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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and welcome to Stephane.

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Speaker 2: Never told your production of iHeartRadio, and today we have

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Speaker 2: a very special recording for you for a couple of reasons.

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Speaker 1: First off, Samantha is away.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna talk about it more in a second, but

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Speaker 2: she is on a birthday trip. She is better from COVID,

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Speaker 2: but she's on a birthday trip. But that means that

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Speaker 2: my good friend Lauren and coworker Lauren, who is on

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Speaker 2: the Savorite podcast with me, is filling in on what

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Speaker 2: is quite an interesting experience we're having right now. We'll

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Speaker 2: talk about it in a second, but welcome Lauren to Spinty.

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Speaker 3: Oh, thank you, yes, Hi, Hello. I am so glad

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Speaker 3: to be here in this bizarre circumstance with you.

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Speaker 2: You you stepped up because we got asked to go

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Speaker 2: on this work trip to Las Vegas where we are

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Speaker 2: recording live from the iHeart Podcast studio powered by Bows

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Speaker 2: at the House of Music at the iHeartRadio Music Festival.

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Speaker 2: And it's like a booth in the middle of a

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Speaker 2: music festival.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, and we have like this cool just just

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Speaker 3: just plexiglass door, so it feels like an action figure box.

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Speaker 3: It does can just kind of like stare at us

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Speaker 3: and take pictures. Yeah, which makes me, as a podcaster

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Speaker 3: who does this in my house with my cat, very comfortable.

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Speaker 4: This is completely natural.

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Speaker 1: Right, very natural.

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I'm looking at right now and trying

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Speaker 2: not to think too much about it. But we are

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Speaker 2: very excited to have you. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: volunteering to talk about this.

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Speaker 1: And we're gonna have fun. We're gonna have fun.

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Speaker 3: Oh, we certainly are. If it had been any other topic,

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Speaker 3: I might have been like, you know, you.

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Speaker 1: Do that one by yourself.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, so we're here for the iHeart Music Festival

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Speaker 2: and we've had a good time. We've had a good time. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but it's been a whirlwind. And yeah, Samantha is away.

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Speaker 2: Her birthday is September twenty sixth, which happens to be

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Speaker 1: Of us day. She always makes fun of me when

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Speaker 2: But that got me thinking, like, what could we talk

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Speaker 2: about that would be in that kind of horror realm,

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Speaker 2: all right, you know I don't need an excuse to

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Speaker 2: realized the thirtieth anniversary of the X Files.

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Speaker 3: Oh, which makes me feel very old, but in a

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, I'm glad for that. And so I was

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Speaker 3: You've done a couple on purpose, like you did one

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, and we will talk about that a little bit.

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Speaker 1: But it just kept coming up, and I was so

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Speaker 2: I was so interested in why it is that I'm

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Speaker 3: And as your listeners probably know, you're not talking about

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Speaker 2: The shipping so, Samantha, I love you.

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Speaker 1: Oh geez. She was like, what are we talking about

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Speaker 1: This thirtieth anniversary.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I Also, Samantha made it very clear that we

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Speaker 2: Let's just I feel like sometimes do you ever feel

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Speaker 3: I yes, I feel that exact way about the X Files. Okay, great,

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Speaker 2: That would take way too long and that's not really

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Speaker 3: Great, short, perfect, Yeah, let's ground ourselves in reality before

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Speaker 1: Love it. The truth is out there.

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Speaker 2: The X Files is a sci fi paranormal television show

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Speaker 2: that debuted in nineteen ninety three, and it follows the

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Speaker 2: Danas Scully played by Jillian Anderson, their FBI agents that

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Speaker 2: a catch all for weird paranori one strange cases that

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Speaker 2: pretty much know when else what Molder wants to work on.

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Speaker 1: Would you add anything else to that description?

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Speaker 3: His nickname around uh the FBI campus is Spooky Fuss

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Speaker 3: Yes, uh and yeah, and then Scully gets called a Dana.

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Speaker 1: Right, That's how it starts. She's supposed to be the

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Speaker 2: And again, if this was a different episode, we could

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Speaker 2: But when this came out, I read a lot of

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Speaker 3: Even the creator, Chris Carter, definitely didn't think it was

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Speaker 3: So if you've ever thought that the mythark, if you're

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Speaker 2: Also Carter said he didn't want romance between Molder and Scully.

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Speaker 1: Lauren is here to help me.

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Speaker 3: Well, okay, so I've I haven't watched past season six

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Speaker 3: In a way that only like an eleven year old

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Speaker 2: It was and it resonated with a lot of people,

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Speaker 1: And we're not alone because that there is essays.

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Speaker 1: Come on.

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Speaker 1: I know she made them look very sharp. Oh she did.

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Speaker 1: It's all right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when you love something so much and then its

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Speaker 1: It's sad. I hear you. I watched all of it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I love Robert Patrick, who played agent Doggett,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but one of the big things I do

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Speaker 3: while she was Alien abducted back in season two during

445
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 3: the episodes Duanne Barry and Ascension, which are two of

446
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 3: the episodes that I just watched.

447
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, research this is like extra nerdy for me.

448
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 1: I love it. You're in a place.

