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Speaker 1: August fifteenth, twenty twenty two, in a loaded Morning Combat.

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Speaker 1: How about Award nominated Canadian journalist. His aim is true.

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Speaker 1: He's MMA's answer to Elvis Costello. It's a Brown himself.

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Speaker 1: Aaron Bronstetter AB always a pleasure, my friend.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you for having me before people email in

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Speaker 3: to correct you. It's actually the seventeenth of August, So

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Speaker 3: everything's great, And you're right, this is a loaded week.

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Speaker 3: That is something that I don't think you can block out.

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Speaker 3: But just foundationally, these are two different fighters now, and

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Speaker 1: No, it's a fair point, and obviously this is more

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Speaker 3: And then the n Ads fight, which I think is

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Speaker 3: But what have we seen that would convince us that

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Speaker 1: Would you agree when people say this fight should have

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Speaker 3: So I imagine we're going to see the most prepared and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, ready or not, it's his time. Our friends at

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Speaker 1: Caesars currently have the odds plus three ten the underdog

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Speaker 1: kamoraw Usman. Look, it would make sense. Kamorrow. Usman is

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Speaker 3: Well, the big problem for Usman in this kind of

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Speaker 3: who's gonna move to two o five and who's the

430
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Speaker 3: title at light heavyweight? You're just a hater if you

431
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Speaker 3: say he's not the greatest of all time, right, like

432
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Speaker 3: he's moved up two weight classes. Yeah, you would just

433
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Speaker 3: have to be a hater and not call them the

434
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Speaker 3: best of all time? And that's that point in time,

435
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Speaker 3: Am I right?

436
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Speaker 1: Yes, you're one hundred percent right? Would that would be monumental.

437
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Speaker 1: But let me ask you this. I got a lot

438
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Speaker 1: of questions to ask you about this conversation. Again, this

439
00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,800
Speaker 1: is what podcasters do, right, They fill time talking about

440
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Speaker 1: goats and it pisses the hardcores off, who only want

441
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Speaker 1: to talk about the fights. But you know, obviously in

442
00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,680
Speaker 1: GSPS for everyone titles and two divisions, but that doesn't

443
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Speaker 1: necessarily matter in the Who's the Greatest Welterweight campaign? GSP

444
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,000
Speaker 1: way more beloved. Do you think GESP fought better competition

445
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Speaker 1: than Kamorrow has.

446
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Speaker 3: Well, it's hard to say because he made them look

447
00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,600
Speaker 3: so bad, but they got there. They got to the dance, right,

448
00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:49,560
Speaker 3: So if they're getting to the dance, like listen when

449
00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,680
Speaker 3: he need Bjpen, everybody considered Bjpen to be one of

450
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Speaker 3: the top five fighters in the world, and he completely

451
00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,639
Speaker 3: demolished Bjpenn in that fight, right, So I mean you

452
00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,000
Speaker 3: have to take stuff like that in the consideration. So

453
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Speaker 3: I mean, like you said, GSP is beloved. I don't

454
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Speaker 3: know why Kamaru isn't equally beloved.

455
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Speaker 1: Okay, let me counter you, because I make the comment

456
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Speaker 1: from time to time and people give me dirty looks.

457
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Speaker 1: That the only reason why usman isn't the star level

458
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Speaker 1: even though I agree with everything you said, Like he

459
00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,520
Speaker 1: hasn't had issues. He's an honest, hard working guy. He

460
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,399
Speaker 1: represents you know, his home nation in Africa, but also

461
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,719
Speaker 1: is like it's just a great dude. I mean, he's

462
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Speaker 1: an ambassador for the sport. He's getting everything he earns

463
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Speaker 1: and deserves. But there's a little bit of a cornball personally.

464
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Speaker 1: Does that hold him back from getting that? I mean, look,

465
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Speaker 1: it's hard to compare that to GSP because GSP is

466
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Speaker 1: one of those foundational, you know, tent legs in the

467
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Speaker 1: ground of UFC history. I mean, he's like like busheto

468
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Speaker 1: to the core. There are still GSP fans that you know,

469
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,120
Speaker 1: never were really MMA fans, but they were GSP fans.

470
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Speaker 1: Like he's that guy. Is Camarrow just doesn't have the

471
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Speaker 1: right personality to be that guy? Is that fair? Does

472
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Speaker 1: that mean? What is that?

473
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Speaker 3: I think it is mean and I don't think it's

474
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Speaker 3: accurate and I don't understand it. Like if you're gonna

475
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Speaker 3: look at someone's personality and that's why you don't think

476
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Speaker 3: they're look at what happens in the cage matters the truth.

477
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 3: Dustin Poorie said this all the time what happens in

478
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Speaker 3: the cage of the truth. So put all that other

479
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 3: stuff aside. How he is at a press conference, it

480
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,400
Speaker 3: doesn't make a difference. Let's just look at the body

481
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Speaker 3: of work and go from there. And I think people

482
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Speaker 3: liked GSP because he admitted to being scared of fighting,

483
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:17,919
Speaker 3: like he was very human, he was very honest. And

484
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,120
Speaker 3: it's not that Kamaru's dishonest, but I think that there's

485
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Speaker 3: something about him being scared of these things that people

486
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Speaker 3: can relate to that doesn't necessarily mean that he's better

487
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Speaker 3: than Usman or anything like that. I'm laying out both sides.

488
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Speaker 3: I think that that's why people like Usman is because

489
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Speaker 3: he's undefeated. He is still having dominant wins a champion,

490
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Speaker 3: and that's why again, people are in the GSP campus

491
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Speaker 3: because he timpingly dominated the competition for a good stretch

492
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Speaker 3: of time before taking that hiatus and then coming back

493
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Speaker 3: at middleweight and winning another title. So like, there's arguments

494
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Speaker 3: to be made, and I think, like you said, this

495
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:53,679
Speaker 3: is all podcast narrative type stuff that everybody's gonna have

496
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Speaker 3: a different opinion on, and that's okay. That's what makes

497
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Speaker 3: sports fun.

498
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Speaker 1: Everybody's gonna have a different asshole, but we all have one. Okay, true,

499
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Speaker 1: some of us are one.

500
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Speaker 3: We're all giving him away.

501
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, over your right shoulder, is that a figurine of

502
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 1: GSP Boss Rutn or Dana White? I can't figure it

503
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Speaker 1: out from this distance.

504
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 3: Glover thought it was him when I had him on

505
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Speaker 3: the show, but it is GSP.

506
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Speaker 1: Okay, this one over here?

507
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Speaker 3: And did you go to We've got to the Dover Star,

508
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Speaker 3: George Sampa. I'll give you guys a closer look at this,

509
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Speaker 3: the silver Star door Saint Pierre Old School, back when

510
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Speaker 3: there was no uniforms.

511
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Speaker 1: Wow, gear, Did you go to that Toronto Saint Pierre

512
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Speaker 1: Shields fight? That you have memory? You know, memorably behind

513
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Speaker 1: you the program for did you go to that?

514
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Speaker 3: I was there. I've been to every Toronto event, so yeah,

515
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Speaker 3: I was at that one and every other one it

516
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Speaker 3: took place.

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Speaker 1: In Your Canadian brethren showed up for that. I mean

518
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Speaker 1: they went nuts.

519
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Speaker 3: Fifty five thousand plus. There's never been more people attending

520
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Speaker 3: a mixed martial arts event in North America. And that

521
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Speaker 3: was kind of this weird culmination I talked about that.

522
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Speaker 3: I did this monologue that I do every week on Twitter,

523
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,719
Speaker 3: where I talked a little bit about that, how it

524
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,360
Speaker 3: was really the hunger in that market. At that point

525
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 3: in time, Ontario wasn't legalized, and the UFC lobbied and

526
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 3: finally got it legalized, and the hunger of the mixed

527
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 3: marsarts fan in Canada had never been higher. It was

528
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Speaker 3: like the perfect time to do an event like that

529
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Speaker 3: because it was the first time they did an event

530
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Speaker 3: in that locale. They'd been hungry for it for years,

531
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Speaker 3: but it was not legal at the time. Just the

532
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Speaker 3: perfect storm of events that allowed something like that to happen.

533
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Speaker 3: And I think that's why they don't do stadium shows

534
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Speaker 3: very often.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, it's weird for us polite as

536
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Speaker 1: your people. And when I say your people, in some ways,

537
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Speaker 1: I'm saying are people, because don't forget that I'm, you know,

538
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Speaker 1: half French Canadian and my descendants come from Kbec. Okay,

539
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Speaker 1: I mean lease, Although maybe you've got an internal Ontario versus.

540
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Speaker 3: Your descendences are like a un you have descendants from everywhere.

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Speaker 1: I do. I'm also an adopted Welshman, I'll tell you

542
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Speaker 1: that much. But your people love themselves. Some fights, whether

543
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Speaker 1: it's hockey boxing mma. I mean, I've been a mancho

544
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Speaker 1: many times, great fight city, yet they're so nice it's weird.

545
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Speaker 1: Have you guys fully adopted brock Lessner as a as

546
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Speaker 1: a Canadian will take him?

547
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Speaker 3: I mean he lives in Saskia, Skatchewan. I mean, you know, Mitchell,

548
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Speaker 3: he represented the Canadian flag in his last UFC fight,

549
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 3: if you recall all right, a.

550
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Speaker 1: Final question on this weird Goat thing. You mentioned something

551
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Speaker 1: key usman not wanting to fight israel At Asnya his

552
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Speaker 1: buddy teasing some idea of a two o five Yes

553
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Speaker 1: to what you said, if he did that, I don't

554
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Speaker 1: know what we do with him historically, you know, it'd

555
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Speaker 1: be at least something. But if he did that without

556
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Speaker 1: fighting Hamzat first, would he have a scarlet letter on him?

557
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Speaker 3: No? I don't think so, And I don't think that

558
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Speaker 3: that would also make it so that he doesn't fight

559
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Speaker 3: kams Out. And now, I personally believe if you were

560
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Speaker 3: to ask me, you know, hand to god, I think

561
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Speaker 3: that the Hamzat fight is going to be next, Like

562
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Speaker 3: the UFC knows that there's an appetite for that fight.

563
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Speaker 3: If Kamsat ends up beating na Diaz, like this Adeaz

564
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Speaker 3: fight is kind of a paceholder. He could have comes

565
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Speaker 3: out in against Uzman anytime. Of course, he's gonna have

566
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Speaker 3: to beat Nathiaz. And if you listen to Dania White

567
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Speaker 3: yesterday African Tender Series, you're out of your mind if

568
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Speaker 3: you don't believe that Nathiaz has a shot in that fight.

569
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Speaker 3: So let's see it happen first, and then I think

570
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Speaker 3: you're gonna see that fight between Humsat and Uzman. And

571
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Speaker 3: then I think if Usman makes light work of hums

572
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Speaker 3: Out somehow or wins even a competitive fight, I think

573
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Speaker 3: that's when you got to start talking about two a fight,

574
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Speaker 3: because really, who else is there? I mean, you got

575
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Speaker 3: bal Mohammed coming up. I think him versus Sean Brady's

576
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 3: an interesting fight. There's still certainly people that haven't fought

577
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Speaker 3: Uzma yet that are working their way up the division.

578
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 3: I mean, you've also got Shaft caught. I think he's

579
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Speaker 3: an interesting name to look at it one seventy going forward.

580
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Speaker 3: But if they gave him the opportunity to win the

581
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Speaker 3: fight the title at light heavyweight and again he's beaten

582
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Speaker 3: cums Out and he goes and win the light Heavyweight Championship.

583
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Speaker 3: He would be, in bold underlined, without a shadow of

584
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Speaker 3: a doubt, the greatest of all time. And I don't

585
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Speaker 3: think you could even argue against it.

586
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Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, you know, I got an interesting middleweight fight

587
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Speaker 1: for him, GSP. But that's just me, all right, Let's

588
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Speaker 1: keep the train moving. Look, the odds have, as we mentioned,

589
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: Usman is a four to one favorite, so that's you know,

590
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Speaker 1: that's that's pretty wide for a title fight. How big

591
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Speaker 1: of an upset in your eyes would it be for

592
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Speaker 1: Leon Edwards to do this?

593
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Speaker 3: I mean you have to look at the odds and

594
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Speaker 3: say that it would be a pretty big upset. And

595
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 3: it's not just because of the odds, but also because

596
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 3: Uzman again has never lost in the UFC. We have

597
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 3: a pretty interesting clashing of styles. We've got kind of

598
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 3: grappo versus striker, but still a pretty well rounded game

599
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 3: all around for both guys. But yeah, I mean, what

600
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 3: is the path for Leon Edwards? I think the really

601
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 3: the path for Leon Edwards is if a Uzman is

602
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Speaker 3: somehow unable to take him down over the course of

603
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Speaker 3: the fight, tires himself out or b he decides to

604
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 3: test the stand up against Leon Edwards and fails, But

605
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Speaker 3: I just don't see either of those outcomes being particularly likely.

606
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Speaker 3: That being said, I think if Edwards ends up winning,

607
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Speaker 3: it's a massive upset. It's a monumental upset.

608
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no question about it. How many former Utah

609
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: jazz players will be in attendance in Salt Lake City

610
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Speaker 1: because I'm hoping we get like an Adam Keith sighting

611
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: or like an oaster tag or some shit.

612
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Speaker 3: I just wouldn't want to be sitting behind Yogi oaster tag.

613
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 3: That would be a bad look. But yeah, I mean,

614
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Speaker 3: I think that we could certainly see some some jazmine

615
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Speaker 3: in attendance. I would like to see that. If Karl

616
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Speaker 3: Malone is there, Johnston, Jeff Horn and anybody from that

617
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 3: that great era of Utah jazz, Lord Mark Eaton, that

618
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 3: would be another guy you don't want to sit behind.

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Speaker 1: Noow wow, seven foot four, all of that. Let's keep

620
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Speaker 1: it going to topic too. It's the rest of the

621
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Speaker 1: UFC two seventy eight storylines, and there's a couple of

622
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Speaker 1: interesting fights to circle here. Uh wow, rath Boggs sliding

623
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Speaker 1: in he'll be on later in the show, slid to

624
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Speaker 1: the chat to say Marky and has Mark all right,

625
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Speaker 1: the big to the UFC legend. I'm sure he was

626
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Speaker 1: great at volleyball. I'm just gonna guess. I'm gonna put

627
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Speaker 1: that out there. He's the block shots without jumping, Okay,

628
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Speaker 1: h our cole main event is kind of an interesting

629
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Speaker 1: middleweight tilt here, as former titles challenger and wine enthusiast

630
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Speaker 1: Paulo Costa takes on former champion altogether and Luke Rockhold,

631
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Speaker 1: who hasn't won since twenty seventeen, has been extremely inactive.

632
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: But as you look at this fight, it's hard to

633
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: say there's not huge steaks. Rock Hold has already said,

634
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Speaker 1: if I pull the upset and win this, I will

635
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: accept nothing short of a UFC title against opportunity against

636
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: ad Asanya and or I won't accept anything moving forward.

637
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: You can see Luke rock Yeah, you can see Luke

638
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: Rockold on the embedded saying he's found his his purpose again,

639
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: his his the fire has been relt in terms of

640
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: why he's back, why he's doing this, why he wants

641
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Speaker 1: to win. Forget the result for a second. What do

642
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Speaker 1: you expect to see out of this version of Luke

643
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: Rockold here? You know, forty's not that far away he's

644
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: been inactive. What can we expect in the first time

645
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: that you know, we've seen him since a trio of

646
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: stoppage there in that four fight run.

647
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 3: This is the weirdest main event that I can remember,

648
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 3: because I just have absolutely no clue how this one's

649
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 3: going to play out. We haven't seen Rockhold in a

650
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 3: long time. He's coming off that lost to Bavovich at

651
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 3: two o five. He's taken some time away from the

652
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,239
Speaker 3: sport to recover and focus more on his recovery than

653
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 3: on training. He said that on the UFC Countdown show,

654
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 3: and then you look at Costa and what happened in

655
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 3: that last fight. He shows up, he refuses to make

656
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 3: weight to face Marvin Vattori, comes out throwing absolute hammers

657
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 3: at Vittori. His chin is I think among the best

658
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 3: in the UFC. I mean, it's impossible to crack that guy,

659
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 3: it seems, so. I just don't know what version of

660
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 3: these guys is gonna show up. I understand why Costa

661
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 3: is the heavy favorite, especially after him throwing those hammers

662
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 3: against Victorian that last fight. I think if he connects

663
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 3: on one of those against Luke rock Hold, it's gonna

664
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 3: be tough. For him to withstand more than one of those,

665
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 3: so I think that's why you see him a such

666
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 3: a big favorite. But I just have no idea how this.

667
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 3: I don't know how rock Hold is gonna look because

668
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 3: it's been so long since we've seen him compete. I'm

669
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 3: not sure what version of Costa shows up the fight week.

670
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna be speaking with him later today,

671
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 3: so maybe i'll get a better glimpse of exactly what's

672
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 3: going on. But yeah, it's just a very interesting time

673
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 3: for this fight to take place, and weird circumstances all around.

674
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: Plus two to ninety is rock Hold, according to Caesars

675
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: your underdog minus three seventy coast before we get into

676
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: Paulo's journeys as well, as you just sort of tease

677
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: his own up and down run of late. Would that

678
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: be kosher? Considering at Asnia's more or less cleaned out

679
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: this division. Somebody with the name of Luke Ross, if

680
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: he comes back and beats Paulo Costa, that's a great

681
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: ass win for a veteran, a guy with a name,

682
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: muscular guy who's very good looking. You got to give

683
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: him his flowers here. Would you be okay with him

684
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: caught in the line with a win this.

685
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 3: Big Oh absolutely not. I mean he needs to win again.

686
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 3: I guess someone else. I mean, the middleweight division is

687
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 3: not super crowded. But at the same time, I think

688
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 3: that a win over Paulo Costa, I mean victory, just

689
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 3: beat Polo Costa. I know he's fought Israel already twice.

690
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: But that's not how the UFC does to ABE. That's

691
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: not how they do it. They don't do it that way.

692
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 3: Well, this is the interesting thing because if you look

693
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 3: at Israel in his skill set, if you take the

694
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 3: rock Hold that was the champion or the Wideman that

695
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 3: was the champion, those would be nightmare matchups for him.

696
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 3: But those guys are you know, they're where they are

697
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 3: now at their career. Their best days are behind them.

698
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 3: So let's see how it plays out. But I mean,

699
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 3: if he like knocks down Paulo Costa and submits him

700
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 3: in the first year, maybe we can start talking about that.

701
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 3: But I don't know if he jumps the line, and

702
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 3: I don't think Costa with a win over rock Hold

703
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 3: is going to get another shot at Israel. And I'm

704
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 3: soon either, dude.

705
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: I think he'll get the shot I really do. I

706
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: really think love's doing that. They love putting, you know, Oh,

707
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: let's give frank Y ed you're another title show. Let's

708
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: give Dan Henderson at forty six. So that's a good storyline.

709
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: They love that. I think it's time Forrazy to move up.

710
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anybody else Aroun to fight. Okay,

711
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: that's just my two cents. No one really takes those

712
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: those shekels, those loonies. If I can speak Canadian with you,

713
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: no one really takes my two cents that. That's seriously,

714
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: but that's what I got to say.

715
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 3: Well, that's soony. Actually it's two cents.

716
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: Okay, there you go, there you go. By the way,

717
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: you needed my help on the math earlier from twenty

718
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: sixteen to twenty twenty two. Were you thinking metric system

719
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: in your head the whole time?

720
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was very We don't use numbers

721
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 3: here in Canada, we just know, so it was very

722
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 3: very complicated stuff for me.

723
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: Look what, here's what. Here's how I'm going to transition

724
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: to talking about Paul Kosta. I'm gonna go through Luke

725
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: crock Hold. I think since Luke rock Hold won the

726
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: title at UFC one ninety four, God twenty fifteen, right

727
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: like so long ago against Chris Widman. Never been the same,

728
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: knocked out three times against very dangerous opponents. But I

729
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: think the recurring theme for me, and there was one

730
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: win in between, obviously against David Branch, was that rock

731
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: Hole has fought so arrogant for a guy with that

732
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: much skill, and you know, go back and watch his

733
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: greatest hits. He's he's incredible. He just finds himself in

734
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: bad situations, wrong moment, wrong time, hands down, chinaut, you

735
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like, there's an arrogance to how

736
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: he fights, Abe, there's an arrogance to how Paula Costa fights.

737
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: And I think that since that egg he laid against

738
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: at Asnia, which you know contains also his reveal afterwards

739
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: about being up all night drinking wine and not sleeping

740
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: and all that, Like, dude, what the hell happened? I

741
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: saw him against Vitty. Yeah he's still dangerous to knock

742
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: you out. Yeah he's still tough as nails, but he's

743
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: now fighting completely ignorant. Like, I don't have a lot

744
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: of confidence, not that Polo Coaster won't win, this fighter

745
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: won't potentially win it spectacularly. That's what the odds are

746
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,479
Speaker 1: telling you. It's probably what's gonna happen. But I feel

747
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: like he's just a little bit off till since that

748
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: out of Sonia Night. Maybe you can argue he's always

749
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: been he's always been a bit of a wild man,

750
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: but I thought I saw leading up to the title opportunity,

751
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: a more composed wild man. Now I'm a little nervous

752
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: for him that he's just gonna go out there and

753
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: be like, Yeah, I've gotten good enough shape, let's just brawl.

754
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: That's who I think he is moving forward. Do you

755
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: get any smell of that?

756
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, a little bit. I mean, I don't think that

757
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 3: anybody could comfortably bet him as a nearly four to

758
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 3: one favorite given what we saw during the fight week

759
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 3: against Vitty. Maybe once he steps on the scale, you

760
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 3: can if he's looking like he's in good shape, he

761
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 3: makes one hundred and eighty six or below, then maybe

762
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 3: you can comfortably say, Okay, I think he's gonna beat

763
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 3: rock Hold. And then even if he does come out

764
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 3: with a brawling mentality against rock Hold, that could work.

765
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 3: I mean like that could very well work and result

766
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 3: in a first found finished for Paulo Costa. So again,

767
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 3: that's why this is a weird comin event for me,

768
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 3: because I just have no clue how this is gonna

769
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 3: play out. There's just so many weird things that could

770
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 3: happen in this fight. I think this is a thing

771
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 3: that is most likely to happen. Is that cost it's

772
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 3: a knockout early in the fight.

773
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: It is.

