WEBVTT - Ep52: The Art of Cross-Dressing feat Sissy 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:05.360 We come into ay, we come into the at Hey, guys, 0:00:05.400 --> 0:00:07.320 just wanted to let you know that it is official. 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:11.520 We are bringing our one year anniversary live show to Atlanta, Georgia. 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:15.520 We will be there May nine, at the Plaza Theater 0:00:15.680 --> 0:00:19.640 at ten forty nine Constantly on Avenue, Northeast. Tickets are 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:22.960 now available. You can get them in the links in 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:26.560 our bios, or you can go ahead and click the 0:00:26.600 --> 0:00:29.440 link in the description of this episode. When you're done listening. 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:31.400 We want to thank you guys so very much and 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:34.720 we are so excited to meet you all again. Come 0:00:34.760 --> 0:00:37.880 and join us at the Horrible Decisions one year Anniversary 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:42.120 live show that is in Atlanta, Georgia, Saturday, May nineteenth 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:46.040 at seven o'clock PM. Y'all better not be late, and 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:48.360 that is at the Plaza Theater at ten forty nine 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:51.640 Postill on Avenue. Again. Can't wait to see all of 0:00:51.680 --> 0:01:00.400 you guys there now enjoy the show. So yeah, Hi, Hi, UM, 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:03.040 I guess, yeah, I guess my nervous I don't know. 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:06.280 Can I just don't understand how I met someone online 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:08.200 and then now you're in front of me. It's weird. 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:12.959 This is gonna be exciting. Um, Hi, guys, welcome to 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:18.720 yet another episode of Horrible Decisions. Um, this is your girl, 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:21.680 Mandy be and I'm sitting next to me and Weezy 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:26.039 and I'm we're sitting next to Sissy, well, Robbie, Sissy. 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:27.920 I don't know what to call you. I don't know 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:30.720 the proper pronoun right now? Actually, yeah, can we go 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:32.720 through this because I don't want to say I mean, 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:36.440 do we? Is it? He? Because it's it's a little 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:39.840 place into that. So let me tell you, guys, um, 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:41.600 who's in the studio with us today? So I was 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:43.959 on bumble and do you see these pages all the 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:46.920 time where it's someone that has a fetish or it's 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:50.040 a fetish page and it's not maybe your quote unquote 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:53.880 everyday life. And I found Sissy there and I was like, 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:56.720 oh my god, this girl looks really good. And then 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.840 I click on it and it's actually can I read it? 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:04.160 All right? Let me let me click on my I'm 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:06.240 really not I'm freaking nervous. I don't know why. I 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:10.240 feel like I'm onna. You're like back to really swiping now, 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:12.799 like you haven't got all the apps back on your 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:15.120 phone and you are on the prow ma'am, I'm just 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:19.040 having fun. Okay. Hey, I'm a part time cross dresser 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:20.960 and I love to dress up and become a sissy maid. 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:22.960 Most of the time, I'm a regular guy, but in 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:25.200 my spare time, I like dressing up in pretty outfits, makeup, 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:27.000 and heels. I recently moved to New York and looking 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:29.440 to make friends with fun and interesting, interesting and open 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:33.200 minded people. So I was like, oh my god, I 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:36.280 have to have her, mainly because most cross dressers I 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:39.200 see on Tender look awful and it's just like, you 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:42.040 put no effort into this, fine, like whatever. So I 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:45.040 swiped um sissy right and I matched, and I asked 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:46.560 her if she would go on and she's like, oh 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:48.800 my god, I've never been on a podcast. I Can 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:52.000 I ask you a question because clearly you guys matched, 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:55.240 so you found an attraction. How did you feel when 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:58.480 she hits you? And was like, actually, that's a good question. 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:01.320 Can you just come on my podcast? As I mean, 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:04.160 I'm not trying to you know, like, what was your 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:07.119 reaction to that? I didn't know what to say. I've 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:10.120 never I've never really I don't really listen to podcasts. 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:12.880 I've certainly never been on one, so I just thought, 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:16.480 fuck it, why not. I'm new to the city. I 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:19.040 you know, I like doing cool things, things that take 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:21.400 me out my comfort zone. Yeah, like it's so New York. Ye. 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:26.680 She was super excited too. I just matched end of October. 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:29.079 Oh my god. Okay, I'm so do you work in Fine? 