1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to Desperately Devoted. 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 2: Think of us as your favorite neighbors as we chat 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 2: about life and relationships all. 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 3: While we revisit the iconic show Desperate Housewives together. 5 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 2: I'm Terry Hatcher, I'm Andrea Bowen, and I'm Emerson Tunny. 6 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Desperately Devoted, where we are desperately devoted 7 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 2: to all things Desperate Housewives, but also just life and 8 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 2: friendship and being a human. And we are joined again 9 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 2: today by the incredible Michael Edelstein, my friend and executive producer. 10 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 2: From the first two explosive seasons of Desperate Housewives, there 11 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 2: was a lot going on, and if you haven't heard 12 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 2: our conversation with Michael, you must because he shared so 13 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 2: many phenomenal stories from the creation of the show, the 14 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 2: behind the scenes of those early days, as only a 15 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 2: person who's an executive producer can. But today, today we 16 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 2: are walking through the season finale, episode twenty three, which 17 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 2: is called One Wonderful Day. 18 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: Yes, it aired on May twenty second, two thousand and five. 19 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 2: And I just you know, rewatched it. I rewatched it 20 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 2: with my cat on my lap, which is rare for 21 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 2: me because she doesn't usually sit on. 22 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 4: My lap and I I loved it. 23 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,559 Speaker 2: I think Emerson, you felt like maybe it was anti climactic. 24 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 3: I thought it was a little anti climactic for how 25 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 3: many just stellar hits we had throughout the season. I mean, obviously, 26 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 3: you know, went on to have another seven seasons, but 27 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 3: I wanted a little more. 28 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:34,479 Speaker 5: I don't even know what that means. 29 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: A little more cliffhanger. 30 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 3: I think I felt like, I mean, I Rex dying 31 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 3: is a huge that's a huge storyline. And you were 32 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 3: talking about how incredible Marsha's performances. When she sits at 33 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 3: that dining table and finally breaks down, I mean I 34 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 3: got chills. Yeah, And you know, and we have Carlos 35 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 3: going off to jail, we have Gabby pregnant, we have 36 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 3: John telling Carlos in the courtroom that it was him 37 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 3: having the affair. 38 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 5: That's very dramatic. 39 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 3: Obviously, the big cliffhanger is Mike coming home having not 40 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 3: killed Paul. 41 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 4: And not knowing that Zach has not knowing that. 42 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 5: Zach has a gun to Susan. 43 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 3: So I guess, you know what, it was a very 44 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 3: big finale, and there were things that I wanted to 45 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 3: tune in to see what happened next. I think the 46 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 3: thing that felt a little anti climactic to me was 47 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 3: the new family's arrival on the street, which I understand 48 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 3: the energy of we're going to have to say that 49 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 3: there's gonna be new characters and there's gonna be a 50 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 3: new but. 51 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 5: I just sort of felt like, huh, I mean, I 52 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 5: hate this. 53 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 3: I get notes that like this that I'm about what 54 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 3: I'm saying right now, where someone says, you know, oh, 55 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 3: I just I wish that like a little more happened, 56 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 3: and then they have no pitch for like what a 57 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 3: little more happening means. 58 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 5: And that's and that's me right now. I'm completely acknowledged. 59 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 2: Hey, but before we get to Alfred Woodard and mccod brooks, Yeah, oh, 60 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 2: there's a couple of stories, can we One of the 61 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 2: things I loved about the episode was that the fabulous 62 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,839 Speaker 2: and stellar Brenda Strong finally got to have like her 63 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 2: day in the sun in a big way where we 64 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:12,399 Speaker 2: learn all the backstory of Mary Alice slash Angela and 65 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 2: you know, everything that went on with that, and I 66 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 2: know that you have some you know, interesting information about 67 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 2: how Brenda Strong ended up involved in the show in 68 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 2: the first place. 69 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 6: So as you recall we shot a pilot, you know, 70 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 6: in March of two thousand and four. Three actors from 71 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 6: that pilot were actually replaced, and one of the ones 72 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 6: who was replaced was the person who played Mary Elis. 73 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 6: People felt like we could do something different, and so 74 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 6: we went looking. And normally the way you audition actors 75 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 6: is you take them to network and you make them 76 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 6: stand there and perform in front of you. And it's 77 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 6: totally artificial, because at no point in the TV or 78 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 6: film process are you ever standing there performing for peace. 79 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 6: But we make actors do this, or we did make 80 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 6: actors do this then, and now we just. 81 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 4: Make them self tape themselves in their own house. 82 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 6: I'm not sure I'm crazy about that, because you get 83 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 6: the benefit, but but you also don't have that weirdness 84 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 6: of like standing up. And so I realized that in 85 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 6: looking at this show, that this character was going to 86 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 6: be experienced by her voice, and so the network wanted 87 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 6: us to bring actresses in. I said, no, I'm going 88 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 6: to put five actors or actresses on tape. We went 89 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 6: into a dr and we recorded their voice, and we 90 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 6: chas just their voice and played it back to picture. 91 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 6: So we cut it into the pilot so they could 92 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 6: actually hear what that person. 93 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 4: Because you already had the picture, because we had the picture. 94 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 6: My name is Mary Alice Young and you may remember. So, 95 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 6: so we had that and we had them do that 96 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 6: opening bit and with Brenda, she did her take and 97 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 6: she came out of the booth and I said, can 98 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 6: I give you a note? And she's said sure? And 99 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 6: I said can I touch you? And she said sure? 100 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 6: And I touched her in her stomach and I said, 101 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 6: you're dead. I want you to think of your feet. 102 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 6: I want you to think of your your your body. 103 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 6: I want you to be in the ground. Because she 104 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 6: was doing it from her head and she went and 105 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 6: she talks about this and she's been very lovely about, 106 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 6: you know, talking about over the years. And she went 107 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 6: back into the ADR booth and that's that person never 108 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 6: came out. I mean that was that's who. That's who 109 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 6: stayed Mary Allison. So yeah, we finally got to see 110 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 6: what an amazing actor or actress. I mean, I don't know, 111 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 6: how how do you guys like to be referred to? 112 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 3: Dad? 113 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 4: It doesn't matter. Do you have a preference. I don't, 114 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 4: I say actor, but. 115 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 1: I'm certainly not offended when someone refers to me as 116 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: an actress. I just like, you know, we say male carrier. 