1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. 3 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 2: All right, second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off 4 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 2: in this moment. Thanks for being here with us. And 5 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 2: we told you we'd dive in immigration. 6 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:13,319 Speaker 1: We're going to do that right now. 7 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 2: So the number is stunning, but I have to say 8 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 2: not surprising. Border patrol putting out that in the last month, 9 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 2: September of twenty twenty three, last month for which we 10 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:33,639 Speaker 2: have data, you have an all time how they call 11 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:38,520 Speaker 2: them encounters. Understand that every encounter is actually the act 12 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 2: of an illegal crossing. We have border crossings, we have footbridge, 13 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 2: we have roads, we have ways to get into the 14 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 2: country legally. 15 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: People are just coming across the border. 16 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 2: And the number which is a violation of federal law, 17 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 2: and the number of people who did so in September 18 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 2: is an all time high of two hundred and thirty thousand. 19 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 2: Two hundred and thirty thousand people crossed into the US 20 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 2: last month alone. 21 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: This is stunning. 22 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 2: Remember you're adding that to the call it six million 23 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 2: who have already entered the country in three years of 24 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 2: Biden's first of Biden's term, Let's hope just term one 25 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 2: three years, about six million, two hundred and thirty thousand 26 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 2: last month. To put this into perspective, everybody, the official number, 27 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 2: and they used to base this off of census data, 28 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 2: has been roughly eleven million illegals certainly for the last decade. 29 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 2: Now that number I always thought was low, and I've 30 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 2: actually Clay had the experience of asking members, longtime members 31 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 2: of Border Patrol, what do you guys think about that 32 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 2: eleven point something million number? And they all laugh and 33 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 2: they're like, it's you know, double that at least at 34 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 2: least because they just say, look what we're seeing every day. 35 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 2: Do the math yourselves. There's not some mass self deportation 36 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 2: that is going that is going on. So when we 37 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 2: start to compile the data, looking at the numbers, you 38 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 2: will have had a almost fifty percent increase in the 39 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 2: official number of illegals in the country over decades, occurring 40 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 2: in three years of Biden. So it took us, let's say, 41 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:31,359 Speaker 2: from the early nineties to twenty ten, it took us 42 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 2: that period of time to get to about eleven or 43 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 2: twelve million, and we will have added six or seven 44 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 2: million in three years of Biden. Okay, So this is 45 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,519 Speaker 2: a pace that we've never seen before, and it's completely 46 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 2: out of control. Now what does it look like? 47 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: Clay? 48 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 2: Right, So there's the aggregate number, and then there's the 49 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 2: how does this play out in terms of the impact 50 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 2: on cities? And this is why it used to be, well, 51 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 2: we don't know, and you know, migrants, maybe they're just 52 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 2: doing the jobs Americans won't do. And there are all 53 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 2: these things they used to say, Oh, it's fine, there's 54 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 2: no drain on resources. Here's an example of what you're 55 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 2: talking of what we're dealing with. Play in New York 56 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 2: City right now, this is a this is cut I 57 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 2: think twenty five, twenty three, something like that. The number 58 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 2: of patients have you seen this? Oh, you already know 59 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 2: the number is going to ask you to guess. 60 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: I saw the headline, so I but I would. I would. 61 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: This is extraordinary and in a bad way. 62 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,239 Speaker 2: So the number of people in the New York City 63 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 2: hospital system that the percentage of people who are illegals 64 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 2: is twenty five percent right now? 65 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: Play it. 66 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 3: The border crisis surging officials telling NBC News there were 67 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 3: over two hundred thousand illegal crossings at the southern border 68 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 3: last month and a record three million migrants across the 69 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 3: border in the last year. Now a new warning one 70 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 3: thousand miles away in New. 71 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 4: York City, where officials tell us resources are overwhelmed. Across 72 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 4: public hospitals in New York City, a quarter the patients 73 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 4: are now migrants. Over the last year, nearly thirty thousand 74 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 4: visits by migrants and three hundred new babies born to 75 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 4: migrant moms. 76 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 2: Clay, thirty thousand hospital visits yeah, this year by these migrants, 77 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 2: thirty thousand. Twenty five percent of people in the hospital 78 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 2: system are migrants, you know, And I'm sorry, I've had 79 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 2: this experience before in New York City of having to 80 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 2: go to the emergency room and you know, really really 81 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 2: need to get some help, and you sit there an hour, 82 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 2: two hours, six hours, ten hours, and people say, well, 83 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 2: what's going on. This is a part of it, This 84 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 2: is part of what's driving and certainly more now, more 85 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 2: than ever, it's outrageous, and the ruling class has no 86 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 2: answers here, Clay, other than to lie. 87 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: Well, and this is also interesting. 