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Speaker 2: Before we get into the NFL. Is that where we
Speaker 2: were going to j JP four, That's what I was.
Speaker 4: Well, I saw JP trying to talk and I was
Speaker 4: trying to bring out my thought, and I was like,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna bring JP in after.
Speaker 2: Should we go college football?
Speaker 4: Let's go college first. Let's go college.
Speaker 2: And for everybody curious that follows along and watches the
Speaker 2: locker room as well, we will be hat We will
Speaker 2: be dropping the college football Playoff preview four yesterday tonight
Speaker 2: on Tuesday, that drops at six pm. And then our
Speaker 2: NFL playoffs, our wildcard weekend that will drop tomorrow morning
Speaker 2: on Wednesday at six am. So that is how we're
Speaker 2: separating the locker room this week. A lot of awesome games,
Speaker 2: we got all the best teams, we get to talk
Speaker 2: about all the best teams. Now playoff picture in the
Speaker 2: NFL started out.
Speaker 3: The National Championships on Monday. Are we going to include
Speaker 3: that or how are.
Speaker 2: We going to do that? No? National Championships on like
Speaker 2: January twenty eleven, Yeah, the next weekend.
Speaker 4: You're right, there's still around. I know it's there are
Speaker 4: so many teams out there.
Speaker 2: Yeaheah, that's true. All right, Yeah, good talk. Yeah, do
Speaker 2: we want to talk about did we touch on Michigan Alabama?
Speaker 4: Ge?
Speaker 2: We touch on the ball? We touch about it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, wild series of against really quest but I'm sure
Speaker 4: if you tuned in you probably did. Unless you're an
Speaker 4: Alabama or a Michigan fan. The first half of that
Speaker 4: quarter was just fucking crazy, drunk drunk, raining down God,
Speaker 4: just raining down the missiles of rain. And well, you said,
Speaker 4: four plays, three turnovers in four plays.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they put a stat on the screen that was
Speaker 3: like Alabama's starting drive starts on their own twenty five
Speaker 3: Michigan starting drives opponents twenty first yard line.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just crazy, And it shows how bad Michigan's offense
Speaker 4: is the entire year, because we got the ball in
Speaker 4: the red zone on three separate occasions based on turnovers,
Speaker 4: and we came away with nine points.
Speaker 2: So game could have got away in a hurry.
Speaker 4: Alabama, a lot of guys sat out Michigan, a lot
Speaker 4: of guys sat out, a lot of transfers from Alabama,
Speaker 4: a lot of transfers from Michigan. So we said, we
Speaker 4: thought the Jaln Millroe was gonna be the deciding factor
Speaker 4: in this game.
Speaker 2: And he was.
Speaker 4: He was a deciding factor in this game. He just
Speaker 4: didn't play well. It was tough for him. My heart
Speaker 4: goes out to him because you wanted to have a great,
Speaker 4: long career. He hurt himself more than helped the l
Speaker 4: himself in a situation.
Speaker 2: Now the positive, the positive is bold as bad of
Speaker 2: a season as Michigan had. You guys ended on the
Speaker 2: best note of any team in college football. People.
Speaker 4: I will made the best three win team in collegeable
Speaker 4: history a couple of years ago, and there there was
Speaker 4: an argument to that. So not an argument, okay, right,
Speaker 4: And so now here I go because I've thought about
Speaker 4: it a little bit too, and I've actually dug.
Speaker 2: A little deep on I was gonna tea five lost teams.
Speaker 4: Michigan is the only team since nineteen ninety one to
Speaker 4: be unranked and defeat two top fifteen teams consecutive weeks,
Speaker 4: them and the University of Arizona. So there's a little
Speaker 4: smidget right there. I'll dive a little deeper in. But
Speaker 4: you look at our points per game, our points, it's
Speaker 4: just bad all around. But just find a way to win.
Speaker 4: Find a way to win those last two three weeks.
Speaker 4: And dude, I don't want to be that guy, but
Speaker 4: they started clicking when I spoke to the team. I
Speaker 4: don't know what I said. They're three and oh, they're
Speaker 4: three and oh they've covered the spread every single time
Speaker 4: since I've spoke to that team. What you say to him, Doug,
Speaker 4: So obviously public speaking is not an issue.
Speaker 2: Of memories after this one, boys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I literally got up there and I basically
Speaker 4: told them, thank you, thank you for putting back the
Speaker 4: culture of Michigan that people look at the team teams
Speaker 4: I played for. We were terrible, so I never got
Speaker 4: to see what like the culture of Michigan, the amazing blue,
Speaker 4: like the Michigan men mentality. You guys are that regardless
Speaker 4: of what your record reflects. And just told them to
Speaker 4: be present, be present, And those boys been fucking present,
Speaker 4: been present. So shout out Michigan. Dude, r I p
Speaker 4: the SEC.
Speaker 2: Your tough loss for Bama, tough loss for South Carolina.
Speaker 2: It was it was uh not the original showing that
Speaker 2: the SEC usually does in bowl games. They don't matter now.
Speaker 4: That it's not about not mattering. What mattered. What's happening
Speaker 4: now is there's an equalizer between all the other conferences
Speaker 4: and the SEC. SEC used to pay their players. Now
Speaker 4: everybody else can also pay their players. Everyone's getting figured out.
Speaker 2: You watch the way them Huskers celebrated the Pinstripe Bowl,
Speaker 2: and you tell me that that game doesn't matter.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it matters by.
Speaker 3: One of the prancing around listen't think it.
Speaker 2: Mattered to Illinois beating the South Carolina game cock scene,
Speaker 2: no matter how many guys sat out, you're gonna you're gonna, actually,
Speaker 2: in your brain think that that uniform didn't show up
Speaker 2: excited to play. You saw Shane Beamer ready to fucking
Speaker 2: throw bows, which I absolutely love, love, I love Beilma
Speaker 2: doing the little taunt thing. I love Shane Beemer just
Speaker 2: getting chaos like I loved that Bowl game. I love
Speaker 2: watching that Bowl game those river South Carolina.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no question. But Beemer better be careful because a
Speaker 4: couple of years from now. Hold he might belam. Hold
Speaker 4: they look a little too similar. Can put a little
Speaker 4: that weight on that coaching. Waight now he's fit, Now
Speaker 4: he can lose it. How do you look at Shane
Speaker 4: Beemer's body? You think he could turn into Brett Beilama.
Speaker 4: I saw have him Mike rabels As twenty eighteen. He
Speaker 4: came in a little static Brett Beelm's huey goueie body
Speaker 4: after you. I'm just saying, word of caution, Coach Beemer,
Speaker 4: keep it tight, brother, because those calories get away from
Speaker 4: you fast when coaching gets stressful.
Speaker 2: You see Bei Lama, he will see what he's dealing with.
Speaker 5: He will never have to walk back across the field
Speaker 5: at the pay step. Brett Beelman was walking back. My
Speaker 5: boy was out of breath just from hitting this one
Speaker 5: on him, and it took a slow walk back. Ref
Speaker 5: could have give him a delay a game.
Speaker 4: And it's just a word of caution. It's just a
Speaker 4: word of caution. That being said, though, all these are
Speaker 4: the schools being able to pay. Now you see a
Speaker 4: changing at the tide. You see it kind of happening.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, sir, question ahead.
Speaker 7: And this one's the JP. Why was Ole miss clowning
Speaker 7: Shane Biemer? I didn't understand.
Speaker 2: That that was Juice Wells, wasn't it. So Juice Wells
Speaker 2: came from South Carolina, but I thought he had a
Speaker 2: solid relationship. Yeah, Juice is the show went.
Speaker 5: I don't know what's going on with him, bro, I.
Speaker 2: Mean he went villa mode that one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like Shane Biemer said something midyear after we beat
Speaker 5: somebody and was like, you know, we had some guys
Speaker 5: they said that they didn't believe we had a quarterback
Speaker 5: and they didn't want to play with them, and so
Speaker 5: we're seeing how that's going right now. So that was
Speaker 5: like the dig and then Juice Wells catches like his
Speaker 5: sixth pass of the year in the bowl game. We
Speaker 5: would have made Juice well as a top two round pick.
Speaker 5: Now he might go undrafted, which is tough for him.
Speaker 4: It sounds like somebody's getting a sleeper in the draft.
Speaker 8: Then they could be.
Speaker 5: It depends. He dropped a lot of balls this year
Speaker 5: and I want him to do well. Like a lot
Speaker 5: of South Carolina fans hate him to the death, but
Speaker 5: I mean I want him to do well, dude.
Speaker 4: We will get to the draft in a little bit. Obviously,
Speaker 4: our beloved Tennessee Titans have the first overall pick, and
Speaker 4: we live in Nashville, Tennessee. We'll give him a reclass
Speaker 4: for that.
Speaker 2: Shout out the Patriots, Shout out the Patriots taking care
Speaker 2: of business against the Bills yesterday.
Speaker 4: But dude, these last playoffs were nuts. I mean, quickly, man,
Speaker 4: let's get a moment of silence for the Oregon Ducks.
Speaker 2: I love you Dan, Love you Dan. That was crazy.
Speaker 4: That's Michigan's fault. I mean, they woke up a fucking giant. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that is wild. They are incredible, reredible that bankroll did
Speaker 4: show up.
Speaker 2: Now that freshman bro, bro. But listen, how an alien.
Speaker 4: How many times have you seen guys that are freshman
Speaker 4: phenoms lose draft status because they get into this Like
Speaker 4: when we watch a Lebron James or Patrick Mahomes or
Speaker 4: Tom Brady and we see them play so well for
Speaker 4: so long, we get like this, we kind of get
Speaker 4: callous to the idea of how great these guys are.
Speaker 4: And I feel like that window is so much shorter
Speaker 4: in college, Like this kid's having an insane freshman season.
Speaker 4: This is might be a hot take if you're so
Speaker 4: good at a freshman. We were like, this kid is
Speaker 4: the top wide receiver in this draft class. He's a
Speaker 4: top ten pick right now, why not sit out the
Speaker 4: next two years and just say fuck it?
Speaker 5: Two years is a long time.
Speaker 4: So Chase was it, Jamar Chase did it for one year.
Speaker 4: But Johnny Manziel good good example. He goes in, he
Speaker 4: wins the Heisman as a freshman. Those last couple of
Speaker 4: years haven't hurt them a little bit. And if the
Speaker 4: thirty first pick in the draft, maybe he's not.
Speaker 5: I think the way Jeremiah Smith is built is like
Speaker 5: he's built to last. And that dude, I mean he is.
Speaker 5: He does not look like an eighteen year old that
Speaker 5: at all.
Speaker 4: He's a man.
Speaker 5: And the balls he's catching is like it's not gonna
Speaker 5: be like a lack of Yeah, like it's not gonna
Speaker 5: be a lack of.
Speaker 4: Right, he's fighting that ball, he's a heats that he
Speaker 4: missile for that ball.
Speaker 2: He's incredible. You're saying sit out the next two years
Speaker 2: just to protect himself.
Speaker 4: So he goes no, It's more it's more of like
Speaker 4: a haha take, but like, yeah, he he could probably
Speaker 4: he could probably sit out the next two years, he'll
Speaker 4: still be a first round draft pick.
Speaker 2: It's basically what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like I you, I mean, you play next year,
Speaker 4: you think about that the following year if you if
Speaker 4: you do the same thing as you did, and you
Speaker 4: look at the team, maybe coming back and like saying it,
Speaker 4: but I mean he is NFL ready wide receiver one
Speaker 4: right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah on an NFL team. Incredible And they just beat
Speaker 2: the brakes off the ducks.
Speaker 4: Man, like before it even starts.
Speaker 2: I felt for him. Thirty thirty four to nothing.
Speaker 4: The game was over at the coin flip, they just
Speaker 4: said they at that look in their eye.
Speaker 2: Man, I'm telling you, all those teams that got to
Speaker 2: play the week before I think helped them out. Now,
Speaker 2: obviously Ohio State had to uh I think. I was
Speaker 2: talking with Tate, He's like, I mean Ohio State had
Speaker 2: to sit out like however many weeks before. But I'm
Speaker 2: sud there thinking, I'm like that that is true. You
Speaker 2: guys had to sit out that long. But losing to Michigan,
Speaker 2: and as loud and as crazy as that moment was
Speaker 2: for them, like they were just they were so pissed off,
Speaker 2: they were so dialed in and focused. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: Oregon wasn't, but they're just salivating. They're salivating to right
Speaker 2: that wrong because they've had to wait for weeks and
Speaker 2: they're preparing like and again, I say that, and you
Speaker 2: almost have to assume that Oregan wasn't. I'm not saying that.
Speaker 2: I'm just I feel like the type of motivation that
Speaker 2: Ohio State had and to get whatever rust they might
Speaker 2: have had against an Indiana football or not Indiana Tennessee
Speaker 2: beating Tennessee like you kind of right, right, you get
Speaker 2: Tennessee fans, you get a game in against Tennessee before
Speaker 2: you go and play Oregon. The closest one is Arizona State, Texas.
Speaker 4: Arizona State should be playing this week.
Speaker 2: Now, you don't know, I that should have been a
Speaker 2: targeting penalty. They should have gotten into the opponent territory.
Speaker 2: Who knows if they would have moved the ball anymore,
Speaker 2: and that kicker probably would have missed the fel.
Speaker 4: Probably would have missed Feld. You're right, Yeah, there's a
Speaker 4: lot of what ifs.
Speaker 2: There there are there are what is but that should have, definitely,
Speaker 2: without any doubt, should have been a targeting penalty.
Speaker 4: Without Yeah, in the world we live in now, that
Speaker 4: is one thousand percent like a textbook targeting penalty. Hell
Speaker 4: with a helmet and he's you know, can't protect it,
Speaker 4: and it's a textbook no call.
Speaker 2: With a team like Texas.
Speaker 3: Counter Stallion's kind of take on it, like there should
Speaker 3: be a tiered system of targeting, Like basically, yeah, I
Speaker 3: like that, like a five to five yard I didn't
Speaker 3: mean to We did make contact in the head, like.
Speaker 2: Kind of like running into the kicker versus roughing the kicker, right, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: I did. I like that.
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 4: It makes me a little nervous when you start to
Speaker 4: add these gray areas in these in these rules, because
Speaker 4: there is already so much of a human element to
Speaker 4: them to make a judgment call right there, right then
Speaker 4: and there.
Speaker 3: But by doing that, does that remove a ref's judgment,
Speaker 3: Like you at least have three chances.
Speaker 2: And so you know it's you know, it's targeting.
Speaker 4: But then you get into the world of like, okay,
Speaker 4: is it tier one or tier two or is it
Speaker 4: tier two or tier three? And now you go back
Speaker 4: and forth and those extra five yards or whatever it
Speaker 4: is the you know, kick him out of the game.
Speaker 4: That's such a big deal at that point. So what
Speaker 4: are we talking about this because that's what tier is
Speaker 4: that the highest heier is.
Speaker 3: He would give it a like make it a five
Speaker 3: yard penalty. Guy stays in the game.
Speaker 2: And the kid doesn't get kicked out. That's the thing.
Speaker 2: If it's targeting, the kid also gets kicked out. Like
Speaker 2: the penalties are so expering. It's like NBA, you got
Speaker 2: flagrant one, flagrant two and the uh the example of
Speaker 2: Arizona State the week before that number seven who put
Speaker 2: that liquor that could have just been a five year
Speaker 2: old penalty to where you don't give him fifte yards
Speaker 2: and kick him out of the game or kick him
Speaker 2: out of the first first half of the next because
Speaker 2: that was that was under the chain safety first. Did
Speaker 2: you see that his number seven if you're watching it
Speaker 2: was number seven who got the safety on Texas. That
Speaker 2: was his first play back in the game.
Speaker 4: No shit, Yeah, Shamari Simmons and he was the only
Speaker 4: one that could lock down Golden is that name?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah? I mean, dude, that so fun.
Speaker 4: That game was awesome to watch, and Will brought a
Speaker 4: good point in Chicago when we were talking about is
Speaker 4: Texas didn't move the ball at all other than the
Speaker 4: couple explosive plays ahead one on special teams, yeah, and
Speaker 4: then that run. Other than that, ASU's defense handled business
Speaker 4: the entire game. And ASU's offense, although they weren't coming
Speaker 4: with points on the board because if they had an
Speaker 4: adequate kicker, they actually run away with that game in
Speaker 4: a sense because they're in the red zone in the
Speaker 4: territory to kick so many times. They are moving the
Speaker 4: ball twenty five to twenty five on a consistent basis.
Speaker 4: The top in that game was wild.
Speaker 7: Can I get on soapbox for the Big twelve for
Speaker 7: like ten seconds? Yeah, I just want to say everybody saying, oh,
Speaker 7: Arizona States defense is only good because they blitz every play.
Speaker 2: They blitz every play.
Speaker 7: They're not that physical, don't have grit like you know
Speaker 7: Big ten or sec A. SU came to play and
Speaker 7: I was State came to play against Miami too. I mean,
Speaker 7: the Big twelve has good, gritty, strong defenses. It's not
Speaker 7: just the high flying offenses of old of the Big Twelve.
Speaker 7: It's a lot of programs that really have good running.
Speaker 2: Games, like a SU, like a Texas Tech.
Speaker 7: They had trouble later in the season, but I just
Speaker 7: wanted to get that out there. Baylor played great against
Speaker 7: l C. I was happy with that performance.
Speaker 2: They lost, but came back a little bit.
Speaker 7: Yeah, what's your what do you.
Speaker 3: Say, like ASU, what was the point of the they're gritty?
Speaker 3: Where did Texas come from? Where did Texas come from?
Speaker 3: Twelve even matchup?
Speaker 7: Yeah, but Texas played in the SEC championship this year.
Speaker 2: I think what you're getting big.
Speaker 4: Needs to be looked at a little more higher regard. Okay,
Speaker 4: that's we we'll take that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, agree with the A and eleven in bowl games? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Not good brutal?
Speaker 4: I mean yeah, if you were, let's actually quickly go
Speaker 4: through and just tier the conferences real quick. I think
Speaker 4: it will be pretty consistent on board. Top three tiers
Speaker 4: would be big, ten than.
Speaker 2: The SEC then twelve. Yeah right, I don't think I
Speaker 2: mean that is that?
Speaker 4: Do we even anybody arguing that at all?
Speaker 2: No? I don't think arguing on that.
Speaker 5: To Yeah, the ACC's record something. I do think that
Speaker 5: could happen for the bowl games to incentivize it more.
Speaker 5: Since everybody is getting paid, it should be if you
Speaker 5: win this game, that bowl pays your team, So like
Speaker 5: every kid gets.
Speaker 4: Five races like a playoff bonus.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I think that could make it electric
Speaker 5: even in these other Bowl games.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but listen, if you got a kid that's gonna
Speaker 4: go to the NFL, you need a little more of
Speaker 4: incent up.
Speaker 2: Than five thousand dollars.
Speaker 5: I mean, not getting stars get fifty.
Speaker 2: Yeah it get some money. You have to put fifty
Speaker 2: across the board for everybody.
Speaker 4: Yeah, which would be a lot for one hundred and
Speaker 4: five guys on a football team.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, interesting, that's a good thou like.
Speaker 4: Uh, like, what does basketball do they have like the
Speaker 4: March Madness actual bracket to win it all and they
Speaker 4: have another bracket.
Speaker 2: To have that?
Speaker 5: I that would.
Speaker 2: I think it would.
Speaker 4: Because if then you would have a Nebraska movie forward,
Speaker 4: a Michigan movie forward, if there'd be Will and Ies dialogue,
Speaker 4: you'd have these other other teams being able to do
Speaker 4: a bunch of that would be fun.
Speaker 5: I don't think Will confident Lawan's dialogue carry.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, forgive it time, bro, give you time because
Speaker 2: I love you. Threw that in there, like we're gonna
Speaker 2: move the needle. Yeah yeah, come on now, I'm telling you,
Speaker 2: let's do a quick prediction.
Speaker 4: We'll go to the NFL. Yeah, or do you want
Speaker 4: to wait for locker room?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 5: Definitely pretty Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: I guess Penn Stale look good.
Speaker 4: I mean, Notre Dame look good.
Speaker 2: I think Texas will put up a better fight. I
Speaker 2: think Texas will put up a better fight than people
Speaker 2: are anticipating. With Ohio State, they have to know they
Speaker 2: have like the best pass defense like in the country,
Speaker 2: and their defense that been don't break mentality. Offense has
Speaker 2: got to figure it out and move the ball a
Speaker 2: little bit more because Ohio State can get up on them.
Speaker 2: But I think that they're going to compete a lot
Speaker 2: more than people are anticipating because Ohia steaks now had
Speaker 2: two blowouts, so there's no reason to think Ohio State's
Speaker 2: not just gonna walk through this game.
Speaker 5: Quinn ewers too, like, I mean, I know, yeah, people
Speaker 5: want to say what they want to say about him,
Speaker 5: but that was ice cold at the end of air.
Speaker 2: Did you see that the dude the ball kind of
Speaker 2: hit the ground on that touchdown pass? Yeah? I was
Speaker 2: seeing that. Yeah, that the play. Yeah, the fourth thirteen
Speaker 2: that Texas caught, he catched it in the back half
Speaker 2: of the ball like in one of the frames that
Speaker 2: goes down and touches the ground as he gathers it
Speaker 2: back in his body. I was gonna say, and they
Speaker 2: don't even they didn't even look at it right now
Speaker 2: against the s U that field goal bounce for Texas.
Speaker 5: I think you saw the field goal bounced in after
Speaker 5: it got tipped.
Speaker 2: Are two points right?
Speaker 5: So I mean obviously they counted as nothing, but and
Speaker 5: they're trying to figure out what does the rule mean.
Speaker 5: I don't know what do y'all think it should mean.
Speaker 5: I personally think if it bounces in, that'll be awesome
Speaker 5: if it counted. But if it bounces in like it
Speaker 5: hit the ground, it gets tipped like in the game,
Speaker 5: Texas tipped it, it bounced and it went in through
Speaker 5: the goalposts.
Speaker 4: Isn't that what is trying to argue right now?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they appealed it. They appealed it. And look, I know,
Speaker 2: shout out Dealey for taking full accountability and kind of
Speaker 2: breaking this play down, But bro, I just what do
Speaker 2: you do? Cover zero?
Speaker 4: Like you can't let anybody get in front of you.
Speaker 4: You play the sticks, You play the sticks. You don't
Speaker 4: let anything behind you.
Speaker 2: And hey, yeah, if you think you see a you
Speaker 2: saw it hit the ground sherif's in there.
Speaker 4: That is crazy because I would love to see Asu
Speaker 4: playing right now. I love to see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 5: You got dudes like Brandon Walker out there talking about
Speaker 5: Cam Scattabow. Isn't that good?
Speaker 2: It's just Crazyqueen that.
Speaker 4: Mid game bro ninety nine yards receiving, we got forty
Speaker 4: six yard pass, one hundred and forty yards rushing.
Speaker 2: The kid came to play man.
Speaker 4: And the thing that's sick is I want to pull
Speaker 4: up if we can find this a comparing contrast of Quinn.
Speaker 4: You were stats in that game and Sam Levitt's because
Speaker 4: Sam Levitt was talking crazy pregame. I'm the best quarterback.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna show wanting the best quarterback, and Scatibo is
Speaker 4: essentially like I should have been. I'm the best running
Speaker 4: back in all of college football and they're gonna find
Speaker 4: out and he you walk away. You look at Scatabo's
Speaker 4: stats and you're like, goddamn, I mean he might be.
Speaker 2: And they just I mean, that line just could not protect.
Speaker 4: Could not protect. It was tough to watch, but uh,
Speaker 4: I mean yeah, yeah, I mean Quinn played better having that,
Speaker 4: having that, but are inflated because of overtime. It's crazy,
Speaker 4: who's it who talking about g.
Speaker 5: Yours because that nobody in Texas wants him to be
Speaker 5: the quarterback. And you know he knows.
Speaker 2: That, which is wild, I know.
Speaker 5: And then to make that throw. I know in his
Speaker 5: head he's probably thinking, screw all of y'all, and wat's
Speaker 5: what I do against Ohio State is probably what's going
Speaker 5: through his head.
Speaker 2: Hopefully. I just on that last play defensively, just talking
Speaker 2: about that to me, if you want to go zero,
Speaker 2: yeah you need to go you need to go true zero,
Speaker 2: or in my opinion, you play coverage, but you can't
Speaker 2: do the whole simulation Cover zero play into a cover four,
Speaker 2: Like you either got to go all out, have one
Speaker 2: extra guy getting into the quarterback so he as to
Speaker 2: throw it right now, or you have to stay back
Speaker 2: and play coverage because right here you go to that
Speaker 2: back view of that last play, I mean, yeah, you
Speaker 2: got seven up stop, they send six and they have
Speaker 2: six guys to block, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 2: you're not running true cover zero right there. You've got
Speaker 2: to bring one extra guy because he honestly could even
Speaker 2: hit the deep out route on this fourth and thirteen
Speaker 2: two because the dude, beat his leverage to the outside.
Speaker 2: Look at this uh Nickel down here, boo, keep going
Speaker 2: even he gets open.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I've never been a huge fan of send
Speaker 4: the house in a critical game situation.
Speaker 2: Not fourth and thirteen. You're thinking like fourth, like in
Speaker 2: six seven, keep.
Speaker 4: Everything in front of you getting tackled.
Speaker 2: The way your guys cann have blitz feet. Yeah, like
Speaker 2: he can't really have blitz feet when they got enough
Speaker 2: to pick up everybody because you're bailing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you're you gotta bail and play catch up
Speaker 4: versus all these guys running their routes. You feel bad
Speaker 4: for that safety. I love the fact that Dillingham came
Speaker 4: and you know, owned it not once but twice, But
Speaker 4: I don't I'm personally not a fan.
Speaker 2: Of that play because I think Dilly said the safety
Speaker 2: has to pick up anything intermediate. So he ends up
Speaker 2: trying to dive down and chase that out route versus
Speaker 2: staying deep in a true cover four because that out
Speaker 2: that out that corner post that he gets, he gets
Speaker 2: hit on the safety in the middle of the field,
Speaker 2: basically vacates the middle of the field to go try
Speaker 2: to dive on that deep out right and you're right too.
Speaker 4: If you're gonna you have to bring more than six,
Speaker 4: like you've got to get home in the situations, have
Speaker 4: him throw off his back foot.
Speaker 2: Obviously quarterback is easy to play. But that's just go
Speaker 2: to the play coverage.
Speaker 4: Beginning right before the snappits I hate this little line.
Speaker 2: What's his line down right now?
Speaker 4: There's showing I mean, yeah, yeah, you have ammo yeah,
Speaker 4: and then that guy in the far left he drops out.
Speaker 4: But the problem is like that three technique.
Speaker 2: First, Oh, Arizona State senting six right here, Texas has
Speaker 2: got seven and they're in max pro. Oh yeahs H
Speaker 2: two H three.
Speaker 4: I I don't like if I if you're going to
Speaker 4: send a max protection, you need to like overemphasize one gap.
Speaker 4: So I originally thought this was an avalanche, but it's
Speaker 4: avalanche is three up the middle, and you either get
Speaker 4: there with emotion and then the guy come the guy
Speaker 4: who goes in most of him and then comes in,
Speaker 4: or you just have a guy kind of sitting four
Speaker 4: yards behind and bring him up. When you have that
Speaker 4: many up the middle and you have three of the middle,
Speaker 4: you now you essentially unless your gap scheme blocking, you're
Speaker 4: not You're not able to pick that up because the
Speaker 4: backs can get there. That's when feet get in the way.
Speaker 4: Some people trip over, and that's when you get into
Speaker 4: the quarterbacks lap. But if you're doing this type of
Speaker 4: Ammo blitz, which is just two a gaps up the
Speaker 4: middle and dropping a guy into his zone, the left
Speaker 4: tackle is one of the most important people in this thing.
Speaker 4: And this is this kid's a first round pick. As
Speaker 4: soon as he sees his guy drop, which that end
Speaker 4: does a bad job of like showing that he's gonna
Speaker 4: come and then drops, he needs to now start screaming
Speaker 4: to his left guard to bump everything back, because you
Speaker 4: have to assume there's more numbers the opposite way than
Speaker 4: you if there's a blitz going away from you.
Speaker 7: So if this guy right here, yeah, you're saying, send
Speaker 7: him through this gap that is going to be produced
Speaker 7: by the left tackle.
Speaker 4: No, I mean the blitz. They're in a seven up. Look,
Speaker 4: if they brought all of them that you're in like
Speaker 4: a true zero this one, I would have maybe had
Speaker 4: like a.
Speaker 2: Personal outside guys.
Speaker 4: I would have yeah, yeah, I would have. I would
Speaker 4: have personally liked to see another guy up the middle.
Speaker 4: You're only gonna bring six.
Speaker 7: This right here, and this, you would send those two.
Speaker 4: On and then have like what would just like a
Speaker 4: bracket type of defense in the back end.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you're playing cover zero. Yeah, you're playing
Speaker 2: a true cover zero.
Speaker 4: You're just you're basically like, hey, guys, hold up in
Speaker 4: front of you as much as pustle, keep everything in
Speaker 4: front of you, and pray to God that rush gets home.
Speaker 4: And if you bring it, it's getting home. He's got
Speaker 4: to throw it as fast as possible. Sometimes before these
Speaker 4: guys can get other break, he might have to try
Speaker 4: to hit this checkdown and then it's a gang tackle
Speaker 4: vice tackle situation. But I mean ifans or butts, dude.
Speaker 2: Great game, phenomenal game game.
Speaker 4: And we're going back and forth on those bets, being
Speaker 4: like do we do we cash out? Like my bet
Speaker 4: was sitting at like sixteen, but I couldn't do It
Speaker 4: would have been sick to my stomach if if I
Speaker 4: would as one. And then you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: You got to write that out, have to write Yeah,
Speaker 2: you have to ride that out. We'll talk about we'll
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Speaker 2: time is it? Dame Time Penn State looks Salty Penn
Speaker 2: State looks Salty Penn State, Notre Dame is gonna be
Speaker 2: a good game. I think so too. You don't think so?
Speaker 2: You think so? You think Georgia was that bad JP?
Speaker 5: Uh, Yeah, I do, and I Notre Dame. I mean
Speaker 5: Riley Leonard, Like, I feel like he's got to be
Speaker 5: one of the easier quarterbacks to game plan four. He
Speaker 5: had ninety pass yards eighty rush yards. That's not great,
Speaker 5: and I don't think you can win a championship with
Speaker 5: a quarterback that's kind of consistently.
Speaker 2: They run the ball well. But Penn State, to your point,
Speaker 2: is a very good defensive run.
Speaker 5: Tea right, and then I think they run it better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like with Singleton and who's the other Allen.
Speaker 5: Right, Drew Allery. Yeah so I think. I mean, Notre
Speaker 5: Dame has surprised people, but I think Penn State I
Speaker 5: would not be surprised if they wipe them.
Speaker 2: I mean they surprised people too because of this coaching
Speaker 2: ability from the staff with Freeman down, like some of
Speaker 2: these play calls that go when they went for it
Speaker 2: on fourth down when they had the punt him out
Speaker 2: there and then they sprint it off the field on
Speaker 2: the offense.
Speaker 5: That love Freeman, Like, I want to see him do well, but.
Speaker 4: Did he win Coach of the Year? I thought they
Speaker 4: said he won.
Speaker 2: I don't think he won Coach of the year.
Speaker 4: That during the game they were talking about Coach of
Speaker 4: the Year. I don't know if he won it or
Speaker 4: he was just like part of the favorite.
Speaker 2: To win it.
Speaker 5: The most handsome man of the year.
Speaker 2: He a handsome boy.
Speaker 4: He's a handsome boy, for sure.
Speaker 1: Apparently you're not allowed to sub all eleven at once
Speaker 1: like that you should, like you need to be able
Speaker 1: to have because Kirby Smart was really pissed about it
Speaker 1: and said something about it an oppressor, about how that's
Speaker 1: not allowed and you need to like that's I think
Speaker 1: that's when you're supposed to get the cross about being
Speaker 1: able to give the defense to sub.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well yeah, usually they do that in regular offensive
Speaker 4: players anyway, right when they change personnel. The guy stands
Speaker 4: there and they have to like let him sub out
Speaker 4: and you are jogging off the field slow.
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened with this one, but I
Speaker 1: just I just remember seeing that Kirby was super piss worked.
Speaker 4: I like I like the idea of like it's obviously,
Speaker 4: uh it hurts the defense, but like when subs are
Speaker 4: happening Like that is where true coaching comes and play,
Speaker 4: like having your guys ready and a wear at all times, like, hey,
Speaker 4: they're an eleven right now, but if they go twelve,
Speaker 4: we have to go to the base.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna throw these guys out.