774
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 3: You would ask me for my prediction, That's how I

775
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 3: predict this fight ends. But I mean, I mean, if

776
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 3: if rock Hold shows glimpses of being the rock Hold

777
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 3: of Old, and his body's in good shape and he's

778
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 3: able to land a takedown at some point in this fight,

779
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 3: that's the last guy you want on top of you

780
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 3: in the middleweight division, is Lou Rockold because he's so

781
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 3: dangerous in every facet of the ground game, and that's

782
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:22,760
Speaker 3: always made him such a special fighter.

783
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I fully agree with that. It's the arrogance that's

784
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 1: the issue. He just ends up in bad situations. You

785
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: might argue, though, that this is the the sexiest matchup

786
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: UFC's ever put together. I mean, yeah, I could probably

787
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: offer you some women's straweight fight second equal. Yeah, it's

788
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: it's an all body team matchup. You know, maybe we

789
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: can send Canadian wrestling legend Rick Martellen to the ring

790
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 1: to spray his arrogance cologne all over because it really

791
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: sums that up. Look, either way, it's gonna be mussive TV.

792
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: I'm interested. I'm into it. He is he is still alive.

793
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 1: We've checked that. Okay, we've checked his pulse. Great, thank

794
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: you the model himself. Look, maybe the best fight on

795
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,760
Speaker 1: the whole damn card. It comes in the overly loaded

796
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: bandonweight division that we all love, and it's the legend

797
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 1: the King of Heo as Luke Thomas won't stop texting

798
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: me to prove that he thinks he's right. It's Jose Aldo.

799
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: But when it comes to Russian, Georgian, Moldovian, Eastern European

800
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: hammers that I've got in my cupboard back here, it

801
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: may be time to add Morob Devolish Wheeley, who's on

802
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: a great run of his own. Abe. This is not

803
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: an easy fight for either man. This is a hell

804
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: of a fight. Is there any chance this is too

805
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 1: much too soon for Morob in terms of like, Look,

806
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna be fighting a skilled, thoughtful, tough as nails

807
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: veteran in the former champ, Jose Aldo, is this fight

808
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 1: closer than sort of the age in the directions they're

809
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: going may lead you to believe.

810
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 3: Well, if it is too much, too soon, JOSEE Aldo's

811
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 3: the guy to prove that. We saw that against Chieto Vera,

812
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 3: we saw that against Rob font We saw that, I

813
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 3: guess against Jeremy like against Jeremy Stevens a couple of

814
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 3: years ago. Like, if you're not ready, Jose Aldo will

815
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 3: expose you. But Morob the calm machine for a reason.

816
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 3: I mean, this guy is just takedown takedown, takedown, like rinse, repeat,

817
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 3: make your life miserable. And I think in a three

818
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 3: round fight that really plays to Morob's advantage because he

819
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 3: can win two rounds no problem. If he's able to

820
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 3: get at the ground. He's one of those guys where

821
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 3: if he gets into the ground, you are in big

822
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 3: trouble and are in major danger of losing this fight.

823
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 3: It might come down to Jose Aldo having to go

824
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 3: for broken the third round if Morob is able to

825
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 3: implement the game plan early on. But like you said,

826
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 3: early on, like you know when you tee this up

827
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 3: for me, if you are not ready, Jose Aldo is

828
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 3: going to be the person that exposes you, and I

829
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 3: think that's what could happen here to Marob dwalas Vili personally.

830
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 3: I think Morob rises to the occasion and gets it

831
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 3: done in this one.

832
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: It's gonna be interesting. I mean, not only this division

833
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: historically great, there are so many matchups right now where

834
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: you could talk yourself into the idea that the winner,

835
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: with a spectacular performance can cut the line. Shoon O'Malley

836
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: against Yan probably the best chance to cut that line.

837
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: But we just saw Cheeto Vera get a huge win.

838
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: If Aldo wins this one, on damn, that's four in

839
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: a row and you already beat Cheeto Vera recently. You know,

840
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: there's also San Hagen and Song youe Dong. I mean

841
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: this is not to mention Dilla Shaw going for the

842
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: actual title against Sterling. So what a time to be

843
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: alive for Aldough Damn. I mean, if he could pull

844
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 1: this off against a guy on this streak, with this

845
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: gas tank, with this sort of thing, this would be

846
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: his greatest and most rewarding victory. Sense what.

847
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 3: Wow, that's a good question. I mean, the funny thing

848
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 3: is he got the title fight against Pietriano off a

849
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 3: loss Rice, it was like a controversial decision. So when

850
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 3: was the last big win for the last.

851
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: Feel good great win was maybe Jeremy Stevens. You know,

852
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: we were like, holy shit, he's back right, and then

853
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:53,720
Speaker 1: went over.

854
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 3: Frankie Edgar was a big one as well. UFC two hundred.

855
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 3: I mean that was another one that kind of got

856
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 3: him back on the horse after that lost to Connor.

857
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean that maybe that one. But like you,

858
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 3: I mean, like you said, if he ends up beating Morob,

859
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 3: one of the best friends of al Jamaine Sterling, a

860
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 3: guy who he's never fought, I think all those next

861
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 3: in line, is he not at his age? He trying

862
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 3: to get that second title. I think if Aldo wins,

863
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously we're gonna have see what happens with

864
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 3: Dilla Shop. But even if Dilla Shah wins at Dilla

865
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 3: Shaw Aldo fight, who's not watching that, right? I know

866
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 3: Aldo fell short against Pildrian, but I think a win

867
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 3: here over Morob, he becomes the front runner for the

868
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 3: next title shot at bantamweight. Regardless of how that bantamweight

869
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 3: title fight plays out.

870
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 1: Wow, and regardless of O'Malley, you don't think he has

871
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: the edge in the In the company's.

872
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 3: Eyes, O'Malley's got time right, and the uftually looks at

873
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 3: that kind of thing. You know, if O'Malley ends up

874
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 3: beating Yan, it would be a massive upset, and I

875
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 3: think that it would show that O'Malley's ready. But if

876
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 3: you've got Aldo coming off a win over Morob, you

877
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 3: have two great matchups that you can make with Sterling Andaldo.

878
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 3: TJ and Aldo, you gotta the legend. I think that

879
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 3: they give. Although the next shot, if he gets a

880
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 3: really strong win here, I mean, if it ends up

881
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 3: being a close, contentious decision, then of course the balls

882
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 3: are thrown back in the air and we see how

883
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 3: they land. But I think that although, especially having a

884
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 3: win over Cheetah, that also adds to that resume. So yeah,

885
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 3: it's a good win all those next in line.

886
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: If he gets a win, Yeah, it's a clean, good

887
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: ass win that he had over Cheetah.

888
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 3: Whereas like, I love.

889
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 1: The Cheetoh win overall Malley, but you still have half

890
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: the population telling you that's not a real win. I mean,

891
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: you stove Sean Mallley telling you it's not a real win.

892
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: It's a real damn win. Okay, if Michael Chandler Brent

893
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: Premis won, is a real win. You know what I'm saying.

894
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: You get the point Vegas has at Caesar's although plus

895
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: one ten a slight underdog, minus one thirty for Morob.

896
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: Final question on this matchup. If Devlish Wheely cannot consistently

897
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: take this fight to the ground, is are there other

898
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: paths to victory from what you've seen out of him

899
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: up to this point?

900
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 3: You know, not really. I think against a guy like

901
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 3: Marlon Marise, he was able to do some good work

902
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 3: on the feet. But I think if you're in any

903
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 3: sort of stand up about against all though, and that's

904
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 3: not your bread and butter, although we'll find openings that

905
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,479
Speaker 3: he'll pick you apart. So I think that he needs

906
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 3: to get the site to the ground in order to win.

907
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 3: If he ends up winning a decision without getting a takedown,

908
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 3: I mean, I will be the first guy to admit

909
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 3: that I was one hundred percent wrong on that. I

910
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 3: just don't see that being a possibility.

911
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,760
Speaker 1: It's weird. The more you look at the math, you're like, Okay,

912
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: although right, full underdog, but there's a few ways you

913
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: can win this. I mean, look, if you're on your

914
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: back for how far, that's.

915
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 3: An easy got to take down either, like historically all

916
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 3: those been notoriously difficult to take down, and that's why

917
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,399
Speaker 3: he was the featherweight champion for so long.

918
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 1: But if he does get taken down consistently, then you're

919
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: like that get his gas take against Morobs even you

920
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 1: know it's it's gonna be it's gonna be interesting. Look,

921
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: we are really as the days get closer, hyping up

922
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: more the return here of Alexander Romanov. It's a fight

923
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 1: against Marching Tibura that I think it didn't just get

924
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: bumped down to the prelim main event. Did I read

925
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: that correctly on Twitter? I didn't see that, But all right,

926
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: we'll have to check back in on that. But here's

927
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: the deal. Ty Burro always a you know, a tough

928
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: out in this division. You know you you don't want

929
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 1: to use the gatekeeper turn, but he does find out

930
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: if people are ready. Romanov is just coming off that

931
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: win over Chase Sherman where he was the biggest a

932
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 1: favorite in UFC betting history. Although never forget the line

933
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: that came out for Chevchenko against Nico Montano. Never forget

934
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: that straight up easy question. How good is Alexander Romanov?

935
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 3: He is great, and I mean this is why I

936
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 3: love this matchup because Romanov can implement his game plan

937
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 3: where he takes people down and mauls them against almost

938
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 3: any heavyweight. But Tibera is not a fish out of

939
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 3: water on the ground. Tibera does his best work on

940
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 3: the ground, so this is not gonna be a situation

941
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,439
Speaker 3: where Romanov's gonna be able to take him down and roll.

942
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 3: I think that this is gonna be a tough fight

943
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 3: for Romanov, and I know Romanov's a massive favorite here,

944
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 3: but I think that Tibera has the skills to make

945
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 3: this a difficult matchup for him. If I were to

946
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 3: predict how this fight ends, I think it's gonna be

947
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 3: Romanov by decision, but I don't think he's gonna be

948
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 3: able to get tiber out of there on the ground

949
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 3: because I think Tibera is one of the more well

950
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 3: versed fighters in the heavyweight division when it comes to

951
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 3: fighting on the ground. So this is gonna be a

952
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 3: tough matchup for Romanov because I don't think he's gonna

953
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 3: be able to roll in the same way as he

954
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 3: has against previous opponents, unless he's able to find an

955
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 3: early not like an early knockout against tiber I mean,

956
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 3: I've seen Tibera get cracked before, but I think that

957
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 3: this is actually a pretty evenly matched fight where I

958
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 3: would get you know, I still think that Romanov is

959
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 3: a superior fighter here. But we're gonna learn a lot

960
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 3: from this fight, and those are my favorite kind of fights.

961
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we may learn just enough that

962
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 1: we need to learn through the first two minutes. When

963
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: he finishes him, we'll see what happens. You can take

964
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: this guy.

965
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 3: Where you think this fight's gonna end.

966
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't know, we'll see. Tiberrow is

967
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 1: a tough out. As I mentioned, this is the type

968
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: of matchup that's right for Romanov at this point. Let's

969
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: keep stepping up in increments. Look that this division's got

970
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: some got some bodies at the top, so he's not

971
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 1: gonna be getting forced in anyone's face anytime soon. This

972
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: is the right fight for me. You even saw him

973
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: getting love in the embedded show, you know, working out

974
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: in the parking lot of the hotel in Salt Lake City.

975
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: So they're starting to to really see what we potentially

976
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: have here looking forward to this fight a be I

977
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: love hanging out with you in real life because we're

978
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: Vinyl enthusiasts and you've helped really become, you know, my

979
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: shaman in many ways in this category, and you do

980
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 1: a great job picking through the crates at the old

981
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 1: record shop. Can you pick through the crates of this

982
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 1: undercard and find me, you know, give me one reason

983
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: to stay here, or I'll turn right back around. What

984
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: should I be watching on this undercard when I'm calling

985
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: prelims with Keith Thurman for Show Top Championship Boxing on Saturdays.

986
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 1: What I'm talking about? All right?

987
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 3: Yeah? One guy I think is an absolute hammer is

988
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 3: a J Fletcher. Like, I love what this guy brings

989
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 3: to the table. He's just always looking for finishes and

990
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 3: he's against Ajia Lusa in the early prelims. He's just

991
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 3: the guy that I think you should watch out for.

992
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 3: I think that he's a very interesting name, and I

993
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 3: also love watching Sean Woodson do his thing, and Luis

994
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 3: Saldania is gonna be an interesting opponent for him. So

995
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 3: those are two if you're gonna look at the undercard here,

996
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 3: if you're gonna look beyond the main card, those are

997
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 3: two fights I think are gonna really deliver is Shawn

998
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:02,399
Speaker 3: Woodson versus Luis Aaldnia and A. J. Fletcher against Ange Lussa.

999
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,280
Speaker 3: I think those are two fights that if you're looking

1000
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 3: for something, two fighters that you know, four fighters that

1001
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 3: don't have a ton of experience right now in MMA.

1002
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 3: You know, in the UFC we haven't seen a huge

1003
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 3: sample size. Maybe Sean Woodson is the exception there. I

1004
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 3: think those four four fighters are ones to watch.

1005
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sean Witz in a fun fighter to watch with

1006
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: those long arms, likes to mix it up. Lex. Seeing

1007
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: you pick through these uf secrets reminds me of that

1008
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: time in Vegas that I found, you know, mister Fantasy

1009
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: by Traffic for two dollars and ninety eight cents, and

1010
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: you know the double Little Feet live album Waiting for Columbus.

1011
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I found some gems that day.

1012
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 3: I found the store in Las Vegas. It's taken me

1013
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 3: years to find the store in Las Vegas, and my

1014
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,919
Speaker 3: last trip there I found it. So next time we're

1015
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 3: in Vegas together, we're going We're trekking out to the

1016
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 3: middle of nowhere to this story.

1017
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, we're going ham on that Miranda Maverick always

1018
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: jumps off the screen when I see her in the

1019
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: potential back on the wind streak after those back to

1020
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: back defeats there, She's gonna have a test here at

1021
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: women's flyweight against Shana Young. Are you high on Mavericks still?

1022
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: Since it's early we accept a few losses here, Still

1023
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: going in the right direction now.

1024
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 3: I think so. But this is the problem. If I

1025
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 3: recall Shannon Young is now being coached by Safe Sayoud,

1026
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 3: And when you see somebody coached by Safe Sayoud as

1027
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 3: like a four to one underdog, you know that's a

1028
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 3: little bit tricky because I think random Maverick has all

1029
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 3: the skills to win this fight. But I don't think

1030
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 3: that it's ever a wise move to bet against Safe

1031
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 3: Sayoud and his fighters at that kind of a price.

1032
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 1: Always always giving us, putting money back in our pockets.

1033
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: There it's Aaron Bronsteader Tyson money back and Harry Umbuckler

1034
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 1: as well on that card. Was what were you saying?

1035
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 3: Money back in the safe pun intended?

1036
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Let's move over to topic number three.

1037
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: It surrounds the PFL. They'll be back with PFL nine

1038
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: this Saturday. Get to that in a second, but they

1039
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: made major news just a couple of days ago when

1040
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: Shane Bergos arrived on the scene in person with Ariel

1041
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: Hawani at the MMAO Or New York City to announce

1042
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: that he has signed a free agent deal to jump

1043
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: to the PFL. He ended up getting a colorful Dana

1044
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: White reaction with Kevin Ioli that will get to in

1045
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: a second, but here's what Burgos told Ariel. That was

1046
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: the last fight of my deal, meaning his last one

1047
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: with the UFC. I said after that fight, I wanted

1048
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 1: to test free agency, test the waters. I know what

1049
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: I'm worth, I wanted to see what everyone else thought

1050
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: I was worth. So I went out there. I tested it.

1051
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 1: I'm excited to announce this signing. It was not an

1052
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: easy decision. It was an offer I couldn't turn up.

1053
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: I've got two daughters. I've got to go back home.

1054
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: I've got to look them in the face when it's

1055
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,720
Speaker 1: all said and done in this sport. With this deal,

1056
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: I feel like I will secure that, not taking anything

1057
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: away from my UFC career. Eleven fights. That was the dream.

1058
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: When I was fourteen, I saw it for the first

1059
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: time on TV when I was twelve, et cetera, et cetera.

1060
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: But in the end, look, he made this decision for

1061
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 1: the family. He's had no hard feelings to the UFC.

1062
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: Dana categorizes this as an error. We'll get to that.

1063
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: Like I said, but how big for PFL ab is

1064
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: getting somebody still with a lot of gas in the

1065
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: tank in Burgos?

1066
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 3: Dude. Not only is it a great signing, it comes

1067
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 3: at the perfect time for the PFL because if you

1068
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 3: look at their matchups that ended up being the finales

1069
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 3: in the lightweight division, welterweight division, heavyweight division, I mean

1070
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 3: lightweight division, still pretty good. You have two former UFC guys,

1071
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 3: you got Stevie Ray and Olivier a bon Mercier. But

1072
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 3: let's be real. Last weekend's card was a gong show.

1073
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 3: You have two guys, Dennis Goldsov and Mago mat Umalatov,

1074
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 3: who basically are not allowed to compete because they're Russian athletes,

1075
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 3: and the cards happening in Wales. Have those guys fight

1076
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 3: at MSG. You're doing a card at MSG if you

1077
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 3: know that there's a chance these guys aren't getting visas

1078
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 3: and they're two of the two favorites. Really in those divisions.

1079
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 3: To me, I thought that now you have a welterweight

1080
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,760
Speaker 3: finale between a guy who is a reserve Dylan o' taylor,

1081
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 3: great fighter. I mean, I'm not trying to put the

1082
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 3: guy down. You have him in the finale, and you

1083
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 3: look at the heavyweight finale. One Adams comes in, he

1084
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 3: ends up losing. You end up having the protege from

1085
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 3: co cop and Anti Delijia Anti. I want to make

1086
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 3: sure the lada's name, right, I think Delia Delia. Yeah,

1087
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,399
Speaker 3: you have him against Matteo's Scheffel, Like these are these

1088
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 3: are finales that are not really turning anybody's heads, and

1089
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 3: I think that that's that's really problematic when you have

1090
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 3: the two favorites have to, you know, basically bow out

1091
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 3: because of visa issues. They've earned their way to try

1092
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 3: to win a million dollars and now because of that

1093
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 3: they're out. So I thought that that was a bad

1094
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 3: look for them. And now that bring on Shane Burgos.

1095
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,399
Speaker 3: Timing couldn't be better because people are gonna forget about

1096
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 3: that and talk about what a great signing Burgos is,

1097
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 3: and that is a great signing Burgos. I think he

1098
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 3: says that he's likely going to do it at one

1099
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 3: fifty five. I think that's great for him. That's that's

1100
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 3: the way to do it, because I think one fifty

1101
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 3: five is a weaker division in the PFL than one

1102
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 3: forty five. And I also think that for a guy

1103
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 3: that walks around to like one ninety, if you're gonna

1104
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 3: have to cut wait that many times in concession, I

1105
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 3: think him moving to fifty five is a much better

1106
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,280
Speaker 3: move than trying to, you know, cut off thirty pounds

1107
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 3: every time he wants to make forty five on so

1108
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 3: many occasions this is really bad for his body. But

1109
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 3: I mean, Burgos now has a chance to win a

1110
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 3: million dollars next season, and I think that you'd have

1111
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 3: to call him the favorite regardless of what the field

1112
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 3: is pretty much unless they make some other big splash

1113
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 3: before the tournament starts. And it was weird hearing Dana

1114
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 3: White say yesterday, you know, we made a big mistake

1115
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 3: not keeping him, but also, you know, congratulations to the PFL,

1116
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 3: Congratulations to to Shane Burgos. He's happy for both of them,

1117
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 3: and that was weird to do.

1118
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: The congratulations to the PFL. Is that like an inner

1119
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: ESPN handshake? That just happened.

1120
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 3: Might be the first time he's ever mentioned the PFL, like,

1121
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,399
Speaker 3: aside from maybe when Kayla Harrison's come up.

1122
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting in Las as you sort of stated,

1123
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: this is a Burgos who at thirty one is still

1124
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 1: right in the midst of the best that he can be.

1125
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 1: Fifteen and three overall has won two straight over Billy

1126
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 1: Q and Charles Jordan since that two fight losing streak,

1127
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: which you know, there's some devastation in there, going life

1128
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: or death with them, and then he got stopped by Barbosa.

1129
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: But but he's looked good on the comeback, and I

1130
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: think that's what's fueled Dana's very honest Let's give Dana

1131
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: credit his very honest reaction. So he sat down with

1132
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 1: Kevin Ioli yesterday. It was a very explicative filled rant,

1133
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 1: as you might expect. Not a lot of comeback from Iola.

1134
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: They're just giving him the chance to rant. But the

1135
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 1: specific quote against Burgos here was how do I answer

1136
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: that question? Basically, there were some mistakes that were made here,

1137
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: some shit that look, he should have still been here.

1138
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 1: I respect him very much and I wish him the

1139
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: best one hundred percent. Big mistakes were made over here.

1140
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 1: What does that mean? Does that mean that somebody tried

1141
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:30,280
Speaker 1: to bring a contract re up for Burgos to Dana's

1142
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: desk and it just the communication didn't happen and he

1143
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: wasn't aware that it ran out. I mean, I don't

1144
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 1: know what does that mean.

1145
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm thinking he just didn't get that final rubber

1146
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 3: stamp that was needed where they go to Dana and

1147
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 3: say this is how it's going to be. We either

1148
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,399
Speaker 3: take accept these terms or we let them walk. Maybe

1149
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 3: they just somebody unilaterally decided to let them walk. I

1150
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 3: don't really know the details. That would be my guess,

1151
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 3: but it seems like Dana was pretty disappointed that a

1152
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 3: fun fight fighter like Shane Burgos is going elsewhere. That's

1153
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 3: the kind of guy you want to have in the UFDVS.

1154
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 3: You're guaranteed a fun fight when Shane Burgos is standing

1155
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 3: on one side of the cage.

1156
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: A quick quick note on the rest of that data

1157
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 1: rant from mister Iola there of Yahoo, in which it

1158
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: was brought up the comments that Dana made on that

1159
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: done that fun GQ clip that made the rounds this

1160
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,280
Speaker 1: week that became a story. In fact, ESPN dot com

1161
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: our respected fellow journalist Mark ray Mundy wrote essentially a

1162
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: story using Dana's comments about fighter pay from that piece.

