1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Wednesday edition Clay Travis Buck 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. 4 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: We've got a lot to dive into today. Buck and 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: I were down in Tallahassee yesterday for Rod DeSantis's inauguration. 6 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: That is certainly one of the big positives to come 7 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: out of the twenty twenty two elections. But the fallout 8 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty two election in the House of 9 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: Representatives is ongoing. As we move throughout the course of 10 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: today's program, we are likely to get further drama as 11 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: it pertains to Kevin McCarthy's quest to become the Speaker 12 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: of the House. The positive is Nancy Pelosi is gone. 13 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: She will never return as the Speaker of the House 14 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: for any of our lives. I think, Buck, I think 15 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: that that's almost impossible that. So what now is going 16 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 1: to happen is there are about twenty House Republicans who 17 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: are essentially saying we will not support Kevin McCarthy's bid 18 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: for speaker. He can only lose five House Republicans. He 19 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: lost three votes yesterday. By the third vote the number 20 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: had moved from nineteen to twenty. Late last night and 21 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: early this morning, Donald Trump continued to support Kevin McCarthy's 22 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: bid for speaker. But right now, as we are beginning 23 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 1: the program, there is uncertainty as to what may happen 24 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: in the House. There could be a fourth vote, Buck, 25 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 1: almost certainly, which Kevin McCarthy would lose, and then theoretically 26 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 1: that would continue to devalue his ability to put together 27 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: a governing coalition to get to to eighteen. There are 28 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:55,639 Speaker 1: also reports that there are Democrats may be maneuvering behind 29 00:01:55,760 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: the scenes to potentially try and put something together as well. Now, Buck, 30 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: you and I talked about yesterday. The nuclear sort of 31 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 1: scenario here is the nineteen or twenty House Republicans refuse 32 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: to support McCarthy, McCarthy refuses to step down, and then 33 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: some small number of House Republicans decide they're going to 34 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: caucus with the Democrats for purposes of Hakim Jeffreys ending up. 35 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: That's the nuclear on both sides. The other possibility here 36 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 1: is maybe some Democrats end up coalescing around a more 37 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: moderate Republican. There's some sort of agreement to share power 38 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 1: like we saw in the Senate and the House majority 39 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: that is in control of Republicans is not as strong 40 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: as it otherwise would be. That is the absolute latest. 41 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: And for people out there who may not care that 42 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: much about who the Speaker of the House is, I 43 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 1: certainly understand that because you're frustrated with Republicans in general. 44 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: But this is a dramatic scenario that hasn't played out 45 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: in ae hundred years. Buck, you mentioned nuclear. If they 46 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: allow a Democrat to become Speaker of the House, that's 47 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:09,519 Speaker 1: nuclear meltdown right. That that is political Chernobyl, that is 48 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: a nightmare. And I do think that there's enough of 49 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: an understanding among even the holdouts, and they're they're saying 50 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: very clearly the people who I guess now it's up 51 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,239 Speaker 1: to twenty votes on the Republican side against McCarthy, and 52 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: we know the fourth House speaker vote could begin at 53 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: any moment. As we're talking to all of you across 54 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: the country. I have to say Donald Trump was right 55 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: here when he put out this statement. I think this 56 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: was just when did this go up? Yeah, this was 57 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: just posted on truth Social. Some really good conversations took 58 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: place last night. It's time for all of our great 59 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: Republican House members to vote for Kevin, close the deal, 60 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: take the victory, and watch crazy Nancy Pelosi fly back 61 00:03:56,120 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: home to a very broken California, the only speaker US 62 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: history to have lost the House twice. Republicans do not 63 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: turn a great triumph into a giant and embarrassing defeat. 