Speaker 4: Be on your just be ready, ultimate communication, ultimate team
Speaker 4: game type of mentality that shit fires me up the
Speaker 4: game within the game type stuff. But to go back
Speaker 4: to Penn State, Oh, who's you know? I think the
Speaker 4: most competitive national championship is Penn State Ohiose State.
Speaker 2: Yeah, based on how it's played out right now.
Speaker 4: Basic and their and their last time they played. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and you say, like it's hard to beat a team
Speaker 4: two times a row. It was proved with Oregon. And
Speaker 4: if Penn State on that birth and one or whatever
Speaker 4: it is, they get that they beat Ohiose State.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah exactly.
Speaker 4: I mean tip of the cap to Ohio State. Man,
Speaker 4: they have taken all that noise and said fuck you.
Speaker 4: That is impressive, very impressive. And with the give me Texas.
Speaker 2: What was disappointing to at the Notre Dame Georgia game,
Speaker 2: like Georgia defensively, like they tackled so poorly on the edge.
Speaker 4: Man, which is insane because you watch them against Texas
Speaker 4: in the in the first game against Texas or the
Speaker 4: SEC championed like the tackling is there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's like plays are there to be made, and
Speaker 2: they were just not tackling well on the perimeter.
Speaker 4: Maybe they saw like Stockton wasn't the guy and they
Speaker 4: just kind of knew, like we don't have.
Speaker 2: The team to kind of get done and running the
Speaker 2: ball well in the perimeter or while House they did
Speaker 2: a hell of a job doing it against Oregon, they
Speaker 2: could not stop that handback play, no, which is crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you were kind of explaining a little bit how
Speaker 4: it's difficult for linebackers because to me, when we do handbacks,
Speaker 4: like this is the same play in no way this
Speaker 4: is affecting the defense. But you were explain to why
Speaker 4: that's more difficult for.
Speaker 2: On the handback. As a backer, you're stepping with the
Speaker 2: motion of the of the running back. When the line
Speaker 2: and the running backs going the same way, you're getting
Speaker 2: sucked in to kind of like say, say the handback
Speaker 2: is starting to go left, you're like sucking in going
Speaker 2: to the left at first, and when they bended back
Speaker 2: around where Ohio State was really successful doing that. A
Speaker 2: lot of teams you do it with like a tight
Speaker 2: end or a full back, so you'll start one way
Speaker 2: in the lead I and then bend it back the
Speaker 2: other way, so the full back or the tight end,
Speaker 2: that motion or wrap will take you to your run fit.
Speaker 2: It's a lot harder to see when you're doing it
Speaker 2: off of a jet sweep. Ohio State was doing a
Speaker 2: great job of it with the receiver getting to the
Speaker 2: edge and so the backs like stepping toward the receiver
Speaker 2: receivers coming background or on a jet suite coming back
Speaker 2: to the edge on the other side. So it was
Speaker 2: making it really difficult. And with the momentum going that way,
Speaker 2: that like left side of the line of scrimmage was
Speaker 2: doing a great job, but just kind of walling it off,
Speaker 2: like there was no disruption by the Orgon ducks. So
Speaker 2: I thought they were torching them on that bend back play.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it seemed like they just really didn't. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's unfortunate because you love Dani, you love the pregame speeches,
Speaker 4: all that just didn't feel like Oregon really came to play,
Speaker 4: were they, Which I don't know how you don't after
Speaker 4: you watch the Tennessee film. You put that film on,
Speaker 4: you're like, boys, this is a different team right now
Speaker 4: in the October and with.
Speaker 2: The rap too, when you're playing gapped out, you're you're
Speaker 2: in your head like when the back step in and
Speaker 2: everything's kind of decided. You're trying to aggressively press your
Speaker 2: gap versus on a handback, the only guy who can
Speaker 2: make the play whoever is responsible for the edge. So
Speaker 2: when you get that wrap happen late and the guys
Speaker 2: on the edge you got basically a one on one
Speaker 2: time because you're trying to press the A gap or
Speaker 2: the B gap hard versus like you almost you need
Speaker 2: the second level to feel it and get to the outside.
Speaker 4: So if you're game planning that handback that it's same
Speaker 4: look that Ohio State was doing multiple times.
Speaker 2: What do you do?
Speaker 4: Do you bring a safety down?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I mean, or do you tell your linebackers to be
Speaker 4: a little bit loose and flow at the play?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah. It's such a game plan thing that you're
Speaker 2: gonna have to rep in practice to where if you're
Speaker 2: trying to cheat it with two shell and having a
Speaker 2: safety come down late or just backer kind of keeping
Speaker 2: their death Like hey, don't let this. Don't let the
Speaker 2: run game decide within the first step of the running back.
Speaker 4: I can't imagine if you're a defense and you're watching
Speaker 4: Ohio States through the air, offense being like, we're going
Speaker 4: to bring a safety down in the box now to
Speaker 4: stop the run game, Like you're you're I mean they
Speaker 4: are operating right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely operating. And it was a fun year for
Speaker 2: Boise State. But they didn't get whooped. Yeah what they
Speaker 2: hold gentry to.
Speaker 1: They didn't get whooped. If you look at the stats
Speaker 1: that Boise State outstat at Penn State, they had more
Speaker 1: total yards, did better, had more first downs like Pence
Speaker 1: the boys stay had two turnovers, and that's what allowed
Speaker 1: Penn State to square.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's the game, right.
Speaker 1: No, I'm saying Pence or Boise State did a hell
Speaker 1: of a lot better than the Like then what the
Speaker 1: score looks like and what like all the pundits and stuff, So.
Speaker 4: You're saying, turn the film, don't don't get the score,
Speaker 4: turn the film.
Speaker 1: Boise State, Like, yeah, they Jenz had like one hundred
Speaker 1: and six yards on like thirty carries. So I mean,
Speaker 1: he's the best running back in the country. He's bound
Speaker 1: to get his But like Maddox Madison played really good,
Speaker 1: Like Boisse State held their own a little bit against
Speaker 1: k Yeah yeah, one or two fumbles, but again like
Speaker 1: that is the game.
Speaker 2: But because Pince they got out on him quick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they were up like fourteen nothing. But then
Speaker 1: Bois State kind of like they were going back and
Speaker 1: forth for a driver too. And thenviously the turnovers came and.
Speaker 2: Just right because boys is a team that's built to
Speaker 2: give Gentry the ball thirty times, but he's going to
Speaker 2: try and get one forty one sixty right, Like Penn
Speaker 2: State's defense at the hell of a job shut him down.
Speaker 2: And what you can see, too, is all the glimpses
Speaker 2: of gent like he's going to be a monster in
Speaker 2: the league because even like he's getting hit and tackled,
Speaker 2: like all eleven hats are getting to the football, but
Speaker 2: it's taking all eleven to bring this fucking man down. Bro. Yeah, Bro,
Speaker 2: he's an incredible running back, dude, incredible.
Speaker 4: Who who's you really have? GENTI your skataboo.
Speaker 2: Genty that's the answer. That's the answer. That's the answer.
Speaker 2: I mean scataboo. Everybody knows. I love scattered but for
Speaker 2: the culture.
Speaker 4: I am so interesting to see what that kid runs
Speaker 4: at the combine he's got I mean, if he.
Speaker 2: I think so to you talking about SAT maybe four seven,
Speaker 2: I was telling you that he's talked at like twenty
Speaker 2: two miles an hour. I know.
Speaker 4: But he's a guy that strikes me as like a
Speaker 4: game speed type guy, Like he's got incredible game speed
Speaker 4: where it's like, oh he moves this as was everybody else.
Speaker 4: But I feel like he's not a guy that's going
Speaker 4: to It might be how pale he is, it might
Speaker 4: be how short his legs are, but something about him
Speaker 4: getting in a three point stance and running a forty
Speaker 4: I feel like he's at a disadvantage. He is a locomotive.
Speaker 4: Ten yard split two might.
Speaker 2: Be a little toughgas range is going to be like
Speaker 2: four or five, eight to four to sixty six.
Speaker 4: Okay, I feel like that's doable. That's a workable.
Speaker 2: I think he'll put up like a Rex berkhead four
Speaker 2: to six of the combin.
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Speaker 4: Let's start AFC. We're a couple of AFC boys ourselves,
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Speaker 2: But I believe.
Speaker 4: I have the answers to all these games. I believe
Speaker 4: I already have the answers in my hand. I've watched
Speaker 4: the film. Brother, I'm telling you, I am seeing the field.
Speaker 2: Big Cat was saying on the Pro Football Show, what
Speaker 2: was that Chiefs gotta buy a week. They're gonna take
Speaker 2: the lesser team that comes into the Chiefs are gonna
Speaker 2: win that game. They're gonna get to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4: The're gonna No, I'm just talking about these first three games.
Speaker 4: I'm just talking about the first three games we'll get
Speaker 4: to the Chiefs.
Speaker 2: Smart mona by the Chiefs to just throw that game
Speaker 2: against the Broncos to keep Joe Burrow.
Speaker 4: No doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 2: I mean, because the Broncos mock them. But you look
Speaker 2: at this, how you think Broncos are going to do
Speaker 2: going to Buffalo?
Speaker 4: Do you want me to actually talk about it away
Speaker 4: from the locker room, because I'll tell you exactly if we.
Speaker 2: Can talk about some of these games or how it
Speaker 2: chicken up, I guess, okay, clearly.
Speaker 4: If I'm looking at the Broncos in the Buffalo Bills,
Speaker 4: and I'll say probably the same thing in the locker
Speaker 4: room is Bill. The Broncos have not been a great team.
Speaker 4: They win needed to win one of their last three
Speaker 4: games to make it to the playoffs, and their win
Speaker 4: came from a Chiefs team that sat all of their guys.
Speaker 4: They're not I think when we get to the playoffs,
Speaker 4: this is as far as they get. When it comes
Speaker 4: to the Steelers in the Ravens, it truly depends on
Speaker 4: the offensive game plan because we've seen the Ravens time
Speaker 4: and time again. They have an MVP quarterback yet again
Speaker 4: who's probably gonna win the MVP go in and they
Speaker 4: kind of change up what they've done in the past
Speaker 4: to prove something. I don't know what it is. If
Speaker 4: they stick to a run game and they're consistent. They
Speaker 4: beat the Steelers, and I think the Chargers clearly clearly.
Speaker 2: Beat the Houston Texans. That's how I feel.
Speaker 4: If I'm just looking at all those.
Speaker 2: Games feel real good to me.
Speaker 4: As I'm saying it on a Monday afternoon, I'll dive
Speaker 4: into the numbers a little bit for the locker room,
Speaker 4: but just from a gut feeling standpoint. Usually when I
Speaker 4: look at numbers is when my bets go wrong. I
Speaker 4: start to second guests everything. Yeah, but I look at
Speaker 4: that and that's how I feel.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And he saw it again this past weekend on Derrick
Speaker 4: Henry's birthday. He give them ball twenty one times mopping roll.
Speaker 2: He's a beast. He's a beast. He's a beast.
Speaker 4: Most rushing yards by a running back over the age
Speaker 4: of thirty in a single season, keep.
Speaker 2: Still tapping into that ability and potential at the age
Speaker 2: he's at is just it is incredible. The only is
Speaker 2: he the only I think I saw stat the only
Speaker 2: running back to have nineteen hundred plus yards two years
Speaker 2: in the NFL. I don't know that'd be.
Speaker 4: That's good said though, because he had like eighteen hundred,
Speaker 4: then he had the two thousand, and then he had
Speaker 4: nineteen hundred again.
Speaker 2: This year, Derrick Henry. Maybe I'm talking out of my
Speaker 2: my ass here, but I saw something is Derek ny
Speaker 2: is the only running back or the first running back
Speaker 2: to have two nineteen hundred plus yard seasons correct and
Speaker 2: again at this age, bro, I think it's it's it's
Speaker 2: it's awesome. But in the AFC, since we have three
Speaker 2: AFC West teams, let's talk about the AFC West a
Speaker 2: little bit. I felk the Broncos, like you could not
Speaker 2: have had a better year after what has happened over
Speaker 2: the last come decade with them. You got Nathaniel Hackett,
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson. Just that gets blown up. Sean Payton comes in.
Speaker 2: They have they have a tough year last year with
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson, they go after bow Nick. Sean Payton talks
Speaker 2: about how this is his guy. Kind of a rocky
Speaker 2: start at the beginning of the year. But the way
Speaker 2: that they've they're back after the year, the way that
Speaker 2: the Broncos have have attacked this season, I feel like
Speaker 2: they are in a prime. They should feel so happy
Speaker 2: with the year that they've had. Yeah, whether or not
Speaker 2: they win this game, it's gonna be tough to win
Speaker 2: out in Buffalo. They could do it, but you know,
Speaker 2: obviously every team could do it. But I feel like
Speaker 2: Denver should be riding high with the year that they
Speaker 2: they've had. The Chargers, it's like hardball comes in establishes
Speaker 2: his culture pretty quickly. They're built on defensive run game.
Speaker 2: You got a lot of guys who are like no
Speaker 2: names out there on the not no names, but you're
Speaker 2: not talking about him like the superstars of the league, like.
Speaker 4: The names Joey Bosa, I mean, Khalil Mack.
Speaker 2: Yeah and yeah, but Khalil Mack he's like older.
Speaker 4: It's not like, yeah, he's older, but he's still He's
Speaker 4: still a name that even the most casual family will recognize.
Speaker 2: And then who's my boy linebacker piss missile Denzel Perryman.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Zel Perryman watching him fly around. Uh, but
Speaker 2: they've had an awesome year is do we know if
Speaker 2: Antonio peers, if he's getting fired or not. I know
Speaker 2: we're doing this podcast right now on Black Monday. The
Speaker 2: last thing I saw, He's like, as far as I know,
Speaker 2: nobody said something to me. Nobody has said anything to me.
Speaker 4: There's an interesting I mean Schefter. So Schefter had a
Speaker 4: nice little thing on NFL Live yesterday kind of going
Speaker 4: through all the coaches that are on the hot seat,
Speaker 4: and when his name came up, it was either Safer
Speaker 4: out and they said safe. He said, these things can
Speaker 4: change it in any moment, But it feels like they're
Speaker 4: gonna hold on off on it for the time being.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, No, it's Al Davis, right. They talk about him
Speaker 2: being a very impatient owner. Yeah, Mark Davis fault, My fault,
Speaker 2: Mark Davis. They talk about him being very impatient as
Speaker 2: an owner when you hear all the rumblings of the
Speaker 2: fans from Raider Nation. But yeah, maybe they hang on
Speaker 2: to him for another year. Yeah, I don't. Maybe they
Speaker 2: hang on to him for that for another year. I
Speaker 2: know a couple of Raiders fans were talking like it
Speaker 2: could be verable because you have the Tom Brady connection.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think wherever Vrabel goes is going
Speaker 4: to be huge for that franchise.
Speaker 2: It just depends who.
Speaker 4: We saw that he interviewed for the head coaching job
Speaker 4: a couple of days ago.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's the job the job you want
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know Rogers people are saying, people that are
Speaker 4: close to him, they were saying, that's his last game
Speaker 4: in the NFL. Then he does a prescontence, but they
Speaker 4: must not be that close, and so it just feels
Speaker 4: the Jets, as always just feel a little uncomfortable if
Speaker 4: you're dipping your tae back in as a head coach.
Speaker 2: I want to see what happens with the Cowboys.
Speaker 4: Have they come out and said McCarthy's good or not,
Speaker 4: because that seems like if you want a fresh start
Speaker 4: on a globally known brand and know that you have
Speaker 4: enough time to establish your culture, the Cowboys are that team.
Speaker 4: That's what makes the Cowboys such a great feeling as
Speaker 4: a head coach is because you know, it's not like
Speaker 4: the Panthers. It's not like Mark Davis where you get impatient.
Speaker 4: Jerry Jones is known that family is known to sit
Speaker 4: by their head coach long after the rest of the
Speaker 4: world has thought they should go, right because McCarthy. We
Speaker 4: were sitting there last year going, we think McCarthy should
Speaker 4: be gone. At least I was saying that I thought
Speaker 4: I thought it was time for him to go.
Speaker 7: Jerry Jones is too busy acting in episodes of The Landman.
Speaker 2: Right now, you run in a football team. Can we
Speaker 2: get updates on Mike McCarthy. Can you type in Mike
Speaker 2: McCarthy other than Jerry Jones Landman, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 4: Show I've never heard of, and is still photo of
Speaker 4: him laying by a hospital bed.
Speaker 2: That's what he's doing. Can you give you type in
Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy. I just see him start typing in Jerry
Speaker 2: Jones land Man. I'm like, all right, this is no
Speaker 2: update on Mike McCarthy. They're firing them.
Speaker 4: Well, we got any news?
Speaker 2: Feels cowboy speculation. What's the ladies about him? Yeah? This
Speaker 2: stuff probably won't come out for another Should we call schefter?
Speaker 2: You have his number? Yeah? Give he's a Michigan guy.
Speaker 2: Give the show to say, from one Michigan man to another,
Speaker 2: I need some intel. Mike Carthy stander going, Mike McCarthy
Speaker 2: stander going forty four? Of course, Yeah, you know, big
Speaker 2: cats out there hope and praying for Ben Johnson. Rabes
Speaker 2: you got uh, I don't know if they're actual, Like
Speaker 2: it's legit rumors with people speculated with John Gruden, I think,
Speaker 2: to me, if you're the Bears, Rabel's gonna be an
Speaker 2: awesome head coach. But to me, if you're the Bears,
Speaker 2: you want to get somebody who is very much offensive
Speaker 2: minded or can speak to the quarterback. Because they got Caleb.
Speaker 2: They got Caleb Williams, Like you need a fully invest
Speaker 2: and buy into that asset, which is Caleb Williams to
Speaker 2: see if he has it or doesn't have it. He's
Speaker 2: obviously got a lot of talent ability. Then you got
Speaker 2: the Jets. Jets will always be interesting. I feel like Vrave,
Speaker 2: he's kind of the first big name on the wave
Speaker 2: of getting interviews. But I feel like that's just like
Speaker 2: Vrave's doing that. You get your name out there, it's started.
Speaker 2: He's starting to get interviews all over the place. It
Speaker 2: makes the most sense, it seems like with New England.
Speaker 2: I mean, New England got that win yesterday and immediately
Speaker 2: after the game they did a press release. Robert Kraft there,
Speaker 2: this is the hardest thing I had to do in
Speaker 2: my career. I've known this gets in two thousand and seven. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean he was the player. He was a player
Speaker 2: there and everything, right, But now that he's gone, it's
Speaker 2: like that one makes too much sense that Ray would
Speaker 2: just go back to New England. So maybe he goes
Speaker 2: to Maybe he goes to New England. What's another one
Speaker 2: still in the AFC? That AFC uh? What is that
Speaker 2: AFC wes AFC East AFC East Miami Dolphins. You saw
Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill? Yeah, that's I.
Speaker 4: Mean, that's crazy. Here's here's the problem. I like Tyreek
Speaker 4: a lot, but you got like I'm telling you right now, Tyreek,
Speaker 4: you are a spoiled boy.
Speaker 2: You're a man.
Speaker 4: For you to say, for you to say, I have
Speaker 4: this is the first time I ever missed playoffs and
Speaker 4: you've been in the league for ten plus years. Yeah, Bro,
Speaker 4: I made the playoffs three times. Some guys never make
Speaker 4: the playoffs like you have been lucky to be a
Speaker 4: part of an amazing Chiefs team and a Dolphins team
Speaker 4: that was successful. But Bro, Bro, you just don't know.
Speaker 4: I think you don't know about the heartaches come to
Speaker 4: the Titans.
Speaker 2: Bro. I think It's hilarious that he utilizes that I
Speaker 2: got to do his best for me and my family,
Speaker 2: as in, I haven't made the playoffs and I'm out
Speaker 2: of here because I got to do it one year.
Speaker 2: Haven't made the playoffs. Your family's not send back like dad,
Speaker 2: what're we doing? We got to get to the playoffs.
Speaker 2: We got to get out of here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Tyr, we don't care you getting paid that much.
Speaker 4: We want to see We want to see the playoffs.
Speaker 4: We want to see you get that sixty thousand dollars
Speaker 4: game chat.
Speaker 2: I think Tyreek two he's represented by Rosenhaus, is he. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so if he's wanting out, he just signed a three
Speaker 2: year deal in twenty four. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean, if somebody wants out a guy like Tyreek,
Speaker 4: he still got so munch juice he can go every
Speaker 4: once every time. Would be like, yeah, we'll pay for that.
Speaker 7: Garrett brought up a good point. That's Tyreek's profile picture
Speaker 7: on Twitter, right.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's funny. That is funny that.
Speaker 4: I mean, Yeah, Tyreek, like brother, I understand your frustration.
Speaker 4: This is the first time we've gone through it. This
Speaker 4: is why losing is the best teacher.
Speaker 2: But how many times you make the playoffs twice. No,
Speaker 2: I mean one time twice.
Speaker 4: One time, one time in a twenty year career. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and I mean I was looking to make it three times.
Speaker 4: Like we got thirty years of NFL experience and we've
Speaker 4: got four playoff runs.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Man, those motherfuckers on the Chiefs that just get
Speaker 2: super Bowls and playoffs and and buys and playoffs and
Speaker 2: super bowls.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: The only place time he needs to go, though, is
Speaker 4: back to the Chiefs. Incredible, He's got to go back.
Speaker 4: There's going to be a place to go. It's going
Speaker 4: to go back.
Speaker 2: That insane might put that on a futures bet. Where
Speaker 2: would I put that? Will? The NFC is where you
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Speaker 2: call me back, huge typo, huge typeo, huge typo. He
Speaker 2: called you a cheft, he called you back, he.
Speaker 4: Called me back, hit him, hit him on, hit him out.
Speaker 4: I feel kind of bad because if I'm like, hey,
Speaker 4: I want to know about Mike McCarthy, you're on Bust
Speaker 4: with the voice of like Taylor is so inappropriate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just say this is gonna be very inappropriate.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh hey, that's good.
Speaker 2: I'll use that. I'll use that, like, listen, you're gonna
Speaker 2: be so pissed and you're gonna think this is so inappropriate.
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Speaker 2: when the Boys drop episodes and drop contact. I'm putting my.
Speaker 4: Phone a lot. I'm putting my phone a lot. He
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Speaker 4: Oh Taylor Adam on.
Speaker 2: TV so so professional. Before we go to the NFC,
Speaker 2: I just want to say I feel terrible for Steelers fans.
Speaker 2: They've ended on such a bad note in the regular season.
Speaker 2: They've kind of limped into the playoffs. They've been in
Speaker 2: such a dilemma because they're always in this spot to
Speaker 2: where they're like the fifth through seventh seed. They're in
Speaker 2: the middle of the pack and drafting, they can't get
Speaker 2: themselves a quarterback. There was a little bit of glimmer
Speaker 2: of hope with Russell Wilson early in the year. They
Speaker 2: end up going with Russell over Justin Fields and that
Speaker 2: just to be in this exact same spot where their
Speaker 2: defense is good enough. They kind of came alive last week,
Speaker 2: but they just have no offensive firepower. So I just
Speaker 2: want to stay before we go to the NFC, my
Speaker 2: heart goes out to Steelers Nation because it's it sucks. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it sucks, man. I hope they can somehow pull it off.
Speaker 2: You we know we love our boy Artie Smith out there,
Speaker 2: no doubt, and we love the videos that come through
Speaker 2: on my timeline of Mike Tomlin given some juice in
Speaker 2: a team.
Speaker 4: Yes, the intensity of those eyes second to none, a.
Speaker 2: Guy who's been there for so long. But it's just
Speaker 2: every year there in this exact same spot. This year
Speaker 2: seems worse than the others because they're on like a
Speaker 2: what a four game losing streak? O, man, dude, Lions
Speaker 2: just beat the breaks off the Vikings. Beat the breaks
Speaker 2: off the Vikings.
Speaker 4: I mean, played phenomenal four touchdowns.
Speaker 2: There's a couple of things that I'll I'll say, I'll
Speaker 2: save it for the locker room, but just the Lions
Speaker 2: beat the breaks off the bikes.
Speaker 4: The weakness, the only weakness they have is having this
Speaker 4: buy was we are finding out it's such a dangerous
Speaker 4: place to be unless unless you've been there before, like
Speaker 4: the Chiefs, like the Well, no, they've been there before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, unless you've been they've been there before,
Speaker 2: and Chiefs have been there before, so they'll be ready
Speaker 2: to Yeah.
Speaker 4: These games not as clear cut to me.
Speaker 2: As the A f C games. Has much more depth
Speaker 2: in the A f C.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sneaky team, dude, the Rams.
Speaker 2: Sneaky, sneaky Vikings, sneaky Commanders. Could sneaky have an upset
Speaker 2: over the Bucks? Yeah, an upside over the Eagles they.
Speaker 4: Could, dude, we could be looking at I mean, besides
Speaker 4: the Rams, every lower seed winning whichever, I'm going to
Speaker 4: assume that the Rams are an underdog in this game.
Speaker 4: I haven't looked at the line right now.
Speaker 2: I think the Draft DraftKings app has the Vikings favored
Speaker 2: by two and a half over the Rams, So yeah,
Speaker 2: they have underdogs.
Speaker 4: We're gonna have a game that'll be in l a.
Speaker 2: I mean, ultimately, the Vikings and the Lions are battling
Speaker 2: for the number one spot in the NFC. You know,
Speaker 2: obviously Eagles have too, but these are those are the Vikings.
Speaker 2: Eagles and the Lions are the top three teams in
Speaker 2: the NFC record wise, I know record.
Speaker 4: Wise, but don't get don't know the Packers in there too, guys.
Speaker 2: I feel like, don't be a prisoner in the moment. Bro. Vikings.
Speaker 2: Yeah they got the rassle, but just think of what
Speaker 2: the Vikings have been doing all year long, no.
Speaker 4: Doubt, Bro, I'm telling you Vikings are great.
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 4: I'm rams are plus two for money.
Speaker 2: Line gotch got you. Line's moved a little bit.
Speaker 4: So listen, I'm worried about your commanders in this game.
Speaker 4: I'm worried, Baker, Sure, spicy dude. Playing in Florida is
Speaker 4: a bitch in the wintertime, cause your body's kind of
Speaker 4: used to the cold, your like lungs have gotten kind
Speaker 4: of used to it. And then you walk into that
Speaker 4: humidity a little bit.
Speaker 2: You know what it's like.
Speaker 4: You remember going to Jacksonville December and being like, what
Speaker 4: the fuck is this? Yeah, you're still dealing with this
Speaker 4: down here.
Speaker 2: It is different. Yeah, it's tough. No, I'm with you.
Speaker 2: Just to me like in the NFC. NFC has all
Speaker 2: the games, dude, to where it's like, I mean, sixty
Speaker 2: one is not bad?
Speaker 7: Is that the sixty one yeah, sixty one, high sixty one,
Speaker 7: low forty nine.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that they're never mind the Commanders just
Speaker 6: everything to say, Commanders having this kind of momentum going
Speaker 6: into a playoffs for the first time in forever, I
Speaker 6: mean not since like long before my generation.
Speaker 2: There, like anytime we got in the playoffs, it was
Speaker 2: just we just sneak in and we were always coined
Speaker 2: the NFC, or least we say, we'd be saying NFC
Speaker 2: beast though. I bet your bitch as was run at him,
Speaker 2: run at him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, those be fun games with their numbers and the Rams.
Speaker 4: They had themselves a little bio away. They said, all
Speaker 4: their starters Vikings limping into the playoffs after a bad
Speaker 4: b from the number one.
Speaker 2: The fun part about the Vikings Rams too, as you
Speaker 2: got O'Connell versus mcvayh. Yeah, they've they've been they've been
Speaker 2: on the same staff for so long. And again like
Speaker 2: Stafford in the playoffs.
Speaker 4: Mode, how's the health of his team right now? Yeah,
Speaker 4: I think Coop's playing. He's playing.
Speaker 2: I think they're pretty healthy for the most part, and
Speaker 2: their young un defenses really came along in the back
Speaker 2: half of the year. It'd be an awesome match. Bring Fisk,
Speaker 2: He's a beast. Brot Su. Yeah, really, that's awesome. It's
Speaker 2: tough to crack that Pro Bowl line up. Your first
Speaker 2: year brought Bowers. Oh brought Bowers. He got it unanimous, right,
Speaker 2: Mike Mayer? Yeah, yeah, you had.
Speaker 7: Some sure, Well correct me if I'm wrong. Fun fact,
Speaker 7: first time I think in over twenty years that same
Speaker 7: city teams could play in the Super Bowl of Chargers
Speaker 7: and Rams.
Speaker 2: It's fun. Fact, it would be fun. That'd be fun.
Speaker 2: That's something that I'll probably start betting right now.
Speaker 1: I saw something. This is like a it's like a
Speaker 1: pretty good point. Obviously, the Chargers in the AFC, uh
Speaker 1: Rams are in the NFC. What if they were both
Speaker 1: number one seeds and they both made it to then
Speaker 1: like the uh division championship. How would that work with
Speaker 1: it being like like.
Speaker 2: One on Saturday, one on Sunday.
Speaker 1: But normally they're both on Sunday?
Speaker 2: Are they?
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I.
Speaker 2: Think that you're talking about Championship week, like NFC champions champion,
Speaker 2: the championship that division, the championship games are both on Sunday.
Speaker 2: Yeah they are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So like, how would that work with like filing
Speaker 1: fans in and out.
Speaker 2: You know, they haven't thought about that at all.
Speaker 1: I know, but that's like it's a cool thing to
Speaker 1: think about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 1: That'd be awesome just to see how flip a coin.
Speaker 2: You know, they just flex one game or they have
Speaker 2: to break them up.
Speaker 1: But it is cool. But then if you think about it,
Speaker 1: the team that played Saturday has that one extra rest
Speaker 1: day going into the Super Bowl, So it's like, kind
Speaker 1: of how do you make that even.
Speaker 2: It still could happen, they don't need to be one seeds.
Speaker 2: Like if the Broncos made it on their side and
Speaker 2: the Packers made it on their side both in LA
Speaker 2: and the Chargers, they both that situation could come up
Speaker 2: this year. Insane Final four.
Speaker 1: I saw that on Twitter. I'm like, that's interesting, Like,
Speaker 1: how would that even work?
Speaker 4: Going nuts right now? Yeah, somebody's figuring that out. Think
Speaker 4: about like the Super Bowl halftime show, how quickly they
Speaker 4: break that ship down all the time. They really they
Speaker 4: just gotta change some turf paint for them. I felt
Speaker 4: that would be an easy Yeah, you do you do
Speaker 4: a noon game and you do a seven pm game.
Speaker 7: Or I bet they would do one of them at
Speaker 7: the Coliseum.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, Maybe you're gonna tell a team, Hey,
Speaker 4: we're gonna do a neutral US home field usc Is Compton. Yeah,
Speaker 4: in the Colisseum, the Rose Bowls in Pasadena.
Speaker 2: No one gets where they just played the state.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what if they all just play a pick up
Speaker 4: game of basketball?
Speaker 2: Right? Hey, Before we get into the Francis Ellis interview,
Speaker 2: thoughts on Titans having a number one overall pick, it
Speaker 2: was gonna blow it. Yeah, I know. It's like the
Speaker 2: worst year, especially when you're a team that you know,
Speaker 2: everybody talking Titans need a quarterback.
Speaker 4: Bro when it's yeah, and everyone is kind of saying,
Speaker 4: this is the worst draft class, Like this draft class
Speaker 4: is not that great. It's not that strong. The quarterbacks
Speaker 4: Shadrick Sanders. People have been saying first overall pick all
Speaker 4: year long. Now all of a sudden's reports coming out
Speaker 4: saying he's not like some teams say, he's not a
Speaker 4: first round grade.
Speaker 2: There's something.
Speaker 3: There's somebody just like start that people are running.
Speaker 4: That's how shit works, though, there's all this is when
Speaker 4: we're gonna start to get in the world of smoking mirrors.
Speaker 2: You can have those team making the teams that are
Speaker 2: slotted like twenty through thirty two in the draft, like
Speaker 2: a couple of those scouts Conda. Yeah, I don't even
Speaker 2: have his first round grade, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And that right there can just be a headline or
Speaker 2: rumor on X Yeah. True, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Was all interesting first overall pick. We got a lot
Speaker 3: of picks later in the draft that you can move
Speaker 3: around with.
Speaker 2: Don't We think the number one QB in the draft
Speaker 2: is cam Ward.
Speaker 3: Though I don't know, dude, he quit halftime.