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:31.680 You look like a finance guy sort of. You don't 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:33.880 have to tell, but let's just say bye. I was 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:39.240 close for you. Yeah, okay, got so. Um, yeah, I 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:41.840 wanted to know. Do you have a regular page or 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:47.520 now I do? Yeah, I do have a regular one. Um. Actually, 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:50.240 this time it's a little bit interesting for me. So 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:52.400 you did see you did meet me on a profile 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:56.800 that was just uh, sort of cross dressing pitches. But 0:03:56.880 --> 0:03:59.880 this is the first time I've combined sort of a profile, 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:05.960 so I know how pictures of me regular and really 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:09.040 on your regular profiles. Yeah, now, just for the first 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:12.800 time coming here, have you seen a different response. Yeah, 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:19.680 it's been it's been better, I think really. So what 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:22.039 we like to do and we have guests is a 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:25.520 thing called icebreakers. I'm sure he knows what that fucking means. 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:28.560 What do you mean we do a thing called icebreakers? 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:32.680 I mean what. I don't know if maybe they had English, right, 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:35.560 where are you from England? England? Well, maybe they call it. 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:37.640 Do you guys call us something else? Over there? We 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:39.840 call it icebreaker ship. I didn't know it was the 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:47.080 universal fucking thing. Okay, okay, so English Tony Americans don't 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:49.160 do this ship. They're like, wow, do you guys? You 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:52.080 guys have pizza there? Okay, you don't speak English, is 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:58.839 the first the first thing. No, you guys are cool. Okay. 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:01.360 So here's the question they have for you. Would you 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:04.680 rather go a year without intercourse or a year without 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:10.960 oral sex. I'd rather go a year without I'd rather 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:13.560 go a year without oral sex as well. Yea, it 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:18.000 gives me to give me penetration please. Actually, the guys 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:19.640 that i've dated that I asked that question too. I 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:21.560 think I've sent it seen on Instagram. They were like, 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:25.599 well with you, like, now, let's just I'm like, yeah, yeah, 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:28.840 I think my guys would have probably the same response. 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:31.120 But it's crazy because I don't feel like a lot 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:35.200 of guys can really perform orally as well as women 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:38.240 can perform orally. I think it's just harder for women 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:43.440 to orgasm. Yeah, all right, let's see. So the next 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:46.800 one is would you rather receive or give a golden shower? 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:52.920 I have never done EVA, I guess I'd rather give. 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:56.200 I suppose. Yeah, I did not think you're going to 0:05:56.279 --> 0:05:59.320 say that, only because in my eyes, cross testing is 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:01.960 this thing of like to be submissive a little bit. Yeah, 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:07.159 but I don't want to get paid some much. Okay? 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:13.200 Would you rather be dominated or be the domb? Of course, 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:17.760 outside of I'm sorry, outside of your cross dressing life? Oh? Both? Really? 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:21.640 You do both? Okay? Okay? Um, So the kink of 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:24.640 the week we initially had was was ball busting, but 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:26.679 Mandy and I realized we did it at the live show. 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:28.680 So I'm sitting with Robbie while you're on your way 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:29.960 and I'm like, dude, what can I do? Like, give 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:32.400 me some ship I've never heard of? So he said 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:36.000 he had a friend that does webcam ship and something 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:40.039 she does is um ignoring. So I'm like, how what 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:43.320 is this called? Looked it up. It's an abandonment fetish, 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:47.919 neglect fantasy and apparently people um have phone lines to 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:52.119 be ignored on, so it's from a domb point of view, Um, 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:55.640 it's a submission fetish and yeah, can you tell U a 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:57.920 a little bit about your friend. Yes, So she's a 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:03.240 friend from from from London from moment. She got into 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:04.719 it a while ago. She was looking to make some 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:07.320 extra cash and she's kind of in the in the 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:11.880 kind of scene socially, and someone suggested it to her 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:14.240 and now she she has She does webcam sessions and 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:18.160 phone sessions where she literally just ignores whoever on the 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:20.200 other end of the phone. So is this like a 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:22.600 finn dam thing, because I've heard of finnam Is doing this. 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:26.000 It's kind of It's not. Well, fin Dom is literally 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:28.440 talking about the money though, right, not all of it. 