64 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: It's time to celebrate. You deserve it. Kevin McCarthy will 65 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: do a good job and maybe even a great job. 66 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: Just watch. So Trump comes in here, yea with the 67 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: endorsement of McCarthy at this phase. And you know, this 68 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 1: is why I was of the mind play, because there's 69 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 1: a lot of conversations going on behind closed doors here. 70 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: We're not fully aware of what exactly is being said, 71 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: if people are leaking two different members of the press 72 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: to get out their side of the story. But I 73 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: was I was thinking, all right, there's a lot of frustration, 74 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: and there's some maneuvering going on about guaranteeing subcommittee slots 75 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 1: and chairmanships for Freedom Caucus members and setting up some 76 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: kind of separate investigative investigative arm, if you will, of 77 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: Congress for the Freedom Caucus to look at issues COVID vaccines, etc. 78 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: Those conversations happening. I think I'm okay with I want 79 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: to or I was okay with I want to know, 80 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: now what is the goal and what are the costs 81 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 1: that these holdouts are willing to pay, because it is 82 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: entirely unacceptable and it is honestly lunacy to consider that 83 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: there would be a consensus or even Democrat candidate who 84 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: comes out of this. That would be a massive own goal, 85 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 1: a massive self inflicted wound. And it does start to 86 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 1: feel like and there are some members of Congress I 87 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 1: think this is more particularly apparent with it feels like 88 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: this is personal. I don't mean this is about personal politics. 89 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 1: I mean there are a few of these holdouts for 90 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: whom it's really not about the Republic or Congress or 91 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: the swamp or whatever. They don't want McCarthy. This is 92 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: not a maneuver to necessarily even focus on who will 93 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: be the speaker, because they don't Jim Jordan. They're voting 94 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 1: for Jim Jordan says I don't want to be the speaker, 95 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 1: So that's not a good that's not a good option play. 96 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 1: I think they've turned into the never Kevin Caucus, and 97 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 1: I want to know why that is absent a viable alternative. Yeah, 98 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: I think you're right. And for people out there structurally 99 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: to contemplate this, you basically have nineteen or twenty Republicans 100 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: staring down about two hundred Republicans right, and the staredown 101 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: is over who's going to break first because the Kevin 102 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: McCarthy contingent, Which is why I'm curious to see in 103 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: this fourth vote, are there more people who decide, Hey, 104 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy doesn't have the votes, it's time to move on. 105 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: But this is an intractable a debate here where I 106 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 1: don't believe that either side can negotiate their way to 107 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: a win. The eighteen to twenty, whatever number you want 108 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: to put on it. The twenty was the most recent 109 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: vote of people who are opposed to Kevin McCarthy are 110 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: so locked in opposed to him that they're not going 111 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 1: to acquiesce. And then the question becomes, Okay, are the 112 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: two hundred or so that are committed to Kevin McCarthy, 113 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: are they so strongly committed that they're going to continue 114 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: to stare down? And that's why I asked the question Buck, 115 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: we could have a multi month scenario here where there 116 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: is no resolution in theory, because the House doesn't have 117 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: anything that they have to do from a constitutional basis 118 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: that would mean that they have to be there. Now. 119 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: It's embarrassing, it doesn't look good for Republicans, but I 120 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: tend to think most people aren't really paying that much 121 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: attention to the selection of the speaker, so I don't 122 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: know that there's a major political cost right now. I 123 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: also think that there's a difference between standing up to 124 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: the machine and sabotaging your own machinery, and this group 125 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: of holdouts needs to be very careful that they're doing 126 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: the former and not the latter, right that they have 127 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: to understand what the long term implications of this might 128 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: be for the GOP. I mean, you mentioned where we're 129 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: heading here as a process. Everyone is now is now 130 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: looking at the history books and yeah, this hasn't happened 131 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: since nineteen twenty three. We mentioned that yesterday. It's only 132 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: happened fourteen times a history of the Republic. Thirteen of 133 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: those are before the Civil War, and I think it 134 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: was one in the eighteen fifties that this stretched on 135 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: for months. So what exactly would be the win if 136 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: this did stretch on for months and you have to 137 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: look at this with Kevin McCarthy, what is the benefit 138 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 1: for him of standing down, Like if he has to, 139 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: he has two hundred people who are Republicans have already 140 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: voted for him, he is going to look weak. And 141 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to think of this from to do 142 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 1: some mirror imaging right from his side of the negotiating table. 