88 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 5: I'm sure you saw Mayor Eric Adams, I think we 89 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 5: mentioned this on the show yesterday, is now going to 90 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 5: travel to Mexico and points further south. Telling everybody don't 91 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 5: come to New York City. How is that going to 92 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 5: work when you just had the Biden administration tell everybody 93 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 5: from Venezuela who was here before July thirty first, Hey 94 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 5: you can now go get jobs. And I mean he's 95 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 5: traveling to at least he's trying. Kamala Harris a few 96 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 5: years ago actually went down after she got humiliated in 97 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 5: that interview where where NBC Lester Holtz. I think it 98 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 5: was right who called her out and pointed out that 99 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 5: she really hadn't done anything as the borders are Biden 100 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 5: to my knowledge, correct me if I'm wrong. Buck has 101 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 5: been to the border once in like the last fifteen years, 102 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 5: and that was for a short and I'll passo if 103 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 5: I remember correctly, like kind of walk along the border. 104 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: He didn't do anything of any substantial import. 105 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 5: He hasn't traveled to Latin America and tried to solve 106 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 5: this issue. Kamala Harris hasn't been there in a long time. 107 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 5: Mack Adams is at least going down and actually making 108 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 5: a trip all the way, I believe, from Mexico City 109 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 5: down to the Darien Gap to see it for himself 110 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 5: and get media attention. And tell people not to come. 111 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 5: But all that's going to do, I think is further 112 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 5: encourage people to go, because now they're going to say, oh, 113 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 5: the mayor of New York City is down here. Telling 114 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 5: people not to come is not going to work. You 115 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 5: have to eliminate the incentive structure. Jobs and and birthright 116 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 5: citizenship are the two incentive structures that encourage people to 117 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 5: come north. 118 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 1: And as long as those both exist, people are going 119 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:33,559 Speaker 1: to keep coming. 120 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 2: So two hundred and thirty thousand illegals enter last month, Clay, 121 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 2: I will make a guess because it's a little specific here, 122 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 2: but Immigrations and Customs Enforcement, according to this is a 123 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 2: pull this up on the Wall Street Journal. They have 124 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 2: these stats. Immigration and custom Enforcement in twenty twenty two 125 00:06:56,320 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 2: deported seventy two thousand people. So in one month, now, 126 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 2: that was twenty twenty two. I know we're in twenty 127 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 2: twenty three, but let's just give it a sense. In 128 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 2: the entire fiscal year twenty twenty two, they deported a 129 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 2: grand total from the entire country, and that includes you know, 130 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 2: people that are violent criminals and felons and gang members 131 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 2: and everything else. They deported one third the number of 132 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 2: illegals we just got last month. So if anyone wants 133 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 2: to know, like what's really going on here, this is 134 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 2: a total abdication of our sovereignty, a total refusal to 135 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 2: enforce the rule of law at the border. And I 136 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 2: think the Democrats are are stuck play because you know, 137 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 2: their base doesn't actually want this to stop. That's the 138 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 2: part of it that's so you know, so insane. 139 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: Well, it's a lot like crime. 140 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 5: People make decisions that make them feel better so long 141 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 5: as they aren't impacted by it. 142 00:07:58,040 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: And this is what's good. 143 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 5: I mean, I see a completely as connected because we've 144 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 5: created a world where you say one thing, because it's 145 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,239 Speaker 5: the right opinion to have, Oh. 146 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: We should have the open borders. 147 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 5: We should limit the amount of time that we're trying 148 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 5: to put people behind bars, because you have private security, 149 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 5: for instance, you have a gate, you have very reliable police. 150 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,239 Speaker 5: In the richest communities in America, they didn't defund police, 151 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 5: they went and hired more. When guys decided they didn't 152 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 5: want to work in violent crime areas, they moved to 153 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 5: low crime areas, got good jobs and good pensions and 154 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 5: good opportunities for them and their family, and so they 155 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 5: can live behind in their gated community with their private 156 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:47,239 Speaker 5: security guards and their ample police forces, and say oh, 157 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 5: let's defund the police, knowing that it's not going to 158 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,719 Speaker 5: impact them. And simultaneously, Buck, they can say, oh, we 159 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 5: should have open borders because in the grand scheme of things, 160 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 5: it doesn't really change their life. Maybe maybe you get 161 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 5: a little bit cheaper groundskeeper for your mansion. 