism. And you have, um, the sexual cannibalism in 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:20.720 orb spiders, right, that helps in terms of sexual reproduction, fitness. 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:23.960 And then in tiger sharks you have siblified, right, you 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:27.040 have a tiger that eats excuse me, a tiger shark 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:31.320 that eats a sibling because it's an easy source of energy. Yeah, 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:34.680 it's it's just pure economics. It's a harsh world. Sometimes 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:39.799 you have to reabsorb energy back into the the winning prospects, 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:41.520 and that's just how it goes. But of course in 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:45.479 human culture, the economics may still hold true, but we 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:49.599 have all of these layers of moral concerns of society 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:52.840 and culture. They just complicate the equation. Well, I mean 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:55.560 when you say the economics, you're talking about survival cannibalism. 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:57.440 In other words, you're just at the end of your 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:01.200 rope and you may be with one who could provide 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:03.760 you with a bit of energy, or perhaps there is 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:07.800 even a body who that has recently passed that someone uses. 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:11.599 And we have many accounts of this survival cannibalism in history. 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:15.040 Their counts that are proven, and then there are accounts 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:17.560 that are sort of forever being argued about, such as 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:21.360 the Dolmar Party, where some saying well, maybe they didn't 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:24.360 resort to survival cannibalism. Whethers say yes, some say well 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:27.200 the bones, there's no bone evidence that they did, and 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:29.200 others say, well, well they wouldn't know on the bones, 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:31.040 they would have eaten the soft flesh, and of course 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:33.960 that wouldn't the evidence of that wouldn't survive. And then 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:36.039 you know how many people are going to come back 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:38.600 from a chaotic trip to the mountains and be like, woa, 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:42.400 I only survived because I ate my friend Caleb. Right, 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:44.800 It's just probably something that you're going to admit at 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:49.200 cocktail parties. Right, Um, so, yeah, you've got the survival cannibalism. 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:51.360 And then, just to complicate things a little bit further, 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:55.440 we have these accounts of cultural rituals which may or 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:59.480 may not be symbolic cannibalism, right, They may actually have 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:02.040 occurred or occurred in different ways that we don't think 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:04.960 is cannibalistic. Yeah. Well, I mean you always have the 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:10.080 the outsider viewing some sort of cannab supposedly cannibalistic ceremony 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:13.440 or hearing about it. You're having Westerners observed or hear 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:15.599 about a ritual that that from the people that they 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:19.200 view as primitive, and so you know, it's hard to 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:21.600 tack down the actual truth of the matter. Yeah. Actually, 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:24.200 if you want to look at a good example of 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:27.200 this and someone who actually further this idea of cannibalism, 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:30.520 you can look to Columbus, who encountered the Arawak people 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:33.719 in Hispaniola during the fifteenth century, and they warned him 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:36.520 of another tribe, the carab that eight people, which it 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:40.600 appears this other tribe never existed. So this has been 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:42.880 really hard for anthropologists to go through and to try 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:44.760 to figure out. But as far as I can tell, 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:48.160 this other tribe just wasn't a reality. So it may 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:51.560 have just been for them this story about another tribe 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:54.320 just kind of a boogeyman, a boogeyman right telling the 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:56.640 night there's another tribe out there and they're so bad 0:06:56.680 --> 0:06:58.120 they eat people. You don't want to be like that, 0:06:58.160 --> 0:06:59.880 and you don't want them to come for you, right, 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:02.120 Or maybe they just wanted, you know, Columbus to hang 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:04.800 around and they were like, we need to get him 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:08.560 to stay here with us and not go exploring. So 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:12.600 in addition, Columbus may have mistaken the ritual of keeping 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:16.200 a loved one's bones around the house. So that's what 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:19.000 the Arrow Act people did, and he may have mistaken 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:22.360 that for evidence of cannibalism, and of course the whole 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:26.080 thing is ridiculous too when you realize that Columbus comes 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:30.360 bearing his his Catholic faith, and of course Catholicism, like 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:33.840 a lot of Christianity, is rich in this symbol