1163
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: Now Dana's now saying that piece was completely edited, and

1164
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 1: you're an asshole if you believe that the things he

1165
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 1: specifically said were specific about fighter pay, meaning never in

1166
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 1: my time when we see the changes, and what he

1167
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: really meant he says was that never in my time

1168
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: will you see UFC become like boxing, which he says

1169
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: overbloated salaries, no shows make money, blah blah blah. His

1170
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: quote about that story of ESPN was, I didn't see

1171
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: the story. I don't even know who wrote it. But

1172
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: you're not a journalist. You're a fucking scumbag. Ab What

1173
00:52:58,560 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: the hell do we do with that?

1174
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I think the cardinal rule is if

1175
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 3: you don't want to be quoted, don't say something. I mean,

1176
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 3: you know, I understand that there was a fun tenor

1177
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 3: to that interview, but again, like I, if you say something,

1178
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 3: you can get quoted. Now was that Did they edit

1179
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 3: it together like you know old hard copy where you're like,

1180
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:20,879
Speaker 3: you take a quote and you make it mean something

1181
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 3: it doesn't. I don't know, I don't know what the

1182
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 3: tone of the interview was, but I do know that

1183
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 3: you are going to if you're gonna say something, anybody

1184
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 3: is free to quote you. That's just kind of the

1185
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 3: way it works.

1186
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like you get his argument. His argument is that

1187
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,879
Speaker 1: I didn't specifically say that about that, but the rest

1188
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 1: of his comments about fighter pay weren't all that attractive anyway.

1189
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,439
Speaker 1: He's like, they get paid what they deserve. They kill

1190
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 1: what they eat. Do they do they really? I don't

1191
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: think so, But yeah, whatever, whatever, I'm just a scumbag,

1192
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 1: that's it, right.

1193
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,359
Speaker 3: I guess so. But you you were in that video, right,

1194
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 3: the Hashet piece.

1195
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I starred in that video. I got a a sag.

1196
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: I got better than.

1197
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 3: I mean, I understand that he's angry about it, but

1198
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 3: at the same time, like, I just don't know what

1199
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 3: could have been done. I guess what could have been

1200
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:04,959
Speaker 3: done differently is they could have reached out to Dana

1201
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 3: for comment, But I mean, I don't know if they

1202
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 3: would have gotten one.

1203
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, that's a good point.

1204
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 3: And I you didn't even know who wrote something.

1205
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: You know, ray Mundy might be a nature of the Beast.

1206
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,399
Speaker 1: I'm kidding. I love Mark Raymundy, not a scumbag at all.

1207
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 1: PFL nine is going to go down. As I mentioned

1208
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 1: this Saturday copper Box Arena in London as the PFL

1209
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: UK Tour continues, Kayla Harrison in the main event Women's

1210
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: lightweight semi finals. The other matchup is Larissa pacheco versus

1211
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: Olena Kolesnik. But Kayla Harrison's going to return against Martina Jindrova. Aybe,

1212
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be really honest here. I don't think

1213
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 1: Kayla wants to be in the PFL anymore. I don't

1214
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: think she's all that excited about this. I think she

1215
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: took the deal because they have the rights to match it.

1216
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 1: She's aggressively trying to get Cyborg into a pay per

1217
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: view byte next year. Is there any foundation here built

1218
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:07,240
Speaker 1: for a trap tournament for Caylea. I mean, she's a destroyer,

1219
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: She's big time better than the opponents in this bracket.

1220
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: I just don't get the feeling like she wants to

1221
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: be here at this point in her career, even with

1222
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: the million dollars.

1223
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 3: Well, she's frustrated. I mean she wants the big fights,

1224
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:24,320
Speaker 3: and the big fights are unavailable now. I think Jendrova

1225
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 3: is a good opponent. I think that Cayle is probably

1226
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 3: gonna win, but I just don't think people respect Larissa

1227
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 3: Pacheco enough. Like that's the weird thing about it. Like

1228
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 3: I think Pataco against Cyborg would be a competitive fight.

1229
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 3: She's really evolved over time. But at the same time,

1230
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 3: we've seen cayleab beat Larissa Pajaco already, and the expectation

1231
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 3: is always going to be twice that Kayla Harrison's gonna

1232
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,800
Speaker 3: beat Larissa Pachaco. I just personally think that that's actually

1233
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 3: gonna be a close fight. Like I think if that

1234
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 3: ends up being the finale, I'm excited for that fight

1235
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,439
Speaker 3: because I think Lrissa Pacheco has gotten a lot better

1236
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 3: since the first time that they fought, not that Kayla hasn't,

1237
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 3: but I think that that actually is a very competitive fight.

1238
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 3: Now I can see where Kyla's coming from. I think

1239
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 3: that her coming back to the PFL was kind of

1240
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 3: predicated on them being able to get Cyborg to sign

1241
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 3: on the dotted line, and it doesn't look like Cyborg

1242
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 3: and her camp has any interest in signing with the PFL,

1243
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 3: and they've said if you want to do a cross

1244
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 3: promotional fight with Bellator, don't you know that doesn't take

1245
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 3: place on Twitter, that takes place behind closed doors. You

1246
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 3: call Bellatore and you try to set that up. Now,

1247
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 3: a PFL versus Bellator card would be very captivating. I

1248
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 3: think that's interesting, but there's a lot of hurdles to clear.

1249
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:29,720
Speaker 3: You've got different rights holders everywhere. So here's here's my solution.

1250
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 3: I thought about this, I haven't said this anywhere, so

1251
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 3: you're going to get the thought is going to get

1252
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 3: put out in the stratosphere. If I'm the PFL and

1253
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 3: I'm Bellator, what you do is you you have a

1254
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 3: pay per view, a bet between Kayla and Cyborg, and

1255
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 3: each of them gets the back their horse. So if

1256
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 3: you're the PFL, you say, if you think Kayla's gonna win,

1257
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 3: you order this on ESPN Plus and if she wins,

1258
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 3: you get you get five dollars back on your purchase.

1259
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 3: And if you're Showtime on Bellatour, you say, if you

1260
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 3: think Cyborg's gonna win, you order this on Showtime pay

1261
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,720
Speaker 3: per view, and if Cyborg wins, you get five dollars

1262
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 3: back off of your purchase. And then you co promote,

1263
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,240
Speaker 3: you co promote this pay per view with both parties involved.

1264
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 3: ESPN Plus or or however PFL is gonna be distributing

1265
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 3: their pay per views. I'm not sure if it's gonna

1266
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 3: be ESPN Plus or if it's gonna be OTT Platforms

1267
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 3: or whatever. But do it that way and then make

1268
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 3: it a big fun thing, make it into a big spectacle,

1269
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 3: and incentivize people to buy the pay per view that way.

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Speaker 3: That's the way that I would do it personally, And

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Speaker 3: I think that that is a fight that hopefully can

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Speaker 3: get made. But it seems like Cyborg doesn't want to

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00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 3: fight in MMA anywhere besides Belatour right now. It seems

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00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 3: like she's made that pretty clear. She's happy. She says

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00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 3: she considers Scott cocherby family. So really, the only way

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00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 3: you can make that fight right now is cross promotion.

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00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 3: But the PFL is planning on launching this big pay

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Speaker 3: per view division, and I don't really see a pay

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00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 3: per view opponent for Kayla Harrison right now that would

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Speaker 3: bring in any Denaro's.

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Speaker 1: Personally, no, unless there's some free agent pickup. I mean, look,

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00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: you know when they sign Julia Budd, former Belator champion

1283
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: for this season, and you know she had some setbacks.

1284
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: It didn't go the way we thought in her building

1285
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 1: up and getting to this point. I like what you're

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00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: saying about Larissa Pacheco, though, who's in the other semi

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00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,439
Speaker 1: final on Saturday. Just from this standpoint, she's won four

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Speaker 1: straight since her second loss to Harrison. She fought Harrison

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Speaker 1: twice in the twenty nineteen season, including in the championship.

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Speaker 1: Although she lost those, she did take Harrison the distance

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Speaker 1: in both fights I got, you know, the second one

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00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 1: being a five rounder, so there's something there. And say

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00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 1: this season, Pacheco's got two first round tkos, so maybe

1294
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: for the final, we'll see. I'm not completely just saying

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Speaker 1: Martina Gindrova's no chance, but it's like, if Kayla gets

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Speaker 1: to next year and they can't make that Cyborg fight

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00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: and there's no other viable opponents, even with the million

1298
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: dollars at stake, you're gonna look at this two year

1299
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: window and be like it's not a waste. But I

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00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know, we'll see. It's interesting, right, well.

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Speaker 3: It seems like, you know, Kayla wants something that they

1302
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 3: can't deliver, and that's gonna be a permanent hiccuppy. The

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00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 3: way that I say when Kayles signed. I said they

1304
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:02,439
Speaker 3: should have just done two tournaments. You do a forty

1305
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 3: five and fifty five women's tournament, and you have Caleb

1306
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 3: do both and just make the capitalized on her earning.

1307
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 3: She can make like five million dollars a year. You's

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Speaker 3: gonna say no to that. I mean, at that point

1309
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 3: in time, you don't worry about quality of opponent. But

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Speaker 3: the thing that just upsets me about it is that

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00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 3: I think that Laurisa Patiko is not getting enough respective

1312
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 3: not enough people know who she is, and I think

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00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 3: that that fight is maybe is almost as competitive as

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Speaker 3: a Cyborg versus Harrison fight at this juncture. I really

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00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 3: don't you don't mean that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, come on, I mean, it's a nice statement,

1317
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 1: but you don't actually mean that.

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Speaker 3: Ab I do know you. I think Pataco is that good.

1319
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 3: I think that she has an incredible amount of power

1320
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 3: in her in her striking. I honestly do. I'm not

1321
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 3: trying to pump the tires of the PFL. If I

1322
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 3: didn't believe it, I wouldn't say it. I just think

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Speaker 3: that Potaco is a really solid fighter and is the

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Speaker 3: next best thing to Cyborg that Harrison can have. I

1325
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 3: just don't think that enough people know it does.

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Speaker 1: This PFL air on TSN in Canada. It's very a

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Speaker 1: very correlation here, tom Kid, I'm listen, but I'm.

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Speaker 3: Being honest here. Okay, So so give me an answer then,

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01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 3: outside of the UFC right now, because you're not gonna

1330
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 3: get a NEWNAS fight, there's not gonna be a PFL

1331
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Speaker 3: UFC CO promotion. Who's the next biggest opponent, the most

1332
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 3: competitive opponent for Kayla Harrison outside of Cyborg? It's got

1333
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 3: to be I think it's gotta be Pachaco. She's the best,

1334
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 3: the next best option in this situation.

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Speaker 1: True, if that's the final she's she's the best available opponent.

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01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 1: So let's see if they both get there. I'm not

1337
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: jumping through hoops with excitement. I will say the statistics,

1338
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: the recent memory show she would be the look she's

1339
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: got a knockout pology.

1340
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 3: That's a big point. She'll be the underg for sure.

1341
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 1: But if she's got knockout pot, you haven't asked.

1342
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 3: Five hundred underdog. I mean, that's good value.

1343
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens. They both got to get past it.

1344
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 1: In the featherweight bracket, it's going to be Chris Wade

1345
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: versus former Dana White Contender series Brendan Loughnan, who famously

1346
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 1: didn't get the contract when he wrestled, but has really

1347
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 1: starting to become something on this side of the fence.

1348
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 1: You also have Rayo Ji Kudo against Bubba Jenkins. Are

1349
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: any of the jumping out to you as the favorite

1350
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 1: entering the semi finals.

1351
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 3: I think it would probably be Chris Wade if I

1352
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 3: had to pick a winner in this bracket. Overall, I

1353
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 3: think Chris Wade ends up winning the million dollars. Ryoji

1354
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 3: Kudo is interesting though, because that guy's got some pretty

1355
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 3: sick power, like we saw that in his last fight,

1356
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 3: and he's kind of come out of nowhere. He's the

1357
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 3: dark horse of this tournament in my opinion, because I

1358
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:23,479
Speaker 3: think that guy can sling.

1359
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 1: All right there. It is PFL nine this Saturday. I

1360
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be the afternoon. I mean, look, that

1361
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 1: just adds to the craziness of this weekend. We had

1362
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 1: Usik Joshua in the afternoon, we got PFL somewhere in London.

1363
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 1: They're doing Bare Knuckle with Mike Perry. We got boxing

1364
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 1: at night. We got UFC. What a time, Abe, What

1365
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: a time.

1366
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 3: Right What a time to be alive? Right now? Combat

1367
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 3: Sports is just on fuego.

1368
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you could have put some of this stuff

1369
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: next weekend, but that's just me talking about what a

1370
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:51,919
Speaker 1: time to be alive? AB. We hope that the five

1371
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Speaker 1: people that watch this show believe in you the same

1372
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 1: way they've believed in us. When we're talking about the

1373
01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 1: World MMA Awards, reminder that AB is up for Best

1374
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Speaker 1: MMA Journalist. Your favorite show's hosts favorite show Morning Combat

1375
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 1: also up for Best MMA Programming. You can vote for

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Speaker 1: both by going to the QR code below or World

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Speaker 1: MMA Awards dot com slash nominees Aaron Bronstetter. Where can

1378
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 1: people find you if they want to connect with you

1379
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 1: in a much more intimate.

1380
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 3: Way At Aaron Bronstetter on Twitter is where most of

1381
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:28,919
Speaker 3: my content ends up, so you know, please feel free

1382
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 3: to follow me there, And if you want to go

1383
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 3: and see where all of my platforms, you can go

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01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 3: to www dot Aaron dot Report and you can find

1385
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 3: all of my work in one spot.

1386
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 1: You weren't turned off by my suggestion that the listeners

1387
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 1: could get a little bit more intimate with you if

1388
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 1: they wanted to.

1389
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 3: Well, I haven't launched that website just yet, but you know.

1390
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 1: Say it's called Onlypipes dot com. It's going to be

1391
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 1: a massive Adien fans. Yeah, there it is right there,

1392
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 1: Aaron of TSN, a man of the people. We love

1393
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 1: you in these parts. Thank you for sliding in today, sir.

1394
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 3: Yes, sir, my pleasure. Anytime you need me. I'm only

1395
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:06,479
Speaker 3: a direct message or text away.

1396
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, am I allowed to text you under US

1397
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 1: Canadian texting laws?

1398
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 3: Yeah? You know it's I message. So the SMS fees

1399
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 3: are no longer an issue. You have an iPhone?

1400
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1401
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, Team Blue.

1402
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 1: Okay, we should be hanging out on that level now.

1403
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 1: No stick picks though, but there you go. Aaron Bronstead

1404
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 1: as thank you. Topics four and five this week are

1405
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 1: gonna dip heavy into the box. So you know, I

1406
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 1: had to go to the bullpen and call in one

1407
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 1: of the most educated, brilliant and frankly crustiest boxing minds.

1408
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 1: I know my former co host in many podcast iterations

1409
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 1: many times from you Know the Ropes on grant Land,

1410
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 1: through our snapchat bonanza, through In This Corner and Stay

1411
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 1: of Combat on CBS Sports. He's my brethren in the box.

1412
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 1: I don't even know if he still even likes boxing,

1413
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 1: but I am interested in talking to him just the same.

1414
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 1: We got a big fight this weekend. He's a day

1415
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: one ish Usik fan. Can I bring in from Detroit

1416
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 1: with love? The New York Times best selling author. He's

1417
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 1: not a ginger, although he may play one on TV.

1418
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 1: It's Raith Bartholomew. Do I have him here on the

1419
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 1: Magic of Zoom?

1420
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 4: Yes, I feel I am here.

1421
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 2: It's great to see you, brother. It is great to

1422
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 2: see you, my brother.

1423
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 1: I don't hear him you does anybody else hear him?

1424
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 1: We are We're having issues, all right. I mean I

1425
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 1: can I can delay this a little and talk about

1426
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 1: you know, athletic greens if oh.

1427
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 2: Maybe we're off to that great start. You know how?

1428
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 1: I am here? Yeah, I don't hear you anymore. This

1429
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 1: is this is on brand.

1430
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 4: This is when I'm doing this. I've been on mutant Brian.

1431
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, you remuted for a hot second.

1432
01:04:59,320 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 4: On the counter.

1433
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 2: It wasn't me, Brian.

1434
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 1: I saw the apple pie with a hole in the middle.

1435
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 1: It's interesting, bugs, you know, I love you? Do you

1436
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 1: still love this game? That's what our old podcast people

1437
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 1: want to.

1438
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 4: Know Brian, of course I still love this game. It's

1439
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 4: impossible to be I don't know quite at the level

1440
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 4: of hardcore. My hardcore court card isn't as shiny maybe

1441
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 4: as it once was. But there's nothing like boxing. And

1442
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 4: besides that, we got oosick this weekend. You know that

1443
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 4: I have been deep on that bandwagon for a long

1444
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 4: time and I'm excited about this fight.

1445
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 1: We've also got Lippin yet, so you know he's one

1446
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 1: of my guys right there as well. Big week for

1447
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 1: the Kazaks. Just the same. We'll get into that you've

1448
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 1: hurt yourself. Yeah, you're right. I mean, you know Tyson

1449
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 1: Pierry said before the second while to play that you

1450
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 1: know you masturbate seven times a day.

1451
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 4: Okay, this is this is what happens when you go

1452
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 4: for a new record, when you go for eight. This

1453
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 4: is what happened, ough, Brian. They call it a boxers fracture.

1454
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 4: And then when you go into the hand surge and

1455
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 4: they say, but real boxers never get it because they

1456
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 4: know how to punch, right, So don't punch doors, don't

1457
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 4: get into fights with FedEx people on the phone, don't

1458
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 4: be like me.

1459
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:11,439
Speaker 1: Wow wow, Okay, just the same there. I hope you're

1460
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 1: recovering Detroit. Do you still work for Texas Monthly?

1461
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am.

1462
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 4: I'm editing sports as well as narrative features for Texas

1463
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:21,920
Speaker 4: Monthly Magazine. Working on a narrative podcast too, about the

1464
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 4: Texas Rangers, the law enforcement outfit, not the.

1465
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:29,440
Speaker 1: Wan Gonzala's two time MVP.

1466
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Chris Wood wordy, It'll be all right.

1467
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 1: I've been there, bro, Raf, you're you know. I mean,

1468
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 1: I've got a lot of I'm in a few marriages,

1469
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 1: my lovely wife Jennifer Luke Thomas, you know. But you

1470
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 1: know you're one of my favorite people in this world.

1471
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 1: Can I introduce you to another partner of mine?

1472
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 2: I would love for you to do that.

1473
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 4: You know.

1474
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:51,919
Speaker 2: It's all love here. We're all the fans.

1475
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 1: It's the green Miracle drink right here. It's called Athletic Greens,

1476
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 1: and Raf, you've known me a long time. I don't

1477
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 1: eat clean.

1478
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 4: You eat very dirty, disgustingly dirty.

1479
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 1: I'm trying to make a change because it's up to

1480
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:09,760
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Speaker 1: Look, the big fight this weekend goes down late afternoon

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Speaker 1: on the East Coast on Saturday. But it's gonna be

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01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 1: over in Jedda. It's like the Red River shootouts. What

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Speaker 1: are they calling it?

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Speaker 2: Ray?

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Speaker 1: What are they calling this fight?

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Speaker 4: I mean I always go back to the road to

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Speaker 4: Jedi Web. To me, it's just Usik, Joshua too, Joshua

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Speaker 4: Husik too?

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Speaker 1: Why is there he go? Now there's some theme name?

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Speaker 1: Who cares about it? All that matters is inside that ring.

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Speaker 1: When Alexander Usik, the former undisputed cruiseweight champion, makes the

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Speaker 1: first defense or looks too of his three heavyweight world

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Speaker 1: titles that he won in twenty twenty one on the

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Speaker 1: road in the backyard Tottenham Hotspurs Stadium there against Anthony

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Speaker 1: Joshua Ajay Rafe. The beauty of you and I doing

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Speaker 1: this podcast today is it was more you than me.

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Speaker 1: But I certainly came around. You're looking. If people are watching,

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Speaker 1: they're looking at a day one ish Alexander Usik fan

1571
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Speaker 1: and you and I got so high on this man

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Speaker 1: that I once walked up to Eddie Hearn You remember

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01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:19,280
Speaker 1: that in New York City. I told you about it

1574
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Speaker 1: and I said, Eddie, I love you, but Usik's coming

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Speaker 1: and he's gonna beat your boy. Ajay Well, Rafe, it

1576
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Speaker 1: happened first. How surprised were you twenty twenty one when

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Speaker 1: this actually all went down.

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Speaker 4: No, Brian, I wouldn't say that I was surprised, But

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Speaker 4: I also wasn't someone who was like so high on

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Speaker 4: the USIK hype train, especially at heavyweight, because that was

1581
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 4: a big leap. We had seen him look incredible at

1582
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Speaker 4: cruiserweight and unify all the belts and just you know,

1583
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 4: win incredible, like putting great performances against maroak Gasiev in

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Speaker 4: the world box and supersists all that, but then fighting

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Speaker 4: up that high in weight against such a larger man

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Speaker 4: who in AJ. You know, he is I think unfairly rated,

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Speaker 4: especially here in the States. The Andy Rueze performance, that

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Speaker 4: first loss, and just his AJ's attitude a little or

1589
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:13,719
Speaker 4: his he comes off as a little too happy, go lucky.

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Speaker 4: He's got that Golden boy. And I mean that as

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Speaker 4: a as an you know, as an intentional Oscar de

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Speaker 4: la Hoya reference. He's when he loses the same way

1593
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Speaker 4: after Oscar lost to Trinidad, it's like, oh, you know,

1594
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Speaker 4: great for him. I'm so I'm just happy to be here,

1595
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 4: and people fans don't like seeing that, especially here in

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Speaker 4: the States. But still I thought it was a dangerous

1597
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Speaker 4: fight for Uzak. As much as I believed in him,

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Speaker 4: I didn't know if he could pull that off. And

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Speaker 4: watching it that it was just it felt like everything

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Speaker 4: was coming together. The the you know, the the fighter

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Speaker 4: that we believed Usik could be as a heavyweight. He

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Speaker 4: actually executed it.

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Speaker 2: And you know, no.

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Speaker 4: Matter how talented a fighter is, it doesn't always work

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Speaker 4: out that way.