162 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: Right. 163 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 5: I mean, this is the way that they are thinking. 164 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 5: It's a and this is my big concern in America today, Buck, 165 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 5: and we were talking about this off air. We have 166 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 5: created a consequence free American life, by which I mean 167 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 5: anyone who ever said defund the police is not smart 168 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 5: enough to be able to, in my opinion, hold the 169 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 5: elective office. And there should be consequences anyone who said, hey, 170 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 5: let's go take the rims off basketball hoops and keep 171 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 5: kids from being able to play basketball outside during COVID, 172 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 5: they should not be able to continue to represent people. Instead, 173 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 5: people aren't looking at results, They're just looking at what 174 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 5: team you're on. And as a result, there are no 175 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 5: consequences for clearly failed public policy. And that's going on 176 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 5: at the border, that's going on with crime, that happened 177 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,959 Speaker 5: with COVID. We live in a consequence free universe, and 178 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 5: that's why I've used this analogy. Buck, your high school 179 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 5: football coach is held to a higher standard of behavior 180 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 5: than the governor of Michigan is or the governor of 181 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 5: California because they're Democrats and what they actually do doesn't 182 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 5: matter because they're on the right tribe. 183 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: That should be scary to everyone. 184 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 2: And what we've seen and we started to get in 185 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,319 Speaker 2: this conversation at the end of the last hour on crime, 186 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 2: it's true about immigration as well, is I think that 187 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 2: there was a There are always two components of this. 188 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 2: There are the true believers who think that we can 189 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 2: change the rules or we can do these things and 190 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 2: it's not going to have the negative impact. So crime 191 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 2: won't get worse, illegal immigration won't get worse. We can 192 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 2: change the rules and it won't turn into the debacles 193 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 2: that we see on those two issues. I think there 194 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 2: are also people, though, who are a different kind of 195 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 2: true believer, who lie to everybody about what their true 196 00:10:58,200 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 2: intentions are with this. And that's what I was getting 197 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 2: at with some of the Soros prosecutors and their view 198 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 2: of things. They think that whether it's on the issue 199 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,719 Speaker 2: of crime or the issue of immigration. The rules that 200 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:14,319 Speaker 2: we have are actually a problem. The system itself is 201 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 2: a problem. It's not like, oh, we're trying to get 202 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 2: to the same place of low crime and a secure border. 203 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 2: It's just different pathways. There are true believers on the 204 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 2: left who think that we should be an open borders state, 205 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 2: an open borders country, and clay that we should abolish prisons. 206 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 2: The true leftist social justice reformers believe in and they 207 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 2: use the word very intentionally abolition of police and abolition 208 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 2: of prisons. And that is insane, I know, but you 209 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 2: will find it. You will hear people talking about it. 210 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 2: That is what the true leftists think in this police 211 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 2: reform movement. So they bring other people along by saying, 212 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 2: come on, guys, let's just change this a little bit. 213 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 2: Nothing bad is really going to happen. I mean, it's fine, 214 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 2: It's all gonna be fine. 215 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 4: Now. 216 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:05,079 Speaker 2: What we see is the results happening on immigration. It 217 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 2: couldn't be any more clear. And I go back and forth. 218 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 2: They either convinced themselves it doesn't affect them to your point, 219 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 2: or they're just too stubborn and too narcissistic to admit 220 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 2: that they were wrong, which I think is a big 221 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 2: part of, for example, what happened on COVID. But that's 222 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 2: where we are now. They won't admit that they've gotten 223 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 2: this thing completely wrong or this is what they wanted 224 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 2: all along. 225 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 5: Well, and also Buck, this is the frustrating thing. Wh's 226 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 5: just a big circle, right, I mean, somebody could make 227 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 5: this circle, and we've gone through it before because people 228 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 5: finally got fed up in the late eighties and early 229 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:47,319 Speaker 5: nineties with surging violent crime, and so they said, we're 230 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 5: going to put the criminals in prison, and so crime 231 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 5: rights go down. 232 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: New York City, where you grew up, is a perfect 233 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: example of this. Right. 