117 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 1: We we but you know, for a long time it 118 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:48,919 Speaker 1: was like male man. But we're making these other changes. 119 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: I think that just actor is kind of nice. 120 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 5: About my friends, regardless of their gender. 121 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's so funny, you know. 122 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 2: I remember Brenda saying, because Brenda spent a lot of 123 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 2: time in ADR, like and. 124 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 4: So she was seeing all. 125 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 2: Of our work of course, Whereas like, again, this is 126 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 2: another thing, people kind of assume that me and Andrea 127 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 2: were there all the time. We didn't see anything that 128 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 2: we weren't involved in, Like we weren't there on the 129 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 2: days that any of those other character storylines. But Brenda 130 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 2: saw all of it in all the time in real time. 131 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 2: And I remember, like she was so kind. I'm sure 132 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 2: she did this to all of us. But she would 133 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,239 Speaker 2: come up and she would just give you compliments about 134 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 2: the work that she saw you doing when she was like, 135 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 2: you know, she would see you running around and then 136 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 2: she would have to do adr over you know, you 137 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 2: looking across longingly at Mike across the street or whatever, 138 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 2: and she would just make nice comments. 139 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 4: She was anyways, back to the finale. 140 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 2: I was so glad to get to see her act, 141 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 2: you know, like to get to see her work. And 142 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 2: I don't know, was anybody surprised by the story And. 143 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 1: Well, I also just I'm going to give a shout out. 144 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: I feel like I represent the the kids of the Lane, 145 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 1: and so I want to I want to give a 146 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: shout out to Cody Cash who in this episode, you know, 147 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: he played Zach Young, and I had forgotten. Another thing 148 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: I'd forgotten is just where the crescendo of of that 149 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: mystery storyline and and and very intense what he ends 150 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: up having to do and portray. 151 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,559 Speaker 6: And the level of craondery in his eyes, the level 152 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 6: of damage, the level I mean again, I think the 153 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 6: thing that surprised me most about watching the show is, 154 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 6: you know, I think over time, for me, the complexity 155 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 6: that everybody brought to every scene kind of got replaced 156 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 6: in my head but always Desperate Housewives and you just 157 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 6: kind of put it back in your head somewhere and 158 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 6: it's this bright, shiny show. But but yeah, those scenes 159 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 6: and are so crazy, and your character obvious had a 160 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 6: lot to do with him. 161 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 4: Yeah. 162 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, And in the in the finale when Susan has 163 00:07:58,000 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 3: that moment where she stands up and she says she's 164 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 3: gonna get a glass of water or something, and he says, like, 165 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 3: don't move, like. 166 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 5: Say that and chill ran up my spine. 167 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 3: Do you remember anything about casting Cody, because he'd like 168 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 3: that character talk about growth? 169 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 6: I mean, we we auditioned so many people, and what 170 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 6: I will say, you know, some there are certain moments 171 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 6: where you remember. I don't have a specific moment about him, 172 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 6: but you know, I think there's a reason we actually 173 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 6: won the sag Award for casting. I mean, it's it's 174 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 6: clear that you I don't look at anybody's performance in 175 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 6: that final version of the show when we finally locked 176 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 6: our cast, where you go, God, we could have done 177 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 6: any better. I mean, it's really it's really kind of 178 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 6: you know, I felt very proud to be associated with 179 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 6: this group of people. 180 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 2: I felt like, I mean, just being how great other 181 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 2: people's work is, Like Doug Savant, I mean, honestly, you know, 182 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 2: Jamie said it when he was visiting us a few 183 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:55,479 Speaker 2: episodes ago. But the fact that he didn't get nominated 184 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 2: for an Emmy, like I just his work in the pilot, 185 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 2: like I just can't get over how And it's. 186 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 5: Fascinating because the answer he was a. 187 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: Good He was here and he was talking about his 188 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: journey from being a guest star, you know, throughout the 189 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: and then you think about where his character goes and 190 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 1: how it serves Lynette's storyline, but how his character has 191 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 1: its own arc and his work. I agree with you 192 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: in the finale. That scene in the arcade, I mean, 193 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 1: he is so good. 194 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 5: It's really when he says. 195 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: Go home, Oh my gosh. Yeah, I wrote that line down. 196 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 6: The intensity that he brings to it and the hurt 197 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 6: that his wife betrayed him behind his back is all 198 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:38,839 Speaker 6: in that line. 199 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: It's incredible. 200 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 3: And then is so good back his performance when he 201 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 3: says when he is in that place of hurt and 202 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 3: anger and like intense, I mean playing air hockey like physical, 203 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 3: it's really physicalized. 204 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,839 Speaker 5: And then he she comes home and it's all deflated. 205 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 3: It's like he's come to the other side of a feeling, 206 00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 3: which I think is so rare to watch that arc 207 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 3: capint a single episode and says, I don't even want 208 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 3: it that much. You know, you're going back to work. 209 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 3: You know, this is where I said, I'm revising my answer. 210 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 3: It is a good It is a really good finale 211 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,079 Speaker 3: because it sets up a lot of flips for where 212 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 3: we're going to go in the second season. 