143 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: He's going to back down because this small group of 144 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: Republican congressmen and women say that they don't want him, 145 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 1: two hundreds say they do want him. This starts to feel, 146 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: you know, is this tactis or tantrum? And we need 147 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: to have clarity on which one this falls into. Well, Also, 148 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: what is the exit ramp right in any negotiation if 149 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,719 Speaker 1: it's just not blood hate, there is a solution that 150 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: can be found at some point. It doesn't seem like 151 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: there is an exit ramp for these twenty Republicans right now. 152 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: They don't want Kevin McCarthy to be speaker. It doesn't 153 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: seem like they've negotiated anything that they can get suddenly 154 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: that's going to allow them to claim that they've achieved something. 155 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: And for Kevin McCarthy, the question is, I think, Buck, 156 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: how steadfast are the two hundred behind him, and how 157 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,079 Speaker 1: long would it take And I don't know the answer 158 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 1: of this. How long would it take for twenty or 159 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: thirty of those supporters to just say I'm just fed 160 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 1: up with this. There's not a big difference between you 161 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,559 Speaker 1: and Steve Scalise or whoever else the second option might be. So, 162 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 1: you know, we look at we're looking at the machinery 163 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,599 Speaker 1: of Congress and the steps here and the votes and 164 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 1: the phases. I do also think we could all step 165 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: back and see that there is a contest for the 166 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 1: heart and soul of the GOP that is underway right 167 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: now in different ways, in different contexts, certainly happening in Congress. 168 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 1: You have the Maga Trump of ideology within the Republican Party, 169 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: you have establishment GOP folks, you have some rising up 170 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: and comers within the GOP ranks. And I think at 171 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 1: some level a lot of this noise that we're seeing 172 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 1: play out right now is a reflection of that fact. 173 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: You know, whose GOP is it? I know people right 174 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: now will have answers, but there isn't a clear and 175 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 1: definitive answer, And I think that's part of what's pushing 176 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,559 Speaker 1: this is that so that there's a narrative benefit to this. 177 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: At least there's a narrative that's playing out right now, 178 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: a fight of narratives. So it's not just about who's 179 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: going to be speaker the House. I think it's really 180 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,599 Speaker 1: what is the GOP for the next two years? What 181 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 1: is the messaging and the Speaker's The fight over this 182 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 1: over Speaker the House doesn't determine that, but it's I 183 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: think one piece in that overall, in that overall puzzle 184 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,319 Speaker 1: building on that. And I want everybody out there to 185 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: think about this. We come back, I'll hit you with 186 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: it and we'll debate it a little bit and discuss it. 187 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: Are you surprised at all, Buck that Trump has waited 188 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: in as aggressively as he has to support Kevin McCarthy 189 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: given where we are, because he's been I mean, I 190 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: think this is kind of an interesting political calculus for 191 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: Trump as well, in the wake of the mid terms 192 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: where things did not go well for his candidate. Coming 193 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: out as aggressively as he is now for Kevin McCarthy, 194 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,959 Speaker 1: I wonder what the political calculus is for trumpet as 195 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: this thing plays out. Let's talk about that way, because 196 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:56,599 Speaker 1: this is this goes right to the heart of it. 197 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 1: Whose gop is it right now? Yeah? And how is 198 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 1: the goop gonna fight? This is a battle in that 199 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: larger war, I think, and that's something that we will 200 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: dive into here together in a couple of minutes. Look, 201 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 1: there are some crimes that are committed that are so 202 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: obvious you can just see them with your eyes. You 203 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: know what's happened, you know who did it. But then 204 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: there are silent crimes like online identity theft. No alarms 205 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: go off, there's no security video, no witnesses. 