449
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 3: But but but right, the whole abduction thing was written

450
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 3: in because Jillian Anderson was pregnant in real life and

451
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 3: she had to go have a baby. And the episodes

452
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,439
Speaker 3: leading up to this, like her coats keep getting bigger,

453
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 3: and like her costumes keep getting billowyer and like yeah,

454
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 3: and then and then she had she she goes, she

455
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 3: has the baby. She's off the show for like maybe

456
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,439
Speaker 3: like one episode, and then she comes back and you know,

457
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 3: the plot of this is that she's coming back from

458
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 3: being from having disappeared for a period of time, and

459
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 3: she's like lying in a hospital and I swear to heck,

460
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 3: they must have like built up her boobs to like

461
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 3: hide the pregnancy stomach, like and because because she's a

462
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 3: slight little lady.

463
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and those booms are huge. I mean it could

464
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: be it could be her milk could come in.

465
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:19,360
Speaker 4: I'm not sure.

466
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 3: I wasn't there, but it definitely looked hilarious. Okay, anyway,

467
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 3: uh yeah, so so so right, So they bring in

468
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 3: this this this plotterarc in season five, it turns out

469
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 3: that the baby had been adopted out, and then I

470
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 3: think the child died shortly after that. Scully is at

471
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 3: the time pronounced infertile, but then definitely has a baby

472
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 3: in season eight, some kind of like miracle baby that

473
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 3: I guess has psychic powers.

474
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 4: I didn't watch that part.

475
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 1: I don't know.

476
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 2: I guess it's I guess it's Moulder's child. I thought

477
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 2: it was, but then I thought it was an alien chap.

478
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 1: Maybe it's all.

479
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 4: Maybe it's both. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, she

480
00:25:59,240 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 4: has that.

481
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 3: Smalls be the alien thing going on, so she could

482
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 3: have weird DNA in there.

483
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know her life. That's true.

484
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 2: I actually am fascinated and I want to come back

485
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 2: to at some point the depiction of pregnancy and horror.

486
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, I love this.

487
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 2: I love this.

488
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 3: I will come back and talk about this literally anytime.

489
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 3: I love so much that, like the one admittance that

490
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 3: we get from dudes in Hollywood that being female might

491
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,719
Speaker 3: suck is all of these horror pregnancy tropes.

492
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, anyway, in every.

493
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 2: Horror you're like, oh you're pregnant, Oh no, oh no.

494
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,120
Speaker 3: Or when like a dude is pregnant in whatever way,

495
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 3: like an alien or something like that.

496
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 4: How completely horrifying it.

497
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 2: It's horrifying trade Yes, exactly, exactly. Well another day, Yeah,

498
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 2: something else you mentioned that I uh didn't pick up

499
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,919
Speaker 2: on when I was watching this is how Scully is

500
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 2: kind of depicted as a foil.

501
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 1: There's other women that.

502
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so okay, So so like the principal cast

503
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 3: of the show is really like Scully and a bunch

504
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 3: of dudes. It's basically all dudes and Scully, but like

505
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 3: like there's there's lady characters in like episode to episode,

506
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 3: and and I remember them all being you know, if

507
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 3: anyone has watched more of it more more recently than me,

508
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 3: like check me if I'm wrong, but I remember them

509
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 3: always being written as like people like imagine that.

510
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 1: Like whoa I know, right?

511
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 4: You know, like occasionally.

512
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 3: Episodes would be centered around yeah, like like using speculative

513
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 3: fiction to create metaphors around lady issues of one kind

514
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 3: or another, which we're probably a little bit too on

515
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 3: the nose.

516
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,719
Speaker 4: But yeah, but that's okay. Uh certainly.

517
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 3: One one standout side random lady character for me is

518
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 3: doctor Banby Barrenbaum, the name alone, who is an entomologist. Okay,

519
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 3: I'm saying the right one. It's bugs, not words. Yeah, entomologist.

520
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 3: Y's great and yeah she her parents were both naturalists.

521
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 3: That's why she has the name Bamby. Oh okay, okay,

522
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 3: but she is this lovely, kind of bucksome woman who

523
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 3: Molder meets in one of my favorite episodes, Where Are

524
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 3: the Copper Pages in season three, and he has he's

525
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 3: he has a total crush on her. He's like, goofy, yeah,

526
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 3: oh yeah, the whole thing, the whole thing, and she's

527
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 3: talking about cockroaches and he hates bugs and like so

528
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,959
Speaker 3: it's very funny but like but like also, like Scully

529
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 3: is like trying to get a hold of him while

530
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 3: he's trying to get his game on, and at one

531
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 3: point he just answers the phone and goes like not

532
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 3: now and.

533
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: Hangs it right back. Oh my good.

534
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 3: So when Scully finally meets her, like Scully is very snippy,

535
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 3: which which I didn't which I get was like funny,

536
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 3: but I don't appreciate the writing if I hate the

537
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 3: trope of like ladies hate other ladies, especially when there's

538
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 3: a love interest possibly involved, right, especially because they were

539
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 3: not even in a relationship at that point except in

540
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 3: my mind.

541
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 2: Right, oh my gosh, we're gonna talk about this in

542
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 2: the shipping part.

543
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: But I feel like that's yeah, that's what are you

544
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: doing at that point? Right? Yeah, come on?