213 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 2: And one of the things, you know, Mary Alice talks 214 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 2: about at the beginning, she talks about that people live 215 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 2: these lives of quiet desperation, and it made me think, like, 216 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 2: like she comes to that reflection at the finale, like, 217 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 2: here's what's wrong with everyone? That everyone is behind closed doors, 218 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 2: struggling with things that they don't want to admit. And 219 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 2: I feel like people are currently in our in our 220 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 2: in our society right now. They they are you know, 221 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 2: alone at home watching TV. You know, no one is 222 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 2: helping them. Like everything feels like a struggle, and they 223 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 2: have these inner feelings that they can't manage or sort 224 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,199 Speaker 2: of come to grips with. And I mean, I think 225 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 2: we're still feeling that now. But do you think that 226 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 2: that was part of why this show was just such 227 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,839 Speaker 2: a huge hit, that like, on this like cellular level, 228 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 2: everybody knew that somehow this was their story. 229 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 6: I think Mark's genius was in creating those those those 230 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 6: four main characters, and then plus ed they each brought 231 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 6: a different level of vulnerability. I mean, Susan was the 232 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 6: was the beautiful girl who couldn't get a guy. And 233 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 6: and Marcia's character, Brie was the perfect wife and mother 234 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 6: who did everything right and her husband wants a divorce. 235 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 6: Eva you know, thought she wanted money and discovered she 236 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 6: needed something, you know, more meaningful than that. And Felicity, 237 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 6: you know, was that woman who who gave up her 238 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 6: career because she felt it was the right thing to do. 239 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 6: And I think those four archetypes were so powerful that 240 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 6: somebody could connect. Everybody had a sister, a mother, a brother, 241 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 6: I mean or you know brother. Everybody had somebody in 242 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 6: their life who could relate to it. And I think 243 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 6: it was the universalness. And I think what's fascinating about 244 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 6: it is that, you know, men, we don't talk about this, 245 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 6: but the male ratings were so high on that show 246 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 6: in season one, really, I mean, and every you would 247 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 6: sort of say, oh, yeah, I watched it with my girlfriend. 248 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 6: I'm like, sure, you do, you know, And so it 249 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 6: really was something that that you know, was consumed by 250 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 6: by a big chunk of America on Sunday. 251 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 4: Does that make you feel proud to have been a 252 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 4: part of that. 253 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 6: I mean, it's really interesting because television has changed so much. 254 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 6: They're very it's I don't know the last time a 255 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 6: show came on TV in this country where everybody was 256 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 6: watching and talking about it and it filled the morning 257 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 6: TV shows and it was so much a part of 258 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 6: our life. And I mean obviously this was before Instagram 259 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 6: and before Facebook and before iPhones and so the world 260 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 6: has changed so much, and so you know, it's it's 261 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 6: amazing to be part of something that that that moved culture, 262 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 6: and not just in the US, but it moved it 263 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 6: around the world. I heard you guys were talking about 264 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 6: the David la Chappelle the photo shop with the apples. 265 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 6: So that was for the UK Channel four launch of 266 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 6: the show, and so in Britain they they sent over 267 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 6: Dave Dave Lush, Dave la Chapelle, Yeah, the amazing photographer 268 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 6: who does really outlandish campaigns, and he shot a totally 269 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 6: different still campaign and video campaign to launch the show 270 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 6: in the UK. 271 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 4: Wow. 272 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 6: Oh wow. 273 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: So that's how the apples came into the whole. 274 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 6: That's that's what you guys were searching for and you're 275 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 6: in your discussion. 276 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 2: Right, Wow, I mean I remember that shoot. I mean, 277 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 2: he's such an amazing photographer. There's some great images from 278 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 2: that from. 279 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 4: That makes sense. 280 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: It's like how American books have different covers than like 281 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,319 Speaker 1: the book release covers and like. 282 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 4: That right sometimes ye wow. 283 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: Another thing I noticed in the finale that I think 284 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: is hard to pull off is that they had that 285 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: full pete of the line, Oh, Mary Alice, what have 286 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 1: you done? 287 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 3: Right? 288 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 6: What you do? Yeah? Yeah? 289 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 1: What did you do? 290 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 4: Oh? 291 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: I butchered it? 292 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 5: Uh? 293 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: Oh oh Mary Alice, what did you do? 294 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 4: Well? Yeah, yeah, I can do it, Mary Alice, what 295 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 4: did you do? Ah? 296 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: We gotta repeat yea, but I I got chills. I 297 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: flagged that in the episode because I think that's the 298 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: kind of thing that put in the wrong hands or 299 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: the wrong actors or the wrong scene or whatever can 300 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: feel it just can feel like, oh, I don't know 301 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: if that worked, but it worked so well here, And 302 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: I just thought that was cool. And I totally forgot 303 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: that that happened. 304 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 6: I mean, when you're making a show that's slightly heightened, 305 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 6: you can do that stuff, you know, because we never 306 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 6: tried to say this is real life. It was like, 307 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 6: here's real life. I'm holding up my hands for the 308 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 6: people who can't see it home. 309 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 4: Yeah. 310 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 6: And then laying right on top of real life. To 311 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 6: me was desperate house. Yeah, so all of these things, 312 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 6: like the idea that the four crazy things that happened 313 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 6: in the pilot happening together in the space of time, 314 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 6: you know, of two days or is ridiculous. But we 315 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 6: lived in a world where this act sort of bought 316 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 6: you this act, which brought you this act, and so 317 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 6: you take the audience into we're going into a heightened world. 