Speaker 2: Bro, It's right, good point, Well you got JP.
Speaker 5: I feel like the city of Nashville needs some buzz
Speaker 5: and I think they should take Shaudur or Travis Hunter,
Speaker 5: either one of them.
Speaker 4: Like right, was possible in the times, right, I think the.
Speaker 5: Move is to trade it. But if you were to pick,
Speaker 5: I do think you take Shudar or Travis Hunter solely
Speaker 5: for the buzz of like we gotta get this this
Speaker 5: city energized again, and those two could do it. And
Speaker 5: I feel good about Shadur because at the end of
Speaker 5: the day, like he knows how to prepare like a
Speaker 5: pro and he's been held to a high standard his
Speaker 5: whole life. Cam Ward, like, I mean, I think he'll
Speaker 5: be really good. But Shadua like, I don't know. I
Speaker 5: think he's gonna be a really good NFL.
Speaker 2: I think too got good poise. Adam and Taylor, this
Speaker 2: is so inappropriate. How are you.
Speaker 4: Because right now I'm filming an episode of Busting with
Speaker 4: the Boys and we were talking, We're like what we
Speaker 4: what's going on with Mike McCarthy And I was like, well,
Speaker 4: I can call Adam and the Will is like, yeah,
Speaker 4: call Adam. Do you know anything about do you care
Speaker 4: about if I just put you on speakerphone and Busting
Speaker 4: with the Boys right now? This is also being recorded,
Speaker 4: so we can cut it.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, all right, all right.
Speaker 1: He just.
Speaker 4: He said, you gotta call me afterwards. Yes, mister Sheffer, Yep, absolutely.
Speaker 2: He said, yeah, yeah, you gotta call me after.
Speaker 4: I think you trade that pic or dude, Hey, what
Speaker 4: about kirk Cousins.
Speaker 2: You talk about Titans. Yeah, that's definitely a possibility because
Speaker 2: they they're definitely it seems like they could fuck this
Speaker 2: whole time. It would take.
Speaker 3: They would take Justin Fields over Kirk Cousins. Neither one
Speaker 3: is gonna yeah, but that's my point. One can at
Speaker 3: least run around. But no, I think you. I think
Speaker 3: you move around with it. I would love to see
Speaker 3: us get that Penn Sam Darnold, Abdull Carter would be
Speaker 3: nice to pick up Abdull Carter. The Penn State edge
Speaker 3: rusher would be sick and a wide receiver.
Speaker 2: Is that number eleven for Penn State? Bro? He's like
Speaker 2: a Parson's out there running around Bro, his motor and
Speaker 2: his speed sideline the sidelines.
Speaker 4: What are you gonna do?
Speaker 3: What's gonna happen with Jeff? Like you have sweat in
Speaker 3: the middle, Ye, get you an edge? Because what's Harold
Speaker 3: gonna do?
Speaker 2: Like, yes, he's still gonna be around and sucks.
Speaker 3: That I'm talking about defensive players in the offense put
Speaker 3: up thirty points twice.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I bet think he'll get I think he'll
Speaker 2: get a veteran quarterback in the market. I think you
Speaker 2: have to.
Speaker 3: I think Cali would work better with a vet that
Speaker 3: This could sound weird, but a vet that would maybe
Speaker 3: have some pushback to be like, no, this is what
Speaker 3: I think would work.
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, he does, he does have Let's go, He's
Speaker 2: got Landon Nashville, got a couple of his boys. Olivia
Speaker 2: Randall Cobb David Baktiari. Yeah, he's got the bus and
Speaker 2: on the bus. Friend of the show, who is.
Speaker 4: The guy that was with Aaron Rodgers the other foot
Speaker 4: Poyer the safety He d m me. He said, I
Speaker 4: saw a locker room. He's like, if you're actually interested
Speaker 4: in doing ayahuasca, we're setting up this whole entire thing
Speaker 4: in March, if you'd like to go.
Speaker 2: Dog.
Speaker 4: I talked to Talan about it. She's like, do not
Speaker 4: go to ayahuasca because she's like that that like mentally
Speaker 4: alters you forever.
Speaker 2: You come out a new man.
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe, but maybe I'm so enlightened. Something else happens
Speaker 4: for content.
Speaker 2: Come on to put any bullied into it.
Speaker 4: I got bullied into calling shefter, Yeah, I could be.
Speaker 4: I got bullied into share my mustache. Shut up, JP,
Speaker 4: I don't want to hear that bullshit it.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about it.
Speaker 4: See this is exactly.
Speaker 2: This is it.
Speaker 4: I really just clicked in my head you're doing it.
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty five, twenty five you said you did say
Speaker 3: that is a.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right, you're absolutely looking to you. Right, it's right.
Speaker 4: I'll think about it.
Speaker 2: Okay, let me if.
Speaker 4: The Titans place for me to tell you guys, what's
Speaker 4: going on in my life, and here I am fighting
Speaker 4: for it.
Speaker 2: Makeup for the rest of your life.
Speaker 7: Come on, I don't think change, No, it could.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm teasing. I'm teasing Francis Alice. Hey, this was
Speaker 2: an awesome episode for everybody that tuned in and listened
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Speaker 2: this one, what are we laughing at? You know?
Speaker 1: Just sure?
Speaker 2: But this is an awesome episode. I feel like he
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Speaker 4: Just to be safe. We won't talk about all right,
Speaker 4: Welcome to bus one of the boys. We were talking
Speaker 4: before about Saraian Barstool and tonight's episode and whether or
Speaker 4: not something happens, and so we're not gonna talk about it.
Speaker 4: We'll leave it alone just in case.
Speaker 8: My boy, yeah, I'm thinking.
Speaker 2: You know that movie scene where he's like holding his son.
Speaker 8: He's like, my boy, no, no, no, no, what happens there?
Speaker 8: Fire He's talking about dead poets society.
Speaker 2: Oh, you're talking about dea pots society. I don't even
Speaker 2: know what I'm talking about. You've seen the movie scene.
Speaker 8: It happens in both of those movies.
Speaker 2: One am I like my mean video album, My boy
Speaker 2: mean video album. It could be when.
Speaker 8: Yeah, he dies in Goblet of Fire as well, but
Speaker 8: it's possibly Dead Poets Society.
Speaker 4: Do you think Will is watching Dead pote Society? Do
Speaker 4: you think Will's ever do you think anyone's ever said
Speaker 4: to Will? Oh, captain, my captain, Will's gone? Yeah, it
Speaker 4: was captain of Nebraska, That's what he's fucking. I guess
Speaker 4: they knew I was a captain of Nebraska the Redskins
Speaker 4: for a year.
Speaker 2: I love it. Man.
Speaker 8: Those are good references and good, very good.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Welcome to bus with the boys friends.
Speaker 8: I'm thrilled to be truly thrilled to be here. I
Speaker 8: was saying to Will. There are very few podcasts for
Speaker 8: which I would actually fly to do them, and this
Speaker 8: is one of them. And others would be like Rogan THEO.
Speaker 8: You know, Okay, Tim Dillon short list. By the way,
Speaker 8: I'm not I'm not saying I'm getting invited on those.
Speaker 8: I'm saying, you know, I put you guys in that
Speaker 8: tier when you when.
Speaker 4: You go and do like tires and you see I mean,
Speaker 4: obviously we're all have a relationship with Shane, but you're
Speaker 4: a comedian. You're in tires with Shane.
Speaker 2: Is there a piece of you.
Speaker 4: It's like I'm getting close to the to the experience.
Speaker 8: To like getting on Rogan. Yeah, I want to if
Speaker 8: we consider Rogan sort of the the black Belt the Mountaintop.
Speaker 4: I think you have to, right, He's the number one podcast,
Speaker 4: like ninety countries, absolutely, so he is the black Belt
Speaker 4: the Mountaintop.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I it is one of those things where I don't
Speaker 8: I don't want to speak about it. It's it's it's like, uh,
Speaker 8: there's a line from Gladiator where he where I think
Speaker 8: it's the original Emperor before he gets killed by his
Speaker 8: son and he's like there was a time when Roan was,
Speaker 8: you know, so delicate that you could just whisper about
Speaker 8: it and it would disappear or something. Yeah, Like I
Speaker 8: don't want to I don't even want want to whisper
Speaker 8: about Rose delicate.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know it's in the distance somewhere. You know,
Speaker 4: it might be around there for years.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I've I've you know, I don't really know what
Speaker 8: the row is there. But I'm not going to force it,
Speaker 8: that's for sure. I'm not going to ask for favors.
Speaker 8: I just know that that is one of those things
Speaker 8: that needs to happen. Naturally, and it'll happen if it happens.
Speaker 4: Being around Bert and Shane. That's always been their thing
Speaker 4: because obviously anybody a pedestrian on the street if they
Speaker 4: got a call was like, hey, go on Joe Rogan experience,
Speaker 4: they would go on Joe Rogan experience. But the guys
Speaker 4: that have been on, when they see you, whether you
Speaker 4: talk about wanting to go on the show or not,
Speaker 4: they're like, if you ever see them, don't bring up
Speaker 4: the show, don't talk about it at all, because that
Speaker 4: is when you essentually get NNEX for life. Sure you
Speaker 4: get sent to the.
Speaker 8: The Yeah, the Blue Lug ironically. I mean, I've also
Speaker 8: heard stories of people who you know, dropped in did
Speaker 8: a set at the Mothership just like impromptu or whatever.
Speaker 8: Rogan had never met them before, saw their set, and
Speaker 8: then was like, want to do the show tomorrow? Right crazy,
Speaker 8: and it was just that quick and out of the blue.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's how it kind of went down
Speaker 2: with Jelly Roll too, right, like he met him maybe
Speaker 2: out at the Mothership and out with them for one
Speaker 2: night and then literally the next day. Yeah, at that
Speaker 2: point was like Jilly rules, Yeah, pretty big, just got
Speaker 2: a donkey.
Speaker 4: Just got a pet donkey? You see that clip? No, yeah,
Speaker 4: his wife bought a donkey yesterday for what?
Speaker 2: Just life?
Speaker 4: Just when you have everything, what else do you want?
Speaker 4: You want a donkey?
Speaker 8: Do you know what donkeys are supposedly amazing for is
Speaker 8: keeping like coyotes and predators away from the rest of
Speaker 8: your livestock.
Speaker 2: Yes, you should get a donkey.
Speaker 4: I got a great Pyerne.
Speaker 2: I don't need a donkey.
Speaker 4: I want That was a conversation though, when we were
Speaker 4: going through what do we want to protect our goats?
Speaker 4: My first thought with donkeys. The thing with donkeys though,
Speaker 4: was a little more aggressive. They're stronger ship too, Like
Speaker 4: they'll pick up goats by their neck and just walk
Speaker 4: around with them for a little bit. They have to
Speaker 4: walk he put them down.
Speaker 2: Wow, Like they have like lock jar or something like that.
Speaker 8: Wild they are. I have a terrible donkey story. Actually,
Speaker 8: go ahead, Uh. I have a small place in the
Speaker 8: Hudson Valley, New York, and I'll go up there and
Speaker 8: it's sort of farm country. And a friend of mine
Speaker 8: from up there had asked if I would go to
Speaker 8: their house to feed their cat while they were traveling.
Speaker 8: And I went to the house to feed the cat,
Speaker 8: and I had a small dog with me, our French
Speaker 8: bulldog who just passed away. But he came and they
Speaker 8: have two donkeys, and I let him out of the
Speaker 8: car and went and fed the cat. And he was
Speaker 8: barking at the donkeys. And there was a fence, just
Speaker 8: a wood fence that was easily you know, you could
Speaker 8: go under it, and he's barking at them from the edge.
Speaker 8: They were out in the middle of the field, and
Speaker 8: then he went under and started chasing them, and they
Speaker 8: were running away from him, running away from him, and
Speaker 8: he was running them in laps, small tiny French bulldog,
Speaker 8: and then they all of a sudden just were like,
Speaker 8: wait a minute, we're not bothered by this fucking rat.
Speaker 8: And they stopped and they turned and they started trying
Speaker 8: to stamp on him. And I watched this and I
Speaker 8: was like, this is it. It's over. They're gonna cave
Speaker 8: his head in with their gigantic donkey hoo.
Speaker 2: Now, are you jumping over the fence to go in there?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 8: Yeah, at that point I did, and he quickly was like, oh,
Speaker 8: I bit off more than I could too, and I
Speaker 8: ran over and he came to me because but but
Speaker 8: one of the blows glanced off of his fur such
Speaker 8: that you could actually see the hoof print coming down
Speaker 8: the side of his coat.
Speaker 4: No shit, Yeah, war scars.
Speaker 2: So you saw two donkeys chasing your French bulldogs. Well
Speaker 2: they turned the tables, Yeah, turned the tables. You see
Speaker 2: this happen and you actually went in there.
Speaker 4: To fight the donkeys.
Speaker 8: Yes, because my wife at the time, who is now
Speaker 8: my ex wife, had I told her. Unfortunately, Koji has
Speaker 8: passed away. He was curb stomped by a donkey. Right,
Speaker 8: that's just the type of thing that, you know, leads
Speaker 8: to little intimacy for quite some.
Speaker 2: Time, a long dress. Two questions came from that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: well you you made it out of that dust up
Speaker 2: without a concussion?
Speaker 8: I did. Yeah, the donkeys knew not to fuck with me.
Speaker 2: Do you have helmets? Yeah? In case you're good?
Speaker 8: Good God.
Speaker 2: You say you about the concussion? Yeah, yeah, I said,
Speaker 2: So you made it out of there without getting a concussion. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was gonna be my one of my questions. Great,
Speaker 2: what's up with your head?
Speaker 8: Yeah it's not great. It's hanging on by a string.
Speaker 4: It's so smart, so quick witted. Yeah, yet a pillow
Speaker 4: essentially a pillow.
Speaker 2: Would you say in that clip, is this brain made
Speaker 2: of paper?
Speaker 8: Yes, our ginger's brains made and.
Speaker 4: Which on looking at back of people like these dumb
Speaker 4: bubs like I guess they're right the way I was
Speaker 4: the way.
Speaker 8: I know you didn't know that I've had a bunch,
Speaker 8: I mean, have I ever? I don't know if I've
Speaker 8: told you guys this story about the time that I
Speaker 8: got beaten up by the lobster man in Maine. She
Speaker 8: was really bad. I got really, really hurt. I told
Speaker 8: that on a man chains. Have you heard that story?
Speaker 2: What do you say it in your set? Yes? Yes? Yeah,
Speaker 2: well you and all the boys you guys were getting
Speaker 2: after it.
Speaker 8: Yeah. Well I was trying to stop the fight and
Speaker 8: then they just thought I was part of the thing
Speaker 8: and they beat me up. So that was one. I mean,
Speaker 8: that was a really bad one. That broke my nose
Speaker 8: so badly, uh that even when it heeled, I couldn't
Speaker 8: breathe out of my left nostril. And I didn't know
Speaker 8: that until years later when I started doing cocaine and
Speaker 8: I couldn't get any up. The left nostril tell a problem,
Speaker 8: and it was embarrassing because people were like, dude, you
Speaker 8: need to alternate nostrils or you're going to deviate your septum.
Speaker 8: And I was like, well, that would give me an
Speaker 8: excuse to get a rhinoplasty without making it seem like
Speaker 8: it's for esthetic purposes, which is exactly what I was
Speaker 8: looking for, because nobody wants a guy to get a
Speaker 8: nose job.
Speaker 4: You know, from cocaine without excuse.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 8: So anyway, the point is that was one. Then lacrosse
Speaker 8: I had like two or three, one of which resulted
Speaker 8: in me being taken off the field in an ambulance.
Speaker 8: And that was the worst one. That was the word
Speaker 8: it's fine.
Speaker 2: Are you laughing at that?
Speaker 8: It's fine?
Speaker 2: Like it's a real sport. No, I know, I don't know.
Speaker 8: It's not really real sport, but it is.
Speaker 2: It's a real sport. Let me say this, you a
Speaker 2: scholarship for it?
Speaker 8: No, they don't do that at ivy League school. There's
Speaker 8: no athletic scholarships, only need based.
Speaker 2: But hold on is like a loophole.
Speaker 4: Like if you're a good lacrosse player, you're a good
Speaker 4: football player, basketball player, whatever it is.
Speaker 8: You'll get in.
Speaker 2: You'll get in, but you won't get money. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: don't need the grades at the.
Speaker 8: Yeah, there's a little more. There's a little more.
Speaker 4: Leans switch of muggles and wizards, Like essentially the athletes
Speaker 4: are really the muggles.
Speaker 8: So they would let a mud blood in.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, okay, not to get no, yeah, fair enough,
Speaker 4: not to get racial.
Speaker 8: But yeah, they'll they'll, they'll kind of give you a
Speaker 8: little more wiggle room on academics. But you know, I
Speaker 8: wasn't far off academically.
Speaker 2: Okay, just a little bit.
Speaker 4: So you got you got ambulance cart it off?
Speaker 2: Yeah that one. Yeah, what happened? Stick to the head.
Speaker 8: No, I was hit and then I was hit. I
Speaker 8: took a shot, like a shot on goal. I think
Speaker 8: I jumped and shot, and then a defender while I
Speaker 8: was in the air hit me and I like imagine
Speaker 8: a receiver going up for a pass. And I came
Speaker 8: down and the back of my head hit the turf
Speaker 8: as hard as you know, just whiplash, bang, and I
Speaker 8: had a seizure from it. No ship, and that's why
Speaker 8: they called the ambulance.
Speaker 2: Damn. I don't, I don't. I'm not like.
Speaker 8: In my head trauma.
Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck, you know, just yes, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 8: So at that at the point is is that I
Speaker 8: avoid now, I avoid activities that might induce head trauma.
Speaker 8: I don't play like men's league lacrosse. I don't do
Speaker 8: any of that stuff. I don't even really play like.
Speaker 8: I won't even play men's league basketball anymore. And so
Speaker 8: heading into that challenge, I saw what it was going
Speaker 8: to be, and I thought it was a joke. I
Speaker 8: was like, surely there must be some.
Speaker 2: Catch, especially the way the teams are divvied up.
Speaker 8: My god, you know, you put the fucking monstars on
Speaker 8: one team and then a bunch of you know, fucking
Speaker 8: muggle brained moron. I can't wait.
Speaker 2: So you tell this story and just the context with
Speaker 2: Biz and everything else, because in my mind, like, you're
Speaker 2: an athlete in my mind, so I'm thinking, like, all right,
Speaker 2: if we can just get Francis, he's probably he's gonna
Speaker 2: be their force. But then when we were banged up
Speaker 2: talking out later that night, it was I was laughing
Speaker 2: as hard as I've ever laughed listening to him tell
Speaker 2: this entire story about going up against Biz.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, so you know, yeah.
Speaker 4: You and you and Wit were the two people. You're like,
Speaker 4: I really got to worry about that.
Speaker 2: Man, you guys watch wit. I mean it's like, okay, yeah, but.
Speaker 4: With to me, hockey player they have great center of balance.
Speaker 4: I've had a little scuffle with who's the guy you hate,
Speaker 4: James Neil. I've wrestled him and he's he's got it,
Speaker 4: And so I just thought to myself, like, hockey players
Speaker 4: really are like that when it comes to balance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we could be sneaky.
Speaker 8: Well, that was what I said immediately. You know, if
Speaker 8: you asked yourself, is there some body of work that
Speaker 8: would lend itself to preparing for this job challenge, which
Speaker 8: is physical combat on poor footing? My god, you know,
Speaker 8: hockey enforcers right at the top of the list. I
Speaker 8: don't know what could be better. Uh So maybe one
Speaker 8: of those like Japanese game show guys that like stands
Speaker 8: over the water and like runs and I don't know,
Speaker 8: And uh so, sure enough, my first my first opponent
Speaker 8: is Kelly Keegs, And I'm like, oh, thank goodness, you know.
Speaker 2: Uh and as you're thinking too, like I'm like the
Speaker 2: strongest gullery. They're gonna put me up against all these enforces.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because before the show you were talking about how
Speaker 4: you've been really on your health. You've been moving around,
Speaker 4: you've been doing your cold touch you essaisally were being
Speaker 4: your character from Tomas Calves are incredible and beautiful.
Speaker 2: Yes, hey, well sculpted body. Yeah, that's that's a great frame.
Speaker 8: I got that from my dad.
Speaker 4: You don't say, Dad, look at us. You should see
Speaker 4: day for the little pencils day.
Speaker 8: Thanks to our father. So, yeah, what happened to your dad?
Speaker 2: Well, well, he's uh, he's actually lost a lot of weight.
Speaker 2: Used to be a bodybuilder, used to fight a lot,
Speaker 2: wasn't out haulic for an extended period of time, but
Speaker 2: that is now he's now sober. So yeah, he's doing
Speaker 2: all right, He's doing better. He's doing way better.
Speaker 8: Good heavens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was quite a caniform.
Speaker 8: I asked it.
Speaker 2: I knew.
Speaker 8: What if his dead was dead, would have been easier
Speaker 8: than that. Whatever that thing was that.
Speaker 2: We wake up in the alcoholic Yeah, we'd have to
Speaker 2: go to a local moteil in the middle of the night.
Speaker 2: But yeah, he's doing a lot better now. I'm so
Speaker 2: thrilled for both of you. Thrilled, Yeah, so thrilled for
Speaker 2: both of you.
Speaker 8: Uh so yeah, So then I my second one I
Speaker 8: get is is biz?
Speaker 4: And before with Keigs, was there a piece of you
Speaker 4: that's like I have to win this if I go? Yeah,
Speaker 4: for sure, So there's there's some nerves there.
Speaker 8: But I also I'm I would. I love Kelly. She's
Speaker 8: a friend of mine, and I was like, you know,
Speaker 8: there's a way to do this that's not barbaric, and
Speaker 8: I so I just she she kind of mentioned said
Speaker 8: something under her breath like please don't hurt me, and
Speaker 8: I was like, we can make it this easy. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 8: I was like, what's in it for you?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 8: So I just I just nudged her and that was fine,
Speaker 8: and and uh, you know, that was totally fine. And
Speaker 8: then and then next up, I get BIZ and I'm
Speaker 8: standing up there and there you guys started this macho,
Speaker 8: fucking mating call thing of who's gonna be the bitch
Speaker 8: that wears the head gear and the mouthguard? And you
Speaker 8: guys were like, fuck that, I'm having unprotected jousting sex,
Speaker 8: no condom on my head, let's raw dog each other
Speaker 8: to death. And I get up there, I put the
Speaker 8: helmet on like a fucking pussy, I've got the mouth
Speaker 8: guard and being like and then there's Biz, just clear eyed,
Speaker 8: just fucking vulnerable, scar tissue around the face, a halo
Speaker 8: of wrath protecting him from whatever meaningless blows I might
Speaker 8: deliver with my PBC pipe wrapped in foam. You guys
Speaker 8: keep saying it was a pillow. That thing had real
Speaker 8: structural integrity under the casing. It looks worse for me,
Speaker 8: but it is it had it had case. Yeah, yeah
Speaker 8: it did, so, he.
Speaker 2: Said, a dumb brain we are. He's using funny words.
Speaker 2: Its explaining in such d Yeah, just the what he's
Speaker 2: talking about. We're just like, oh, we're having fun, go ahead,
Speaker 2: keep talking.
Speaker 8: Before the record, before I went up, I turned to
Speaker 8: people on my team and I was like, this is
Speaker 8: a bad idea, if this is what we think it is.
Speaker 8: I have a history of concussions. I don't think I
Speaker 8: should do this. And then they're like uh huh, huh huh,
Speaker 8: And you could almost just hear them being like, you're
Speaker 8: out right if we lose and you don't participate, bye.
Speaker 2: So I was like, all right, I.
Speaker 8: Mean I'll take it, and then uh I get up there.
Speaker 8: There's Biz, no mouthguard, no headgear, just veins popping out
Speaker 8: of his forehead. Somehow he's flexing his face. I've never
Speaker 8: seen someone do that before. And I said, in the moment,
Speaker 8: I was like, I felt like I was staring down
Speaker 8: Miss Peach's alcoholic stepfather, just a fucking pit bull that
Speaker 8: abused its daughter in human form, you know. And there
Speaker 8: he is, and I'm just like, this is a disaster,
Speaker 8: this is my nightmare. We're so close. Yeah, we were
Speaker 8: so close, and they blow the whistle or whatever, and
Speaker 8: I mean he'd hit me twice from both sides before
Speaker 8: I had swung. And I get off the thing. I'm like, yep,
Speaker 8: I can't hear, can't hear anything, just and people are like, good, try,
Speaker 8: good try, and I'm like, did I a Yeah? And
Speaker 8: then I started feeling sick and I was like, oh, man,
Speaker 8: if I throw up, that sucks and that'll be embarrassing.
Speaker 8: So I immediately knew I had a concussion. I know
Speaker 8: the symptoms. Luckily, I've had a range of them, and
Speaker 8: this one, to me felt like it wasn't. I wasn't
Speaker 8: so discombobulated, but I knew I was concussed, and uh,
Speaker 8: I didn't want to bring the fucking production to a
Speaker 8: screeching halt. I didn't want it. But I also was like,
Speaker 8: I need I need to get some I need to
Speaker 8: get looked at.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, get a peak. Yeah, I just have
Speaker 2: it checked out.
Speaker 8: And they brought in an EMT. We did a bunch
Speaker 8: of concussion testing and then they like they filmed that,
Speaker 8: which I was like, this feels where's my blue tent?
Speaker 2: You know, where's my privacy?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 8: What's going on here? And then they were like, well,
Speaker 8: we couldn't release any of the footage because of HIPPA
Speaker 8: And I was like, well, then why did you film
Speaker 8: it just to.
Speaker 2: Make you feel comfortably? Yeah, they're doing tests on you.
Speaker 2: Follow my finger, yeah, give me the give me the
Speaker 2: months of the year backwards exactly.
Speaker 8: And she she was like, yes, you have a concussion.
Speaker 8: It is my advice that you go to the hospital
Speaker 8: to get a cat scan to rule out a brain bleed.
Speaker 8: And I would you imagine if you had a brain
Speaker 8: bleed from that, I mean, that would have been bad
Speaker 8: for everybody. And I didn't want. I didn't want that.
Speaker 8: I didn't want I didn't want it to come back
Speaker 8: poorly on the show. We were so in the middle
Speaker 8: of it, you know what I mean. At that point,
Speaker 8: there was so much momentum. Everyone was so bought in
Speaker 8: h and my team had lost, so I knew, you
Speaker 8: know you immediately had that thought of like, if I
Speaker 8: miss a single secretive conversation, I'm toast right, And even
Speaker 8: while I was being evaluated for like forty five minutes,
Speaker 8: I was like, they're conspiring. I'm out of here. Yeah,
Speaker 8: this is bad. And I she wanted me to go
Speaker 8: to the hospital. I was like, I don't want to
Speaker 8: do that. And it's not because I'm trying to be
Speaker 8: a martyr or something like that. I just I hate
Speaker 8: going to the fucking hospital. I hate it. When I
Speaker 8: was in seventh grade, I had a really bad staff
Speaker 8: and infection in my ankle joint which led to sepsis,
Speaker 8: got some scars, well whatever, I'm not going to show you,
Speaker 8: and yeah, and I had to spend a month in
Speaker 8: a hospital for that, and I was this little kid
Speaker 8: and it just fucking left me.
Speaker 2: I hate hospitals.
Speaker 8: So I didn't want to go. And then she was like,
Speaker 8: all right, well, then you have to sign a thing
Speaker 8: that makes me say that I gave you the advice
Speaker 8: to go, and you're not going on your own, you know, volition.
Speaker 8: So I signed that and then we continued. I think
Speaker 8: I got voted out the next day. And then I
Speaker 8: don't really want to give away too much, but I
Speaker 8: think the story is worth telling quickly. I'm in the house, right,
Speaker 8: the sequestered house. They had a basketball hoop, so I mean,
Speaker 8: I'm sequestered in the house. They had a basketball hoop
Speaker 8: in the backyard. I'm standing there talking to somebody and
Speaker 8: a ball someone's just playing horse or something. Ball bounces
Speaker 8: off the rim hits me in the head and it
Speaker 8: was like someone just unplugged a laptop. I was having
Speaker 8: a conversation and I do not remember what I was saying.
Speaker 8: I stopped talking, and I think I was talking to
Speaker 8: I won't say who I was talking to, but oh no,
Speaker 8: I can say it was Ron because Rone was also
Speaker 8: it's known that he's out of the game. And we
Speaker 8: were talking and he was like, wait, you were saying
Speaker 8: and I was like what, and I had no idea
Speaker 8: what we'd been talking about. And that was when they
Speaker 8: were like all right, and then my face turned green.
Speaker 8: So then they called an actual doctor and he was like,
Speaker 8: I'm taking you to the er. And I go to
Speaker 8: the Chicago Er. We're in the middle of Chicago, and
Speaker 8: in the emergency room in Chicago. I'm not making this up.
Speaker 8: A prison brawl had just taken place nearby. There were
Speaker 8: fifteen to twenty prisoners shackled to their gurneys, screaming at
Speaker 8: each other but needing medical attention. And I'm sitting among them.
Speaker 8: This isn't even in the waiting room. This is in
Speaker 8: that area in the emergency room where there's like sort
Speaker 8: of rooms that have curtains that are pulled, so there's
Speaker 8: like a lot of elderly people slowly dying, but also
Speaker 8: for some reason, a prison outbreak of enraged people. And
Speaker 8: I'm sitting there waiting for my cat scan, and each
Speaker 8: prisoner has a police officer assigned to stand over them,
Speaker 8: and the prisoners are shaken. They're like my own once
Speaker 8: I get out of here, you know, And I'm like,
Speaker 8: you're not. And they're yelling at the cups who are
Speaker 8: just like laughing about it. And it was the most
Speaker 8: upsetting weight for medical treatment I've ever had. It was
Speaker 8: it was so unpleasant, and I luckily I had brought
Speaker 8: my headphone, so I'm just sitting there playing chess on
Speaker 8: my phone and listening to show Path and because I
Speaker 8: was trying to find like peace, and it was because
Speaker 8: it was so violent in this area. And after their
Speaker 8: cat scan machine, they were so delayed because someone had
Speaker 8: kept telling them if you move in a cat scan
Speaker 8: at all, you have to start over, right, And this
Speaker 8: woman apparently was freezing cold and kept asking for more
Speaker 8: blankets and should get like five minutes in and then
Speaker 8: they'd have to restart. That's what they told me. And
Speaker 8: so I was like, it took me an hour just
Speaker 8: sitting among this you know, prison riot to finally get
Speaker 8: to the cat scan. I did no brain bleed, and
Speaker 8: then back at the house, back at the house, which
Speaker 8: was really fun, by the way. So that's the whole story.
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Speaker 4: Enjoyed your time more in the competition or at the house.
Speaker 8: House by a mile?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 8: The house was fun and it's tough. I don't want
Speaker 8: to like say why because I think that will indicate
Speaker 8: who ends up being in the house, But uh, the
Speaker 8: house was really really fun.
Speaker 2: Vibes were high, vibes got really high. Yeah.
Speaker 8: It was just one of those things where like as
Speaker 8: soon as people were kind of out of the game,
Speaker 8: you did the debrief and then everyone was like kind
Speaker 8: of able to relax again and just be like that
Speaker 8: was fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're in it, trapped in those walls. Dude, yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, is the same as the concept of time when
Speaker 4: you're in there truly, Like you could have your phone,
Speaker 4: you can see what's going on in the world, but
Speaker 4: you are solely focused on.
Speaker 2: What's going on, and you're you're paranoid the entire time,
Speaker 2: the entire time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And the thing that's crazy, like watching the show
Speaker 4: now where we're at at this point, before this next
Speaker 4: episode comes out or anything, Like, I am under the
Speaker 4: understanding that our entire team is so locked up, and
Speaker 4: I'm watching these episodes and they're like, we got to
Speaker 4: get out the big three, starting with Taylor, and I'm
Speaker 4: like bouncing around, like, bro, we just keep winning, we
Speaker 4: might make it to the end of this whole thing.
Speaker 8: I mean, I had the I lived under the exact
Speaker 8: same delusion, which was that winning challenges was the key
Speaker 8: to everything, and if you perform well in the challenges,
Speaker 8: you will make yourself valuable. Clearly, you know the social aspect,
Speaker 8: This is not a game that is won by like
Speaker 8: the biggest strongest athlete.
Speaker 4: The thing that bugs me about where the game's at
Speaker 4: now is how completely worthless stave Portnoy is like not like,
Speaker 4: is no help in the strategic mental part of it
Speaker 4: like puzzles can't even figure out a child's like blocks.