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Speaker 1: No, absolutely, I mean this was a brilliant performance where

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Speaker 1: I think to your point, like you mentioned, everything came together,

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Speaker 1: and the everything also includes not getting screwed on the cards, right,

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01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:06,720
Speaker 1: the everything also includes and Louke Thomas and I rewatched

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1612
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Speaker 1: the moment reflections looking back. But I think you look

1613
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Speaker 1: back on this the problem in my eyes for Aja

1614
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:19,080
Speaker 1: was that he came in thinking he can out box

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Speaker 1: the smaller man, and he didn't necessarily make the right

1616
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 1: adjustments or playing into the role as the bigger man,

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Speaker 1: the bigger, stronger, you know, leaning doing some of that

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Speaker 1: Vlad klutch Goo versus Povetkin type of stuff. We didn't

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Speaker 1: see any of that out of him. That it did

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Speaker 1: sort of make for a perfect storm that if Usa

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Speaker 1: could come in dazzle on the way he did not

1622
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Speaker 1: get stopped because the one thing we said about him,

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Speaker 1: we know he doesn't have top end heavyweight power, but

1624
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Speaker 1: does he have a top end heavyweight chin to get

1625
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Speaker 1: to this point? Well, look, his heavyweight debut was kind

1626
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Speaker 1: of you know, late replacement was a snoozer. Then he

1627
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Speaker 1: fights sterret Chusaora where there's a lot of good, but

1628
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 1: he also had a deal with a physical, real heavyweight

1629
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Speaker 1: in del Boy and dell with it. I don't think

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Speaker 1: he ended in the end, thought what would have been

1631
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Speaker 1: the best showing of Aj for different reasons. It created

1632
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:10,840
Speaker 1: a perfect storm. It was a brilliant performance. But would

1633
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Speaker 1: you agree with me that you exited that first fight

1634
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:16,479
Speaker 1: going man, shout out to Usik because damn was he

1635
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 1: brilliant because he had to established early that he could

1636
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Speaker 1: hurt AJ, and I think he did establish that. But

1637
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 1: I never saw Aj, just like in the Andrew Ruiz rematch,

1638
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Speaker 1: go into that gear that said, no matter what, I'm

1639
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:30,559
Speaker 1: biting down, digging in and winning this fight. Is that

1640
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:32,840
Speaker 1: an accurate portrayal from your eyes of the first fight.

1641
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Speaker 4: Yeah, look, absolutely Brian especially. I mean you mentioned it

1642
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Speaker 4: that first round, Usik the southpaw comes out and landed

1643
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:43,160
Speaker 4: what three really right on the button, straight lefts that

1644
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:47,559
Speaker 4: that made the fight play out, especially over those first

1645
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:50,240
Speaker 4: four rounds that Usik really really dominated. I think he

1646
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 4: swept them. I don't think that's a controversial opinion. And

1647
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:56,559
Speaker 4: I think that it you know it, it said that

1648
01:14:56,640 --> 01:14:59,759
Speaker 4: he was going to dictate, and he really did control

1649
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:03,280
Speaker 4: the action in terms of you know, ring generalship. The

1650
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:06,599
Speaker 4: best punches landed through most of the fight, especially that

1651
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:09,800
Speaker 4: first half. Uh And and that is where I think

1652
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:13,120
Speaker 4: AJ probably made a mistake. Now we could all we

1653
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 4: maybe he had it. Maybe AJ intended on coming out

1654
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:18,880
Speaker 4: and being the boss that night last year and it

1655
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:21,600
Speaker 4: just didn't work out that way. So we but but

1656
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 4: it didn't play out that way in the ring. So

1657
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 4: Usick either took it for him from him or AJ

1658
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:29,880
Speaker 4: made that mistake. And I think what we've seen the

1659
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:34,040
Speaker 4: people who've had some success against Usik has come early.

1660
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 4: They haven't let Usick establish his rhythm right away. That

1661
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 4: was who Tony Bell. You Bell, you did it by

1662
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 4: being more kg, counterpunching, fighting off the ropes. AJ can't

1663
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 4: do that. That's not AJ would. AJ would be insane

1664
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:49,320
Speaker 4: to do that. That's not gonna be this. Chazora showed

1665
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:52,720
Speaker 4: something that maybe AJ can implement in a more athletic,

1666
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 4: less sort of wild man Chazora fashion, where he used

1667
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 4: his bulk and his strength and bum rushed Usik.

1668
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:01,040
Speaker 2: And really, although I don't think Usick was in.

1669
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 4: The kind of trouble that, like if you listen to

1670
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:05,560
Speaker 4: the British broadcast of those fights, are like they're like,

1671
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:08,439
Speaker 4: might put us off, all right.

1672
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:13,520
Speaker 2: Mate, chill, but you know he was. He didn't let Usik.

1673
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 1: They full of cortizon and get out with him.

1674
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:17,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, he didn't let us get his get his rhythm

1675
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 4: going Usick. It took a little longer for Usik to

1676
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:23,520
Speaker 4: sort of weather that storm. Wait out Tazura, let Tizora,

1677
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:26,920
Speaker 4: you know, shoot a little bit of his his his load,

1678
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 4: watch and then.

1679
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:31,679
Speaker 2: We know what we're dealing with here, Brian.

1680
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:35,439
Speaker 4: Don't we No? And look, I think AJ will. I

1681
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:37,479
Speaker 4: think it's likely that AJ will try and do that.

1682
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:39,519
Speaker 4: He'll try and be more aggressive. He won't give away

1683
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:43,479
Speaker 4: those early rounds or he won't want to. But can

1684
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:46,519
Speaker 4: he can he do can he take them? Can he

1685
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 4: can he be more aggressive and successful in that early

1686
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 4: in the fight, and if he does, AJ has stamina problems.

1687
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:56,280
Speaker 4: Is that gonna be Is that gonna come back to

1688
01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:57,719
Speaker 4: bite him later in the fight?

1689
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 1: AJ doesn't have the It's you started off saying an

1690
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:03,320
Speaker 1: interesting statement of like, you know, maybe the American fans

1691
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 1: won't fully give AJ his due, And I think that's right.

1692
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 1: We are we naturally skeptical to begin with of that

1693
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:12,479
Speaker 1: big UK star always right, come to Vegas and prove it.

1694
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:15,720
Speaker 1: But also, look, he's he he learned on the job, right.

1695
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:18,639
Speaker 1: He came into that title opportunity against Prince Sir Charles

1696
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 1: Martin early, then suddenly he's the champion, learning on the job.

1697
01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:24,840
Speaker 1: The fact that every single win had sort of these

1698
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 1: pockets of vulnerability, going back to the first Dillian White fight,

1699
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:30,920
Speaker 1: even the first couple rounds against Carlos stackem of all people,

1700
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 1: he's you know, he got rocked. He is gonna be

1701
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:37,720
Speaker 1: who he is, He's gonna be vulnerable. But not a

1702
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:40,439
Speaker 1: direct comparison to Lennox Lewis. But what did Lennox Lewis

1703
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:41,600
Speaker 1: do that at the end of the day made it

1704
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 1: hard to play that same American stereotype against He got

1705
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:48,759
Speaker 1: up off the canvas after being stopped by two guys

1706
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 1: in title fights and came back and knocked them both out. Now,

1707
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:54,120
Speaker 1: Aj didn't do that in the Ruiz rematch. He safely

1708
01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:56,679
Speaker 1: boxed him from distance, and maybe that's part of why

1709
01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 1: he still carries a certain level of criticism, whereas, like

1710
01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:01,439
Speaker 1: we all know, Fury's better if he could just get

1711
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 1: in the ring with him. Maybe all that's true, but

1712
01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:07,639
Speaker 1: Aj still has really tried to round out his game

1713
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:10,320
Speaker 1: and become a good boxer. He gets up off the

1714
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:12,680
Speaker 1: canvas like he did against Vladimir and kept coming back

1715
01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:14,840
Speaker 1: and found a way to win. I think when he

1716
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:16,600
Speaker 1: looks back at this fight, all the things that we

1717
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:19,839
Speaker 1: said are true about what he didn't do, or couldn't

1718
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:21,519
Speaker 1: do or should have done. And we'll get into the

1719
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 1: change now in trainer that has become a dominant theme

1720
01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:28,040
Speaker 1: in this rematch. But one thing we cannot overlook Rafe

1721
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 1: is that Usik and I harped on this when we

1722
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 1: did the rewatch of the fight with Luke. He had

1723
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:36,840
Speaker 1: to take some bombs of his own, especially in those

1724
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:40,000
Speaker 1: middle rounds when Aj came on, in order to stand

1725
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:41,880
Speaker 1: in there and win this fight the way he did

1726
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:44,759
Speaker 1: and Usick did he not in the post fight interview

1727
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:47,000
Speaker 1: after the win, say, you may have not noticed it,

1728
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:48,920
Speaker 1: but I got hurt, like you know, had a There's

1729
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:51,559
Speaker 1: a couple of those counter shots, especially that straight right

1730
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 1: hand when Aj figured it out in the middle of

1731
01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:56,719
Speaker 1: this fight, where Husik had to bite down to get there.

1732
01:18:56,960 --> 01:19:00,759
Speaker 1: Maybe he's a better poker player than people realized in theory.

1733
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,120
Speaker 1: As we head into this rematch, if we get a

1734
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:06,680
Speaker 1: more offensive and dangerous and confident Aj, who at the

1735
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:08,960
Speaker 1: very least is saying I can out box him, I

1736
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:12,280
Speaker 1: now know that I'll not be able to outfight him.

1737
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:16,000
Speaker 1: This fight could be an entirely different story, and I

1738
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:18,639
Speaker 1: think that's what fuels the intrigue the second time around.

1739
01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:21,760
Speaker 4: No, absolutely, I mean, and you saw in the middle

1740
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:24,559
Speaker 4: left fight rounds five and six when Aj found a

1741
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:27,439
Speaker 4: home for that right hand. Those were serious punches. And

1742
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 4: forget what Usik says after the fight. Yes, he admitted

1743
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:33,720
Speaker 4: it himself, but it's not just that Brian. Look at

1744
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 4: him in that fight. I mean he was cut above

1745
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:38,160
Speaker 4: the eye. I think that one was not from a punch,

1746
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:41,519
Speaker 4: but still he was roughed up too, and that's just

1747
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 4: what's going to happen, fighting twelve rounds with and giving

1748
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:48,200
Speaker 4: up the amount of size that he was to just

1749
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 4: a much naturally bigger heavyweight in Anthony Joshua who can

1750
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 4: punch and when he lets his hands.

1751
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:55,839
Speaker 2: Go, has a lot of power.

1752
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:58,240
Speaker 4: All right, he didn't always look good, but he has

1753
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:01,160
Speaker 4: to let his hands go in this remas, even if

1754
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:04,880
Speaker 4: that means risking gassing himself out, putting him in a

1755
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 4: position where he has to, you know, survive a couple rounds,

1756
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 4: tread water, figure out some way to get through and

1757
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 4: catch a second wind. Because if he doesn't take that risk,

1758
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 4: I don't know if he's going to be able to

1759
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 4: do something else that that throws Usik off. That gives

1760
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 4: Usik a reason to just go out and fight his fight.

1761
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, no question about it. Now. Look, this rematch will

1762
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:31,160
Speaker 1: take place Saturday afternoon on regular his own not on

1763
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:32,800
Speaker 1: his own pay per view, and it was a last

1764
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:36,080
Speaker 1: minute sort of contract securing. You saw some reports that

1765
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:38,519
Speaker 1: ESPN tried to make a bid to get this fight.

1766
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:41,559
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a big site fee. If we remember,

1767
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 1: aj went to Saudi Arabia for the Ruiz rematch and

1768
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:46,040
Speaker 1: didn't he make like eighty million just to show up.

1769
01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 1: It was almost like Floyd Mayweather Pacquiao. Here's with the

1770
01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:52,320
Speaker 1: one hundred million dollar check just to step into the ring.

1771
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:54,920
Speaker 1: Not bad work if you can get it. Now. Look,

1772
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:57,240
Speaker 1: the Robert Garcia thing is going to be big. Rob

1773
01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:00,479
Speaker 1: McCracken out, the old AJ team out. He made a

1774
01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 1: big change here. This could change a lot. But even

1775
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:07,400
Speaker 1: before I get into that, some fight week comments spillowing in,

1776
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:12,439
Speaker 1: AJ says it was ultimately the south paw nature of

1777
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:15,519
Speaker 1: Ustik that gave him trouble. That if Usik was a righty,

1778
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:20,360
Speaker 1: he would have knocked him out. You buy that? Does

1779
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:23,400
Speaker 1: that make sense? AJ says, I've always had issues with

1780
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:26,040
Speaker 1: lefties and it really just came out in this fight.

1781
01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:28,960
Speaker 2: Brian, I don't buy that.

1782
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:32,080
Speaker 4: BC, like it's this is this is the thing with AJ,

1783
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:34,160
Speaker 4: and I think this goes back to this is another

1784
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:38,679
Speaker 4: sort of quiet reason why fans here have a hard

1785
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 4: time and just a lot of fans have a hard

1786
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:45,360
Speaker 4: time really believing in AJ because he for all of

1787
01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:49,000
Speaker 4: his attributes for awfer, his size, his you know, his power,

1788
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:53,559
Speaker 4: the just clear natural athlete that he is, the fact

1789
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:55,520
Speaker 4: that he is a good guy who seems.

1790
01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:56,559
Speaker 2: To want to learn all of that.

1791
01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 4: He has a little bit of that, and the long

1792
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:01,479
Speaker 4: time boxing fans will know what I mean. He has

1793
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:03,640
Speaker 4: a little bit of I hate to say, he has

1794
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:06,000
Speaker 4: a little bit of Victor Ortiz in him, right, the

1795
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:10,559
Speaker 4: wealthweight one time champion, not all the way right, I mean,

1796
01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:13,920
Speaker 4: but the way you could put the microphone in front

1797
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 4: of Victor Ortiz and have no clue what universe the

1798
01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 4: words that were about to come out of his mouth

1799
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:24,800
Speaker 4: were emerging from it, and what sort of thin like

1800
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:27,400
Speaker 4: sense of reality he was pulling it from. And and

1801
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:29,600
Speaker 4: AJ has that where he will just say something that

1802
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 4: sounds so clueless and crazy, like, oh, it's oh, it's

1803
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 4: because he was a southpaw. You think that was the

1804
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:38,960
Speaker 4: how many I hope he's watched that fight more than

1805
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:42,439
Speaker 4: like the three four five times most fans or we have,

1806
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:44,680
Speaker 4: because I think you could watch that and be like,

1807
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:47,000
Speaker 4: it isn't just because this man is left handed, that

1808
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:50,040
Speaker 4: he you know, was his movement gave you trouble, That

1809
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 4: his face gave you trouble, that he outthought you, that

1810
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:54,640
Speaker 4: he that he came in and sort of took the

1811
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:57,320
Speaker 4: fight from you early on, that he did he just

1812
01:22:57,479 --> 01:23:00,920
Speaker 4: that he has that his motor base wore you down,

1813
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:03,880
Speaker 4: even after Aja really stood up a little bit and

1814
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:05,400
Speaker 4: made some you know, I had a little bit of

1815
01:23:05,439 --> 01:23:07,400
Speaker 4: a comeback first in the fifth and sixth when he

1816
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:10,400
Speaker 4: was landing the right you know to upstairs, and then

1817
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:12,920
Speaker 4: later nine and ten had some some body shots that

1818
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:15,640
Speaker 4: looked like they also got to Uzick a little bit.

1819
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 4: But eventually Usik had more in the gas tank to

1820
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 4: close that straight fight strong and have Aj really looking

1821
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:25,800
Speaker 4: almost out on his feet in the twelfth. You know,

1822
01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:27,639
Speaker 4: if you think it's just because of the left hand,

1823
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:30,200
Speaker 4: you're you are, you know, you need to get a

1824
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:32,519
Speaker 4: vo head check, put some faceboob on that thing.

1825
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:34,720
Speaker 1: Well that's a perfect transition here. What you mentioned the

1826
01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:36,600
Speaker 1: body shots. When I rewatched it with Luke Thomas, he

1827
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:39,960
Speaker 1: kept saying not enough body shots. He was right. There

1828
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:42,240
Speaker 1: were little moments when he had success there and you're like,

1829
01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:45,400
Speaker 1: that's how you slowed down in USK. Since joining forces

1830
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:48,920
Speaker 1: with Robert Garcia, the great Mexican American Southern California trainer,

1831
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:53,439
Speaker 1: who is if he has one great skill along with

1832
01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:55,879
Speaker 1: being an offensive style of coach, I think it's taking

1833
01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:58,799
Speaker 1: someone who's talented but a little raw. I think Marcos

1834
01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:02,760
Speaker 1: Madonna heading into those Lloyd fights and just carve you

1835
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:05,639
Speaker 1: know almost what Trevor Whitman's doing on the MMA side,

1836
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:09,120
Speaker 1: and you may not be as dived into the.

1837
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:10,360
Speaker 2: Skin we're talking about here.

1838
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:15,519
Speaker 1: I like it though, Yeah, but going to the body

1839
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:18,800
Speaker 1: with a Robert Garcia as your trainer sounds like a

1840
01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 1: great idea. Did you see the promotional videos or whatever

1841
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:24,559
Speaker 1: that are coming on social media of Robert holding the

1842
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:29,120
Speaker 1: bags and AJ just digging for gold. It's like, you know,

1843
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:34,800
Speaker 1: Emmanuel Stewart, What's tell a body son? This could change everything.

1844
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:37,280
Speaker 1: If you are getting an aggressive AJ who's looking to

1845
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:40,439
Speaker 1: set the pace and tone and is willing to get

1846
01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:44,799
Speaker 1: not dirty, but grimy. It's got to fuel your advice

1847
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:47,200
Speaker 1: that really this second fight could be completely different your

1848
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:50,200
Speaker 1: perception of what it could be.

1849
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:52,160
Speaker 2: It could be Brian.

1850
01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:54,760
Speaker 4: But if you look back at that first fight, how

1851
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:57,680
Speaker 4: come why do we think that AJ managed to have

1852
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:00,439
Speaker 4: a little bit more success to the body later in

1853
01:25:00,479 --> 01:25:02,880
Speaker 4: the fight. I don't think it's because he had no

1854
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:05,240
Speaker 4: idea that he might want to try and attack the

1855
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:08,919
Speaker 4: body of a much like faster footed opponent.

1856
01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:09,879
Speaker 2: I think it's.

1857
01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:12,760
Speaker 4: Because Usik was just way too fast and was in

1858
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:15,719
Speaker 4: and out before AJ could really do much to him.

1859
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:19,560
Speaker 4: In that regard, I don't know if that's really gonna change.

1860
01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:19,800
Speaker 2: In that fight.

1861
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:23,000
Speaker 4: In this fight he I think that AJ should try

1862
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:25,920
Speaker 4: if he you know, if he like that should be

1863
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:28,479
Speaker 4: on his checklist. But that's that's a tall order to

1864
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:31,799
Speaker 4: ask against one of I mean, one of the best

1865
01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:37,320
Speaker 4: movers at heavyweight we've seen in this era and just

1866
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:40,559
Speaker 4: has USI's got quite just a beautiful set of wheels

1867
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:44,519
Speaker 4: on him. I mean what you know, just he's got

1868
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:45,960
Speaker 4: legs and he knows how to use them.

1869
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:48,559
Speaker 1: Brian, Yeah, he's good. You know, he doesn't have Pacchio

1870
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:51,439
Speaker 1: sized calves. But as Triple G one said, I like

1871
01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:56,120
Speaker 1: beautiful guys and he's his style, certainly one of them.

1872
01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:59,280
Speaker 1: This is look steaks couldn't be higher. Three of the

1873
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:01,880
Speaker 1: four belts, and theory the winners can advance on to

1874
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:04,880
Speaker 1: face Tyson Fury, and theory we'll find out. You know,

1875
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 1: we want undisputed champion, one face, one name, all that stuff.

1876
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:11,599
Speaker 1: For AJ, it's another chance at redemption and it would

1877
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:13,400
Speaker 1: be a big one here, especially if he can make

1878
01:26:13,439 --> 01:26:15,920
Speaker 1: it a different fight. Is there any part of you

1879
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:21,040
Speaker 1: that looks at Usik and says, okay, AJ didn't. In

1880
01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:24,639
Speaker 1: all reality, Aj did not have enough success or enough

1881
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:27,680
Speaker 1: sustained success in the first fight to really have a

1882
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:30,759
Speaker 1: chance at one of those robbery scorecards, or if not robbery,

1883
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:33,759
Speaker 1: one of those man did they give him the benefit

1884
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:35,479
Speaker 1: of the doubt in every round? I mean, look, coming

1885
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:39,080
Speaker 1: into that, some of the predictions I picdicted Usik would win,

1886
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:41,599
Speaker 1: but some of the predictions you're like, your eyes will

1887
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:44,559
Speaker 1: tell you Usik will won, but typical boxing, AJ will

1888
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:47,160
Speaker 1: get a majority of decision win. I have to believe

1889
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:49,280
Speaker 1: things will be closer in the rematch. I think AJ

1890
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:51,880
Speaker 1: will fight better. I think the Robert Garcia relationship is

1891
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:54,880
Speaker 1: a smart one. Is there any part of you that

1892
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:58,160
Speaker 1: would advise team Usik to come in here not looking

1893
01:26:58,200 --> 01:27:01,000
Speaker 1: to get twelve rounds in a second one, but to

1894
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:03,320
Speaker 1: come in here and find out whether that chin of

1895
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:05,799
Speaker 1: Aj will be up to the level of the balls

1896
01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:09,160
Speaker 1: that he'll need to win this, because you wouldn't outright

1897
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:14,839
Speaker 1: call Aj chinny, but he's vulnerable and nobody hits more direct,

1898
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:17,719
Speaker 1: as we saw early in that fight, than than than Usik.

1899
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:20,080
Speaker 1: Whether it's a straight left, whether it's the looping variety

1900
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:23,080
Speaker 1: that he took bell you out with. What if Lusik

1901
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:25,080
Speaker 1: just says, I gotta go out there and get it,

1902
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:25,960
Speaker 1: is that in play?

1903
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:28,000
Speaker 2: I don't.