318 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 6: And so by the time Susan burns down the house, 319 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 6: which is the most insane thing, we start, you know, 320 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 6: we start with muffin baskets and we have Susan like 321 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 6: burning down the house. And my favorite moment in the pilot, well, 322 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 6: I know we want to talk about the finale, but 323 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 6: my favorite moment in the pilot is in that narration 324 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 6: at the end where Susan sees Mike Delfino and realizes 325 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 6: that Mike isn't in the house and wasn't having an 326 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 6: affair with Edie and everything is great, and it's like 327 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 6: I fell out of my chair because I forgot about that. 328 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 6: And again the finale where Mike Delfino goes into some 329 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 6: rock quarry and we're going that, you know, I don't 330 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 6: even know. I was funny. I forgot about that. 331 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was so confused. I thought, where did they 332 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: film that? Because it's so brand and not like any 333 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: other scenery we've seen. 334 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 6: It is very impact so different than everything, and that storyline, 335 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 6: I mean, the finale, if the pilot is human, the 336 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 6: finale is drama, just drama after drama after drama after drama. 337 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 6: One of those. 338 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 2: Scenes that I love the thematically, like when Bree is 339 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 2: before Rex dies, but when he's in the hospital and 340 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 2: all the girls come around and they're like trying to 341 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 2: say it's gonna be okay, It's gonna be okay, and 342 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 2: she just sort of is like, you know what, I 343 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 2: need you to stop, like. 344 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 4: Don't don't, don't come for me, because then I'm probably 345 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 4: gonna lose. 346 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 2: Because then I'm going to lose it. And it did 347 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 2: make me think about it. Do you guys have times 348 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 2: in your life where you like, I feel like I 349 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 2: work at children's hospital every week and I volunteer there, 350 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 2: and that is a scenario. 351 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 4: Where you're faced with a lot of. 352 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 2: Dramatic emotional scenarios but you cannot show any of those feelings, 353 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 2: and you kind of keep that all in for like 354 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 2: two or three hours, and then I would leave and 355 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 2: I would get home and just be like a puddle 356 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 2: because you're but do you guys have that where you're 357 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 2: sort of well, I definitely murmuring yourself. 358 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 3: I definitely resonated with Breeze character in that moment when 359 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 3: she's like, don't give me sympathy, because then I'm gonna 360 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 3: break down. I think I can. I mean, two things 361 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 3: can be true at once, and they often are. I 362 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 3: feel like I am a very emotional person. Like for 363 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 3: a long time when I was younger, if I was 364 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 3: angry about something, I would start crying and I would 365 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 3: get so upset because I'd be like, oh, this is 366 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 3: undermining my really legitimate anger because now I just look sad. 367 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 3: But I'm like, I'm an easy cry in a movie, 368 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 3: in my life, in any circumstance, happy, sad, angry. So 369 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 3: I think I've done a lot of work to try to, 370 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 3: especially in you know, professional context or context when I 371 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 3: really want to get my point across, not cry and 372 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 3: not let my emotion come out through my scorpio water 373 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 3: sign eyes. And that said, because I recognize that takes 374 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 3: more emotional fortitude for me if I am with someone 375 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 3: and I'm upset and they go like, Hey, it's gonna 376 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 3: be okay, or oh, you look like you're gonna cry. 377 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 5: You used to say this to me. Sometimes you'd be like, 378 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 5: are you gonna cry? 379 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 3: And I would be like, don't ask me that, because 380 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 3: now I'm gonna cry. 381 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, I really I connected to that moment. 382 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 2: You would get really mad at me when I would 383 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 2: say you look like you're gonna cry, because. 384 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: It would then it would bring it all right. You're like, 385 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: don't say it out loud, Like. 386 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 3: The best thing you can do is ignore anything I 387 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 3: look like I'm about to do, because then hopefully I 388 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:26,360 Speaker 3: won't do it. 389 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,479 Speaker 1: I love the scenes where we see the women really 390 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: exists as strong pillars for each other and and you know, 391 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: clearly more than just neighbors, and we get them sprinkled out, 392 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: whether that comes in the form of the poker scenes 393 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: or the scene in the park with Lynette and Susan 394 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: Debrie or this in the hospital. And I do think 395 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: it's very relatable for a lot of people in those 396 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: incredibly tragic moments in life where you are just you're 397 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 1: just on the precipice of your life changing forever. You know, 398 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: and you're just sitting in the hospital waiting room and 399 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: it doesn't take much to send you just totally down 400 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: to your knees. And I thought it was a really truthful, 401 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 1: honest representation of what that can feel like for people. 402 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:07,360 Speaker 1: But I also think it was a cool moment from 403 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: a character standpoint, because so much of Breeze's posturing is 404 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: to appear perfect, and in this case it was really 405 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: self preservation. It was survival. It wasn't because I needed 406 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 1: I'm literally admitting that I will crumble if any more 407 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: comes out my. 408 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 3: Way, and speaking on Breeze appearing perfect, which I Toldally. 409 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 3: I was watching the scene and I thought someone's going 410 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 3: to comment on this, like one of the girls is 411 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 3: going to say this, one of the girls is going 412 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 3: to point this out, And no one did in the writing, 413 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 3: and so it made me go, gosh, was this Marcia choice? 414 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 5: Was this a director choice? 415 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 3: Her jacket is inside out the entire scene? Oh wow, 416 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 3: You notice it and you can see the tag and 417 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 3: you can see the seeming stitching. It's buttoned up the 418 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 3: way she always wears her suit jacket, but it's inside out. Wow, 419 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 3: And it was such I really did think someone was 420 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 3: going to say, oh, your jackets inside out, and then 421 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 3: she was going to break down crying, and no one did, 422 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 3: and it made me go, I want. 423 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 5: Wonder if this was an act martialing. Yeah, it just 424 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 5: felt like such a smart character choice. 