234 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 5: People got so fed up with the lack of safety 235 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 5: and security in New York City that they elected a 236 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 5: law and order mayor who plate positions and policies and 237 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 5: protocols in place that led to much safer streets. And 238 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 5: then what happens, big circle. Much safer streets lead to 239 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,839 Speaker 5: the luxury of being concerned that being tough on crimes 240 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 5: is racist. So you're saying that, oh it's racist to 241 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 5: be tough on crime. Then you can put people back 242 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 5: on the streets. Crime starts to go back up, and 243 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,599 Speaker 5: you go right back into the circle again where you 244 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 5: say we got to put criminals back behind bars. It's 245 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 5: all so easily and predictably clear what is going to happen. 246 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 5: But it's like the late eighties and the early nineties 247 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 5: didn't happen, so we're back on the same cycle all 248 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 5: over again. 249 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 2: I remember when there were people who were hitting Joe 250 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 2: Biden for the nineties crime bill when he was running 251 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty from the right. If a lot of 252 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 2: us are sitting around saying no, no, no, guys, that was 253 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 2: actually good the. 254 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 5: One thing Joe Bidens might have gotten right in his career, 255 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 5: but the circle has so worked around where he had 256 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,559 Speaker 5: to repudiate that because now it's considered to be racist. 257 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 5: And I just think the ultimate close out of all 258 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 5: that argument is just watch the minds explode when you say, yeah, 259 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 5: you know, systemic racism may be a thing when it's policing, 260 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 5: but what I'm really focused on is systemic sexism, because 261 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 5: women should be getting arrested way more for violent crimes 262 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 5: than they are, I mean ninety five percent. And just 263 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 5: make that argument like kind of deadpan, and just see, 264 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 5: like you can start to see their brains explode. Because 265 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 5: police arrest criminals and women are far less violent than 266 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 5: men are, and so, but nobody says, oh, it's systemic 267 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 5: sexism that ninety five percent or higher of the people 268 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 5: arrested for violent crimes are men. We all understand men 269 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 5: commit far more violent crimes. 270 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: It's it's a good argument. Eight h two two eight 271 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: A two. 272 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 2: Give us a call. 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There is a motion basically to 297 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 5: end McCarthy's run as Speaker of the House that has 298 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:11,239 Speaker 5: been put forward by Congressman Mac Gates of Florida Democrats. 299 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 5: People were unsure how Democrats were going to vote on this. 300 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 5: It now based on the headlines here, it appears that 301 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 5: all Democrats are going to vote against Kevin McCarthy continuing 302 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 5: as speaker. 303 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: That means, and. 304 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 5: It appears there are at least five Republicans who are 305 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 5: going to vote against him too. It means that Kevin 306 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 5: McCarthy's speakership may be done. Here's my concern, Buck, it 307 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 5: doesn't seem like there's any plan in place. At all 308 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 5: to replace McCarthy or bring all Republicans together behind any candidate. 309 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 5: My concern becomes, and I'll just float this out there, 310 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 5: that Republicans could screw this up to the point where 311 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 5: eventually some Republicans end up siding with potentially a Democrat 312 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 5: moderate speak. I just I don't know how this is 313 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 5: going to play out, and it feels like a huge 314 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 5: distraction and a huge mess at a time when Democrats 315 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 5: have got a lot of things going badly, and now 316 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 5: Republicans are going to turn the story into Republican circus. 317 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 2: I enjoy that in this moment we have a little reversal. 318 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 2: I get to be the optimist in that I think 319 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 2: Republicans are incompetent in Congress play. But I don't think 320 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 2: they're that incompetent. But I wouldn't make a stake bet 321 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 2: on it. But I am hopeful that what you were 322 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 2: saying will not I mean, because going into election, can 323 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 2: you imagine what does it do to people's psychology on 324 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 2: the right if we have a majority in the House 325 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 2: and somehow you ended up with a Democrat Speaker of 326 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 2: the House. They they will avoid this, they will avoid this. 327 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,360 Speaker 2: They have to avoid this. Like it can't be that. 328 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 2: Oh gosh, they can't be that incompetent. I don't feel 329 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 2: like there's a plan. And when there's no plan, it 330 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 2: makes me nervous. Buck with all that's going on in 331 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 2: DC right now, you know, we're just talking about it 332 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 2: all the incompetence. Don't forget that they've got things they're planning. 