1904
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:31,760
Speaker 4: I don't see Usik going out there with that exact mindset,

1905
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:35,120
Speaker 4: but I think that he he won't be afraid to

1906
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:38,720
Speaker 4: try and seize an advantage if he really sees that

1907
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:42,360
Speaker 4: Aj is hurt and I think that you're I mean, look,

1908
01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 4: I might call Aj chinny. He's about as close to

1909
01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:48,519
Speaker 4: chinny as you can get without being out and out like,

1910
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:51,840
Speaker 4: I don't know about that guy's chin He does not,

1911
01:27:52,240 --> 01:27:55,759
Speaker 4: And even when he isn't hurt by by a shot,

1912
01:27:56,040 --> 01:27:59,799
Speaker 4: it seems like he is discouraged every time he gets punched.

1913
01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:03,280
Speaker 4: And it's boxing, right, it's boxing at the highest level.

1914
01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:07,240
Speaker 4: You're fighting an Olympic world champion, a guy who is undefeated,

1915
01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:10,640
Speaker 4: who is who is unified at cruiserweight, who already beat you.

1916
01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 4: He's gonna touch you, all right, So AJ kind of

1917
01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:16,080
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's more mental with him or

1918
01:28:16,120 --> 01:28:18,120
Speaker 4: he's just or if it's mental in the terms of

1919
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:20,640
Speaker 4: he gets discouraged when he's not having success, when he

1920
01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:22,840
Speaker 4: feels a guy starting to hit him, or if he's

1921
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:26,120
Speaker 4: worried about the chin because of the Andy Ruiz fight

1922
01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:28,320
Speaker 4: and some of the other times we've seen him rocked

1923
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:31,720
Speaker 4: and shaken by a shot here and there, whatever it is.

1924
01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:35,880
Speaker 4: He doesn't reac respond well when he gets hit, and

1925
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:39,479
Speaker 4: you could see, like Aj, no matter how all the

1926
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:41,920
Speaker 4: things that he brings into the fight, there's this as

1927
01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 4: a fan, there's a sense that watching him, he's going

1928
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:48,200
Speaker 4: to like over the course of twelve rounds, he can

1929
01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:51,360
Speaker 4: find a way to like the let the wheels come

1930
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:54,080
Speaker 4: off almost no, you know, like like by hook or

1931
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:56,559
Speaker 4: by crook, which is it's unfortunate because he's a very

1932
01:28:56,720 --> 01:29:01,720
Speaker 4: very good fighter. I think that oos I could see

1933
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:04,960
Speaker 4: him getting that stoppage you're talking about BC if AJ

1934
01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:08,040
Speaker 4: really really steps on the gas early, which might be

1935
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:10,599
Speaker 4: something he has to do to win. But the risk

1936
01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:13,680
Speaker 4: of that, you know, along with the questions about AJ's chin,

1937
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:16,720
Speaker 4: whether he's chinny or just a little bit chinny, his

1938
01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:20,519
Speaker 4: stamina right, We've always seen Aj get tired at points

1939
01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:22,720
Speaker 4: in a fight, and when he gets tired, he then

1940
01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:25,439
Speaker 4: he really looks chinny. And that is when I could

1941
01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:28,839
Speaker 4: see you know, Usik not rocking him with one giant

1942
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:32,160
Speaker 4: shot that ends a fight, but you know, dragging him

1943
01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:35,320
Speaker 4: into deep waters and tiring him out where, you know,

1944
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:38,080
Speaker 4: and drowning him there and getting this getting a tkos

1945
01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:40,599
Speaker 4: topics like that in rounds you know, eight to ten.

1946
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:44,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. And AJ's gonna have to lean

1947
01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:46,360
Speaker 1: all over him to try to slow him down. That's

1948
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:48,439
Speaker 1: gotta be you gotta if you're the bigger man, be

1949
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:51,080
Speaker 1: the damn bigger man. Okay, don't you know? It'll be

1950
01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:53,720
Speaker 1: fighting like the Figaroas. Although it's exciting to watch, by

1951
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:55,599
Speaker 1: the way, but they give away that height they get

1952
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:58,680
Speaker 1: inside lean on that fellow. It's interesting, right if you're

1953
01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:02,479
Speaker 1: just saying, is not chiney, but he lives close enough

1954
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:05,439
Speaker 1: to the chiny district that it spills over a little

1955
01:30:05,479 --> 01:30:07,400
Speaker 1: lot of times. Is this like you in Detroit, Like

1956
01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:10,800
Speaker 1: you're not in the like crazy area, but you're you know,

1957
01:30:10,840 --> 01:30:11,679
Speaker 1: you're close enough.

1958
01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:14,800
Speaker 4: I look, let's not call any area crazy. I live

1959
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:17,439
Speaker 4: on nine Mile Road, so I live a mile outside

1960
01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:18,320
Speaker 4: of Detroit. Proper.

1961
01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:21,080
Speaker 1: Wow, that's like mom Spaghetti area, right.

1962
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:23,840
Speaker 4: No, Well, there's actually now a restaurant here called mom

1963
01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:28,200
Speaker 4: Spaghetti that Eminem owns, and that is further downtown from

1964
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:31,640
Speaker 4: around eight mile. But yeah, this is I think M

1965
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:33,519
Speaker 4: and M Studio is pretty close to where I live.

1966
01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:37,000
Speaker 1: All Right, I take back, not crazy, I mean aggressive,

1967
01:30:37,080 --> 01:30:38,720
Speaker 1: I mean inner city, That's what I mean.

1968
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:42,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know it's a city. I mean they're obviously you.

1969
01:30:42,240 --> 01:30:44,519
Speaker 1: Grew up in New York City, Okay, but you're like

1970
01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:46,880
Speaker 1: from I mean, is it do people not give you

1971
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:48,880
Speaker 1: the street cred and respect when you're like, I grew

1972
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:49,680
Speaker 1: up in Manhattan.

1973
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:51,800
Speaker 4: I'm a food I don't care. I'm forty years old.

1974
01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:56,080
Speaker 4: I am you know, I injured myself punching doors. Luckily

1975
01:30:56,479 --> 01:30:59,120
Speaker 4: I am tall, and you know, grew up in the

1976
01:30:59,200 --> 01:31:01,600
Speaker 4: nineties where and New York was a little grittier and

1977
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:05,080
Speaker 4: you just didn't have to be quite as you know,

1978
01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:07,360
Speaker 4: you could. You just learn how to be quiet and

1979
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:08,080
Speaker 4: stay out the way.

1980
01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:12,200
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I'm trying to give Manhattan the respected deserves.

1981
01:31:12,240 --> 01:31:14,880
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not the Bronx, it's not Staten Island. Okay,

1982
01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:16,639
Speaker 1: against who? Against who?

1983
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:20,479
Speaker 4: What do you want me to do? I mean, Teddy,

1984
01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:23,760
Speaker 4: you know Staten Island. Hey, there's a lot of a

1985
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:26,679
Speaker 4: lot of you know, New York's finance out there.

1986
01:31:27,320 --> 01:31:29,080
Speaker 1: All right. I don't have a pick yet I am

1987
01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:31,680
Speaker 1: really teetering here. I've gone back and forth. I've had

1988
01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:34,000
Speaker 1: picks all over the place. I am interested in yours

1989
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:37,640
Speaker 1: our friends. At Caesar Sportsbook. Right now, Busik has a

1990
01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:41,439
Speaker 1: minus two ten favorite. I expected to see AJ in

1991
01:31:41,479 --> 01:31:45,400
Speaker 1: this spot, but instead Joshua a plus one seventy five

1992
01:31:45,720 --> 01:31:49,519
Speaker 1: underdog Raithe it's a Wednesday, But give the people what

1993
01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:52,240
Speaker 1: they want, give them that Friday prediction right now.

1994
01:31:52,840 --> 01:31:56,479
Speaker 4: Look, I think my pick to win the fight is

1995
01:31:56,680 --> 01:32:00,120
Speaker 4: Alexander Busik easily. Not easily, but clearly that is what

1996
01:32:00,200 --> 01:32:02,160
Speaker 4: I believe. I think that he has enough ways to

1997
01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:05,280
Speaker 4: win this fight. I think that even if AJ does

1998
01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:09,320
Speaker 4: come with a better strategy and executes it, Usik is

1999
01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:12,000
Speaker 4: a good enough fighter to adjust to that, figure out

2000
01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:14,599
Speaker 4: a way to weather the storm and maybe make AJ

2001
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:17,320
Speaker 4: pay for the aggression that he's going to that he

2002
01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:19,360
Speaker 4: might show in trying to sort of.

2003
01:32:19,400 --> 01:32:21,400
Speaker 2: Reverse his performance from the first fight.

2004
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:23,880
Speaker 4: So I would pick Husick to win if I'm a

2005
01:32:23,920 --> 01:32:27,160
Speaker 4: better I like the value on AJ because I think

2006
01:32:27,200 --> 01:32:29,600
Speaker 4: people are overlooking him. I think people are overlooking the

2007
01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:32,800
Speaker 4: success he had in the middle rounds, the fact that

2008
01:32:33,280 --> 01:32:36,240
Speaker 4: he like While I think I would have scored the

2009
01:32:36,240 --> 01:32:38,479
Speaker 4: fight about eight four. I mean, that's only a couple

2010
01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:42,040
Speaker 4: rounds away from a draw. And I think that if

2011
01:32:42,040 --> 01:32:43,920
Speaker 4: we want to put on our tim foil hats and

2012
01:32:43,960 --> 01:32:47,080
Speaker 4: start talking what the business wants, conspiracies, all that stuff,

2013
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:48,840
Speaker 4: and I'm always happy to go there.

2014
01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:49,920
Speaker 2: I do think there are.

2015
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:52,759
Speaker 4: Dark forces in the world of boxing, Brian, the man

2016
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:54,920
Speaker 4: in the black hat may exist.

2017
01:32:55,439 --> 01:32:57,600
Speaker 1: Would you connect it to the European banks and the

2018
01:32:57,640 --> 01:32:58,559
Speaker 1: Rothschild family.

2019
01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:02,840
Speaker 4: I don't, look you You tell me what's going on

2020
01:33:02,920 --> 01:33:05,200
Speaker 4: in the underneath the Denver Airport. I know, I know

2021
01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:05,959
Speaker 4: that's where.

2022
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:07,160
Speaker 2: You go with this to me.

2023
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:10,599
Speaker 1: One day I'll find out what's really going on under there.

2024
01:33:10,960 --> 01:33:14,960
Speaker 4: All I'm saying PC is that it's a that Aj

2025
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:18,280
Speaker 4: doesn't if he can make it a little tighter. I

2026
01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:20,280
Speaker 4: think the judges, you know, there's a good chance they

2027
01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:22,439
Speaker 4: could see this fight going in his favor. And we've

2028
01:33:22,439 --> 01:33:25,160
Speaker 4: seen that happen in rematches and trilogy you know. I mean,

2029
01:33:25,200 --> 01:33:28,240
Speaker 4: if we're projecting out a possible trilogy here, there's always

2030
01:33:28,280 --> 01:33:31,080
Speaker 4: that one middle fighter. Like, really, I didn't like like

2031
01:33:31,160 --> 01:33:33,320
Speaker 4: they gave it to him. I didn't think he deserved it,

2032
01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:36,120
Speaker 4: you know, Like, and he's the business is gonna want

2033
01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:38,920
Speaker 4: him to win that fight. He just has to do

2034
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:42,240
Speaker 4: a little bit better, and that is not a crazy

2035
01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:43,479
Speaker 4: thing to imagine happening.

2036
01:33:43,479 --> 01:33:44,759
Speaker 2: I think that Usik will.

2037
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:47,519
Speaker 4: I think Usik is better. I would predict for him

2038
01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:49,719
Speaker 4: to win the fight, predict for him to be ahead

2039
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:52,840
Speaker 4: on my scorecards. I don't know if he will get

2040
01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:54,679
Speaker 4: that nod because it's boxing.

2041
01:33:54,720 --> 01:33:55,679
Speaker 2: This happens all the time.

2042
01:33:55,880 --> 01:33:58,280
Speaker 4: You said that Usik was a clear enough winner in

2043
01:33:58,320 --> 01:34:01,839
Speaker 4: the first fight that no one really feared the robbery

2044
01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:03,760
Speaker 4: score I feared the robbery score card.

2045
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:05,840
Speaker 2: Are you kidding? I've seen worse robberies than that.

2046
01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:10,040
Speaker 4: Half of Omar Figueroa's biggest wins are robberies.

2047
01:34:10,080 --> 01:34:10,600
Speaker 2: Worse than that.

2048
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:15,120
Speaker 1: I mean, it's an effective robbery, is still robbery, it's

2049
01:34:15,120 --> 01:34:16,160
Speaker 1: stell robbery.

2050
01:34:16,240 --> 01:34:18,599
Speaker 4: You were there, You saw what happened to Tyson gave

2051
01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:21,240
Speaker 4: at the Night of Champions and temecule O'Bryant.

2052
01:34:21,320 --> 01:34:25,000
Speaker 1: You don't escon done did enough? Teddy can relax? Okay?

2053
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:29,400
Speaker 1: I mean, seriously, here Raf closing out Usak. Here you

2054
01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:32,360
Speaker 1: and I were daywani ish, but that's because he wasn't

2055
01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:35,040
Speaker 1: on American TV in his initial rise. I mean his

2056
01:34:35,400 --> 01:34:38,600
Speaker 1: w BSS World Boxing Super Series Tournament win is some

2057
01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:42,320
Speaker 1: of the best consecutive elite stretch of hard fights that

2058
01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:45,320
Speaker 1: we've ever seen. AJ Number one is probably gonna end

2059
01:34:45,360 --> 01:34:48,120
Speaker 1: up being at up to this point the fight for

2060
01:34:48,200 --> 01:34:52,439
Speaker 1: many reasons of Usik's run. But would you recommend any

2061
01:34:52,479 --> 01:34:55,240
Speaker 1: other performance for someone that didn't follow the rise to

2062
01:34:55,240 --> 01:34:57,920
Speaker 1: find out how great of a cruiserweight he really was?

2063
01:34:58,240 --> 01:35:00,920
Speaker 4: Oh? Man, I mean there's so much to choose from there.

2064
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:04,760
Speaker 4: I think that really the w BSS, uh, you know,

2065
01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:08,799
Speaker 4: three fight stretch at cruiserweight when he unified the titles

2066
01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:12,120
Speaker 4: is those are the most wild performances and the most challenging,

2067
01:35:12,200 --> 01:35:15,519
Speaker 4: closest fight of his career against you know, are the

2068
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:20,559
Speaker 4: the you know Latvian are lot Well your Baltic brother, right, Yeah,

2069
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:23,880
Speaker 4: I know you're Lithuanian, but it's right next door Maris Briatis.

2070
01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:26,880
Speaker 4: I mean that one I thought was when they were

2071
01:35:26,880 --> 01:35:28,599
Speaker 4: reading the cars is like, I have no clue who's

2072
01:35:28,600 --> 01:35:29,200
Speaker 4: gonna win this fight.

2073
01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:30,920
Speaker 1: It was decisions, super.

2074
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:33,960
Speaker 4: Close, and he beat him, and, like Usik has made

2075
01:35:33,960 --> 01:35:36,479
Speaker 4: a habit of doing throughout his career, beat him at

2076
01:35:36,520 --> 01:35:39,599
Speaker 4: home in Riga, Latvia, you know, right at his doorset anyway,

2077
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:43,439
Speaker 4: those the two, the whitewashing of Gloatski and Mark o'hook

2078
01:35:43,560 --> 01:35:47,120
Speaker 4: at cruiserweight, who were both very good fighters at that time.

2079
01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:51,040
Speaker 4: Hook a little bit washy but still a big aggressive,

2080
01:35:51,240 --> 01:35:54,800
Speaker 4: you know, crazy Turkish German man uh. And then the

2081
01:35:55,200 --> 01:35:58,519
Speaker 4: close fight with Briatus, who was you know, probably the

2082
01:35:58,520 --> 01:35:59,599
Speaker 4: closest we've seen to.

2083
01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:04,280
Speaker 1: And athletic stand in fight in that one that was great.

2084
01:36:04,680 --> 01:36:06,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, And and that's the thing. He was able to

2085
01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:09,639
Speaker 4: keep up with Hussik's feet and stay close to him

2086
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:11,600
Speaker 4: and really get rough and dirty in there in a

2087
01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:13,840
Speaker 4: way that made it effective and that he just but

2088
01:36:14,040 --> 01:36:15,760
Speaker 4: again he ran out of gas a little bit at

2089
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:18,800
Speaker 4: the end, and Usik closed strong. The guy Usik of

2090
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:20,559
Speaker 4: all of his attributes, and this is this is a

2091
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:24,519
Speaker 4: fighter who, outside of not having great pop uh you know,

2092
01:36:24,680 --> 01:36:28,400
Speaker 4: as as a power puncher, has almost everything else. The

2093
01:36:28,439 --> 01:36:30,519
Speaker 4: thing that might be number one on that list is

2094
01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:33,880
Speaker 4: just his mental strength, his his ability to uh to

2095
01:36:33,880 --> 01:36:37,519
Speaker 4: to hang in there, arise to the occasion find another level.

2096
01:36:37,560 --> 01:36:41,840
Speaker 4: When good opponents like Breatus or Aj when they find

2097
01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:43,519
Speaker 4: a little success in the middle of a fight or

2098
01:36:43,560 --> 01:36:46,200
Speaker 4: push him early, or when Chizora comes out like a

2099
01:36:46,200 --> 01:36:49,679
Speaker 4: house on fire and is just doing you know, wild

2100
01:36:50,160 --> 01:36:52,320
Speaker 4: like like some of the things Chazora talks about with

2101
01:36:52,400 --> 01:36:54,720
Speaker 4: the with the donkeys and the anal beads in his

2102
01:36:54,840 --> 01:36:57,200
Speaker 4: in his interviews like this, that's the kind of action

2103
01:36:57,360 --> 01:36:59,559
Speaker 4: he was bringing in the ring to to Usik and

2104
01:36:59,640 --> 01:37:03,840
Speaker 4: Uzik whether's that comes back, adjusts and does and takes

2105
01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:06,400
Speaker 4: over the fight. And that's because you know how strong

2106
01:37:06,439 --> 01:37:09,400
Speaker 4: he is mentally. And that's also another under like we

2107
01:37:09,439 --> 01:37:11,599
Speaker 4: haven't talked about it yet, it's been a big theme

2108
01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:13,840
Speaker 4: of this build up. You know, Usik is gonna have.

2109
01:37:14,120 --> 01:37:16,880
Speaker 4: This has probably gotta be the biggest mental test of

2110
01:37:16,920 --> 01:37:20,000
Speaker 4: his career with every you know, having been recently on

2111
01:37:20,040 --> 01:37:22,320
Speaker 4: the front lines of the war in Ukraine and fighting.

2112
01:37:22,360 --> 01:37:24,400
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, he fought for his country in the Olympics.

2113
01:37:24,439 --> 01:37:27,240
Speaker 4: He probably feels as if he always fights for his country,

2114
01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:29,400
Speaker 4: but this is a whole new level of that and

2115
01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:32,519
Speaker 4: he I think he can't rise to the occasion. But

2116
01:37:32,920 --> 01:37:35,679
Speaker 4: I guarantee you if he loses and we're Monday morning

2117
01:37:35,840 --> 01:37:39,280
Speaker 4: quarterbacking the loss, we're all gonna be saying, well, you know,

2118
01:37:39,479 --> 01:37:41,840
Speaker 4: of course, Ukraine had a big had to.

2119
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:42,360
Speaker 2: Play a role.

2120
01:37:43,320 --> 01:37:47,120
Speaker 1: Interesting stuff right there. More surprising boxing turn of events.

2121
01:37:47,120 --> 01:37:50,000
Speaker 1: The second half of the movie Million Dollar Baby or

2122
01:37:50,280 --> 01:37:53,000
Speaker 1: Myris Bright is getting the Jake Paul tattoo and putting

2123
01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:55,799
Speaker 1: out the Raisin Balls music video to try to attract

2124
01:37:55,880 --> 01:37:58,160
Speaker 1: him in I mean, what the hell is your guy doing?

2125
01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:03,760
Speaker 4: Seriously, never never follow through. I'm the promise to get

2126
01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:06,439
Speaker 4: the tattoo, all right, right. Vonus mudd Erosian taught us

2127
01:38:06,479 --> 01:38:08,280
Speaker 4: that he said he was going to get a Charlo

2128
01:38:08,439 --> 01:38:12,000
Speaker 4: tattoo if Jamel Charlo beat him, Damel beat him. You

2129
01:38:12,040 --> 01:38:13,720
Speaker 4: know what, he Javani has had the sense to not

2130
01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:17,120
Speaker 4: do get a tattoo of Jamel Charlo or Lions only

2131
01:38:17,200 --> 01:38:18,960
Speaker 4: or whatever it said he would promise he's gonna do.

2132
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:20,160
Speaker 4: Don't do it, Just don't do it.

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01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:24,080
Speaker 1: Topic five takes us to this weekend Showtime Championship Boxing

2134
01:38:24,200 --> 01:38:27,800
Speaker 1: still with the Adrian Broner withdrawal and have a four

2135
01:38:27,840 --> 01:38:30,920
Speaker 1: fight card. It goes down Hollywood, Florida, eight pm Eastern

2136
01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:35,759
Speaker 1: Saturday only on Showtime. Omar Figueroa Junior, the former lightweight

2137
01:38:35,800 --> 01:38:39,240
Speaker 1: world titleist who's made his own comeback from mental health setbacks.

2138
01:38:39,439 --> 01:38:42,799
Speaker 1: Still in the main event, Sergey Lippignett's the New opponent,

2139
01:38:43,040 --> 01:38:45,559
Speaker 1: the former one hundred and forty pound champion, who is

2140
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:49,240
Speaker 1: on this preliminary off TV card, maybe as a potential,

2141
01:38:49,320 --> 01:38:51,599
Speaker 1: you know, replacement of something happened. Well, it did happen.

2142
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:54,280
Speaker 1: We'll get to that fight in a second. But RAYF

2143
01:38:54,360 --> 01:38:57,479
Speaker 1: you and I have covered AB's wild up and down

2144
01:38:57,520 --> 01:39:00,719
Speaker 1: career really from the beginning. It coincided with us getting

2145
01:39:00,760 --> 01:39:03,680
Speaker 1: into the boxing journalism game on this level. I mean,

2146
01:39:03,680 --> 01:39:05,800
Speaker 1: you and I once went to New York City and

2147
01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:07,880
Speaker 1: interviewed Ab in the back room ahead of the Mikey

2148
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:11,560
Speaker 1: Garcia fight, and it's like that day he was professional.

2149
01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:14,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna turn it back around, Ab, But you can

2150
01:39:14,720 --> 01:39:16,720
Speaker 1: catch him the next day and it's a whole different one.

2151
01:39:16,760 --> 01:39:19,639
Speaker 1: He ends up pulling out of this fight for mental

2152
01:39:19,680 --> 01:39:23,639
Speaker 1: health reasons, despite Omar Figuero as sort of aggressive slander

2153
01:39:23,680 --> 01:39:28,960
Speaker 1: after the fact. Do you look at this as almost

2154
01:39:29,000 --> 01:39:32,840
Speaker 1: a good thing that he who has obviously battled mental

2155
01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:37,160
Speaker 1: health things throughout the years very publicly, kind of knew

2156
01:39:37,200 --> 01:39:40,680
Speaker 1: himself enough to step aside or being so close to

2157
01:39:40,720 --> 01:39:43,160
Speaker 1: the fight. Is it just another weird occurrence in the

2158
01:39:43,200 --> 01:39:45,320
Speaker 1: life of Adrian Brouner as a professional boxer.

2159
01:39:45,960 --> 01:39:46,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.

2160
01:39:46,840 --> 01:39:50,040
Speaker 4: I mean, look, I hope that he does that by

2161
01:39:50,320 --> 01:39:54,320
Speaker 4: missing this fight and pulling out AB. You know, it

2162
01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:56,680
Speaker 4: benefits him in the way that he needs it to,

2163
01:39:56,800 --> 01:40:00,040
Speaker 4: whether that means you know, seeking help or just you know,

2164
01:40:00,160 --> 01:40:02,960
Speaker 4: getting getting away from things, whatever it is he needs

2165
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:05,639
Speaker 4: to get himself right. You want to see that happening.

2166
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:08,200
Speaker 4: It's hard to say is it better because on some level,

2167
01:40:08,640 --> 01:40:13,160
Speaker 4: I imagine everyone you know needs the purse that you're

2168
01:40:13,160 --> 01:40:15,639
Speaker 4: gonna get for fighting, you know, in a main event

2169
01:40:15,720 --> 01:40:17,960
Speaker 4: on showtime. That's a that's a that's a lot of money,

2170
01:40:18,160 --> 01:40:19,160
Speaker 4: and we've seen that, you know.

2171
01:40:19,240 --> 01:40:20,320
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, AB at.

2172
01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:23,400
Speaker 4: Least publicly, has has said that he has had money

2173
01:40:23,439 --> 01:40:27,559
Speaker 4: issues before. It's not hard to believe that that perhaps

2174
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:30,040
Speaker 4: he overspent it some even though you know, I mean

2175
01:40:30,200 --> 01:40:32,200
Speaker 4: knockout Wood. I would be very happy if that those

2176
01:40:32,240 --> 01:40:33,880
Speaker 4: were all lies and he's sitting on a nice pile

2177
01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:37,320
Speaker 4: of cash. But uh, you know, it's hard to say,

2178
01:40:37,400 --> 01:40:40,800
Speaker 4: like what if it's just one night, maybe maybe mental

2179
01:40:40,800 --> 01:40:42,320
Speaker 4: health can take a break and you can get that

2180
01:40:42,400 --> 01:40:45,120
Speaker 4: money and work on yourself later. But look, he did

2181
01:40:45,120 --> 01:40:48,080
Speaker 4: what he had to do. Uh, And and hopefully it

2182
01:40:48,120 --> 01:40:50,320
Speaker 4: works out for him in the end, and Strangely enough,

2183
01:40:50,360 --> 01:40:52,559
Speaker 4: I know this is the exact opposite of what the

2184
01:40:52,600 --> 01:40:55,400
Speaker 4: boxing industry probably is saying about a b right now,

2185
01:40:55,439 --> 01:40:59,200
Speaker 4: but this makes me want to see him come back

2186
01:40:59,280 --> 01:41:03,400
Speaker 4: and get another somehow, some way, someday. Although obviously, when

2187
01:41:03,400 --> 01:41:06,800
Speaker 4: you pulled out at the beginning of fight week and leave,

2188
01:41:06,840 --> 01:41:10,040
Speaker 4: that's a whole promotion and a lurch. It ain't easy, and.

2189
01:41:09,920 --> 01:41:12,400
Speaker 1: That's why Omar Figueroa kind of accused him of just,

2190
01:41:12,439 --> 01:41:14,200
Speaker 1: you know, not being in the best shape and kind

2191
01:41:14,240 --> 01:41:17,080
Speaker 1: of looking for a way out. But let's be honest. Look,

2192
01:41:17,120 --> 01:41:20,120
Speaker 1: the mental health narrative has become a real thing in boxing,

2193
01:41:20,160 --> 01:41:22,760
Speaker 1: and probably rightfully so. I mean we've we've seen Ryan

2194
01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:25,640
Speaker 1: Garcia take a step away. We've seen Danny Garcia, you know,

2195
01:41:25,800 --> 01:41:28,879
Speaker 1: getting emotional on the postfight interview and revealing his battle

2196
01:41:28,960 --> 01:41:32,080
Speaker 1: through teo femo. I mean, it's it's look. It can

2197
01:41:32,160 --> 01:41:35,000
Speaker 1: hit anybody at any time. We also saw on Twitter,

2198
01:41:35,600 --> 01:41:39,559
Speaker 1: Tank Davis kind of makes some comments and Ryan Garcia

2199
01:41:39,640 --> 01:41:41,120
Speaker 1: coming back at him. I don't know if you saw this,

2200
01:41:41,160 --> 01:41:44,200
Speaker 1: could we throw it to the to the tweets right here?

2201
01:41:46,200 --> 01:41:48,600
Speaker 1: Tank says boxer's got to stop using mental health to

2202
01:41:48,600 --> 01:41:51,120
Speaker 1: get out of stuff. Then Ryan Garcia says, Tank, we

2203
01:41:51,120 --> 01:41:52,920
Speaker 1: can go back and forth what happens in the ring

2204
01:41:52,920 --> 01:41:54,880
Speaker 1: all day, but taking a shot at someone's mental health

2205
01:41:54,920 --> 01:41:57,400
Speaker 1: is out of line. I hope that deleting your tweet

2206
01:41:57,439 --> 01:41:59,400
Speaker 1: is part of your journey. Blah blah blah. Rad guy

2207
01:41:59,400 --> 01:42:03,599
Speaker 1: would then come back. I believe we've got a second

2208
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:08,360
Speaker 1: tweet card here there. It is being honest about mental health,

2209
01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:10,720
Speaker 1: is strength, et cetera, et cetera. Educate yourself. And then

2210
01:42:10,760 --> 01:42:12,639
Speaker 1: Tank says, Look, we're just built different, we come from

2211
01:42:12,680 --> 01:42:15,600
Speaker 1: different places. I want to show it. I want to

2212
01:42:15,640 --> 01:42:17,320
Speaker 1: show it by putting the pain on you. That's how

2213
01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:19,320
Speaker 1: I'll fight my mental health. Now, look, I mean we

2214
01:42:19,360 --> 01:42:21,160
Speaker 1: all want to see that fight. We'll see what happens

2215
01:42:21,800 --> 01:42:25,200
Speaker 1: in that regard. But but boxing is as macho a

2216
01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:29,760
Speaker 1: game as we know. Could someone use it as an

2217
01:42:29,800 --> 01:42:32,080
Speaker 1: excuse to get out of something, yes, But I also

2218
01:42:32,240 --> 01:42:34,040
Speaker 1: like that for the most part, we're starting to look

2219
01:42:34,040 --> 01:42:36,599
Speaker 1: at this as like you shouldn't be in the ring

2220
01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:40,320
Speaker 1: unless you are in a spot where you're safe, because

2221
01:42:40,360 --> 01:42:43,120
Speaker 1: of how unsafe this game is. At the very least,

2222
01:42:43,240 --> 01:42:45,280
Speaker 1: I gotta be happy that people are taking this seriously.

2223
01:42:46,680 --> 01:42:48,439
Speaker 4: It's look it's of course, this is a great it's

2224
01:42:48,479 --> 01:42:50,479
Speaker 4: for the greater good of society that we are taking

2225
01:42:50,479 --> 01:42:53,559
Speaker 4: this seriously. It's difficult in a support like boxing, where

2226
01:42:53,880 --> 01:42:56,800
Speaker 4: you know there are reasons why fighters might want to

2227
01:42:56,960 --> 01:43:00,880
Speaker 4: pull out of a fight. Usually I look, my, my, my,

2228
01:43:00,880 --> 01:43:03,640
Speaker 4: my suggestion. Instead of mental health, let's all, I just

2229
01:43:03,640 --> 01:43:05,960
Speaker 4: go back to the UH, to the to the old

2230
01:43:05,960 --> 01:43:08,760
Speaker 4: school way of of you know, pulling out of a

2231
01:43:08,760 --> 01:43:10,320
Speaker 4: fight and say that, you know.

2232
01:43:10,400 --> 01:43:13,200
Speaker 2: Just just come up with an injury. Boxers are always hurt.

2233
01:43:13,200 --> 01:43:16,439
Speaker 4: There's always a legit injury UH for every fighter after

2234
01:43:16,439 --> 01:43:18,400
Speaker 4: they go through a training camp and are going into

2235
01:43:19,000 --> 01:43:21,600
Speaker 4: a fight. That way, it puts I feel like it

2236
01:43:21,640 --> 01:43:24,240
Speaker 4: puts people, It puts fans. It puts the industry in

2237
01:43:24,280 --> 01:43:27,840
Speaker 4: a really difficult spot too, to try to sort of

2238
01:43:28,280 --> 01:43:31,240
Speaker 4: fight the human nature to judge WHOA do I really

2239
01:43:31,240 --> 01:43:33,759
Speaker 4: believe this now all of a sudden, and like nobody

2240
01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:37,880
Speaker 4: wants to be skeptical of something like that. But look,

2241
01:43:37,960 --> 01:43:40,720
Speaker 4: I those thoughts do cross my mind sometimes. And that

2242
01:43:40,760 --> 01:43:43,040
Speaker 4: doesn't mean that I think that my mental health is

2243
01:43:43,040 --> 01:43:46,080
Speaker 4: perfect or I haven't struggled too. I also think that

2244
01:43:46,120 --> 01:43:48,240
Speaker 4: on some level, fans, you know, I mean some fans

2245
01:43:48,280 --> 01:43:51,760
Speaker 4: really believe uh and want to support. Some fans, you'll

2246
01:43:51,760 --> 01:43:53,720
Speaker 4: find a lot who are kind of like yo, I

2247
01:43:53,760 --> 01:43:56,240
Speaker 4: still got to work tomorrow. Nobody cares. You know, what's

2248
01:43:56,240 --> 01:43:59,200
Speaker 4: going on in my head and it's you know, there's

2249
01:43:59,200 --> 01:44:00,000
Speaker 4: no there's no right answer.

2250
01:44:01,120 --> 01:44:03,600
Speaker 1: Look, I want a b to be fine. He's I

2251
01:44:03,640 --> 01:44:06,000
Speaker 1: always say he's great for the sport, even though I don't.

2252
01:44:06,040 --> 01:44:08,040
Speaker 1: You know, I haven't always danced with every song he

2253
01:44:08,200 --> 01:44:08,760
Speaker 1: wanted us to.

2254
01:44:08,920 --> 01:44:13,680
Speaker 2: But that's good, that's loyal. Was it was? That was

2255
01:44:13,720 --> 01:44:14,240
Speaker 2: about right.

2256
01:44:14,840 --> 01:44:17,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, remember we had those those rap tracks on the

2257
01:44:17,000 --> 01:44:19,240
Speaker 1: old podcast and we were playing them. Man, that was

2258
01:44:19,320 --> 01:44:22,439
Speaker 1: that was something. You know, he's thirty three and I

2259
01:44:22,520 --> 01:44:25,240
Speaker 1: still think if he wants to, he can make fun fights.

2260
01:44:25,240 --> 01:44:27,120
Speaker 1: I thought this would have been a fun fight. We

2261
01:44:27,200 --> 01:44:30,080
Speaker 1: can argue though, this might have been even a more

2262
01:44:30,160 --> 01:44:33,080
Speaker 1: fun fight. Sergai Lippinetz is not that far removed from

2263
01:44:33,360 --> 01:44:35,160
Speaker 1: you know, losing his one hundred and forty pound title

2264
01:44:35,200 --> 01:44:39,200
Speaker 1: to Mikey Garcia retiring Lamont Peterson in a legit fought

2265
01:44:39,280 --> 01:44:42,080
Speaker 1: Fight of the Year contender fut Castio Clayton do a

2266
01:44:42,080 --> 01:44:45,200
Speaker 1: fun draw. Yes, lost to Jeron Boots Ennis when he

2267
01:44:45,240 --> 01:44:48,679
Speaker 1: stepped back up. But he's in his early thirties looking

2268
01:44:48,680 --> 01:44:53,080
Speaker 1: for a big opportunity. Sergei Lipinittes versus Omar Figueroa junior

2269
01:44:53,200 --> 01:44:56,439
Speaker 1: RAF at the very least, how can this not be

2270
01:44:56,520 --> 01:44:58,679
Speaker 1: a phone booth fight? This could be some fun business

2271
01:44:58,680 --> 01:44:59,240
Speaker 1: Saturday night.

2272
01:44:59,400 --> 01:45:02,120
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, look for the boxing fan who wants to

2273
01:45:02,160 --> 01:45:05,000
Speaker 4: see a good fight. This This isn't an argument. This

2274
01:45:05,200 --> 01:45:10,040
Speaker 4: is definitely a much better TV product to watch on

2275
01:45:10,120 --> 01:45:13,360
Speaker 4: Saturday night. I mean nos, in terms of a fan

2276
01:45:13,439 --> 01:45:16,439
Speaker 4: friendly TV fight. Good lord, I mean they're they're gonna

2277
01:45:16,479 --> 01:45:18,400
Speaker 4: go in there and bang and both. That's how that's

2278
01:45:18,439 --> 01:45:21,519
Speaker 4: the best version of both of these fighters, when they're

2279
01:45:21,560 --> 01:45:23,960
Speaker 4: being aggressive, when they're not having to deal with someone

2280
01:45:24,240 --> 01:45:26,960
Speaker 4: who can make them miss and and and sort of

2281
01:45:27,160 --> 01:45:29,439
Speaker 4: make them look like cavemen. You know, just let the

2282
01:45:29,479 --> 01:45:33,000
Speaker 4: cavemen bang. I think that uh you know, so so

2283
01:45:33,040 --> 01:45:33,800
Speaker 4: in that and Ab.

2284
01:45:34,040 --> 01:45:35,759
Speaker 2: I mean, look, as much.

2285
01:45:35,640 --> 01:45:38,160
Speaker 4: As it's weird, because we feel like we we root

2286
01:45:38,200 --> 01:45:41,040
Speaker 4: for Ab almost in spite of the fact that he

2287
01:45:41,200 --> 01:45:45,000
Speaker 4: has not been a good TV fighter. He's a great

2288
01:45:45,040 --> 01:45:47,599
Speaker 4: box office draw and that's a good reason to keep,

2289
01:45:47,760 --> 01:45:49,360
Speaker 4: you know, giving him his opportunities.

2290
01:45:49,640 --> 01:45:52,360
Speaker 1: Brawl that draw, that was a good fight.

2291
01:45:52,439 --> 01:45:55,160
Speaker 4: Occasionally, yes, but it has to be brought out of him.

2292
01:45:55,160 --> 01:45:56,720
Speaker 4: And more often than not, we see when he got

2293
01:45:56,760 --> 01:45:58,599
Speaker 4: the big fight against Manny Packio, what did he What

2294
01:45:58,640 --> 01:46:01,600
Speaker 4: did ab do? He basically just survived, wouldn't let his

2295
01:46:01,680 --> 01:46:05,439
Speaker 4: hands go. He still has the reflexes and instincts and

2296
01:46:05,800 --> 01:46:09,760
Speaker 4: defensive ability to make a fight, to slow a fight down,

2297
01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:12,840
Speaker 4: prevent himself from getting hurt, but do nothing to win.

2298
01:46:13,040 --> 01:46:16,519
Speaker 4: And that has been the story through so many of

2299
01:46:16,680 --> 01:46:18,720
Speaker 4: the fight of his fights in the last you know,

2300
01:46:19,479 --> 01:46:22,080
Speaker 4: five years almost and I think that we would have

2301
01:46:22,120 --> 01:46:24,640
Speaker 4: seen some version of that again. Maybe he would have

2302
01:46:24,640 --> 01:46:27,720
Speaker 4: been good enough to nick a win over Omar Figueroa,

2303
01:46:27,800 --> 01:46:30,000
Speaker 4: maybe not, but it would have been that kind of fight.

2304
01:46:30,120 --> 01:46:34,160
Speaker 4: Instead we get Lipynette stepping in. Who is still Look Lipignettes,

2305
01:46:34,240 --> 01:46:36,400
Speaker 4: I am not always I there have been times, and

2306
01:46:36,400 --> 01:46:38,120
Speaker 4: you know this, you make fun of me about it.

2307
01:46:38,479 --> 01:46:42,240
Speaker 4: I I sometimes can be a little dismissive of Lipignettes

2308
01:46:42,320 --> 01:46:45,920
Speaker 4: as a legit championship level contender at you know one

2309
01:46:46,920 --> 01:46:48,680
Speaker 4: seven any of these weights. I don't think he is.

2310
01:46:48,720 --> 01:46:51,120
Speaker 4: But I think he is a world class B plus

2311
01:46:51,160 --> 01:46:54,240
Speaker 4: fighter whatever in the world that means, right, A like

2312
01:46:54,360 --> 01:46:57,360
Speaker 4: a championship level gatekeeper. And you see what happens when

2313
01:46:57,360 --> 01:46:59,200
Speaker 4: he steps up, he doesn't He looks like he doesn't

2314
01:46:59,200 --> 01:47:01,160
Speaker 4: belong in the ring with likes of a Mikey Garcia,

2315
01:47:01,200 --> 01:47:02,920
Speaker 4: even though I know, oh he pushed him, he pushed him.

2316
01:47:03,240 --> 01:47:05,760
Speaker 1: No, No, he made that hard. See, this is where

2317
01:47:05,800 --> 01:47:07,639
Speaker 1: you and I did for he gave He gave Mikey

2318
01:47:07,640 --> 01:47:09,960
Speaker 1: the business for a while. Okay, how he was he.

2319
01:47:09,920 --> 01:47:10,799
Speaker 2: Was bigger than Mikey.

2320
01:47:10,800 --> 01:47:13,080
Speaker 4: It's true, Mike, you should have stayed at one thirty five.

2321
01:47:13,720 --> 01:47:15,960
Speaker 1: Maybe the one forty seven elites are a little too

2322
01:47:15,960 --> 01:47:18,080
Speaker 1: big for him, so you get somebody with huge skill

2323
01:47:18,120 --> 01:47:19,320
Speaker 1: like a boote also.

2324
01:47:19,200 --> 01:47:24,200
Speaker 2: Just way better the one forty seven elitt Brian, No, no.

2325
01:47:24,200 --> 01:47:26,280
Speaker 1: You're right, all right. But Omar Figaroa junior has got

2326
01:47:26,280 --> 01:47:28,240
Speaker 1: a chance to kind of put his train back on

2327
01:47:28,280 --> 01:47:30,800
Speaker 1: the tracks. We wish him. Well have you been? You know,

2328
01:47:30,840 --> 01:47:33,000
Speaker 1: you and I are not podcasting anymore. But dude, Brandon

2329
01:47:33,040 --> 01:47:36,760
Speaker 1: Figaroa at one twenty two now one twenty six, like

2330
01:47:37,320 --> 01:47:39,080
Speaker 1: I think we're done saying, hey, dude, why are you

2331
01:47:39,120 --> 01:47:41,120
Speaker 1: giving away your reach and height? Because he gets inside

2332
01:47:41,160 --> 01:47:42,920
Speaker 1: on you and he knocks people out. Man, I mean

2333
01:47:42,920 --> 01:47:45,360
Speaker 1: this is becoming a thing. Have you enjoyed the Brandon

2334
01:47:45,400 --> 01:47:46,400
Speaker 1: Figaroa experience?

2335
01:47:46,680 --> 01:47:49,400
Speaker 2: Absolutely? I enjoyed it really early on.

2336
01:47:49,479 --> 01:47:51,240
Speaker 4: I think I'm whether it was a showbox or some

2337
01:47:51,240 --> 01:47:54,200
Speaker 4: of the early PBC undercards I caught him on before

2338
01:47:54,240 --> 01:47:56,879
Speaker 4: he was fighting for titles. He came in I remember

2339
01:47:57,200 --> 01:47:59,200
Speaker 4: back in the day coming out with a hot take

2340
01:47:59,240 --> 01:48:03,519
Speaker 4: that definitely went nowhere. That Brandon Figueroa was the you know,

2341
01:48:03,840 --> 01:48:07,120
Speaker 4: was the sort of like the cool hipster Ryan Garcia,

2342
01:48:07,240 --> 01:48:09,720
Speaker 4: you know, like handsome but in a much sort of

2343
01:48:10,080 --> 01:48:12,559
Speaker 4: you know, much more indie way, you know, come in

2344
01:48:12,600 --> 01:48:15,680
Speaker 4: with his baby face outfit and uh and at that

2345
01:48:15,720 --> 01:48:17,719
Speaker 4: point in time, I thought he could fight a lot better.

2346
01:48:18,080 --> 01:48:20,439
Speaker 4: That might still be true. We haven't really seen Ryan

2347
01:48:20,479 --> 01:48:24,120
Speaker 4: Garcia fight many you know, high level opponents, but uh,

2348
01:48:24,200 --> 01:48:26,880
Speaker 4: you know, yeah, Brandon Fagaroa is real good. And even

2349
01:48:26,920 --> 01:48:29,479
Speaker 4: though he lost that fight close, you know to to

2350
01:48:29,479 --> 01:48:32,360
Speaker 4: Stephen Fulton Jr. Good lord, Stephen Fulton Jr. Good lord.

2351
01:48:32,400 --> 01:48:34,000
Speaker 4: I mean that was a really really good fight and

2352
01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:37,479
Speaker 4: he showed that he isn't like just another sort of

2353
01:48:38,160 --> 01:48:42,360
Speaker 4: uh you know, hard working you know, put your you know, put.

2354
01:48:42,160 --> 01:48:43,960
Speaker 2: Put your lunch, lunch, pale hat on.

2355
01:48:43,880 --> 01:48:44,519
Speaker 4: What is it called that?