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You 231 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: don't say from Wentz, right whatever? Whence I come, Clay? 232 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: Does that sound right? Change? I think I would say 233 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: from WINS, But I don't know this Wins anyway. Point being, 234 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: I exited that place, so I know quite a bit 235 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: about it. But there's Twitter files out. But right now 236 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: we're focused on the trench warfare phase, which I think 237 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: you can call this that going on in political terms 238 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: on Capitol Hill right now. You have people who are 239 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: fighting this out. And I would say that Trump weighing 240 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: in today as he has raises the States in a 241 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: number of ways, right because Clay to my earlier point 242 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: here about how this feels on the one hand, and 243 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: we're hearing this, you're hearing this as well, and we 244 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: don't want to make it about who's saying what about whom, 245 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: But there are personal grievances that are involved here. There 246 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: are some people that really don't like Kevin McCarthy on 247 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: a personal level, not just on a policy level, who 248 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: are involved in this rebel wing of the g OP 249 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: right now, Okay, that's one part of it, but then 250 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: there's also whose GOP is it? Donald Trump has weighed 251 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: in on the side of Kevin McCarthy. In what universe? 252 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: Now does Kevin McCarthy back down to this rebel wing 253 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: of the GOP on this issue, given that the former 254 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: president and possible future president and likeliest right now GOP 255 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: nominee has waited, you know what I'm saying on McCarthy's 256 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: side as well. It just feels to me like there's 257 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: an inevitability here that everybody sees except the holdouts. It also, 258 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: to me politically means that Kevin McCarthy has got to 259 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: be in Donald Trump's camp as steadfastly as possible for 260 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four campaign. And so when you think 261 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: about the calculus of why Trump would get involved, certainly 262 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: he can think McCarthy is the best option, and he 263 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: can like McCarthy personally, and that can all be true, 264 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: and McCarthy can well have had a good relationship with 265 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: Trump and deciduously to have that good relationship with him. 266 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: But if you're Trump and you're looking towards twenty four, 267 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: regardless of how exactly this plays out, Kevin McCarthy is 268 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: in your camp for twenty four. The other thing I 269 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: would say, though, buck, is if this does end up 270 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: falling apart, and let's say Kevin McCarthy can't get across 271 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: the finish line, Trump risks putting himself in a precarious 272 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: position on some level to come out as aggressively for 273 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy say hey, he's got my full support, and 274 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: then somebody else ends up the Speaker of the House, 275 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: and Trump is kind of out there on a line. 276 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: And this also feels like there are many layers here 277 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: that we have to look at and understand their implications. 278 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: You have a number of the most vocal Trump supporters 279 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: in Congress, that's right, part of the anti McCarthy wing, 280 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: despite the fact that Trump past now come out and said, 281 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 1: knock it off, guys and gals, Kevin's got to be 282 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: our guy at this point in time. And I would wonder, 283 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: because you know, we had people calling in yesterday and saying, 284 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 1: you know, oh, well, maybe we think it's we're tired 285 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 1: of the swamp. We want new blood, we want new people. 286 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: There there are those called there are other people calling 287 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: in saying that they think Kevin McCarthy's the guy. Now 288 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: that Trump has waited in, does that change the calculations 289 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 1: a little bit of the base. And if Trump, as 290 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: he has is so firmly in the Kevin McCarthy camp, 291 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: what does that mean for the rank and file GOP 292 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: voter at this phase. I gotta think that, And like 293 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: I said, it makes it feel as though it's an 294 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 1: inevitability that everybody sees but the holdouts. And also I'll 295 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: point out that Jim Jordan is the guy putting forward 296 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy's vote yesterday for the nomination to be Speaker 297 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: of the House, and all of these twenty voted for 298 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: Jim Jordan and said, we actually want you to be Speaker, 299 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: Jim Jordan, which I don't know if we've ever seen 300 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: that before. So there is a lot of different machinations 301 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,719 Speaker 1: in place. Is there some sort of secret consensus candidate 302 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: that could emerge. I'll continue to point that out there. 303 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 1: If McCarthy and the twenty just continue to stare each 304 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 1: other down and no one was willing to bend at all, 305 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: I'm not sure it was more excited about the reintroduction 306 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: of My Pillows best selling slippers. My wife or Mike Lindell, 307 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: She's got these things on all the time. All of 308 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: her girlfriends have them. Right now. They're only forty ninety 309 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 1: eight a pair, which is ninety dollars off the regular price. 310 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: I know a lot of you bought them for the 311 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 1: holiday season, and you should check them out yourself. 