Speaker 4: Stacking the blocks and pulling them through like lost them
Speaker 4: the game because when Rea gets the puzzle, she almost
Speaker 4: catches up to our team. And he he really can
Speaker 4: do nothing. He can't throw, he can't let his shoulder
Speaker 4: or his arm over his head. Truly worthless to be there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a worse off asset than Mincy.
Speaker 4: The only yes, I think if you put Mincy and
Speaker 4: Dave in an athletic competition, Mincy wins that competition.
Speaker 8: Well, was the puzzle aspect too, Dave, Dave, that drove
Speaker 8: me so nuts when he was he kept it was this.
Speaker 8: We put him so early in the shape because we
Speaker 8: knew he wouldn't be great at it, so we figured
Speaker 8: give him the easy part because, as you guys know,
Speaker 8: the shape got moregan more competent.
Speaker 2: However, not really, not really, It's just how do I
Speaker 2: recreate that space.
Speaker 4: And then get it close and then get it and.
Speaker 2: Just wiggle it in? Yeah, and he had a nut.
Speaker 4: Hey, that's when we were operating on our finest flotick.
Speaker 8: He did it. He kept doing it backwards. It was
Speaker 8: as if he was reading it in like the Arabic
Speaker 8: alpha that I think they read it right to left anyway,
Speaker 8: and I had to kind of be like no other
Speaker 8: I was yelling like no other way, you know, and
Speaker 8: it would knock over and they'd go and he would
Speaker 8: rearrange it the wrong way again, and I'm like, did somebody.
Speaker 2: I don't know his parents play with him as a child.
Speaker 8: And after that challenge, we lost so specifically because of
Speaker 8: Dave that I started being like, look, there's real reason
Speaker 8: that we should get him out. It's not even mean
Speaker 8: he's a liability. We have more team challenges coming. Everybody right, right,
Speaker 8: And everyone was like, no, you're wrong.
Speaker 2: And now you're fucked.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And I was like, I didn't even I didn't
Speaker 8: even compute for me that mentioning that we should take
Speaker 8: him out would then put a gigantic target on my back.
Speaker 8: I was like, he lost us, that we'd all be
Speaker 8: safe if not for him. And so let's because you.
Speaker 2: Were in the room talking to re about it, and
Speaker 2: then when you brought it up and then it goes
Speaker 2: to your confession and you're like, I think I'm fucked.
Speaker 2: Yea by king from.
Speaker 4: Good awareness, good awareness and know that you're fucked yea,
Speaker 4: it is crazy. It's crazy also watching him back and
Speaker 4: seeing how like one little thing would cause a like
Speaker 4: snowball effect. I went up to Rico and I just like,
Speaker 4: as a joke in my own head for nobody else
Speaker 4: but myself, was like, hey, here in your name and
Speaker 4: then he sees who'd you go in the room with
Speaker 4: the other football player?
Speaker 2: Aaron comes up and taps on the shoulders, I can
Speaker 2: I get you here for a second. First time talking
Speaker 2: Aria in the entire game. So I kind of just
Speaker 2: going through the stairs because like I don't want name
Speaker 2: by see it because I'm trying to keep the lowest.
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to stay low and not say right.
Speaker 2: And Rico sees me and he's like, hey, he runs
Speaker 2: the day. Hey, Will and Rarian like they started to
Speaker 2: talk and he's like, you know, somebody's like, I don't.
Speaker 4: Know, Taylor mentioned my name in the whole thing. Taylor
Speaker 4: and I just randomly said him, and so that caused
Speaker 4: Rico to spiral tell Dave and Arian's out.
Speaker 2: He's like, I think all the athletes are getting together.
Speaker 4: I'm like, no, I think I spoke to Aery like
Speaker 4: at the beginning, like a be sticking for on a
Speaker 4: tavy and that was basically it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Also the amount of politicking that took place before the show,
Speaker 4: Jersey Jerry calling.
Speaker 8: He called you, Yes he did, and he called you.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he.
Speaker 4: Didn't call me?
Speaker 2: He did. I got him, got, I got him got.
Speaker 2: He's in the wrong drive, dude. He before the before
Speaker 2: the first challenge, he looks at me and goes, you
Speaker 2: do well, you're in.
Speaker 4: I'm thinking the dawn. It's the craziest thing in the world. Like, Jay,
Speaker 4: what makes you think you're calling the shots in this group?
Speaker 2: Why? Like because you went far in the last one
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, Like that's a target on your.
Speaker 8: Back, right, I think so too. I think uh, I
Speaker 8: think previous seasons and your performance in them, it can
Speaker 8: only really hurt you, right unless you were just like
Speaker 8: a nothing in the first first one.
Speaker 2: Did you find like, what was the difference is for you?
Speaker 2: Because you also did what the most dangerous game? Yeah,
Speaker 2: the diabolical speech.
Speaker 8: A yes, Yes, that game was my first experience doing
Speaker 8: any of these reality game shows at Barstool, and I
Speaker 8: went in very naive. I didn't know anything about it.
Speaker 8: I kind of was just like I thought I was
Speaker 8: probably running the show every time. That game was interesting.
Speaker 8: I don't know if you guys watched any of it,
Speaker 8: but if you want to challenge, you got to go
Speaker 8: sleep in a comfortable house for the night. Yeah, and
Speaker 8: then the rest of us would sleep in this horrible
Speaker 8: tent and it was thirty four degrees we were in
Speaker 8: the mountains of Colorado, so it was freezing. You didn't
Speaker 8: sleep at all. You were just miserable. You didn't get
Speaker 8: to shower, and but it was all And then the
Speaker 8: person who was in the house got to select one
Speaker 8: other person to bring with them. But it became the
Speaker 8: case that.
Speaker 2: And then those two were immune.
Speaker 8: They were immune for that night. But everybody that was
Speaker 8: down at the campsite would be like, yeah, tomorrow, we're
Speaker 8: voting one of them. Mountain just automatically comfortable because they
Speaker 8: weren't there, and they weren't there to like defend themselves,
Speaker 8: and so you kind of started getting to a point
Speaker 8: where you're like, I don't really want to be in
Speaker 8: the house if I want to go along in the game.
Speaker 8: And each night at the at the campfire, I would
Speaker 8: just very clearly say to the four fives, four three
Speaker 8: people there, I'd be like listen, if everyone wants to
Speaker 8: remain in the game another day, and this group right
Speaker 8: here can ensure that tomorrow, provided that one of these
Speaker 8: people in the house doesn't win the challenge. Do you guys,
Speaker 8: do you see how simple that is? And they were like,
Speaker 8: oh yeah, so that just that just carried for like
Speaker 8: four eliminations until the people wisened up and were like,
Speaker 8: Francis has been playing, well we need to get him out.
Speaker 8: And I didn't see that coming and I was I
Speaker 8: was pretty banged up over it. It really affected me
Speaker 8: and people watching it's so easy to say like, wow,
Speaker 8: I mean, why don't it's a game? How could you
Speaker 8: not get the game? Well, you know, it's not really
Speaker 8: a game. It's a game, I think on actual Survivor
Speaker 8: because they're just random people thrown together, people that.
Speaker 2: Don't know each other. They get scrubbed to where they
Speaker 2: they know that they've had all had z zal communication
Speaker 2: with each other before they're all put together.
Speaker 8: Right. Our game is affected by interpersonal relationships that have
Speaker 8: been determined for years of working together. It's it's affected
Speaker 8: by things like contract status, standing at the company, longevity,
Speaker 8: power structures like all of that is a huge and
Speaker 8: It's what makes I think Surviving Barsol so compelling. It's
Speaker 8: because you know, people be like, why wouldn't you get
Speaker 8: Dave out? And it's like, well, because I don't want
Speaker 8: him to dislike me, since I have two months left
Speaker 8: on my employment here and like healthcare matters, you know,
Speaker 8: especially why the game I like it though I like it.
Speaker 4: You like, you get afraid of somebody not keeping your
Speaker 4: job because you kicked them out of a game.
Speaker 8: Well, I think that it. It makes it, really, it
Speaker 8: makes getting him out that much more explosive if you
Speaker 8: do it. You know, the previous season, Big Cat first
Speaker 8: guy out, Dave out a couple later, Like.
Speaker 4: These are very huge pieces to.
Speaker 8: Fall, and they created ripple effects that lasted for a while,
Speaker 8: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And they both hated Jerry for a minute.
Speaker 4: He did for a while, actually still hated him and
Speaker 4: even wanted to get him out in the game.
Speaker 2: He was mad that Jerry got out. He's like, I
Speaker 2: wanted that blood. But Jerry is still a part of
Speaker 2: the company.
Speaker 8: And that's because, you know, I think Dave has the
Speaker 8: business sense to say, like, well, this is still a
Speaker 8: very good employee who's created great work in spite of
Speaker 8: what he did to me in this bubble, right, but
Speaker 8: other people are not that quick to forgive, and those
Speaker 8: grudges that carry from one season to the next are
Speaker 8: a major I mean, look at look at how they
Speaker 8: did the like Marty mush Riha Hank I had, Like
Speaker 8: that's a major piece. You don't see that on Regular Survivor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's something that I was gathering the pieces throughout.
Speaker 4: But I didn't have no idea. I knew that people
Speaker 4: were pissed at Marty. I knew something or something Hank,
Speaker 4: something happened. There was a team Hank thing for a while,
Speaker 4: and I just saw on the internet. I was like,
Speaker 4: all right, cool, it seems like they're going through something. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and then they get there and find out the things
Speaker 4: right that we're going through and that will inevitably be
Speaker 4: told to everybody. I was blown the fuck away, like
Speaker 4: this shit actually happened, and and she is crazy.
Speaker 2: I'm like, my face.
Speaker 4: You'll see, is like, oh my god, that is fucking crazy.
Speaker 4: And everybody else is probably sitting there like, yeah, this
Speaker 4: is We've known this for four years or how long
Speaker 4: it's been going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but my head's been in to say, like an Ostrich.
Speaker 2: So I have no idea.
Speaker 8: So that is a disadvantage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not knowing.
Speaker 8: That type of stuff. And you I think you and
Speaker 8: I went into the game. I have a better awareness
Speaker 8: of it. But but you know, going into the game,
Speaker 8: you were like, I'm going to dominate this game through
Speaker 8: winning challenges. I'm just gonna exert my That's my guess
Speaker 8: is like you were like, I'm gonna create all audiences
Speaker 8: with people that I know in try us. And you
Speaker 8: banded with you know, Will and the athletes and stuff
Speaker 8: like that, and you guys, that worked. You guys won
Speaker 8: so many challenges in a row. But while that was happening,
Speaker 8: these people who are like survivor enthusiasts and are really
Speaker 8: good at the like cloak and dagger aspect of the game,
Speaker 8: we're just fully like, we're gonna get Taylor, and then
Speaker 8: we're gonna get this person, and then we're gonna get
Speaker 8: this person. And in a way, winning all those challenges
Speaker 8: actually might have hurt you, guys, because it just didn't
Speaker 8: make you create you know, you didn't have to be
Speaker 8: as nimble, you didn't have to reform new alliances based
Speaker 8: on who was getting out the Uh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the whole the winning a bunch. Well, I think
Speaker 4: it's kept me in the game so far because.
Speaker 8: You might need to cut that. Although again, if you
Speaker 8: are out, all of this.
Speaker 2: Is fair game.
Speaker 4: All of it's fair game.
Speaker 8: So we'll just see tonight. I'll also text Rob right
Speaker 8: after we're done and see what episode it is.
Speaker 4: My strategy and going into the game not having a
Speaker 4: bunch of alliances that I knew there were some people
Speaker 4: that I was cool with. I want to get Dave
Speaker 4: and Dan out, That's what I wanted. I wanted their
Speaker 4: blood on my sword. And I thought to myself, Okay,
Speaker 4: Barstools essentially high school.
Speaker 2: There's so many clicks. There's the cool Kid Club, there's that.
Speaker 4: I was like, if I try to like associate myself
Speaker 4: with the Coolkid Club, I'm at the bottom of that
Speaker 4: total poll where I get sniped pretty quickly. So I thought,
Speaker 4: if I can get like the band of misfits of
Speaker 4: Barstool that are in the group that are kind of
Speaker 4: like on the outskirts of like the cool Kid Club,
Speaker 4: and get everybody together, like we could run the entire thing,
Speaker 4: and you know, it works.
Speaker 2: Out the way it does. It works out the way
Speaker 2: it does.
Speaker 8: I think if there's a subsequent season in a year
Speaker 8: or whatever, my guess would be that the Band of
Speaker 8: Misfits will actually have a lag up that people.
Speaker 2: Will say, I stop being afraid, though they wouldn't be
Speaker 2: because to your point, there's a resume that has now
Speaker 2: been built which helps create that target for for everybody else.
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Speaker 4: Back to the episode, are you and Rudy Good?
Speaker 8: Yeah? Totally. And And that was one of those things
Speaker 8: where when I got out of the game, I was
Speaker 8: just so upset and felt so shocked that because Rudy,
Speaker 8: like we truly bonded over these nights of sleeping in
Speaker 8: the cold campfires, just like there was so much bonding.
Speaker 8: I won him a challenge by like hacking the challenge.
Speaker 8: I saw something where I was like, well, if Rudy
Speaker 8: I can actually help him win, and I'm gonna tell
Speaker 8: him right before that I'm gonna have him win and
Speaker 8: I'm gonna contribute to his thing, and then he'll win
Speaker 8: and he'll choose me to sleep in the house with
Speaker 8: him and we'll both be safe, which is exact what
Speaker 8: he did. And so we were like just really vibing
Speaker 8: and having a great time, and then he voted for me,
Speaker 8: and I was astounded, a stounded, that's so boy of
Speaker 8: mine could do that and I get voted out of
Speaker 8: the game. Also, we had to, like we just sleep
Speaker 8: in I'm not kidding you, the worst hotel that I
Speaker 8: have slept in in my life. I mean, there were
Speaker 8: times when my parents weren't doing as well as they
Speaker 8: are now, and as kids, we would we would stay
Speaker 8: in ship places like you know, fucking run down motels
Speaker 8: on road twenty four hour road trips up to our
Speaker 8: lake house in northern Canada, and it.
Speaker 4: Sounds weren't doing that well. Is around a road kip
Speaker 4: store a lake house we were, We.
Speaker 8: Drove twenty two hours.
Speaker 4: What were your struggles like in camp place outside of
Speaker 4: New York City?
Speaker 8: You know, I think I think it's worth like sixty
Speaker 8: grand that that place, Not even kidding you. Yeah, so
Speaker 8: my pointing, I've stayed in shit hotels. This place we
Speaker 8: had to stay after we got voted out of that game.
Speaker 2: Was the worst.
Speaker 8: There were so many hairs on the bed women's long hairs,
Speaker 8: and they looked like they'd been pulled out by force.
Speaker 8: Like these were not shed hairs. These were like, yeah,
Speaker 8: hairs like that you could see the follicle. Yeah, there
Speaker 8: was intent at the base, clumps, clusters, chemo patient hairs.
Speaker 8: So anyway, it was terrible. It smelled bad and uh.
Speaker 8: But then like within twenty four hours you're kind of like, oh, okay,
Speaker 8: I'm back to normal. But I spent that morning writing
Speaker 8: this speech, and then as we were like heading to
Speaker 8: the thing, I was like, yeah, I wrote something, but
Speaker 8: it feels a little over the top now. And Pat
Speaker 8: from out and about was like, you have to do it.
Speaker 8: You have to do it for the show. And I
Speaker 8: was like, ah, I just don't know if I feel
Speaker 8: it that much anymore, and he was like, find it,
Speaker 8: find it within yourself. So I did this speech and
Speaker 8: it was pretty brutal, and then we ended the show.
Speaker 2: And I just went up to Rudy and I was like,
Speaker 2: I just I'm.
Speaker 8: Sorry, like I hope you know we're good, and he
Speaker 8: was like, oh my god. But I think it was
Speaker 8: it was.
Speaker 2: It created a diabolical moment in the barstool Universe.
Speaker 8: Yeah, how'd you get in?
Speaker 2: How'd you get in? The barsel? Didn't you do? Like
Speaker 2: the uh the American Idol style?
Speaker 8: The first season of Barstool Idol. I had been doing
Speaker 8: stand up and tutoring for like six years, and I
Speaker 8: was just doing you know, open mics and then check
Speaker 8: spots and then.
Speaker 2: That Harvard degree. We probably made a good living with it.
Speaker 2: I'm not even kidding you. People are like you imagine
Speaker 2: you imagine graduating from Harvard only to be a comedian
Speaker 2: or only be a you know, personality barstool. It's like
Speaker 2: nothing could have been more valuable to my career trajectory
Speaker 2: because I got out of school, didn't really know what
Speaker 2: I wanted to do. I'd done some stand up my
Speaker 2: senior year, loved it, and I was like, all right,
Speaker 2: fuck it, I'll move to New York and give this
Speaker 2: a shot for two years and if it doesn't work out,
Speaker 2: I'll you know, take myself more seriously or whatever. And
Speaker 2: I quickly got a job tutoring, and you know, I
Speaker 2: was tutoring like this standardized test that like seventh and
Speaker 2: eighth graders would take to apply to boarding schools called
Speaker 2: the s SAT And there's a lot of schools in
Speaker 2: New York that go K to eight and so kids
Speaker 2: have to apply out and there's just this huge, like
Speaker 2: private school community on the Upper East Side where everyone
Speaker 2: takes that test and the parents take it as seriously
Speaker 2: as the SAT for college, so they'll pay anything.
Speaker 8: And I was getting referred from one client to the
Speaker 8: next being like, we have a tutor. He's this Harvard
Speaker 8: Lacrosse bro who, like our kid, is obsessed with and
Speaker 8: is tutoring the test like every other tutor was like
Speaker 8: I'm artsy, fartsy old woman, you know, like who was
Speaker 8: like a poet on the side and trying to support
Speaker 8: their poetry but like poetry. Yeah, And meanwhile, like you know,
Speaker 8: I'd come over and like brow it up. We'd hit
Speaker 8: the pantry after school, eat a bunch of grapes, three sons,
Speaker 8: and then we'd get to the vocap list and it
Speaker 8: was awesome. It was like the best job in the world,
Speaker 8: you know, dunk garus just being a kid again. And
Speaker 8: uh I got to a point where I was charging
Speaker 8: three hundred bucks.
Speaker 2: An hour for that. Oh my good, I had.
Speaker 8: I had a wait list, so my I had a
Speaker 8: weight list so long that I actually had to hire
Speaker 8: friends of mine who were like trying to be actors
Speaker 8: or musicians or comedians or whatever, and teach them how
Speaker 8: to tutor the test and then I would assign them
Speaker 8: to students and I would take a cut of what
Speaker 8: they were making. And then I actually just started my
Speaker 8: own company, a tutoring you just kept doing this. Well,
Speaker 8: that was a kind of a hard call, but it
Speaker 8: was always in my mind, like I'm going to do
Speaker 8: this as a means to and end until I can
Speaker 8: theoretically support myself in comedy, right, But it was a
Speaker 8: great job. I made like one hundred and forty five
Speaker 8: grand a year, and I didn't have to work in
Speaker 8: the summer, like the whole summer didn't work and like
Speaker 8: the teachers dream, Yeah, it was fucking awesome. And and
Speaker 8: you know, just worked like four after school, four to
Speaker 8: like eight o'clock. And then I would hit like, you know,
Speaker 8: three kids in a short radius. I would schedule them,
Speaker 8: if they like lived within a block of each other, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,
Speaker 8: and then I would go to stand up after that
Speaker 8: and do like you know, shitty open mics or then
Speaker 8: I got.
Speaker 2: You get to sleep in because the work day didn't
Speaker 2: start till four.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I tried to, like I tried to keep my
Speaker 8: shit together and take myself seriously. Like it was hard.
Speaker 8: I mean, and you know, in the absence of like, yeah,
Speaker 8: I could have slept till noon, but that would have
Speaker 8: driven me crazy. So I did that. And then I
Speaker 8: finally found I saw a thing for the barsol Idol.
Speaker 8: They were like, we're looking for talent. And this was
Speaker 8: still kind of like in a young phase of the company.
Speaker 8: Now did you know about them before you get Yeah,
Speaker 8: I've been a fan. I loved I loved the writing.
Speaker 8: I liked reading Kevin and Big Kat Dave. I loved
Speaker 8: reading those blogs. And this would have been like end
Speaker 8: of twenty seventeen is when I saw the thing, I think,
Speaker 8: and then maybe it was end of twenty sixteen. And
Speaker 8: then in like January of twenty seventeen, I had sent
Speaker 8: in a stand up tape replying to the email and
Speaker 8: they were like, yep, you can come audition. So because
Speaker 8: apparently there were like two thousand emails that they can't,
Speaker 8: they got and ninety five percent of them were like listen,
Speaker 8: you know, I don't have any experience, but I'm a
Speaker 8: huge barstool fan, I'll do whatever it takes. I'll learn
Speaker 8: what I have to do, and then like a handful
Speaker 8: where like, here's some relatively related work that I've done
Speaker 8: that might lend itself to this job. So because I
Speaker 8: sent a stand up tape, they I don't even know
Speaker 8: if they watched it, but they were like, oh, he's
Speaker 8: an actual comedian.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 8: Then I went in and did stand up, which was
Speaker 8: like probably a mistake because Dave hates stand up, but
Speaker 8: I was very lucky that this guy who went before
Speaker 8: me did also did stand up and bombed so hard
Speaker 8: that just by contrast, I looked a lot better. And
Speaker 8: so then I went up and they were like, yeah,
Speaker 8: you were better, so okay, and then they passed me
Speaker 8: into the like the Hell Week thing where they chose
Speaker 8: I think ten people to come compete like it was
Speaker 8: the Apprentice, and we had to come to the office
Speaker 8: every day Monday to Friday, and at the end of
Speaker 8: do a bunch of challenges type shit job, don't write
Speaker 8: a blog, go sell merch whatever, and make a video.
Speaker 8: And then on the final day Dave would fire someone
Speaker 8: at the end of every day on Facebook Live Facebook
Speaker 8: Live and they'd be like you know, ten thousand people watching,
Speaker 8: which it doesn't sound like a lot now, but at
Speaker 8: that time, big I never said anybody watching me do anything.
Speaker 8: Nobody knew who I was. And so like all of
Speaker 8: a sudden, my friends are tuning in like family members,
Speaker 8: and I'm just inching forward and and and you know,
Speaker 8: as the as the tasks became more like talent oriented
Speaker 8: instead of just like stupid ship, I was able to
Speaker 8: actually show that I could write, and that I could
Speaker 8: make funny videos and this and that, and I uh,
Speaker 8: I ended up winning that whole thing, got like a
Speaker 8: trial contract for six months. Within two months they had
Speaker 8: bumped me up to full time. And then I was
Speaker 8: there for two and a half years, and then I
Speaker 8: got fired, and then I was away for three years,
Speaker 8: and then I got hired back.
Speaker 2: And now who we are?
Speaker 8: It's quite a saga.
Speaker 4: I yeah, I want to ask why I got fired,
Speaker 4: but I feel like that's head.
Speaker 2: There's another piece that.
Speaker 4: I I go to Barstow, I'm like, hey, how's everybody doing?
Speaker 2: And I leave. There's another piece of this that there's
Speaker 2: like a doctor thing in there.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that was do you know about that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've told me about it. You have to tell this.
Speaker 8: I mean, this is talk to me like you're meeting
Speaker 8: me for the first I feel bad because I want
Speaker 8: to shoot the ship with you guys, but these stories
Speaker 8: are a little long.
Speaker 2: This is the show. Yes, so we're highlighting you fair enough.
Speaker 8: But you know, I watched your guys show and I
Speaker 8: love it and I love the way you guys just
Speaker 8: you know, shoot the ship with people. So I feel
Speaker 8: i'll tell you. I'll tell you as quickly as I can.
Speaker 2: Story.
Speaker 8: I'm not telling stories quickly. I'm pretty long with so
Speaker 8: I apologize for that.
Speaker 2: We can talk Fox Sports Drummond a little bit, but
Speaker 2: tell the story perfect.
Speaker 8: Yes. Yes, So on day three of the Barstool Hell
Speaker 8: Week thing, I had had a surgery. I mentioned the
Speaker 8: getting beaten up by the guy.
Speaker 4: The lobster Man, which you kind of really brushed over
Speaker 4: because Will knew what it was and You're like, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's stuck. And then you talked about cocaine in your nose.
Speaker 8: Yes, so I the lung. The short story of that
Speaker 8: is that I was in Portland, Maine, when I was
Speaker 8: a sophomore in college, home for Christmas, when out with
Speaker 8: some buddies, bars clothes. We were pretty banged up, went
Speaker 8: to the pizza place in the old Port, filed into
Speaker 8: a booth. I saw some guys that I used to
Speaker 8: play sports against at a rival school, but who I
Speaker 8: was friendly with. We'd like played travel sports together, and
Speaker 8: I went over to say hi to them and was
Speaker 8: sitting with them for like five minutes. One of them
Speaker 8: saw these two girls come in. They were like screaming
Speaker 8: at each other, almost fighting, and he chirped them, and
Speaker 8: then one of their boyfriends came over and was like,
Speaker 8: that's my girlfriend, and he said something like, you know,
Speaker 8: keep your dogs on a leash or something insane, something insane,
Speaker 8: and then the big guy punched him in the face
Speaker 8: and broke his nose, and his nose exploded all over
Speaker 8: the pizza. I sort of got he was pulling blood
Speaker 8: all over the pie, which we wanted. And then they
Speaker 8: all started getting out of the booth to like fight,
Speaker 8: and I was like, am I part of this? Like
Speaker 8: what the fuck? And then I was like trying to
Speaker 8: set down, but then we got pushed outside and then
Speaker 8: one of the guys from his team just like knew
Speaker 8: what he was doing. He knew he kicked me in
Speaker 8: the face with like Timberland boots on and knocked me
Speaker 8: to the ground, and he got over my back and
Speaker 8: just grabbed my coat collar and he's like he's I'm
Speaker 8: not even kidding, he's he's saddled me, like he's I'm
Speaker 8: facing that way and he's behind me facing the same
Speaker 8: way with my coat collar bringing me to the right
Speaker 8: height like it's t ball and just swinging around my
Speaker 8: face and I'm just on all fours being like.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I can't do anything.
Speaker 8: This is terrible. Probably hit me nine times. I broke
Speaker 8: my orbital bone, I had hairline fractures of my gums,
Speaker 8: my nose was broken, as I said, and obviously a concussion.
Speaker 8: And dude, he finally he like he was it was
Speaker 8: so one sided that he just got off and like
Speaker 8: helped me up and was like are you okay? And
Speaker 8: I was like, if you're okay? Yeah, He asked me
Speaker 8: if I was okay, and I I had had this
Speaker 8: idea for a couple of years that like, at some
Speaker 8: point as a man, you needed to get into a fistfight,
Speaker 8: and that you had to earn your stripes and like
Speaker 8: prove yourself as a man. And I was stoked that
Speaker 8: I had found one had taken my punches and you know,
Speaker 8: lived to like keep moving forward. So I actually dapped
Speaker 8: the guy up. I swear I got it. And by
Speaker 8: the way, i've told this story before. I told it
Speaker 8: on Matt and Shane's and I'm telling it here, and
Speaker 8: if I ever did Rogan, I'd want to tell it
Speaker 8: on there because I have been looking for this guy
Speaker 8: for fucking years and I'm hopeful that at some point
Speaker 8: he'll hear me tell this story. We were at Joe
Speaker 8: was it Bill's Pizza and the old Port. I think
Speaker 8: it's on Commercial or Exchange Street now it's out of business.
Speaker 8: It was December twenty third, two nights before Christmas. There
Speaker 8: was a ton of snow coming down down and I
Speaker 8: feel like he would have to remember this, and if
Speaker 8: you were that guy, we should reconnect, not to fight,
Speaker 8: just to tell the story, because I feel like I
Speaker 8: have the story right, but I'm like it was obviously
Speaker 8: it's a little hazy, but he helped me up. We
Speaker 8: dapted it up. They got into a cab, they left
Speaker 8: because someone had pulled the fire alarm to summon the police.
Speaker 8: And I actually remember it was the guy who owned
Speaker 8: the place, who were like one of the pizza people
Speaker 8: pulled the fire alarm and yelled, the police are on
Speaker 8: their way, and I was like, doesn't that summon the firemen?
Speaker 8: And nobody laughed. Just foreshadowing of the weak comedian I
Speaker 8: would be for years of the long road ahead. And
Speaker 8: so anyway, so then we had to take We took
Speaker 8: that guy who had his nose broken to the hospital,
Speaker 8: and then we went back to my buddy's place. And
Speaker 8: I was hurt, but I was very drunk, so like
Speaker 8: I didn't I just was like spitting out a lot
Speaker 8: of blood, but I didn't think for some reason, I
Speaker 8: didn't think I needed to go to the hospital. I
Speaker 8: went to bed and I woke up and I had
Speaker 8: swallowed so much blood through my own septum that I
Speaker 8: was very nauseous. And I got up at like six am,
Speaker 8: raised to the toilet and threw up all this blood.
Speaker 8: Because your body cannot digest blood. Did you know that? No,
Speaker 8: it's an interesting like scientific trigger for your stomach where
Speaker 8: if it senses that there's blood pooling, it thinks that
Speaker 8: you have internal bleeding or some kind of really bad problem,
Speaker 8: and it will alert you of this by making you nauseous.
Speaker 8: This is what I was told, So I threw up
Speaker 8: all that blood and then I went home, walked in
Speaker 8: the door on Christmas Eve at seven am, greeted by
Speaker 8: R two, you know, Yellow Labs, and then my mom,
Speaker 8: who's making Christmas cookies, and my face looks like beef
Speaker 8: carpaccio and she had to take me to get emergency
Speaker 8: dental surgery on Christmas Eve. And so yeah, so that
Speaker 8: was like and then obviously it's.
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Speaker 2: got fired.
Speaker 8: Years later, I finally have the surgery to get my
Speaker 8: nose corrected from that moment, and that moment happened in
Speaker 8: two thousand and nine, the winter of two thousand and nine,
Speaker 8: and it wasn't until twenty sixteen that I finally was like,
Speaker 8: I need to get this fixed. And I went in
Speaker 8: to get the like the I saw an ear nose
Speaker 8: throat person and he was like, well, we also see
Speaker 8: that you have polyps on your vocal cords because they
Speaker 8: had done a you know, X ray or whatever, because
Speaker 8: I was very hoarse from performing.
Speaker 2: All the time.
Speaker 8: Is this the visit on day three of that No,
Speaker 8: that visit happened weeks weeks before I had I had
Speaker 8: done this. I ended up doing that surgery in like,
Speaker 8: I think early December, and then the audition for barstool
Speaker 8: idol was in January. I'm pretty sure. But even before
Speaker 8: the surgery I went in and had they told me
Speaker 8: they were like, we can fix the polyps. We can
Speaker 8: scrape those off the vocal cords with a throat surgeon
Speaker 8: and then under the same anesthesia do the nose. So
Speaker 8: you can kind of just kill two birds with gunstone
Speaker 8: if you want. And I was like, yeah, absolutely, I
Speaker 8: get the surgery. I recover from that. I go into
Speaker 8: barstool idol all as well. On that Wednesday of Barstol Idol,
Speaker 8: I get a call from the actual doctor, a voicemail,
Speaker 8: not even like his assistant, and he's like, Hi, Francis,
Speaker 8: it's doctor Wu peak Wu at Mount Sinai and he
Speaker 8: was like I need to see you immediately. This is
Speaker 8: really important. Like, uh, please come to the office when
Speaker 8: you can, like.
Speaker 2: Shit, you know the story, Yeah, okay, juicy.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And he's like, you know, he didn't tell me why,
Speaker 8: And I was like, what the fuck? Okay? So I
Speaker 8: called his assistant and she was like, yeah, come. I
Speaker 8: was like, do I need make an appointment? She was
Speaker 8: like just come now. So I'm in the bar office.
Speaker 8: It's day three. I'm down to like one of five
Speaker 8: or six remaining people. So I just sneak out and
Speaker 8: I take the subway up to Mount Sinai, which is
Speaker 8: all the way uptown almost in Harlem. I go in.
Speaker 8: I see them and they were like okay. Unfortunately, when
Speaker 8: you take something out of your bodies, you guys probably know.
Speaker 8: I think they automatically biopsy it just to like test
Speaker 8: whatever it is. And they were like, we thought we
Speaker 8: had removed polyps from your vocal cords, but they are
Speaker 8: showing signs of cancerous malignant season. We think now they
Speaker 8: are cancerous tumors. Oh shit, and we need to start
Speaker 8: doing some testing now to see if it's like fantastasized
Speaker 8: and spread and that is our diagnosis. We're really sorry.