545
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 3: But that was that was the thing, Like, like that

546
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 3: I was certainly noticing going back through, Like they start

547
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 3: acting like an old married couple pretty much immediately, and

548
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 3: certainly when she gets abducted in season two, like it

549
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 3: is clear that Mulder would kill or die for this lady,

550
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 3: Like he is just completely it's sort of like a

551
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 3: Zara fl In Crowley and uh yeah.

552
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah that's so again, Lauren.

553
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 2: You I'm so glad you're here because you're bringing such

554
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 2: knowledge to it, because I, like I said, I don't

555
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 2: want listends will be hearing me and be like, well,

556
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 2: she doesn't know anything about this. I didn't watch it all,

557
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 2: but I think I was just too young, oh sure

558
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 2: to pick up on a lot of it.

559
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: But that is definitely interesting that they were already.

560
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 2: Especially since Chris Carter, as we already said, was saying

561
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 2: I didn't want a romantic relationship, and then it seems.

562
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, it's also like it's so difficult to.

563
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 3: You know, you have two attractive people together, and I

564
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 3: think the the reaction is like, oh, they're in a relationship. Yeah,

565
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 3: especially if it's if it's two people who are supposed

566
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 3: who are like attracted to that sex, a person right

567
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 3: for that gender, yeah, right, and so like so like,

568
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 3: part of it is just that we have so few

569
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 3: examples in media of people who aren't in relationships, So

570
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 3: people who are just friends and who that is a

571
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 3: sustained life, long term friendship, yes, which is worked. That

572
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 3: is completely silly. That happens in real life so many times.

573
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And I've been talking about this too, because

574
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 2: since I'm not into romance, I identify as grace sexually a sexual.

575
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 2: I don't know why I'm always looking for romance and

576
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 2: stuff like why is this happening?

577
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: I don't even like it.

578
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it feels like we've made it into a

579
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 2: more important relationship absolutely than a friendship, and that should

580
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 2: be it shouldn't know, but oh my goodness, that we're

581
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 2: almost getting to the shipping. Part of this we Are

582
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 2: we Are we Are.

583
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 3: One other lady that I wanted to point out from

584
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 3: the show is starting in season four, there was a

585
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 3: lady informant. We had previously had a deep Roat and

586
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 3: mister X, and now this lady informant came in.

587
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 4: By the name of Marita.

588
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 3: Core core cor Corvit nikes, yes that's her name.

589
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: It's Russian.

590
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 3: But she was just like very ice cream stereotype and

591
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,479
Speaker 3: so and so. She was also in contrast with Scully

592
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 3: being so much goofier and warmer and like, yeah, fans

593
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 3: hated her, hated or.

594
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, well this is I mean, going back to your point,

595
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 2: is she's the only woman in the show. I feel

596
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 2: like every other woman that comes on is going to

597
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 2: be pitted against her totally, which is we've talked about

598
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 2: that before. It shouldn't be the case that like there's

599
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 2: one spot and then everyone everyone has an enemy of Yeah.

600
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah, Like if your entire principal cast is white

601
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 3: and then you necessarily only have room for black people

602
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 3: to be villains, and it's just like that.

603
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 2: Is so wrong. Why is this a thing?

604
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: Yes, Supernatural and Buffy, what the heck were you doing? Anyway, Yes, anyway.

605
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 2: One of the reasons I really wanted to talk about

606
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 2: this is because since it's the thirtieth anniversary, there have

607
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 2: been a lot of headlines about how the X Files

608
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 2: shaped the Internet.

609
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, and this is actually not a thing that

610
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 3: I realized until you, until you brought it to my attention.

611
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: Yes, and it's wild how much of an impact it had.

612
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 2: And again, as I said, with fan fiction, this is

613
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 2: a this is a space that has a lot of women,

614
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 2: a lot of queer people, a lot of marginalized.

615
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: People in it because.

616
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 2: Perhaps they're not represented and the thing they're watching or

617
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 2: the thing they're enjoying. So I wanted to go into

618
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 2: a couple of those things and talk about our maybe

619
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 2: experiences with that. But one of the big things is

620
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 2: communities like fan communities online. And when the show came

621
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 2: out in nineteen ninety three, that was when a lot

622
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 2: of us in the United States were getting access to

623
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 2: the Internet regularly for the first time.

624
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:13,479
Speaker 1: It might not have been good.

625
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 4: Oh no, no, no, no.

626
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 3: That that was definitely during dialogs. Oh yeah, that that

627
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 3: modem sound lives in my brain forever.

628
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh my gosh, it's the sound of nightmares. Younger listeners.

629
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: You don't know, you don't even know.

630
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 2: But the interesting thing too, I was thinking about this

631
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 2: is that kind of dovetails with how.

632
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: I feel like the.

633
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 2: Internet allowed a lot of these like here's this picture

634
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 2: of bickfoot, here's this like oh shure. It kind of

635
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 2: proliferated a lot of things that the X files was

636
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 2: talking about.