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Welcome back in Clay Travis 322 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: buck Sexton show drama continues in the last couple of minutes. 323 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 1: Chip Roy, good dude from down in Texas, has nominated 324 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: Byron Donald's another good guy from Florida. He was the 325 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: twentieth If you're this is really again, I'm not sure 326 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 1: exactly where this is all going, Buck, but if you're 327 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: paying attention, Byron Donalds was the twentieth vote on the 328 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: third ballot. They now are on to a fourth ballot 329 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: officially underway. It is not going to happen that that 330 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 1: we are going to see a victory here yet again. 331 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: And now the question is going to be how many 332 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 1: more people might break off and what does that mean 333 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 1: for Kevin McCarthy going forward? And again, Buck, this is 334 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: I don't know how long this could go on for months, 335 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: by the way, in theory, they could be on the 336 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: seventy fourth different count And I don't know when either 337 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: side would actually make the decision to break and adjust 338 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 1: the choices that they're making. But how many votes do 339 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: we need to have before one side or the other says, hey, 340 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 1: this is intractable. We're not reaching a consensus in any way. 341 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: I don't know the answer, but I feel like it 342 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: may drag on through the end of the week. Well, 343 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: so we talked a little bit yesterday about government shutdown 344 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: and how the thing about the government shutdowns is people 345 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: understand why we have done them, or why Republicans have 346 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: pushed for them in the past. They're not as catastrophic 347 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: as the media wants people to believe, but they do 348 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: always end. And most of the polling data that I've 349 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: seen could be wrong, and we know polls are imperfect. Everybody, 350 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 1: as we've found out so many times, suggest that Republicans 351 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: get the blame for the shutdown, And so it's a 352 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 1: politic even if it's principled, it's a political loser. And 353 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: when you're doing something out of principle in the political realm, 354 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 1: and you're losing power as a result, that you might 355 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,360 Speaker 1: be losing some momentum. You have to really take a long, 356 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 1: hard look at what is being accomplished with all this. 357 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 1: At this phase, it feels like there's one group that 358 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: is on the government shutdown side, so to speak, and 359 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 1: another that is saying, Okay, well let's get going, let's 360 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: get the business of government moving. And so when have 361 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: they made their case right? Like, what I'm saying is 362 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: that you always know that government's not going to stay 363 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: shut down forever. They're making a point about something and 364 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: they're negotiating over something. It seems like in this instance 365 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: the negotiations aren't really going anywhere because the one thing 366 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: that the rebels want is and I don't know what, 367 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: do we have a good name for them that they 368 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 1: like to be called. I'm not you know, I don't 369 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: want to I don't want to cast any aspersions or 370 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 1: one way or the anti squad, the anti squad whatever, Yeah, 371 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: you're the right wings squad, whatever you want to call them, 372 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: the holdouts against the anti McCarthy is m there, Anthie mccarthyites, 373 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: Anthie mccarthyites. Uh. They seem to want the one thing 374 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: that the other side obviously isn't going to budge on, 375 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: so it leaves us in the situation. Lauren Bobert, but 376 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: we both know is one of the members here who 377 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: is standing against McCarthy at this phase. Here's what she said, 378 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: because she voted for Jim Jordan's and yet she knows 379 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 1: Jim Jordan doesn't want to be speaker. Play for. Evidently 380 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 1: we're not gonna play for. We're not gonna play clips. Apparently, Okay, 381 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: clip for Lauren Bobert. We'll call him to us at 382 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 1: some point here. But the point is play well, okay, 383 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 1: we got it, play it. I'm voting for anyone who 384 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 1: actually brings unity to the Republican Party and helps get 385 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: our country back on track and to actually govern on 386 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: the things that we campaign too. Right now, our candidate 387 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 1: is Jim Jordan. This is he is a fighter, He 388 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,479 Speaker 1: is a leader. He may not want it right now, 389 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 1: but George Washington did not want to be president. He 390 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: did what was right for his country. Is the consensus 391 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 1: candidate right now, he absolutely is, And every time that 392 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: he speaks up to defend Kevin McCarthy, he actually just 