333 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 2: They may not be talking about that much out loud. 334 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 2: You may be missing something if you don't know about this. 335 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 2: There's a possible forthcoming announcement from the Treasury Department. According 336 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 2: to former Wall Street insider and digital currency expert Take 337 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 2: It to Wari, our Treasury could introduce a new form 338 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 2: of currency to our nation. Dollars would be replaced with 339 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 2: digital dollars. 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You know? 350 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 2: Okay, I think Matt has planned this all along. It 351 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 2: didn't matter what we transpired, you know, he would have 352 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 2: done it the year and shut down or not. I 353 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 2: firmly believe it's the right decision. 354 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 4: To keep government open, to make sure our military is 355 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 4: still paid, our border agents are still paid. 356 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 3: And if that makes a challenge. 357 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 2: Based upon whether I should be speaker, I'll take that fight. Yeah, 358 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 2: calling his bluff. That was Speaker of the House Kevin McCarthy. 359 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 2: And there's reporting right now that there could be as 360 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 2: many as seven seven Republicans who may go. Now, this 361 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 2: is all may and by the time people are listening tonight, 362 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:47,959 Speaker 2: maybe on the podcast, literally'll know this. But we're doing 363 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 2: the show live, as you know, they made defect from 364 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 2: McCarthy and he could be removed as Speaker of the House. 365 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 2: Clay before we dive into Matt Gates is leading this charge. 366 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:08,959 Speaker 2: I remember Gates was a holdout if if memory serves correctly, 367 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 2: Gates was a holdout against McCarthy back when McCarthy was 368 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 2: up for the Speaker's gabble the first time around, What 369 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 2: is pushing this? Why is this happening? Here is Matt 370 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 2: Gates saying that there's a secret side deal on Ukraine 371 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 2: and play clip eleven. 372 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 7: What was the secret side deal on Ukraine? House Democrats 373 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 7: and President Biden have said that as Speaker McCarthy was 374 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 7: asking Republicans to vote for a continuing resolution so as 375 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 7: to avoid having to take the Senates plus up in 376 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 7: Ukraine money, that the Speaker of the House was actually 377 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 7: cutting a side deal to bring Ukraine legislation to this 378 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 7: floor with President Biden and House Democrats. So mister speaker, 379 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 7: just tell us, just tell us what was in the 380 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 7: secret Ukraine side deal? 381 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 2: Clay, Oh, this looks like it is going to be 382 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 2: a showdown that happens today. And here is the fundamental problem. Actually, 383 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 2: Kevin McCarthy said, let's play one more and then you can. 384 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 2: Here's Kevin McCarthy saying, here's the problem with voting this. 385 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 2: The current speaker out, who's going to be the speaker next? 386 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: Play ten? 387 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,199 Speaker 2: That doesn't have anybody Matt's focuses try to just remove me, 388 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 2: which is difficult in the place of where we have 389 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,640 Speaker 2: forty five more days to be able to fund government 390 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 2: to be able to secure our borders, eliminate the wasteful spinning. Okay, 391 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 2: what happens if they're successful in this speaker coup? 392 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 5: Here's my concern, Buck One, this whole fight distracts from 393 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 5: what is really Democrat failures on so many different fronts 394 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 5: because it's internescent civil war inside the Republican Party. That's 395 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 5: one second part here. My concern is, how do you 396 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 5: end up with a new speaker. Anger is not a strategy. 397 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 5: Anger is an emotion. It's enjoyable sometimes when you're angry, 398 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 5: if you feel like you have been ill treated that 399 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 5: there need to be consequences. 400 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: But at some point there has to be a plan. 401 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 5: I've not heard anybody else, I mean, correct me if 402 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 5: I'm wrong, Buck speak of the second in charge, Steve 403 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 5: Scalise is dealing with severe cancer treatment, right, I mean, 404 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 5: he is not healthy. We wish him well, but I 405 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 5: don't think he would say, oh, I can take on 406 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 5: the responsibility of being Speaker of the House. Who is 407 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:52,360 Speaker 5: Matt Gates's candidate to replace Kevin McCarthy. And my concern is, 408 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 5: as this prolongs and you potentially have a vacancy for speaker, 409 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 5: is there some sort of middle of the road candidate 410 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 5: that Democrats get behind. And remember, you only have a 411 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 5: five vote majority. So this was the tenuous spot that 412 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 5: McCarthy found himself in in the first place. It took 413 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 5: I think fifteen ballots if I remember correctly, for him 414 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 5: to end up Speaker of the House in the first place. 