637
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, and I mean and right right, it really

638
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 3: made possible because previous to that, like anyone who is

639
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 3: who was talking about those kind of mysteries and real

640
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 3: world lore and fringe theories like had do it by

641
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 3: zine and in like mail and you know, and so

642
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 3: you might you might write letters back and forth. But

643
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 3: the Internet let people connect like that. It did, I

644
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 3: mean not instantly, like you had to go make a

645
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 3: cup of coffee while page loaded, but I would take a.

646
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 1: Shower thirty minutes later. It might beloaded, who.

647
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 2: Knows, but yeah, it really did. And that is part

648
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 2: of what shaped our Internet as it is. So people

649
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 2: who loved the x files called themselves x files p

650
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 2: h I.

651
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 3: L e yep, yep. That is a moniker that I

652
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 3: self identified by.

653
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, yeah to hear about jeez.

654
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 2: So here's the quote from CNN about this. Oh my gosh, Yes,

655
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 2: NN wrote about it. The show's peak popularity in the

656
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 2: mid to late nineties coincided with the prolifer use of

657
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 2: the Internet, where fans self proclaimed X Files gathered to

658
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 2: debate theories and behind the scenes gossip while posting fan fiction,

659
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 2: fan art and more.

660
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 4: Oh wow, this is from a twenty twenty three article. Yes,

661
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 4: this is from like recently.

662
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 1: Yes, wow, I'm telling you, Lauren, there's no reason we're talking.

663
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 4: About that's great.

664
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, and yeah, like like in addition to I really

665
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 3: do think it it dovetailed with the Internet because the

666
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 3: show lent itself to fandom so much, because it raised

667
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 3: so many questions and did involve all of these mysteries

668
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 3: and little pieces of lore and bits of conspiracy, and you.

669
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 4: Know, like it was a little.

670
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 3: Less niche and and sexier than other nerd dramas of

671
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 3: the era, like like Star Trek. The next generation, like

672
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 3: people who would not be caught dead watching Star Trek right,

673
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 3: thought X Files was cool.

674
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 2: Right, And I think part of that was maybe they'll

675
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: get together.

676
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, which.

677
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 2: Leza's defand fiction. As you know, I love to talk

678
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 2: about listeners.

679
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: I am shocked.

680
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 2: I never read X Files fan fiction. Really, Oh wow,

681
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 2: you know what I started on? Oh god, wow, Wow

682
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 2: you are younger than great. That's bonkers.

683
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

684
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 3: I was probably like Sailor Moon and the X Files

685
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 3: were two of my earliest Like, was.

686
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: There some good X Files fans? No? But it filled me?

687
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: It did?

688
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 2: It?

689
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 4: Did? I definitely.

690
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 3: I don't think I ever wrote any particularly like I.

691
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 3: I did write a class assignment like that featured Molder

692
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 3: because you had to like describe someone in details, so

693
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 3: and I was like, I can do that and it's

694
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 3: not a real person.

695
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna insult anybody. That's great.

696
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, yeah, I wasn't into the writing.

697
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: Part at that point.

698
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 2: Okay, I should check it out because it's I'm sure

699
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 2: still there.

700
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: I'm positive it is and the community is still there.

701
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 2: I wrote a lorther Rings fan fiction and I had

702
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 2: a friend read it and she was like they kissed

703
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 2: for four minutes.

704
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: I was like, is that no normal? She's like no,

705
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: And then I didn't post it.

706
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 2: No.

707
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: It was.

708
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 3: Well, I'm sorry that you were discouraged, but I'm glad

709
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 3: that it was for good reasons.

710
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

711
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just love that she was like, no, yeah.

712
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 3: I mean but but like definitely, I yes, Like I

713
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 3: it was clear to me and all of my friends

714
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 3: that Moulder and Scully wanted.

715
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 4: We're yeah, we're gonna get together. We're gonna get together.

716
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

717
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 4: I was rooting for it for a very long time

718
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 4: until it happened.

719
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: Then I was mad, Oh, I can't wait to talk

720
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:04,439
Speaker 1: about it. Yes.

721
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 2: So my friend who discouraged me from posting this fan fiction,

722
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 2: she also was a huge She was the same one

723
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 2: you've listened on the phone with.

724
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: She was like, they're going to get together. She was

725
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:15,240
Speaker 1: giving me all.

726
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 2: These clues and like see this look and all of

727
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 2: these things.

728
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, what, don't go.

729
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 2: As I've said many times, the X Files was one

730
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 2: of the first large fan fiction communities online, and it

731
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 2: was so big that the Scotland Yard investigated because they

732
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 2: thought that it was a cult and perhaps they should feed.

733
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 3: Wow, yeah, I mean sort of a cult. They did

734
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 3: not need to intervene.

735
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 4: No one knows like.

736
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 2: They looked intensely at each other, which brings us to

737
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 2: shipping at last. Yes, you can see our episode for

738
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 2: shipping we did recently for more about this, but shipping

739
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 2: or Relationshipping is what it sounds like. It can look

740
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 2: a million different ways.

741
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:20,919
Speaker 1: Anyway you can.

742
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 2: Imagine, but it's essentially putting people or peoples into a relationship.

743
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: Or not canonically.

744
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, and even in real life people.

745
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 4: Oh yes, that creeps me out.

746
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: But yes, that does happen.