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:31.000 There's a lot of different things that are involved in 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:33.600 finding and a lot of them want to feel like 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:38.400 ship and so when you're ignoring someone, you're belittling them. Yeah, 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:40.560 I guess. So all I know is I've been to 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:43.440 our house and we're just sitting on the sofa watching 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:47.240 TV chatting. She's smoking, she's dressed in like, you know, 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:50.480 in an outfit um, and there's someone on the on 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:53.440 the webcam who she's just ignoring. She doesn't look at them. 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:56.000 And she's getting paid by the by the minute, like 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:58.960 five dollars a minute or something? What am I doing 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:03.520 wrong with my life? I don't know why? Let me 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:05.520 tell you that. People like will say like we had 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:08.239 a dom on here, and she was like people always 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:10.120 are saying how like, oh, I'm a bit so I 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:12.080 could do this. I don't know how long I could 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:13.800 ignore them one like, I'm sure i'd be like, oh, 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:17.040 feel bad. I mean, but she literally was just going 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:19.600 on with what she was doing, right, But you were 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:22.360 there while it happened. What the other person do? Are 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:24.360 they jerking off? Or they like, please talk to me? 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:26.160 I don't know. I didn't. I didn't see them. They're 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:29.160 kind of yeah, they're sort of looking, they're typing, like 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:31.680 typing on the chat. They're sort of talking. She can 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:33.920 mute them, so she just often mutes it so she 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:36.440 doesn't even hear them. So they're trying to talk or 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:39.400 trying to chat, and she's just sitting there smoking or 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:42.560 like in her outfitting chatting or watching TV. And so 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:45.360 they're talking to themselves, yeah, basically, and they're trying to 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:48.480 get her attention or whatever, and she just ignores them. 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:50.800 And there at any point where they can like earn it, 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:53.200 like a punishment type of thing, like okay, fine, even 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:56.800 a good boy like I'll, I guess there is you 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:59.679 can do what you want, I suppose, but she do 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:05.960 that like America's next models on. Oh great, all right, 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:10.439 so our horrible decision for the week is obviously cross dressing. UM. 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:13.760 So we have people that sent in questions for you. UM. 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:15.320 A lot of my friends that are like in the 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:18.200 LGBT community were like, you need to make sure that 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:19.960 you use all the right words and you need to 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:22.480 say this and say that. I'm like, okay, so I 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:25.679 feel like I've got some good questions that people would have. Um, 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:27.439 the first day, I want to start with this, can 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:29.440 I can I say something before we get into this? 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:32.440 Do you define yourself as a part of the LGBTQ 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:37.920 community because you are you deal with women though? Right, well, 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:42.000 Q is apparently where the cross dressing fetish lies, like 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:45.000 it lies in the queer part. It doesn't have anything 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:47.040 to do with I don't feel like, well, we're gonna 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:50.240 get into that. That's part of my question. So something 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:52.319 I've been like trying to, like I said, research for 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:54.120 the proper pronouns and things like that is when I 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:56.839 type in cross dressing, a lot of hyper sexuality comes up, 0:09:57.280 --> 0:10:01.000 but the LGBT community claims cross dress saying as a 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:04.040 part of a queer thing because people like kind of 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:07.120 teeter on the fence. So here's my question for you, 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:11.320 your sexuality and the experiences that you've seen with other 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:14.560 cross stressers. This is different from drag, but like, what 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:19.720 exactly is it? Uh? For me? Firstly, I don't really 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:23.319 mind what people call it, all the pronouns that kind 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:27.040 of stuff. I'm not very politically, I don't. I wouldn't 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:30.520 define it as that. Yeah, first of all, that doesn't 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:34.439 worry me. Um, I'd say it's different for different people. Um, 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:39.800 there are definitely a lot of heterosexual cross dresses, um, 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:41.959 people that do it for all kinds of reasons. I 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:45.880 do know straight drag queens when you get into the 0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:50.560 kind of drag. From my experience, more are like the 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:53.360 majority are gay, and they certainly know of a couple 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:57.640 of straight drag queens. But with cross dressing in general 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:00.640 sort of outside the drag, I'd say quite a large 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:06.120 percentage of straight right now, How is so cross dressing? 