Speaker 8: I was like, holy fuck what? And then I had
Speaker 8: to get in a cab to go back to Barstool,
Speaker 8: at which point I called my parents and told them
Speaker 8: I had just been told I have cancer. Yeah, I'm crying.
Speaker 8: I'm freaked out. The fucking barstool idol was already like
Speaker 8: a huge pressure cooker, crazy thing. And I get to
Speaker 8: the office. I'm very shaken from this news and I
Speaker 8: have to go in. I go up the stairs and
Speaker 8: Kevin Clancy is like, where have you been? You're supposed
Speaker 8: to be doing this test segment on KFC radio right now,
Speaker 8: And I'm like, ah, fuck, okay, So I go in.
Speaker 8: They hustle me in, they sit me down, and they're
Speaker 8: like crazy week, right, Like how's your week?
Speaker 2: Ben?
Speaker 8: And I'm like not great to be honest with you,
Speaker 8: and I'm like, I don't really know what to say,
Speaker 8: like I'm kind of freaking out right now, and I
Speaker 8: swear to God you can watch this. Kevin goes, You're
Speaker 8: not about to tell me you have cancer?
Speaker 2: Are you? Word for word?
Speaker 8: He says that, and I was like, yeah, kinda, and
Speaker 8: he's like what And then I told him what had
Speaker 8: just happened. I didn't have time to like prepare, I
Speaker 8: didn't have time to be like.
Speaker 2: Doctor visit. No.
Speaker 8: Then I told him I think I told him in
Speaker 8: the in the show, I didn't have like I didn't
Speaker 8: know what to do about it. Yeah, was terrifying, and
Speaker 8: you know, I'm twenty six, twenty seven, and then that
Speaker 8: that comes out and becomes part of the show, and uh,
Speaker 8: I ended up winning the show. And I at this
Speaker 8: point like I do what any comedian does, and I
Speaker 8: start making like jokes about it, and like my final
Speaker 8: video on the final day was like this song I
Speaker 8: wrote and performed in the Subway to raise money for
Speaker 8: cancer treatment, which was called like hold Me Closer, I've
Speaker 8: Got cancer. I was doing. I did like a mashup
Speaker 8: of like famous songs with riffing on this Yeah, and
Speaker 8: it was funny, and I ended up winning the show
Speaker 8: and I got the I got the job, and then
Speaker 8: I was I was working there for like whatever two
Speaker 8: or three weeks. And at this time, all this time,
Speaker 8: they had sent the biopsy samples out to California to
Speaker 8: get like further testing done. We had called a radiologist
Speaker 8: in Maine who was like friends with my family to
Speaker 8: get him involved and be like, what the fuck is
Speaker 8: going on here? Start figuring out options things like that.
Speaker 8: And I think it was like two weeks in. I
Speaker 8: get a call on a Friday in the afternoon, you know,
Speaker 8: office is like chilling out, and it's the assistant and
Speaker 8: she goes, Okay, we have great news. We just did
Speaker 8: DNA test. The DNA testing came back from the the
Speaker 8: atop the biopsy that we did, and the samples that
Speaker 8: we had taken out that showed cancer's malignancies turned out
Speaker 8: to be female. And then we found the samples that
Speaker 8: we had swapped in the lab with yours retested yours
Speaker 8: and yours were fine.
Speaker 2: This results wrong. They switched my tests in the lab.
Speaker 2: Could you imagine the woman think of this. She either
Speaker 2: had cancer, got my test results and was like miraculously
Speaker 2: you're cured, or didn't know she had cancer and found
Speaker 2: out like three or four weeks later than she should have.
Speaker 2: Because of this, because people were like, Francis, you should
Speaker 2: sue the hospital. I'm like, I don't want.
Speaker 8: I'm not gonna sue a hospital for telling me I
Speaker 8: don't have cancer. That woman has a case.
Speaker 2: She should probably do something that is fucking nuts.
Speaker 8: So I know, I know, I know immediately because I'm
Speaker 8: a fan of barstool, how this is gonna go. Oh,
Speaker 8: the narrative is going to be this ginger bitch faked
Speaker 8: cancer to get a job at barstool, which I'm not
Speaker 8: kidding you. Nate had written the blog before I was
Speaker 8: off the phone with the medical assistant Ginger Francis faked
Speaker 8: cancer to get a job at barstool, and that because
Speaker 8: comes the narrative, And I then had to write a
Speaker 8: counter blog where I like, show I had them fax
Speaker 8: me the biopsy results that show the like medical language
Speaker 8: and all the stuff proving like cancer smignacies, all this
Speaker 8: being like telling my side of the story. Nobody cares.
Speaker 8: Nobody cares. It's far funnier to think that I would
Speaker 8: have faked cancer like a fucking psycho to get a
Speaker 8: job at barstool. Dave has me on Barcel Radio. We
Speaker 8: only had one Barcel Radio show back then on Sirius XM.
Speaker 8: And Big Cat comes in and it's like all the
Speaker 8: heavy hitters and they are just skewering me for faking cancer,
Speaker 8: like to get a job at barstool, and I'm so terrified.
Speaker 8: I'm like two weeks into the job. I don't have
Speaker 8: any confidence. I'm just like walking on eggshells. I don't
Speaker 8: have I don't have any understanding of like the exposure
Speaker 8: in the reach of barstool, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 8: I am the main storyline of the week. God damn
Speaker 8: and freaking out. The more I try to be like no,
Speaker 8: I didn't fake cancer, I'd see everyone's like, yeah, that's
Speaker 8: what a psycho would say. The number one like for
Speaker 8: like this.
Speaker 2: Is the worst company ever to fake cancer away for
Speaker 2: the year, for like two years after that.
Speaker 8: If you would google my name, put Francis Ellis into
Speaker 8: the search bar at Google, the next words that would
Speaker 8: populate were Francis Ellis fakes cancer, wasn't like Francis Elis,
Speaker 8: barseol sports, Francis Elis Harvard Lacrosse graduate, which it had been,
Speaker 8: and then I would ask all my friends to regoogle
Speaker 8: that to try to bump fake cancer.
Speaker 2: Down off the list.
Speaker 8: But it turns out a lot more people are interested
Speaker 8: in reading about freaking cancer than my go Crimson stats
Speaker 8: to put Crimson six ground balls against Cantius in two
Speaker 8: thousand and seven. So anyway, uh so that was just
Speaker 8: like the narrative. And then like two weeks later I
Speaker 8: ended up asking out of Sports Illustrated swimsuit model after
Speaker 8: we at a segment and that got out and got
Speaker 8: to Dave and he fucking made a mess of that,
Speaker 8: made a whole scene of that, which now it's like, okay,
Speaker 8: faked cancer. He's asking out girls that are ten ten
Speaker 8: leagues out of his league. This guy really is a psycho.
Speaker 8: And then then it just became that I was an
Speaker 8: actual psychopath. And that was when it took me like
Speaker 8: a year to be stop fighting that and then actually
Speaker 8: be like, yes, I'm a.
Speaker 4: Psycho, yeah, having psychotic tendencies.
Speaker 8: It was more like I did I something clicked where
Speaker 8: taking the reins of the narrative myself, you know, be
Speaker 8: rabbiting it a little bit all of a sudden launched,
Speaker 8: launched my tone I found like a tone at barstool,
Speaker 8: which was what led me to start writing longer blogs
Speaker 8: that were more personal, because up to that point everyone
Speaker 8: was just kind of like, here's a story from the internet.
Speaker 8: Here's my two paragraph take on it. That's blogging at barstool.
Speaker 8: And then I was It was a year in and
Speaker 8: I over Christmas break, we had, you know, a week
Speaker 8: and a half off, and I stayed in the city
Speaker 8: to do stand up and randomly, three days in a row,
Speaker 8: I ran into Dave. One day we were sitting next
Speaker 8: to each other at a barber shop getting our haircut,
Speaker 8: just randomly. The next day was at a sports bar.
Speaker 8: We were like adjacent tables, and then the next day
Speaker 8: like at a bar at night. So I wrote a
Speaker 8: blog titled I spent my Christmas Break becoming best friends
Speaker 8: with Dave Portnoy, and our exchanges in those moments were
Speaker 8: no more than ten words, Hey Dave, how are you good?
Speaker 8: Good to see you. Happy Holidays.
Speaker 2: That was it.
Speaker 8: And then I wrote two thousand words extrapolating this into
Speaker 8: a friendship completely imagined from my side, but indicating how
Speaker 8: little we'd actually corresponding. But what I thought Dave's words
Speaker 8: meant even though he said so few and this was
Speaker 8: a light bulb moment for me at barstool, and I
Speaker 8: started following that just writing like personal blogs, kind of
Speaker 8: where I would imaginatively and very neurotically extend small exchanges
Speaker 8: or like interactions with co workers into a long piece.
Speaker 8: And that is kind of what I do to this day.
Speaker 2: Beautiful, did you have a shout at the swimsuit model?
Speaker 2: Did she ever respond to anything?
Speaker 8: Here's what happened you hear? Okay, there were three of
Speaker 8: them that came in to promote the launch of the
Speaker 8: new sports illustrated magazine that was coming out. They were
Speaker 8: Daniel Harrington, who got the cover of the next year.
Speaker 2: Fuck.
Speaker 8: I can't remember the other two, but they're they were
Speaker 8: awesome and I'm sorry I can't remember them. But anyway,
Speaker 8: I did a show with them. I sat down. I
Speaker 8: was doing some dumb show called the Saturday sit Down
Speaker 8: where I just played this like awkward, bumbling character like
Speaker 8: Chris Farley. Bit yes, yes, and yes. I had the
Speaker 8: three of them on and they're like the most stunning
Speaker 8: women alive. And there I am just fumbling around and
Speaker 8: being embarrassed.
Speaker 2: And whatever.
Speaker 8: But during that I remember like Daniel Harrington was sitting
Speaker 8: on the couch with me and she like was laughing
Speaker 8: more than the other two. And at one point, like
Speaker 8: she laughed and like touched my knee and I was like.
Speaker 2: It's over rocked up quick, ah, the mother of my children.
Speaker 2: We finally meet.
Speaker 8: Yeah, the search is over ye and we uh So
Speaker 8: afterwards I went up to one of her friends who
Speaker 8: was stuck sticking around, and I was like, Hey, is
Speaker 8: is Dan Do you know happen to know if Daniel's
Speaker 8: like single? And she was like, I don't know why
Speaker 8: I want me to ask for you? And I was like,
Speaker 8: I don't know. I thought she was really cute, like
Speaker 8: uh you know, and she's like here, take she goes
Speaker 8: take my number and I'll find out for you. And
Speaker 8: I was like okay, and we exchange numbers. But I
Speaker 8: think she was in that girl was in a relationship.
Speaker 8: So then the next day they fly to Houston to
Speaker 8: do the like pre super Bowl party for maxim maybe
Speaker 8: and Dave goes with them. He's on the plane with them.
Speaker 8: They all go down, they go to this party. At
Speaker 8: the party, one of the girls goes up to Dave
Speaker 8: and is like, keep in mind, this is like four
Speaker 8: weeks into me working at barstool.
Speaker 2: Still there. Oh, it's it is psychopath. Yeah.
Speaker 8: So Dave. One of them goes up to Dave at
Speaker 8: the party and is like, do you know your employee
Speaker 8: Francis And he's like barely why, And she was like, well,
Speaker 8: I think he's got a crush on my friend Danielle
Speaker 8: or something. He he asked me to find out if
Speaker 8: she was single or something like that, and Dave is like,
Speaker 8: get the fuck out of here, and and uh and
Speaker 8: then she and then she's like they're laughing about it,
Speaker 8: and she ends up dming me and going the you
Speaker 8: know the girl who's number right or maybe she texts
Speaker 8: me and she goes, hey, I asked Danielle. She says
Speaker 8: she's interested. Shoot her a DM and like tell her
Speaker 8: all about yourself. And I'm like but but I like,
Speaker 8: luckily I smelled I smelled a rat. And I was like, uh,
Speaker 8: they're trolling me. And I was like no, I don't.
Speaker 8: I don't think that's a good idea. And she's like
Speaker 8: trust me, girls love that, and I'm like ah. Meanwhile,
Speaker 8: Dave is like over their shoulder trying to like lay
Speaker 8: this trap. Then he calls Frankie Brelly, who at the
Speaker 8: time was his cameraman for the All the Pizza reviews,
Speaker 8: and it is down there with him and he's like, Frankie,
Speaker 8: come over here, we have to do this. And Dave
Speaker 8: goes on his camera and he's like.
Speaker 2: Get this world.
Speaker 8: Ginger Francis, who's only been here for a cup of coffee,
Speaker 8: faked cancer to get a job at Barstool, is now
Speaker 8: asking out Sports illustrated swimsuit models, the hottest women in
Speaker 8: the world, who are so out of his leg Who
Speaker 8: does he think he is, Like this fucking psychopath. He's
Speaker 8: telling that to the girls and like, uh. And then
Speaker 8: he posts that on Twitter, this is this is.
Speaker 1: I remember.
Speaker 8: It was like a Saturday night or something and I'm
Speaker 8: down in Philly hanging out with some very dear friends.
Speaker 8: We're out to dinner and all of a sudden, my
Speaker 8: phone is exploding for the fifth time in a month.
Speaker 8: Things going everywhere.
Speaker 2: Uh. And then and then the.
Speaker 8: Editor in chief at the time, or I think I
Speaker 8: think he was k Marco. He's like, dude, you need
Speaker 8: to get to a laptop and blog blog this immediately.
Speaker 8: So I had to leave the dinner. I had my bag,
Speaker 8: my backpack with my laptop in it, and I had
Speaker 8: to leave the dinner to go to like a fucking
Speaker 8: Starbucks at like nine pm. Well gone write this blog
Speaker 8: being like, Okay, yeah, I thought we hit it off.
Speaker 8: Maybe she touched my knee, but like you know, you
Speaker 8: never know. You don't ask, you don't dance, like you know,
Speaker 8: I'd rather I'd rather have the rejection than spend a
Speaker 8: lifetime wondering, you know, what could have been and like
Speaker 8: shoot or shoot blah blah blah. And like the fucking
Speaker 8: audience kind of rallied around that a little bit. They
Speaker 8: were like, yeah, yeah, why is Dave Cock blocking friends?
Speaker 1: Which is the.
Speaker 8: Worst thing that could have happened, because when you when
Speaker 8: you turn the tide against Dave a little bit, then
Speaker 8: he really starts to bring out the tools and then
Speaker 8: he started like deconstructing the whole thing. He revealed that
Speaker 8: I had also DMed this other girl, who.
Speaker 2: Was like, how do you know you DM this other girl?
Speaker 8: Because I think I think that I don't know the
Speaker 8: answer to that.
Speaker 2: When the Internet starts to take it out, respond maybe
Speaker 2: they that no, no, but I'm not gonna say I
Speaker 2: think they were hooking up and I didn't know it.
Speaker 4: Wait, girl and the girl and so you DM the girl.
Speaker 2: Without knowing that she laying in bed with Dave going
Speaker 2: to look at this.
Speaker 8: Yes, Oh, I think that's what happened.
Speaker 4: People think New York is such a big place. It's
Speaker 4: really not.
Speaker 8: Well, it was my mistake. Had appeared on barstool stuff,
Speaker 8: but as a guest. And by the way, that is.
Speaker 2: So funny your face.
Speaker 8: My DM, I think was, Hey, I have a show
Speaker 8: at Barstool called the Saturday sit Down?
Speaker 2: Do you want to do it?
Speaker 8: I don't know that it is like, I don't I
Speaker 8: don't know if I have simple was like eight years ago.
Speaker 8: I could try to find it, but I probably deleted
Speaker 8: it for my own sanity. You do any of you
Speaker 8: know all this? Do you remember any of this?
Speaker 2: Jared has never sat in on a bus An episode,
Speaker 2: but he could not wait because you are his favorite.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that, Jared. That's very kind.
Speaker 4: We'll get Jared on the MICA a little bit.
Speaker 2: He said, you, guys, does you see Jared in the back? Yes? Yes,
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 4: Yes, so so, so, how do you find out that
Speaker 4: Dave knows about this?
Speaker 8: Damn do you He called me on the on the
Speaker 8: radio show and he's like, you guys are getting behind
Speaker 8: Francis and saying shoot or shoot. But he has a
Speaker 8: tendency to do this with girls. He DMS people that
Speaker 8: are like loosely affiliated with barstool and it's really unprofessional.
Speaker 8: Here are here he is asking out this girl or.
Speaker 2: Do you know?
Speaker 8: Do you know I didn't know. I didn't know that
Speaker 8: he didn't know that.
Speaker 2: Dave knew that before you went on the radio show.
Speaker 2: He brings you on. You sit there waiting on the phone,
Speaker 2: and by the way, and you can hear him saying this,
Speaker 2: not on the phone.
Speaker 8: He's there. This is when we all worked together. And
Speaker 8: not only that, Big Cat's in there, and Big Cat
Speaker 8: is waiting for his turn to fucking knock me a
Speaker 8: new one because he was mad at me for he
Speaker 8: Big Cat is incredible at networking, you know, and I
Speaker 8: think that's like his biggest quiet strength. And he will
Speaker 8: work a long game to get amazing guests on Pardon
Speaker 8: my Take, And he's so good at like finessing it
Speaker 8: over a long period of time. Because this was this
Speaker 8: was I was the thirty ninth employee at barstool. And
Speaker 8: this was at a time when yeah, pardon my take
Speaker 8: was getting big, but they couldn't just like put I
Speaker 8: don't know if they were at a point ye where
Speaker 8: they could just put in a call to like JJ
Speaker 8: Watt and be like, come do the show. You know,
Speaker 8: at that time, it was like JJ Watt is six
Speaker 8: months off from us being able. We're starting to kind
Speaker 8: of get the ball roll.
Speaker 4: They're they're putting seeds out there, their tweeting at him whatever.
Speaker 8: So they had just had Ryan Lochtey on Pardon my Take,
Speaker 8: and he was a big deal at the time. He
Speaker 8: had just had he just come off the Olympics. He'd
Speaker 8: had this crazy like scandal come out about him, Yes
Speaker 8: swimmer about him like saying he got robbed at a
Speaker 8: gas station and do you guys remember that? But it
Speaker 8: turned out that that hadn't been what happened. But anyway,
Speaker 8: so he was like a big personality. And Ryan Lockey
Speaker 8: came into the office did pardon my take? And I
Speaker 8: had asked, big cat, is there any chance I can
Speaker 8: shoot something that I have a funny sketch. I had
Speaker 8: started doing this thing called this is Barstool that were
Speaker 8: like that this is Sports Center commercials, and I had
Speaker 8: a funny idea to shoot with Ryan Lockedy and Big
Speaker 8: Cat was like, look, I don't want to step on
Speaker 8: your toes, but like this is a very kind of
Speaker 8: delicate guess that we worked really hard to get and
Speaker 8: all he has time for is this there it is,
Speaker 8: and and like, I'd appreciate it if you didn't do that.
Speaker 8: And I was at a point where I was like
Speaker 8: I need to do everything I possibly can, and I
Speaker 8: just was like really hungry to make content and I
Speaker 8: kind of just didn't listen to Big Cat. So I
Speaker 8: then grabbed Ryan Lockety as he came out of the elevator.
Speaker 8: He didn't I think. I told his producer or whatever,
Speaker 8: like I have this idea and she was like okay, sure,
Speaker 8: And I had printed out my own headshot and I said, hey, Ryan,
Speaker 8: can you sign this? And he was like sure, but
Speaker 8: this is a picture of you and I was like yeah,
Speaker 8: I know, and then he was and he signs it
Speaker 8: and then he hands it back to me and I'm like, no,
Speaker 8: that's for you, and he goes but I just signed it,
Speaker 8: and I go, yeah, now everyone knows it's yours. And
Speaker 8: then he's like completely confused and walks out. And that
Speaker 8: was the whole thing. He didn't know what we were
Speaker 8: going to do. Oh yeah, there was the original DM
Speaker 8: that I sent to the swimsuit model. It was great
Speaker 8: working with you yesterday. I know you're off to Houston,
Speaker 8: but when do you get back? Want to go boxing?
Speaker 8: Because she had said she goes to she does like
Speaker 8: boxing as like a workout, yes, not like hey want
Speaker 8: to fight each other. I have a history of concussions.
Speaker 2: So go easy.
Speaker 8: So she responded, no, she didn't because that was all then.
Speaker 8: Then it was all going through her friend.
Speaker 2: She might be on the joke or maybe dide.
Speaker 8: She got the she got the she got the cover
Speaker 8: the next year, Daniel Harrington, she got the cover.
Speaker 2: That that's her. Yeah, that's who you asked out. Shooter
Speaker 2: Shoot Brother, Shooter Shoot. I made T shirts in the
Speaker 2: merch store called shooter Shoot. Really yeah, how they do?
Speaker 2: I think? Okay?
Speaker 8: Not great? But we hadn't hunted in the Sports Illustrated
Speaker 8: font So that was the subtle hat tip to it.
Speaker 2: So big Cat found out.
Speaker 8: Big Cat found out about that, so and and and
Speaker 8: to his credit, like he he was not thrilled and
Speaker 8: totally understandably so and so he was in the radio room.
Speaker 8: Once Dave was done berating me for like, I can't
Speaker 8: ask out girls that are like coming into barstool to
Speaker 8: shoot stuff because it's really unprofessional, which is true. Then Dave, Yeah,
Speaker 8: there it is. Uh then Dave uh or excuse me,
Speaker 8: big cat. Then I think weighed in maybe about the
Speaker 8: Ryan lochtey thing or was also just like piling on.
Speaker 8: You know, I'm sitting next to Glennie Balls and it's
Speaker 8: like what is he doing in here?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 8: And They're all just like taking their pound of flesh
Speaker 8: and I'm fucking terrified, and you know, and but there,
Speaker 8: but this was like an important learning moment for me,
Speaker 8: and it was a total trial, trial by fire, you
Speaker 8: could call it like a hazing ritual of barstool. And
Speaker 8: once I got through this, I leveled out, Like I
Speaker 8: started to settle into the job. And as I said,
Speaker 8: like eight or nine months later, I found that long
Speaker 8: form tone thing that you know, started to see my
Speaker 8: job met me actually do better at the work until
Speaker 8: until I got fired.
Speaker 4: So so you're working there for two weeks, for four
Speaker 4: weeks in that time, you say you have cancer. You
Speaker 4: come back and say, oh no, the DNA test got switched.
Speaker 4: I don't have cancer. Some poor woman has cancer. Then
Speaker 4: a swimsuit model comes in and you ask her out,
Speaker 4: which is wildly inappropriate for any corporation, and you keep
Speaker 4: your job. There you go, and so I'm excited to
Speaker 4: hear how you got fired.
Speaker 8: It's a great point because I did go. I did
Speaker 8: go into Dave's office at one point to this is
Speaker 8: to apologize for all of this. And his first response
Speaker 8: was like, hey, it gave me great content, Like that
Speaker 8: was his for the first words he said, and that
Speaker 8: it would take me a long time to realize that,
Speaker 8: like Dave is willing to court conflict and controversy if
Speaker 8: it's entertaining. If it's not, and it's it starts causing
Speaker 8: advertisers to pull back and costing the company money or
Speaker 8: paints the company in a bad light, that's a problem.
Speaker 8: So okay, uh that was that was That was the
Speaker 8: first whole run. And then I'm there for whatever two
Speaker 8: and a half years. I'm starting to get a little
Speaker 8: too big for my bretches. Probably, you know, I was
Speaker 8: writing well, and I had a lot of things that
Speaker 8: were going well. I got at tapped to host the
Speaker 8: breakfast show on series with Willie Cologne. We did that
Speaker 8: for like a year, year and a half. That was
Speaker 8: going well and it was interesting. I'm writing, well, i
Speaker 8: have a good video series, i have a sketch show
Speaker 8: called The Barcel Variety Hour. I'm touring for stand up
Speaker 8: like whatever. My star is theoretically rising. And I only
Speaker 8: say that because Dave at one point it was like, yeah,
Speaker 8: Francis is a fucking star. You know, they gave their
Speaker 8: giving me raises like it's just going well, right and yeah,
Speaker 8: and the commentary is starting to be, like you read
Speaker 8: a few of the comments and people are being like,
Speaker 8: how long is it until Francis leaves barstool for something better?
Speaker 8: And uh or like you know, he's gonna go to
Speaker 8: SNL or some shit, and you start to you start
Speaker 8: to drink your own kool aid and fucking feel.
Speaker 2: Yourself a little bit again.
Speaker 8: I'm young, I'm like twenty eight, twenty nine, and I'm
Speaker 8: thinking like, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna use this as
Speaker 8: a stepping stone to my you know, stardom. And Dave
Speaker 8: knows when you start to feel that way because you're
Speaker 8: not committing as much, You're not like wearing the shield,
Speaker 8: you're not showing up on time to like, you know,
Speaker 8: some of the sponsored stuff. Whatever it is, it's it's clear.
Speaker 8: And this came to a head when we had a
Speaker 8: we had a sponsored thing at a dunkin Donuts called
Speaker 8: the Duncan Awards. We had done it the year before
Speaker 8: it was all the way out in Queen's and the
Speaker 8: year before it was like our Oscars ceremony where they
Speaker 8: painted out blog of the Year, Video of the Year,
Speaker 8: Song of the Awards, and everyone got dressed up. We
Speaker 8: were all wearing like suits and stuff. The second year
Speaker 8: they were like, we're doing it again, but there wasn't
Speaker 8: as much fanfare, and they sent out like one email
Speaker 8: being like the Duncan Awards are at this place at
Speaker 8: this time. There's gonna be a bus that takes us
Speaker 8: out there, and then the last line was like dressed
Speaker 8: to impress, and a handful of us just kind of
Speaker 8: disregarded it or didn't really know, I don't know, didn't
Speaker 8: take it seriously enough that we needed to dress up.
Speaker 8: We'd drive out there on the bus, I'd take edibles
Speaker 8: with a few people and I'm wearing a black T shirt.
Speaker 8: A bunch of people are wearing like T shirts and jeans.
Speaker 8: We walk in and Dave is on a fucking rampage,
Speaker 8: just crushing everybody who's not dressed up. I'm I'm not
Speaker 8: dressed up, And meanwhile the edibles are kicking in. I'm like,
Speaker 8: and I'm getting torn apart by Dave for being high
Speaker 8: and wearing a T shirt and all of this, and
Speaker 8: I just this is like me falling out of favor,
Speaker 8: Like this is me kind of a come to Jesus moment,
Speaker 8: Like look at how fucking stupid I look banged up
Speaker 8: in the and he just tortures me, like, you know,
Speaker 8: torches me the whole time. That was on like Monday.
Speaker 8: The next day, Real Sports with Bryant Gumbele I think
Speaker 8: on HBO releases an expose that they'd been you know,
Speaker 8: researching for weeks on barstool. It's kind of a hip piece.
Speaker 8: Things aren't good at this time. Lots of whenever a
Speaker 8: hit piece would come out, it was implicitly understood that
Speaker 8: we needed to like, yo, lower our heads, shut up,
Speaker 8: don't raise any flags, or like, don't rock the boat.
Speaker 8: Let's let this pass and we'll get back to our work.
Speaker 8: That was on Tuesday. Friday is the Friday before the
Speaker 8: fourth of July, we have a week off, I write
Speaker 8: a blog. At this time we had I had the
Speaker 8: ability to just publish my own blogs and there was
Speaker 8: no one to oversee it. And I saw a story
Speaker 8: that morning about girl in Utah who had gone missing.
Speaker 8: It was in the New York Post, it was in
Speaker 8: you know, fucking us Weekly whatever. It was kind of
Speaker 8: tabloidy salacious. She was a big fan of Call Her Daddy,
Speaker 8: which was our exploding podcast at the time. This yep,
Speaker 8: she was an outspoken sugar Daddy dating website advocate and
Speaker 8: was like on seeking arrangements and like being like, you
Speaker 8: should you know, have a guy pay for your life whatever. So,
Speaker 8: and she was a sorority sister and she'd gone missing.
Speaker 8: She'd been missing for two weeks. Her sorority sisters had
Speaker 8: alerted the FBI that she was missing, but they saw
Speaker 8: that her Instagram account had been liking photos. So it
Speaker 8: was like it was kind of a perfect storm of
Speaker 8: details that I thought the barstool audience will want to
Speaker 8: read about this, And it almost was so down the
Speaker 8: lane that I was like, why has nobody written this yet,
Speaker 8: which should have been a red flag? Why is nobody
Speaker 8: up because we we had like thirteen bloggers at that time,
Speaker 8: and we were all just like constantly fighting for the
Speaker 8: to be the first to an internet story. Yep, I
Speaker 8: write the blog. It's not funny, it's just it was
Speaker 8: just like a throw way blog. And I'm kind of like, yeah,
Speaker 8: you know this girl, here's the story. Like, let's hope
Speaker 8: she's okay, but you know, she's a big fan of
Speaker 8: Sugar Daddy website, so like, hopefully she's on a yacht
Speaker 8: somewhere with some older guy like and that she comes
Speaker 8: back in a week or so and wearing call her
Speaker 8: Daddy Merchant promotes the whatever, it's a bunch of bullshit.
Speaker 8: Two hours after I write the blog, she has found
Speaker 8: brutally murdered. This story starts turning into Barstool Sports writer
Speaker 8: Francis Ellis has written like the most tone deaf, heartless,
Speaker 8: cruel blog about a murdered girl. I get hit up.
Speaker 8: I get like four email emails in my inbox in
Speaker 8: a row from like The Daily Beast, dead Spin, all
Speaker 8: the all the usual suspects of the companies that would
Speaker 8: attack Barstool for any reason. At that time, they're like,
Speaker 8: we're writing a story about the fact that you wrote
Speaker 8: about this girl.
Speaker 2: We have three questions, One why would you have written it?
Speaker 8: Two? Did anyone else see the block before it went up?
Speaker 2: Like three?
Speaker 8: Like what do you have to say for yourself? I
Speaker 8: I'm like, oh fuck. I get a text from Dave
Speaker 8: all Caps, What the fuck is your problem? You fucking idiot?
Speaker 8: Like why would you have done this? Then he texts
Speaker 8: Our editors.
Speaker 4: Huh we've had We've had those texts.
Speaker 8: Then it's like, uh, you know, just a daily text
Speaker 8: to Mincy. I got, yeah, I get I get put
Speaker 8: in like a uh. He texts the our editor in
Speaker 8: chief and he's like, from now on, Francis says, no
Speaker 8: editorial approval, anything he writes needs to be run by you.
Speaker 8: This guy that guy with at the time was this
Speaker 8: guy Keith, and he like tweets out that I have
Speaker 8: been silenced or something like that my editorial approven So
Speaker 8: even at that point it felt like, oh, people were
Speaker 8: kind of making a joke of this, And then I
Speaker 8: like responded with like just a gift of me, like
Speaker 8: putting myself in a cone of shame or something. But
Speaker 8: then as the day progressed, I was on my I
Speaker 8: was leaving that afternoon to go meet my girlfriend's parents
Speaker 8: for the first time. Oh shit, and that woman became
Speaker 8: my wife who is now my ex wife. And I
Speaker 8: was on a train down to her family's house in
Speaker 8: Pennsylvania when I got a call from Dave and I
Speaker 8: picked it up and he was like, I hate to
Speaker 8: do this, but I don't feel like we have a choice.
Speaker 8: We're firing you. And I was like, okay, I get it.
Speaker 2: Do you explain, Yeah, this is the gift that broke.
Speaker 8: No, it was that. It was that. Yeah, and then
Speaker 8: they cut together a stool scenes to make it look
Speaker 8: like I didn't give a fuck, and it was just
Speaker 8: like goofing around. This was like a completely This was
Speaker 8: before long before I wrote the blog, probably before the
Speaker 8: Duncan Awards, you know, no shit, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Just the way that week unfolded.
Speaker 8: Good time, like different me. So anyway, oh yeah, and
Speaker 8: this guy was like really mad at me for this guy.
Speaker 8: He's one of Pat McAfee's guys that we hired, and
Speaker 8: he was mad that I had like they produced a
Speaker 8: stand up special for me and put it behind a
Speaker 8: paywall and not many people watched it, and then they
Speaker 8: were Dave was mad at me at the Dunkin Awards
Speaker 8: that they had spent money on the special and nobody
Speaker 8: watched it, and I wrote a blog apologizing for that,
Speaker 8: and then that guy got mad at me for apologizing.
Speaker 2: What no dude anyway, like is this empire?