747
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 2: And it involves often like fan works, fan fiction, music

748
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 2: and art, fan videos. Sure like a community around like again,

749
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 2: did you see this look or did you see this?

750
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 1: Yeah?

751
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 3: And very right and especially with the internet, very immediate

752
00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 3: and very intense.

753
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:07,240
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And they are also anti shippers. I I

754
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 2: was gonna say, or no romos, but I actually think

755
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 2: they're different. Okay, So anti shippers, I would say, are

756
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 2: somebody who are like I don't want this ship to

757
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 2: happen and I hate this ship.

758
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: I would say, No, romos are more like I just.

759
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 2: Don't want romance. Okay, all right, that's my experience again.

760
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 2: You can listen to our shipping episode where we talked

761
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 2: about how that went really wrong on Tumblr. But uh

762
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 2: oh yeah, but the in either case, they can be

763
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 2: just as passionate as shippers and like, I really don't

764
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,879
Speaker 2: want this to happen. And some of the earliest online

765
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 2: no Romos felt like they lost when Molder and Scully

766
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 2: their relationship became canon.

767
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: They were like, oh this war, yeah, we have a.

768
00:41:55,000 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 4: I have been defeated by their smooches. Yeah.

769
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. As it turns out, like I guess, I just

770
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 3: wanted the unresolved sexual tension. Yes, that's what I does.

771
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 3: That's what I enjoyed. I didn't actually want it to

772
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 3: happen on the show.

773
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: I liked.

774
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 4: I liked the.

775
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 2: Tension, right, So I talked about this in our shipping episode.

776
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 2: Sometimes I think you can ship something, but by shipping it,

777
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 2: you don't actually want it to ever happen, right, You

778
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 2: kind of just.

779
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: Like the idea of what it might be.

780
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 2: Yeah.

781
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 4: Absolutely, mm hmm.

782
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 2: And also there are plenty of examples of yes, when

783
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 2: the ship becomes canon, it did not go how you

784
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:35,439
Speaker 2: it too?

785
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: Oh?

786
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 4: Oh that too, that too?

787
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 3: Absolutely like, which is one of the purposes of fan

788
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 3: fiction is to you know, like create something that that

789
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 3: that the way that you would do it. And once

790
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 3: once you've done that, then you can be setting yourself

791
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 3: up for failure in terms of like what actually comes

792
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 3: next and what the creators choose to.

793
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: Do, right exactly.

794
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 2: And I would also say there are, and I would

795
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 2: put myself in this category. They're multi shippers, like I

796
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,919
Speaker 2: could just ship like oh yeah, sure them, Yeah great,

797
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 2: sounds nice.

798
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 4: Yeah right, that's fun. Yeah yeah.

799
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 3: I don't have a particular attachment a lot of the time, right,

800
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 3: in particular, especially in like a like a team up

801
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 3: kind of thing, like like an Avengers Universe kind of

802
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 3: thing like that, I'm like, yeah, sure, whatever, let's.

803
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: See like in a relationship. Yeah cool, But I don't

804
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: ever want it to happen. Usually, I'm just kind of

805
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 1: like I'm interested.

806
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 3: Yeah right, right, you could read it that way, you

807
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 3: can read it this other way.

808
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 4: Interesting. It's like a fun little science experiment, right, It's.

809
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 1: Just like that's going to go. Yeah. But it is

810
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 1: interesting with the show like X Files, where you do

811
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 1: have like.

812
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 2: In a very heteronormative sense, like this attractive woman attractive man,

813
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 2: and it was like.

814
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 4: Are they are they?

815
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 3: Are they?

816
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: When? When what happened? Yeah?

817
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 4: And so right.

818
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 3: I had literally no idea that the word shipping was

819
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 3: invented with the X Files fandom.

820
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: Yes it was.

821
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 2: I didn't know that either, Like we have been doing

822
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 2: it since we've been creating entertainment, But the term shipping

823
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 2: Relationshipping was first used in nineteen ninety three in X

824
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 2: Files fandom.

825
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: And the fun part of this is it's all online.

826
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 2: You can see all these old posts. They've been archived.

827
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 3: Oh dear, that makes me suspect that probably some of

828
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 3: my very embarrassing like thirteen year old like like like

829
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 3: fan theories about stuff are out there somewhere.

830
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: The truth posts are out there.

831
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 2: Yes, oh they're great, like heck it is, I recommend

832
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 2: looking it up. But yeah, interestingly to me. Because shipping

833
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 2: has gone mainstream now people use it all the time,

834
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 2: But at this point it was viewed as something strange.

835
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 2: People did like what are you doing? You don't you

836
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 2: don't think this show was perfect. You're trying to do

837
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 2: your own thing. Oh you're not a real fans And

838
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 2: there would be email attacks, they would get harassed, like

839
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,439
Speaker 2: it was very so some of the posts you'll see

840
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 2: were like, hey, I'm doing my shipping thing, but I'm

841
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 2: not bothering you, like.

842
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, like like like you can feel

843
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 3: however you want to about it.

844
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 4: This is just how I feel.

845
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 1: Exactly, yeah yeah.

846
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 2: And even some of them said like I don't I

847
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 2: don't even want it to become a romance show that's

848
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 2: like like the last thing I want.

849
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just am kind of exploring this sure aspect

850
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: of it.