2356
01:48:44,520 --> 01:48:46,400
Speaker 2: Ain't it whatever it was that it has to be.

2357
01:48:46,439 --> 01:48:51,720
Speaker 4: Your bull, Brian. But uh, you know he's not. He's

2358
01:48:51,760 --> 01:48:54,479
Speaker 4: not just a just a just a tough, you know,

2359
01:48:54,720 --> 01:48:56,719
Speaker 4: hard working guy who likes to get in the trenches

2360
01:48:56,760 --> 01:48:57,120
Speaker 4: and bang.

2361
01:48:57,240 --> 01:48:58,439
Speaker 2: He he has a lot of craft.

2362
01:48:58,439 --> 01:49:01,679
Speaker 4: He's a really strong inside fighter, and he really gave

2363
01:49:01,720 --> 01:49:04,800
Speaker 4: Stephen Fulton Junior, you know, a great test and one

2364
01:49:04,880 --> 01:49:07,160
Speaker 4: that you know they're not in the same division anymore.

2365
01:49:07,200 --> 01:49:09,120
Speaker 4: But I don't think any of us would have seen it.

2366
01:49:09,280 --> 01:49:11,120
Speaker 4: Upset to see that again exactly.

2367
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:15,480
Speaker 1: But get it right, it's Steven Stephen, but cool boy Steph.

2368
01:49:15,520 --> 01:49:17,880
Speaker 1: But now they call him Scooter. I mean he's blowing

2369
01:49:17,880 --> 01:49:20,160
Speaker 1: people away too. He's fun of shit. Don't forget the

2370
01:49:20,160 --> 01:49:23,559
Speaker 1: third boxing figure o a sibling, oh Myra the strength

2371
01:49:23,600 --> 01:49:26,120
Speaker 1: coach also really making a lot of waves and bringing

2372
01:49:26,120 --> 01:49:29,080
Speaker 1: her career to the next level and also immediate for

2373
01:49:29,120 --> 01:49:31,960
Speaker 1: the Hood against Puck Yao Okay, yeah, Abe did it

2374
01:49:31,960 --> 01:49:33,679
Speaker 1: for the Hood. Okay, so back.

2375
01:49:33,520 --> 01:49:35,479
Speaker 4: Off, you know I beat that boy, Brian.

2376
01:49:36,120 --> 01:49:38,960
Speaker 1: We close today's show with a fun segment. Ray if

2377
01:49:38,960 --> 01:49:40,760
Speaker 1: you've never done this type of fun stuff with us,

2378
01:49:40,800 --> 01:49:43,360
Speaker 1: I debuted last week with Rashad Evans. It's a new segment.

2379
01:49:43,560 --> 01:49:48,720
Speaker 1: This is a box edition of Yes, No or GTFO

2380
01:49:49,640 --> 01:49:55,080
Speaker 1: I got you. So here's the premise, Raphael, I've got

2381
01:49:55,160 --> 01:49:59,479
Speaker 1: ten or so provocative statements about boxing and beyond. You

2382
01:49:59,520 --> 01:50:02,320
Speaker 1: will respond with yes if you agree and tell me why.

2383
01:50:02,320 --> 01:50:05,000
Speaker 1: I know if you don't agree and tell me why,

2384
01:50:05,760 --> 01:50:09,840
Speaker 1: or GTFOBC if you think this is just ridiculous or

2385
01:50:09,840 --> 01:50:11,880
Speaker 1: what have you? I got rash out to GTF on

2386
01:50:11,880 --> 01:50:13,840
Speaker 1: me three times last time, so we'll see what happens.

2387
01:50:14,000 --> 01:50:16,519
Speaker 4: I think I can exceed that number one.

2388
01:50:17,280 --> 01:50:21,280
Speaker 1: Hey, all, this Tyson Fury every other day retirement talk

2389
01:50:22,120 --> 01:50:26,800
Speaker 1: is actually Gypsy traveler code for we ain't fighting Usik

2390
01:50:26,880 --> 01:50:28,880
Speaker 1: if he beats Joshua a second time?

2391
01:50:30,320 --> 01:50:36,920
Speaker 4: Uh can I? GTFO Brian GTFO why? Because I think

2392
01:50:36,920 --> 01:50:41,840
Speaker 4: that Tyson Fury would absolutely take that fight. F Usik

2393
01:50:41,880 --> 01:50:45,519
Speaker 4: beats Joshua second time, will there be as much money

2394
01:50:45,560 --> 01:50:47,800
Speaker 4: in it as an Aja fight? Maybe the guy would

2395
01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:51,760
Speaker 4: have beaten Anthony Joshua twice. On top of that, As

2396
01:50:51,880 --> 01:50:54,120
Speaker 4: much as Tyson Fury likes to go back and forth,

2397
01:50:54,160 --> 01:50:56,960
Speaker 4: I don't see that as is the implication of the

2398
01:50:56,960 --> 01:51:00,599
Speaker 4: idea that Tyson Fury is avoiding Alexander.

2399
01:51:00,760 --> 01:51:02,519
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's just trying to raise his price,

2400
01:51:02,600 --> 01:51:05,320
Speaker 1: but obviously his message changes every day. But on the

2401
01:51:05,320 --> 01:51:08,120
Speaker 1: odd days, his messages I'm gonna box the guy from

2402
01:51:08,160 --> 01:51:10,760
Speaker 1: the Mountain Manver? What show is that game? Some Game

2403
01:51:10,760 --> 01:51:14,719
Speaker 1: of Thrones? O't thors Thorn Thorn Store? Or I'm gonna

2404
01:51:14,720 --> 01:51:18,800
Speaker 1: go back to WWE? So is he just doing that

2405
01:51:18,840 --> 01:51:20,840
Speaker 1: to get more money? I mean, dude, do I believe

2406
01:51:20,880 --> 01:51:22,840
Speaker 1: the fighting hard is there and he's gonna fight for

2407
01:51:22,880 --> 01:51:26,400
Speaker 1: the undisputed championship? Yes, but it does make me nervous

2408
01:51:26,439 --> 01:51:29,599
Speaker 1: that he's constantly playing this game, which is not such

2409
01:51:29,600 --> 01:51:30,760
Speaker 1: a tired ass game.

2410
01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:33,280
Speaker 4: I see, I see you need let me let me

2411
01:51:33,439 --> 01:51:36,280
Speaker 4: translate that that traveler talk for you. It's not that

2412
01:51:36,439 --> 01:51:40,320
Speaker 4: he is he has any doubt in his mind whatever

2413
01:51:40,360 --> 01:51:43,080
Speaker 4: whatever Tyson Fury has decided on. I believe he already

2414
01:51:43,120 --> 01:51:45,519
Speaker 4: knows what he's gonna do, but he loves to play

2415
01:51:45,560 --> 01:51:46,360
Speaker 4: games with the press.

2416
01:51:46,560 --> 01:51:47,040
Speaker 2: Imagine.

2417
01:51:47,080 --> 01:51:49,439
Speaker 4: I think he just gets a huge kick out of this,

2418
01:51:49,439 --> 01:51:53,320
Speaker 4: this reality he lives in, where whatever nonsense he comes

2419
01:51:53,360 --> 01:51:55,960
Speaker 4: up with, Oh I'm gonna fight Bill, Big Bill Kasmyer

2420
01:51:56,000 --> 01:51:59,439
Speaker 4: from the nineteen seventies World's Strongest Man competition is Oh,

2421
01:51:59,520 --> 01:52:02,240
Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna fight Derek Tazora tomorrow. I'm gonna

2422
01:52:02,240 --> 01:52:05,760
Speaker 4: fight Francis and Ganhu. Like he he gets a kick

2423
01:52:05,800 --> 01:52:08,400
Speaker 4: out of the idea that he basically can say, you know.

2424
01:52:08,520 --> 01:52:11,200
Speaker 2: Jump and the press says, how high Tyson?

2425
01:52:11,560 --> 01:52:15,679
Speaker 4: Like, we will report anything that the man says and

2426
01:52:15,680 --> 01:52:18,120
Speaker 4: and treat it, take it at face value truth when

2427
01:52:18,160 --> 01:52:21,240
Speaker 4: he's just he's just, he's just playing with people. He's

2428
01:52:21,320 --> 01:52:24,400
Speaker 4: he's just yeah, he's yeah.

2429
01:52:24,560 --> 01:52:27,799
Speaker 1: No podcast, because I asked about him his dad removing

2430
01:52:27,840 --> 01:52:31,320
Speaker 1: an eyeball on a bar fight? All right, number two?

2431
01:52:31,640 --> 01:52:33,320
Speaker 1: U here on yes?

2432
01:52:33,400 --> 01:52:33,439
Speaker 4: No?

2433
01:52:33,560 --> 01:52:36,880
Speaker 1: Or gtfo hey Tayo Fimo Lopez Junior look good in

2434
01:52:36,920 --> 01:52:40,280
Speaker 1: his one hundred and forty pounds debut, but the reality

2435
01:52:40,320 --> 01:52:43,840
Speaker 1: remains that what was lost two years in the two

2436
01:52:43,920 --> 01:52:47,240
Speaker 1: years since he upset Lomachenko might not be able to

2437
01:52:47,240 --> 01:52:48,639
Speaker 1: be properly ever restored.

2438
01:52:50,200 --> 01:52:53,439
Speaker 2: I do I think no, Ryan, Look, he is still

2439
01:52:53,520 --> 01:52:54,080
Speaker 2: so young.

2440
01:52:54,560 --> 01:52:57,280
Speaker 4: It was twenty four right now, twenty five, just turned

2441
01:52:57,720 --> 01:53:00,280
Speaker 4: just turned twenty five. If he goes on to have

2442
01:53:00,280 --> 01:53:03,920
Speaker 4: a long career, which he could, then he has plenty

2443
01:53:03,920 --> 01:53:06,200
Speaker 4: of time to erase all of that he fights right

2444
01:53:06,240 --> 01:53:09,880
Speaker 4: in the wheelhouse of of Waight divisions where he will

2445
01:53:09,920 --> 01:53:12,760
Speaker 4: be able to get legacy fights if he looks good

2446
01:53:12,840 --> 01:53:14,880
Speaker 4: enough and achieves and earns the right to do them

2447
01:53:14,920 --> 01:53:17,240
Speaker 4: and wins belts. I mean, he's he's in a position

2448
01:53:17,280 --> 01:53:19,760
Speaker 4: where he could be fighting, you know, at top rank

2449
01:53:19,800 --> 01:53:24,519
Speaker 4: at one point forty Jose Ramirez, you know Josh Taylor even.

2450
01:53:24,560 --> 01:53:26,160
Speaker 4: I mean, look, if he wants to pick up some

2451
01:53:26,200 --> 01:53:28,599
Speaker 4: scraps of Jack Jack Catterall, good for him.

2452
01:53:28,880 --> 01:53:31,400
Speaker 2: There our guy right prograde.

2453
01:53:31,439 --> 01:53:34,360
Speaker 4: I mean, you know Ryan, if that Ryan Garcia fight happens,

2454
01:53:34,400 --> 01:53:37,920
Speaker 4: I think you remember Brian years ago on that podcast

2455
01:53:37,960 --> 01:53:41,519
Speaker 4: we used to host. We jokingly asked Tayo after I

2456
01:53:41,560 --> 01:53:48,280
Speaker 4: think he had just slept Mason rock Hard Minard and.

2457
01:53:47,240 --> 01:53:50,200
Speaker 2: And we asked him like, mighty yeah, rock Hard, mighty man.

2458
01:53:51,280 --> 01:53:54,400
Speaker 4: Well he we asked Tayo what he thought of Ryan Garcia,

2459
01:53:54,439 --> 01:53:55,720
Speaker 4: this pretty boy, and he laughed at you.

2460
01:53:55,840 --> 01:53:57,639
Speaker 2: He was like, that boy does not want a piece

2461
01:53:57,680 --> 01:53:59,519
Speaker 2: of me. I think he still thinks that's the case.

2462
01:54:00,320 --> 01:54:03,080
Speaker 4: Look, he has to he has to keep himself on track.

2463
01:54:03,320 --> 01:54:07,240
Speaker 4: They are all the obvious questions about whether the trainer

2464
01:54:07,320 --> 01:54:10,120
Speaker 4: relationship with his father is good for him. Uh, and

2465
01:54:10,200 --> 01:54:12,960
Speaker 4: he's gonna have but he's gonna have every opportunity to

2466
01:54:13,080 --> 01:54:14,559
Speaker 4: either correct that if it's.

2467
01:54:14,479 --> 01:54:16,320
Speaker 2: A problem, or prove the world wrong.

2468
01:54:16,640 --> 01:54:19,080
Speaker 4: And if if he doesn't, then it's not because of

2469
01:54:19,080 --> 01:54:21,719
Speaker 4: these last two years, it's because he didn't.

2470
01:54:22,439 --> 01:54:25,200
Speaker 1: One word answer from you. Is it more likely of

2471
01:54:25,320 --> 01:54:27,400
Speaker 1: really hard fights to make that people think they can

2472
01:54:27,439 --> 01:54:31,760
Speaker 1: make that Raigui faces Tao or Gervante?

2473
01:54:33,240 --> 01:54:37,360
Speaker 2: Oh god, I don't. Neither more is the most likely.

2474
01:54:37,400 --> 01:54:40,000
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't know. If Garcia wants to fight

2475
01:54:40,000 --> 01:54:41,360
Speaker 4: a fight like that against either.

2476
01:54:41,200 --> 01:54:45,200
Speaker 1: There comes spectacle, skeptical. I hate the sport. Bartholomew. Again,

2477
01:54:45,280 --> 01:54:48,480
Speaker 1: Let's go to number three here. While playing mythical matchmaker

2478
01:54:48,600 --> 01:54:51,120
Speaker 1: with the four Princes, as Kara mulvaney calls them, and

2479
01:54:51,120 --> 01:54:55,360
Speaker 1: that's of course Tayo, Fimo, Haini, Dravante and Ryan Garcia.

2480
01:54:55,680 --> 01:54:59,280
Speaker 1: It's fun to do. But dude, Shaker Stevens, who would

2481
01:54:59,280 --> 01:55:02,360
Speaker 1: beat all of them at one thirty five or one?

2482
01:55:03,680 --> 01:55:06,040
Speaker 4: I look, I say, pumped the brakes on that one

2483
01:55:06,080 --> 01:55:09,360
Speaker 4: a little bit, Brian, So no, uh not yet.

2484
01:55:09,400 --> 01:55:10,440
Speaker 2: I see where you're coming from.

2485
01:55:10,480 --> 01:55:12,800
Speaker 4: I might favor Chakor in all of those fights, but

2486
01:55:13,200 --> 01:55:16,520
Speaker 4: let's really I mean, like, has Devin Haney done anything

2487
01:55:16,600 --> 01:55:22,680
Speaker 4: to to to like lose his luster us and and Tao?

2488
01:55:22,760 --> 01:55:25,960
Speaker 4: While we know the drawbacks with him, I could still

2489
01:55:26,000 --> 01:55:28,320
Speaker 4: see him. We've seen him rise to the occasion and

2490
01:55:28,800 --> 01:55:32,760
Speaker 4: win an incredible you know, have one of the best

2491
01:55:33,040 --> 01:55:35,480
Speaker 4: wins of the last five years. I mean that is

2492
01:55:35,560 --> 01:55:38,640
Speaker 4: like a Reganna go over Nonito do Naire type win

2493
01:55:38,960 --> 01:55:41,560
Speaker 4: in terms of like the opponent in front of him.

2494
01:55:41,560 --> 01:55:43,640
Speaker 2: And he deserved that w over Lomachenko.

2495
01:55:44,040 --> 01:55:48,120
Speaker 4: Uh, he was so dangerous that he convinced Lomachenko not

2496
01:55:48,240 --> 01:55:50,560
Speaker 4: to fight his own fight for six rounds to start

2497
01:55:50,560 --> 01:55:51,520
Speaker 4: halfway through the fight.

2498
01:55:51,800 --> 01:55:52,960
Speaker 2: That's what Tao can be.

2499
01:55:53,320 --> 01:55:56,600
Speaker 4: So do I think do I understand why people would

2500
01:55:56,680 --> 01:55:59,200
Speaker 4: would reasonably favor Shakor, who seems to really be putting

2501
01:55:59,200 --> 01:56:02,240
Speaker 4: it all together right now? Yes, I might favor him too,

2502
01:56:02,320 --> 01:56:04,600
Speaker 4: But to just say, oh, he washes all of them

2503
01:56:04,680 --> 01:56:05,040
Speaker 4: on No.

2504
01:56:05,160 --> 01:56:09,040
Speaker 1: Why I say wash? But God, he he does Floyd stuff.

2505
01:56:09,040 --> 01:56:10,160
Speaker 1: Nobody does Floyd stuff.

2506
01:56:10,200 --> 01:56:13,920
Speaker 2: Okay, does Devin Haney all he does Floyd stuff.

2507
01:56:14,280 --> 01:56:16,440
Speaker 1: I know, I know, But I think Shaker has that

2508
01:56:16,760 --> 01:56:19,520
Speaker 1: second gear that people question off Hane really has that,

2509
01:56:19,720 --> 01:56:20,040
Speaker 1: like that.

2510
01:56:20,120 --> 01:56:22,440
Speaker 4: The gear where he holds his opponent's head the entire

2511
01:56:22,440 --> 01:56:23,640
Speaker 4: fight and punches behind it.

2512
01:56:24,520 --> 01:56:27,400
Speaker 1: Yes, but also you know Shakur's proven in the parking

2513
01:56:27,400 --> 01:56:29,360
Speaker 1: lots too tough guy outside the ring as well. Hey,

2514
01:56:29,400 --> 01:56:33,360
Speaker 1: let's go to Renonito Donaire, as you mentioned his recent

2515
01:56:33,440 --> 01:56:37,720
Speaker 1: public teas of eschewing retirement following the anw A rematch

2516
01:56:37,760 --> 01:56:40,720
Speaker 1: loss in favor of cutting more down to one point

2517
01:56:40,680 --> 01:56:45,160
Speaker 1: fifteen to fight either Chuckle a Tito or Kazuto Ioka. Look,

2518
01:56:45,200 --> 01:56:48,760
Speaker 1: it's noble, it's ambitious, but the dude's forty. There's a

2519
01:56:48,800 --> 01:56:49,600
Speaker 1: really bad idea.

2520
01:56:49,720 --> 01:56:52,400
Speaker 4: Rave Uh yeah, I don't see why he has to

2521
01:56:52,440 --> 01:56:54,200
Speaker 4: go right, So, yes, I don't see why he has

2522
01:56:54,240 --> 01:56:54,800
Speaker 4: to cut.

2523
01:56:54,560 --> 01:56:54,920
Speaker 2: Way for that.

2524
01:56:55,000 --> 01:56:56,440
Speaker 4: Why won't one of them come up to him. I

2525
01:56:56,480 --> 01:56:58,560
Speaker 4: know he's bigger than them. He probably that would probably

2526
01:56:58,560 --> 01:57:01,200
Speaker 4: benefit him. But why you know this? This reminds this

2527
01:57:01,240 --> 01:57:04,480
Speaker 4: is like the classic Chad Dawson promising to go down

2528
01:57:04,520 --> 01:57:06,960
Speaker 4: and wait to fight andre Ward and then getting his

2529
01:57:07,000 --> 01:57:10,080
Speaker 4: ass handed to a mistake. Don't don't give that up

2530
01:57:10,200 --> 01:57:12,120
Speaker 4: right away. Don't give that up before you're at the

2531
01:57:12,160 --> 01:57:14,560
Speaker 4: negotiating table. If they end up at one point fifteen

2532
01:57:14,600 --> 01:57:15,920
Speaker 4: and he thinks he can make it.

2533
01:57:16,400 --> 01:57:17,200
Speaker 2: I'm okay with that.

2534
01:57:17,360 --> 01:57:21,080
Speaker 4: I like the idea of one big legacy fight for

2535
01:57:21,320 --> 01:57:25,080
Speaker 4: Nonito on the way out. Yes, he got just washed,

2536
01:57:25,120 --> 01:57:28,160
Speaker 4: I guess nuwa, but that's what I mean new I

2537
01:57:28,200 --> 01:57:28,840
Speaker 4: can do that.

2538
01:57:28,840 --> 01:57:31,400
Speaker 2: That's what we thought was going to happen in.

2539
01:57:31,320 --> 01:57:34,840
Speaker 4: The first fight before Nanito pulled out that inspiring performance.

2540
01:57:35,640 --> 01:57:38,040
Speaker 4: I don't think that the results of their latest fight

2541
01:57:38,320 --> 01:57:41,040
Speaker 4: mean that Donaida is just done and I think that

2542
01:57:41,440 --> 01:57:44,440
Speaker 4: he can't. Like especially I love the Chocolatito fight one

2543
01:57:44,520 --> 01:57:47,880
Speaker 4: because I think chuc Latito is a really, really advantageous

2544
01:57:47,920 --> 01:57:52,200
Speaker 4: style matchup for Nanito with his counterpunching and just you know,

2545
01:57:52,280 --> 01:57:56,240
Speaker 4: his power and that left hook, And also that is

2546
01:57:56,280 --> 01:57:59,000
Speaker 4: an incredible legacy fight both of them way at the

2547
01:57:59,080 --> 01:58:01,800
Speaker 4: end of their careers. They hopefully aren't going to hurt

2548
01:58:01,800 --> 01:58:04,160
Speaker 4: each other. That bad dad is one to retire on

2549
01:58:04,240 --> 01:58:05,120
Speaker 4: from whoever was it.

2550
01:58:05,520 --> 01:58:07,840
Speaker 1: I mean, that'd be great, But dude, I thought he

2551
01:58:07,880 --> 01:58:10,720
Speaker 1: was washed after the Walters loss featherweight and the fact

2552
01:58:10,760 --> 01:58:15,360
Speaker 1: that he's moved down two divisions. But the fact that

2553
01:58:15,360 --> 01:58:18,320
Speaker 1: he's already done this has been mind blowing. That he

2554
01:58:18,520 --> 01:58:21,240
Speaker 1: fought a new way on that level in the first fight, dude,

2555
01:58:21,280 --> 01:58:23,120
Speaker 1: There's only so much you can bite off. Though he's

2556
01:58:23,120 --> 01:58:24,280
Speaker 1: got a beautiful wife.

2557
01:58:24,600 --> 01:58:29,080
Speaker 4: Do it for Jaren, right, Jarren's practically a grown man now.