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:10.760 What is the difference from cross dressing and drag? To 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:13.760 be honest, it looked very similar when I saw your pictures. 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:16.600 You you not only get into wearing a dress and 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:18.720 wearing a heels, you did a full face of makeup, 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:22.240 you had a wig. Um, what is that not? Is dragged? 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:25.000 Just more so the performance attached to it, more so 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:27.520 than you actually just dressing up. I think. So when 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:29.880 I when I think of drag queens, I think of 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:33.800 stages and performances and you know, either singing or dancing 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:36.800 or miming, you know, but putting on a show more 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:40.200 a show. So with cross dressers, you were one of 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:42.400 the first ones that I saw that looked that good. 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:46.040 And maybe because your makeup was I don't know what 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:48.560 it was, but like normally, like I feel like I 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:50.840 could still see someone's beard or mustache and they just 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:54.679 have a more masculine look, like you looked totally fem 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:57.679 And so I'm just curious to know how do you 0:11:57.760 --> 0:11:59.360 prepare and what do you have to do to start 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:00.960 learning to do the things? Do you even do your 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:04.880 on makeup? I do my makeup sometimes, but a lot 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:07.080 of the time my friends do do it. I've got 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:10.559 um friends that are in the kind of makeup industry 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:13.679 or that do this kind of stuff. Um, and also 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:18.439 just girlfriends enjoy doing it. They enjoy because they they're 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:20.920 friends with me as a guy, so that for them 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:24.640 it's fun to then dressed me up or do the makeup, 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:28.200 and they like doing different styles or trying to make 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:32.680 me as as fair as possible. What was your first outfit? Uh, 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:36.640 So it's kind of strange. My very first outfit or 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:38.679 the very first time I did it was for a 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:46.359 friend's eighteen birthday party years ago, like twelve years ago. Um, 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:49.840 and I had a long, sort of pink sequin bullgown. 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:52.359 Kind of why did you do it for the party, 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:57.480 because well, I was the whole thing started with an 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:00.360 ext girlfriend. I was with a girlfriend and she kind 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:06.040 of got me into it when we're young, sixteen seventeen, Yeah, 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:09.479 and she she's kind of started the whole thing. Um, 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:12.520 and then my friend was having a party where the theme, 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:16.520 the dress up theme was kings and queens, and um, 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:19.520 my girlfriend had gone as the Queen of Hearts. She 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:22.079 dressed up in a you know, a sexy queen of heartsting, 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:25.360 and she kind of convinced me to go as a 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:30.160 drag queen. The first time. We kind of went out 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:33.760 and bought like a wig and a dress. And heels 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:36.200 and that kind of stuff. Now, is this something that 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:39.920 you started doing um or that you had an attraction 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:42.920 to at a younger age, but maybe your parents wouldn't 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:44.920 you know what I mean? Was it something that wasn't allowed? 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:47.000 Was it something that you kind of always wanted to do, 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:50.200 or was it really literally that that girlfriend at eighteen 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:53.719 that got you into it. I'd always liked dressing up 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:56.600 as AE kids. I wouldn't necessarily to say that that 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:59.839 was like female dressing up because that was not that much. 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:02.240 Someone wants to know when you identified with this part 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:06.920 of yourself. Yeah, I guess she kind of brought it out. 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:08.920 Like I think when I was young, I liked just 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:11.600 the whole dressing up in general, you know, because there's 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:14.199 any kind of character as Disney as you know, just 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:18.319 generic dressing up. While you're saying that, I do want 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:21.720 to read this one question I have from Christopher. He said, 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:24.360 and I feel like it's tying in. Can you explain 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:27.800 your experience living in the intersection of gender performance and 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:32.960 expression basically, like is this something that has to do 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:35.680 like do you like being another gender? Like is this 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:39.320 just roleplay? Like? How did it feel? It's kind of 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:44.120 role play. It's kind of maybe escapism or it's kind 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:48.960 of I like, it's definitely pretending and that sort of acting. 