851
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just saying that they want a bone because

852
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 3: you just want.

853
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: To smush their faces.

854
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're both attractive faces that it would look nice.

855
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of exactly. I did read. I don't know

856
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: if this is true.

857
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 2: I haven't really looked into it, but I did read

858
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 2: that ust resolve sexual tension, as you said, was also

859
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 2: from X files. I also heard ms R Molder Scully romance.

860
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: Was the whole term.

861
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 4: Okay, I don't remember that one, but sure.

862
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 2: And then I want to read this quote again from CNN.

863
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 2: But there's no denying how much the online discourse revolved

864
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 2: around the Molder and Scully pairing, whether it involved shippers

865
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 2: and no Romo's good naturally good nature really, or in

866
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:33,720
Speaker 2: all seriousness flaming each other in online forums or Molder

867
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 2: slash Scully fan fiction. Are fan videos set to schmaltzy

868
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 2: love song Oh yeah, yes, oh yeah, oh dear fan

869
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,240
Speaker 2: videos man fan video.

870
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: Oh. I would watch them when I was younger.

871
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 2: I like the proof I needed, but I also forgot

872
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 2: about flaming.

873
00:46:52,520 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: Yep. Ye oh yes, all right, well, well we're going

874
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: to get into the impact.

875
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 2: But again, just so you know, if you're hearing anything

876
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 2: around us, you are listening to stuff I've never told you.

877
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: With Lauren Vogelbaum guest host.

878
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 2: Thank You so Much, live at the iHeart Podcast Studio

879
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 2: powered by Bows at the House of Music at iHeartRadio

880
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 2: Music Festival. It's fun to be talking about the X

881
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 2: Files with all of this going on outside. I wish

882
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 2: we could showcase what's happening.

883
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty wild. There's just people walking by and

884
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 3: kind of kind of kind of waving or just sort

885
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 3: of staring, being a little bit confused that Yeah, I'm

886
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 3: just talking about my fanfic feels about Moldern Scully. It

887
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 3: feels right, yeah, sure, why yeah we are.

888
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 1: We are the in the nineties, the weirdos that are

889
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 1: quarantined from people going to do other things. Oh heck,

890
00:47:59,120 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 1: thank you, Wed.

891
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 2: We did want to talk about the impact that this

892
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: show had and Scully had.

893
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,919
Speaker 3: Oh sure, right, because like all right, like like when

894
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 3: X Files really in general just paved the way for

895
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 3: other genre fiction in television, like it did dovetail with

896
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,399
Speaker 3: the launch of the Sci Fi Channel in nineteen ninety two.

897
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 3: But like without X Files, I don't think we would

898
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 3: have had Lost or Buffy or certainly Fringe or Supernatural

899
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 3: or like Rick and Morty or you know.

900
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: On and on.

901
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 3: It kind of created its own genre of what we

902
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,240
Speaker 3: were talking about earlier, of like long running TV series

903
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 3: that have main recurring characters and like an overall plot

904
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 3: arc ish, but are also allowed to play from episode

905
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 3: to episode within the broader realm of what genre fiction

906
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 3: is or what it can be. And yeah, like like

907
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 3: even in the same episode, sometimes bouncing from horror to

908
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 3: mystery to drama to comedy.

909
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you haven't watched this listeners like some

910
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 2: of the episode, they'll stay with you.

911
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, some of them are very hecking upsetting.

912
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 3: I did not watch Home Ever again, Yes, that.

913
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: One's well, yeah, we talked about that one. Did the

914
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 1: Bridget episode?

915
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 3: Right? I think I might have watched it like one

916
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 3: other time. I was like maybe maybe, Nope, still very upsetting. Nope,

917
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 3: still don't like that.

918
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:25,959
Speaker 4: Okay cool?

919
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

920
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was one of those episodes that was like, Eh,

921
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 2: there's no supernatural part to this one.

922
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: Really just people, just people. Yeah.

923
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that episode got banned from ever being aired again.

924
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 1: Yep, sure did. Sure, but yeah, I know.

925
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 3: Like some of the some of the images and some

926
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 3: of the I still think of the There was one

927
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 3: episode where Scully got a tattoo and started tripping out

928
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 3: and like there was all of this bad stuff happening.

929
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: And I still think about that one.

930
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 2: I'm like, lol, yeah ah, and it has had. I

931
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 2: was reading a list of like all of the instances

932
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 2: The X Files has appeared in, like songs or other media,

933
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 2: and it's just it's a huge list. Had this really

934
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 2: big impact, and Scully did too. She people loved her, like,

935
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 2: she was really critically acclaimed, and she's stuck around. She

936
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 2: has a Barbie, which I love. She's always on these

937
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 2: list of iconic heroines that have often inspired other iconic

938
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 2: heroines in media, and she the legacy of her a

939
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 2: lot of people write is she encouraged a whole generation

940
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 2: of young women, of young girls to think about a

941
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 2: career in stem, whether they pursued it or not, like yeah,

942
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 2: just to think like, oh, oh yeah I want to

943
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 2: do that.

944
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 4: Yeah I can do that.

945
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 3: She's doing that so well, she's so professional and good

946
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 3: at this.