415 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 5: Is there a possibility that Republicans could bungle this to 416 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 5: the point where some Republicans who are in swing congressional 417 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 5: districts and are looking already towards one year from now, 418 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 5: we're basically halfway through their terms, that they decide, hey, 419 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 5: you know what, we'll support a moderate Democrat for Speaker 420 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 5: of the House. I hope it doesn't get to that. 421 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 5: That is such a red line, and especially in a 422 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 5: presidential election year. 423 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: I never want to. 424 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 2: Underestimate Republicans' ability to seize defeat from the jaws of victory, though, 425 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 2: I mean, I do think, what's the the old line, 426 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 2: they never missed an opportunity, to miss an opportunity. You know, 427 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 2: There's there's a lot of things you could say, particularly 428 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 2: about Republican leadership in Congress that is true and and 429 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 2: worth keeping in mind as we go forward here. But 430 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 2: there's not a lot of anything that's going to happen 431 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 2: other than funding the government between now and the election anyway. 432 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,199 Speaker 2: So this feels from a congressional standpoint, right, there's not 433 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 2: gonna be any big legislation. Remember, Republicans have a majority 434 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 2: of the House, so it's not like Biden can try 435 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 2: to get one more big something or other bill through. 436 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 2: This is the one fight that they're likely to have 437 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 2: over overfunding issues before people get to vote on members 438 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 2: of Congress again. And I think Clay in this instance, 439 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 2: this a lot of this is personal. You know, It's 440 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 2: one thing when you're a real student of history, what 441 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 2: you see is, you know, states rise and fall. You'd 442 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:59,120 Speaker 2: like to think it's all about grand strategy and and 443 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 2: the the destiny of various nations and stuff like that. 444 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 2: Sometimes you just have leaders who really don't like each other, 445 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 2: or you have two people, you know, you know, the 446 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 2: king and his closest advisor, or you know, the first 447 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 2: cousin of the king challenges him, or whatever it may be. 448 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: I think that there's a personal. 449 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 2: Animis between Gates and McCarthy that is driving a lot 450 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 2: of this. I think that is a serious component of it. 451 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 2: I think that this is Gates doesn't like McCarthy. McCarthy 452 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 2: doesn't like Gates, and they're just having it out right now. 453 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 2: And you don't need that many people to go along 454 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 2: with Gates to get McCarthy ousted a speaker. 455 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: So I would just like to know who's going to 456 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: end up the new speaker. 457 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 5: Is there any plan out there if McCarthy is voted 458 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 5: out again? Steve Scalise not healthy and able to rise 459 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 5: to the job. We wish him well. Jim Jordan doesn't 460 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 5: want the job and seems to have a decent relationship 461 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 5: with Jim Jordan. 462 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Green. 463 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 5: Also, who is the candidate that they're going to be 464 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 5: able to get the votes for. 465 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 2: I mean, there's uh Emma is the House Republican whip 466 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 2: out of Minnesota. There's McK henry out of North Carolina. 467 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 2: You know there are options, right There are options. As 468 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 2: you noted, it's police because of health reasons, is otherwise? 469 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 2: I think he he would be the most likely and 470 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 2: and would probably be you know, acceptable to the Republicans 471 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 2: I think, who are in this role of insurgent right now, 472 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 2: so you know it'll all be okay. I do not 473 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 2: think we'll end up with the Democrats. Can you imagine 474 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 2: imagine if they, like somehow Nancy Pelosi managed to just. 475 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: Well, I think it would be Keem Jefferies, right. 476 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 2: I I'm just saying this is that this is crazy 477 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 2: town that we're even talking about it. It'll be a Republican. 478 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: If you are in a swing district and this thing 479 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: just keeps going. I don't know. 480 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 5: I mean, remember they still they've only funded the government 481 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 5: through mid November, right or whatever the date is, Like 482 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 5: they didn't actually resolve now, he didn't have a shutdown 483 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 5: at all. I just I don't have a sense for 484 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 5: what do people want? Right If you and I were 485 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 5: the mediators here, Buck, and on one side is Matt 486 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 5: Gates and on the other side is Kevin McCarthy, I 487 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 5: don't have any sense for what the Gates faction wants 488 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 5: that the McCarthy faction is unwilling to give, and what 489 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,360 Speaker 5: McCarthy wants from Gates that the Gates fashion is unwilling 490 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 5: to give. 491 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 1: So that makes sense, Like. 492 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 2: I known, funding is is the thing that they're really 493 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:37,880 Speaker 2: focusing in on. I'll say that, you know, it's interesting, 494 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 2: there aren't that many people that I see in the Republicans. 