Speaker 8: Uh No? I think he actually addressed it on Twitter
Speaker 8: in a little bit more of like a sincere way
Speaker 8: where he was like he kind of seemed more conflicted
Speaker 8: about it, where he was like, you know, I had
Speaker 8: to do it. The fact that he wrote that blog
Speaker 8: was Banana's buddy's a talented kid. I think he'll be fine,
Speaker 8: like whatever. And then Dave wrote me a text later
Speaker 8: that day after firing me and was like, for what
Speaker 8: it's worth, I wish it hadn't gone down the way
Speaker 8: it did. I actually think you might be able to
Speaker 8: like use this to a year advantage. You're in a
Speaker 8: good spot like, which meant a lot because when that happened,
Speaker 8: then the Washington Post wrote an article about it. I
Speaker 8: think People Magazine, the Daily Mail, it was everywhere, and
Speaker 8: I was just being painted as this, like, you know,
Speaker 8: the Daily Beast headline was barsol sports writer Francis Elle's
Speaker 8: slut shames a murdered girl, which is just so out
Speaker 8: of bounds. Like I didn't say anything negative about that fact.
Speaker 8: Just the fact that I mentioned she was on seeking
Speaker 8: arrangements was why they took that angle. Plus if you
Speaker 8: read the blog, you know you read it and you're like,
Speaker 8: he didn't know she was dead, Obviously there it is.
Speaker 8: And so I thought at this time that my career
Speaker 8: was over toast and I was really scared. I didn't
Speaker 8: eat for like three days, and I was just hold
Speaker 8: up at my girlfriend's parents' house, like trying to figure
Speaker 8: out what to do, what to do next.
Speaker 2: How was that first impression you get up to there,
Speaker 2: to their credit, like they're just the coolest people and
Speaker 2: we're really.
Speaker 8: Like, oh, you know, that's tough, but you'll be okay.
Speaker 8: Like they were really cool and embracing and supportive. And
Speaker 8: I got all these texts from people of the company
Speaker 8: being like, I'm really sorry that that had this happened,
Speaker 8: Like I love you know, you're a good guy, Like
Speaker 8: hold your head up. A lot of people reaching out.
Speaker 8: It wasn't like I left in a body bag from barstool,
Speaker 8: as a lot of people do, but not with maybe
Speaker 8: like this same this guy's dead to us, right, it
Speaker 8: was like after a couple of days, people were like,
Speaker 8: he made a mistake, you know, he just read it wrong.
Speaker 8: It was a dumb mistake. But I wasn't trying to
Speaker 8: like hurt anybody. And this was also like the height
Speaker 8: of cancel culture. This was twenty nineteen, so me Too movement,
Speaker 8: right before Black Lives Matter. Just like Shane gets fired
Speaker 8: off SNL a couple months I think after this happens,
Speaker 8: and then he and I became friends through that. Oh
Speaker 8: for real that the two of us had been were
Speaker 8: stand up comics who like loosely knew each other and
Speaker 8: had both just been destroyed in the public eye, very
Speaker 8: close to each other, and that was kind of where
Speaker 8: we bonded because when he got canceled off SNL, I
Speaker 8: went on Twitter and defended him and he and there
Speaker 8: were a lot of people at that time who were
Speaker 8: like afraid to do that kind of stuff, like if
Speaker 8: we throw our a lot in behind somebody that's been canceled,
Speaker 8: that's gonna come back on us. I didn't really have
Speaker 8: anything to lose.
Speaker 4: Like everyone who got canceled at that time, all their
Speaker 4: friends kind of dipped on them. Everyone kind of just
Speaker 4: like let them die. On the island that we got
Speaker 4: to preserve and protect what we have going on.
Speaker 8: I get it. It was a witch hunt in that moment,
Speaker 8: and the people who are looking to, you know, correct
Speaker 8: the world had all the power. There had not been
Speaker 8: the fatigue around cancel culture that has now developed, so
Speaker 8: you know, that was what happened to me. I got
Speaker 8: fired and then I like kind of just took a
Speaker 8: few days said okay, you know what, like I'm gonna
Speaker 8: keep trying here started uh oh. I also got some
Speaker 8: like I had a few job offers pretty quickly from
Speaker 8: like a couple blogging sites. Pro Bible reached out. They
Speaker 8: had been around early, like with Barstool, and then they
Speaker 8: kind of like I think they got sold and then
Speaker 8: they faded away. But then they were starting to come
Speaker 8: back a little and I was like, I don't really
Speaker 8: know what my next move is. So I just took
Speaker 8: some time and then I was like, okay, I need
Speaker 8: to I need to not lose whatever people are still
Speaker 8: with me, and I need to give them a place
Speaker 8: to follow me, you know, if they want to. So
Speaker 8: I started a podcast with a comedian friend of mine
Speaker 8: that was originally based around moments of failure and fuck
Speaker 8: ups and then like the redemption stories behind them. Julio Gallraadi.
Speaker 2: Julio Gallaradi, He's.
Speaker 8: Been on a lot of barstool stuff. He's a great comic.
Speaker 8: We called it Oops, and it was just about like
Speaker 8: fucking upwards and like finding ways to come back after
Speaker 8: you've just made it, yeah, after you've made mistakes. And
Speaker 8: this kind of just started to gather like a nice
Speaker 8: cult following. We were able to like, you know, generate revenue,
Speaker 8: and I was doing that and redoubling my efforts touring
Speaker 8: as a stand up and like just sort of piecing
Speaker 8: it together income and like making a making a way
Speaker 8: of it. And I did that for three years. I
Speaker 8: was out in the wild, just like hunting for whatever
Speaker 8: I could eat.
Speaker 2: And how are you guys acquiring revenue? Is that you
Speaker 2: guys both just going out and selling on your own?
Speaker 8: Yeah, just really like grassroots reaching out to brands. And
Speaker 8: then we got a an ad agency that got behind
Speaker 8: us and took a split and that was good, but
Speaker 8: we were Yeah, we did okay. And then pandemic hits
Speaker 8: and then I started making some videos in my car
Speaker 8: where I was like documenting alternate side parking. This crazy
Speaker 8: phenomenon in New York and that started going on parking.
Speaker 8: Street sweeping in New York happens on two days of
Speaker 8: the week, but in the pandemic they limited it to
Speaker 8: one day a week. And there's this crazy thing where
Speaker 8: parking spots were so coveted in New York on the
Speaker 8: street because so expensive that people would sit in their
Speaker 8: cars for the one and a half hour window that
Speaker 8: people were that the street sweeper might come by so
Speaker 8: that they wouldn't get a ticket, And then when the
Speaker 8: cleaner came by, everyone would pull out into the street.
Speaker 8: The street sweeper would clean the curb like that area
Speaker 8: where we were all parked, and then we would refile
Speaker 8: back in. But people would come up from the back,
Speaker 8: swoop in and steal the spots, which would bump everyone
Speaker 8: down the line and knock the person in the front off,
Speaker 8: and then that person would get out of their car,
Speaker 8: go back and try to fight the person in the shit.
Speaker 8: And I would be on the street documenting this crazy
Speaker 8: shit and like laughing when people would get tickets because
Speaker 8: they weren't in their car. I became friends with the
Speaker 8: guy who drove the street sweeper. He gave me a
Speaker 8: personally monogrammed Department of Sanitation, New York shirt. He came
Speaker 8: up with a name. He was Pete the Sweep, and
Speaker 8: like I had all these repeat characters and it just
Speaker 8: was this crazy little world. And then I made the
Speaker 8: traffic video where I stopped traffic on the shoulder, which
Speaker 8: went megaviral. Then Son of a Boy Dad, Roan and
Speaker 8: Sass had me on the pod and they were like,
Speaker 8: enough time, we're just gonna.
Speaker 2: See schedule the past you came, They're like, hey.
Speaker 8: We want you to do They didn't clear it.
Speaker 2: Really.
Speaker 8: It was three years that I was away from the company,
Speaker 8: and I think it was just thought, this dude is
Speaker 8: still too toxic. We're not gonna but like people would
Speaker 8: comment on this stuff and see these videos, and I
Speaker 8: think Dave was like vaguely aware I should have one
Speaker 8: more thing. Probably six months before this, I was pitching
Speaker 8: a show to a producer in Hollywood, loosely based on
Speaker 8: my time working at a upstart digital media company, and
Speaker 8: he was like, yeah, we can make Let's make that.
Speaker 8: And he brought it to Happy Madison, Adam Sandler's production company,
Speaker 8: and they were like, yeah, we love this, but you
Speaker 8: need to get Dave and Erica on board. So then
Speaker 8: I had the unenviable task of reaching out to Dave,
Speaker 8: to whom I had not spoken in two years and
Speaker 8: whose last messages to me were the day he fired me,
Speaker 8: and be like, hey, Dave, I've pitched a show based
Speaker 8: on your company to and now Happy Madison wants to
Speaker 8: make it any interest And he was like and he
Speaker 8: called me and he was like what. And they were
Speaker 8: pretty suspicious at first, but then they liked it, and
Speaker 8: then they came on as like silent producing partners. We
Speaker 8: sold it to Village Road Show and we were like
Speaker 8: adding writers and like developing this show. So maybe that
Speaker 8: also played a part in why Dave was like, oh,
Speaker 8: he's potentially somebody who we want back. And son of
Speaker 8: a boy daed Roan, who remained my friend throughout. He's like, dude,
Speaker 8: come do the pod. We're not going to ask for
Speaker 8: anyone's permission, just come do it. They like snuck me
Speaker 8: in on a Friday. It was super weird being back
Speaker 8: in the office. I was like, am I even allowed
Speaker 8: to hear get around? This would have been probably twenty
Speaker 8: twenty one, probably twenty two, probably twenty two, and I
Speaker 8: come on, I do the pod. Tell a lot of these.
Speaker 8: We'll tell the story of the firing again. Dave sees it.
Speaker 8: At that time he's doing The Dave Portnoy Show with Eddie.
Speaker 8: The next day they do an episode where no not
Speaker 8: the next day, Eddie or somebody at Austin, Dave's producer says, Hey,
Speaker 8: do you want to come on the Dave Portnoy Show.
Speaker 8: And I'm like, holy shit, but okay, and I come
Speaker 8: on the show. You know, I'm talking to Dave, who
Speaker 8: I think was in Miami. But we're through the thing
Speaker 8: and just like kind of going over everything, and three
Speaker 8: years have passed and he's like, how long has it been,
Speaker 8: Like I've been Yeah, I've been away for three years.
Speaker 8: And he's like, wow, I mean, would you ever have
Speaker 8: an interest in coming back to work here? And I'm like, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 8: And then the show ends and te you text me
Speaker 8: and he's like, all right, you know, what do you want?
Speaker 8: And I told him what I was making and he
Speaker 8: gave me that number, and then I came back to
Speaker 8: work at Barstool No shit.
Speaker 2: The return of Francis Ellis. That's that's my How quickly
Speaker 2: were you back in the building.
Speaker 8: I think that I think that I did the Dave
Speaker 8: Portnoy Show in August. He was like, let's start you
Speaker 8: September first, and I was getting married the last weekend
Speaker 8: of August and then going on my honeymoon and he
Speaker 8: was like, oh. I told him that. He was like, okay,
Speaker 8: come in. So I started September fifteenth, No shit, two
Speaker 8: year contract.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: What was like, like, what were the biggest differences you
Speaker 4: saw being removed three years?
Speaker 2: Well, because the.
Speaker 4: Mood Chicago hasn't happened, hasn't It hadn't happened yet, but
Speaker 4: it was talking about that.
Speaker 2: I think so.
Speaker 8: Yeah. So mainly Dave not being in the office was
Speaker 8: the big difference, better or worse? I think good and bad.
Speaker 8: I think that when he was there it galvanized a
Speaker 8: lot of people coming to work. You were like, I
Speaker 8: need to fucking do shit, But you also felt like
Speaker 8: I might end up on the radio answering for DMS
Speaker 8: to a swimsuit model.
Speaker 4: So make sure you do shit and not too much.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And at this point when I came back, I
Speaker 8: would say it was just like way more relaxed, but
Speaker 8: the pace had slowed. And this was also when they
Speaker 8: were really gearing the company to be purchased by a
Speaker 8: gambling company, so the gambling content had become king and
Speaker 8: it just kind of was like, I don't know, it
Speaker 8: felt more corporate to me in a way because by
Speaker 8: and large my tenure at Barstool the previous time had
Speaker 8: been in that smaller office, which was just a pressure cooker.
Speaker 2: You know, we were.
Speaker 8: All at this point and now exactly right, so now no,
Speaker 8: Now there were like four hundred and there were all
Speaker 8: these people upstairs who were doing like gambling liaison and
Speaker 8: and production and marketing and all this, and it was
Speaker 8: just like a real it felt like a tech company
Speaker 8: at that point. And yeah, just people weren't like people
Speaker 8: weren't looking for a way to like make a make
Speaker 8: content by like fucking ringing someone else's neck. And that
Speaker 8: was definitely like, oh you can, you can, we can relax.
Speaker 8: It's not as mean anymore. But that had been an
Speaker 8: interesting element that a lot of people utilized, and I
Speaker 8: didn't see that come back until I would say, uh,
Speaker 8: Ohio's Tate started doing his thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, people talk about all this is the old barstool,
Speaker 2: this is the style.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what was it deal with him and Kelly? Why
Speaker 4: did they get into it.
Speaker 2: I think Tate brought up something with her OnlyFans. No, well, no,
Speaker 2: please tell the story that.
Speaker 8: I Kelly and I no key, that might have been
Speaker 8: a small part of it. But Kelly and I had
Speaker 8: been given the Barcel Radio, which Kevin had been doing
Speaker 8: but didn't want to do anymore because it was cannibalized
Speaker 8: his listenership of KFC Radio. They handed it off to us. Uh,
Speaker 8: we were just kind of doing it. And then and
Speaker 8: then Ohio's Tate writes, Kelly said something offhand as a
Speaker 8: joke on the show about how like people were talking
Speaker 8: about like why doesn't why don't they come in on Fridays?
Speaker 8: And Kelly made some joke about like I don't want
Speaker 8: to do my makeup on Fridays. But it was a
Speaker 8: total joke, and I like working from home on Fridays,
Speaker 8: she said. And Tate seized on that and like was like, oh,
Speaker 8: Kelly doesn't want to work on Fridays because she doesn't
Speaker 8: want to have to put makeup on.
Speaker 2: And this is the part where he's just contracted out
Speaker 2: to write blogs. Yeah, yeah, he was still a teacher
Speaker 2: at like right school high school basketball coach is a lunatic. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I like him.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I like Kelly too, but yeah and wild
Speaker 8: Man and so and both of them are are I
Speaker 8: would say, are good at at at being able to
Speaker 8: like just go for each other's jugular. Kelly's, you know,
Speaker 8: she's pretty Deflnnie like she'll she'll take it, but she
Speaker 8: can also really give it. So anyway, uh, they they
Speaker 8: get into it because of this, and then everyone's expecting
Speaker 8: Kelly and me to talk about the fact that he
Speaker 8: attacked her on the show, but I turned I told her,
Speaker 8: I was like, I don't. I don't really want to
Speaker 8: get into this. I don't think this dude matters. He
Speaker 8: was a teacher. He was blogging like one blog about
Speaker 8: the Browns a week. I didn't know. I didn't even
Speaker 8: know he was a real person, do you know, kind
Speaker 8: of I'm exaggerating, right, But he was like, he wasn't
Speaker 8: full time. He blogged under a pseudonym, and I don't
Speaker 8: I didn't know where this blog about Kelly had come from.
Speaker 8: I didn't know why out of nowhere he was like
Speaker 8: writing an attack blog. So I was like, let's just
Speaker 8: let this go, and we did. And then they were
Speaker 8: mad at us for not doing making it a thing
Speaker 8: and then then it turned into a whole thing, and
Speaker 8: then Dave fired me and Kelly from the show, and
Speaker 8: that was what spawned the Unnamed show because they were like,
Speaker 8: we need real attack dogs.
Speaker 2: Because Nate was trying to.
Speaker 8: Couldn't be better And then yeah, exactly, and so that
Speaker 8: was like a I guess a tough week because people
Speaker 8: were just making fun of us, but I didn't at
Speaker 8: that point, I like, I just didn't care. Yeah, fired,
Speaker 8: I've had I'm in a unique position at Barstool. Well
Speaker 8: it's me and Minci where a lot of people at
Speaker 8: the company fear losing the job because it's a great
Speaker 8: job and it's one of one. There is no other company,
Speaker 8: not one where we can do what we do, where
Speaker 8: we can write about a haircut we got, or and
Speaker 8: have this gigantic pre baked audience that Dave and Big
Speaker 8: Kat and Kevin built and you know who have these
Speaker 8: like stars like you guys who are willing to have
Speaker 8: us on and and and just you know, it's incredible
Speaker 8: and with literally no job expectation. The job is make
Speaker 8: stuff and if it works, we'll keep you. If it doesn't,
Speaker 8: you're gone. But there's no, it's no, it's it's it's
Speaker 8: the most vague, vacuum oriented job I've ever had in
Speaker 8: my life. There's no I don't have a daily checklist
Speaker 8: of things to do. I don't have you know, hours,
Speaker 8: I don't have a fucking outfit that I have to
Speaker 8: wear to work. I don't know. I don't even have
Speaker 8: a desk. It's a it's it's as nebulous as it
Speaker 8: could possibly be, and there's so much freedom, which can
Speaker 8: make it hard. It can make it for some people.
Speaker 8: It can make it like I don't know what to do.
Speaker 8: I wish someone was overseeing this a little bit more
Speaker 8: and like pushing me. But for me, it's like, you know,
Speaker 8: I don't know, really know when inspiration is going to strike.
Speaker 8: And you know, I got asked as a Bubble person
Speaker 8: to fill in for Stu Finer on surviving Barstool ended up,
Speaker 8: you know, creating huge controversy there, and then was able
Speaker 8: to write blogs about it for a week which were
Speaker 8: just like so easy to me, for me to write,
Speaker 8: and I had so much fun writing those and writing
Speaker 8: about you guys, and like, people I know can fucking
Speaker 8: take it and they are gonna like.
Speaker 4: The blog you did on us was incredible I tell.
Speaker 2: Them as last night, I was like, I don't think
Speaker 2: I've ever heard the analogy of like having a snowman.
Speaker 2: Thing with my eyes being so.
Speaker 8: Small, I said, a snowman made entirely of buttons. Yeah,
Speaker 8: because most snowmen will have coal and this kid had
Speaker 8: run out.
Speaker 2: This kid had to run out just use buttons to
Speaker 2: make Yeah, dude, I was reading that. Yeah. I was like,
Speaker 2: oh god, because what was funny is you posted that
Speaker 2: blog and we were just on the phone for probably
Speaker 2: a good I had you on the phone for forty minutes,
Speaker 2: just talking straight, just talking surviving strat Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, just to the point where it is.
Speaker 2: Like I got to bounce all right, all right, Will.
Speaker 8: Will thought I had access to a fucking time machine
Speaker 8: to go back and do it.
Speaker 4: All over the right you kids, will at the right time. Yeah,
Speaker 4: stuck a strategy.
Speaker 2: It's so much. I'm consumed by this show.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's awesome. And I guess my point being people
Speaker 8: who know that this is a great job and feel
Speaker 8: very fortunate as we are, don't there their biggest fear
Speaker 8: is losing the job. Right Understandably, that happened to me.
Speaker 8: I lost the job. I got fired, I got humiliated
Speaker 8: on of my own.
Speaker 2: Doing on a national scale.
Speaker 8: I never would have thought the Washington Post would deem
Speaker 8: my mistake worth publishing in their fucking newspaper, you know.
Speaker 8: And so I I had. I had the worst thing
Speaker 8: happen with the retina, not the worst, but like the
Speaker 8: catastrophe happened right, and it took me three years, but
Speaker 8: I came back from it. So now a lot of
Speaker 8: the fears that I used to have, a lot of
Speaker 8: the things that used to piss me off, the little comments,
Speaker 8: the feedback, the reddit.
Speaker 2: It just it doesn't make as much noise. It doesn't
Speaker 2: move the needle for me. Makes it kind of nice, right,
Speaker 2: It's that is nice.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it is nice, and I and I feel safer.
Speaker 8: I mean, Dave, you know, joked on the unnamed show
Speaker 8: about you know, to close the loop on the new
Speaker 8: contract hanging over my head as I entered surviving barstool.
Speaker 8: Dave joked about on the unnamed show because they were
Speaker 8: giving him shit for it. How I got the email
Speaker 8: right after I got eliminated the show gave Dave the
Speaker 8: idol and I had a new contract in my inbox
Speaker 8: which I've been waiting for, and he revealed that. Some
Speaker 8: months ago, I had texted Dave and said, hey, can
Speaker 8: I call you. I have something important to talk to
Speaker 8: you about. And I called him and I said, look,
Speaker 8: here's the deal. I'm getting divorced. I have to move
Speaker 8: out of my apartment. I don't know if I should
Speaker 8: stay in New York City. At this point, I had
Speaker 8: like two months left on my contract. I was like,
Speaker 8: I don't know if I should stay in New York.
Speaker 8: I don't know if I should move to Chicago. I
Speaker 8: don't know if you want to keep me on here.
Speaker 8: And I know that this is way ahead, but I
Speaker 8: just need your help. I need some clarity in my
Speaker 8: life because I need to know where to sign a lease.
Speaker 8: And I'm kind of like, I just my life is
Speaker 8: in free fall right now. And in that moment, he
Speaker 8: was like, I'm really sorry to hear it, but you're
Speaker 8: in great standing. We have full intention to renew you.
Speaker 8: You're doing good stuff. And that meant the fucking world
Speaker 8: to me, just as it did when he fired me
Speaker 8: and sent that text to like, just give me a
Speaker 8: little nudge of like, And this is why, like a
Speaker 8: lot of the time, I know Dave is a very
Speaker 8: controversial figure to a lot of people, but off the camera,
Speaker 8: off Mike, people will ask me like, what's he really like?
Speaker 8: What do you think of him? And my answer is
Speaker 8: so resolute. He he means a lot to me and
Speaker 8: he's done a lot for me. And I get like
Speaker 8: a little emotional thinking about it. But in my worst
Speaker 8: moments of all people, Dave has lifted me.
Speaker 4: So he's got any unique way of being supportive home?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's got up. You know, he's got a heart.
Speaker 2: So uh you bubbling up? Almost got a little tear
Speaker 2: in my Yeah. Yeah. Oh well, now have you been doing?
Speaker 2: You're obviously a very funny cat. You're a comedian like
Speaker 2: you laugh a lot, you do all the things, You're
Speaker 2: traveling everywhere. But to go off that you mentioned getting divorced,
Speaker 2: being in your lowest moments, and I also saw you
Speaker 2: on New Year's post on your story. I don't know
Speaker 2: if you were trying to be funny as well, but
Speaker 2: I knew that there were some serious behind it where
Speaker 2: you're like sitting on the stairs and you're holding you're drinking,
Speaker 2: You're like everybody's out there. I don't feel like I
Speaker 2: have any type of conversation to offer. Yeah, how have
Speaker 2: you been doing.
Speaker 8: Look, you know, I don't think it's any secret that
Speaker 8: for however I present on paper, I would say my
Speaker 8: brain is both my like my great tool and my
Speaker 8: most malfunctioning piece of equipment. I'm emotional, I'm sensitive. I'm
Speaker 8: prone to real bouts of depression, and I've been pretty
Speaker 8: open about this. And obviously, you know, going through divorce sucked.
Speaker 8: My ex wife is remains my favorite person in the world.
Speaker 8: We are great friends to this day, which is a
Speaker 8: weird and unique parallel I think between me and Dave
Speaker 8: because he says the same about his x Y. But
Speaker 8: it still made it very hard. You know, I lost
Speaker 8: my infrastructure, I lost my world. I had to move out,
Speaker 8: and I was just kind of like totally lost. And
Speaker 8: the past year, the last half of this year was
Speaker 8: just a nightmare.
Speaker 2: It sucked.
Speaker 8: And it wasn't until I like really took some serious
Speaker 8: steps to writing the Ship that I finally felt like
Speaker 8: some hope again and whatever. And that post that I
Speaker 8: posted on New Year's I was texting with Sass and
Speaker 8: I was like, Dude, New Year's Eve is the worst
Speaker 8: fucking holiday ever. I don't remember a time that I
Speaker 8: didn't feel shitty on New Year's Eve and he was like,
Speaker 8: he responded the same, and I took a picture. I
Speaker 8: was sitting in a stairwell to get away from the party,
Speaker 8: just sipping a tequila soda, and I was like, I'm
Speaker 8: literally sitting in a stairwell by myself to avoid all
Speaker 8: these people who are like happily reflecting. And my entire
Speaker 8: Instagram timeline was filled with carousels of people being like,
Speaker 8: what a great year twenty twenty four was. Here's what
Speaker 8: I did. I traveled to Venice, I got engaged, we
Speaker 8: got pregnant. I did this. I had leaps forward in
Speaker 8: my life and I was like, I bet you there's
Speaker 8: a lot of people out there that do not look
Speaker 8: fondly on the last year of their life. And I
Speaker 8: wrote this caption. I started just writing it and it
Speaker 8: was like a little bit sad and kind of self pitying,
Speaker 8: and initially I was just trying to make it funny,
Speaker 8: and then I ended it with this sort of optimistic
Speaker 8: look forward of like, here's to all the people for
Speaker 8: whom twenty twenty four sucked, but who continue to believe
Speaker 8: that somehow next year may be our year. And I
Speaker 8: wasn't going to post it because I was drunk, and
Speaker 8: I was like, don't post drunk on Year's Eve. Don't
Speaker 8: like writing something that is like whiny and petulant and
Speaker 8: you know, sad. But the thought that people might relate
Speaker 8: and feel like, you know, there's another person out there
Speaker 8: whose content I consume, whose life has sucked to and
Speaker 8: who hates this holiday, is not feeling great right now,
Speaker 8: but is looking forward. Maybe that'll resonate. And I posted it.
Speaker 8: It is the most viewed Instagram story I've ever had.
Speaker 8: I've two hundred and sixty thousand followers. One hundred and
Speaker 8: forty thousand people saw that story. I got thousands of
Speaker 8: dms from people being like, dude, this was the worst
Speaker 8: year of my life. Wife of twenty years hit me
Speaker 8: with divorce papers out of nowhere, took the two kids,
Speaker 8: like I didn't see it coming, lost my job, like
Speaker 8: got relapsed on a drug. Whatever it's been hell. This
Speaker 8: means a lot to me. I'm there for you, You're
Speaker 8: there for me, And like those are messages.
Speaker 2: You don't think about.
Speaker 8: You just think you're a fuck. I think I'm a
Speaker 8: clown in the wind, you know, writing my dumb blogs
Speaker 8: doing I don't think my job is important. I don't
Speaker 8: think I'm doing a lot. I'm not some motivational speaker,
Speaker 8: some leader of men. But to get DMS like that,
Speaker 8: you know you're it, doesn't It makes me think that
Speaker 8: being honest online can be helpful.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: It's a different level of vulnerability though, when you have
Speaker 4: the following you do and you decide to be that
Speaker 4: kind of vulnerable, because then there's always the fear of
Speaker 4: like what if it isn't received the way you wish
Speaker 4: it was received?
Speaker 2: Totally?
Speaker 8: And yeah, I I by the way I approach it
Speaker 8: with humility. I don't. I don't think I'm on a
Speaker 8: pedestal rehabilitating the frayed nerves of some lost army of
Speaker 8: poor souls. I I know that I'm just like all
Speaker 8: these people. I'm flawed and broken, but you know, fuck it, man,
Speaker 8: life can be tough, but like, don't don't give up.
Speaker 8: Yeah that's it is that simple, Just keep trying.
Speaker 2: I think that authentic, authentic city is awesome because also
Speaker 2: in the in the interesting too, it's like the season
Speaker 2: of Tires comes out like you're doing well in comedy,
Speaker 2: Like you would assume looking at Francis on the outside,
Speaker 2: that everything is.
Speaker 4: More than even the way you talk about divorce, it's
Speaker 4: like you almost talk about it. At least when I
Speaker 4: saw you it surviving, you'd be like, yeah, divorced, but
Speaker 4: you just kind of let it roll off to where
Speaker 4: I walk away from the conversation. I'm my damn Like
Speaker 4: I would not be feeling that way if I was
Speaker 4: being divorced right now. But it seems like Francis is
Speaker 4: really just taking everything had joke about it just to
Speaker 4: get it left.
Speaker 8: It's a coping mechanism. I think a lot of of
Speaker 8: us do that, especially comedians, want to assign humor to
Speaker 8: tragedy as a way of not, you know, showing themselves.
Speaker 8: But I'm very lucky in that my ex wife is
Speaker 8: a great person and we were able to navigate it
Speaker 8: without fangs and claws and and somehow remain great friends throughout. So,
Speaker 8: you know, all credit to her, and I am now
Speaker 8: to a point where I can speak more positively about
Speaker 8: the experience. And but you know, for a while, I
Speaker 8: was just like, Yeah.
Speaker 4: It's interesting when you kind of just going through life
Speaker 4: and seeing a bunch of people and you think, all
Speaker 4: this person's doing great, this person's not doing great, and
Speaker 4: you can kind of like feel it in that moment
Speaker 4: and you kind of realize that, like everyone truly is
Speaker 4: going through something like my twenty twenty four I had
Speaker 4: a lot of shit that I could I think it's
Speaker 4: like how you feel it, how what lends you decide
Speaker 4: to look through it is because there's a lot of
Speaker 4: good things that happen in twenty four for me, But
Speaker 4: at the same time, there's like five or six things
Speaker 4: I could probably look at and be like, god, damn,
Speaker 4: I could easily frame twenty twenty four is a bad year,
Speaker 4: and it's like all like a how you view it
Speaker 4: type of thing, And I mean there's some things you
Speaker 4: can't come back from. There's some things like the damn
Speaker 4: as you're getting that are like, holy shit, twenty years married,
Speaker 4: someone just slaps your divorce papers, relapsing on a drug,
Speaker 4: those types of things or are massive nothing like I had.
Speaker 4: But it's just sometimes you have to like try and
Speaker 4: do your best look at something in a positive light,
Speaker 4: regardless of how bleak it might seem.
Speaker 2: Totally totally uh and what choice do we have, right?
Speaker 8: Do you know what I mean? Like we are creators.
Speaker 8: We have you guys have two podcast episodes a week.
Speaker 8: That need to be on time.
Speaker 2: I have.
Speaker 8: I you know, as as much as I know Dave
Speaker 8: would give me the leash to take a couple of
Speaker 8: weeks to fucking lick my wounds, I don't. I don't
Speaker 8: want to disappear from the conversation. I know that this
Speaker 8: fucking river keeps flowing with or without you. So in
Speaker 8: the face of you know, real shit, you gotta bear
Speaker 8: up and make stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the sun's gonna rise. Yeah, no matter what,
Speaker 2: it was gonna move.
Speaker 8: So you know, I just hit my marks and tried
Speaker 8: to keep doing the job. And I would say more
Speaker 8: than anything, almost the job was what like gave me
Speaker 8: purpose and continuity and ructure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just a break from you know, the hell
Speaker 2: you're in outside of those walls.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you sharing that with us.
Speaker 8: Yeah. Absolutely. Uh. I don't really have any reason anymore
Speaker 8: to hide much. I don't know why I've kind of
Speaker 8: reached this like terminal velocity of transparency, and uh, I'm
Speaker 8: not I don't know why I did that. I mean,
Speaker 8: I know that there are some things that I should
Speaker 8: probably keep private, but honestly, when you when you get
Speaker 8: the messages, I almost feel like I owe it to
Speaker 8: people to, like, you know, like a while people.
Speaker 2: Are watching, people are following along pretty closely and resonate
Speaker 2: with the words you're saying. Yeah, and they don't just
Speaker 2: see you as you know, the clown show that you
Speaker 2: have fantasize in your head, like people expect me just
Speaker 2: to be funny all the time.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, And I think it also just lends depth,
Speaker 8: depth to sort of the character that I've developed, and
Speaker 8: as funny as it is to pay me as a
Speaker 8: sociopath and a psychopath, like reminding people that I have
Speaker 8: empathy and be sad as if people actually thought I
Speaker 8: was a real legitimate sociopath. It's kind of funny.
Speaker 4: If it's put out there, people believe it. People still
Speaker 4: think I did Jeffrey Starr to this moment. In this moment,
Speaker 4: I mean, we had a night in.
Speaker 8: A couple entanglements, but dude, living in that gray area
Speaker 8: is the sweets kind of fun. I gotta tell you
Speaker 8: one thing I've learned and keep sucking Dave's dick is
Speaker 8: something he taught me. He's like the greatest compliment I've
Speaker 8: ever been given is when someone was like, I don't
Speaker 8: know where Dave Portnoy, the person ends and El Presidente starts.