425 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 2: So I know that we just touched on the how 426 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 2: did Alfrey Wooded and a comics get into this show? 427 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 4: And do you know anything about this? 428 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 6: I do? And it's you know, it'll be slightly controversial, Okay. 429 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 6: Mark had developed so Alfrey was a longtime friend of mine. 430 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 6: I've known Alfree since I was like twenty one years 431 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 6: old on my business. And so when we started to 432 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 6: think about bringing in somebody new for series two, I 433 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 6: mean I think I'd see, just why don't we try 434 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,400 Speaker 6: to go after Alfrey, who you know, who is one 435 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 6: of the great dramatic actors, yeah, you know, of all time? 436 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 6: And so we she was interested and Mark had developed 437 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 6: a really brilliant and controversial story and what ended up 438 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 6: happening was the network was uncomfortable with it, and so 439 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,199 Speaker 6: it had to be pulled apart and everything had to 440 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 6: kind of be changed before it went into production. But 441 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 6: Mark had had it was a very different storyline initially 442 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 6: than what made it. 443 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 4: Take and you think it was a better storyline. 444 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 6: I think the initial storyline was incredibly powerful. 445 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 4: And are you allowed to say it? 446 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 6: I mean, I'm gonna say what I think I know. 447 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 6: And and again it's been twenty years, but. 448 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 2: My guess I think we can all admit, well, we're 449 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 2: not in season two yet, and we'll get there. And 450 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 2: I don't remember all of it, but I do remember 451 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 2: the overarching thing of like, what the hell is going 452 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:34,360 Speaker 2: on with the storyline. 453 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 6: What's happening? 454 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 1: It still didn't feel totally appropriate. 455 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, well I don't even know what it is. 456 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, start exactly that. 457 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 6: But yeah, well I think the storyline that was pitched 458 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 6: was much darker than the storyline that actually made it 459 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 6: to air, and the storyline I believe, And again, memory 460 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 6: sometimes does strange things, so yeah, and we may get 461 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 6: pushed back from people. So my recollection is that the 462 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 6: original storyline was that her son had gotten a woman pregnant. 463 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 6: The woman wanted to have an abortion, and because she 464 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 6: was a fundamentalist Alfred's character, yes, and we're very religious, 465 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 6: she wanted the girl to carry the baby to term, 466 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 6: and so that was what was supposed to be locked 467 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 6: up in the basement, okay, and it just freaked out. 468 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 5: That's a very Handmaid's tail. 469 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 6: It completely freaked out the network to do an abortion 470 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:35,479 Speaker 6: storyline for the whole season because again, network Television, it's 471 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 6: a different time. 472 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 2: God and I became friends and we're still friends, which 473 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 2: I think people would find surprising. It like an odd 474 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 2: just because he's so cool and the age difference and 475 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 2: he was like a Calvin Klein underwear model, and I 476 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 2: think people wait, like, yeah, we were, we're close, we're 477 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 2: close friends, and I feel like I recall him telling me, 478 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 2: you're ago like that. The story didn't pan out like that. 479 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 2: He didn't get the opportunity to do the sort of 480 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,719 Speaker 2: acting he thought he was going to do when he 481 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 2: got involved. And I wonder if Alfred feels that way too. 482 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 6: You know, you know, I'll let Alfred. She's herself, I mean, 483 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 6: she's you know, she's a consummate pro. But to have 484 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 6: her on because yeah, she's a great talker. 485 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: I love her story, and I think, you know, whether 486 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: or not she feels that way, I certainly, as someone 487 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: who appreciates her work and her depth as an actress, 488 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 1: feel like she didn't get to fully show that off 489 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 1: in the storyline, and I imagine I don't even know. 490 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 6: If she knows what the original storyline was supposed to be. 491 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 3: Well, speaking of mysteries that come to light, the one 492 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 3: big one that gets wrapped up, and I know we 493 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 3: already kind of talked about Mary Alice's character and Brenda 494 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 3: really having her day in front of the camera. I 495 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 3: was curious because, of course, it's a great reveal that 496 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 3: Paul has seemed so suspicious this whole time, and it's 497 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 3: actually mary Alice who old this woman who was Zac's 498 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 3: formerly Dana, which, by the way, does. 499 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 5: Anyone know a man named Dane Aana Carvey? 500 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 4: Oh? 501 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 5: There you go, yeah. 502 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 2: I and put in her place, and I asked your nice. 503 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 3: Well, so we find out that mary Alice was the 504 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 3: one who actually killed this woman, and that Paul was 505 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 3: kind of like the dutiful husband helping just member the 506 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 3: body and put it in the toy chest. At what point, 507 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 3: I'm curious, Michael, at what point did the writers figure 508 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 3: out that that was going to be where that story 509 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 3: was going. 510 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 6: So I believe that was there from the beginning, that 511 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 6: that mystery about what happened, who the baby was, and 512 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 6: Mike Delfino and you guys they knew that. 513 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, you can some semblance when the whole thing starts. 514 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 6: I believe so. And you had mentioned like Mike being 515 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,919 Speaker 6: number five on the call sheet. The reason Mike was 516 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 6: important to the show, aside from being Susan's you know, 517 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 6: romantic interest, was also because he's so deeply ingrained in 518 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 6: that mystery. So when you look at when you look 519 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 6: back at at the last episode, you understand from the 520 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 6: beginning how important Mike's role was. So when you know 521 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 6: when he pulls out that gun in the pilot, you 522 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 6: know it's much more than I'm just Susan's boyfriend. You know, 523 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 6: he's there searching for his child, right but he doesn't 524 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 6: even know he has. 525 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 5: That is his child. 526 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 3: I mean, that's a big thing that we feel there 527 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 3: is the question now coming into oh my god, it 528 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 3: was his kid. 529 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: I do think it's an interesting arc for Mark Moses 530 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: who played Paul, because he's set up to be this suspicious, 531 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: maybe evil character that we're all, you know, scared of, 532 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: and then you come to learn that he's really was 533 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: really trying to protect his wife. He still has those 534 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: moments though, where he's pretty awful. 535 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 2: To exactly that like his go to frustration is huge anger. 