symbolic 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:38.520 consumption of Christ's blood and flesh, which even though you're 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:42.480 not actually consuming blood and flesh, uh, it is, it 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:46.480 is symbolic cannibalism at at heart, right, which we see 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:48.920 in so many other cultures. The problem, of course, is 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:53.200 that Columbus was the authority on all matters foreign at 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:54.800 that point, so people are like, so where'd you go, 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:57.360 what'd you see? What you experience? And then whatever he 0:07:57.440 --> 0:07:59.680 said became sort of the gospel. Yeah, and that's one 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:01.880 of the ms you have throughout history too. I mean, 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:03.840 going back to plenty of the Elder and all these 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:07.360 guys where you just have certain voices and there aren't 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:09.320 a lot of there's not a lot of discussion about 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:11.680 the matter, but you know, this guy said that there 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:14.200 are cannibals living in Africa, and that remains sort of 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:16.960 the voice of truth for a matter of centuries. So 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:19.560 that's why The Wind to Go is such an interesting 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:21.560 thing to look at, because it really gets at the 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:25.360 heart of the taboo of cannibalism, but also the psychology 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:27.920 of the ways in which we behave when we have 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:31.720 these folk tales as stand ins for for what becomes 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:35.839 a reality. Yeah. So I want you to imagine a dark, 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:39.960 gaunt giant that haunts the woods, clad only in matted hair, 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:43.079 and it's peering outitude from the wild depths, with blood 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:45.880 red eyes as wild as sinister and sinister as those 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:49.080 of an owl, with claws that are curl and muscles 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:51.200 that are coiled with the strength of a bear, and 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:54.079 its teeth are eager, and its foul tongue is longing 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:59.400 for the taste of human flesh that sounds cuddly. Yeah. Yeah, Now, 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:01.839 this is some thing that is The creature is known 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:05.600 to different North American tribal groups um. And when we're 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:08.960 talking about the geography here, we're talking about French Canadian 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:13.720 territory um and the Algonquins are they figure in this 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:15.400 quite a bit as well as a couple of the 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:18.200 other tribes. Yeah, the Algonquins as one of the most 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:23.520 populous and widespread North American native language groups, and uh 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:25.959 at different times it composed like a whole bunch of 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:28.000 different tribes. You know, there did a lot of different 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:30.520 tribes that would spoke the Algonquin tongue, and there were 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:34.120 a lot of shared beliefs among them, and they they 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:37.520 thrived in the harsh world of northern North America, a 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:42.720 land of vast, unforgiving wilderness, brutal winners, particularly during the 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:46.040 Little Ice Age era in the seventeenth to nineteenth centuries, 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:50.439 which correlates exactly with a lot of this exploration by 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:53.560 French Canadians who met up with these different tribes. And 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:56.400 we'll talk about this more, but they began to um 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:59.920 actually adopt some of these folk tales of the win 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:02.760 to go. And I also wanted to mention that it 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:08.719 goes by wakaw Witigo with tikio and weendigo long ago 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:14.199 Windigo Witigo and we ti go Tigo. It sounds like 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:18.400 a corporation secretly is based on cannibalism. It's right, we tigo, 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:21.560 you can we tigo to um. And the cool thing 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:25.719 about this is that the Windigo really sort of describes 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:29.160 two different things at play here. One is the beast 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:32.360 that you described who lives in that forest waiting to 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:36.240 feast on a human. The other is a cannibalistic spirit 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:39.320 that can possess a human. Yeah, and that spirit kind 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:42.440 of walks the barrier between the world and the world 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:45.360 of the spirits. And of course that's a very important 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:48.360 area in the tales and the belief systems in the 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:51.960 world view of the the first people of North America. Yeah, 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:54.640 and if you look at the Algonquins, they they really 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:59.840 focus on these spirits as as a sort of cautionary 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:03.839 all to people during these very harsh winters not to 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:06.240 turn to cannibalism, because they're saying that if you eat 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:09.000 the flesh of another, well, your soul is now susceptible 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:11.360 to the wind to go. Yeah. There there were a 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:13.240 number of causes, a number of things that could turn 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:14.920 you into a window go. Most of them are are 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:18.679 based in diet and food and and hunger. Um. So 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:21.959 you might be cursed by a sorcerer, always a possibility. 