Speaker 8: He's blended his character with who he is so seamlessly
Speaker 8: that you kind of just take it all as one.
Speaker 8: And that gives you so much license and like playground
Speaker 8: to work with because nothing's off limits and people will
Speaker 8: laugh when they're nervous, when they're unsure if you're kidding
Speaker 8: or not. And I love I love that. Like my
Speaker 8: favorite content I've ever made is stuff that like draws
Speaker 8: a line and causes people to like argue both sides
Speaker 8: and neither side really knows if I'm kidding. That's the
Speaker 8: traffic video. Yeah, it's me stopping traffic and being like,
Speaker 8: I'm a hero. You can't cut and half the world
Speaker 8: is like, thank you, you are a hero. Finally someone
Speaker 8: stood up. I've always been too scared to do that.
Speaker 8: And then the other half are like, fuck you, I'll
Speaker 8: kill you if you ever do this in Detroit, and
Speaker 8: like how dare you?
Speaker 2: You? You know?
Speaker 8: Hall monitor God, and you just step back, you step back,
Speaker 8: and you them to me like decipher what they've seen
Speaker 8: through their own lens. It's like looking at a very
Speaker 8: confusing painting, yeah, and being.
Speaker 2: Like this is what I see and your close close
Speaker 2: fans are laughing because they understand the masters well they do,
Speaker 2: and they don't like it doesn't really matter, they can
Speaker 2: as long as it just like moves something.
Speaker 8: Yeah, makes them feel the need to like weigh in. Yeah,
Speaker 8: you've you've provoked something, You've stirred something. That's my favorite, dude.
Speaker 4: One of my favorite things about Dave is his ability
Speaker 4: when shit is like hitting the fan, like the sex
Speaker 4: tape thing during twenty twenty, the whole like Me to
Speaker 4: cancel culture thing like Dave is the perfect person to
Speaker 4: cancel and anything that came up at any point, it
Speaker 4: would be like he instead of like having a like
Speaker 4: statement put out like every other celebrity did, he would
Speaker 4: just get in from of a camera and be like,
Speaker 4: this happened. This is what actually happened. I can show
Speaker 4: receipts for this and basically just fight against the resistance
Speaker 4: of whatever people were trying to bring them down for. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and that I think that stirred up a lot of things.
Speaker 4: You see Shannon Sharp the way he had with his
Speaker 4: little Instagram live, he ends up going to talk about
Speaker 4: it right away as opposed to getting behind lawyers or
Speaker 4: whatever might have possibly happen, and Dave's a big reason
Speaker 4: why people are now just getting in front of things
Speaker 4: when they know they've done nothing wrong.
Speaker 8: I agree. I think he's earned that. That's a that's
Speaker 8: a tough thing to build, where it's like, we expect
Speaker 8: you to address everything head on. You know, he said
Speaker 8: on the Unnamed show, who was he talking about? I
Speaker 8: think he was talking about Grace leaving and someone was like, no, Nda,
Speaker 8: you can talk about this, and he goes, I'm not
Speaker 8: an NDA guy. Everything's on the table for Davey, you know.
Speaker 8: And I think that has infused in me, as I say,
Speaker 8: I have not I'm complete transparency. That's just like being
Speaker 8: groomed in the school of barstool. But like it would
Speaker 8: be so antithetical to who we know Dave to be
Speaker 8: if something came out about him or another person and
Speaker 8: he was like, I can't talk about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: even know what antithetical means, but I think I picked
Speaker 2: it up through the sentence he was saying.
Speaker 8: Smooth, who know him to be?
Speaker 4: Yeah, antithetical is a great word, thank you, phenomenal. The
Speaker 4: whole vocabulary is awesome. But yeah, David is just enough
Speaker 4: of an asshole, but he's like he stands on everything
Speaker 4: he says. He doesn't do anything behind closed doors. So
Speaker 4: with the no NDA thing, it's like, y'all, go ahead,
Speaker 4: antithetical that that popped up for you appreciate that with him, Like, yeah,
Speaker 4: the no NDA thing, it's like, yeah, Dave has nothing
Speaker 4: to hide behind because he's the same person everywhere. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so there's no there's no reason to be like you
Speaker 4: got to hide this, that and the other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right, should we should we pivot? Let's pivot.
Speaker 2: I kind of want to ask you about the uh,
Speaker 2: the Las Vegas bombing.
Speaker 4: Oh god, okay, have you listened to Sean Ryan podcast
Speaker 4: at all? No, have you do into this world at all?
Speaker 8: Conspiracies eries?
Speaker 2: Not really?
Speaker 8: I don't what was it a conspiracy theory? However, what
Speaker 8: would you what would you call that world? I don't know,
Speaker 8: so I'm not I'm not calling him a conspiracy theorist.
Speaker 8: I assumed that that's what you meant, like, let's say,
Speaker 8: alternative explanations for phenomena that is to us.
Speaker 4: I had no idea Will was going to do that.
Speaker 4: I kind of jumped in in like an improv sense.
Speaker 4: Of being like, let's just keep this going, so we'll
Speaker 4: go on.
Speaker 2: I just feel like I feel like it was we
Speaker 2: were coming to a point where we could pivot the
Speaker 2: conversation totally. I feel like the talk, the talk of
Speaker 2: the internet has been that Vegas bombing. Was it like
Speaker 2: an inside job, a reverse sy y op? The car
Speaker 2: blowing up the frame by frame? Was the guy dead?
Speaker 8: Is he really dead?
Speaker 4: Have you looked Have you looked into this stuff at all?
Speaker 8: Can I be honest with you. I do not like
Speaker 8: watching videos of people dying.
Speaker 2: So there's a rumor that he was potentially already dead.
Speaker 2: And the smart car drove itself up there real quick.
Speaker 2: And you never went through like the Gordon dot com
Speaker 2: you know what?
Speaker 8: That ship and that by the way, every.
Speaker 2: Guy, two Girls, one cup.
Speaker 8: I hate that ship. People would prank me with it.
Speaker 8: They'd be like, dude, check out this video of my kickflip.
Speaker 2: And then it's a girl sh every kid, every kid, guy,
Speaker 2: it's just salad right now paying Olympics. No, no, fuck,
Speaker 2: all of that there was all that.
Speaker 4: I feel like, did you went through that too?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe in Nebraska you and the boys get together
Speaker 4: and it's like for whatever, reason somebody pulls pulls a
Speaker 4: laptop and do just fucked up videos.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, somebody shooting a NERF a NERF football
Speaker 2: out of there, pussy. Hey, you guys have seen that, right.
Speaker 2: I love how you whispered pussy. That is so funny.
Speaker 4: Okay, So here's a quick breakdown from what I've gathered
Speaker 4: on the New Orleans thing. This guy who was in
Speaker 4: this like was in the army, was in like a
Speaker 4: green beret one of those branches.
Speaker 8: This is New Orleans.
Speaker 4: What did I say, You said New Orleans. Okay, well,
Speaker 4: he was also in the same branch. However, I am
Speaker 4: I was talking about Las Vegas. This guy was apparently
Speaker 4: based on the Sean Ryan podcast that we watched. Somebody
Speaker 4: sent his guests and emails. I'm assuming it's this guy Alex,
Speaker 4: who is like, I'm I know all this information. I'm
Speaker 4: going to do X, Y and Z do not release
Speaker 4: any of this stuff till January January first, or until
Speaker 4: after December thirty first. So January first happens. And I
Speaker 4: guess what people are trying to say now is that
Speaker 4: this was not a terrorist terroist attack, the Las Vegas thing.
Speaker 2: It was actually like.
Speaker 4: A a reminder or like a there was not like
Speaker 4: ill intent of like blowing something up because you're gonna
Speaker 4: take a tesla that Elon Musk essentially essentially brags saying.
Speaker 2: This is bulletproof.
Speaker 4: Joe Rogan shoots an arrow, doesn't even barely dent the
Speaker 4: whole entire thing and sets off fireworks, and then this
Speaker 4: guy gets charred inside of it. So the guy they
Speaker 4: say that did do this, they took the charred body
Speaker 4: of the tesla and pulled the DNA from him, and
Speaker 4: the DNA against the alleged guy who did it, Sono,
Speaker 4: the DNA did not match at all. So they're thinking
Speaker 4: this this whole little something about October seventh, like anything.
Speaker 4: He wants chiming show bro the gun as well. Suream,
Speaker 4: you had a great point about go ahead and grabbed that, Mike.
Speaker 4: What was the point about the desert eagle?
Speaker 7: So in forensics they said in every case that there
Speaker 7: was a suicide attempt with a desert eagle upon the
Speaker 7: person losing their life. A desert eagle is such a
Speaker 7: high caliber pistol it would launch out at the hand.
Speaker 7: They were like twenty feet almost The pistol was found
Speaker 7: in his lap in the car, so they were saying,
Speaker 7: that's pretty much impossible unless it hit off a bunch
Speaker 7: of different surfaces and then just landed.
Speaker 2: In his lap, which I mean, I mean JFK, right
Speaker 2: is what I read. It feels like the yeah, allegedly
Speaker 2: either way, like the best part of this. I know
Speaker 2: I brought the Sean Ryan thing. I didn't. I haven't
Speaker 2: gotten to listen to everybody's like, go listen to the
Speaker 2: first thirty to forty five minutes, So I've just seen
Speaker 2: the cliff the cliff notes on X and in my mind,
Speaker 2: I'm thinking of Francis. I'm sure Francis has a little
Speaker 2: has a little angle or a thought on the conspiracy
Speaker 2: s of because everybody's playing there's so many different conversations
Speaker 2: going on around it on if Sean Ryan's kind of
Speaker 2: he's got fake stuff going out there, if it's real,
Speaker 2: like all the sides are coming out, all the sides
Speaker 2: are coming out to where I have no clue what's.
Speaker 4: Real, no idea what's real.
Speaker 2: But that's the fun part about podcast.
Speaker 4: You can have to say things and hope that somebody
Speaker 4: who's in the comments knows more than you do. Sure,
Speaker 4: and you see a fun comment on YouTube in a
Speaker 4: little bit that I can now digest and say.
Speaker 2: Next week, and you hope the guest talks more than
Speaker 2: we do so we don't sound like.
Speaker 4: It're like, oh, because we don't want to be those
Speaker 4: guys right now. Also, New Orleans, Bourbon Street, they have
Speaker 4: barricades where cars can't.
Speaker 8: Get to.
Speaker 2: The dudes who just drove through the street. Usually those
Speaker 2: barricades are up and protected of that. For some reason,
Speaker 2: they were down that night getting.
Speaker 4: Reinforced for the super Bowl. But why would they get
Speaker 4: reinforced the night before?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the bulgeme. Do you think that's a coincidence?
Speaker 8: What do you think, Golle?
Speaker 2: Do you think we're safe in America right now? What
Speaker 2: do you think of the drones off the coast?
Speaker 8: Is taking a real twist? Speaking of Twisted t.
Speaker 4: One, normal stuff, phenomenal stuff. Twisted question this week is
Speaker 4: brought to you by Twisted Tea. Is a government fucking us?
Speaker 2: Francis?
Speaker 8: You know, Look, I think I think I sort of
Speaker 8: process a lot of this stuff the same way that
Speaker 8: I feel about you know, alien lifes and UFOs and
Speaker 8: stuff like that. I bet that some of the conspiracy
Speaker 8: stuff or alternative explanations from what the media tells us
Speaker 8: are true or there's a kernel of truth to them.
Speaker 8: Do I want to find out the truth?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 8: I want. I live such a short amount of time
Speaker 8: on this earth. Choosing I have enough problems in my
Speaker 8: own brain. Choosing willful ignorance as opposed to finding and
Speaker 8: hunting for the absolute correct truth is a more blissful
Speaker 8: way for me to live. Because if I did learn
Speaker 8: through hunting through files and fucking the local library and whatever,
Speaker 8: that the government had removed the barriers on Bourbon streets
Speaker 8: so that some lunatic could mow down a bunch of people, Like,
Speaker 8: what am I gonna do?
Speaker 2: What? What? Then? Right? And then if you're too If yeah,
Speaker 2: then you're the one who gets killed.
Speaker 8: Or do I do I become a soapbox guyde? Do
Speaker 8: I do I stop what I'm doing and devote my
Speaker 8: life to pulling back the curtain? Do I join a
Speaker 8: secret and live with this sickening truth that I know
Speaker 8: about my government in America? That do I?
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 8: I'm not thrilled with the American government and our leaders
Speaker 8: and all that, But like, if I believe that they're
Speaker 8: killing our own citizens intentionally, my god, then what what
Speaker 8: do I do. Do I apply for citizenship somewhere else?
Speaker 8: Do I try to muster some like sect to foment insurrection,
Speaker 8: to stage a coup? What am I supposed to do?
Speaker 8: What do I do? Does anyone give a fuck that
Speaker 8: I know? This?
Speaker 2: Am I the guy?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So do you think the government is in on it?
Speaker 4: Flip a coin.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's what he's saying. He doesn't want to get
Speaker 2: doesn't want to We all love to flirt and try
Speaker 2: to find out just enough to where you almost get
Speaker 2: to that point you're like, let me fall back a
Speaker 2: little bit. This is getting a little too Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: getting a little too loney about it.
Speaker 4: To me, it's like I am the ultimate optimist when
Speaker 4: it comes to like bat like, kind of like Burt
Speaker 4: when Bert's like, people die, but maybe I don't die.
Speaker 4: I'm not that dramatic, but I'm like, these things are happening.
Speaker 4: It's like okay, but like nothing really has ever happened
Speaker 4: to me. I think I'm gonna be okay.
Speaker 2: Like I'm kind of thirty three years in the surface,
Speaker 2: I'm kind of moving through and I'm unscathed a little bit.
Speaker 4: All right, doesn't mean somebody should go do something but
Speaker 4: it's super interesting.
Speaker 2: All this shit is.
Speaker 4: And I'm not taking away from anybody, like obviously people tragic,
Speaker 4: people lost their lives. It's I'm not I know we're
Speaker 4: trying to like joke about. It's not fucking funny, so
Speaker 4: don't laugh.
Speaker 2: But no, I don't think we're joking about that. It's
Speaker 2: just because my life's worked out really damn good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's like people are like, hey, Taylor, this
Speaker 4: man thing can happen. I'm like, maybe, but I think
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be all right, and it kind of sometimes
Speaker 4: for the most part, works out right.
Speaker 8: I enjoy whoever they are killing is in person. We're
Speaker 8: not having to compete with anymore.
Speaker 4: So like you said that, Francis Ellis said that whoever.
Speaker 8: They're killing, and I'm not it's the Bourbon street people,
Speaker 8: but like whoever they deem if that's giving me, you know,
Speaker 8: more job opportunities, by all means, I don't think I.
Speaker 2: Want to say that what you're saying, No, that's your
Speaker 2: idea of what I said. I, however, did not say that.
Speaker 2: Ah Okay, I'm just saying sometimes I look at these
Speaker 2: crazy things and I'm like, that's fucking nuts.
Speaker 4: But then I think to myself, it's gonna be all.
Speaker 2: Right, Francs. Francis is like style and blogs on us
Speaker 2: are in real time. Right now, you're explaining yours in
Speaker 2: like the fourth grade level. He's he's explaining Harvard level. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Harvard level. Yeah.
Speaker 8: So I'm putting all I'm just putting all the smoke
Speaker 8: on him.
Speaker 4: All all that to be said, I think conspiracy theories
Speaker 4: are fun to look into. Yeah, they're fun, they're exciting.
Speaker 2: Could they be true? Yes?
Speaker 4: I your kernel analogy that was real nice, and then there's
Speaker 4: a small little piece in there that's like, Okay, there's
Speaker 4: probably some truth that turned into something. But to know everything,
Speaker 4: I feel like it would cause you to go mad.
Speaker 2: Yes. So basically what I said was, we're on the
Speaker 2: same pit. How about the Fox Sports one? I don't
Speaker 2: know if we should even talk about that.
Speaker 8: Wow, we just fucking poked holes in the truth of
Speaker 8: a fifteen person terrorist attack. But you know, joy having
Speaker 8: sex with her coworkers.
Speaker 2: It's too hot to handle, so talk about woman like
Speaker 2: moving ahead.
Speaker 4: As long as we say that, they could get us
Speaker 4: with us saying the things we just said about that stuff.
Speaker 4: It's like, oh, we're probably being sensitive in a lot
Speaker 4: of ways, but we're also aware.
Speaker 2: That we're being insensitive.
Speaker 4: If we start going at Joy or whoever, they could
Speaker 4: sue us.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, how about it crazy?
Speaker 8: Wait, I'm just saying, wait, wait, hold on a second.
Speaker 8: If you posit things under a hypothetical or like I
Speaker 8: think this might have happened, they can't sue you, right,
Speaker 8: they can't sue you for libel or slander or whatever.
Speaker 8: And by the way, the laws have become incredibly difficult
Speaker 8: to prove libel. And now it's it's the case that
Speaker 8: if if you, if you sue someone for libel, uh,
Speaker 8: you have to prove that they knowingly and willingly presented
Speaker 8: a mistruth when they knew it was a lie. So
Speaker 8: like if a paper wrote like Taylor Lawan is a terrorist,
Speaker 8: and you sued that paper, you'd have to find some
Speaker 8: email from the guy who wrote the article to his
Speaker 8: editor being like, I'm going to publish this even though
Speaker 8: I'm making the whole thing.
Speaker 2: Up, so we're safe, is what you're saying.
Speaker 8: Yeah, us being like uh, us being like a Fox
Speaker 8: Sports is crazy. Like, according to what I've read, Joy
Speaker 8: and Acho and all these people were in some weird
Speaker 8: sexual kind of power tug of war struggle that some
Speaker 8: other poor young woman got caught up in and and
Speaker 8: you know, was silenced and offered crazy money for and
Speaker 8: like you know, even if we offered some takes on that.
Speaker 8: The other part of it is like, you guys are
Speaker 8: a humorous podcast. You're probably protected under parody law, which
Speaker 8: is to say we are kidding law, we're kidding, or
Speaker 8: we can do so we can say whatever we want
Speaker 8: that we're kidding.
Speaker 2: We're just kidding. Yes, that's you're safe.
Speaker 4: All right, we'll go first.
Speaker 8: That's my understanding the law.
Speaker 2: I think it's wild number one. It's like, you know,
Speaker 2: something big comes out on a big corporation. We all
Speaker 2: feed on drama and all this chaos. I think it's
Speaker 2: funny that all of this stuff is coming out with
Speaker 2: Acho involved, because he hasn't tweeted like the last day.
Speaker 2: So it's like you're sitting back with your popcorn ready
Speaker 2: to see how all these defendants, the the White exec,
Speaker 2: Joy Taylor, how they're all going to respond to it.
Speaker 2: But it makes me think about you ever seen the
Speaker 2: did I Did I ask you this? Last night? The
Speaker 2: Morning Show?
Speaker 8: Yes?
Speaker 2: On Apple Plus. I feel like that right, there is
Speaker 2: the show that gives you a look inside what is
Speaker 2: the morning corporate media. These the corporate media companies. It's
Speaker 2: basically like Steve Fritz, all the power structure, people sleeping
Speaker 2: with other people, blackmail, just all the stuff that we
Speaker 2: all gravitate towards in like Netflix series. It's happening right
Speaker 2: now with Fox Sports one, and everybody's kind of like
Speaker 2: waiting to see how they're going to respond to all this,
Speaker 2: because clearly all the legal documentation has come out from
Speaker 2: this from this woman who's came out about everything on
Speaker 2: Skip Bayless Trey Panger one point five million dollars, that's
Speaker 2: all out there now, and everyone speculating videos are getting
Speaker 2: deleted from profiles, people are trying to use old videos
Speaker 2: to show all the different things the internet's doing, what
Speaker 2: the Internet's doing, And I'm like sitting back kind of
Speaker 2: like waiting, like, damn, how are these people going to
Speaker 2: respond in amidst all this chaos? Right?
Speaker 8: Look, there's a piece of this that makes this so unique,
Speaker 8: which is that there was a woman who was involved
Speaker 8: and knowingly involved and was using all of it for
Speaker 8: her own benefit.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 8: It's the first time I can remember that there has
Speaker 8: been a corporate sexual harassment story that's broken, which wasn't
Speaker 8: almost entirely man does bad to woman and.
Speaker 2: He'll dominate it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think what that's what makes this riper for discussion,
Speaker 8: for humor.
Speaker 2: See Joy was, you know, running the show. Yeah she was,
Speaker 2: she was moving the pieces, she was playing chess.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that is a very unique alternative to
Speaker 4: what's been usually goes on. Yes, it's just gonna be
Speaker 4: crazy to see, Like you said, how all unfolds and
Speaker 4: then the obvious Netflix documentary is eventually gonna come out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, dude, mi.
Speaker 5: Ab said nobody wanted to FuG jammel.
Speaker 2: Huh. People are so funny, who hey who here and
Speaker 2: the on the bus and squad was sweet. Would sleep
Speaker 2: with somebody to climb the ladder. Yeah, but dude.
Speaker 8: There is so sexually that I would not do to
Speaker 8: some of the most unbelievably unattractive people on earth to
Speaker 8: move forward professionally. You give me a fucking Cincinnati Bengal
Speaker 8: and you say I have to suck this dude's toe
Speaker 8: and I'll get one hundred grand more a year. Yeah,
Speaker 8: I'll fucking do it. Where does this bride ethics. Ah,
Speaker 8: get out of here, man, I'll do anything. I don't care.
Speaker 2: Would you suck dick? You know I'm sick ask you
Speaker 2: a question? Would you suck dick? Well? There you go?
Speaker 2: I mean there there is a line, I guess, but
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I'm following you.
Speaker 8: But you know you got something completion. Yeah, see that's tough.
Speaker 8: Now do I have to take it down the gullet?
Speaker 4: I'm sure you could. I'm sure it's fit.
Speaker 8: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: He gives a joke, you a little bit. Wow, but
Speaker 2: you get a million dollar raise for text time boy?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 8: Look, I mean, fuck man? Am I crazy for like
Speaker 8: entertaining the idea? Is that hyper gay? Or hyper motivated?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Am I just that ambitious? Or really tired of inching
Speaker 8: forward by posting a post three days a week and
Speaker 8: fucking you know?
Speaker 2: Also, gag me out, dude.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, you can shit on my forehead tonight if
Speaker 8: it meant I could skip seven rungs on the ladder.
Speaker 8: I'm tired of going the scenic route on my career.
Speaker 8: Fucking jump me ahead if you're telling me I get
Speaker 8: to headline Radio City Music Hall tomorrow in exchange for
Speaker 8: one you know, post dinner dump on my forehead. Fucking hell.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I get it.
Speaker 8: I'll get down there. I don't have that much integrity.
Speaker 8: Yeah whatever, you heard it here first?
Speaker 2: Yeah whatever, Yeah, man, I don't think i'd uh. Those
Speaker 2: are my couple of topics. Hot, hot, it's pretty good.
Speaker 4: They dump on the forehead, though, for money, that doesn't
Speaker 4: seem like a bad deal.
Speaker 8: No, that's somehow less bad than than sucking a dick.
Speaker 2: Somehow, that's obviously. Yeah, obvious.
Speaker 8: Is that obvious?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you take a shower, You're done. Think about it, man,
Speaker 2: same with blowing a guy action the completion. What's the
Speaker 2: old phrase?
Speaker 4: Do you can paint a thousand paintings? Never be called
Speaker 4: a painter? You stuck one piece her cocks.
Speaker 8: I thought you were going to say you can paint
Speaker 8: a thousand paintings, and you've still sucked a dick.
Speaker 4: There's that too, Yeah, right, and nothing. If that's your thing.
Speaker 4: If you want to suck, good for you. That's not
Speaker 4: my something.
Speaker 8: Back, We'll think of this. How many men out there
Speaker 8: have sucked a dick for no money?
Speaker 2: M great, I'm.
Speaker 8: Getting paid a million dollars. I'm the richest blow jobber
Speaker 8: there ever was right, you know, kudos to me.
Speaker 4: There is that point.
Speaker 2: That's a great point.
Speaker 8: I set my price.
Speaker 2: I did it on my terms.
Speaker 4: That mouth's not for free. Let me ask you this
Speaker 4: about filatio. Isn't it kind of obvious that men would
Speaker 4: be the best at it? Anyway about it?
Speaker 8: I think that's like, uh, that's what we all used
Speaker 8: to say, used to say, what do you mean? Well,
Speaker 8: it's like the idea.
Speaker 2: That I know what I want exactly right. I know
Speaker 2: how I would do it to myself.
Speaker 4: Since you hit puberty and you realize that this thing
Speaker 4: is not just for ping and you could mess with
Speaker 4: it yourself, and you know, you can go through a
Speaker 4: long goon session or however you're crunch for time on
Speaker 4: an elevator or something like that. I gotta get this
Speaker 4: out quick. I'm thinking too differently. I need to be
Speaker 4: clear in the head. You know how to get that
Speaker 4: done quickly. Now, it's probably similar to the same thing
Speaker 4: that you probably go through if you want to get
Speaker 4: things firing.
Speaker 8: Look, I A gooning is so funny, jelking all these terms.
Speaker 8: Have you heard of these things?
Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, yeah, we're very advanced.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 8: I love these fucking terms.
Speaker 2: This is such a this podcast, this one specifically, Yeah,
Speaker 2: we do best.
Speaker 8: One contrary, contrary to what I may have just hinted at,
Speaker 8: I actually have no I don't know if men buy
Speaker 8: and large categorically are better at giving blowjobs than women.
Speaker 8: What I would say just saying I know what I want,
Speaker 8: so clearly I would be able to blow myself better
Speaker 8: than a woman. Women have done things with me that
Speaker 8: I wouldn't have ever imagined of, and I'm like, Wow,
Speaker 8: that's new.
Speaker 2: I didn't know. I like that.
Speaker 8: That's deranged. That stems from a poor relationship with her father.
Speaker 8: I have a great relationship with my dad. Maybe that
Speaker 8: would hold me back from maybe making my mass scare
Speaker 8: run from blowing myself, you know what I mean, treating
Speaker 8: my mouth like a vagina, Like I don't know, I
Speaker 8: don't I don't know what to say about that. That
Speaker 8: would be my take, So.
Speaker 2: On the internet, go ahead and read it.
Speaker 7: Charm on the whole this comes from Dylan said, on
Speaker 7: the whole, I'd say men give the better blow job
Speaker 7: because not only do they know what they'd like, any
Speaker 7: mansucking a dick is doing it because they genuinely enjoy it,
Speaker 7: whether it's just for the act or to make you come.
Speaker 7: I've enjoyed blowjobs off women over the years, but never
Speaker 7: had a toe curling experience like I do when a
Speaker 7: man sucks my dick.
Speaker 2: We're gonna have to edit that part out of the episode.
Speaker 2: That's the part you ended out of the episode. Welcome.
Speaker 8: I mean I I can find a flaw in this.
Speaker 8: I have a flaw in this, right, So we presume
Speaker 8: this this guy is bisexual. Uh, I think it's probably
Speaker 8: safe Fish to say that he doesn't have a fifty
Speaker 8: fifty indifference to being blown by a woman or a man.
Speaker 8: So his toe curling does that come because men are
Speaker 8: better at it? Or because he's more turned on by
Speaker 8: the fact that a guy is blowing him than a woman.
Speaker 2: Fair point, Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 4: That was beautiful point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well said, Yeah, where do we go from here?
Speaker 4: How about Sas just taking a shot at me a
Speaker 4: couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 8: I love that, and I love that I escaped Scott
Speaker 8: free because I actually deserved too.
Speaker 4: But I was so focused on SAS's body frame and
Speaker 4: now he was talking like that, I was like, this
Speaker 4: is fucking nuts.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Sas Is. You have to remember he's twenty four
Speaker 8: and has no fear of offering some theories and opinions
Speaker 8: that are.
Speaker 4: I love that.
Speaker 2: What I didn't do.
Speaker 4: What I need to do in the next six to
Speaker 4: eight weeks is I need to go to New York
Speaker 4: without telling anybody. Maybe just tell you and strip down
Speaker 4: to this like a speedo or something like that, and
Speaker 4: go into a dark room and then you bring sass
Speaker 4: in there. But hey, we'll do some content in here.
Speaker 4: You close the door behind him, and I put my
Speaker 4: hands on him for a little bit so he knows,
Speaker 4: just so he knows.
Speaker 2: I'm not no intent, but I wanted to see it.
Speaker 2: I want to. I want to pick him up, come
Speaker 2: in the air a little bit, hold him down, hold
Speaker 2: him down, say try to get out, and I'll with
Speaker 2: one hand, I'll hold him down and I'll start.
Speaker 4: A time around my phone. I'm like, you have one
Speaker 4: minute and just see how long it takes him to
Speaker 4: squirm his way out of there. Yes, yes, all that
Speaker 4: while just wearing as minimal clothing as possible.
Speaker 8: I'm trying.
Speaker 4: I think that just is a better way of going.
Speaker 2: It needs to happen, and.
Speaker 4: That's great toes my this is SaaS. Yes that then
Speaker 4: those nipples are insane, but a little bit of.
Speaker 2: Would you would you say, what did you say about Taylor.
Speaker 8: And that we call we call that the National geographic filter?
Speaker 8: Would you say a little bit? Well, then I yeah,
Speaker 8: because then I realized how stupid what I'd said was.
Speaker 8: So Fights has been quietly like working out as if
Speaker 8: he's you know, training for buds training or something like
Speaker 8: he's and he and he sent me a workout that
Speaker 8: he had done and I tried to go through it
Speaker 8: top the bottom. First of all, it took me like
Speaker 8: an hour and a half. And I'm not like screwing
Speaker 8: around on my phone, taking long water breaks, nothing. I'm
Speaker 8: going as kind of as quickly as I can. And
Speaker 8: it was all like super sets, you know, different body parts,
Speaker 8: and he was like yeah, and he kind of just
Speaker 8: said it wasn't that hard for him, and I that
Speaker 8: was It was on the heels of that that I
Speaker 8: made the comment of I was like, I think Fights
Speaker 8: might be the strongest guy at the company at this point,
Speaker 8: and I think, I said, maybe maybe even stronger than Taylor,
Speaker 8: And then Sas was like, oh, he's definitely stronger than that,
Speaker 8: and I was like then I was then I was like,
Speaker 8: I don't I don't know about that. And then I realized,
Speaker 8: I don't think I don't think fights. I don't think
Speaker 8: anyone's stronger than Taylor.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think anybody is.
Speaker 4: It's a low bar. What do you mean at the
Speaker 4: company a barstool. It's it's like, I'm not but but but.
Speaker 2: You're also strong. I think you're just like not.
Speaker 4: But to their point, I am not as strong as
Speaker 4: I used to be, not even close to as strong as.
Speaker 2: I used to be.
Speaker 8: Fair, but let me ask you this, Like, let's say
Speaker 8: that you you know, you didn't have any injury reasons
Speaker 8: for preventing you and the fucking you know, Ravens called
Speaker 8: you tomorrow and said, like we need you for wild
Speaker 8: Card weekend or whatever or like week you know, the
Speaker 8: visional playoffs. How quickly can you be game ready?
Speaker 4: Well, that's a difficult question because I'm fifty sixty pounds
Speaker 4: less than I usually am. Yeah, but if it was
Speaker 4: like look at that, Yeah, that's a unit right there,
Speaker 4: hit the backside on him, showing the backside. I mean, dude,
Speaker 4: if there was no injury issues, yeah, I'd be able.
Speaker 2: I'd be next year.
Speaker 4: Pull up a photo of Richie incognito. You want to see.
Speaker 8: Said that, fuck you have. He's a fucking terrifying body.
Speaker 4: But there's no injury issues.
Speaker 2: Go and play.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that would be. That's just a unit
Speaker 4: of a man. That's a guy that you hnd him
Speaker 4: one hundred ft pound dumbells. Don't tell him what the
Speaker 4: way it is and say do twenty he'll do twenty
Speaker 4: of curls.
Speaker 2: Yeah, bench press, curl whatever.
Speaker 8: Yeah he is.
Speaker 4: I don't know if he ain't curling, but he is just
Speaker 4: and that's a bad that's a fat that's a fat
Speaker 4: richie photo.
Speaker 2: That's gotta be.
Speaker 4: I don't know, but he is maybe the strongest human
Speaker 4: being I've ever been around in my entire life.
Speaker 8: Yeah, try Ritchie incognito, shirtless oil, very little clothing. That'll
Speaker 8: give us a better idea. I was kidding, but that's good.
Speaker 2: I mean he's a tank.