536 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, any drugs his son multiple times throughout this season, 537 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: and he killed Martha yeah, and he killed Missus Hooper, 538 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: so he's not Scott free. But it is interesting, you 539 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: know that those scenes out there and wherever they shot that, 540 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 1: between Jamie and Mark, there's a lot of vulnerability on 541 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 1: Mark's part that I thought was really great work. 542 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 3: You know what this is making me realize, and I 543 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 3: just this is a very macro life note. This is 544 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,439 Speaker 3: less to do with the finale, but it has to 545 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 3: do with my initial experience of the finale, because we've 546 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 3: watched all of these episodes of the first season and 547 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 3: it's been my first time watching them, and it's been 548 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 3: such a treat. And I do think maybe it's because 549 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 3: I was like, oh, disappointed that now we have to 550 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 3: Thank god there's many more seasons, but oh, this is 551 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 3: this chapter is coming to an end. I did feel 552 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,120 Speaker 3: like it was a little anti climactic, And now sitting 553 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 3: and really talking through the care and the scenes and 554 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 3: re remembering them, I have completely changed my tune and 555 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 3: I think this is an incredible finale and it's making 556 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 3: me think how often in life in general, you sometimes 557 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,120 Speaker 3: need to sit with what your initial assumption or initial 558 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 3: read on something is going to be before you let 559 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 3: that bake in and go out and say that is 560 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 3: your judgment. And I'm really glad that I've had this 561 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 3: opportunity to remember to do that in more avenues. 562 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's really good. I mean we talk 563 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 2: about sometimes like trying to learn how to not react 564 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 2: to things, you know, like to sit with it, like 565 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,199 Speaker 2: to let yourself sort of calm down before you just 566 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 2: have that, you know, adrenaline driven reaction to everything. But 567 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 2: I don't know if you feel this way, Michael. I mean, 568 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 2: I know we both had in different ways complicated journeys 569 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 2: on this show. Obviously, and maybe it's not obvious, but 570 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 2: I mean, primarily. 571 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 4: We both lead with gratitude. 572 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 2: There's just no way to have been involved in this 573 00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 2: show and the way we were. 574 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 4: I'm gonna cry too, and. 575 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 3: You know what, you can cry at something, but I 576 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 3: wasn't gonna bring it up because I didn't want to 577 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:05,880 Speaker 3: make it. 578 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 4: But you know, to not lead with gratitude. 579 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 2: But that said, it was a complicated thing, was a 580 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:19,479 Speaker 2: complicated family, and one of the greatest gifts about stepping 581 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,439 Speaker 2: away from it for all this time and getting to 582 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 2: rewatch it is. And I'm going off of kind of 583 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 2: what you're saying, but you did it much faster. Just 584 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 2: watching the finale coming in here saying it was it 585 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 2: was Antacom Africa and then ten minutes later going nope, 586 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 2: I was wrong. Well so it's taken me twelve fifteen years. 587 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 4: But anyway, like to. 588 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 2: Just all I see is the pleasant It's all I see. 589 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 4: I just see how good everybody was. 590 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 2: And I see the good intentions behind everybody, and I 591 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 2: see and I know, I guess, I know, And for 592 00:28:54,960 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 2: as much as I don't remember, I know that every crew, cast, writers, 593 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 2: you know, showed up every day and tried to make 594 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 2: it the best that they could. 595 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 4: And it wasn't because we. 596 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 2: Wanted to be famous or we wanted to be rich. 597 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 2: It was because we wanted to produce a good product. 598 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 2: And I know that is what was behind everybody going 599 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 2: to this every day. And it's just like it's a 600 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 2: beautiful gift to kind of look back at it with 601 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 2: just these non exhausted, you know, happy eyes. 602 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 4: Do you feel that way? 603 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 6: You know? It's an interesting thing because I hadn't revisited 604 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 6: the show since I left the show, and I'm incredibly 605 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 6: proud of what we built. It does look a little 606 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 6: dated to me, which is interesting. Yeah, But on the 607 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 6: other hand, you know, a lot of those choices were intentional, 608 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 6: and we were making a show for two thousand and four. 609 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 6: We weren't making a show for twenty twenty five. With 610 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 6: that said, I think the writing, you know, really holds 611 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 6: up in season one. I try to approach the shows as, 612 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 6: you know, a gift, but you know, like many gifts 613 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 6: in life, they they they come with with challenges and 614 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 6: lessons and I mean, you, I'll never forget. So I 615 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 6: was in France selling the show internationally when it premiered. 616 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 6: I picked up the phone and we got the ratings 617 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 6: and they were huge, and I called all of the 618 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 6: cast and when I somehow got to you because we 619 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 6: didn't can I don't know if I couldn't get you 620 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 6: on the phone or whatever, but I'd called a few 621 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 6: people and everybody's excited and ecstatic, and I got to you, 622 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 6: and you and I and I'll never forget this. I 623 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 6: know exactly where I was standing. We were both like, 624 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 6: isn't this great? And You're like yeah, And we both 625 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 6: had the sense of what was coming, that it was 626 00:30:55,800 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 6: going to be amazing and explosive, but I think we 627 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 6: already knew that it was going to be a challenge, 628 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 6: and there was some heaviness, and you were the only 629 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 6: other one. It's like, it's one of those moments where 630 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 6: I just I feel I felt so profoundly connected to 631 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 6: you because nobody else, everybody is ecstatic. And I think 632 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 6: because you'd been on hits before and you'd been down 633 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 6: the road of fame before that you knew that. Listen, 634 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 6: it's an amazing gift, but it is not without its 635 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 6: challenges riding that wave. And the more famous you are, 636 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 6: the more people want to get pulled in different directions 637 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 6: and you get asked to do things. I mean, the 638 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 6: cast was asked to do stuff constantly, like even when 639 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 6: they weren't working, and it was just it took over 640 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 6: your lives. And I mean, you know, the thing that 641 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 6: I'm most gratified about, you know, quite frankly, Emerson, Like 642 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 6: when I met you, you were you know, seven years old, 643 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 6: and your mom was a single parent at the time, 644 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 6: just trying to figure out how to give you a 645 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 6: normal life when her life was anything button normal. And 646 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 6: the thing that like touched me so much when we 647 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 6: had dinner, was you turned out to be this amazing, 648 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,719 Speaker 6: grounded person. To see your relationship with your mom is incredible. 649 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 6: And then Andrea, I mean the fact that you you 650 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 6: two like feel like you're related, and the love you 651 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 6: guys have for each other and the respect you have 652 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 6: for each other. I mean, listening to the podcast, it's 653 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 6: it's been incredibly lovely to know. If you ask me, 654 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 6: what I'm kind of most touch with is that there 655 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,479 Speaker 6: were these moments and these bonds that were built and 656 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 6: to be a part of you know, that is an 657 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 6: incredibly gratifying thing. So it's it's very very touching to 658 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 6: be here today. 659 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: I'm so glad that thank you for being here with 660 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: us today. It's touching for us too. And I don't know, 661 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: I don't know the dynamics of everyone else's relationship and 662 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: how long you know they've stayed in touch or connected, 663 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: and I sort of, I mean, I hope that rippled 664 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: through for other cast. 665 00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 6: On the shows. 666 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 1: You know, look at us like that's pretty incredib And 667 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: I said to Terry and Emerson that in a way, 668 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: you know, it's really fun to sit here week after 669 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: week and get to be entertained by the show and 670 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 1: get to explore all of the amazing, greater themes that 671 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: come from it and have these really just enriching conversations weekly. 672 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,959 Speaker 1: But it's also sort of therapeutic to be able to 673 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: reflect on what was a really unique experience for everyone involved. 674 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: It kind of feels like a dysfunctional you know, family 675 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: getting to sit down and explore it all. And I 676 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 1: just think it's an amazing opportunity from that standpoint. 677 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 6: I think, like I said, I think, you know, in 678 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 6: that first season and if people want to go back 679 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 6: control the internet and see what was written, there was 680 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 6: a lot of drama, and I think at the end 681 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 6: of the day, it could have should have would have 682 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 6: been handled differently. I think, you know, all of our 683 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 6: main cast was put under enormous pressure that they wouldn't 684 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,239 Speaker 6: be put under today. And people, you know, we've had 685 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 6: a meet too, We've had so many different things where 686 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 6: we've had you know, reckonings about how actors are treated 687 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 6: and you guys have intimacy coordinators and and I mean, 688 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:12,839 Speaker 6: some of that I think is for the good. Some 689 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 6: of it is not in terms of spontaneity, but at 690 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 6: least people are protected in a way that they were 691 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 6: never protected before. And what I will say is that, 692 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 6: in retrospect, if I'd had more power, I wish I 693 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 6: would have done a better job of protecting everybody. And 694 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 6: I think, I think you know, it was just a very, 695 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 6: very challenging time and everybody was working sixteen hours a 696 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,399 Speaker 6: day doing the best they could do with whatever they 697 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 6: had in their toolbox. And some people had more in 698 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 6: their toolboxes to cope with challenges than others. And you know, 699 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 6: I learned a lot from you. I'm looking at Terry 700 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 6: soberbody can hear. I mean you you taught me. You 701 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 6: taught me how to, you know, work with an actor, 702 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 6: because you were so prepared, you were so focused. Every 703 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 6: choice you made wasn't out of caprice. It was made 704 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,800 Speaker 6: because I have a vision for this character in my head, 705 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 6: and I need what I need to deliver that character. 706 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 6: And you'd also been through the network run around before, 707 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,839 Speaker 6: so you knew what that was like, and you knew 708 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 6: how they love to put you on a pedestal. And then, 709 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 6: because you're a woman, say well, wait a second, she 710 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 6: looked a little tired in this episode, and what's going 711 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 6: on here? And nobody would talk this way about women anymore. 712 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 6: But in twenty just as we talked about, oh, we 713 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 6: have to blur out nipples, it was like, oh, is 714 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 6: she looking tired? Or is this and by the way, 715 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 6: not necessarily speaking about you, but speaking about her. 716 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 4: But is that stuff? That is? That is stuff? Besides 717 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 4: the nipples? What else did they say? 718 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 6: I mean, it was not about that, It was about 719 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 6: they just everything was scrutinized, that everybody did everything right. 720 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 1: And in a different way than if it was a 721 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,839 Speaker 1: show about four or five men. 722 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 6: Well, yeah, you no question. But I also think you know, 723 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 6: what I used to tell people is, you know, when 724 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,360 Speaker 6: you go to work, do you go to work with 725 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:03,879 Speaker 6: your five best friends every day? 726 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 4: Like? 727 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 6: What world do you expect? These are people who are 728 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 6: professionals who are paid to do a job. They're not 729 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 6: paid to be best friends. They're there to work. And 730 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:13,880 Speaker 6: so I don't know about you, but I didn't go 731 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,839 Speaker 6: to work with my four best friends every day, that's 732 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,799 Speaker 6: for sure, And certainly you know on this show. So 733 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 6: I think it's remarkable that it stands the test of time. 734 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,880 Speaker 6: And I think it stands the test of time because 735 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 6: the cast quite frankly took the scripts and made them real. 736 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,280 Speaker 3: One thing that you were saying right before we started 737 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 3: recording that I wanted to ask you, how did the 738 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:43,400 Speaker 3: enormity of Desperate Housewives' success change your life after the 739 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 3: first season. 740 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:45,799 Speaker 6: I mean, I'm sure I was going to it's so 741 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,240 Speaker 6: funny you said that. I mean, we all had crazy 742 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 6: stories of this. I mean, the craziest story that ever 743 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,879 Speaker 6: happened to me, Terry knows. I was working with Elton 744 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 6: John on a project as we were shooting Desperate Housewives, 745 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 6: and I got called to go to Vegas for a 746 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 6: meeting and and so I drive to Burbank Airport and 747 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 6: it's a torrential thunderstorm. It is so bad. And I 748 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,839 Speaker 6: was supposed to meet with Elton in the morning and 749 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,400 Speaker 6: it's four o'clock in the afternoon. No planes are flying. 750 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 6: And so I'm at Southwest Airlines. I you know, I was, 751 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 6: you know, a kid on a budget and went and 752 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 6: I made the decision, like, you know what, I'm just 753 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 6: going to drive four hours or five hours in the rain, 754 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 6: and I have to be there for this meeting. So 755 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 6: so I go to Southwest Airlines and try to get 756 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:30,920 Speaker 6: my bag and they're saying, I'm sorry, we can't get 757 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,399 Speaker 6: your bags. I mean they're on the plane. We can't 758 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,880 Speaker 6: get your bags. And there is a gay guy. In 759 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 6: full disclosure, I'm a gay man, so this is not 760 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 6: said with anything other than love. There's a gay guy 761 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 6: like eyeing me in the back and and he comes 762 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 6: up to the country. The guy walks away, and I'm 763 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 6: clearly first. He goes, he goes, you're the Desperate Housewife's guy, 764 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 6: And I said, excuse me. He goes, yeah, I saw 765 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:54,839 Speaker 6: you on Oprah. I'll go get your bag. 766 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,240 Speaker 5: Oh god, oh my god. 767 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 6: Because of Desperate Housewives, I got to meet Winfrey, who's 768 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 6: still a friend, and that was an amazing experience. Because 769 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,799 Speaker 6: of Desperate Housewife, it opened all sorts of doors to 770 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,719 Speaker 6: me in international television. And then I got to go 771 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 6: off and build a studio. So you know, overall, you know, well, 772 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 6: it's never fun to leave something that's successful. It was 773 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 6: an amazing life changing experience. But how like, what about 774 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:24,360 Speaker 6: quirky stories for all of you? 775 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:26,719 Speaker 5: Oh getting your bags back there? 776 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 1: I know I still had some airport perks myself. I 777 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 1: would say from being on the show, I've my bags 778 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,319 Speaker 1: have been overweight before. And then the person will be 779 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,960 Speaker 1: like it's okay, you know, which is huge. That is honestly, 780 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 1: like what, I don't think there are better perks in 781 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,200 Speaker 1: life than airport perks. Traveling is so stressful and hectic 782 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,319 Speaker 1: and so uncomfortable that when someone offers you a little 783 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 1: kindness it feels really you. 784 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 3: Actually just had that last year at the Heathrow Airport. 785 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 5: My mom and I were together and. 786 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:56,759 Speaker 3: It was a really long line and we were like 787 00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 3: running a little late for our flight, and the woman 788 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,439 Speaker 3: who was checking back recognized. 789 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 4: You know, the check in ticket lady. 790 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,279 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, she was giving us the tickets, recognized you 791 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,520 Speaker 3: and ushered us right up to the front. And that 792 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 3: was really no, that is I mean I had I 793 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,759 Speaker 3: had the biggest ABC Desperate Housewives uh perk as a 794 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,920 Speaker 3: child growing up, and this is going to make me 795 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,080 Speaker 3: sound so spoiled, and I really was. 796 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 5: It's going to make me sound spoiled and bugie. 797 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,040 Speaker 3: But I got to go to Disneyland with a guide 798 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:29,240 Speaker 3: that let us cut the lines for my entire adolescence from. 799 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:30,760 Speaker 5: The time I was seven until I was sixteen. 800 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:35,959 Speaker 3: Because ABC and Disney but also Desperate Housewives was such 801 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,920 Speaker 3: a huge hit that my mom could not stand in 802 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 3: a line could not walk five feet down the street 803 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,760 Speaker 3: in Disneyland without hundreds of people coming up and asking 804 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,920 Speaker 3: for photos. I mean, I think this is the way 805 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:52,080 Speaker 3: I'm sure like the Kardashians feel todayday right, And so 806 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,759 Speaker 3: I did. I grew up going through the exits of 807 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,840 Speaker 3: the rides at Disneyland and that was thank you. 808 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 2: But now we stand in the car's ride for like 809 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 2: line for an hour like everybody else. 810 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, the days of that are long over for me, 811 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,840 Speaker 3: but they really hit at the crucial critical time of 812 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,000 Speaker 3: when you were a kid and you want to go 813 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 3: to Disneyland. 814 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,640 Speaker 2: So yeah, well this finale has left us with some 815 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,799 Speaker 2: pretty decent cliffhangers. We don't know if Zach is going 816 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 2: to kill Mike because they're in the house. We don't 817 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,879 Speaker 2: know if Bree is going to find out the truth 818 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:25,000 Speaker 2: about George, who was probably murdering Racks all along. We 819 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:26,800 Speaker 2: don't know what it's going to be like when Lynette 820 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 2: goes back to work. We don't know if Gabby is 821 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,680 Speaker 2: going to have the baby. And we don't really know, 822 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 2: although Michael did give us a little bit of a 823 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,920 Speaker 2: hint what's up with the new neighbors. I'm so glad 824 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,399 Speaker 2: you were here with us, Michael, to wrap this whole 825 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,399 Speaker 2: thing up. I feel like you and I both get 826 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:48,919 Speaker 2: to like tie the bow, pass it on and walk 827 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 2: away in peace. 828 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 4: I feel good about it. 829 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:51,279 Speaker 5: I hope you do too. 830 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,560 Speaker 6: It's an amazing gift to be here with the three 831 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 6: of you. And like I said earlier, it's magical to 832 00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,799 Speaker 6: see that, you know, everybody got a happy end and 833 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,279 Speaker 6: that's you know, you don't always know that when you're 834 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,440 Speaker 6: in the middle of something, but you know, twenty years 835 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,440 Speaker 6: on and it's nice to see, you know, a friend 836 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 6: across the you know, across the room, and have such 837 00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,920 Speaker 6: love and yeah, it's it's it's profound. 838 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:15,840 Speaker 4: It is profound. 839 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 2: And I think to end on that sort of inspiring 840 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:22,040 Speaker 2: sort of idea that you know, time heals all that 841 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,439 Speaker 2: all things pass, and that you really can like see 842 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 2: the good and things if you look at it the 843 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,400 Speaker 2: right way, and you know, just offer that out to 844 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,800 Speaker 2: you listeners, and because we are desperately devoted to you,