495 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 2: A lot of people criticize funding to Ukraine, and I 496 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 2: get that. I understand that. I on this show was 497 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 2: saying all that stuff about how Russia is going to 498 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 2: be defeated. And remember the first month of this war, 499 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 2: it was they stopped them in the outskirts of Kiev. 500 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 2: And now they're gonna, you know, kick them out of 501 00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 2: the country and they're gonna take back Crimea. And this 502 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 2: will be over in months. This war is going to 503 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 2: take years, and the US is going to end up 504 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 2: spending hundreds of billions, perhaps up to a trillion dollars 505 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,880 Speaker 2: supporting the Ukrainian side of this equation. But you don't 506 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 2: hear that many Republicans who will say, or at least 507 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 2: who will take actions that show that they will just 508 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 2: cut off funding right away. That's definitely not much here. 509 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 2: When Donald Trump speaks about what he would do, he 510 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 2: says he would negotiate an end to it. He would 511 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 2: negotiate a an immediate ceasefire and some kind of a 512 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 2: peace deal. So you know how much of this is 513 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 2: posturing even over the Ukraine funding is what I'm getting at. 514 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 2: You know how much of this is people in a 515 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 2: moment where there's not a lot of other major political 516 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 2: stories want to get attention and build their bona fides 517 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 2: for being the ones that are willing to stop the 518 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 2: forever warriors. 519 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. No, I totally get it. 520 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 5: The challenge is, to my understanding, basically, it's fifty to 521 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 5: fifty in the Republican Party on whether people want to 522 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 5: continue to fund Ukraine, right, So it's not as if 523 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 5: you can you can get a resolution on that. 524 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 2: I wonder what the correlation is between Trump supporting the 525 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 2: primary and cessation of Ukraine funding, because about fifty percent 526 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 2: of the party supports Trump already, Yeah, right, fifty percent 527 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 2: of Republican primary voters. I wonder if it's I would 528 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 2: bet it's very high that the people that want Ukraine 529 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 2: funding to end are overwhelming the collect You're not voting 530 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 2: for Nicki Haley if you want Ukraine funding to end, right, 531 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 2: You're not. I don't think you're voting for Tim Scott 532 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 2: if you want Ukraine funding, Dan Well. 533 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 5: What's also interesting is Trump had supported McCarthy for the 534 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 5: speakership back in the day, like he had actually worked 535 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 5: to try to get the House to come to come 536 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 5: to join him in his speakerdom. 537 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 2: So we had him on the show and he came 538 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 2: out of the gates. 539 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: No pun intended there with Matt Gates, you know situation. 540 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 2: You know, he came out of the gates blasting. 541 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know so, And maybe it's just bucket and 542 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 5: that also, like again, anger is not a strategy. But 543 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 5: I'm also sitting here, we're thirteen months until a new 544 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 5: Congress is seated. Is there really anything that this Congress 545 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 5: is going to do? Again, you don't own the Senate, 546 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 5: you don't have the White House. The amount of negotiation 547 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 5: room that McCarthy has in the first place is minimal 548 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 5: because he's only got a five seat majority in the House. 549 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 5: So I just I don't know what is feasible, That's 550 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 5: what I'm saying. Like if you and I were sitting 551 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 5: between and we were the mediators trying to figure out 552 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 5: a solution here, I haven't seen it laying out in 553 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 5: a way where I can say, Okay, McCarthy could do 554 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 5: this and he's not. I mean, did we just want 555 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 5: to have a shutdown like to is that a negotiating leverage? 556 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 5: I'm just I'm not sure what the play is here, 557 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 5: purely from a negotiation perspective. By the way, we'll open 558 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 5: up phone lines and we'll continue to follow this live 559 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 5: because it's possible that McCarthy's going to be voted out 560 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 5: before today's program's over. 561 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: Who knows. 562 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 5: So many of us take for granted that we leave 563 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 5: for work, we come home afterwards, we don't even think 564 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 5: twice about it. But what about our military and first 565 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 5: responder families, our men and women in blue. They don't 566 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 5: have that daily guarantee. 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Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. 588 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: We got a lot of people who want to weigh 589 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: in variety of topics. 590 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 5: We're continuing to track in real time the vote to 591 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 5: see whether Kevin McCarthy is going to remain Speaker of 592 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 5: the House, and there's a variety of different questions. 