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:24.599 You know, it'll happen if you are yourself. If you 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:28.319 yourself are a sorcerer, you might seek the transformation in yourself, 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:31.400 always an option, all right. You might trigger the change. 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:34.240 If you fast too long or feast too heavily, so 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:36.600 a little too much food, a little too little food, 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:39.959 you're gonna potentially open yourself up to the window Goes caress. 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:42.920 But most importantly are all of all, as you mentioned, 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:45.360 if you if you are forced to consume human flesh, 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:48.760 or if you're tricked into doing so, even in a dream, 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:51.160 then the window go can reach out to you, touch 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:54.800 your soul and bring on this steady and horrible change, 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:58.560 And then you might feel ice in your heart longing 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:01.319 for flesh. Yeah, because that's uh, that's that's the big 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:03.560 thing right there. Um. There are a number of symptoms. 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:07.840 According to the Algonquin Reports catalog by Nathan D. Carlson, 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:13.599 the symptoms include stupor, catatonia, depression, paranoia, and orexia or 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:17.480 the inability to hold down food, nausea, vomiting, emaciation, glazed eyes, 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:21.959 bodily or facial swelling, violent shouting, hallucinations of family members 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:26.880 as food animals, particularly as beavers, and finally, this unstoppable 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:29.280 urge to consume human flesh. Yeah. There was one account 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:31.400 that was reading in a separate book where like a 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:34.959 mother was was potentially turning into a window. Go and 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:36.880 she was telling her she's matter or children. She's saying, 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:40.480 you all look like beavers to me. Now wow, But 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:42.880 but it's that. But the big thing that like the 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:48.120 major symptoms and the ultimate symptoms are the unstoppable urge 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:52.040 to consume human flesh and this chill in your in 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:55.040 your torso, meaning in your heart, as your heart becomes 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:58.560 this lump of ice, that's right, as the transformation occurs. 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:00.719 Let's take a quick break and when we get back, 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:11.240 we'll talk about psychosis. All right, we're back. We're just 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:15.280 talking about the symptoms in the folk tales of the 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:17.520 of the Wind to Go and uh, and how your 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:20.079 heart may seem to become this lump of of of 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:24.200 ice and you have this irresistible urge to consume human flesh. Now, 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:27.480 there were a few cures curative measures, that were also 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:29.520 related in the folk tales. But I think it is 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:31.640 interesting for you talking about the curative measures, is that 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:35.679 people took this folklore and then they began to exhibit 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:38.880 these symptoms. And this is what that psychosis is, These 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:43.040 cases of people actually coming down with not actually turning 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:48.079 into these sort of werewolf like creatures, but actually connating 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:53.200 some dastardly acts. Yeah, because, on one hand, as as 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:57.560 Nathan D. Carlson points out in his excellent article reviewing 0:13:57.760 --> 0:14:01.800 Wittico and Ethno History of donable Monsters in the Athabaska 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:06.520 District of Northern Alberta nineteen kien Um, this was not 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:08.680 just a you know, folk tale. If it was told, 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:11.040 this was something in which there was a lot of belief. 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:13.920 There was a lot of fear, he says, quote in 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:17.439 the collective belief systems of pre twenty one century Algonquins. 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:20.560 Contrary to the opinions of some modern academics, as discussed below, 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:23.840 the Wittigo condition was not a legendary fabrication. For example, 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:27.360 in early eighteen ninety six, Richard Young, the Anglican Bishop 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:30.560 of the Athabaska District, wrote the following in a letter 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:34.280 journal to the Evangelical Fathers in the Church Missionary Society. Quote, 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:36.920 the Indians have a great terror of the so called 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:40.400 windigoose or cannibals. They believe that after eating human flesh, 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:42.320 their heart becomes a lump of ice, and no one 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:45.320 alive is safer them. Assert as all of this sounds 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:48.040 to us, it is a real terror to the untutored Indian. 