2558
01:58:29,160 --> 01:58:32,280
Speaker 2: He doesn't know he's fine. He can be the man

2559
01:58:32,320 --> 01:58:32,760
Speaker 2: of the house.

2560
01:58:33,240 --> 01:58:35,200
Speaker 1: I mean, risk it all at home, don't risk it

2561
01:58:35,240 --> 01:58:36,840
Speaker 1: all in the ring. You know what I'm talking about?

2562
01:58:36,840 --> 01:58:38,640
Speaker 1: All right? The next one. For as much as we

2563
01:58:38,680 --> 01:58:43,320
Speaker 1: glorify Steven Seagal's portrayal of Detective Gino Felino in the

2564
01:58:43,360 --> 01:58:46,880
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one action thriller Out for Justice, his mindly

2565
01:58:47,000 --> 01:58:50,400
Speaker 1: search for Bobby Lupo is actually a sad portrayal of

2566
01:58:50,520 --> 01:58:54,200
Speaker 1: police brutality, reckless use of forrest in about seventy eight

2567
01:58:54,280 --> 01:58:55,320
Speaker 1: other illegal acts.

2568
01:58:55,560 --> 01:58:59,600
Speaker 4: The last time I checked, Brian, this is maybe the

2569
01:58:59,640 --> 01:59:04,400
Speaker 4: strong is GTFO you will ever earn in this history

2570
01:59:04,400 --> 01:59:06,440
Speaker 4: of this segment. I don't know how many more times

2571
01:59:06,520 --> 01:59:09,400
Speaker 4: is coming up, but this is g GT F O

2572
01:59:09,640 --> 01:59:12,400
Speaker 4: F O H everything I can come up with to that, Brian,

2573
01:59:12,720 --> 01:59:13,480
Speaker 4: It's a movie.

2574
01:59:13,800 --> 01:59:15,280
Speaker 2: It's a great eighties movie.

2575
01:59:15,480 --> 01:59:15,800
Speaker 4: All right?

2576
01:59:15,880 --> 01:59:17,040
Speaker 2: Does are we worried?

2577
01:59:17,320 --> 01:59:17,520
Speaker 1: Are?

2578
01:59:18,080 --> 01:59:18,320
Speaker 2: Was it?

2579
01:59:18,360 --> 01:59:18,480
Speaker 4: Was it?

2580
01:59:18,560 --> 01:59:20,880
Speaker 1: Nineteen ninety ninety one? Get it right?

2581
01:59:20,920 --> 01:59:21,240
Speaker 2: Well?

2582
01:59:21,240 --> 01:59:21,520
Speaker 1: Please?

2583
01:59:22,600 --> 01:59:25,720
Speaker 4: Sorry, sorry to offend your your your Lord and savior.

2584
01:59:26,080 --> 01:59:30,240
Speaker 4: Uh but Brian, it's just like this is this is crazy.

2585
01:59:30,280 --> 01:59:33,680
Speaker 4: It's it's a movie. It's so much fun. It's hilarious.

2586
01:59:33,960 --> 01:59:37,040
Speaker 4: It's it's classic, you know, action movie star.

2587
01:59:38,000 --> 01:59:41,440
Speaker 1: But in our great debate of what is the best

2588
01:59:41,680 --> 01:59:45,360
Speaker 1: prime era, so the Golflick, Dude, it's marked for death

2589
01:59:45,480 --> 01:59:50,360
Speaker 1: because it's grimeer and more realistic. Just admit it, bro, I.

2590
01:59:50,280 --> 01:59:52,880
Speaker 4: Won't admit that. No, because I know you did it.

2591
01:59:52,960 --> 01:59:53,880
Speaker 4: I won't admit it.

2592
01:59:54,040 --> 01:59:54,360
Speaker 2: Brian.

2593
01:59:54,560 --> 01:59:59,840
Speaker 4: It's because for Justice just has NonStop action. It's in

2594
01:59:59,880 --> 02:00:03,560
Speaker 4: the The dialogue is ridiculously terrible. There's the sub plot

2595
02:00:03,920 --> 02:00:05,839
Speaker 4: with the guy who abuses the dogs.

2596
02:00:06,080 --> 02:00:10,200
Speaker 1: It's no no, okay, okay if you were mentioning it

2597
02:00:10,320 --> 02:00:13,560
Speaker 1: because of Triple G's age, But there's at least a

2598
02:00:13,680 --> 02:00:16,840
Speaker 1: twenty five percent chance that he can lure Canelo into

2599
02:00:16,880 --> 02:00:20,960
Speaker 1: an angry brawl and win the trilogy in Marquez Paquez

2600
02:00:21,480 --> 02:00:25,280
Speaker 1: Paqiez four fashion, just like many.

2601
02:00:25,360 --> 02:00:29,400
Speaker 4: Paqiez got knocked out in December twenty twelve. Brian, No,

2602
02:00:29,520 --> 02:00:32,160
Speaker 4: I look, I'm actually with you on this, So I

2603
02:00:32,160 --> 02:00:34,680
Speaker 4: say yes to this, not necessarily that I see it

2604
02:00:35,120 --> 02:00:39,200
Speaker 4: being playing out as Triple G luring Canelo into a brawl,

2605
02:00:39,680 --> 02:00:42,600
Speaker 4: but just that there there could even with Triple G's

2606
02:00:42,600 --> 02:00:45,920
Speaker 4: advanced age, fact that he hasn't looked nearly as good

2607
02:00:45,920 --> 02:00:48,120
Speaker 4: as he did, you know, five six years ago in

2608
02:00:48,120 --> 02:00:50,760
Speaker 4: his recent fights. All of that, we understand that Canelo

2609
02:00:50,800 --> 02:00:53,000
Speaker 4: will be favored big, and he will deserve to be

2610
02:00:53,640 --> 02:00:56,760
Speaker 4: given their recent form. But there's always that chance, and

2611
02:00:56,800 --> 02:01:00,720
Speaker 4: you're giving me a chance to quote my favorite Roger

2612
02:01:00,760 --> 02:01:05,120
Speaker 4: Mayweather line, which is from an interview before the before

2613
02:01:05,400 --> 02:01:10,480
Speaker 4: Mayweather Pakiao three, I think Mayweather before Pakiel Marquez three,

2614
02:01:11,400 --> 02:01:17,120
Speaker 4: and he says he says, sometimes guys are just made

2615
02:01:17,160 --> 02:01:19,080
Speaker 4: for each other. And I hope that that's the case

2616
02:01:19,120 --> 02:01:22,320
Speaker 4: with these two because they've given us two incredible fights.

2617
02:01:22,600 --> 02:01:24,840
Speaker 4: And if it's the case again, then fans are gonna

2618
02:01:25,080 --> 02:01:27,320
Speaker 4: fans are gonna win no matter who comes out to

2619
02:01:27,360 --> 02:01:28,000
Speaker 4: Victor in the bell.

2620
02:01:28,720 --> 02:01:32,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. Useef Mack used to say that as well. This Saturday,

2621
02:01:32,440 --> 02:01:35,200
Speaker 1: it's gonna be that quadruple header a PM Easter on Showtime.

2622
02:01:35,200 --> 02:01:39,240
Speaker 1: But if you tune in six pm Eastern on the youtubes,

2623
02:01:39,440 --> 02:01:42,920
Speaker 1: it's your boy BC and Keith One time, Thurman calling

2624
02:01:43,040 --> 02:01:45,960
Speaker 1: some prelim action from South Florida. So I set that

2625
02:01:46,080 --> 02:01:48,680
Speaker 1: up to ask you this, While both are a bit

2626
02:01:48,800 --> 02:01:52,720
Speaker 1: removed from their fighting primes, a Keith Thurman Danny Garcia

2627
02:01:52,760 --> 02:01:55,960
Speaker 1: rematch at one fifty four would still be nostalgic fun.

2628
02:01:56,760 --> 02:02:01,080
Speaker 4: So yes, yes, yes, And also the let's not undersell

2629
02:02:01,240 --> 02:02:04,080
Speaker 4: the real main event here, which is that pre lim

2630
02:02:04,240 --> 02:02:07,000
Speaker 4: call that you and Keith thurmant will be on. I

2631
02:02:07,000 --> 02:02:08,919
Speaker 4: mean it's gonna be a tug in war a kindness.

2632
02:02:09,200 --> 02:02:12,480
Speaker 4: We we the fans, cannot wait to see YouTube alter

2633
02:02:13,720 --> 02:02:16,120
Speaker 4: music together. Will you be bringing flutes?

2634
02:02:17,320 --> 02:02:20,440
Speaker 1: Oh man, that's uh yeah, he said he doesn't play

2635
02:02:20,440 --> 02:02:22,200
Speaker 1: it anymore. I'd love to see him grow back the

2636
02:02:22,240 --> 02:02:25,880
Speaker 1: long ponytail, and yeah, that'd be I should. I should

2637
02:02:25,920 --> 02:02:28,879
Speaker 1: bring a flute. Okay, now you know a wooden variety.

2638
02:02:28,960 --> 02:02:30,320
Speaker 1: All right, we got to keep it rolling here to

2639
02:02:30,720 --> 02:02:34,280
Speaker 1: round out this super show today. Andy Ruiz's decision to

2640
02:02:34,320 --> 02:02:37,040
Speaker 1: tat up his ass cheeks might actually have more to

2641
02:02:37,080 --> 02:02:40,880
Speaker 1: do with his post aj upset decline than all those

2642
02:02:40,960 --> 02:02:44,080
Speaker 1: chicken wings he famously ate at Downy Pizza that time.

2643
02:02:45,000 --> 02:02:48,400
Speaker 5: No, no, no, get your get your timeline, get your

2644
02:02:48,480 --> 02:02:52,480
Speaker 5: Ruiz timeline straight. Okay, the ass cheek tattoos did not

2645
02:02:52,720 --> 02:02:56,640
Speaker 5: appear until after the loss to AJ all right, he

2646
02:02:56,840 --> 02:03:00,880
Speaker 5: just had his regular destroyer script to cross the back

2647
02:03:00,960 --> 02:03:03,440
Speaker 5: the same tats we knew and loved from Andy, as

2648
02:03:03,440 --> 02:03:07,160
Speaker 5: well as an extra forty pounds and also get the

2649
02:03:07,320 --> 02:03:07,920
Speaker 5: meals right.

2650
02:03:07,960 --> 02:03:08,280
Speaker 2: All right.

2651
02:03:08,360 --> 02:03:13,240
Speaker 4: It was Postrami pizza, which Andy wouldn't eat because he.

2652
02:03:13,160 --> 02:03:14,800
Speaker 2: Was trying to watch his weight for the fight.

2653
02:03:14,920 --> 02:03:18,320
Speaker 4: But he was eating healthy with a giant plate of

2654
02:03:18,400 --> 02:03:19,720
Speaker 4: chicken alfredo pasta.

2655
02:03:19,800 --> 02:03:21,280
Speaker 2: I don't know how you come this is how.

2656
02:03:21,520 --> 02:03:24,000
Speaker 4: This is how you have a performance like Andy did

2657
02:03:24,040 --> 02:03:24,760
Speaker 4: in that rematch.

2658
02:03:25,360 --> 02:03:27,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was wild how big he was for that.

2659
02:03:27,240 --> 02:03:28,840
Speaker 1: I mean this. You got a Luis or Chiese pay

2660
02:03:28,840 --> 02:03:30,800
Speaker 1: per view coming up, which you know I could talk

2661
02:03:30,880 --> 02:03:33,720
Speaker 1: myself into, even though it's it's extra sloppy. We'll see

2662
02:03:33,760 --> 02:03:35,240
Speaker 1: what happens, all right, A couple more to get out

2663
02:03:35,280 --> 02:03:40,520
Speaker 1: of here. Unknowing showbox executives would probably allow me three

2664
02:03:41,080 --> 02:03:44,360
Speaker 1: load watch references on air before having a talk with

2665
02:03:44,400 --> 02:03:47,040
Speaker 1: me about public decency in the year twenty twenty.

2666
02:03:46,880 --> 02:03:51,120
Speaker 4: Two one, Brian, do you think so so? I think

2667
02:03:51,160 --> 02:03:54,280
Speaker 4: the I think yes on this because this this comes

2668
02:03:54,280 --> 02:03:57,240
Speaker 4: out in boxing all the time. It comes out unintentionally. Now,

2669
02:03:57,400 --> 02:04:00,600
Speaker 4: people might have an issue with you trying to to

2670
02:04:00,680 --> 02:04:04,839
Speaker 4: slide it in there knowingly, But I mean, I've heard,

2671
02:04:05,720 --> 02:04:08,600
Speaker 4: you know, I've heard commentators and analysts on Showtime broad

2672
02:04:08,680 --> 02:04:12,560
Speaker 4: Championship Boxing broadcast, let's let a load, watch slip here

2673
02:04:12,560 --> 02:04:12,920
Speaker 4: and there.

2674
02:04:13,080 --> 02:04:15,760
Speaker 1: It's part like, Lord, he's tired, he blew his load, right,

2675
02:04:15,800 --> 02:04:16,760
Speaker 1: That's what they're saying.

2676
02:04:16,720 --> 02:04:20,120
Speaker 4: Exactly, So, Brian, if it happens, if the load comes

2677
02:04:20,160 --> 02:04:22,480
Speaker 4: out that you know, you can't hold it in. There's

2678
02:04:22,480 --> 02:04:24,320
Speaker 4: not really anything you can do. That's the whole point

2679
02:04:24,440 --> 02:04:25,720
Speaker 4: of the exercise.

2680
02:04:26,920 --> 02:04:29,240
Speaker 1: There it is, there, it is all right. Here we

2681
02:04:29,280 --> 02:04:34,839
Speaker 1: go forget Tommy Fury or Hassim Rockman. Junior hardcore boxing

2682
02:04:34,880 --> 02:04:37,840
Speaker 1: fans know the real fight for Jake Paul has been

2683
02:04:37,880 --> 02:04:41,560
Speaker 1: and still is unbeaten. Troll Charlie Zellenoff.

2684
02:04:57,160 --> 02:05:10,520
Speaker 4: No have killed once fighting Deontay Wilder in a gym.

2685
02:05:10,840 --> 02:05:13,920
Speaker 4: Do you realize how dangerous that could have been, how

2686
02:05:13,960 --> 02:05:17,080
Speaker 4: awful it could have been? For Wilder's been awful. This

2687
02:05:17,160 --> 02:05:19,880
Speaker 4: is you know, Charlie's zelling Off. I hope you are

2688
02:05:19,880 --> 02:05:23,160
Speaker 4: well wherever you are, and I never want to think

2689
02:05:23,160 --> 02:05:26,240
Speaker 4: about you in in the terms of professional boxing again.

2690
02:05:27,680 --> 02:05:31,080
Speaker 1: Okay, there's a bonus one here. This all female boxing

2691
02:05:31,120 --> 02:05:34,080
Speaker 1: card headlined by Clarissa Shields and Savannah Marshall is a

2692
02:05:34,120 --> 02:05:36,480
Speaker 1: really nice idea, but there's no chance Raf will be

2693
02:05:36,520 --> 02:05:44,240
Speaker 1: watching all it was great. That's it. You're not a missagist.

2694
02:05:44,280 --> 02:05:47,080
Speaker 1: That's a joke for the old school Podwe's there. It

2695
02:05:47,160 --> 02:05:49,840
Speaker 1: is right there. Rayf loves him some of that. Hey,

2696
02:05:49,840 --> 02:05:51,520
Speaker 1: by the way, that video feature you guys did for

2697
02:05:51,560 --> 02:05:55,560
Speaker 1: Texas Monthly on Jenny Fuse, US amateur star turn turned

2698
02:05:55,560 --> 02:05:56,800
Speaker 1: top ranked fighter was good.

2699
02:05:57,240 --> 02:05:59,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, Houston based Jenny Fuchs back when she was going

2700
02:05:59,360 --> 02:06:01,560
Speaker 4: into the Olympic couple of years last year on whatever

2701
02:06:01,560 --> 02:06:04,240
Speaker 4: it was she you know, I mean, it's as you

2702
02:06:04,280 --> 02:06:07,280
Speaker 4: talk about someone struggling or managing a mental health issue,

2703
02:06:07,400 --> 02:06:12,560
Speaker 4: got her OCD. Seeing her, you know, clean dozens of

2704
02:06:13,680 --> 02:06:17,200
Speaker 4: toothbrushes every day, it kind of it brings it gives

2705
02:06:17,200 --> 02:06:20,360
Speaker 4: you this really vivid idea of the kind of you know,

2706
02:06:20,520 --> 02:06:23,120
Speaker 4: the the challenges that she goes through.

2707
02:06:24,960 --> 02:06:26,800
Speaker 1: No question about it. Ra, if you've gone through some

2708
02:06:26,920 --> 02:06:30,200
Speaker 1: challenges with that left hand, we hope it heals. I'm

2709
02:06:30,200 --> 02:06:32,120
Speaker 1: sure we love your work on Texas Monthly if we

2710
02:06:32,160 --> 02:06:34,680
Speaker 1: see it. But you know it's a close here. If

2711
02:06:34,680 --> 02:06:36,720
Speaker 1: a boxing fan said, hey, Ray, if you're a New

2712
02:06:36,800 --> 02:06:41,320
Speaker 1: York Times bestselling author, we've read your books on basketball, Penoise,

2713
02:06:41,800 --> 02:06:44,440
Speaker 1: fathers and sons. When are we going to read that

2714
02:06:44,480 --> 02:06:46,480
Speaker 1: boxing book? Bro? When are we going to read that

2715
02:06:46,520 --> 02:06:47,120
Speaker 1: boxing book?

2716
02:06:49,040 --> 02:06:51,160
Speaker 4: I would, if I'm being honest, I would say never.

2717
02:06:51,160 --> 02:06:53,360
Speaker 4: I would love to write several books on boxing. They're

2718
02:06:53,400 --> 02:06:56,080
Speaker 4: great books about boxing, but you know you need to

2719
02:06:56,080 --> 02:06:58,680
Speaker 4: be able to sell it. And I mean, you know,

2720
02:06:59,320 --> 02:07:01,240
Speaker 4: I put it his way. I got a lot of

2721
02:07:01,280 --> 02:07:03,320
Speaker 4: love for the Hamilcar people. I ain't gonna be writing

2722
02:07:03,320 --> 02:07:04,440
Speaker 4: no Hamilcar books.

2723
02:07:04,840 --> 02:07:06,800
Speaker 1: Okay, there you have it right there. I would love

2724
02:07:06,840 --> 02:07:08,840
Speaker 1: to see you more in the podcast game, maybe as

2725
02:07:08,880 --> 02:07:09,680
Speaker 1: a guest on this show.

2726
02:07:09,720 --> 02:07:13,720
Speaker 4: I don't know, you know, you know you Brian like

2727
02:07:13,720 --> 02:07:14,720
Speaker 4: likes Tyson Fury.

2728
02:07:15,200 --> 02:07:17,560
Speaker 2: You say jump, I will ask how high. I'm always

2729
02:07:17,640 --> 02:07:18,040
Speaker 2: out for you.

2730
02:07:18,040 --> 02:07:21,240
Speaker 1: Bro, always indeed a big fan of yours out there

2731
02:07:21,240 --> 02:07:23,160
Speaker 1: in Detroit. Hope you're doing well. We should hang out

2732
02:07:23,160 --> 02:07:25,720
Speaker 1: in real life sometime too. I mean maybe maybe we should.

2733
02:07:25,840 --> 02:07:30,480
Speaker 1: Please all right, Raf bugs, enjoy the fights this weekend?

2734
02:07:30,520 --> 02:07:32,760
Speaker 1: Oosik Joshua too. Do you have anything to plug on

2735
02:07:32,800 --> 02:07:33,200
Speaker 1: the way out?

2736
02:07:34,280 --> 02:07:36,320
Speaker 4: Uh, you know, shoot check out if you if you

2737
02:07:36,360 --> 02:07:38,360
Speaker 4: if you've never seen me before, and don't hate me

2738
02:07:38,440 --> 02:07:38,840
Speaker 4: by now.

2739
02:07:39,040 --> 02:07:40,000
Speaker 2: Uh you know, I.

2740
02:07:39,960 --> 02:07:42,880
Speaker 4: Did write three books that I'm proud of, Pacific Rims

2741
02:07:43,160 --> 02:07:46,680
Speaker 4: two and two and Basketball Love Story and as a

2742
02:07:46,680 --> 02:07:48,600
Speaker 4: big if you want to check out my name. I've

2743
02:07:48,600 --> 02:07:51,280
Speaker 4: written a lot of stuff online about boxing and basketball,

2744
02:07:51,560 --> 02:07:52,600
Speaker 4: a lot of stuff in between.

2745
02:07:52,720 --> 02:07:53,640
Speaker 2: So I'm out there.

2746
02:07:53,760 --> 02:07:56,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I couldn't plug your your second book anymore,

2747
02:07:56,840 --> 02:07:59,200
Speaker 1: the two and two of mcsorley's My Dad and Me.

2748
02:07:59,320 --> 02:08:01,480
Speaker 1: It's a it's a hell of a sot. Here's a

2749
02:08:01,480 --> 02:08:03,760
Speaker 1: lot of people that I wouldn't expect that have heard

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Speaker 1: of that book because they love mcstory so much and

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Speaker 1: have like a deep personal connection. RAF.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'm very lucky to be part of that special

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Speaker 4: tradition as well as this one.

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Speaker 1: I hope Mark Kriegel once day, one day does an

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Speaker 1: ESPN feature on the experience between your father and you.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're good friends. I love your daddy, but

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Speaker 1: we gotta go. That's RAF bugs. Thank you to Aaron

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Speaker 1: Bronsteader for filling in. Hopefully Luke Thomas and joined the

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Speaker 1: vacation will be back later this week. You're gonna see

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Speaker 1: me Saturday night, South Florida Me Keith Thurman, six pm Eastern,

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Speaker 1: Showtime Chop Championship Boxing prelims. Don't miss that. You can

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Speaker 1: stream Showtime right now thirty days free. Go to showtime

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Speaker 1: dot com. You're not gonna want to miss Figureoa versus

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Speaker 1: Lippin yet. It's gonna be a banger this Saturday night.

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Speaker 1: That's all for now. I've got two words. Ray for

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Speaker 1: the people. You want to say him No, okay, we

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Speaker 1: out what you're gonna do about that.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: I love it, over it, over close the show already,

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Speaker 1: it's over. I don't want to do this anymore.