593 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: Jeff in Houston, first up, what's up with you? Jeff? 594 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 1: What you got for us? 595 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,479 Speaker 6: Yeah, I've got a legal question for you. A New 596 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 6: York judge is going to rule on the valuation of 597 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 6: mar a Lago, which is in Florida. How does the 598 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 6: New York court have jurisdiction over that? 599 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 5: So my understanding, and I'm not an expert in this, 600 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 5: is they took out the loan in New York and 601 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 5: mar A Lago was one of the assets that Trump 602 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 5: was citing in the same way that Trump has, for instance, 603 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,479 Speaker 5: properties in all over the country golf courses that they 604 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 5: would be citing. The Trump organization is based in New 605 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 5: York in terms of where that organization is, and so 606 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 5: that's why they would have jurisdiction. The only jurisdiction issue 607 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 5: that we've talked about on this show that I think 608 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 5: still remains. It appears that Jack Smith said, wait a minute, 609 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 5: the mar A Lago case needs to be in South Florida. 610 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,239 Speaker 5: Dealing with the possession of classified documents. They did all 611 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 5: a lot of the grand jury proceedings in DC, then 612 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 5: got nervous, I think about jurisdiction, moved it to South Florida, 613 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:51,959 Speaker 5: and so far, Buck the judges in Atlanta have refused 614 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 5: to grant federal court judge a federal court standing to 615 00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 5: Trump in that state court proceed. 616 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: We talked about that. 617 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 2: When it happened, I was like I think those judges 618 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 2: they're gonna they're gonna try to keep this thing in house. 619 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 2: The system is is set up there. 620 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,959 Speaker 5: So far, no judge has recused him or herself from 621 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 5: any Trump related case. I'm correcting that right, Like nobody 622 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 5: has said that I can't handle this, this is too 623 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 5: much for me. Don't underrate the egos of judges. They 624 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 5: all think they are God's gift to the judiciary. They 625 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 5: have high they have high self uh self opinion, and 626 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 5: if you get a very prominent case, a lot of 627 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 5: these judges, I mean, look at the smiling uh selfie 628 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 5: uh you know video that that judge did in New 629 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 5: York State Court for the for the preceding I don't 630 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 5: know how you pronounce his name, but I know he 631 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 5: doesn't dislike the cameras being there. 632 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 1: Used to be a cab driver, evidently. Yeah. 633 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 2: Now we haven't even gotten into it. I think we 634 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,760 Speaker 2: will in the next hour that the Trump civil trial, 635 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 2: and that's what people are some people have been calling 636 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 2: in and talking to us. Abut I mean, I'll just 637 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 2: say this on it. The in the Trump civil trial, 638 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,280 Speaker 2: he's showing up. I think here's my theory, Clay on 639 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 2: what this is I think Trump is showing up. There 640 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 2: are cameras, there's a lot of media attention about this 641 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 2: because he is setting the precedent. He has picked a 642 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 2: trial that is absolutely absurd, and he's showing people that 643 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 2: he will show up, he will call out the absurdity 644 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 2: of it, and he will face this thing down in 645 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:35,880 Speaker 2: a trial that is is truly preposterous. And and I 646 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 2: think that this then sets a narrative going forward that 647 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 2: all everything that comes after this, whether Trump shows or 648 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 2: it gets delayed, or whatever it may be, he's willing 649 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 2: to He's willing to fight this and and take it 650 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 2: all on headfirst. I think that's what this really comes 651 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,839 Speaker 2: down to for him. It's it's the optics of it. 652 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 2: It's the visual of Look at this. I mean, they're 653 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 2: they're bringing this case. It's a case without a victim again. 654 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 2: I mean the you know, we first out, we're talking 655 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,399 Speaker 2: all the horrible crimes that are occurring with the most 656 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 2: clear victims, imaginable because Democrats don't want to take that 657 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 2: aspect of criminal justice with the seriousness and focus that deserves. 658 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: But in the Trump case, what's. 659 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,920 Speaker 2: The problem again, what did he do? I mean, I 660 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,280 Speaker 2: know what they say yeah, no, you know who lost. 661 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 2: The banks didn't lose. They got their money plus interest. 662 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 5: It is I mean, we'll talk about this when we 663 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 5: come back. When you look at. 664 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 1: The criminal justice system. 665 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 5: If crimes were evenly committed by race, in other words, 666 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 5: if you know sixty percent of people who were arrested 667 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 5: were white, thirteen percent were black, you know, fourteen percent 668 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 5: or hispanic directly approximate to the race, would there be 669 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 5: any demand that there be less criminals on the streets. 670 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,360 Speaker 1: Just think about it. I think the answer no.