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:51.040 So there's a little obviously there's a bit of xenophobia 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:54.880 and uh and and racism and in that uh, that 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:58.720 particular portrayal, but but still it underlines that this was 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:02.640 this was serious. That and if you're in a situation 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:06.480 where you have been forced to resort to survival cannibalism, 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:08.680 and then it's known or even if it's known only 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:12.840 to you, you you return with shame. Perhaps they other 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:16.160 members of your your group know that this occurred, and 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:20.200 before you know what, you're ostracized and maybe you feel 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:22.080 and there are a number of these symptoms, like if 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:24.600 there's a whole list of possible symptoms, and if you 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:26.840 begin if you experience one of them or feel like 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:30.000 you experience one of them, uh, combined with the guilt 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:32.800 that you feel, then how long before you begin manifesting 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:37.560 this this paranoid idea you were transforming. Yeah, let's set 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:39.680 this seam for this too. Or we're talking about these 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:42.440 sort of starvation winters that would occur in in this 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:45.000 part of the world, um, particularly as you said, during 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:47.160 that period from the seventy century to the nineteenth century, 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:51.080 and you know, you have people who would sort of 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:53.400 collectively get together as families during that time and band 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:56.840 together and try to survive. But there is still a 0:15:57.040 --> 0:15:59.560 huge amount of isolation. So you might be with five 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:03.600 six oven of your family members, um, you know, out 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:07.440 in the middle of nowhere, with this wind whistling or 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:11.080 this wind howling. And when you look at these algonquin 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:15.720 Um depictions, the wind is a huge force here. So 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:17.880 I don't have you ever been like on the mountain before, 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:22.000 and and um, there's just huge amounts of wind coming 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:24.200 in at your structure. If you're in a tent or 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:26.760 in a cabin, yeah, yeah, it's just if you're you're 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:28.760 out in the open, it's just whipping by. It's all 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:30.000 you can hear in your ears. And if you're in 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:32.600 a structure or even you know, in the shelter of 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:35.280 a tree or or or some stone, and it's just 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:37.960 whistling by, and it's and it varies, it's it's this 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:41.560 changing tone almost the song. Yeah, and yeah. I remember 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:44.000 when I was in Costa Rica, Monteverde and I was 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:47.040 I spent a couple of nights in a cabin on 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:49.800 the top of the mountain there and the first night 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:52.160 I was like, oh, this is beautiful, It's gorgeous. The 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:54.560 second night I was like, it's this is awful. I 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:56.760 cannot get any sleep. The wind is howling. The third 0:16:56.880 --> 0:16:58.560 night I started to feel like I was going crazy. 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:02.440 So imagine bumps of this going on. I want to say, 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:05.080 if you resort to cannibalism in Monteverdi, that's on. You. 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:06.920 Don't try and pin that on a wind to go. Well, 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:09.680 that's the thing, right, So I go out with a friend. 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:13.080 We're gonna go try to trap something. You know, maybe 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:16.440 he breaks his leg. You know, things aren't looking good. 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:18.440 Form so awesome, and I have a little bit of 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:20.800 his meat and then as we as you said, come 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:24.080 back to camp or to your cabin and you're feeling 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:26.560 the shame for it. Um Now, I didn't want to 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:30.440 point out that Kevin Vulcan a professor of psychology. He's 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:33.240 often called on as a behavioral expert on TV shows 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:36.320 and they're like, he categorizes it as an extreme form 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:39.760 of cabin fever. So again, you've got harsh environmental factors there. 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:42.879 You're with a couple of people and things can go awry. 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:44.800 You're with a bunch of people that you love but 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:47.480 are also maybe driving you a little crazy. Yeah, and uh, 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:49.639 and because that's one of the common tropes of the 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:52.560 wind to go story is you have like a mom 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:56.000 or a dad or even both that go nuts and 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:58.880 start eating the kids. And then you know, you eat 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:00.439 one kid, and you eat the steck again, and then 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:02.520 and then it just gets out of hand. Yeah, Vulgan says, 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:05.160 it becomes a compulsion. So there you are in your cabin, 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:07.400 the wind howling for months on end, and you began 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:09.479 to really think that you are the wind and go right, 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:11.879 it's it's taken hold of you. You're feeling icing in 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:14.800 your heart and uh, your your child is starting to 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:18.800 look like a drumstick, yeah or beaver. Yeah. All right, 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:22.720 we're gonna continue talking talking about that particular strain, but 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:27.680 just to go back presented cures that that we're explored 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:32.000 for for the wind to go situation. Carlson relates several 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:35.359 from different sources, but they include drinking high wines by 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:38.680 the fire, which sounds rather pleasant. I would say that 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:42.359 should be your first stop on any attempt to treat 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:46.520 a suspected wind to go situation. Next, the hit the 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:50.639 consumption of heated or even boiling animal flats, fats. So 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:53.879 you have some some moose meat, bear meat, what have you. 0:18:54.320 --> 0:18:56.360 You heat to heat the fat up, get it nice 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:58.680 and boiling, and then you drink it. Now, both of 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:01.800 these methods uh drinking by the fire and drinking hot 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:04.719 animal fat. The idea is that it would help UH 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:07.880 burn away the ice that is formed in the heart. 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:10.080 That's the key to the window go There was another 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:12.960 tail that I believe Carlson related in which there was 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:15.840 a group of window goes and they were they were 0:19:15.920 --> 0:19:18.640 just a complete terror and you know, eat everyone in sight. 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:21.760 And they were particularly hard to deal with because on 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:24.280 one hand, window goes were said to be bulletproof, you know, 0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:27.240 or bullets didn't affect them, and the only way to 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:29.560 to really kill them was to deal with that icy heart. 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:32.000 But these window goes had taken their icy hearts out 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:35.200 and store them elsewhere, so they were they weren't not 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:39.040 susceptible to that. Yeah. So um so those are some options. Also, 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:41.719 you could of course get a spirit medium to use 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:44.359 a shaking tent ritual, which is a special tint in 0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:47.120 which spirits could be summoned. But if these didn't work, 0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:49.240 the only thing to do was to tie the window 0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:51.240 go down and hack it to pieces with an axe 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:53.960 bearing the pieces so as to keep it from becoming 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:57.560 whole again and killing everyone inside. Now, someone by the 0:19:57.680 --> 0:20:00.960 name of Jack Fiddler and okay cream Member actually took 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:03.360 that to heart and kind of became the van helsing 0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:07.200 for his community of window Goes. He claimed to have 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:11.480 slayed fourteen people who were possessed, and he was in 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:14.000 prison when he murdered a woman who he says was 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:18.240 on the verge of turning into a windingo. So just 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:20.120 so you know, there were people out there that we're 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:23.800 trying to actually, you know, stop it before it started 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:25.680 what they really thought was going to be a possession. 0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:30.119 And of course we have so many different examples of 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:33.280 people who actually did this to their families, who actually 0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:35.359 ate their family. So you can see why someone like 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:39.280 Jack Fiddler might really take this to heart as his cause, 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:43.520 his his reason for being. Yeah, and now, of course 0:20:43.560 --> 0:20:45.879 one of the of course, the problems we mentioned with 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:48.840 the cannibalism and cannibism stories, so the window Goes stories 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:52.639 were we're told in around the campfire and by a 0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:56.560 bi bi algonquin drives people who really love stories and 0:20:56.720 --> 0:20:59.000 told stories and the nature of stories they are told 0:20:59.400 --> 0:21:02.440 as is that you you take on stories as your 0:21:02.480 --> 0:21:05.240 own that are other people's. You you prop up a 0:21:05.359 --> 0:21:07.720 story by saying you were there when you weren't. All 0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:09.720 of these things happened. The fish gets a little larger 0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:12.240 with each telling, etcetera. And then you have the French 0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:16.800