947
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 4: Job, and maybe yeah maybe I could. Yeah, why not.

948
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,959
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and let us talk about that a minute.

949
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 2: So we did do the episode with Bridget where she

950
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 2: really broke this down really well, So check that out.

951
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 2: But just just in case, since we're doing kind of

952
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 2: a like round up of all X files news place.

953
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:31,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally one place.

954
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 2: So the Scully effect is essentially something that has been

955
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 2: studied by the Gina Davis.

956
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 1: Institute, which I love.

957
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, Yes.

958
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 2: Two thousand women they surveyed, they found, quote, among the

959
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 2: women who are familiar with the character, fifty percent say

960
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,760
Speaker 2: Scully increased their interest in STEM, and forty three percent

961
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 2: say that they considered working in STEM because of her.

962
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,879
Speaker 2: Wow tint to one percent that knew of her said

963
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 2: she was a good role model and it was great

964
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 2: reading the stories people wrote, and they would talk about

965
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 2: like just sitting around and watching the show with friends

966
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 2: and being like inspired, like okay, love, maybe I want

967
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:17,479
Speaker 2: to go do that.

968
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:18,720
Speaker 1: Is so cool.

969
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 4: It kind of had the opposite effect for me. I

970
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 4: was like, I definitely.

971
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 3: Couldn't do an autopsy. I could never do an autopsy

972
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 3: in my life. I'm not going to go into that one.

973
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 3: But appreciate still appreciate the role model of course.

974
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I mean, that's also fair.

975
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 2: Sometimes you got to recognize that I could do it,

976
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 2: but it's not for me. Yeah, yes, and I do

977
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 2: love When Jillian Anderson was asked about this, she said,

978
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 2: we got a lot of letters all the time, and

979
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 2: I was told quite frequently by girls who were going

980
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 2: into the medical world or the science world, or the

981
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 2: FBI world or other worlds that I reigned that they

982
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 2: were pursuing those pursuits because of the character of Scully.

983
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: And I said, Yeah, that's so sweet, isn't it. That's

984
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: really cool. I love it so much.

985
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 2: Oh oh, and that's the that's the importance of representation.

986
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,879
Speaker 2: Representation isn't everything, but it is important. Like if you're

987
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 2: watching something as a kid at three am, your huddles

988
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 2: in front of the TV and you're like, oh, I

989
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 2: want to be like her. Oh I could do it, Yeah,

990
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 2: she can do it. Like that's important.

991
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 3: It is absolutely absoluecondently, more of that, more of that place.

992
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, but this brings us to our final note.

993
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 2: And I wanted to put this in here because I

994
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 2: love it, but also because Samantha did threaten me if

995
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 2: I don't talk about the book. We do mention Scully's

996
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 2: pants suits in the Okay, okay, yes, so one thing

997
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 2: people love about this character are her pant suits. Oh yeah,

998
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 2: are tumblers just kind that's amazing.

999
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 4: I'm so proud of the Internet for that. That's beautiful.

1000
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,919
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, So okay, So if you're if you're unfamiliar

1001
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 3: with the show, she was always wearing or most of

1002
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 3: the time, like her professional business attire was these big suits,

1003
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 3: like these big puffy suit jackets and long trench coats

1004
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 3: and tapered pants and and that evolved over time as

1005
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 3: style evolved. But yeah, certainly in the beginning in nineteen

1006
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 3: ninety three, it was that very boxy concept of the

1007
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 3: early nineties. And then as third wave feminism really hit

1008
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 3: pop culture and we started getting you know, the the

1009
00:54:56,440 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 3: Buffy Summers and the share Horwitzes and the Spice girls

1010
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 3: of the world, then you know, like like outfits started changing,

1011
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 3: and business attire for women started becoming hyper feminine in

1012
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 3: some ways, and like certainly more sleek but less based

1013
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 3: on men's wear and less.

1014
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: Giant shoulder pads.

1015
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 2: Right yeah, right, And you can see her the profile

1016
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:26,439
Speaker 2: we did on Danas Scully for more about that, because

1017
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 2: I do love talking about her pants. Suits, but they

1018
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 2: are very popularly. A lot of people call it competence

1019
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 2: core yea. And you can trace kind of what you

1020
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 2: were talking about, how her costuming changed, and there is

1021
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 2: an interesting narrative.

1022
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 1: Of like.

1023
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:48,760
Speaker 2: Fitting into a male space by wearing more male clothes.

1024
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 1: And then more traditionally male clothes and.

1025
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,479
Speaker 2: Then moving away from that and what does that mean?

1026
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 2: But it is fascinating. I'm a big let's talk about

1027
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 2: costuming person.

1028
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

1029
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 3: And and and as a character too, you know, like

1030
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 3: like she's going through all of these changes and she's

1031
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 3: getting a lot more.

1032
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 4: She kind of rediscovers herself throughout the course of the show.

1033
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 3: And and what she wants that to be and what

1034
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 3: that can be.

1035
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 2: Right, I have the most epic shoulder pad.

1036
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: It's a dress suit. It's not a pants suit. Okay,

1037
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: I think it's my mom's, but it might be one

1038
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: of her sisters. Okay, but it's it's magenta, and it has.