393 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 1: reaffirms why he would make a great speaker. And if 394 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 1: you heard from him that he does not want it 395 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,360 Speaker 1: in any way, shape or form, what do you say. 396 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: I have heard that from him. And if we have 397 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: the numbers, then sorry, Jim Jordan, We're going to make 398 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 1: you do it's right for the country. We love you. 399 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: And so is this supposed to be like the president 400 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: James Garfield nomination style or you know style nomination for 401 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: Speaker of the House like he doesn't. He doesn't want it, 402 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,479 Speaker 1: so give it to him. Well, and for people out 403 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: there who don't follow the internal politics of the House, 404 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: and I certainly understand why that could be the case. 405 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: Jim Jordan is the leader of the House Freedom Caucus 406 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: and he is the most beloved person probably in Congress 407 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 1: of the twenty people who are voting right now against 408 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy. But Jim Jordan is trying to get Kevin 409 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: McCarthy the speakership. So they have developed a pretty good relationship. 410 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: Then I think you add on Trump, Trump and Jim 411 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: Jordan have a phenomenal relationship, and so you've got this 412 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: The calculus here that's so interesting, Buck is the people 413 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: who are most diehard in the Trump camp are directly 414 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 1: opposing what Trump and Jim Jordan would tell them to 415 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: do in favor of Kevin McCarthy. And just just for 416 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 1: the historical reference that I made back in the eighteen eighty, 417 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 1: this is the James Garfield election eighteen eighty Republican National Convention. 418 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: The delicate It's chose Garfield despite the fact that he 419 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: didn't actually seek to be president. He was a compromise nominee. 420 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 1: It took thirty six rounds of voting to make Garfield 421 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: the nominee. Thirty six rounds of voting. So yeah, there 422 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: you go. The fourth ballot is officially underway, and McCarthy 423 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 1: has already lost this number as well. The thing that 424 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: is going to be interesting to see again is just 425 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: what is the total number going to look like? Are 426 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: there going to continue to be kind of this piecemeal 427 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: drop off? Here's the other question, buck Do the rebels, 428 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: the Rebel Alliance as it were, have they seeded this 429 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: knowing that the votes are coming, so that they slowly 430 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: add one or two supporters every single round as the 431 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: vote goes on, so that it looks like Kevin McCarthy 432 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 1: is bleeding some support. I don't know, but I think 433 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: it's worth complating that they may have known, Hey, we're 434 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: going to get into the eighth vote and then you're 435 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: going to drop off. And maybe they've only got thirty 436 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 1: four people who are committed to this, but slowly they 437 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: all add up to try to create the narrative of 438 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: McCarthy is losing support, and if they are successful, there's 439 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 1: a clear precedent that is being set by this, especially 440 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: in a narrowly divided House of Representatives, that a small 441 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 1: faction if they're willing to take, if they're willing to 442 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 1: go to the mat, willing to take it all the 443 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: way they can effectively. I don't hijack would be a 444 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 1: that that term comes to too many connotations, but they 445 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,120 Speaker 1: could steer the process in a way that they want 446 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: despite being a very very small minority overall within their party. 447 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: So I just think I think the precedent setting aspect 448 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 1: of this would be very interesting, and I wonder what 449 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: the negotiations look like after today. I mean, McCarthy just lost. 450 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 1: Now it's breaking news. Everybody just lost is fourth consecutive vote, 451 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: and you know, it does make it seem I worry 452 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: about this because I like to again take this step 453 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: back and think about how this is looking. The thirty 454 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: thousand foot view of this, the long term political implications 455 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: of this. We know that one percent of the electorate 456 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: gets to determine whether it's a Democrat or Republican victory 457 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 1: for Senate seats, and it might even be that way 458 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: for the presidency. It certainly will be two or three percent. 