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:51.920 It's not I don't want to be a woman, or 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:54.400 I don't, you know, I don't I don't want to 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:56.920 live like that permanently. I love being a guy. I 0:14:56.960 --> 0:15:00.560 love my life as it is. But then just like 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:06.520 you know, occasionally transforming kind of a transformation process and 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:11.680 pretending maybe escaping. I don't know how often are you sissy? 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:17.840 It depends, um probably once once every few weeks or 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:20.360 something like that. You know, it depends what's going on 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:22.440 and where I am. And I saw you had a 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:25.400 picture out and about with two girls, so like normally 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:28.120 that was the first picture I've ever seen where somebody 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:29.840 was dressed to like that that wasn't in drag like 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:32.760 outside or that's not a drag queen in the daytime, 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:35.880 Like where were you? Like when are you like really 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:40.160 going out there? So I've been living abroad for the 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:43.440 last few years, and when I was back home in 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:48.200 London to I just decided to fuck it and go out. 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:52.600 And in London, um, there's a lot of kind of 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:56.880 places like clubs and so fetish bars or fetish clubs 0:15:56.960 --> 0:16:00.280 or gay bars, drag queen bars to go to. So 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:03.840 I did went to those kind of places. But then 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:07.520 where I've been living recently, there wasn't that kind of scene. 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:10.640 So I just had friends and we just went out. 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:12.360 We just said, fuck it, We're just going to go 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:16.160 out to bars or clubs, regular ones and just have fun. 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:19.040 Have you done it in New York for the first 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:22.840 time the other week? Yes? Where'd you go? Um? I 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:25.600 can't remember the bar, but it was in the West Village, 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:30.600 some drag queen bars in West Village. So we've established 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:33.080 if someone cross dresses, that doesn't mean they're gay. What's 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:38.080 your sexuality? What do you identify with? Heterosexual? Like open 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:41.640 minded and free flowing, but heterosexution, so not like okay. 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:44.040 So the reason I wanted to ask that question is 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:48.320 because on Sissy's page something it said something something sir 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:52.600 question mark, and I was like, oh, because I knew 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:54.440 you were on bumble looking for women when we match. 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:56.320 But then I was curious, like, do you have men 0:16:56.360 --> 0:17:00.320 on there as well? I don't know, but it is 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:02.800 kind of I guess that was just kind of it's 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:06.679 kind of when I'm dressed like that, and if I 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:09.280 do go, you know, outside, then I do have guys 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:12.800 that are you know, it's kind of either attracted or 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:15.920 interested or that kind of thing, and it's it's kind 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:18.360 of just going with the role player. I suppose that, yeah, 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:20.639 like a daddy thing or whatever. I guess. So she 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:23.200 sat here and asked all these politically correct questions. I'm 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:25.680 going to ask the questions I really want to know. Um, 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:27.359 and I'm sure a lot of my next one was 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:32.200 our first date again walk boring. Um, So I really 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:36.000 want to know when it comes to dating, um a woman. 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:39.560 Because you've clearly said you haven't dealt with I got 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:43.359 my own questions. Um, you clearly haven't messed with any 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:46.440 men up to this point. Correct or you have dip 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:51.440 and dabt. I've had experiences, but not in terms of 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:54.600 dating or anything like that. That's not okay. And with 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:57.720 the cross dressing, does it bring an arousal to you 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:01.679 when you're in this character? Do you feel harder? Do 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:07.119 you feel more aroused? Is this what gets you off it? Sometimes? 