1039
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 2: Roses like embroidered, and it is the most like feminine

1040
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 2: business power dress suit.

1041
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 1: Wow, you can imagine. And I still have it because

1042
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: you do love it.

1043
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 3: You should never let that go. That's that sounds beautiful

1044
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 3: and very intense at the.

1045
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:05,240
Speaker 1: Same time word it adds like shower. Yeah, okay, for sure.

1046
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 3: So I graduated high school in the year two thousand

1047
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 3: and while this show was still very much a thing,

1048
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 3: and for sure, the like interview suit that I went

1049
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 3: out and bought was a double breasted pinstripe suit.

1050
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: Yes, with it's a Scully suit.

1051
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 4: That's what it is.

1052
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: That's just what coplay. Yeah.

1053
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, yeah.

1054
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1055
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 3: And I've I've never I've never actually done a Skully

1056
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 3: like a full Scully cosplay, but the suit's right there.

1057
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 2: I mean, I know, and we talked about, well, I

1058
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 2: said I might cosplay as Scully, and then I just

1059
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 2: did it. Right.

1060
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1061
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 4: I was so sad when I heard that.

1062
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm going to show up to this

1063
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 2: and then I was like, but my backpack is minutes

1064
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 2: from breaking, which it really is.

1065
00:57:55,360 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 3: But yeah maybe maybe someday. Yeah, and we can always

1066
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 3: just casual cosplay some Skully like men. We could just

1067
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 3: show up to the next like work meeting or whatever.

1068
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:07,479
Speaker 3: It is, like it both in our.

1069
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 1: See if anyone realizes what it is. I love that game.

1070
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're good at that game.

1071
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: I am good at that game. It's a strange sense

1072
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: of accomplishment when no one realizes it. Sure, then it's

1073
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 1: also like appreciation when someone does. It's a strange totally

1074
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: am well.

1075
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 2: Any closing thoughts on The Wildford.

1076
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 4: You know, uh, it gave us the gift of Jillian Anderson.

1077
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 3: She did write and direct an episode in one of

1078
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 3: the later seasons, I want to say season.

1079
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: Eight ish maybe, And.

1080
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 3: You know, like, I'm so glad that she's been able

1081
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 3: to have a lovely career, and because I enjoy watching her.

1082
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 3: It's so fun whenever she's in anything. Yeah, and her

1083
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 3: British accent is so on point. I think you guys

1084
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 3: talked about that too, and yeah, yeah, I like, what

1085
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:12,959
Speaker 3: a what a weird thirty years ago? That's fine, that's great,

1086
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 3: that's great, that's fine.

1087
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of things Jurassic Park as well. Oh wow, heck,

1088
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 2: which I also got troubled for watching.

1089
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: This was a risky year for me.

1090
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of groundings happened, I heard.

1091
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think it's.

1092
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 2: It's fascinating to look back at the impact it's had,

1093
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 2: especially now, and we didn't know what the Internet was

1094
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 2: going to be. We know it was going to become

1095
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 2: this thing, and the creators didn't know. We didn't know

1096
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 2: The X Files was going to be such a big

1097
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 2: part of that, and how much it did impact fan

1098
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 2: communities who are largely women. And then like the Scully

1099
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 2: the Scully effect.

1100
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: Keully effect. That's amazing, that's so cool.

1101
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 3: That is that is the coolest thing about this weird

1102
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 3: genre television show from the nineteen nineties.

1103
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 2: I would love to hear from listeners if you haven't

1104
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 2: watched it.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, go and watch it and let us

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Speaker 1: know what you think.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yeah, let us let us know maybe maybe

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Speaker 3: maybe do it in two parts, like, let us know

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Speaker 3: what you think it's going to be based on this episode.

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Speaker 3: If you've got all the way through this episode having

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Speaker 3: no I have never watched it, yes, and then the

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Speaker 3: after the after.

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Speaker 1: Yes, oh my gosh. If anyone wants to just like

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Speaker 1: constantly update, it's like, what.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry, I've just given you homework. But yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: that that would be fabulous.

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Speaker 1: It's great homework though very fun. It is good home well.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, thank you so much, Lauren for

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Speaker 2: guesting on this. This was so fun and what thank

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Speaker 2: you so much for having me. Oh, of course in

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Speaker 2: this wild environment. We're gonna try to get some pictures. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty weird, yeah but lovely. Thanks so much to

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Speaker 3: iHeart and de Vos for having us here.

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Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely absolutely.

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Speaker 2: If you want to let us know about your X

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Speaker 2: files watching, yes you can. You can email us at

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Speaker 2: Stephanie mom Stuff at iHeartMedia dot com. You can find

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Speaker 2: us on Twitter at mom Stuff podcast, or on Instagram

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Speaker 2: and TikTok at stuff When Never Told You.

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Speaker 2: Store, and we do have a book, ohware, we talk

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Speaker 2: about Dana Scully. You can get it at stuff you

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Speaker 2: should read books dot com. Thanks as always to our

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Speaker 2: super producer Christina, our executive pruser Maya, and our contributor Joey.

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Speaker 1: And special thanks.

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Speaker 2: To Paul who is here helping us out friend of

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Speaker 2: the show at this event, and thanks to you for listening.

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