459 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: And when you have a Democrat party that moves in 460 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: lockstep unison and a Republican party that seems at war 461 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 1: with itself, I think it's an open question, but I 462 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 1: certainly start to lead in one direction on it. Who 463 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: does that favor? Clay People tend to like order, and 464 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: they tend to like a sense that one team is 465 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 1: acting as a team. I also wonder, buck, could we 466 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 1: end up in a situation basically right now we have 467 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 1: a head to head stalemate. You know that twenty Republicans 468 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: saying no to the two hundred. Could we have a 469 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: threat emerge? Just going to toss this out there, where 470 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:08,400 Speaker 1: a new block, let's say ten Republicans or twelve, whatever's 471 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: necessary to get Hakim Jeffreys over the line says, Hey, 472 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 1: unless you guys work this out, we're taking our twelve 473 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:21,159 Speaker 1: votes and we're going to vote for the Democrat. Is 474 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,880 Speaker 1: that possible, because then you have like a three way 475 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: guns everybody's got their guns drawn, you know, like right 476 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: now we have a head to head disagreement. Is there 477 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: a third group that could emerge in some way to 478 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: impact this log jam, whether they're willing to do it 479 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: or not. Would the threat of screw you, guys, this 480 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: is so stupid, We're gonna walk. Would that potentially move things? 481 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'd also wonder if any of the 482 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: rebels are willing to come out and say I often 483 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: tell people, whenever Democrats are calling something obstruction, you should 484 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: be smiling because it's a good thing, because that means 485 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: the government is less likely or less able to do 486 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: damage to you because the government is doing less you know, 487 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: they would always say during the Obama administration, Republicans were obstructionist, 488 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: and there's a reason we have a separation of powers. 489 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: There's a reason we have the system that we do. 490 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: So maybe one of the rebels could come forward and say, 491 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: you know, guys, even if we do vote on this 492 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: for a month or two, what's the They've already they've 493 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: already voted for the spending for next year. What's the 494 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: big difference I'm wondering if they're going to make that case, 495 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: because I think at some point they might have to. 496 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: I don't know what the alternative is to who cares? 497 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: We can't get any laws passed anyway, Let's have this fight. 498 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: They may dig in, like I said, trench warfare. And 499 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: here's the final thought for us that we go to 500 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: break back. What about Kevin McCarthy. At some point does 501 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: he start to talk to Democrats and try to find 502 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: twelve Democrats that potentially would be willing to support his speakerdom? 503 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: Right now, the Democrats just get to sit back on 504 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: the side and watch the bonfire. Oh there's I think 505 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: there's no incentive for Democrats to help the Republicans out 506 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: if this mess they've created for themselves. I can't imagine 507 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: they would. And how could you induce that, right? Giving twelve, 508 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: giving somebody as a chairmanship, oh the horse trading, you 509 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: think they'll be able to pull that out? I don't know. 510 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: I don't know what's going to happen. But at some point, 511 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,239 Speaker 1: if you have to get to two eighteen, somebody has 512 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: to get to two eighteen. I don't know how you 513 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: get to two eighteen if twenty, say we hate you, 514 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: and the other two hundreds said, we hate you and 515 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: we're not going to be negotiating and held hostage here. 516 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: The good news is we will find out at some 517 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: point how this goes. This, this saga will have an 518 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: end date. I think, well, my friends, I want to 519 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: switch gears for a moment. Here. Would you give? 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You know, Clay, it 544 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: really feels like we are going off the rails of 545 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 1: the crazy train here looking at the news about travel 546 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: restrictions as a means of lessening the impact of COVID. 547 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: This is a story from the last twenty four hours 548 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: up on the New York Times that China is denouncing 549 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: COVID testing rules imposed on its travelers. So here's what's 550 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: going on. A number of countries, Canada, the US, France, Spain, 551 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: Japan are restricting travel in some way arriving travelers from 552 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: China because of the surgeon COVID nineteen infections in that country. 