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:10.240 There's definitely two For me, there are two sides to 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:13.800 it that that definitely is a sexual aspect of a 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:17.439 sexual side. Um. But there's a huge chunk that is 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:22.199 not It's just fun. It just makes me happy. But 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:25.240 on Bumble, you're so like that. That's why I want 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:27.200 to talk about the first date because I'm bumble. You're 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:31.240 specifically talking for one thing Sissy made right, So like, 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:33.720 how does that work? Our girls really like swiping you 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:35.840 right to clean their house or do you want something 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:40.840 else from it? They are and I do that happens? Um? No, 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:46.160 Ideally I want I want to be uh Robbie and 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:51.159 and Sissy. Um. I've just been scared, I suppose or 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:54.639 afraid to have them on both because there's certain people 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:58.679 in my life that I'm not comfortable with them knowing. Uh. 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:02.159 Out of that for me is work like people I 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:06.840 work with. UM. But the kind of beauty or nice 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:08.919 thing for me coming to a new city, in a 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:13.280 big city like New York is that it's very unlikely, 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:16.000 especially knowing my work colleagues, they're not going to come 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:18.720 across you know, they're not going to listen to this 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:22.159 podcast for example, right, I wouldn't have recognized you in 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:24.680 that picture, and like like if I would have matched 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:27.040 with both profiles, I've never would have. So that's that's 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:30.520 what gives me kind of anonymity for sure. For sure, 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:33.280 So putting them both together is what I really want 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:35.639 to do. And a few weeks ago here in New 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:37.639 York is the first time I have done that. Where'd 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:39.960 you do that? Tinder or Tinder? Yeah? And I did 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:42.600 want to ask, So when you're dating, you said you 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:45.840 want someone to accept Cissy and Robbie. Have you ever 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:49.840 had a relationship since you've been both that you couldn't 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:54.760 be both? Like? Was your partner not interested in Cissy? Yes, 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:58.719 there's been like, well, not a long relationship, but certainly 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:01.640 relationships that have lasted a few months or six months 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:05.360 or so. Um. Some I haven't even been told, they 0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:09.280 haven't even known. Um. Why did you feel like you couldn't? 0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:15.480 A variety of reasons. Sometimes because I've dated twice, I've 0:20:15.520 --> 0:20:20.840 dated girls from work, Um it's been a barrier. Um. 0:20:21.040 --> 0:20:24.359 Other times just I don't know. Sometimes you just you 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:26.600 just don't feel like you can, or it's it's you know, 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:29.560 hasn't any girlfriend that you are a woman you've ever dated? 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:31.560 Like found women's clothing in your home and been like, 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:34.840 what the fun? Yes, my last girlfriend did so she 0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:40.080 did not know, um, and then she found she found Well, 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:45.480 how did that conversation go fucking terribly? She was she 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:48.040 of course assumed there was someone else's How long were 0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:52.600 you dating her? About about a year? But it was 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:55.520 kind of a long distance a long distance relationship. A 0:20:55.600 --> 0:20:58.040 year A long time to find some fucking heels in 0:20:58.119 --> 0:21:00.720 my boyfriend's house. Yeah, it was a long disc since relationship. 0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:02.520 And she found out. And then you're like, oh, you're 0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:05.160 doing this when I'm not here? Like that makes sense? Yeah, 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:08.320 so she u she found them, assumed it was someone 0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:12.520 else's obviously, of course did you have to show her? 0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:16.480 They used to calm down, um, and then you know, 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:18.879 I had to explain the situation, you know, explain it. 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:22.600 And what was her response? She knew that it wasn't 0:21:22.640 --> 0:21:25.960 another woman, but she knew that this was now something 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:29.240 that she enjoyed doing. And I will say, while me 0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:33.080 and Wheezy are very open to accepting things, this is 0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:36.440 something where I honestly don't know how I would respond 0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:38.600 if I found out my partner was doing it. So 0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:41.400 what was the response when she found out that this 0:21:42.119 --> 0:21:46.720 wasn't another woman's clothing? She was a bit confused. She 0:21:46.720 --> 0:21:49.320 she didn't know if she could accept it. Had she 0:21:49.400 --> 0:21:51.679 heard of it before? She Yeah, she'd heard of it, 0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:56.200 but she only associated it with gay, like a lot 0:21:56.200 --> 0:21:58.600 of people know that. Yeah, so that's something that she 0:21:58.600 --> 0:22:00.640 struggled with. She thought, you know, she kind of made 0:22:00.680 --> 0:22:04.680 the assumption that you know, that always may be gay. Uh, 0:22:04.920 --> 0:22:06.880 she wasn't sure how she could accept it. And then 0:22:06.960 --> 0:22:09.640