Speaker 8: Yeah he is a Yeah, he's.
Speaker 4: A fucking tank.
Speaker 2: That's a tough photo. Wen do a TMZ photo.
Speaker 8: So okay, Yeah, it wouldn't wait wise, it would be
Speaker 8: an issue, but be an issue.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd be able to play.
Speaker 2: I mean, if there wasn't angels, I'd still be playing.
Speaker 8: What would be your prep over two weeks to get
Speaker 8: game ready from this day. No, uh, no injury issues
Speaker 8: at all. Like what would you do over two weeks?
Speaker 8: Would you start eating a ton?
Speaker 2: Would you do? Yeah?
Speaker 4: My playing left tackle? Yeah, then I'd have to eat
Speaker 4: an exorbitan amount of food. I would have to have
Speaker 4: three to four shots of olive oil a day because
Speaker 4: that's just calories. I would have three heavy calorie dense
Speaker 4: meals along with.
Speaker 2: Three shakes as well.
Speaker 4: And I bet you can gain shot proby can get
Speaker 4: thirty pounds in two weeks. Forty pounds maybe.
Speaker 8: And you're doing that while you're also doing like footwork,
Speaker 8: drills and lifting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's gonna be a hard balance when you're taking
Speaker 4: that many calories. Yeah, but yeah, I would have to do.
Speaker 2: Probably running.
Speaker 4: I think running I would do the most of because, like,
Speaker 4: I'm not as strong as I was, But if I
Speaker 4: had to compete for sixty minutes, conditioning would be a
Speaker 4: huge issue right now, So I would probably do as
Speaker 4: much conditioning as possible. I'd be obviously super rusty too
Speaker 4: pass blocking, but I think I picked that up halfway
Speaker 4: through the second.
Speaker 8: We did a thing with Justin Pugh, me and Dana
Speaker 8: beers had him and he told me that, you know,
Speaker 8: he retired, and then the next year in the playoffs,
Speaker 8: the forty nine ers called him, I think, and we're like, hey,
Speaker 8: we've had some in can you can you come? And
Speaker 8: he was, you know, twenty five thirty pounds under the
Speaker 8: weight that he was playing at. But he he was
Speaker 8: never that big at his position and was just you know,
Speaker 8: kind of quick, and so he was like he was
Speaker 8: able to get there and uh felt like he could
Speaker 8: have gone in and wasn't like that far off. No shit, Yeah,
Speaker 8: so he actually went Yeah, he was on the team.
Speaker 2: That's crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's an interesting question.
Speaker 8: These types of shirts don't flatter me. I look like
Speaker 8: I have man boobs. I don't have man boobs.
Speaker 2: It's all right. I think he looked great, and it
Speaker 2: looks like I think he looked good. There. You obviously
Speaker 2: have thho going on, but I feel like, did he
Speaker 2: hard on?
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. These gyms are chilly?
Speaker 2: These are how small is that gym is at the
Speaker 2: smallest gym ever.
Speaker 8: It's just one of those places in New York that's
Speaker 8: for like personal training exclusively got you.
Speaker 2: It was all we could kind of get well.
Speaker 4: What's it like trying to exercise in a place like
Speaker 4: New York Because I walk around there and I'm just
Speaker 4: thinking to myself, there's so much stuff going on, and
Speaker 4: they'll just see a big Planet Fitness in the corner.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just that do you go there or do
Speaker 2: you like do what? The personal things like? I don't
Speaker 2: go to Planet Members. I go to Lifetime.
Speaker 8: It's like in my building, luckily, and I try to
Speaker 8: just go at like off hours.
Speaker 2: Lifetime is a nice spot.
Speaker 8: Lifetime is nice. Yeah, well put together. Yeah, I like
Speaker 8: their I like their situation. Luckily, it's actually included in
Speaker 8: my rent, so I don't even have to.
Speaker 2: Pay for it.
Speaker 4: You were saying while we were at Surviving Barcel that
Speaker 4: you'd like taking your health super seriously. What are the
Speaker 4: things you've changed?
Speaker 8: Well, you know, one of the big things that I've
Speaker 8: really taken up that I enjoy is cooking. And I
Speaker 8: like cooking really clean, really simple, and I find it
Speaker 8: like makes me in the same way that doing laundry.
Speaker 8: I find that these types of like household chores make
Speaker 8: me feel regimented, productive, structured, and like I'm taking care
Speaker 8: of myself. So I like that a lot. Being outside
Speaker 8: being like getting getting out of the city and going
Speaker 8: up to my place up state and just walking in
Speaker 8: the woods. Would not I leave my phone in the car.
Speaker 8: If anyone passes away, I won't be there. But that's
Speaker 8: a risk I'm willing to take for a two hour
Speaker 8: walk through the woods. Yeah, just like listening to the
Speaker 8: fucking wind leaves all that shit and thinking, you know,
Speaker 8: and then yeah, a lot of it is like you know,
Speaker 8: when I catching myself now when spiraling thoughts start and
Speaker 8: realizing like, okay, this thought pattern is not productive. And
Speaker 8: typically before I would just like follow it all the
Speaker 8: way to the bottom, and now I'm like, let's let's
Speaker 8: hit the pause, let's like go in another direction, let's
Speaker 8: recognize what's happening here and make a change.
Speaker 4: How did you, like, obviously you said you follow it
Speaker 4: all of it on the bottom. At what point did
Speaker 4: you realize you would do that? And then how did
Speaker 4: you how do you Essentially, somebody who's listening to this
Speaker 4: podcast right now, they're thinking to themselves, oh, I have
Speaker 4: the same issue. How did you construct a way to
Speaker 4: where you could see yourself heading towards the cliff and
Speaker 4: being able to divert to go a different direction.
Speaker 8: There were I mean, there's a couple of things, you know.
Speaker 8: First of all, therapy, uh two, I finally decided to
Speaker 8: go on medication. I went on well buttrin, which is
Speaker 8: like a pretty common antidepressant. And then I haven't been
Speaker 8: able to really stick with the meditation stuff, but I've
Speaker 8: done a few few things. And one of the things
Speaker 8: I remember taking with me from some of it was
Speaker 8: that you know, negative thoughts and distracted thoughts are gonna
Speaker 8: come through your brain. Don't try to stop them. Don't
Speaker 8: say like, ah, fuck, I've lost focus, I've lost my
Speaker 8: positive energy or whatever. Just let them flow and then
Speaker 8: flow out. Look at it. The analogy they used was like,
Speaker 8: think of the brain waves, or your brain is like
Speaker 8: a road where there's traffic and there's cars driving by,
Speaker 8: and instead of trying to like kick those cars off
Speaker 8: the road, just watch them go by and then reset
Speaker 8: your focus. And it's totally fine being able to like
Speaker 8: recognize the negative thoughts that I was having and not
Speaker 8: be like not giving them so much weight and not
Speaker 8: succumbing to them, but rather just being like, eh, that's no,
Speaker 8: that's not right, that's a that's you know, just something
Speaker 8: I need to like process and and and move on
Speaker 8: from uh. And sometimes I'll even do it out loud
Speaker 8: if I'm alone, which sounds crazy, But if I'm I'm
Speaker 8: like really kind of churning the wheels and just in
Speaker 8: a negative place, I'll just like find myself being like, stop,
Speaker 8: this is bullshit, you know, let's let's go in another direction,
Speaker 8: let's move forward whatever, like think of something positive, you know.
Speaker 8: And just finding that ability to like, uh make quick
Speaker 8: adjustments and like you know, patch up as I say,
Speaker 8: like engine malfunctions is a major step in the right
Speaker 8: direction for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I have to go to the bathroom. I had
Speaker 8: to piss so bad.
Speaker 2: Go pee.
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Speaker 4: to the episode, the tailors, they do, That's what I do.
Speaker 1: Game time.
Speaker 2: We're good, right, Yeah, dude, I wonder if I wonder
Speaker 2: if Brabe's gonna go to the Patriots. You saw the Jets.
Speaker 2: I saw the Jets interviewed. Yeah, but I don't think
Speaker 2: I don't want to go. Yeah, I want to go
Speaker 2: to the Jets at all. I don't think he will.
Speaker 2: I think he just he hits the interview to let her,
Speaker 2: but I know he's in the circuit. Yeah yeah, are you?
Speaker 2: Are you a ball guy at all?
Speaker 5: You?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 8: I just let me just I'm going to miss my flight,
Speaker 8: so I'm just going to tell them to rebook me.
Speaker 2: Oh do you need a roll?
Speaker 8: I've missed it, so I don't care. It was worth it.
Speaker 8: It was worth it. Who gives a ship?
Speaker 2: All right? Sorry about that? Yeah, I don't care.
Speaker 4: No company, We're so sorry, We're so sorry.
Speaker 8: Man, Just let me.
Speaker 2: I'm going to miss What time was the flight? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 2: what time was it? It's one he can make that.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 8: I don't even want to.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, you make that.
Speaker 8: I'm sure it'll be fine.
Speaker 2: I don't care because he's like, how long are they usually?
Speaker 2: I was like, probably like ninety minutes. But little did
Speaker 2: we know we're gonna have an absolute banger of an episode.
Speaker 8: I'm glad to hear it.
Speaker 4: A bunch of different Twist interns too. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: it was honestly awesome hearing all the stories.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's fun to I mean, it's so weird to
Speaker 8: tell it all that quickly because it makes me realize
Speaker 8: that my time in the at Barstool especially has been
Speaker 8: fucking insane. Yeah, it's been utterly insane. But I wonder
Speaker 8: how many people at this company have a similar story.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, or they're fearing the things that you've been
Speaker 2: through that I watched this and be like, holy fuck true.
Speaker 8: But I just feel like, you know mine, my you know,
Speaker 8: I'm Rhea could could write a book about her journey. Uh, obviously,
Speaker 8: Big Cat, Kevin, My god, I mean there's so many
Speaker 8: like people for whom the last seven eyes years of
Speaker 8: working in this place has been a thousand pages saga.
Speaker 8: It's an odyssey.
Speaker 4: Whenever Dave, Big Cat, and Kevin decide to hang it
Speaker 4: up for real, like not just sheld another company for
Speaker 4: a couple of years and turn it take.
Speaker 2: It all back.
Speaker 4: But if Dave, Dave, Big Cat and Kevin and then
Speaker 4: someone to facilitate the conversation and then just tell the
Speaker 4: story of Barstool and their ins and outs and their things,
Speaker 4: because it'd be interesting, yeah to hear that really funny.
Speaker 8: Yeah, So before you the episode, you called Dave to
Speaker 8: ask him a question, and I said, what it would
Speaker 8: take for me to call Dave on the phone is
Speaker 8: so bad that like even seeing you do that casually
Speaker 8: is just baffling to me. It's like you have a
Speaker 8: direct line to the Emperor. And my correspondence with Dave
Speaker 8: historically has either been because he's about to fire me,
Speaker 8: I have to tell him something horrible has happened and
Speaker 8: we need to get ahead of it, or like, you know,
Speaker 8: it's not it's like using break in case of emergency
Speaker 8: is how I get on the phone to call Dave.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 8: With one exception lately, which was during the show, you know,
Speaker 8: they they showed me telling Dave that I had the idol,
Speaker 8: and they omitted a lot of information, which was that
Speaker 8: I did so because I saw that someone had gone
Speaker 8: through my bag and I was consulting with him to
Speaker 8: ask him about it, and I blogged about this and
Speaker 8: then Dave agreed and was very kind of vocal about it,
Speaker 8: and he was like, I don't know why they didn't
Speaker 8: include that, and he started texting me about it, and
Speaker 8: he was like texting me a lot, and he sent
Speaker 8: more text to me about this and being like he
Speaker 8: was texting me as if he was like my buddy
Speaker 8: and being like, yeah, I don't know why they didn't
Speaker 8: include that I thought that was a pretty good angle.
Speaker 8: I mean, the fact that you, you know, gave me
Speaker 8: the idol is like an important piece of the show
Speaker 8: and this made you look kind of stupid, which I
Speaker 8: didn't agree with. And then he's like, what do you
Speaker 8: think of this? Like that got that?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, what's happening right now?
Speaker 8: Like are you? Are you about to fire me? And
Speaker 8: and you know, I was like trying to just hold
Speaker 8: it together and text him back, and it was he
Speaker 8: sent me more texts in that exchange than we have
Speaker 8: ever texted each other total in the seven years that
Speaker 8: I've known him.
Speaker 4: Let's do a twisted question. Go ahead, pull that up, sure,
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Speaker 8: I can it.
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Speaker 1: Would you rather play a villain that dies and win
Speaker 1: an oscar for the performance or a hero and never
Speaker 1: win an oscar but have a trilogy as that character?
Speaker 8: Is this to me?
Speaker 2: Yeah, for all of us, the trilogy really throws us
Speaker 2: off because it was super easy until you got to
Speaker 2: the trilogy.
Speaker 4: See I don't think it, don't I don't think so.
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Speaker 4: the way. The amount of opportunity that comes from that,
Speaker 4: the ability to do things. Then after that, maybe you
Speaker 4: become a hero, do something else. But to have an
Speaker 4: Oscar in your hand, on your shelf and to achieve
Speaker 4: a one sent of one percent thing in the acting world,
Speaker 4: is that's it?
Speaker 2: That's the answer, yeah, but a trilogy, Yeah, but you Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 8: The implication here is that if you if you do
Speaker 8: have a trilogy as a superhero, you're making oodles of money,
Speaker 8: and that I guess we'd have to assume playing one
Speaker 8: role as a villain winning an oscar. Maybe it's like
Speaker 8: or of an indie film. I think I think we
Speaker 8: should take a license to like divide the two and
Speaker 8: say that the villain role does not come with the
Speaker 8: lifetime fuck you money that the trilogy does.
Speaker 4: Right, all right, Yeah, that's a great pivot because I'm
Speaker 4: gonna go with the trilogy hero.
Speaker 8: Yes, clear, there you go.
Speaker 2: It's never been more clear to there you go. Even
Speaker 2: before you say that. No, I don't think so. I
Speaker 2: think it is super easy villains Oscar.
Speaker 4: Performance nuts because yeah, I wasn't aware of the indie thing.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, it doesn't necessarily have to be an indie.
Speaker 8: But like that, to me more more interestingly kind of
Speaker 8: bifurcates the question, So come on, what's you motherfucker did
Speaker 8: for a little bit with those words, bifer Kate is like,
Speaker 8: I think divides it into like two more different options.
Speaker 2: Yeah, divide into two branches or forks, you almost nail that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, he's because I want to, like I want to,
Speaker 8: I want to make this harder. Do you know what
Speaker 8: I mean? Because if you're saying, like, you win an
Speaker 8: Oscar as a villain, but the movie grosses a billion
Speaker 8: dollars and you make forty million bucks from that, versus
Speaker 8: playing a trilogy no Oscar, but you make I don't know,
Speaker 8: one hundred million more money, I guess.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like if you're considered Captain America forever.
Speaker 8: It's like, I think the answer is obviously the villain
Speaker 8: because you get the money and you get the respect. Yeah,
Speaker 8: but if it's an indie film, you make five hundred grand,
Speaker 8: but you get an Oscar versus you know, John Wick
Speaker 8: or Captain America or whatever.
Speaker 2: Jason Bourne.
Speaker 8: I don't know that winning an Oscar necessarily lends or
Speaker 8: leads to gigantic film options and success the way that
Speaker 8: maybe it once did, because there's people winning Oscars now
Speaker 8: who you never even fucking heard of, you know.
Speaker 2: Okay, so the Oscar.
Speaker 4: Are you saying the water down market for the Oscar.
Speaker 8: Well, not so much. I still I think it still
Speaker 8: carries the same cachet and is very well respected and
Speaker 8: is Baller. Having it on your shelf is sick. But
Speaker 8: is it sick if it's on a shelf of a
Speaker 8: split level ranch house in a shitty neighborhood.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that would be wild. You give me the trilogy?
Speaker 2: What are you taking, Francis, it's hard. Yeah. I think
Speaker 2: in just a sake of making movies, like taking out
Speaker 2: the fame and the money with it. I just feel
Speaker 2: like having a trilogy would be sick.
Speaker 4: I mean you got to think about the career too, Like, okay,
Speaker 4: take the money part out. Let's say you win an
Speaker 4: Oscar the that's the pinnacle right of that best actor Oscar.
Speaker 4: If you have the trilogy and you want to continue
Speaker 4: your acting career, there's that worry that you might forever
Speaker 4: be just seen as.
Speaker 2: Batman if that's what you care about. But if I'm
Speaker 2: seeing as Batman and I love.
Speaker 4: Him, what I kind of said, I was thinking to myself,
Speaker 4: it's not a bad thing to be thought of as Batman.
Speaker 4: As soon as Batman came out of my mouth, I
Speaker 4: was like, fuck, that's everywhere you go to Batman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they just say, oh, will come the King, say
Speaker 2: that line? Why do you want to kill me?
Speaker 4: Oh my god, he fucking does it. It's how good
Speaker 4: of an actor he is. I can't believe he didn't
Speaker 4: win an Oscar.
Speaker 8: Would you rather be Vin Diesel or you know Adrian Brody?
Speaker 2: Who's Adrian? Who's Adrian?
Speaker 8: He won for the Pianist. He's okay, this guy, he's
Speaker 8: always kind of like this, sad sort of.
Speaker 4: I'd rather be him.
Speaker 8: Interesting. You'd have to know that Vin Diesel, thanks to
Speaker 8: making Fast four hundred is just barely has to work,
Speaker 8: and like.
Speaker 2: He has to, he doesn't have to.
Speaker 8: He doesn't doesn't have to work, but like he doesn't
Speaker 8: even need to read scripts. He knows his next job
Speaker 8: is the next Fast movie and then after that another Fast.
Speaker 4: I think your example of the two actors one I've
Speaker 4: seen The Pianist. I think it's a great movie. It
Speaker 4: is I didn't know who that guy was. And I
Speaker 4: kind of like the uh, the multiple the multiple dimensions
Speaker 4: of an actor of like having like range.
Speaker 2: I think that's so cool.
Speaker 4: Vin Diesel.
Speaker 2: I don't like Fasting nothing, but I think the Fast
Speaker 2: and Fierce movies are terrible, terrible, every single one.
Speaker 4: When I saw you didn't like when I saw when
Speaker 4: I saw somebody I don't remember which one it was
Speaker 4: going a head on head collision, fly through the air,
Speaker 4: across the whole entire highway land on another car, and
Speaker 4: then go like this and kept well sure, I was
Speaker 4: like this ship, it's not for me. It never sparked
Speaker 4: my interest. I was never about it, right, So, based
Speaker 4: on those two actors, I'd rather the guy I can't
Speaker 4: remember his name already.
Speaker 8: Adrian Brody. I don't even think well, Heath Ledger, I
Speaker 8: don't think. I don't think you can add Heath Fledger
Speaker 8: to the other side, because Heath Ledger has had you know,
Speaker 8: Indie Oscar success, but he's also had major blockbus for success.
Speaker 8: And to that same thought, I don't think you can
Speaker 8: add Christian Bale, who you could argue is an incredibly versatile,
Speaker 8: role changing, shifting actor who's able to dive into completely
Speaker 8: different roles and be nominated for an Oscar every year. However,
Speaker 8: he had the trilogy as Batman, which grows him tons
Speaker 8: of money.
Speaker 2: True. True, But for our simple brains, if you just
Speaker 2: if we're just talking Batman, would you want to be
Speaker 2: Christian Bale or would you want to be Heath Ledger.
Speaker 2: I'd rather be Heath Ledger. Well, without dying.
Speaker 8: He's dead.
Speaker 2: Yes, do I have to die? Yeah? But this is
Speaker 2: the only movies we make. You're in one, if you're
Speaker 2: Heath Ledger, I would rather be Chriet. Yeah.
Speaker 4: But but the one I'm in, everyone's like, that's the
Speaker 4: best one because of the villain.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but the others are still pretty fucking.
Speaker 4: Good, no doubt, no doubt that is that.
Speaker 8: I think this is a great distillation of the question.
Speaker 8: I think this is an unbelievable we know, just boiling
Speaker 8: it down. We've boiled it down to a perfect example
Speaker 8: kind of I'll let.
Speaker 2: You know what the definition. So who would you rather be? I? I, oh, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you've you've nailed it.
Speaker 8: Boiled it down. I said, yeah. So, by wait, I'm
Speaker 8: never gonna get one of these words wrong, So we
Speaker 8: don't have to do this. You're just gonna have to
Speaker 8: trust that I have it.
Speaker 4: Right, literally, a confidence thing like that.
Speaker 2: I actually just trust you. Now, if you want again,
Speaker 2: I'll tell you and we don't need to double check.
Speaker 5: Fair enough.
Speaker 4: That was so fucking stupid to me. I'll never do
Speaker 4: that again. By the way, I'll never get one of
Speaker 4: these wrong.
Speaker 2: Would you rather have this?
Speaker 8: This is hard? This is hard?
Speaker 2: Great twisted question, Mitch, I would say, I would say that.
Speaker 8: I'm gonna go Heath Ledger. And I think it's because
Speaker 8: nobody really says the Batman movies were great because of
Speaker 8: how well Christian Bale played Batman. The Batman movies were
Speaker 8: great because of how well Christian Bale acted in that role.
Speaker 8: That's not really what people say.
Speaker 4: The movies are great, and he does well in the.
Speaker 8: He does great, but there may have been other actors
Speaker 8: who would have serviced that role. Well, no, not him,
Speaker 8: But there's a reason they also keep rebooting Batman and
Speaker 8: like Robert Pattinson did a different take of it but
Speaker 8: was great. I think. I think the reason that the
Speaker 8: that trilogy of you know, the Dark Knight, Dark Knight
Speaker 8: rises and Batman begins, the credit often goes to the
Speaker 8: director and the villains and then like you know, Michael
Speaker 8: Caine and the yeah, the music. It's like, uh, Christopher Nolan,
Speaker 8: that it tends to be the people around Christian Bale
Speaker 8: more than him.
Speaker 2: True leader.
Speaker 6: Let everybody up around him. Yeahed of all the actors'
Speaker 6: careers you see right now, whose career would you want?
Speaker 8: It's hard not to say Christian Bale because he's had
Speaker 8: the blockbuster success while also being an incredibly respected actor
Speaker 8: for his nuance in craft.
Speaker 4: You know, I think is going to be like one
Speaker 4: of those actors you I wish I had his career,
Speaker 4: if I could pick a career to have eventually, Timothy Shallamane, Yeah, dude, great,
Speaker 4: he is a stunt. I mean it wasn't didn't really
Speaker 4: watch to do but.
Speaker 2: I loved Wonka.
Speaker 8: You didn't watch Doone.
Speaker 2: I loved Wonka.
Speaker 8: You can watch Doom.
Speaker 4: And I saw him on College get I saw him
Speaker 4: on College game Day and I was like, this kid's
Speaker 4: crushing it. And then I saw him on Theo's Pod
Speaker 4: and I was like, bro, No, his approach, Bro, his
Speaker 4: approach is insane.
Speaker 8: If you like him, now your your adulation of him
Speaker 8: after seeing.
Speaker 4: No, No, don't do that. Just have to have him tell.
Speaker 8: Adulation is reverence. It's you know, praise and deep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go, excessive admiration, praise there it is
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 4: You got no, you got one of the words right
Speaker 4: that time. He's actually kind of gotten worse each time.
Speaker 8: I'm taking full credit for that. Reverence is like praise
Speaker 8: all that I mean, the word that I use.
Speaker 4: I said, Chelamagne and I've seen one and a half.
Speaker 2: Of his movies and uh yeah, I funk with him. Dude.
Speaker 2: Him on College Game Day was so impressive to me.
Speaker 2: He's talking about college game Day and then him on
Speaker 2: the spot.
Speaker 4: Have you seen on Theo's podcast the way he just
Speaker 4: talks about his process and how he's gonna do everything
Speaker 4: the best he can.
Speaker 8: He is a very weird cadence of talking that I
Speaker 8: find compelling. Yeah, you don't, you don't even feel you
Speaker 8: have no idea what he's gonna say next. And I
Speaker 8: was gonna say, if you have not seen Dune and
Speaker 8: you like him, now you you're gonna ten x that
Speaker 8: after Dune. Both of them. I think both Dunes are
Speaker 8: best movies I've seen.
Speaker 7: He was blessed by.
Speaker 2: His success to it than.
Speaker 8: I love Tom Holland. I do love Tom Holland. There's
Speaker 8: there's something about when he when he does interviews and
Speaker 8: you hear his British accent where you're like, what he's
Speaker 8: that's awesome.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 8: I like their relationship. He's shorter than she is. He
Speaker 8: doesn't care beautiful shorting.
Speaker 2: It works.
Speaker 4: Also, I love like the little clips of him, just
Speaker 4: like kind of giving away spoilers on like Instagram lives
Speaker 4: and stuff like that. Like his innocence about him is beautiful.
Speaker 8: I do love that he as have walked away from
Speaker 8: the game for like two years, just was like, I'm
Speaker 8: not in a place where I want to do this
Speaker 8: right now. And he plays a ton of golf. He's
Speaker 8: really good at it. Charming, boyish, boyish. Love him. Who's
Speaker 8: that guy, Jake Jillenhall. He is incredible, He's amazing.
Speaker 4: I like him, A great career, prisoner, phenomenal.
Speaker 2: Movie haunting, almost tough to get through. Have kids. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you will not ever want to watch that movie again.
Speaker 2: But he is so fucking that kid's good too.
Speaker 8: He did that one and then he did the one.
Speaker 8: Uh I can't remember the name of it, but where
Speaker 8: he was like the murder detective who would show up
Speaker 8: to film.
Speaker 2: Oh, Nightcrawler.
Speaker 4: No, I did not name. I didn't like that name.
Speaker 2: That's a good one too, explain to me. Let me
Speaker 2: think of seven though, Yeah, yeah, it Seven's amazing.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 8: Nightcrawler is him being a little bit more like he's
Speaker 8: succumbing to ticks he's got. There's more of like a
Speaker 8: off putting acting in it. But it is him as
Speaker 8: driven and as like possessed as he is?
Speaker 2: And uh, what was the series on Apple? Plus he
Speaker 2: just did presumed Innisce.
Speaker 8: Yeah, pretty good. I would give that a B plus.
Speaker 8: I didn't love it. Oh, I don't like the ending. No,
Speaker 8: I actually thought the ending I didn't see coming was good.
Speaker 8: I just thought, you know, would she really fucking stand
Speaker 8: by him through all this? Are you kidding me? You
Speaker 8: know he's being like, I haven't seen it. Oh, yeah,
Speaker 8: good show.
Speaker 5: There was.
Speaker 4: Plus, there was seems like the way in the way
Speaker 4: he speaks, like you know, he's got high standards of Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: what's Titanic?
Speaker 8: What's my take on it?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Love it?
Speaker 2: Okay, good, just making sure.
Speaker 8: I haven't seen it in a while, but yeah, love it.
Speaker 4: I didn't want you to be the guy that has
Speaker 4: like there's like wildly loved movies but you're like it's
Speaker 4: actually garbage.
Speaker 8: No, No, I thought, I mean I iconic, genre changing,
Speaker 8: you know, beautiful movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to have that kind of love.
Speaker 8: It's also it's also the last movie where Leo has
Speaker 8: that kind of like innocent, youthful look where his like
Speaker 8: his bangs are feathered and he's got this wispy hair,
Speaker 8: and then he goes and starts doing all the dark
Speaker 8: shit like the Departed Gangs of New York, and all
Speaker 8: of a sudden he seems to like age ten years overnight.
Speaker 2: Look up a Leonardo DiCaprio The Quick in the Dead.
Speaker 4: I think this is a movie he did either right
Speaker 4: before and right after Titanic.
Speaker 2: I don't mind the newer Leo, the more like grizzled.
Speaker 8: Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he looks like a sweet sweet boy, sweet sweet
Speaker 2: boy with a six shooter in his hand, delivers papers
Speaker 2: on the side. Just believe the kid right now, Kid
Speaker 2: of the Dream. Yeah, it's it great. Have you seen
Speaker 2: this movie? No, phenomenal movie. What's it called? The Quick
Speaker 2: in the Dead? Very good? October? I've never seen it.
Speaker 2: We never heard of October.
Speaker 8: You see the Basketball Diaries? No, oh my god, that's Leo.
Speaker 8: That's a fucked up movie. This is Jillenhall as a boy.
Speaker 8: They launch rockets in a mining town. His father wants
Speaker 8: him to come down into the mines, get his head
Speaker 8: on straight, but he says, I have dreams, dreams of
Speaker 8: launching model rockets.
Speaker 2: How's it work out from.
Speaker 8: Well, Finally, his father says I in the similar way
Speaker 8: to Billy Elliott's father seeing the light, he says, Okay,
Speaker 8: I get it now, I get it now, I see
Speaker 8: that this is who you truly are. Was that actor's
Speaker 8: named Gary something? You see the guy on the left.
Speaker 4: So we do this thing called bustings right, and uh, yeah, hey,
Speaker 4: Bray's out functioned one hundred percent. And JP will do
Speaker 4: this thing where he like shows us athletes of different
Speaker 4: sports besides football players. And then last week he did
Speaker 4: actors on us and we did horribly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a tough showing. I got Russell Crowe.
Speaker 2: Eventually we had to play some wheel of fortune. Play
Speaker 2: some wheel of fortune. Nice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we got them.
Speaker 8: It makes sense.
Speaker 4: We definitely got them. All right, Well, how we feel.
Speaker 4: It's been a great, great show. Thank you, Thank you
Speaker 4: for missing your flight for us.
Speaker 8: Nothing could make me happier. This is a blast. I
Speaker 8: I this is I was really excited to do this show.
Speaker 8: Thank you, and uh it lived up to my hopes
Speaker 8: and dreams.
Speaker 2: So we had a nice dinner last night.
Speaker 8: We did.
Speaker 2: We tried hanging out, but Rue just no, we just
Speaker 2: stole Francis the entire time. She was being very selfish
Speaker 2: that's what we want. Was like. I was like, hey,
Speaker 2: France is going to come over for dinner, and I've
Speaker 2: gotten charge on like some of his blogs and Charle
Speaker 2: thinks he's funny.
Speaker 8: And she was like that is generous and wrong. She
Speaker 8: was like, I don't care about anything.
Speaker 2: She was talking about the barstool world and yeah, but
Speaker 2: you she she mentioned reading your blogs.
Speaker 8: I think this. You were like, she read the blog
Speaker 8: and liked it more, and she was like, eh.
Speaker 2: No, no, no. But she was like, maybe Francis will
Speaker 2: play scrabble with me, because I never played with her,
Speaker 2: because it's like I'm never gonna win in scrabble against Charrow.
Speaker 2: But we can't play scrabble because Rue wants to play
Speaker 2: Pretty Little Princess. So we're just playing Pretty Little Princess
Speaker 2: before he leaves.
Speaker 8: It was really fun. I got really close to winning
Speaker 8: and then the game got away from me. I kept
Speaker 8: I had to give the ring, the Mystery ring back,
Speaker 8: she took the crown from me. Yeah, it was kind
Speaker 8: of bullshit. It felt like somehow she had rigged it,
Speaker 8: like she knew how to spin the wheel to actually
Speaker 8: have it land on exactly what she needed. But that
Speaker 8: takes a lot away from her. I mean she she
Speaker 8: played well, she played well, she played a good ball game.
Speaker 8: She played well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, got away from me. That's awesome.
Speaker 4: I glad you just had a great dinner together because
Speaker 4: I didn't hear about to this afternoon. I'm glad you
Speaker 4: had fun.
Speaker 2: Man. That's it. A beautiful time. Huh, good time for
Speaker 2: some reason that was coming. You still do it every time?
Speaker 2: What are you talking about?
Speaker 4: Relax man, Yeah, you're good.
Speaker 8: This is great. Yeah, thank you guys. Watch Surviving Barstool
Speaker 8: this week is going to be unbelievable.
Speaker 4: Oh I got a text from Jeff I do die today?
Speaker 8: Oh great?
Speaker 2: Yeah about all that.
Speaker 8: So then what I would say is you should put
Speaker 8: a spoiler alert at the beginning of this episode. Be like,
Speaker 8: we're going to talk about surviving Barschool, and if you
Speaker 8: have not watched today's episode, you should wait to listen
Speaker 8: to this episode until you watched it.
Speaker 2: If you care. Smart move, smart move, smart move. We
Speaker 2: would have got to overthinking it. Do this, we do that,
Speaker 2: We'll just do it in the intro.
Speaker 4: Well, we're probably not gonna put in this in so
Speaker 4: big hugs, any kisses. We'll see you guys next time.
Speaker 4: Appreciate y'all Friant Yeah, thank you guys,