553 00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 1: China has just recently started to allow its citizens to 554 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: travel abroad again, and so now there's this, uh, there's 555 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: this fight about the issue brewing. China is saying that 556 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: they will have reciprocal measures. And here is um noted 557 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 1: public health experts Karine Jean Pierre of the White House 558 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: on the China travel restriction situation Play sixteenect pretty sharp 559 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: whetoric coming out of today. Response to the testing measures 560 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: in the US and other countries to put in places 561 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: China travelers in the last week or so, any response, Yeah, 562 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: so we've seen that. Look, I will not speak for China, 563 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: but I'll be but I'll but I'll say this, there's 564 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 1: no cause for retaliation here, just because countries around the 565 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: world are taking prudent health measures to protect their citizens. 566 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 1: That's what you're seeing from US and others. This decision 567 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 1: is based on public health and science. I just want 568 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: to say, Clay that there is no amount of stupidity 569 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: or suffering that will make Democrats change their minds on 570 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: this stuff. The only thing is taking power from them, 571 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,359 Speaker 1: and then maybe they'll adjust accordingly. But as long as 572 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 1: they're in a capacity where they can do these things 573 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 1: and get away with it. The notion that we're lessening 574 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: COVID in this country based upon Chinese We ran the experiment, 575 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,280 Speaker 1: the whole, the whole thing has shown that this is crazy. 576 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,439 Speaker 1: And it also of course shows you that China's zero 577 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 1: COVID policy, which all these news outlets were saying, Oh, 578 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,240 Speaker 1: it's brilliant. Look at how compliant everybody is in China. 579 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: Let's whole disaster. Yeah. And the fact that we still 580 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: have any COVID restrictions at all in this country anywhere 581 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 1: is indefensible based on science. It just is. And we 582 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 1: now have still in place a policy just extended until 583 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,879 Speaker 1: April of twenty twenty three, that you can't fly into 584 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 1: this country unless you have gotten the COVID shot. That's crazy. 585 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 1: That's why, for instance, Novak Djokovic cannot come here still 586 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: and be heoretically play in the US Open. Now Australia 587 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 1: has ended their ridiculous band so he's gonna play here 588 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks, I believe, down in the 589 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 1: Australian Open. The other thing here that remains insanely ridiculous 590 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: is buck There are hundreds of thousands of kids that 591 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 1: are having to wear masks as they returned to school 592 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 1: from their Christmas break all over the East and West Coast. 593 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,280 Speaker 1: We know all of the data is so transparently clear 594 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: that masking kids in schools did nothing. And you know 595 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,240 Speaker 1: this happened to me. I never talked to other parents 596 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,399 Speaker 1: other than they like nod or like, you know, try 597 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 1: to be helpful if there's some small thing I can do. 598 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: I was at the Salt Lake City Airport on Sunday 599 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,359 Speaker 1: flying back to Nashville, and there was a mom there 600 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,840 Speaker 1: with her two year old masked in the concourse of 601 00:35:55,960 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: the airport, and I really felt like saying, that's child 602 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: abuse to the mom. And I don't know if I'm 603 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 1: unique in that I know how to get involved in 604 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 1: other people's parenting decision, but it's such child abuse to 605 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: me a two year old. You know, when you see 606 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: a parent who out of out of anger and frustration, 607 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,319 Speaker 1: you know, yanks on the arm of a child, gets 608 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 1: a little rough with a child, and you have that 609 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 1: you know, don't don't do that. You cringe when you 610 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 1: see this. I have a similar feeling when I see 611 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 1: parents with small children masked up, particularly if they've got 612 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,840 Speaker 1: a little tiny and ninety five on their face. I 613 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 1: look at it as the same way that I look 614 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,279 Speaker 1: at somebody who you know, shoves their kid because they 615 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 1: just can't handle it anymore. It's unacceptable to me. Yeah, 616 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: I I just it's it's rare that I react that way. 617 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 1: But to see a two year old in an airport 618 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 1: with a parent that's insisting that they put that mask on. 619 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 1: Two year old doesn't want to wear a mask two 620 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,800 Speaker 1: year oldest you know, two year olds are hard to 621 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,840 Speaker 1: get to do anything. I don't worder pants or shirts, 622 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 1: much less wear masks. And I just I don't know 623 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,880 Speaker 1: how we break the psychosis of these people, because the 624 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,879 Speaker 1: mom is convinced she's doing the right thing and she's 625 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,959 Speaker 1: totally one. The only one who could really turn it around, 626 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,360 Speaker 1: I think is Fauci, and he won't because he's a monster. 627 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:19,760 Speaker 1: Play Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth.