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Speaker 1: I listen to the Black Guy Who Tips podcast because

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Speaker 1: Rob and Karen.

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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome to another episode of the Blackout to his podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host Rod, joined us always by my co

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Speaker 2: host Ken, and we're live on a Sunday slightly afternoon

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Speaker 2: exactly at noon high noon.

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Speaker 3: Meet me in the streets. Okay.

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Speaker 2: We also got a guest, you know, nothing but the

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Speaker 2: best for our people. Okay, it's been a while since

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Speaker 2: we had them on the regular show. You know, we

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Speaker 2: had them on Balls Deep Sports a few times as well,

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Speaker 2: and we've been on his show, the Open Run podcast

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Speaker 2: as well this year, and it was just one of

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Speaker 2: those things that happens where we're online. You be in

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Speaker 2: the same circles, you see each other every day social

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Speaker 2: media wise, and you forget. I got this podcast and

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Speaker 2: you can always come on here. It's an open door.

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Speaker 2: You can always call next get your five and get

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Speaker 2: on the court with us.

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Speaker 3: It's my man, Will.

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Speaker 2: Strickland, direct our rations for four Court twenty one, host

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Speaker 2: of the Open Run Podcast, hip hop music industry veteran teacher,

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Speaker 2: I mean, hustler, entrepreneurillionaire.

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Speaker 3: What doesn't this man do?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: He does it all? Radio host? I mean come on Now,

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Speaker 3: what's going on Wall Street?

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Speaker 4: How you doing man maintaining, sir, daily operations. I appreciate

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Speaker 4: the amazing, amazing introduction and feel good about it.

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Speaker 1: It's good to be a love, yes, sir. It good

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Speaker 1: to be alive.

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Speaker 2: It feels like during the pandemic, you know, I think

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Speaker 2: everybody can't face to face their own mortality because you

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Speaker 2: can't help it.

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Speaker 3: Every day it's like this, many people ain't here no more.

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Speaker 2: And then also losing our hip hop legends, you know,

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Speaker 2: our sports legends and stuff.

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Speaker 3: In the last couple of years. DMX just passed.

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Speaker 2: They saw the video Black Rob talking about DMX and

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Speaker 2: he was in the hospital. So yeah, it's definitely like

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Speaker 2: you said, make you feel fortunate still be here, dog.

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Speaker 4: I think we sometimes take for granted the blessing that is.

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Speaker 1: Life.

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Speaker 4: And it may be think of this Jay Electronica quote

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Speaker 4: the clothes that we wear in this life is just pajamas,

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Speaker 4: you know, and and and you know, waking up, this

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Speaker 4: pleasure we walk around is walk around in is a blessing,

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Speaker 4: not a promise. And I think that when we have

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Speaker 4: the opportunity to live the best life we can and

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Speaker 4: you start to look at like you said, your mortality.

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Speaker 4: I see guys that around my age. I see you know,

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Speaker 4: Ecstasy from Houdini Dying. I see you know Chris Marquis

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Speaker 4: d from Fat Boys Dying. I see Bis Marquis in

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Speaker 4: the hospital. I see Black Rob in the hospital. I

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Speaker 4: see DMX dying. And I'm like, they're around my age.

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Speaker 4: And you realize you have in a lot.

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Speaker 1: Of ways because I don't expect to live to one

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 4: Did you have more past than future? What are you

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Speaker 4: doing with the time you have?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 1: We sit around, we complain, we do. I got it.

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Speaker 4: That's what I maintained. I never get too I never

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Speaker 4: get too little. But I'm gonna do something every day

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Speaker 4: with the day that I have.

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Speaker 3: Yes, sir, that can go.

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Speaker 4: I did what I need to do today. I can

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Speaker 4: go to sleep, feel good and wake up and say

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Speaker 4: time to make the donuts. Let's get it cracking again. Right,

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Speaker 4: So yeah, it's it's trip man.

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Speaker 3: And you already a prolific brother man because you've done.

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Speaker 2: It feels like you've had five career jobs, right simultaneous

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Speaker 2: every few years you doing something new, and it is

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Speaker 2: just a joy to sit back and watch and see

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Speaker 2: the different pots that you have your hands in and

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Speaker 2: just the just the growth and.

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Speaker 3: All the multiple things that you do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like, can you tell the audience a little bit

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Speaker 2: about like your history and hip hop coming up? You know,

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Speaker 3: Can you can you tell the audience about that?

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Speaker 4: When you said nineteen eighty six listening that most of

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Speaker 4: the fact that you know, I was his high school

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Speaker 4: it was two hundred degree whether I'm like that shit

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Speaker 4: is so hot down here? How do you wear that?

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Speaker 1: But I came in. I didn't.

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Speaker 4: I left my ego at the door at first. I

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Speaker 1: So I DJ.

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Speaker 4: I watched this cat who's like the funk Master reflex,

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Speaker 4: So whatever, the big DJ is there in Charlotte, right,

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Speaker 1: I know you've done there for a minute, somewhere down

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Speaker 1: you had all the contracts, everything, and I want to

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Speaker 4: And I knew I couldn't do it from the outside

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Speaker 4: being bitter and being a hater. So I'm like I

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Speaker 4: went up to him and was like, yo, my man,

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Speaker 4: I like what you do. Can I work for you?

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Speaker 4: He's like, oh, I can't pay you, but you can.

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Speaker 1: You know. I said, I'll carry your.

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Speaker 4: I said, I said, whatever you need done, I just

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Speaker 4: want to be down. I want to you know, if

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Speaker 4: Whatever extra records you get from like record pools or labels,

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Speaker 4: DJ too. So he's like, well, like I said, I

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Speaker 4: What he didn't realize is that everybody he knew I

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Speaker 1: So I do that. You know.

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Speaker 4: My father, blessed dead, stopped me from going to this party.

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Speaker 4: I asked him that if I could go out of

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Speaker 1: He was twenty four. So yeah, my father was like, Nah,

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Speaker 4: And it's a good thing I didn't, because he got

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Speaker 4: pop poor trying to sell weed at a kiddie party.

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Speaker 1: Damn so old people who had hired him to do

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Speaker 4: Else, Bob Minz's whatever it was. We're like, oh, we

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Speaker 4: can't touch him now. And he lost his little job

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Speaker 4: the radio station too, because I was going up through

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Speaker 4: this thing called a mixed show.

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Speaker 1: Mix shows did not exist.

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Speaker 4: Before the mid to early eighties, so that was the

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Speaker 1: All that stuff he lost.

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Speaker 4: And part of the reason that I got the show

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Speaker 4: was because our boss, who was she's actually a lady

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Speaker 4: during the morning show later on in her career. But

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Speaker 4: she was in this little small Texas town and she said, look,

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Speaker 4: we don't know where Tony is.

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Speaker 1: We didn't know.

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Speaker 4: Until we found out later, but she said, I know

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Speaker 4: you're Histle Prentice. We don't have anything to put in here,

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Speaker 4: no scratch and no tricks.

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Speaker 1: Play the hits. I did it once. I did twice.

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Speaker 1: Another steak with the beans and rice.

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Speaker 4: I had to show me the youngest in charge midday

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Speaker 4: Master mixed with Chilwell Strickly.

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Speaker 1: Then I'm gonna go back to my fifth period English class,

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Speaker 1: and the kids knew my dude.

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Speaker 4: I walked in, everybody knew, everybody was listening. At lunch,

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Speaker 1: But that's serious, Like how do you do a show?

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Speaker 1: You're like, guess up and then you go back to

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Speaker 2: It's also it's also a life lesson though, because it

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Speaker 2: it teaches you at a young age that everything that

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Speaker 1: For those who don't speak Spanish, that's church.

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Speaker 4: So it gave me an opportunity to say, I can

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Speaker 4: making dollars come down for a show that I did once.

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Speaker 4: I was sixteen years old, so I wasn't old enough

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Speaker 4: to get into the club that I booked them in year.

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Speaker 1: So dude at the club, I was like, Okay, we're

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Speaker 1: But I can, So they had to stay on the

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Speaker 4: And before they do the show, I negotiate my deal

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Speaker 1: The dude who ran the club.

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Speaker 4: And I said, you know what, let me get the

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Speaker 4: door man and something. You know they're gonna give you

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Speaker 4: the door five hours back in the day.

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Speaker 1: It's nothing to him that's gonna let a bunch of

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Speaker 4: So I asked for twenty percent of the door at

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Speaker 4: sixteen or twenty percent of the bar at sixteen years old.

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Speaker 1: He didn't want to get that to me, but they

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Speaker 1: eventually gave me you because we can go to another club.

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Speaker 1: We got it.

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Speaker 4: So I couldn't go in the club to get my money,

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Speaker 4: so I had to pay some army gooms to stand

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Speaker 4: make sure it came out my money. The first time

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Speaker 4: I made money in real money in this because I

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Speaker 4: want to rap.

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Speaker 1: I went to Dawn and I realized I can make

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Speaker 1: more money being someone who created and helped the culture

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Speaker 1: as supposed to performing in it. Right. So I made

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Speaker 1: like forty three hundred dollars for kids I was eating nights.

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Speaker 4: That's money okay for me at sixty oh, I thought

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Speaker 4: I was pimping dog, but it gave again.

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Speaker 1: It gave me a spark. I went to university.

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Speaker 4: I got a full ride scholarship athletic and academic scholarship

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Speaker 1: Me like I would stabbing myself in the eye with

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Speaker 1: I was complaining, right, But at the same time, I

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Speaker 4: Like CDs at like Taco Bell or RB's or whatever.

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Speaker 1: But I believed in this thing I was doing.

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Speaker 4: And at the certain point, you know, you got a degree,

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Speaker 4: That first month, with all this doubt and fear, one

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Speaker 4: my homegirl back, got some breads and being some rice, worked, worked, worked, work, Man, I.

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Speaker 1: Should quit this, quit all this, get some hard bottoms,

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Speaker 4: Because I was in Texas and all our alumnus were

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Speaker 4: And having the opportunity to do all that, I was

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Speaker 1: Of Robert Fitzgerald Diggs.

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Speaker 4: You might know him better as the Ruler of Zigzag

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Speaker 4: aka the riz from Wute Prince Raking. Back then, you know,

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Speaker 4: oh that song was trash. That song was trash, I

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Speaker 4: and this is what relationships do? You spoke about this

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Speaker 4: sea if the radio state is playing him down there

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Speaker 4: if Jesus Christ is spinning this bitch, you wouldn't get

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Speaker 1: Make a difference. It was. I thought it was terrible.

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Speaker 1: But he's like, can you get the call offs? I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 1: It was on to me. It was on a higher level,

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: Is that why it was? Is that why they were

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Speaker 1: No, it was because of me.

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Speaker 4: I was I was older, I didn't have I didn't

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Speaker 1: Ain't scramped this ship like I mean, you could have.

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Speaker 2: You could have gave you should have put some sleeping

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Speaker 3: I'll try to keep y'all.

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Speaker 3: I'm just trying to keep y'all on brand.

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Speaker 1: Don't be mad at me, no doubt.

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Speaker 4: And my father looks at that. He was in the military,

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Speaker 1: You know. To get back to the thing with the

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Speaker 4: He says, we need to get him a show down

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Speaker 4: Uh again, they knew I could get people in the

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Speaker 4: you bump into a lot of that in this industry,

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Speaker 4: If I'm if I want help this dude recoup his money,

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Speaker 4: I'm not telling you this story right now.

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Speaker 1: I'll put it like that.

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Speaker 4: So we get him down there, We make the stretches

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Speaker 4: even before that, when we picked him up from the airport,

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Speaker 4: I already had the money.

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Speaker 1: Of course it wasn't an check, of course not.

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Speaker 3: So I mean, he still don't take his money in

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Speaker 4: There's a reason for that, right right, So I give

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Speaker 4: him a bag. He looks as his manager, milk Kwan.

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Speaker 4: If you remember Big Dady Kane. Big Daddy Kane has

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Speaker 4: some some people. He would chatter all the time in

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Speaker 4: his songs, shot out to Milkwan and Shabazz like they

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Speaker 4: had the Shabbaz Brother's clothing line back in the early

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Speaker 4: like two thousands, late nineties. But they were management too.

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Speaker 4: Milkwan's dad owned the label that a lot of guys

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Speaker 1: In those guys.

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Speaker 4: So he looked at mil Kwan, He looked him back,

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Speaker 4: looked at Milkwan, looked at me, pulled out five hundred dollars,

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Speaker 4: handed it to me. I'm like, I can't tell you that.

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Speaker 4: He goes, I can't get five hundred dollars for the

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Speaker 4: show in New York, respect too, right, So he doesn't show.

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Speaker 4: After the show is done, We're sitting in the green room,

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Speaker 4: this is not really what I do. I'm really into

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Speaker 4: something grimier. But Tommy Boy didn't want to hear a

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Speaker 4: bunch of dudes on the mic. They didn't want to

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Speaker 4: have to Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five anymore. So

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Speaker 4: she said, I got this group called All In Together.

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Speaker 4: Now we're about to change our name to Wu Tang.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So they gave me a cassette.

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Speaker 4: You know, guys tell you stuff all the time, and

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Speaker 4: of course the song was trash to me, so I

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Speaker 4: ready for my radio show and I'm looking at it

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Speaker 4: and I'm like, it was this wool Tang records, this

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Speaker 4: nasty yellow, green brown label. I'm about to frisbee all

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Speaker 4: these shits. I'm not listening to this. But then I

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Speaker 4: saw a name at the bottom of it. They said

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Speaker 4: for more information, called Prince racquem something Morning Side Morning

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Speaker 1: I'm like, this is not the same cat, but I

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Speaker 4: He's like, peace, who it is? Who I'm in the lab?

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Speaker 4: I'm like, yo, Raquin, Yeah, who is well strict? When

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Speaker 4: he goes, oh, yeah, you got the records, I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: he hadn't paid me to do this promote, he can

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Speaker 4: send me thirty singles. So he says, like, we're trying

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Speaker 4: to do this. We get this thing together. I called

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Speaker 4: my man Kelly, who works in this trade magazine called

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Speaker 4: The Gavin Out in San Francisco. We spec how we're

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Speaker 4: you know, as luck would have it, we get a

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Speaker 1: Cool, we don't know what it's kind of a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Later, the song pops off because when I played the

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Speaker 4: the laughter. To me, that song was trash too. I

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Speaker 4: On the other side of that was a song called

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Speaker 4: protect Your Neck. Aw shit, and I'm like, yo, it's

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Speaker 4: nine dudes on the track, wrap and no hook. How

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Speaker 4: do you sell the step radio? And then I said, wait,

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Speaker 4: wait a minute. Everything that makes it wrong for radio

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Speaker 4: makes it right because nothing else is like this. So

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Speaker 4: you have to change your legs sometimes when you look

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Speaker 4: at things, and the pandemic has allowed us to. If

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Speaker 4: sharper because as black people, and I say, this is

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Speaker 4: no disrespect to anyone else, And when you say no

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Speaker 4: disrespect to anyone else, it's disrespect. But we have always

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Speaker 4: is our history.

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Speaker 1: In North America.

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Speaker 4: And I'm not going to do a deep dive on

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Speaker 4: and all that, but that's who we are. Our backs

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Speaker 4: we turn the trash they gave us into a delicacy

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Speaker 1: That's us.

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00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:16,200
Speaker 4: That's what we do, period. So in figuring that out,

442
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,040
Speaker 4: we get routang. We do the whole thing where we

443
00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,000
Speaker 4: change the music industry, where we get everybody signed to

444
00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,119
Speaker 4: different labels. Right because Steve Riftin, who was the manager

445
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:30,560
Speaker 4: of DMX, was also the guy who ran SRC with

446
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:35,400
Speaker 4: Steve rifting Company, the promotional company before became loud RCA Records.

447
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,440
Speaker 4: So we get all that done, and just like being

448
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,080
Speaker 4: able to have done not only you know, helping get

449
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 4: Routang sign because I went out to the LA for

450
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 4: the album release and my man Ron Hill picked me

451
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 4: up at the airport, those congratulations on making the album.

452
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,440
Speaker 1: Like what do you mean going the studio with them,

453
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 1: were talking about that may Day album and he pops

454
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 1: in a cay set if you guys, I don't know

455
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:00,240
Speaker 1: knows what the case said.

456
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 4: Oh we know, pops in a cassette into the car

457
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 4: and we're listening to it and it goes Ris is

458
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 4: giving shouts out, not shoutouts, because you give the shouts,

459
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 4: not the outs.

460
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 1: I am a syntactician. And at the end of the.

461
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,120
Speaker 4: Song he says, piece to Kelly Moore from the gather,

462
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 4: my man Kelly, who we call to get the message out.

463
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:27,880
Speaker 1: Will Strickland, Jason State.

464
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,240
Speaker 4: My man in Detroit who was doing all the Midwest promotions,

465
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 4: that he remembered to do that, and to this day,

466
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 4: thirty years later, almost every time he goes on and

467
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 4: tells a story about how Mutang started, this man says

468
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,119
Speaker 4: my name, So those are relationships, like he has no

469
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 4: obligation to do that.

470
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 1: At all none at.

471
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,479
Speaker 4: This point, but he does, which shows me a lot

472
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 4: about who he is as a person. And the fact

473
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 4: that how we met what it had to be almost

474
00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 4: fifteen years ago, we met on on over the phone

475
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 4: basically right during serious accent when on bolshot, and the

476
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 4: fact that we still have this connection, that there's a

477
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 4: connective tissues between you know, what we do professionally in

478
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 4: what we are as people that like you said, you

479
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 4: just call up and hey, what's up, and it's like

480
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,120
Speaker 4: we never stopped talking, right, So I respect and love

481
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,439
Speaker 4: you guys for batting me on, and that.

482
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:23,959
Speaker 3: Means there's nothing jobbish.

483
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 2: We love having you on that it's you know, also,

484
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 2: it's just one of those things where you got so

485
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 2: much knowledge and history within so many different areas that

486
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 2: it's really like I don't want to ever take that

487
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 2: for granted, you know what I mean. So it's like

488
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 2: we can get this out to our audience because you know,

489
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:41,679
Speaker 2: it's easy for me to sit at the.

490
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 3: Table and soak up the gems and the jewels and.

491
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 2: Over the tacos and then go back to my life,

492
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like maybe it can help

493
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 2: some other people are like, hello, what you said too

494
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 2: about like reframing your mind about how, especially when you

495
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 2: hear something new and innovative, how it's actually dope because

496
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 2: of what is not doing, you know what I mean?

497
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 3: Because I think people do like a formula, you know

498
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,239
Speaker 3: what I mean? People want everything.

499
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 2: Like with podcasts, and I know for us, we made

500
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 2: creative choices that was like, we're not gonna do what

501
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 2: they told us to do. You know, it's gotta be short.

502
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,959
Speaker 2: You need a break every ten minutes. Throw in some music.

503
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 2: Do this, dude, don't nobody want to hear it? And

504
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 2: it's like, nah, it seemed like people do want to

505
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 2: hear this shit, you know, so maybe you know, but

506
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 2: it's and people will be like, well, how did you

507
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 2: get this that or the other. I'm like, a lot

508
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 2: of it's just because we trusted ourselves. Now, look, it

509
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,199
Speaker 2: could be whack because this is also the formula to

510
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 2: make something whack. Too is don't listen to nobody to

511
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 2: do what you want to do. But at least it's authentic.

512
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

513
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 2: I think when you hear, when you think about the

514
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 2: people in music that we consider to be like the legends,

515
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 2: every last one of them came along at a time

516
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 2: when we were like, I ain't never heard nothing like this, right,

517
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 2: this is different?

518
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, unique? Who is this?

519
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 5: And it could be something as simple as the voice

520
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 5: that cadence you know, uh, their look you know, can

521
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,400
Speaker 5: be the thing that kind of separates them from the

522
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 5: pack and makes them stand out. And I know, for

523
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 5: me personally, it's funny and it also gives me pride

524
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 5: when me and Roger would go out and we would

525
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 5: go to like these seminars and these things about how

526
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,120
Speaker 5: to do the best podcast and everything that they man,

527
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 5: I look at Roger, Roger look at me like, okay, wait,

528
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 5: did we get up there and tell them we ain't.

529
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 3: Following We didn't follow none of those rules.

530
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 5: Like it makes me proud to know that I am

531
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 5: an example of the opposite of everything that you're saying.

532
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, We've been in several of those panels where it's like,

533
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 2: you know, they asking people to speak and it's like,

534
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 2: you know, normally a couple of white dudes in suits

535
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:53,959
Speaker 2: or some shit, you know, Trevor like a dark and

536
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 2: just keep it, you know, let's keep it keep it short.

537
00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 2: No one wants to hear about this. No one wants

538
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 2: to here you talk to your friends and keep the

539
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 2: topics very you know, keep it very part like all

540
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 2: this shit, and I'm just like, you don't have to

541
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 2: do any of it, you know what I mean. Don't

542
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 2: try to advertise and you get this many downloads, You

543
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 2: don't have to do any of.

544
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: That, right.

545
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 5: And what's so funny is that a lot of times

546
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,120
Speaker 5: because me and Roderick kind of like we just grind

547
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 5: and you look up in ten years is gone by.

548
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,919
Speaker 5: You don't realize how much time you've invested into something.

549
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 3: And so a lot of times.

550
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 5: When we talk and we start actually talking about our

551
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 5: stats and our statistics and how many episodes we have,

552
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 5: they look at us like, oh my god. I was like, yeah,

553
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 5: what you're saying. It might work for you, but it

554
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 5: does not mean that formua works for everybody.

555
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 3: Right now?

556
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 2: What was your business in college when you said you,

557
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 2: cause it seemed like you have a background that like

558
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 2: an industry, like I want to own my business or

559
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 2: I want to start a business, Like did that come

560
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 2: from like your childhood, your parents or was that just something

561
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 2: you just innately had?

562
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 3: And then what was that business that you started in college?

563
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 4: I think a lot of it was inspired by the

564
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 4: fact that I saw other people doing it and ask

565
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 4: myself why I couldn't right, And you guys talked about

566
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 4: like doing everything opposite.

567
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 1: There's the authenticity of what you do.

568
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 4: You know, you guys stand out because you're outstanding, right,

569
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 4: And I think what I want to do is stand out.

570
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 4: What I want to do was make sure that what

571
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 4: I presented to the world was going to be so

572
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 4: good that it could be denied. You know, I like

573
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 4: to be in first of everything except being last. So

574
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 4: whether it was I'm dead serious, whether it's doing the

575
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 4: first ever online concert of black music history with Ghost Space,

576
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 4: Capadin and Ray Kwan February eighteenth, nineteen hundred ninety seven,

577
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 4: or when the Internet, Like you have to think about

578
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 4: how old the Internet was. We take it for granted

579
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 4: today in nineteen ninety seven, were still on dialog. Yes,

580
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 4: and to flip that and turn that into platinum albums

581
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 4: and seven different international territories and gold in the United

582
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 4: States eventually going platinum. And my bonus check was the

583
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 4: Noodles that year because I had no idea what the

584
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 4: Internet was about other than I could type something, push

585
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 4: a button in it.

586
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: The stuff to go somewhere and somebody pick it up.

587
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,719
Speaker 1: My boss is still did inter office memos where they

588
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: tied the thing up and put in your inbox. So

589
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: it was a different time altogether.

590
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:32,360
Speaker 4: But what inspired me again was just like knowing it

591
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 4: or asking myself, why can't I do what they do?

592
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 4: So you know, I always wanted to have money, and

593
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 4: some of my early inspiration was seeing my homeboy.

594
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: Any rim could get.

595
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 4: Hit by a car and it's messed up.

596
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: But I figured out how to earn money like that

597
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: until I got busted by my mother.

598
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 3: Earn money how like go out and get hit by

599
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 3: a car.

600
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: You're laughing, you're laughing.

601
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 4: On the black I lived on, there was a tree,

602
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 4: a historic tree that the roots went out into the streets.

603
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 4: So they had a sign that you have to when

604
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 4: you turn the corner you have to kind of slow

605
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 4: down and go around.

606
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: That Eddie was. There's a vacant lot right next to

607
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: the tree.

608
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 4: So these people, these people Cavin in Lynn that lived

609
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 4: in the house right next to the bacon lot where

610
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 4: we used to play football.

611
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: They would say we were making too much noise, that

612
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: we were playing in the street, right, So we played

613
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: in the street.

614
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 4: But if you're playing in the street like this cross street,

615
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 4: the tree is here and if you ride your bike,

616
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 4: and Eddie got hit because the dude didn't slow down

617
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 4: like he's supposed to. He flew through and Eddie was

618
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 4: riding his bike and just kept riding it, didn't stop

619
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 4: anything fifty feet and the air broke his collar bone.

620
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: And left on the whole nine right.

621
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 3: I don't know, So I'm.

622
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,959
Speaker 1: Like, Okay, this tree is big enough. I'm like, they

623
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: can see us. He's gonna get some money. I don't

624
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: know why I was thinking like this list.

625
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 4: There's no thinking like they sue him. I mean, live

626
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 4: in the most relatitious country in the world. We sue

627
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 4: for everything, and as a kid, I knew that.

628
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: So I'm like, okay.

629
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 4: I had my younger brother sitting a tree and point

630
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 4: out any late model vehicles that look kind of new.

631
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 4: They were turning and turning signals on to turn around

632
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 4: the corner. So you can see me acting like I'm

633
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 4: throwing the football like up the street. And when I

634
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 4: see the car, my brother's said, yeah, it's coming, it's coming.

635
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 4: So I do like this like I'm throwing the ball.

636
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 4: And my other brother was behind the tree, so they

637
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 4: have to slow down enough. And then when they slowed down,

638
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 4: my brother would jump on the hood and the little

639
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 4: nerf ball in the air and fall down, and we

640
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 4: get into a whole routine, sir, oh my god, can

641
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 4: you come talk to my parents and hit my brother

642
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 4: and the whole nun The first time we did it

643
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 4: is a dude in a Cadillac Eldorado. I'll never forget it.

644
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 4: It was red with that white thing on the top

645
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 4: of it.

646
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: Right.

647
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 4: Money gets out of the car and we try to

648
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 4: take him to the house and tell get our parents.

649
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 4: No kid, hey, look, put him on a bus, put

650
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 4: him the cab, take him to hospital.

651
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: This never happened. Pulls out five hundred and forty three dollars.

652
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: I'll never forget that, the mount because I was like,

653
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: after he left one to you, one to you for me,

654
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: I made it the scheme right, one to you. Me

655
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: and my brothers. We did that for a whole summer.

656
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: But my brothers weren't smart about how they spent their money.

657
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: They were going out getting stuff and you know, so

658
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: we had like a curt well. It was like the

659
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: shower ride was my my ride in my closet to

660
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: hang my clothes.

661
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 4: So you know, we had a little rubber stoppers. At

662
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 4: the end of it, I was sticking all my money

663
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 4: inside of there. So when moms busted us, she took

664
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 4: all that. They had a little nice little stack. I

665
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 4: gave my mom like seventy two dollars. I'm like, I

666
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,479
Speaker 4: spent money on candy. Mm hmm, lying like my I

667
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 4: was lying my ass off. I had all kinds of

668
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 4: money in there.

669
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: Right.

670
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 4: We had this newspaper scheme too in New York where

671
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,959
Speaker 4: this dude named mister Williams would get like the New

672
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 4: York Post, so he got like five thousand papers, and

673
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 4: he would come the neighborhood and hire kids to sell

674
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 4: the papers. So the daily paper is like twenty five cent, right,

675
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 4: so we would get seventeen cents off of every paper

676
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 4: we sold. He would get eight cents. But we didn't

677
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 4: know he was already making money from the newspaper per

678
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 4: paper sold, plus the flat feet. And so one day

679
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 4: he said it, and.

680
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, you're playing both sides of Eastance. Oh okay,

681
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: I'm a little kid. I'm like maybe thirteen twelve, thirteen, okay, okay,

682
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: So I'm saying mister Williams, I can sell all, you know,

683
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: I sel my all my papers.

684
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 4: One day, I think a quarter that is tied to

685
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 4: a piece of rope and put it in the machine.

686
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: Take all the papers out of two machines. Mister Williams

687
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: is sold five papers. I sold all my papers.

688
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 4: But if you sell, you know, you sell your little

689
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 4: two hundred papers and twenty five cent speech. You got

690
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 4: fifty dollars. I got fifty dollars on my pocket. So

691
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, the dollar the weekend paper.

692
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 3: Is a dollar.

693
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: I got a bunch of churches around my way. Mister Williams,

694
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: I can sell. So the first time I sell him

695
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: clean sell them all. He gets his money. So on

696
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,479
Speaker 1: the dollar paper, he got sixty eight. Since we got

697
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: we got sixty eight, since he got thirty two cents. Right,

698
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: So I'm like, okay, I sold all my papers. My

699
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: little split cool. Next time I do it, I get

700
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: all the papers. Mister Williams only sold twenty papers to day.

701
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was much been.

702
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 4: I wrote it out and I was talking crazy, I said,

703
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 4: so then I got to the point where I said,

704
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 4: mister Willias, make it up. I muself five hundred papers,

705
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 4: some five hundred papers sell, the papers come back. Oh,

706
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 4: so he wants to give me more papers. That's when

707
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 4: I get him. But then my brothers are like, hold up,

708
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 4: you're doing the same thing we're doing. How are you

709
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 4: making more money than us. My brother Chris goes, I'm

710
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 4: gonna tell because I know you're doing something. He already

711
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 4: knew it. So I told them, I said, let me

712
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 4: manage it. I would never give them the dollar paper scheme.

713
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 4: I would get them in the twenty five cent paper scheme,

714
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 4: and I would pick the days when we could do

715
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 4: it with them, right. So the only promise was not

716
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 4: to tell anyone else about it. So my brother told

717
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 4: this kid, Rynnie, who like he grew up as a

718
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 4: hat dancer. Ronnie became a contract killer later on in life.

719
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 3: Old know this guy.

720
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: I'm not joking.

721
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,919
Speaker 4: His parents, his father was worked at GM, got laid off,

722
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 4: tried to get in the game. You can't get in

723
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 4: late and you can't change the player's game in the

724
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 4: ninth Inn. He tried to get in that game and

725
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 4: play the game the wrong way. They killed him. They

726
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:22,919
Speaker 4: killed his mother and father in front of him.

727
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 3: Damn.

728
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 4: So they hung his father in the living room, made

729
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 4: him say, and they raped his mother and the whole night.

730
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: The people who told me the story. When I came

731
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: back to the neighborhood, like this girl who lived next to them,

732
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: Tanya in Washington, had she never.

733
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,240
Speaker 4: Moved back her parents' house their parents died, she stayed

734
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 4: there her. I go down a black I see her.

735
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 4: She don't know what happened in the neighborhood that I

736
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 4: was going. She said, Oh, your man Rynanie's a killer.

737
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, you know, I'm thinking like he's doing

738
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 4: his things. No, he's literally a killer. And she told

739
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 4: me the story was tripping out. But Ronnie, my little brother,

740
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 4: told Ronnie. Ronnie told his mother. His mother called the paper,

741
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 4: killed the whole thing. Checked us again. She checked us again.

742
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 4: I gave my mother like one hundred and twenty dollars.

743
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,720
Speaker 4: I'm like, mom, I didn't do nothing. He was stealing

744
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 4: from us. So she gave it back to me waed

745
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:13,760
Speaker 4: more that summery.

746
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 2: So it's like, did she now would she have taken

747
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty dollars in liure of punishment or

748
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 2: was it like you was giving her one hundred twenty

749
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 2: saying like this is the ill gotten game.

750
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 4: So she was taking it from me. But then I said,

751
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 4: I didn't steal that. I didn't do nothing wrong for it.

752
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 4: He was stealing from us. And she thought about it

753
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,720
Speaker 4: for a second, They're like okay, okay.

754
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 3: And gave it back.

755
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 1: And gave it back woman.

756
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 3: Man, I would have kept.

757
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 2: It over pretended like I was teaching you a lesson

758
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 2: and went down and got me some shoes or something.

759
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:47,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you.

760
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell you right now, ro I had at

761
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 4: least fifteen hundred dollars stashed away in the house inside okay,

762
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 4: in shoes everything. I cut out some old shoes at

763
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 4: the bottom of the shoes and put it. And we

764
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 4: had a man shoes, so I catch him old shoes

765
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 4: and put them in there, keep them up.

766
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 2: They didn't know, So that was just that was just

767
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 2: that was just show your show money, like this is

768
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 2: the you.

769
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 4: Know for your Definitely, No, it was just I left

770
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 4: it in the house on purpose. It's almost like when

771
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 4: I came back from Costa Rica one time, I knew

772
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 4: they were gonna stop me with cuting cigars. Come back

773
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 4: to America. Big black dude wrapped around glasses, blue sweater

774
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 4: stop him in Miami immediately, So you leave just enough

775
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 4: for them to take, but the other ones just stashed away.

776
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 4: So I'm like, oh, sure, I didn't know. I tried

777
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 4: to put other Honduran bands on them. I don't even

778
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 4: smoke cigars just for my father.

779
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 2: Blessed that, so show like you know that's that's like

780
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: it's like when you get robbed, you keep the real

781
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 2: money in your sock, but you got to keep a

782
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: couple of dollars in your pocket because they're not gonna

783
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 2: stop it nothing, but they might stop it, like, well

784
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 2: he only had twenty on them.

785
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: Hey, no, you know what, there's a guy at one

786
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: time that actually put a gun on me.

787
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 4: He's like, yo, I'm hungry. I need some money. I'm like,

788
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 4: I don't want you to kill me. I got some money.

789
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 4: I'm gonna give it to you. But did you think

790
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 4: about selling the gun. It's probably more money you get

791
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 4: from the gun. I wasn't even trying to be funny.

792
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 4: I was just shugking, like you probably get more money

793
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 4: from the gun than robbing me right now.

794
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: And she's like he was sungry. I'm like, dude, I'll

795
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: take you. You something you can give you some money. I

796
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: don't care.

797
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 4: I just don't shoot me right. And you face these

798
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 4: things again. You run up into a certain element when

799
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 4: you grow in a certain place where the life of

800
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,439
Speaker 4: expectancy in areas. And I didn't grow up like great.

801
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 4: I didn't grow up necessarily bad either, but it was

802
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 4: like bad enough that you had that element.

803
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: Around you all the time.

804
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 4: I'm like, dog, I know, I grew up with cats

805
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 4: that didn't make it past eighteen.

806
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: I was the one that got away. You know.

807
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 4: I had a father who kept me away from the cats,

808
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 4: who was like, yo, short is about to go down

809
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 4: and get off the basketball court, or let me buy

810
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 4: you some stickers. I'm like, you know, my father is, man,

811
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 4: you're not gonna let me come home with them kicks.

812
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 4: So they respected that, and they knew that I was

813
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 4: in school. I wasn't in a game like that, but I.

814
00:37:59,120 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: Knew what was going on.

815
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 4: I'll never act like I'm out here some timmy tough

816
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 4: guy ship that's never been, but I'm aware of what's

817
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 4: going on. And I was like, I said, I used

818
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:09,959
Speaker 4: my mind.

819
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: I was. My brother said, you'd have been Franklin Saint

820
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: if we were done. Yeah, my brother was.

821
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 4: Like he said that to me the other day when

822
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 4: we was watching So Fall I'm like, why are you dog?

823
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 4: You thought up and the way you saw ship is

824
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 4: like yeah, but I mean I'm not saying that again,

825
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 4: not to be like, oh yeah he was doing some

826
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 4: criminal masterminds.

827
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: It was. It's just like, you come from a place

828
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: where I didn't get allowance. What the hell is that?

829
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,439
Speaker 4: I didn't hear that word until I got older, until

830
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 4: I asked my father one day for allowance.

831
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: Can I get some allowance? Oh? You already get it? Yeah?

832
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, he said, I allow you to stay in this

833
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,280
Speaker 4: house for fallow, you to eat my food.

834
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: Money came with the raw and that was the end

835
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: of that conversation.

836
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 3: That's the stable of the black community. Man, that allowance.

837
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 2: I allow you to stay here, I allow you to

838
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 2: get food out that fridge.

839
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: You like.

840
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 2: It's like he turned into that scene with Denzel and uh,

841
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 2: what would he played Troy Maximum in that movie with

842
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 2: Viola Davis Fences.

843
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 3: Yes, you ain't giving that speech and it's fun. Ye,

844
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 3: now what say? I got to like you know that

845
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:19,919
Speaker 3: that's one part of the deal.

846
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 5: And it is one of those things too, you know

847
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 5: when it comes to allowance. It's one of those things

848
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 5: where you know, cleaning up and taking care of ship,

849
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 5: that's a privilege.

850
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 3: You know, you ought to be happy.

851
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 5: That's all I'm asking your black ass to do.

852
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: Right, If all you got to do is take out

853
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: the trash every Thursday, what are you talking about? And

854
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: keep your room clean? Come but as our as our friend.

855
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: But Mani Jones said that would be sufficient parenting, sufficient

856
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: daddy and sufficient mommy whatever it is, depending upon who's

857
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: in the household, you know.

858
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's also like a racial thing too, because

859
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,439
Speaker 2: like I remember the first time went down some white

860
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 2: kid's house and they was talking ship today p parents

861
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 2: and I remember being like, this is we live up

862
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 2: the street from each other, but we live in two

863
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 2: different worlds like the f.

864
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,959
Speaker 4: Zarrow parallel universe. Some shit, it's funny you said that.

865
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 4: So I never Dwayne used to try and trick me

866
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 4: and try to tell.

867
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: The story on the on the show.

868
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 4: If for those who don't know, I used to do

869
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 4: a podcast or a radio show on basically ESPN and

870
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 4: Canada called TSN and the show was called one on

871
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 4: one with Willing Dwayne for the news uson Trews that

872
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 4: you choose on the NBA and be ow it's one

873
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 4: on one with William d Wayne only on tsn T fifty.

874
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: You know, you know, you know what it is. And

875
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: he used to always try to get me to tell

876
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: the story. And I have my mother on the show.

877
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 4: We had this thing called Moms Knows Best Right where

878
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 4: we had our moms come on and talk about the

879
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 4: NBA right and talk about us. So Dwayne goes, Missus Strickland,

880
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 4: can you tell us about the flying I said, dog,

881
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 4: don't talk about the flying chicken story. So when you

882
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 4: talk to about the white kid, the first time I

883
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 4: really interacted with like a bunch of white kids.

884
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: There's a kid named John Spragg, single kid like he

885
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: was the only child his parents.

886
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 4: His father's like a high ranking official in the military.

887
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: So I asked if I can go say the night

888
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: at his house. They had a bunch of shit I

889
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: didn't have in my house.

890
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 4: I want to go see that shit. So they let

891
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 4: me go over and we go in the house and

892
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 4: his mother goes.

893
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 1: John, is that you? And he goes, fuck, mom, who

894
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: else do you think it is. I'm like, oh shit,

895
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: it's about to go down. She goes, oh, John, you're

896
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: such a card. You guys, go wash up and get

897
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 1: ready for dinner. On what just happened.

898
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 4: I know my tombstone would have popped up out of

899
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 4: the ground the minute I thought that.

900
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 3: In my Yeah, I had a dude up the street.

901
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 3: His name was Chuckie.

902
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 2: He had a basketball go on his in his driveway

903
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 2: or whatever, and me and my brother go down there

904
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 2: when all the other courses b and be like, oh,

905
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 2: you shoot with you or whatever. And one day we

906
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 2: was going up there, but the car was in the driveway,

907
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 2: you know, and so we're like, all right, cool, we're

908
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 2: gonna get to play today. That's cool because you know,

909
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 2: were assuming it's the same rules a black black parents

910
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 2: be like, uh no, that's it. The cars in the driveway,

911
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 2: you can't play. But he was like, don't worry about that, alcoho.

912
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 3: And he walks in there and he's like, mom, can

913
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 3: you move move a car? Not even can you move

914
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 3: a car? And she was like, checkie, I'm busy right now.

915
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 3: I can't do it. He's like, god, stop being a bitch.

916
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 2: And me and my brother were like, oh, let's get

917
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 2: our ship, like we start packing up, and she was

918
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 2: just like, come on Checkie, give me a.

919
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,439
Speaker 3: Break, and then she went out and moved the car,

920
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 3: and I was like, differ.

921
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 2: It's like when you're a black kid and you watch

922
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 2: a sitcom and you see like how the kids on

923
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 2: the sitcom are, and you're like, the fuck world is this?

924
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: You know? Oh? Well, I tried it. I tried it.

925
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: So I went home and Mom's just making like it

926
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 1: was a bunch of us.

927
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 4: I got three brothers and two sisters, so my mother

928
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,399
Speaker 4: and my father two three brothers, two sisters, and there's

929
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 4: this big china platter of chicken fried chicken like it,

930
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 4: and my moms can burn.

931
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: She can go the gas platter. I go in, Moms,

932
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: I need one hundred dollars to play in this to

933
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: go to this basketball camp.

934
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 4: She don't even look up at it. You know, I

935
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 4: ain't got it, dead serious, dead serious. Some I'm like,

936
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 4: there's some bullshit.

937
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: Make my plate that money.

938
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 4: I said, this will bullshit make my plate. If my

939
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 4: brother was here, you the one you met, you would

940
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 4: confirmed this story.

941
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm walking I'm walking away to walk away.

942
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: I'm walking away like I'm going back to my room

943
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: to go take a shower and get ready for the dinner.

944
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: Next thing, I know, I feel like I'm neoing the matrix,

945
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 1: you know in the explosion scenes where you're walking slow

946
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: motion and.

947
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 4: Shit, That's how I felt. So I'm like, why are

948
00:43:58,440 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 4: these pieces of chicken?

949
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: Wait?

950
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 4: I see pieces of china? Oh my back is I'm

951
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 4: on the floor. And my mother took that tray like

952
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 4: she was on the w w F or w w

953
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 4: E and smashed it across my back.

954
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: And she had a bruisike and she was poking clean

955
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 1: that shup up, pick up that chicken and.

956
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 4: Get the fuck out. I'm like, oh, so, you know,

957
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 4: all kinds of burns on my back.

958
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: Ship with hot chicken, right, it's a good thing.

959
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 4: I had on like a hoodie. I didn't really, it

960
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 4: was just hot, but that hoodie was done.

961
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

962
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 4: And I was so scared to talk to my mother.

963
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 4: I called my father because he got home from work.

964
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 4: I was like, I was trying to come home. I'm like, uh, Dad,

965
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 4: what's up?

966
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: What's up? He already knew what happened. I went to

967
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: see if I was gonna say something.

968
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 3: Of course he knew. You know, you know the first

969
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 3: thing she did get on that you know what your

970
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 3: son did, because it's your you know what.

971
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: So I said, I said that what's up? What's up?

972
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: You had a good thing? Yeah you so, what what

973
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: are you doing? We're about to eat dinner. I talked

974
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 1: to you after and hung up on me. I stayed

975
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: my homeboys house. I stayed my homeboys house until like

976
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 1: they cooled down a little bit.

977
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 4: But yeah, you you can't get out of pocket like

978
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 4: that though. But then, you know, you talk about inspiration

979
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,760
Speaker 4: and why I became so entrepreneurial as you caught it earlier,

980
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 4: the entrepreneurialionaire, and the science behind that term is, you know,

981
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 4: I made a little money, I do a little I

982
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 4: do stuff right, But what keeps me rich is the

983
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 4: people I keep my circumference.

984
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: That gives me.

985
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 4: So you know, when you when you diversify your portfolio

986
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 4: in a way that you have the right assets in

987
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 4: your portfolio, you know you, Ryan Carron, you guys are

988
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 4: part of that, right you guys? Me rich right, rich

989
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 4: in spirit, rich in mind state, like the whole nine.

990
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 4: It means something right. It's as valuable a commodity as

991
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 4: actually having the money. And it sounds utopian and hokey.

992
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 4: Is some shit to some people, but there's a reason

993
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 4: why we're on here doing this right now. And you

994
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 4: got like, there's a reason for it. So I believe

995
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 4: in that whole heartedly, and that's why that kind of

996
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 4: came up. But man, it's just like I always knew,

997
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 4: I didn't want to necessarily work for anyone else. I

998
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 4: wanted to see if I could do it, and I

999
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 4: want to test. You never know the depth of your

1000
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 4: own talent, so you work for yourself. And my father again,

1001
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 4: when I was fifty, I was eating dinner one night

1002
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 4: and he came in smacked me on the shoulder real hard,

1003
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 4: and I'm like, yo, is that food good? Acting rhetorical questions,

1004
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 4: oh man by playing He said, yeah, well enjoy it

1005
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 4: because in a couple of years, you've got to go.

1006
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 4: I always tell my son or my little nephews, like,

1007
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 4: enjoy being kid for as long as you can. But

1008
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 4: at that point, adulthood was creeping up on me. I

1009
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 4: remember going back in my room after I ate dinner,

1010
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 4: and I had this notebook. I still have the notebook.

1011
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 4: It's a book for the autographs, not a famous athlete.

1012
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 4: It's my autograph. Because I was going to the NBA.

1013
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 4: I knew I was going to the NBA.

1014
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, I.

1015
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 4: Needed to make sure it looks good on the basketball,

1016
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,280
Speaker 4: looks good on a kN shirt.

1017
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: I was fifteen.

1018
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 4: I was thinking about writing all view I cool. I

1019
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 4: gotcha right, so and on the back page of that

1020
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,399
Speaker 4: I still have it. My son saw not too long ago,

1021
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 4: it says my life by Will Strickland. And I had

1022
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 4: like a teach heart of things. First thing was military. Nope,

1023
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 4: don't like for people to tell me what to do

1024
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 4: cool nine to five. Nothing wrong with that, but I

1025
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 4: felt like I had something better to offer. Right, academics

1026
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 4: easy big didn't make a B in my life to

1027
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 4: my university first year of Universe.

1028
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: For a second year of university, it's only because he

1029
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: was the one profession on campus who took attendance class.

1030
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 4: So I got a ninth. I got a ninety three

1031
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 4: point four to sixty five minutes class. It wouldn't run

1032
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 4: up to ninety forty give me the A. Ninety three

1033
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 4: was a B at my school, right, So I was

1034
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 4: mad at him, but I had to realize that the

1035
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 4: finger I was playing, I forgot about the other ones

1036
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 4: pointing back at me because I didn't show up for class.

1037
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: At eight o'clock in.

1038
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 4: The morning, I was tired whatever. Right, So school was easy,

1039
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 4: athletics easy. That was done, and then there was criminality.

1040
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: Now there's a certain degree of the criminality I was

1041
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: involved in, as I shining you earlier in the show.

1042
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 1: But there's a certain.

1043
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,720
Speaker 4: Degree I wouldn't go to because I'm allergic to several

1044
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 4: things in life, right, penicillin, sharps, yeah, felonious stupidity, and

1045
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,720
Speaker 4: the smell of men's feet and asses in a confined

1046
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 4: space forever. So I made sure that was not a

1047
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 4: part of the equation. I took all those variable and

1048
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 4: pre the equation that worked for my life, right, and

1049
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 4: then did that did the thing.

1050
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: So playing your works, you can work. You're playing, And

1051
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 1: that's all I did.

1052
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 3: And you saw that. You saw that at that young

1053
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 3: age like you was.

1054
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 2: You was that young, and you was kind of already

1055
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 2: seeing like, yeah, definitely don't want to be these things.

1056
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:17,720
Speaker 2: Definitely want to gravitate towards ease.

1057
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, because my parents, I knew that my parents could

1058
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:22,919
Speaker 4: to not pay for me to go to school, right,

1059
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 4: they couldn't. So I made sure to make that happen

1060
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 4: through my work in school because my father used to

1061
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 4: tell us when we were little, like every Saturday morning

1062
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,399
Speaker 4: we had to clean up the nounce all I want

1063
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 4: to sees assholes and elbows. So you're on your knees

1064
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 4: fr assholes and elbows, right.

1065
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:45,399
Speaker 2: And then with some earth wind and fire in the background. Yeah, dude,

1066
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 2: you remember you just wake up at seven am on

1067
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 2: a Saturday like fun?

1068
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: No, we super Friends came on at six, so we

1069
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: had to be up before that.

1070
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, on Saturday.

1071
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 2: That was the real It was two alarms on Saturday

1072
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 2: when you When I was growing up, it was the

1073
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 2: one for like cartoons, right, you like wake up early

1074
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 2: as possible, you.

1075
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 3: Want to watch all the cartoons.

1076
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 2: But it's a second alarm that your parents waking up

1077
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 2: on a Saturday. And it starts with, uh, you're like

1078
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:21,240
Speaker 2: fun yet the boom? Let me go ahead and turn

1079
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 2: off this damn Scooby, dude, because I already know it.

1080
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 1: Is damn super Friends. Gotta wait.

1081
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 2: Wasn't no DVRs, wasn't no paus, wasn't no were you

1082
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 2: recording this?

1083
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 3: You missed? You just missed the Smurfs. That's just what

1084
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:36,240
Speaker 3: it was.

1085
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, yes, sir. And and and you.

1086
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 4: Know he used to say, if you do what you're

1087
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 4: if you do what you're supposed to do, you can

1088
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 4: do what you want to do later. Yes, And that

1089
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 4: stuck with me and I like to call it. I

1090
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 4: wrote an article for this this blog that I right

1091
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 4: for called Press Basketball, and I had a column called

1092
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 4: the Open Run, which is the name of my podcast

1093
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 4: is basically an extension of that that blog. I wrote

1094
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 4: this thing called my Daddy Tools Now my Daddy's Tool,

1095
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,439
Speaker 4: My Daddy's Tools, My Daddy Tools. If you ever saw

1096
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 4: the show Boardwalk Empire, Chalky White, Michael Kay Williams, who

1097
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 4: plays Omar from the Wire, plays his gangster in Atlantic

1098
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 4: City in the twenties and his I guess the klu

1099
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 4: Klux Klan didn't like that he was selling bootleg whiskey

1100
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 4: in their area, which is everywhere to them, and went

1101
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 4: and killed one of his boys. So they kidnapped the

1102
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,240
Speaker 4: grand Dragon, and he told the dude the story about

1103
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 4: how his father, who was a carpenter, can make stuff.

1104
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 4: He made all the stuff, and this white man showed

1105
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 4: him respect for the first time. He walked to the

1106
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 4: front door of white people's house for the first time,

1107
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 4: and white people saw that.

1108
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: So when they saw that they.

1109
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 4: Tricked his father into coming and making something for them,

1110
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,399
Speaker 4: but instead they hung him from pepper try.

1111
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: So he pulled out.

1112
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 4: His daddy's tools on the table when he's had has

1113
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 4: his grand dragon in front of him all tied up.

1114
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: You though he's going to die, and goes, what are

1115
00:51:58,520 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: you gonna do with these tools?

1116
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,760
Speaker 4: My man says, well, I ain't making no damn bookshelves,

1117
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 4: so he's about to torture. But those are my daddy's tools,

1118
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 4: the tools I need to navigate the world with. He

1119
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 4: gave them to me early, and he always told me

1120
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 4: that good craftsman never blames.

1121
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 1: His tools, right, So you got them.

1122
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 4: Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't figure out how to

1123
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 4: make them work. And when they don't work, don't be like,

1124
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 4: oh it's this, don't make excuses.

1125
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: Do better, move better.

1126
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 4: And so that helped me to you know, start my

1127
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 4: little company in my dorm room and the expand that

1128
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 4: and turn that into working at you know, RCA Records

1129
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 4: because riffing the guys that Loud didn't want someone who

1130
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 4: didn't know their music.

1131
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 1: At the label.

1132
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 4: So I was there, and I think the day I

1133
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 4: got there, I got like mad offers to come work

1134
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 4: somewhere else. And then one of my old bosses from

1135
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 4: when I was doing my own company called me to

1136
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 4: come over to Sony because they had gold Face.

1137
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:06,760
Speaker 1: He's like, we'll trip your your salary. I'm like, what okay?

1138
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: I mean I was.

1139
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 4: I remember signing my contract to the Fountain Blue Hotel

1140
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 4: in Miami to go over there, and I was barely

1141
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 4: at RCA long enough to do. But I did enough

1142
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 4: with like Sante Savage and like Wu Tang and Dave

1143
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 4: Matthews Band and Garth Brooks use Christianes all the time.

1144
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: I'm doing all kinds of stuff. God was supposed to

1145
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: be just the rat guy.

1146
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 4: But I knew music right and went over to uh

1147
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 4: Epic and did the first ever online constant of black

1148
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 4: music of history with Ghosts and Captain all them.

1149
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: And I remember the day they told me.

1150
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 4: I got there and like, we spend a million dollars

1151
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,280
Speaker 4: with this budget already we put out three singles, three videos,

1152
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 4: no real plane.

1153
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,359
Speaker 1: We need you to reintegorate.

1154
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 4: Sales on this album, and you don't have any money

1155
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,800
Speaker 4: used to do it. I said, Yosha to fire me today,

1156
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,399
Speaker 4: yoshould let me go. Give me my settlement right now,

1157
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 4: but again, my father the tools and it's enough, don't

1158
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 4: It's not to say that my mother wasn't integral and

1159
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 4: all that, because it couldn't happen with out part period,

1160
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 4: Like for me to be able to do the things

1161
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 4: I wanted to do, she had to co sign on it, right, so,

1162
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 4: you know, figuring out how to get that money from

1163
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 4: the label even though they said they didn't have it,

1164
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 4: and like, I put my job on the line.

1165
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: Cool.

1166
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,439
Speaker 4: My son's mother was like, you're stupid, but there's something

1167
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 4: I believed in when you decided to start your podcast,

1168
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 4: right when you were tired of working for somebody else.

1169
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 4: You're like, I'm going to test the depths of my talent.

1170
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 4: Karen had to co sign on that too, Like that, Yo,

1171
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 4: I'm not even trying to be funny.

1172
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 3: This is that's not a joke.

1173
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: Thing. It's not an unilateral thing at all. You guys

1174
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,359
Speaker 1: are in concert. She had to be like she could

1175
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: have been like ride, you're stupid, this is never gonna work,

1176
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:50,399
Speaker 1: or she said, Okay, Roy, I see your vision. I'll

1177
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 1: be on the I remember you talked about it on

1178
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: my show. I'll be on the first show.

1179
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 4: And you end up being on all the shows because

1180
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 4: you saw it would not work without you, Karen, the

1181
00:54:58,520 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 4: same way I talked about my mother.

1182
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,879
Speaker 1: It would not I worked without you. Right, No, that's

1183
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: the truth. I'm not that's not octane.

1184
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 3: I agree, that's real.

1185
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 4: So just just understanding that he gave me this stuff,

1186
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 4: and I took this stuff when I was at at

1187
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 4: EPIC and did this online concert and changed the trajectory

1188
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,439
Speaker 4: of everything. And then you know, my bosses got fired

1189
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 4: and they were like, you can stay.

1190
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:25,399
Speaker 1: But when the new administration came in, you could stay,

1191
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 1: but you know you would take a bakut. I'm like,

1192
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 1: my little money gonna make.

1193
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:32,879
Speaker 4: The difference between Sony's bottom line, so you tripping, I'm

1194
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 4: gonna get my settlement, right.

1195
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: I took my settlement. I went and did this thing.

1196
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:38,839
Speaker 4: As I said earlier, I like to be in first

1197
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 4: with everything except being less, and created the first ever

1198
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,959
Speaker 4: online not the first ever online constant, but the first

1199
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 4: ever at University of credited course on hip hop culture.

1200
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: At the University of Massachusetts.

1201
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,760
Speaker 4: Amherst called edutainment to impact the hip hop and American

1202
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 4: culture because I was tired of other people trying to

1203
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 4: tell my story.

1204
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: Instead of complaining about it.

1205
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 4: I did something about it, acting instead of reactive, and so,

1206
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 4: you know, speaking I was they had Harbor used to

1207
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 4: have this hip hop conference. I spoke on this at

1208
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:14,280
Speaker 4: this conference. I guess my whole thing that the panel

1209
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 4: we were on was about hip hop and education and

1210
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,359
Speaker 4: how it could be a viable and valuable.

1211
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: Educational tool in schools. And this is back in the nineties,

1212
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: late nineties. So it's me and.

1213
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 4: This guy from Harbor and I think he was from

1214
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 4: Yale or Brown or something like that. He was a

1215
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 4: black dude, but he had to, you know, he looked.

1216
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 4: You talked about conditioning and what you're used to and

1217
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 4: like doing it one way and how you do the podcast.

1218
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 4: This guy was tweet jack and the swede patches pipe

1219
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 4: in his pocket, nose in the air, like he was

1220
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 4: that dude, and I was a dude with the backwards

1221
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 4: back baseball cap, backpack on baggy jeans, a whole non.

1222
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 4: So he looked at me. He didn't know I had degrees.

1223
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 4: He didn't know I had a master's in Entertainment law.

1224
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:56,479
Speaker 4: He didn't know I had this triple mat. He didn't

1225
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,320
Speaker 4: know any of that. And it didn't We shouldn't have

1226
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 4: to wear our degrees on our forehead, are confident, so

1227
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 4: I'm not worried about that.

1228
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna rock while rock, And that's Russell Simmons in me.

1229
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 4: Russell Simmons told me a story about that, and if

1230
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:09,839
Speaker 4: we ever get a chance to talk about that, I'm

1231
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 4: gonna tell you. But I'm there and we're speaking, and

1232
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 4: I guess he figured he could try to refute everything

1233
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 4: I was saying, so I would get up and smack

1234
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 4: him in this bladder box and he could say, see,

1235
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 4: look at how they do.

1236
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 3: Yep.

1237
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 4: But instead of being with these, I mean with this

1238
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 4: so much so that he got off the stage in tears.

1239
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 4: He was like mad, and people were clapping, and these

1240
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 4: people from the University of Massachusetts came up to me

1241
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 4: and said.

1242
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 2: Well, that's because you didn't know black people had picked

1243
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 2: on him his whole life.

1244
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 3: Will okay? They told him he talked, you taped something

1245
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 3: something you didn't even know you were sitting.

1246
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: No, he was.

1247
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 3: He got off there. I said, God, damn it, it's

1248
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 3: always like this. One of them got in here.

1249
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 1: No, it was you. It was you guy. It was

1250
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 1: you guys.

1251
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 4: Everything that he thought was gonna happen did not happen. Right,

1252
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 4: we did it differently. We changed our lens. I could

1253
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 4: have got up and smacked him. It was easy enough.

1254
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 4: I'm six, took five to well back then it was

1255
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 4: like six five twenty five.

1256
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 1: But I was smacked, like all the lucky charms out

1257
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 1: of this fucking forehead, blue.

1258
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 4: Diamonds and green clothes everywhere. Right, I didn't, right, because

1259
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 4: I could do, I could talk. I can use my

1260
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 4: mind to beat you. And so these people came up

1261
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 4: there like, would you like to teach your course on

1262
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 4: hip hop coats?

1263
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, what world? Yeah?

1264
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 3: Had you ever?

1265
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 2: Had you ever thought about doing that beforehand? Or was

1266
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 2: it like when they presented you with the idea, you

1267
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 2: were just like, Okay, I hadn't thought of this, but hell, y'all.

1268
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 3: Want to do it?

1269
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 1: That's a great question.

1270
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 3: That's what I do?

1271
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 1: You do you do? I think that.

1272
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 4: Maybe kind of in a cursory fashion, because I was

1273
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 4: I was actually in the day group.

1274
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 1: Look at what they are doing to us, and I

1275
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 1: would complain.

1276
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 4: But now the opportunity to do something about what I

1277
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 4: was complaining about presenting itself. Was I gonna fold like

1278
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 4: a lawn chair or step up to the play So

1279
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 4: in that moment, I was.

1280
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I'll do it, and they said, well, you

1281
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: come up the curriculum and give us the call. You

1282
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: can have the class.

1283
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 4: SA whoa shit, I never taught before, right, But again,

1284
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 4: here's a challenge, and here's what is innate in us

1285
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 4: to take nothing and to turn it into something. I

1286
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 4: had the educational background, I had the cultural background. How

1287
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 4: do I turn that into something that I can present

1288
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 4: to the halls of the academia and intelligentsia.

1289
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 3: And what year was there? What year was this?

1290
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 1: This is nineteen ninety seven.

1291
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 2: Okay, so I just twenty ninety eight, right, And I

1292
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 2: just want to point out because I think now it's

1293
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 2: two twenty one.

1294
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 3: So like now people see it's easy to see like

1295
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 3: what is out now and take it for granted.

1296
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 2: But nineteen ninety seven, people weren't looking at hip hop

1297
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 2: as something that should be edified and taught in the

1298
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 2: halls of academia.

1299
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 3: They didn't want to say anything long term.

1300
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 2: They weren't looking at as legitimate. Hip hop was supposed

1301
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 2: to die like it was. I remember, it was supposed

1302
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 2: to be a bad Tupac died. Yeah, Tupac died. There

1303
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 2: was no there was no thought of.

1304
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: It being in academia.

1305
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 3: Yeah it was.

1306
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 2: It was this is violent, this is uh most mostly

1307
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 2: uh you know, a fad, this is passing. This is

1308
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 2: just what black people do now. It's not like rock

1309
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 2: and roll, it's not like jazz, and the history of

1310
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 2: it will never matter who made this music. We didn't

1311
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 2: celebrate those people who are legends now. We didn't celebrate them.

1312
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 2: People didn't even pay them. So like to then be like,

1313
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 2: all right, enough, teach on this from scratch, like you

1314
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 2: figure out what to teach about it, and then you

1315
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 2: come and teach. I just felt like, that's a that's

1316
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 2: a mind blowing moment that happened, andineteen ninety seven that

1317
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 2: now people take it for granted.

1318
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, And the way you put it is so great

1319
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 4: because it wasn't like I had algebra or Shakespeare or

1320
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 4: some shit to fall back on some foundations before that.

1321
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 1: I built the foundation, right.

1322
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 4: But I'll be remiss not to acknowledge that there are

1323
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 4: classes on aspects of the culture, whether it be.

1324
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 1: The poetry or tupac or whatever.

1325
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 4: But no one talked about the socio economics, social geographic,

1326
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 4: social gender issues, all this stuff.

1327
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 1: The foundation, the app for essence by which the culture

1328
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 1: came to be. I did that. You know, I'm talking.

1329
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 4: About the poetry of Tupac is hip hop, but it's

1330
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 4: not hip hop culture and understanding what it is.

1331
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 2: I did that, right, Because even when you do it

1332
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 2: for when you say, like, these are the poems of

1333
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 2: nas or whatever.

1334
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 3: You know, shout out to J. J.

1335
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 1: Reddick.

1336
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 2: When you do that, you're still saying like I'm elevating

1337
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 2: him out of the art and saying he surpassed what.

1338
01:01:58,480 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 3: This genre is.

1339
01:01:59,560 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: Like.

1340
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 2: No, the genre is also on this own echeline that

1341
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 2: should be celebrated.

1342
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 3: Right.

1343
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 4: Well, I let people know that there's a difference between

1344
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 4: rap music, which is the music.

1345
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 1: Of the culture, and the culture in it of itself.

1346
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 1: So to quote the.

1347
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 4: Great and immortal Negro postmodern contemporary literary giant Lawrence Kristin Parker,

1348
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 4: rap is something you do.

1349
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: Hip hop is something you live.

1350
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 4: And so the lifestyle of hip hop is one thing,

1351
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 4: the industry of it is something else. And to be

1352
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 4: able to go in and say to them, okay when

1353
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 4: they said we'll come up the curriculum, my whole chess case.

1354
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 4: But I'm like, okay, what do I do? Some I'm

1355
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 4: starting to think like, Okay, I'm reading all these books.

1356
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 4: I'm trying to get ready, but I don't know how

1357
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 4: to teach. I don't know how to put all this together.

1358
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 4: And then I said, wait a minute. I'm working hard,

1359
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 4: but I'm not working smart. I don't have Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln.

1360
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 4: I got hurt and bought a Flashcarris One, Russell Simmons,

1361
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 4: Queen Latifa, and she's like people I know that can

1362
01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 4: contact who made the history. I don't have to go

1363
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 4: to a editor who does not have a vested interest

1364
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 4: in my culture instead of have the people who created

1365
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 4: I go to UMass.

1366
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 1: And tell them what I want to do.

1367
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 4: They're like Pumper breaks homeboy, there's still an institution of

1368
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 4: higher learning. You have to use last text because that's

1369
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 4: how I've been conditioned to teach. So, okay, I have

1370
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 4: to fall in line because.

1371
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 1: I'm new here.

1372
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 4: And just like when I was coming to Texas and

1373
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 4: wanted to DJ, I figured out I could be more

1374
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 4: effective inside than being on the outside complaining.

1375
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 1: So I felt I said, okay, we get some books.

1376
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 4: And the books were this book called Black Noise by

1377
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 4: Tricia Rose, which is at the time the Bible of

1378
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:43,920
Speaker 4: hip hop pedagogy at the time, and she was an outsider.

1379
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 4: She was a writer, but she wasn't in the culture

1380
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 4: like that. Then there was another book called Dropping Science

1381
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 4: by William Eric Perkins, whose son took and failed my class,

1382
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 4: oddly enough, and.

1383
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 2: Because even having a whole life and not listening to

1384
01:03:58,320 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 2: his dad.

1385
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 4: Right, that's so accurate. And I had to correct some

1386
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 4: stuff in his daddy's book. But that's a whole another conversation.

1387
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 4: And then the final book that I use was called

1388
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 4: Black Culture Industry, which by Ellis Cashmore, which begs two

1389
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 4: very basic questions. Is there such thing as black culture,

1390
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 4: which we all know there is, but the real important

1391
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 4: question was do black people own it?

1392
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 1: And so I used those books.

1393
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:31,920
Speaker 4: I used a field trip to where I did the

1394
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 4: first ever online concert with Ghost Kaptain Raydadi hip hop

1395
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 4: dot Com.

1396
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 1: We had tests and everything, and then.

1397
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 4: I have to go and pitch the class, right, but

1398
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 4: I still don't know how to do. I don't know

1399
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 4: what I know what a syllabus looks like, but I

1400
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 4: never put one together before. And so I'm taking the

1401
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 4: shower a week before my review, and I'm scared because

1402
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 4: I'm about to feel and again I'm allergic to failure.

1403
01:04:57,040 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 1: I am. That's one of the things I was alerted

1404
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 1: to that I left off earlier.

1405
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 4: And I'm in the shower, and I don't know why

1406
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 4: I'm thinking about the karate kid. I'm not like the

1407
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 4: Rob Machio. What's his name, Marita, pat Marita?

1408
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, one, you know.

1409
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,440
Speaker 4: And if people don't know the story out there that

1410
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 4: they might be thinking Jaden Smith and Jackie Chan that's

1411
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 4: not the one I'm talking about.

1412
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 2: That is also good. But but we're talking about wax

1413
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 2: On wax.

1414
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:30,480
Speaker 1: South, Yes, sir, so you know. So the idea is this,

1415
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 1: So the kid comes to school, he's a new kid,

1416
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 1: and all the girls like the new boy because he's

1417
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 1: the new boy. But all the old boys don't like

1418
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 1: the new boy because the girls like the new boy.

1419
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 1: Got me, so they jump them. I was getting jumped

1420
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 1: the the the the janitor or director of custodio affairs,

1421
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 1: because we're living a canceled culture. I don't want to

1422
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 1: disrespect the abs. Janitor out here comes out, he saves him.

1423
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 1: Son's on the ground holding speed. Not like yo, I

1424
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 1: want to learn how to do that. He says, all right,

1425
01:05:58,600 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 1: come to my house. I'll show you how to do it.

1426
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 1: But oh, he has him doing this, painting the fence,

1427
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:04,919
Speaker 1: sending the floors, waxing and coross flax on waxlow, wax

1428
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 1: off right. One day he's like, yo, I'm out. I'm done.

1429
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 1: After I'm done today, I'm not coming back. He goes. Why.

1430
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 4: He goes, you got me here as your slave. I

1431
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 4: came to learn how to do karate and he goes, okay,

1432
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 4: show me what you learn. He says, show me paint

1433
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 4: the fence. Son is frustrated, so he's flailing his arm

1434
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 4: and he says, no, show me how I showed you.

1435
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 4: He does it right, Mister Miyagi throws a punch. He

1436
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 4: blacks the punch. It doesn't click in his mind what

1437
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 4: just happened. Then he says, show me send the floor.

1438
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 4: Miss Mayagie kicks. He blots that kick, and that's when

1439
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 4: it clicks in that the work he was doing was

1440
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 4: merely the vehicle by which he could learn his discipline.

1441
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 1: Which was karate. R.

1442
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 4: I almost broke my leg jumping out of a shower

1443
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 4: to get a bar sohoop to write my idea on

1444
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 4: the mirror because I didn't want to forget it, and

1445
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 4: I went and I told so, I'm sitting in front

1446
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 4: of this panel of old, like sixty five year old

1447
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 4: white Anglo Saxon Protestant males who had no idea about

1448
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:01,640
Speaker 4: my culture. They're going to make a decision on how

1449
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 4: if I'm going to teach this something that's never been

1450
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 4: taught before, they can tell me what's gonna happen. Really,

1451
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:09,440
Speaker 4: I don't even know what's gonna happen, and I know

1452
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 4: more about it than they do. So I tell them

1453
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 4: the same story about the karate Kid, and I'm like, okay,

1454
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 4: if I can if he taught without teaching, So if

1455
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 4: I can take these kids of different ethnicities, backgrounds, all

1456
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 4: this stuff to talk about something they all think they

1457
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 4: have a commonality in, which is hip hop culture.

1458
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 1: What else do you think I can get them to

1459
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 1: do together? Right? So I go, I pitch it.

1460
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 4: At the end, this one white dude stands up and

1461
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 4: these are his exact words, pulls up his fans and goes,

1462
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 4: that's the most amazing shit I've ever heard in my life.

1463
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 4: What made you come in here to talk about teaching this.

1464
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 1: Hippie hop stuff? By tell them us about the karate kid?

1465
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:51,000
Speaker 4: I said, well, sir again, if I speak in the

1466
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 4: language of my culture, if I speak in the language

1467
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 4: of the street, there's a disconnect. I'm allergic to failure, right,

1468
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 4: But I speak in lay terms and the terms that

1469
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 4: everyone knows because we all I've seen the Karate kid.

1470
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 4: I never have to say one time in telling you

1471
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:07,000
Speaker 4: how I'm going to teach my class. And I signed

1472
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 4: my contract that day, damn. And I remember going to

1473
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 4: class for the first time, and I was so nervous.

1474
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:13,720
Speaker 4: I still didn't know.

1475
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:16,600
Speaker 1: How to teach it. I was figuring I was going

1476
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:18,720
Speaker 1: to present and see how it's going to fall out.

1477
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:22,599
Speaker 4: And I get the class and one of my long adfricant,

1478
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 4: the whole African American.

1479
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 1: Studies Department that you mass was like this guy, doctor

1480
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:28,639
Speaker 1: John Bracy. Loved him to death.

1481
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 4: He said, come to my house and we'll go get

1482
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 4: something to eat before your class. My class was a

1483
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 4: seven o'clock and seven to nine o'clock on Monday nights.

1484
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:42,679
Speaker 4: So I was driving up to New York to Springfild

1485
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:47,720
Speaker 4: past springo Amherst, Massachusetts to do the class. And he

1486
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:52,719
Speaker 4: took me this fancy restaurant called KFC, and we sat

1487
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 4: down and started talking about what we were going to eat,

1488
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 4: and he said I thought he was going to impart

1489
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:02,120
Speaker 4: some deep dope wisdom on about how to teach this class.

1490
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 1: You know what he said to me, be you. How

1491
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 1: do you think you got here in the first place?

1492
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:11,640
Speaker 1: So you guys talking about authenticity in your show, be you.

1493
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:14,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay.

1494
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:17,760
Speaker 4: So I go in and when I first got the

1495
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:19,960
Speaker 4: first student manifest, it's only twenty seven students on the

1496
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 4: manifest in the school of twenty seven thousand.

1497
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 1: I was kind of disappointed. Is of course on hip

1498
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 1: hop culture.

1499
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they are college students.

1500
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 4: But when I show up, it's I thought it was

1501
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 4: a fight or a fire. It was so many people

1502
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:34,840
Speaker 4: outside the building and in the stairwell. They were trying

1503
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:36,960
Speaker 4: to get in this classroom. They've set up with fifty desks,

1504
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 4: So there's fifty students, not too big for me to

1505
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:42,280
Speaker 4: not control them, but big enough to make an impact

1506
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:42,759
Speaker 4: on campus.

1507
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 1: I thought it come, be big enough.

1508
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 4: These kids are coming in here and I'm walking through

1509
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 4: the crowd and I'm like, oh shit. I get the

1510
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 4: room and I try to get everybody. You know, it's

1511
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:53,720
Speaker 4: a total fire code violation. I'm going to jail if

1512
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:58,640
Speaker 4: something happens, that's hereious, excuse me, and we get in

1513
01:09:58,680 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 4: there's a front door.

1514
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 1: In the back door. We get everybody in there. People

1515
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 1: say the.

1516
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:04,679
Speaker 4: Desk, stand it up, and we're all in the room

1517
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 4: and I'm walking around the room and doing recount. I'm listening, Yo, dog,

1518
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 4: I heard all you had to do was say rhyme

1519
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 4: in this class, you're getting a what.

1520
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 1: Go somewhere else in the room. Yo.

1521
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 4: I heard this class with like music appreciation where the

1522
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:23,720
Speaker 4: professor comes in and says, would you guys like to

1523
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 4: hear some music? And we say, we appreciate that, and

1524
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:28,800
Speaker 4: we getting a music appreciation that is seriously like doing

1525
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 4: it like that.

1526
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:31,600
Speaker 1: So I run to the front of the room and

1527
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 1: jump up on the desk because guess what.

1528
01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 4: I'm dressed just like them. They don't know I'm a profession.

1529
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:39,800
Speaker 4: They had no there's no internet for them to see

1530
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 4: me on we had the internet, they couldn't see me.

1531
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 3: So you had to do like dad, poet. You had

1532
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 3: to get up there like my captain. My captain.

1533
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 1: Hey, you know, hey, listen. They thought they thought I

1534
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:56,759
Speaker 1: was one of the students. They were like, get on, stupid.

1535
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 1: The professor's coming up there like real quick before he

1536
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 1: shows up, how are you here?

1537
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 4: And here are hip hop experts? So you know, it's

1538
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 4: all kinds of noise. People are raising their hands and

1539
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 4: like I make a big deal to point all of

1540
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 4: them out and like, yo, okay, we're all gonna be

1541
01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:11,600
Speaker 4: like our tas.

1542
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:12,920
Speaker 1: And the like, you know, keep your hands up and

1543
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 1: have everybody standing up.

1544
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 4: You know how we're gonna do this, and you're gonna

1545
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 4: help us by fucking leaving m It got so quiet

1546
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:27,439
Speaker 4: you can hear a mouse piston on cot right, and

1547
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 4: I said, no, get the alligat. They got alligator arms

1548
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 4: and shit like look, get him up, get him up,

1549
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:37,080
Speaker 4: because if if you're an expert, you don't need to

1550
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:39,599
Speaker 4: take me to this class. I am the professor. I'm

1551
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 4: the professor here right, and from the I took attendance.

1552
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:45,040
Speaker 4: I don't take attendance. If you're an adult and you

1553
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 4: pay for school, you show up, you show up. So

1554
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:49,519
Speaker 4: I took attendance that day. It was like almost three

1555
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 4: hundred students in that class. By Dropp week, it's forty

1556
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:52,200
Speaker 4: seven students.

1557
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 2: Wow.

1558
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:54,840
Speaker 1: Three students got a's in that class because they figured

1559
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:56,720
Speaker 1: out what the class was about. It wasn't about hip

1560
01:11:56,760 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 1: hop culture. It's about the effects of communication across class line,

1561
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 1: social lines, gender lines, and racial lines. I just utilized

1562
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 1: hip hop culture is the way to tell that story.

1563
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 1: And so that was you know, I'm supposed to be

1564
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 1: writing a book.

1565
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:14,559
Speaker 4: Hopefully Jesse Washington helps me write the book twenty five

1566
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:16,840
Speaker 4: years after it happened. So twenty twenty three is when

1567
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:19,559
Speaker 4: we're looking to drop it and just talk about the

1568
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 4: transition between that. But being able to take a culture

1569
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 4: that I grew up in, you know, and put that

1570
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:30,400
Speaker 4: in the hall to academia and you see classes all

1571
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:33,439
Speaker 4: over the world now on hippop culture, and that people

1572
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:35,880
Speaker 4: paid me to come talk about it, like the same

1573
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:38,599
Speaker 4: stuff I talked to you guys about that somebody pays

1574
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 4: me to do.

1575
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 1: That is amazing to me.

1576
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 2: And you say, you say you moved down to Texas

1577
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 2: where you moved from New York or like no.

1578
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 1: I was boxing back and forth between between New York

1579
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:52,680
Speaker 1: and Detroit my grandmother and hold on. But moved down

1580
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 1: to Texas and did my.

1581
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 4: Last year and a little bit of high school down

1582
01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:58,760
Speaker 4: there and then went on to Rice.

1583
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 3: And then what about basketball man?

1584
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 2: Because you know, you also you got full Court twenty one.

1585
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:08,840
Speaker 2: But you also, you know, talk sports out. I've listened

1586
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:12,160
Speaker 2: to you talk sports on all balls, on bounds, filling

1587
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 2: in football MONI also, y'all used to be on serious radio,

1588
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:19,080
Speaker 2: So like, I know, sports is also a big thing,

1589
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:20,480
Speaker 2: especially basketball.

1590
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 3: So like, what was your path to that I heard you.

1591
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:25,360
Speaker 2: Allude to, you know, being good at high school and

1592
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:28,200
Speaker 2: getting going to college to play ball too.

1593
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:31,760
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know I did all right, you know,

1594
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:36,360
Speaker 1: and I had my guy Bren Scott on the podcast

1595
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:40,120
Speaker 1: last week who talked about it. Look strict, I know that.

1596
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:40,880
Speaker 1: You know.

1597
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:43,679
Speaker 4: What I admire about you is that you never really

1598
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:46,720
Speaker 4: got to show all your talents in college. But what

1599
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 4: people fail to realize is that NBA scouts are in

1600
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:52,640
Speaker 4: our gym every day. Because I lived in Houston, the

1601
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 4: summit where they used to play was like maybe eight

1602
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 4: minutes away from my campus, right, So guys would come

1603
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:00,439
Speaker 4: and work out in there from other teams when they

1604
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 4: couldn't get the practice court at the Houston Rocket Spot.

1605
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 1: So you know, they saw what we can do.

1606
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:08,400
Speaker 4: They saw what I could do, and when I did play,

1607
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:10,599
Speaker 4: I played pretty well, right, But I didn't have the.

1608
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 1: Most stellar college career effort, but relationships helped me a lot.

1609
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:18,439
Speaker 1: And so after I finished playing in school, I tried

1610
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 1: out for two NBA teams, eventually the Houston not the

1611
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 1: Houston Racts, the San Antonio Spurs, and the Toronto Raptors.

1612
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:27,760
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, Puff paid for me to

1613
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 1: have a trainer while I was working at Bad Boy,

1614
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 1: so I get ready to play in Toronto.

1615
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 4: So as much as as much as we've been shitting

1616
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 4: on him for his letters to Corporate America, he's.

1617
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 1: Calling from inside the house, y'all.

1618
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 4: You know, the fact of the matter is I have

1619
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:46,280
Speaker 4: to treat every situation as an individual situation.

1620
01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:47,800
Speaker 1: I know what he does is a paper game, so

1621
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 1: whatever the case might be. But like he didn't have

1622
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:51,960
Speaker 1: to look out like that he used to be. Like

1623
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 1: the funny part is a lot of people don't realize.

1624
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:58,640
Speaker 4: In a strange kind of obtuse way, Puff used to

1625
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:01,560
Speaker 4: work for me in Uptown for a minute, and so

1626
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:03,599
Speaker 4: they came in one day and our boss was about

1627
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 4: to fire everyone. We thought he was firing the VP

1628
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 4: of n R And he goes Game one in this building,

1629
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 4: do this fucking job in the intern that came in

1630
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:15,720
Speaker 4: the shirt and tie every day, even though all the

1631
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:18,560
Speaker 4: other interns had the New York uniform more and he

1632
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:23,120
Speaker 4: fitted hangs white T shirt five or one blues Timberlands.

1633
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:24,719
Speaker 1: It was different. He stood out.

1634
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 4: Because he was outsteading right, and he raised his hand

1635
01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:30,280
Speaker 4: in the meeting and went from intern at VP of

1636
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 4: A and R just because he raised his hand, just

1637
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 4: because he believe nothing what he was doing.

1638
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:37,920
Speaker 1: And so then he was walking down with no shirt on.

1639
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:39,200
Speaker 1: But he had reason to.

1640
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 4: He went up to Yonkers and got this girl was

1641
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:43,920
Speaker 4: kind of rough around the edges like the smoke weed,

1642
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:48,000
Speaker 4: and drank real hard, cussed like a sailor. He swagged

1643
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 4: her out. Can I say swag?

1644
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm fifty, I'm fifty dogs.

1645
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:56,920
Speaker 3: You know you know's against you here, no doubt.

1646
01:15:57,280 --> 01:15:58,680
Speaker 1: And he turned her into Marry J.

1647
01:15:58,800 --> 01:15:59,599
Speaker 3: Blotch Wow.

1648
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 4: And then he took these country boys from North Carolina

1649
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:05,400
Speaker 4: who was in overalls, slagged them out and turned them

1650
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:08,400
Speaker 4: into Joda scene. He was seeking the lights on at uptown.

1651
01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:11,439
Speaker 1: Christopher Williams and Blessed Dead Heavy d weren't in nesily

1652
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:14,680
Speaker 1: keeping the lights on. It couldn't be two Kings of

1653
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:15,120
Speaker 1: the Jungle.

1654
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:18,479
Speaker 4: So this is the Jerry McGuire moment that Puff had

1655
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 4: when Andre fired him and he was running out, like,

1656
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:21,760
Speaker 4: who wants to go with me?

1657
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:23,639
Speaker 1: I saw my boss raises it and I knew who

1658
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 1: was a I knew who the winning team was.

1659
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:28,400
Speaker 4: I'm out and went to this little label that we

1660
01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 4: helped start called bad Boy, and that's how he paid

1661
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:33,200
Speaker 4: for me to go to play.

1662
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:34,599
Speaker 1: So I was working at bad Boy at the time.

1663
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:37,080
Speaker 1: I remember I was telling a story about how people

1664
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:38,600
Speaker 1: don't realize people.

1665
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:43,880
Speaker 4: Think that like Biggie and Blessed Dead Craig Craig Mac

1666
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:48,439
Speaker 4: were the first signees. The first signee was a guy

1667
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 4: by the name is Jesse West from this group called

1668
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:52,040
Speaker 4: Third I. If you look at the Dolly My Baby

1669
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:56,679
Speaker 4: remix video with Puff, Biggie, super Cat and Jesse West

1670
01:16:56,720 --> 01:16:59,160
Speaker 4: in it, when you hear Puff rhyming that song, you

1671
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:00,400
Speaker 4: can tell Jesse Roy is run.

1672
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:01,720
Speaker 1: That's because he been.

1673
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:03,720
Speaker 4: That was the first thing that Puff ever did with

1674
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:07,639
Speaker 4: Biggie was that song that remix, right, and he signed

1675
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 4: off of that. And then when we dropped Juicy and

1676
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 4: Flavor in Your Ear, Flavoring Ear took off immediately.

1677
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 1: Right.

1678
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:18,960
Speaker 4: Juicy was a slow burn because when Big first came in,

1679
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:21,439
Speaker 4: he wanted to do machine gun funk. You know, he

1680
01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:24,000
Speaker 4: wanted to be from the streets, like, nah, it's not

1681
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:27,679
Speaker 4: gonna work, right, So Puff sold them on Juicy. Everybody

1682
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:30,120
Speaker 4: knew the m two May song the all time, you know,

1683
01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:33,760
Speaker 4: from Saturday mornings and cleaning up the house, right, and

1684
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:36,200
Speaker 4: so he's like he sold him on that.

1685
01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:39,120
Speaker 1: It was a slow burn, but eventually it took over.

1686
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:44,000
Speaker 4: And you know, just just being at that phase and

1687
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:46,320
Speaker 4: being a part of that whole thing in the beginning

1688
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:50,000
Speaker 4: was a trip to me. I remember taking I tell

1689
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:52,800
Speaker 4: a story about taking Big on his first promo tour

1690
01:17:53,760 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 4: and this situation with these young ladies who came back

1691
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:03,679
Speaker 4: to the hotel room after we got them some West

1692
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:07,400
Speaker 4: Indian food and I had to tell them not to

1693
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 4: smoke in the hotel and if they did smoke on

1694
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:11,600
Speaker 4: the balcony whatever, put a wet tile down on the

1695
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:15,000
Speaker 4: floor because they'll throw us out. So we go to

1696
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:16,840
Speaker 4: checking this, Me and little Seas. We go to check

1697
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 4: and see where Big is because we had to do

1698
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:22,040
Speaker 4: radio after we did this in sour stuff, and his

1699
01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:23,960
Speaker 4: door's kind of open. They're like Big, so he had

1700
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:28,040
Speaker 4: a sweet He's got in this suite going on the balcony,

1701
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:31,200
Speaker 4: I could smell wheed. So we go toward the bathroom.

1702
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 4: The door's kind of open. I'm knocking the door. He's

1703
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:37,639
Speaker 4: in there, and so I need you to imagine this picture.

1704
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 4: So one of the girls, who was not the most

1705
01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 4: succeeticially pleasing girl in the world, was on her knees

1706
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:47,720
Speaker 4: in front of the big blowing him while you're sitting

1707
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:51,720
Speaker 4: on a toilet with a blunt in this hand, a.

1708
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:54,719
Speaker 1: Chicken or jerk, chicken wing or chicken leg in this hand,

1709
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 1: and his.

1710
01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:57,200
Speaker 4: Food sitting on his stomach like he was sitting back

1711
01:18:57,240 --> 01:19:01,080
Speaker 4: like this, sitting on his stomach, rice piece, carrots, the cabbage,

1712
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 4: the stomach he was.

1713
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 1: And he was taking the ship.

1714
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:09,839
Speaker 2: What blowing a bunch of there's a bunch of different

1715
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 2: things you combine in there that you're not supposed to

1716
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 2: do together.

1717
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:17,080
Speaker 4: Hey, with no compunction whatsoever. He trusts the door and

1718
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:19,559
Speaker 4: looks like this. He goes, y'all want something like, Nah.

1719
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 3: Man, what some of what? The food?

1720
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:27,760
Speaker 1: What? No? Like we gotta walk these dogs, Joe, Do.

1721
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:30,120
Speaker 2: You want some of the bad to use the bathroom?

1722
01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:32,600
Speaker 2: Do you want some of the blow job? Do you

1723
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 2: want some of the food the chicken like it's a

1724
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:36,559
Speaker 2: lot moving right there.

1725
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:38,200
Speaker 1: I didn't want none of it.

1726
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:42,200
Speaker 2: Well, he didn't make that song, you nasty boy.

1727
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:45,720
Speaker 1: He didn't make that when that ships on her chest, Like,

1728
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:47,120
Speaker 1: understand what I'm saying.

1729
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:49,720
Speaker 4: So it's not on the Rumman possibility. But I'm trying

1730
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:52,360
Speaker 4: to tell you all that I actually told this forty

1731
01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 4: Acres and the Mule way back in there.

1732
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:54,920
Speaker 1: I told this story before.

1733
01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:57,160
Speaker 4: Shout out to Brandon and those guys that were there.

1734
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 4: But but I don't even know if they do that anymore.

1735
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 3: They still do, Yeah, they still do.

1736
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:05,800
Speaker 1: I I haven't checked them in a minute.

1737
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:08,080
Speaker 4: I feel bad, but yeah, I remember telling that story

1738
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:09,559
Speaker 4: of years ago because I didn't want to tell it.

1739
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:11,519
Speaker 1: But you know, it's just.

1740
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:13,080
Speaker 4: Funny now when you think about it, Like he was

1741
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:17,639
Speaker 4: just that dude and had those experiences with artists from

1742
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:21,200
Speaker 4: you know, scar Face to Dre and Snoop and Chuck

1743
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:23,599
Speaker 4: d Who's gonna be on my podcast in a couple

1744
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 4: of weeks, you know, just people who like I look

1745
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:31,880
Speaker 4: at as mentors, as people who I remember sitting on

1746
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:34,679
Speaker 4: the steps when Chuck give me this multi platinum plaque

1747
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:37,479
Speaker 4: for uh and I think it was like ninety one,

1748
01:20:37,880 --> 01:20:39,640
Speaker 4: so if you have a black planet was out and

1749
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:42,320
Speaker 4: all this other stuff, and he gave me the multiplatinum.

1750
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 1: Plau were sitting on the steps of this hotel or

1751
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:46,040
Speaker 1: motel because it was like, I guess they didn't pay

1752
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 1: for There's a bunch of dudes in the group because the.

1753
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:50,120
Speaker 3: Doors opened up straight tow outside.

1754
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, spot machine rights outside this ship. Yeah

1755
01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:56,519
Speaker 1: Machine all night running.

1756
01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 4: And I asked him do you see rap going on

1757
01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:06,880
Speaker 4: tour and rappers still touring twenty thirty years from now,

1758
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 4: like the Rolling Stones and shit like that, And he's like.

1759
01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:09,720
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1760
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 4: I just remember that conversation so vividly, and we're probably

1761
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 4: gonna talk about that on the podcast as well. But

1762
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:19,640
Speaker 4: like just to have those opportunities and those be a

1763
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:23,000
Speaker 4: part of, you know, my experience, not only.

1764
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:26,519
Speaker 1: With basketball because I got away from the basketball with puff.

1765
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:28,160
Speaker 3: No, these are great star for.

1766
01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:31,759
Speaker 1: Two NBA teams, trying out for two NBA teams, played

1767
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:35,519
Speaker 1: overseas in corrector Spenceweathers how Paulo Brazil played in breston

1768
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:38,439
Speaker 1: Marseille and France and finished up at Barcelona, just like

1769
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:40,200
Speaker 1: brief stencil and b level.

1770
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:42,240
Speaker 3: Like now, what do you did?

1771
01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:45,120
Speaker 2: You like playing overseas or was it like I'd rather

1772
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:46,160
Speaker 2: come back absolutely.

1773
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:46,640
Speaker 1: Now.

1774
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 3: I had a friend that player.

1775
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:51,719
Speaker 2: I had a friend that played overseas, and he said,

1776
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:54,479
Speaker 2: some of them countries you just get the check, like

1777
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:57,320
Speaker 2: it's not like are some countries is like, you know,

1778
01:21:57,400 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 2: like obviously the US you get the taxes taken out stuff.

1779
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:01,920
Speaker 3: But he was like, someplaces it's not like that.

1780
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:05,200
Speaker 2: You like, they said, you making thirty thousand playing here,

1781
01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:07,400
Speaker 2: you get thirty thousand.

1782
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:08,200
Speaker 3: That's it.

1783
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh ya.

1784
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:13,240
Speaker 4: What the dude I played for in Brazil he owned

1785
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:14,960
Speaker 4: He was like a rice baron or something like.

1786
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 1: He had a lot of money.

1787
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:17,559
Speaker 4: He had some soccer teams and we were all part

1788
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:19,960
Speaker 4: of this soccer club this club, and the basketball team

1789
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:20,479
Speaker 4: was a part of that.

1790
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:23,080
Speaker 1: And we lost two games in a row.

1791
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:25,519
Speaker 4: And if you're an American or an import player, if

1792
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:26,800
Speaker 4: you're not scoring thirty at night.

1793
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:27,719
Speaker 1: They get rid of you quick.

1794
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:28,720
Speaker 3: That's what I heard too me.

1795
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:33,559
Speaker 1: So he came, we lost two games in a row,

1796
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:37,479
Speaker 1: and he's like, you know this basketball I do not like.

1797
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:40,840
Speaker 1: And that was it. The club was done.

1798
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:43,280
Speaker 4: So if you didn't get your check, and so I

1799
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:45,240
Speaker 4: made sure to get thirty five percent of my money

1800
01:22:45,320 --> 01:22:47,120
Speaker 4: up front before I went down there, right, and it

1801
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:49,080
Speaker 4: was a dude that was literally stuck down there.

1802
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:51,120
Speaker 1: He ended up getting married to a Brazilian lady and

1803
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:53,719
Speaker 1: staying down there, but he couldn't get home. He didn't

1804
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:54,960
Speaker 1: have any money to go home because he.

1805
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:57,120
Speaker 4: Was out wilding out. He was a young cat. Yeah,

1806
01:22:57,280 --> 01:22:58,639
Speaker 4: wilding out spending his money.

1807
01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:00,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the other night.

1808
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:03,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, my boy, Larry, that's the other night. Mary

1809
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:05,799
Speaker 2: telling me you played in like tel Avison, tel Aviv.

1810
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:08,080
Speaker 3: He played in like three or four different places.

1811
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:11,519
Speaker 2: One place he played, he said they had like terrorism there,

1812
01:23:11,960 --> 01:23:14,080
Speaker 2: so he was like, man like, it'd be like a

1813
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:18,040
Speaker 2: car bomb going off like every other week, and you.

1814
01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:21,400
Speaker 4: Just get it, like you know when you get the

1815
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:25,400
Speaker 4: what's the thing where the backfire from the truck starting

1816
01:23:25,439 --> 01:23:28,280
Speaker 4: and oth we swore one time and the lights went

1817
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 4: out at the same time. We're all laying on the

1818
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:34,240
Speaker 4: floor scared, like, yo, it's about to happen during the game.

1819
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:39,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. I played in the converted swimming pool before, so

1820
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:45,320
Speaker 1: they had one was like nine feet was like thirteen feet. No,

1821
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 1: in South America. I'm not joking, not joking. It was hilarious.

1822
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 1: I mean the experiences are so.

1823
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:55,519
Speaker 4: Great, man, I could never you can never like those

1824
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:59,120
Speaker 4: experiences you talk about having these lifetimes. And my mother

1825
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 4: used to remember when I was thirty five, I took

1826
01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:03,599
Speaker 4: my mother out to lunch one day, and I thought

1827
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:05,200
Speaker 4: she was trying to diss me when she said I

1828
01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:08,960
Speaker 4: forced up my way through life, like and she goes, like,

1829
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:12,280
Speaker 4: with basketball, with your education, with music, you've been able

1830
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 4: to travel the world forty fifty times over. You've done

1831
01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:17,320
Speaker 4: more before you're thirty five than most people do in

1832
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:20,839
Speaker 4: three four lifetimes. Right, And I said, I said, And

1833
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 4: then she said, think about where you came from.

1834
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:26,080
Speaker 1: Did you ever think?

1835
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:31,240
Speaker 4: And like, I didn't, but I imagined it right like, and

1836
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:33,559
Speaker 4: when I got to a point where I could turn

1837
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:36,760
Speaker 4: what I imagined into reality, and I kept seeing it

1838
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:40,400
Speaker 4: realizing itself because I took the time and effort to

1839
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 4: make it so even with any roadblocks or barriers in

1840
01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:44,640
Speaker 4: front of me.

1841
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:48,400
Speaker 1: You know, that's a blessing in of itself.

1842
01:24:48,280 --> 01:24:50,720
Speaker 4: To have that within you as a person, and to

1843
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:55,760
Speaker 4: have people who support that vision, support that dream as much,

1844
01:24:55,960 --> 01:24:58,760
Speaker 4: even if they don't understand it. Sometimes having that support

1845
01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 4: meant a whole. It still means a lot that's major.

1846
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:05,479
Speaker 2: Because I think a lot of people. I think now

1847
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:09,280
Speaker 2: you see people and it's like everybody around me should

1848
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:13,320
Speaker 2: believe in me and understand my vision and blah blah blah.

1849
01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:15,720
Speaker 2: And I think that's a that's one way to look

1850
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:18,120
Speaker 2: at it, but I think that's not necessary. You just

1851
01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:21,280
Speaker 2: need people to support it. It's a total like you

1852
01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:23,640
Speaker 2: just need people to not be in your way. Not

1853
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 2: everybody is so supposed to be quote unquote on.

1854
01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:30,920
Speaker 3: The team, you know the vision, but believe in the dream.

1855
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:33,040
Speaker 2: But they could right, they could be like, I'm not

1856
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:35,360
Speaker 2: gonna I'm not gonna fuck up your dream because you know.

1857
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:37,519
Speaker 2: And I think that's also hard for parents and stuff

1858
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:41,200
Speaker 2: to to to accept to where it's like my kids

1859
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:44,800
Speaker 2: just told me, like I remember, uh a few years

1860
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:48,519
Speaker 2: ago when we first were gonna do the podcast full time,

1861
01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:52,839
Speaker 2: and uh, my dad was helping me move in I think, uh,

1862
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:55,960
Speaker 2: something like a washing machine or something and I needed,

1863
01:25:56,040 --> 01:25:57,800
Speaker 2: you know, the bar the truck to do it or whatever.

1864
01:25:57,880 --> 01:26:00,680
Speaker 2: And we're coming back from picking it up and he

1865
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:04,519
Speaker 2: was like, you know, are you sure about this?

1866
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:08,760
Speaker 3: And I was like, I don't know if we can

1867
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:09,439
Speaker 3: do it.

1868
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:12,280
Speaker 2: I just know that if I don't try, I'll never

1869
01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:13,599
Speaker 2: be able to respect myself.

1870
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:16,240
Speaker 3: And he was like, all.

1871
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:18,880
Speaker 2: Right, well then I understand, you know, Like he was like,

1872
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 2: if you know what you're doing, you believe in yourself.

1873
01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:27,200
Speaker 2: I don't fully understand what the internet radio show thing is, how.

1874
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:28,799
Speaker 3: Big it is or how big it isn't.

1875
01:26:29,240 --> 01:26:33,879
Speaker 2: But he never was like, nigga, get a job, you know,

1876
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:36,519
Speaker 2: give up. Like he was like, nah, I support I

1877
01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:38,920
Speaker 2: support you, and if you need anything, let us know.

1878
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:39,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1879
01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:42,400
Speaker 5: Both of your parents, I can truly say, have been supportive,

1880
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:45,760
Speaker 5: regardless of if they understood or not. They was like,

1881
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:48,360
Speaker 5: as long as you know his mama was like, as

1882
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:50,080
Speaker 5: long as y'all ain't doing no shit to get arrested

1883
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:51,439
Speaker 5: out one hundred supported.

1884
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:55,840
Speaker 2: It made me feel It made me feel good when

1885
01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:58,800
Speaker 2: we did our live show here and all these people

1886
01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:01,040
Speaker 2: showed up and my parents parents were there and they're

1887
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:02,720
Speaker 2: like seeing all these fans.

1888
01:27:02,479 --> 01:27:05,280
Speaker 3: And stuff in real life taking pictures with them.

1889
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:08,400
Speaker 2: They low key celebrities to these people because people are like, oh,

1890
01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:10,880
Speaker 2: I heard you on the show, and are you Roger

1891
01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:11,280
Speaker 2: could care?

1892
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:13,439
Speaker 3: Are you just you ain't mom? You know that kind

1893
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:13,760
Speaker 3: of thing.

1894
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:17,599
Speaker 2: And it was and it was like that's all because

1895
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 2: they just didn't want to. They didn't get in my way,

1896
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:22,479
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So I think I think

1897
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:25,880
Speaker 2: that's a valuable thing too, that people don't necessarily value

1898
01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:26,639
Speaker 2: as much anymore.

1899
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:29,120
Speaker 3: It's like, if they not on your team, you need

1900
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:29,880
Speaker 3: to get rid of them.

1901
01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:31,880
Speaker 2: Like, no, nigga, just don't be in the way. I

1902
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:34,760
Speaker 2: would never be in the way of somebody else's dream.

1903
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:35,120
Speaker 1: That's all.

1904
01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:36,040
Speaker 3: You gotta do what.

1905
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:40,680
Speaker 4: I take, you know what I take all criticism constructive

1906
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:46,160
Speaker 4: or otherwise, as is trying to find like victory and

1907
01:27:46,200 --> 01:27:49,920
Speaker 4: every loss. Yeah, you know, like what do I gain

1908
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:52,800
Speaker 4: from this this person? If this person is giving their

1909
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:54,840
Speaker 4: energy to try and stop me from doing it.

1910
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:58,000
Speaker 1: I must be doing it right. I must be doing

1911
01:27:58,040 --> 01:27:58,640
Speaker 1: something right.

1912
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:01,599
Speaker 3: Learn something from everybody that Yeah, and when.

1913
01:28:01,439 --> 01:28:05,479
Speaker 4: You talked about that support, like from your parents, Like

1914
01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:07,280
Speaker 4: I think about my life.

1915
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:08,639
Speaker 1: And getting all these degrees and stuff.

1916
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:11,559
Speaker 4: If I really when I see eight year old kids

1917
01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:14,120
Speaker 4: making twenty six million dollars YouTube, I'm.

1918
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:17,639
Speaker 1: Like, why would I go to school? Why? I say, right?

1919
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 4: And I would never like today, I would navigate. But

1920
01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:23,400
Speaker 4: I realized that I was living in my parents' dream, right,

1921
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:27,080
Speaker 4: that the way they have big condition that you become

1922
01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:29,000
Speaker 4: a good American boy. You go to school, you get

1923
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:33,479
Speaker 4: a good job, you move to the suburbs. That was

1924
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 4: not my reality. That's not what I want to do.

1925
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:39,240
Speaker 1: And eventually I'm probably gonna move the you know, my

1926
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:41,920
Speaker 1: seaside bet and breakfast in Costa Rica with it, Just

1927
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:44,120
Speaker 1: keep Mountain back to more pet rental shop, tele a friend,

1928
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:45,000
Speaker 1: right and.

1929
01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:49,240
Speaker 4: You know, have Vernon Flavio run the spot while I'm

1930
01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:53,880
Speaker 4: laying in the hand pruity not alcoholic beverages and ship

1931
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:58,479
Speaker 4: letting the Caribbean breathe blow through my hair. And just

1932
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:02,040
Speaker 4: that's my life, right, that's what I want, and I've

1933
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:03,360
Speaker 4: done a lot to get that.

1934
01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:05,599
Speaker 1: And you know.

1935
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:08,559
Speaker 4: Eventually I leave the city and leave all that stuff behind,

1936
01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:10,800
Speaker 4: and just that's it.

1937
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:14,240
Speaker 1: I did. I hit my born on date. I gave

1938
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:17,920
Speaker 1: more than I took. I was able to leave this

1939
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:20,360
Speaker 1: space and a better place than was before I got here.

1940
01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:24,600
Speaker 1: That's my contribution. Whether it's a million people see it

1941
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:27,280
Speaker 1: or one, I did more than most. And I'm good

1942
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:27,799
Speaker 1: with that.

1943
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:29,320
Speaker 3: No doubt, man, no doubt.

1944
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:32,880
Speaker 2: Now, look, can we talk about the Open Run podcast

1945
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:36,400
Speaker 2: for a little bit too, because you know we're not

1946
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:38,360
Speaker 2: putting you out the pastor. Yet Man, you're still out

1947
01:29:38,360 --> 01:29:39,960
Speaker 2: here producing, making a lot of work.

1948
01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:42,760
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. It's not costa Rica time

1949
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:43,360
Speaker 3: yet man.

1950
01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:47,880
Speaker 2: And I noticed the cavalcade of illustrious guests that run

1951
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:50,360
Speaker 2: through the open run, which is a testament to the

1952
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:51,360
Speaker 2: relationships you built.

1953
01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:51,559
Speaker 3: Man.

1954
01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:54,479
Speaker 2: I saw you had MC search on there not too

1955
01:29:54,520 --> 01:29:59,240
Speaker 2: long ago, and it's kind of like it's combining sports,

1956
01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:01,080
Speaker 2: but then it is, no, not just a sports show.

1957
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:01,280
Speaker 4: Man.

1958
01:30:01,320 --> 01:30:02,439
Speaker 3: Can you tell people about the.

1959
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:06,400
Speaker 4: Podcast, Well, it's it's a podcast where basketball and life

1960
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:06,760
Speaker 4: are one.

1961
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:11,960
Speaker 1: Like the stories, the Biggie story.

1962
01:30:11,640 --> 01:30:14,160
Speaker 4: All that, all that is combined in what we we do,

1963
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:17,000
Speaker 4: you know, Search, knowing Search for over thirty years and

1964
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:19,320
Speaker 4: not even really thinking about it, and that my brother

1965
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:21,960
Speaker 4: has a relationship with Search because at the end of

1966
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:25,120
Speaker 4: the day, we're people. Our jobs are one thing. Who

1967
01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:28,840
Speaker 4: we are is something totally different. And I think sometimes

1968
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:33,559
Speaker 4: people can't separate, like the public persona from the private

1969
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:38,400
Speaker 4: like human being part of it. And when you again,

1970
01:30:38,720 --> 01:30:42,360
Speaker 4: if you don't burn bridges, if you respect people, because

1971
01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:45,200
Speaker 4: I've seen a lot of people who see people like, oh,

1972
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:47,000
Speaker 4: you don't have your job at tears in no more,

1973
01:30:47,240 --> 01:30:49,479
Speaker 4: they don't they don't answer your calls, no more, no emails,

1974
01:30:49,479 --> 01:30:50,120
Speaker 4: and then you see.

1975
01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:52,160
Speaker 1: You pop up and you say, oh god, this is stoke,

1976
01:30:52,280 --> 01:30:54,320
Speaker 1: kind of like who new phone? Who is?

1977
01:30:55,160 --> 01:30:57,519
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna be petty about it, right, you know,

1978
01:30:58,240 --> 01:31:00,000
Speaker 4: because I don't hold that kind of energy for people,

1979
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:03,840
Speaker 4: but at the same time I do recognize it. And

1980
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:07,280
Speaker 4: it was like what's DMX said, trust people to be

1981
01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:10,960
Speaker 4: you know, themselves, but also trust to see who they

1982
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:13,439
Speaker 4: are as well, right, And so I see it and

1983
01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:16,880
Speaker 4: I understand it, and I I don't think I quote

1984
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:19,120
Speaker 4: it in properly, but that's the gist of it.

1985
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:21,800
Speaker 1: And for me.

1986
01:31:22,280 --> 01:31:25,520
Speaker 4: You know, with the open run, that is an extension

1987
01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:29,800
Speaker 4: of all balls don't bounce, which again I always want

1988
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:31,960
Speaker 4: to work with people who look like me, nothing against

1989
01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:35,760
Speaker 4: anyone else, but we have to fight for space on

1990
01:31:35,800 --> 01:31:37,240
Speaker 4: these platforms.

1991
01:31:36,640 --> 01:31:39,920
Speaker 1: All the time, right, you know. And this is in

1992
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:44,240
Speaker 1: the nascent stages of really podcasting, Like this is the

1993
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:47,760
Speaker 1: Bomoni Jones diaspora, when we were talking about, like when

1994
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:50,160
Speaker 1: you were starting and Bou was doing his thing like

1995
01:31:50,720 --> 01:31:53,320
Speaker 1: you know, and me working with both for ten years

1996
01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:57,120
Speaker 1: and never meeting him in person until twenty eighteen. That's

1997
01:31:57,160 --> 01:31:57,479
Speaker 1: a trip.

1998
01:31:57,520 --> 01:32:01,280
Speaker 4: But that's this testament to the strength of relationships right right,

1999
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:05,799
Speaker 4: But starting with all balls don't bounce with Morgan Campbell

2000
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:08,880
Speaker 4: and Dwayne Watson, because I wanted to do something where

2001
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:12,040
Speaker 4: kids to see these black men working together and striving

2002
01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:14,320
Speaker 4: to do something to offer a voice that wasn't offered

2003
01:32:14,720 --> 01:32:17,639
Speaker 4: in that space, right, and we made sure to put

2004
01:32:17,680 --> 01:32:20,479
Speaker 4: ourselves in that space and position. I remember having a

2005
01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:22,599
Speaker 4: meeting with them. We had this meeting and I ordered

2006
01:32:22,680 --> 01:32:27,479
Speaker 4: quizno sandwiches and I told him it was Dwayne's. Dwayne

2007
01:32:27,479 --> 01:32:29,040
Speaker 4: had the block all balls on bounce, and we were

2008
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:31,799
Speaker 4: trying to find a name, like, why why are we ignoring?

2009
01:32:32,640 --> 01:32:35,519
Speaker 4: This is my grandmother, blessed dead. She used to say,

2010
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:37,880
Speaker 4: sometimes in life, the obvious is the hardest to see.

2011
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:40,600
Speaker 4: She had a third grade education, by the way, but

2012
01:32:40,680 --> 01:32:44,880
Speaker 4: her intellective curb was top shelf, right, okay, And so

2013
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:46,479
Speaker 4: when she said that, because we don't want to see

2014
01:32:46,479 --> 01:32:47,920
Speaker 4: it was right there in front of us, so we

2015
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:50,080
Speaker 4: turned it. It was like all balls and bounce. In life,

2016
01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:52,160
Speaker 4: they'll tell you the balls will bounce. You've been conditioned

2017
01:32:52,160 --> 01:32:54,120
Speaker 4: to believe the balls will bounce a certain way. But

2018
01:32:54,120 --> 01:32:57,480
Speaker 4: in our lives and the way we've grown up. Sometimes

2019
01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:01,040
Speaker 4: the balls don't bounce. All balls don't bounces. The science

2020
01:33:01,080 --> 01:33:02,840
Speaker 4: behind is that we want to tell the story behind

2021
01:33:02,840 --> 01:33:03,759
Speaker 4: the story in sports.

2022
01:33:04,640 --> 01:33:06,040
Speaker 1: So it was more.

2023
01:33:07,439 --> 01:33:12,880
Speaker 4: Not just the numbers, but the nuance, right, like why

2024
01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:15,439
Speaker 4: did this happen? Why is this necessary? Why do we

2025
01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:17,559
Speaker 4: have to talk about these things?

2026
01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:17,800
Speaker 1: Why?

2027
01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:21,360
Speaker 4: You know, in our perspectives were rich enough that you know,

2028
01:33:21,479 --> 01:33:25,920
Speaker 4: I said, in the year we'll be at network, seven

2029
01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:26,920
Speaker 4: months we're at network.

2030
01:33:28,280 --> 01:33:30,360
Speaker 1: We had been fighting over who's going to pay us

2031
01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:31,839
Speaker 1: to do the thing? So we started.

2032
01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:34,759
Speaker 4: Morgan didn't want to do basketball. We did basketball because

2033
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:36,640
Speaker 4: I don't think they would because they know we just

2034
01:33:36,640 --> 01:33:38,799
Speaker 4: sho on hockey and hockey is big in Canada.

2035
01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:42,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it could have been a different show. It

2036
01:33:42,160 --> 01:33:45,160
Speaker 2: could have been niggas shipping on hockey.

2037
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:52,320
Speaker 4: That would have been a fantastic show. Grand Over, Grand Closing. Yeah,

2038
01:33:52,479 --> 01:33:57,400
Speaker 4: one episode, right, but but let's open up the phone

2039
01:33:57,400 --> 01:34:00,959
Speaker 4: lines real quick, right, that would.

2040
01:34:00,720 --> 01:34:01,559
Speaker 1: Been the highest rating.

2041
01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:03,800
Speaker 4: But they never had the highest ratings, and they have

2042
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:10,920
Speaker 4: been like Pierre de la Croix from Bamboos, How is

2043
01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:11,519
Speaker 4: this marking?

2044
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:13,360
Speaker 1: We don't want this to work like that.

2045
01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:19,439
Speaker 4: But we turned that into one on one with Will

2046
01:34:19,479 --> 01:34:22,120
Speaker 4: and Dwayne. But even before that, like I ever again

2047
01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:24,840
Speaker 4: wanted to work with people who look like me. I

2048
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:28,600
Speaker 4: had to show called court surfing, and I was not

2049
01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:31,680
Speaker 4: supposed to be on court surfing. These guys came out

2050
01:34:31,680 --> 01:34:34,200
Speaker 4: into the park and they started filming where we were

2051
01:34:34,200 --> 01:34:37,439
Speaker 4: playing basketball. I was like, hey, man, don't put me

2052
01:34:37,479 --> 01:34:39,320
Speaker 4: on nothing. I don't know where they'll come from, but

2053
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:41,960
Speaker 4: don't put me on nothing. They're trying to sell unless

2054
01:34:41,960 --> 01:34:45,479
Speaker 4: you have a waiver. And he was like, what do

2055
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:48,000
Speaker 4: you know about waivers? I said, how's your health insurance?

2056
01:34:48,320 --> 01:34:51,439
Speaker 4: I just told you, don't put me on I'm not

2057
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:54,240
Speaker 4: the tough guy, but those guys are depicting the table

2058
01:34:55,040 --> 01:34:56,920
Speaker 4: again a little too comfortable on the other side of

2059
01:34:56,920 --> 01:34:59,080
Speaker 4: the law. If they see you filming, they feel like

2060
01:34:59,120 --> 01:35:01,920
Speaker 4: you're the Feds. You're gonna leave, but irena leave it.

2061
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:06,639
Speaker 4: More than just your feelings hurt. So I signed a waiver.

2062
01:35:07,240 --> 01:35:10,280
Speaker 4: They shoot it, They interviewed me the whole nine. I

2063
01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:12,320
Speaker 4: come back from New York a week later. My boys're like, yo,

2064
01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:14,120
Speaker 4: your commercial was hot. So I'm like, I didn't shoot

2065
01:35:14,160 --> 01:35:17,040
Speaker 4: no damn commercial. Just like I know, go in the

2066
01:35:17,080 --> 01:35:21,599
Speaker 4: studio with Wou Tang and he goes, they take me inside.

2067
01:35:21,640 --> 01:35:23,439
Speaker 4: I looked at the community center. I look at the

2068
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:26,679
Speaker 4: video on the count. I signed a waiver. Way couldn't

2069
01:35:26,760 --> 01:35:30,000
Speaker 4: use my image on nothing commercial. So I go up

2070
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:32,280
Speaker 4: to the station. I'm like, who do I have to sue?

2071
01:35:32,680 --> 01:35:35,439
Speaker 4: M h And I'm like, well, we don't want you

2072
01:35:35,479 --> 01:35:38,439
Speaker 4: to sue, but can we We'll give you like a

2073
01:35:38,439 --> 01:35:43,600
Speaker 4: flat fee for the commercial plus your versiduals and we

2074
01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:46,320
Speaker 4: have to show. I said, oh, I wrote one, mm hmm.

2075
01:35:47,439 --> 01:35:50,160
Speaker 4: I came up prepared. I was armed because I want

2076
01:35:50,240 --> 01:35:50,719
Speaker 4: my own.

2077
01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:53,280
Speaker 1: It's the opportunity for me to get inside again. Get inside.

2078
01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:55,160
Speaker 1: I will always planning your work so you can work

2079
01:35:55,160 --> 01:35:58,920
Speaker 1: your plan. So they took elements from what I did.

2080
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:00,639
Speaker 4: So I took like this one was six and park

2081
01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:02,640
Speaker 4: kind of like rap battle thing and we called that

2082
01:36:02,720 --> 01:36:03,400
Speaker 4: the shot clock.

2083
01:36:03,479 --> 01:36:05,240
Speaker 1: So it's like me and somebody would come on.

2084
01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:07,439
Speaker 4: I had a championship belt in the whole nine, and

2085
01:36:07,479 --> 01:36:09,880
Speaker 4: I had an audience behind us, like they would vote

2086
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:12,679
Speaker 4: on who had the best three basketball topics or whatever

2087
01:36:12,680 --> 01:36:14,559
Speaker 4: the case might be at a thing.

2088
01:36:14,720 --> 01:36:17,240
Speaker 1: I didn't even really play fantasy basketball like that because

2089
01:36:17,240 --> 01:36:18,439
Speaker 1: I kept winning. It was too easy.

2090
01:36:18,840 --> 01:36:21,479
Speaker 4: So we created a sex thing called ball Street, but

2091
01:36:21,640 --> 01:36:25,320
Speaker 4: Wall Street that was fantasy basketball, and the thing did

2092
01:36:25,400 --> 01:36:28,759
Speaker 4: a thing on innovation, so it's like sneakers or whatever's

2093
01:36:28,760 --> 01:36:31,080
Speaker 4: happened in basketball. And then the end of the show

2094
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:34,400
Speaker 4: thing called the Finisher, where at my Jerry Springer final moment,

2095
01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:37,639
Speaker 4: I put all that in the show that wasn't there,

2096
01:36:38,240 --> 01:36:41,120
Speaker 4: So I became instead of And then I didn't let

2097
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:42,200
Speaker 4: them pay me as talent.

2098
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:45,200
Speaker 1: I said, you have to pay me.

2099
01:36:45,120 --> 01:36:52,120
Speaker 4: As executive producer, as director, as writer, and as talent.

2100
01:36:52,439 --> 01:36:53,639
Speaker 1: So instead of having.

2101
01:36:53,400 --> 01:36:56,640
Speaker 4: One revenue stream because people get happy, oh I'm on TV, No,

2102
01:36:56,760 --> 01:36:59,360
Speaker 4: I was like, the content is the king.

2103
01:37:00,360 --> 01:37:01,519
Speaker 1: I was sating his content.

2104
01:37:01,640 --> 01:37:04,400
Speaker 4: I understood that, and again, these are my daddy tools,

2105
01:37:05,400 --> 01:37:09,880
Speaker 4: right utilizing them there did that? That turned into all

2106
01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:12,160
Speaker 4: Balls Don't Balance. That turned into a one on one

2107
01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:13,400
Speaker 4: that turned into.

2108
01:37:13,240 --> 01:37:15,360
Speaker 1: Me writing for the Open Run. That turned into the

2109
01:37:15,400 --> 01:37:17,880
Speaker 1: podcast The Open Run, and really just.

2110
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:21,640
Speaker 4: Again years and years of relationships and being able to

2111
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:24,639
Speaker 4: say we're all in the space people are, you know,

2112
01:37:25,439 --> 01:37:28,680
Speaker 4: especially when we're just so disconnected because of the pandemic.

2113
01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:31,120
Speaker 4: We reach out, we see how people are and like, hey,

2114
01:37:31,240 --> 01:37:33,439
Speaker 4: let's come on and just talk about this, and like cool,

2115
01:37:33,479 --> 01:37:36,360
Speaker 4: let's talk, and here we are, and somehow it's getting

2116
01:37:36,439 --> 01:37:40,040
Speaker 4: monetized and people want this. I mean to the fact

2117
01:37:40,040 --> 01:37:43,559
Speaker 4: that these NFTs like you can take some highlights and

2118
01:37:43,640 --> 01:37:47,040
Speaker 4: somebody's paying ten million dollars to see Nick Robinson get

2119
01:37:47,160 --> 01:37:50,960
Speaker 4: knocked out by Logan Paul. Really well, things have value

2120
01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:52,880
Speaker 4: when we assign value to them. And if we don't

2121
01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:56,479
Speaker 4: value what we do, if you guys didn't value your words,

2122
01:37:56,520 --> 01:37:59,280
Speaker 4: your authenticity, you wouldn't be in the situation you are

2123
01:37:59,320 --> 01:38:01,880
Speaker 4: with Spotify, whatever other sponsors that are coming your way,

2124
01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:06,519
Speaker 4: because they are coming and you know this to grow

2125
01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:09,040
Speaker 4: your business and say we did the way we want

2126
01:38:09,120 --> 01:38:11,479
Speaker 4: to do it. Nobody really told us what to do.

2127
01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:14,880
Speaker 4: We just knew that what we did was real and

2128
01:38:14,920 --> 01:38:16,760
Speaker 4: we can feel good about the money we earned. I

2129
01:38:16,760 --> 01:38:19,000
Speaker 4: think people try to shame you for earning money from.

2130
01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:19,360
Speaker 1: What you're doing.

2131
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:20,120
Speaker 3: That's crazy.

2132
01:38:20,200 --> 01:38:22,000
Speaker 1: I don't feel ashamed for shit. No.

2133
01:38:22,240 --> 01:38:23,880
Speaker 4: If I did this and I did the way I

2134
01:38:23,920 --> 01:38:26,840
Speaker 4: was supposed to and nobody compromised me, you can sit

2135
01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:27,920
Speaker 4: back and complain about it.

2136
01:38:28,360 --> 01:38:29,920
Speaker 1: I'm going to eat. Were going to sizzling.

2137
01:38:30,040 --> 01:38:30,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was talking.

2138
01:38:31,439 --> 01:38:33,840
Speaker 2: I was talking about the other day, just you know,

2139
01:38:34,200 --> 01:38:37,360
Speaker 2: just talking and I forget what came up, but I

2140
01:38:37,439 --> 01:38:39,960
Speaker 2: just remember being like, I'll never be mad at a

2141
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:45,000
Speaker 2: black person for getting money in a like for you know,

2142
01:38:45,080 --> 01:38:47,920
Speaker 2: obviously not no coon type shit, you know, but getting

2143
01:38:47,960 --> 01:38:49,240
Speaker 2: money like doing what they love.

2144
01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:52,920
Speaker 3: I was like, because we're not getting free tomorrow, you know.

2145
01:38:53,160 --> 01:38:57,479
Speaker 2: Like whatever the plan is, if the plan can't work,

2146
01:38:57,479 --> 01:38:59,720
Speaker 2: because jay Z became a billionaire, then the plan was

2147
01:38:59,720 --> 01:39:03,519
Speaker 2: whack you know, look like, So I've never regretted, like

2148
01:39:03,880 --> 01:39:06,280
Speaker 2: I said, we might not be able to get quote

2149
01:39:06,360 --> 01:39:08,960
Speaker 2: unquote that freedom in the in the way that people

2150
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:12,559
Speaker 2: see it. But I was like money in America the

2151
01:39:12,600 --> 01:39:15,400
Speaker 2: closest thing people got to it. So every time I

2152
01:39:15,439 --> 01:39:18,120
Speaker 2: see a black person coming up, I'll be celebrating, I'm like.

2153
01:39:19,240 --> 01:39:20,200
Speaker 3: What tenure deal?

2154
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:22,600
Speaker 1: Aay? Like I love it.

2155
01:39:22,680 --> 01:39:26,280
Speaker 4: I love We spend so much time like being like

2156
01:39:26,560 --> 01:39:30,320
Speaker 4: jealous of yes we should like it only offers us

2157
01:39:30,320 --> 01:39:33,879
Speaker 4: more opportunity and the idea that we could do were the.

2158
01:39:33,720 --> 01:39:36,599
Speaker 3: Only ones who look out like that.

2159
01:39:37,360 --> 01:39:39,960
Speaker 2: So I never like, every time you see a black

2160
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:44,559
Speaker 2: person getting something, it's always another, like litany of black

2161
01:39:44,600 --> 01:39:46,400
Speaker 2: people in their weight getting something.

2162
01:39:46,640 --> 01:39:49,400
Speaker 3: It's never alone. It's never alone.

2163
01:39:49,560 --> 01:39:52,360
Speaker 2: Because we because if Easter Ray is gonna do a

2164
01:39:52,439 --> 01:39:55,080
Speaker 2: TV show. Guess what she's gonna have in it? Black actors,

2165
01:39:55,120 --> 01:39:59,320
Speaker 2: black roles, black stories, black writers, just by nature, you

2166
01:39:59,360 --> 01:39:59,720
Speaker 2: know what I mean?

2167
01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:01,559
Speaker 3: Because that I want to tell this story.

2168
01:40:01,880 --> 01:40:06,240
Speaker 2: Trevor can't write the story of what Will Strickland was

2169
01:40:06,280 --> 01:40:09,559
Speaker 2: doing at sixteen in hip hop because Trevor don't necessarily

2170
01:40:09,600 --> 01:40:12,760
Speaker 2: understand that background, or you know, maybe Trevor does.

2171
01:40:13,160 --> 01:40:13,960
Speaker 3: But I also got to.

2172
01:40:13,920 --> 01:40:15,800
Speaker 2: Bring in Little Monk because he got you know, we

2173
01:40:15,880 --> 01:40:19,479
Speaker 2: need some authenticity here. So I think that's that's what mappens.

2174
01:40:21,240 --> 01:40:23,400
Speaker 2: So I think that's that's a big part of it.

2175
01:40:23,800 --> 01:40:26,320
Speaker 2: But also like with the open Run, he talk he

2176
01:40:26,400 --> 01:40:29,160
Speaker 2: talked basketball a lot, like especially NBA.

2177
01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:33,200
Speaker 3: You keep up, you keep up with the NBA still

2178
01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:34,759
Speaker 3: like to this day, right.

2179
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:39,960
Speaker 4: All right, NBA, w NBA College basketball. I love basketball

2180
01:40:40,560 --> 01:40:42,400
Speaker 4: four twenty one, like the whole nine.

2181
01:40:42,520 --> 01:40:44,760
Speaker 3: So what do you think about the nets? What do

2182
01:40:44,800 --> 01:40:45,759
Speaker 3: you think about the nets?

2183
01:40:45,760 --> 01:40:45,880
Speaker 5: Man?

2184
01:40:45,920 --> 01:40:49,599
Speaker 3: Because they starting to collect all the pieces. They they

2185
01:40:49,640 --> 01:40:53,920
Speaker 3: collecting like catchum all all all the people.

2186
01:40:53,920 --> 01:40:57,040
Speaker 2: But then now they're getting down to like the cars

2187
01:40:57,080 --> 01:41:00,240
Speaker 2: that's like been on the used lot. But like you know,

2188
01:41:00,640 --> 01:41:03,280
Speaker 2: but they'll got they managed, but they got you know

2189
01:41:03,280 --> 01:41:04,760
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, they keep them washed. You know what

2190
01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:05,639
Speaker 2: I'm saying, they waxed.

2191
01:41:05,680 --> 01:41:07,240
Speaker 1: They look nostalgic to it.

2192
01:41:07,439 --> 01:41:07,679
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2193
01:41:07,840 --> 01:41:10,120
Speaker 1: Remember that acolegend Koopy you have back in the day,

2194
01:41:10,200 --> 01:41:13,240
Speaker 1: Sonny looks just like Pete Rocks.

2195
01:41:13,280 --> 01:41:16,040
Speaker 2: Like, because I saw people getting upset that, like they

2196
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:20,439
Speaker 2: got LaMarcus and Blake and I was like, I mean

2197
01:41:20,479 --> 01:41:25,920
Speaker 2: they got twenty twenty one LaMarcus twenty playing something.

2198
01:41:26,320 --> 01:41:30,920
Speaker 1: Let me explain something to you. The NBA has always

2199
01:41:30,920 --> 01:41:31,599
Speaker 1: been about that.

2200
01:41:31,880 --> 01:41:36,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, And when people start bringing their hands about all,

2201
01:41:36,160 --> 01:41:38,840
Speaker 4: they're trying to create a super team, Okay, great, that

2202
01:41:38,920 --> 01:41:42,320
Speaker 4: doesn't guarantee success, as the two thousand and four Los

2203
01:41:42,360 --> 01:41:46,479
Speaker 4: Angeles Lakers who lost to a team of journeyman and

2204
01:41:46,600 --> 01:41:48,120
Speaker 4: the one guy who was drafted by the team was

2205
01:41:48,160 --> 01:41:49,679
Speaker 4: Tayshaun Prince, who I tried to get on the show

2206
01:41:49,720 --> 01:41:51,880
Speaker 4: to talk about Chauncey Billips. Yeah, seek, but that's the

2207
01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:56,200
Speaker 4: only of the conversations. Yeah, they had five Hall of

2208
01:41:56,200 --> 01:41:59,040
Speaker 4: Famers on that team. Yep, they had five Hall of Famers.

2209
01:41:59,120 --> 01:42:03,800
Speaker 4: They had Shaq the late Great Kobe Ving Bryant, they

2210
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:07,040
Speaker 4: had Karl Malan, they had Gary Payton, and they had

2211
01:42:07,080 --> 01:42:08,960
Speaker 4: Mitch Richmond, who didn't play that much, but he's on

2212
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:12,559
Speaker 4: that team and they lost to Ben Wallace Hamilton.

2213
01:42:12,600 --> 01:42:14,320
Speaker 1: So I'm like, okay, And.

2214
01:42:14,160 --> 01:42:17,559
Speaker 4: If you're trying to compare Karl Malone and Gary Payton

2215
01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:23,479
Speaker 4: to the great value, Walmart Brand called Malone and Gary Payton,

2216
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:27,439
Speaker 4: which is Blake and LaMarcus Alters, why are you wasting

2217
01:42:27,479 --> 01:42:27,840
Speaker 4: your time?

2218
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:28,160
Speaker 1: They?

2219
01:42:28,200 --> 01:42:31,000
Speaker 4: I mean, Jeff Green has seen more Conference finals minutes

2220
01:42:31,040 --> 01:42:33,559
Speaker 4: than both of them, So I would be more afraid

2221
01:42:33,600 --> 01:42:36,040
Speaker 4: of Jeff Green. That would be someone who's never seen

2222
01:42:36,080 --> 01:42:39,839
Speaker 4: that stage before. You saw how Kawhi and Paul George

2223
01:42:39,880 --> 01:42:43,439
Speaker 4: fell off of the planet against the Denver Nuggets last year,

2224
01:42:44,320 --> 01:42:47,599
Speaker 4: so you know, everybody gets caught up in the name value,

2225
01:42:47,600 --> 01:42:49,960
Speaker 4: but like you said, that was who they were. And

2226
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:54,280
Speaker 4: we saw that on display last evening as the Lakers

2227
01:42:54,560 --> 01:42:58,000
Speaker 4: beat the Brakes off the nets and there's no Lebron,

2228
01:42:58,439 --> 01:43:01,640
Speaker 4: there are no Anthony Davis, and they beat them and

2229
01:43:01,720 --> 01:43:03,599
Speaker 4: Kad was on the court, Tyrie was on the court.

2230
01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:07,479
Speaker 4: They had LaMarcus Aldrich and Blake Griffin because defense and

2231
01:43:07,479 --> 01:43:10,320
Speaker 4: that their defense chuck down the best offense.

2232
01:43:10,360 --> 01:43:11,759
Speaker 1: And they say, oh what if James.

2233
01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:16,519
Speaker 4: Harden every championship in NBA history has been decided because

2234
01:43:16,520 --> 01:43:21,519
Speaker 4: of injury. Nobody's ever full strength, ever, right And even

2235
01:43:21,520 --> 01:43:26,080
Speaker 4: when they are, then what you go and get in

2236
01:43:26,160 --> 01:43:30,479
Speaker 4: your car? You cry immediately after you lose Game seven

2237
01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:32,160
Speaker 4: or the twenty sixteen NBA Finals, and.

2238
01:43:32,160 --> 01:43:34,880
Speaker 1: Go, Kat, who need you to go? Help us beat

2239
01:43:34,880 --> 01:43:36,240
Speaker 1: this old ass man Lebron.

2240
01:43:36,400 --> 01:43:39,960
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I don't follow the Lebron on my podcast.

2241
01:43:40,040 --> 01:43:43,280
Speaker 4: He is the hashtag he who shan't be named because

2242
01:43:43,280 --> 01:43:46,280
Speaker 4: he triggers so much emotion, King James.

2243
01:43:47,240 --> 01:43:49,200
Speaker 1: But I mean it's the same thing.

2244
01:43:49,200 --> 01:43:51,840
Speaker 4: And people said, you know, people say, oh they formed

2245
01:43:51,840 --> 01:43:53,960
Speaker 4: these They didn't form those super teams to stop Lebron.

2246
01:43:54,920 --> 01:43:57,680
Speaker 4: They were just trying to win championships. Okay, right, So

2247
01:43:57,680 --> 01:43:59,120
Speaker 4: why did all of them leave the West when they

2248
01:43:59,160 --> 01:44:01,600
Speaker 4: showed up? All them say when when he was in

2249
01:44:01,640 --> 01:44:03,280
Speaker 4: the age, oh he can never do this in the West,

2250
01:44:03,280 --> 01:44:05,400
Speaker 4: and then he does that he didn't do it his

2251
01:44:05,400 --> 01:44:07,880
Speaker 4: first year. I'm like, those goal posts get heaven when.

2252
01:44:07,800 --> 01:44:09,280
Speaker 3: You moved, don't they.

2253
01:44:10,360 --> 01:44:11,400
Speaker 1: I get it, I get it.

2254
01:44:11,439 --> 01:44:14,519
Speaker 4: I understand your emotions behind it, but you you too.

2255
01:44:14,680 --> 01:44:18,200
Speaker 4: Nostalgia and speaker culture history shouldn't affect what you do

2256
01:44:18,280 --> 01:44:20,920
Speaker 4: right now. You're trying to hold on to the sanctity

2257
01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:24,559
Speaker 4: and and and glory of Michael Jeffrey Jordan. He's never

2258
01:44:24,600 --> 01:44:26,920
Speaker 4: going to score another point in the NBA, right, He's

2259
01:44:26,920 --> 01:44:29,320
Speaker 4: never gonna have another opportunity. It's a different game, it's

2260
01:44:29,360 --> 01:44:31,040
Speaker 4: a different time. He has his place.

2261
01:44:31,320 --> 01:44:33,760
Speaker 3: I always always find it interesting, so be it.

2262
01:44:34,240 --> 01:44:39,200
Speaker 2: I always find it interesting with MJ because people people

2263
01:44:39,280 --> 01:44:42,120
Speaker 2: moved a goal post to exactly where he left it,

2264
01:44:42,640 --> 01:44:45,000
Speaker 2: and that's and that's why they always go and nobody

2265
01:44:45,080 --> 01:44:47,360
Speaker 2: can top of him, iim like, because you will only

2266
01:44:47,520 --> 01:44:49,519
Speaker 2: use him like he can't.

2267
01:44:49,280 --> 01:44:51,519
Speaker 3: Even surpass his own measurements when you.

2268
01:44:51,439 --> 01:44:56,040
Speaker 2: Look historically, like Michael Jordan's yeah, not a ghost of

2269
01:44:56,040 --> 01:44:59,439
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan's undefeated, but like never lost, the game was

2270
01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:01,719
Speaker 2: down at time in every game he ever played.

2271
01:45:03,760 --> 01:45:06,920
Speaker 3: No help, Yeah, no help, you know what I mean.

2272
01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:09,400
Speaker 3: But one on five face jam numbers.

2273
01:45:09,400 --> 01:45:14,000
Speaker 2: But it's always it's always interesting to see like that

2274
01:45:14,080 --> 01:45:17,759
Speaker 2: discussion because it always goes into like, well you gotta

2275
01:45:18,000 --> 01:45:20,679
Speaker 2: be you gotta go to the playoffs and get six

2276
01:45:20,760 --> 01:45:22,280
Speaker 2: rings and six finals MVPs.

2277
01:45:22,280 --> 01:45:25,120
Speaker 3: It's like, well did he only play six years?

2278
01:45:26,200 --> 01:45:28,120
Speaker 2: Because it's a whole lot of years. It sounds like

2279
01:45:28,200 --> 01:45:30,240
Speaker 2: he didn't even make the finals. So you're telling me

2280
01:45:30,479 --> 01:45:33,360
Speaker 2: one of your measurements is if you go to the

2281
01:45:33,400 --> 01:45:37,559
Speaker 2: finals and lose, that is worse than having not gone

2282
01:45:37,560 --> 01:45:38,720
Speaker 2: to the finals.

2283
01:45:40,160 --> 01:45:41,479
Speaker 1: Round to get swept in the first round.

2284
01:45:41,520 --> 01:45:44,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, explain that. How does that make sense from? Like

2285
01:45:44,800 --> 01:45:46,240
Speaker 3: you tell me? What's more work?

2286
01:45:46,560 --> 01:45:48,759
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying like that, it's that George

2287
01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:50,439
Speaker 1: Bush fuzzy mass from back in the day.

2288
01:45:50,640 --> 01:45:53,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, what do you think about You just brought

2289
01:45:53,400 --> 01:45:55,760
Speaker 2: up the Clippers, man, what do you think about them

2290
01:45:55,760 --> 01:45:56,080
Speaker 2: this year?

2291
01:45:56,120 --> 01:45:56,880
Speaker 3: Because if I.

2292
01:45:57,320 --> 01:46:00,400
Speaker 2: Feel like they're playing better this year honestly than they

2293
01:46:00,400 --> 01:46:02,360
Speaker 2: were last year in the regular season when they were

2294
01:46:02,360 --> 01:46:05,559
Speaker 2: even winning more games, like they they look when they

2295
01:46:05,640 --> 01:46:10,080
Speaker 2: on the they I mean, they feel unstoppable. But I

2296
01:46:10,080 --> 01:46:13,080
Speaker 2: feel like none of this shit counts until they're in

2297
01:46:13,120 --> 01:46:16,519
Speaker 2: the playoffs trying like beating the Nuggets or something like

2298
01:46:16,600 --> 01:46:19,160
Speaker 2: they got Like, none of this matters. They might as

2299
01:46:19,160 --> 01:46:21,519
Speaker 2: look go into the playoffs zero and zero because I

2300
01:46:21,560 --> 01:46:22,840
Speaker 2: don't care about nothing.

2301
01:46:22,600 --> 01:46:23,280
Speaker 3: They do right now.

2302
01:46:23,960 --> 01:46:24,679
Speaker 1: Nobody does.

2303
01:46:24,880 --> 01:46:27,960
Speaker 4: And I think that last year the whole posturing and

2304
01:46:28,080 --> 01:46:30,920
Speaker 4: they had already won the championship before the season started.

2305
01:46:31,240 --> 01:46:34,400
Speaker 4: Oh lives back, He's going to use to Lebron's dog.

2306
01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:37,120
Speaker 4: How do you stop a man He's like twenty nine,

2307
01:46:37,160 --> 01:46:39,880
Speaker 4: eight and eight in the finals, Like, that's not stopping him.

2308
01:46:40,240 --> 01:46:44,720
Speaker 1: That's his normal number. Those are his numbers, right, And

2309
01:46:45,200 --> 01:46:46,719
Speaker 1: and so you know.

2310
01:46:48,560 --> 01:46:50,160
Speaker 4: The thing that told told me a lot about the

2311
01:46:50,200 --> 01:46:53,040
Speaker 4: Clippers this year and why they're not going to win anything.

2312
01:46:53,320 --> 01:46:55,880
Speaker 4: One they hired a coach who was still on the

2313
01:46:55,920 --> 01:46:59,000
Speaker 4: bench with them when they weren't making adjustments, and they

2314
01:46:59,040 --> 01:47:01,439
Speaker 4: had the epic flop against a team that had been

2315
01:47:01,479 --> 01:47:03,840
Speaker 4: in three down three to one and all three of

2316
01:47:03,880 --> 01:47:08,120
Speaker 4: their series in the playoffs. Denver Nuggets tell me the

2317
01:47:08,160 --> 01:47:11,320
Speaker 4: Denver Nuggets playoff history that they're so fantastic they could

2318
01:47:11,320 --> 01:47:13,799
Speaker 4: beat this team with Paul georg too, the best defensive

2319
01:47:13,840 --> 01:47:15,080
Speaker 4: played two way players in the game.

2320
01:47:16,080 --> 01:47:18,599
Speaker 1: They're up three to one and they collapsed. They didn't

2321
01:47:18,640 --> 01:47:23,000
Speaker 1: have injuries, there were no injuries involved, there's no suspensions involved.

2322
01:47:23,040 --> 01:47:24,960
Speaker 1: They just didn't perform in the counting.

2323
01:47:25,160 --> 01:47:26,160
Speaker 3: And don't forget reason.

2324
01:47:26,160 --> 01:47:28,559
Speaker 2: I don't forget Pat Beverly was supposed to also be

2325
01:47:28,680 --> 01:47:30,400
Speaker 2: that dude on defense too.

2326
01:47:30,720 --> 01:47:32,840
Speaker 3: I just like to throw that gave you gave.

2327
01:47:32,720 --> 01:47:38,360
Speaker 1: Him too much oxygen. Just now listen I'm gonna tell you.

2328
01:47:38,400 --> 01:47:40,479
Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell you straight out if it's not about

2329
01:47:40,920 --> 01:47:44,960
Speaker 4: Kawhi and Paul George and the fact that they look great.

2330
01:47:45,479 --> 01:47:47,559
Speaker 4: But they just bought in Rondo and they said, oh,

2331
01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:49,040
Speaker 4: we have some leadership in the locker room.

2332
01:47:49,080 --> 01:47:51,679
Speaker 1: Now, what fifty two games of the season, you're saying

2333
01:47:51,680 --> 01:47:54,240
Speaker 1: you now have leadership. It ain't gonna happen for you, bro.

2334
01:47:54,320 --> 01:47:57,000
Speaker 4: You ain't gonna get playoff Rondo every night with that

2335
01:47:57,080 --> 01:47:59,880
Speaker 4: team because you're not in powered playmakers like you have

2336
01:48:00,040 --> 01:48:00,599
Speaker 4: with Lebron.

2337
01:48:00,920 --> 01:48:02,559
Speaker 1: You're not. I'm sorry, I said it again.

2338
01:48:03,200 --> 01:48:05,240
Speaker 3: The name, it's all good.

2339
01:48:05,240 --> 01:48:08,200
Speaker 1: You can say, okay, cool, cool, I can get ready

2340
01:48:08,200 --> 01:48:10,400
Speaker 1: with it. Yeah. So it's a different thing.

2341
01:48:10,479 --> 01:48:12,800
Speaker 2: And they got rid of Lemon Pepper lou behind that,

2342
01:48:13,000 --> 01:48:13,759
Speaker 2: which I mean.

2343
01:48:14,600 --> 01:48:15,800
Speaker 1: They got Tyler on the bench.

2344
01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:18,680
Speaker 4: They didn't make no adjustments with Twin Rivers because he

2345
01:48:18,720 --> 01:48:21,280
Speaker 4: could never be Doc Rivers in Philadelphia. There's only one

2346
01:48:21,320 --> 01:48:26,960
Speaker 4: document you know who that is. But they didn't make adjustments.

2347
01:48:28,439 --> 01:48:30,479
Speaker 4: My trust, Hell was like yo, the locker room was

2348
01:48:30,520 --> 01:48:33,120
Speaker 4: trashed when when those guys came in because they were

2349
01:48:33,120 --> 01:48:34,559
Speaker 4: able to do whatever they want to do.

2350
01:48:35,160 --> 01:48:37,360
Speaker 1: Tyler is supposedly running a top top of ship.

2351
01:48:38,680 --> 01:48:38,960
Speaker 3: Cool.

2352
01:48:39,840 --> 01:48:42,760
Speaker 4: They'll have some moments in the playoffs, but I don't

2353
01:48:42,800 --> 01:48:46,080
Speaker 4: think again, they're good enough to lose to the Lakers

2354
01:48:46,160 --> 01:48:47,680
Speaker 4: or someone else in the playoffs right now.

2355
01:48:47,760 --> 01:48:48,600
Speaker 1: That's how I feel. Beout it.

2356
01:48:48,720 --> 01:48:49,880
Speaker 3: That's how they feel to me too.

2357
01:48:49,920 --> 01:48:50,080
Speaker 1: Man.

2358
01:48:50,120 --> 01:48:52,559
Speaker 2: It's just it's a shame though, because, like I said,

2359
01:48:52,600 --> 01:48:54,360
Speaker 2: when I watched them in the regular season, some of

2360
01:48:54,400 --> 01:48:55,320
Speaker 2: them games, I'm like.

2361
01:48:56,040 --> 01:48:59,000
Speaker 3: Am I hating? You know what I'm saying? Well, you like,

2362
01:48:59,040 --> 01:49:00,919
Speaker 3: these dudes got game.

2363
01:49:00,840 --> 01:49:06,160
Speaker 2: Like when Paul George is in his bag, It's just like, damn, oh.

2364
01:49:06,840 --> 01:49:10,200
Speaker 4: It's no disrespect to them because they can play the game.

2365
01:49:10,840 --> 01:49:14,680
Speaker 4: But again, if your talent does not play together well enough,

2366
01:49:14,720 --> 01:49:17,720
Speaker 4: if they haven't brought into the idea. Like as much

2367
01:49:17,760 --> 01:49:20,120
Speaker 4: as Lebron said, yo, a D is a D A

2368
01:49:20,120 --> 01:49:21,920
Speaker 4: A D a D. At the end of the day,

2369
01:49:22,400 --> 01:49:25,120
Speaker 4: the stats showed you differently. Ad was gonna be a

2370
01:49:25,240 --> 01:49:29,080
Speaker 4: D in New Orleans without Lebron in the court. They

2371
01:49:29,080 --> 01:49:30,400
Speaker 4: were different when Lebron in the court.

2372
01:49:30,400 --> 01:49:33,559
Speaker 1: It's just different. It's like when your dad comes home.

2373
01:49:34,840 --> 01:49:36,760
Speaker 1: It's one thing. When you're in the house, you're taking

2374
01:49:36,760 --> 01:49:37,280
Speaker 1: care of everything.

2375
01:49:37,280 --> 01:49:38,559
Speaker 4: You're trying to take care of your little brother and

2376
01:49:38,600 --> 01:49:41,720
Speaker 4: little sister and making dinner and making sure homework is done.

2377
01:49:41,720 --> 01:49:43,479
Speaker 4: And then he's there and somehow he knows how to

2378
01:49:43,520 --> 01:49:47,720
Speaker 4: do that inherently. Right, It's different when you when you

2379
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:50,840
Speaker 4: have again, I'm gonna quote my grandmother blessed Dead, she said,

2380
01:49:50,880 --> 01:49:53,160
Speaker 4: if you're going nowhere in life, any road will take

2381
01:49:53,160 --> 01:49:57,880
Speaker 4: you there. Like what, I get it now? I didn't

2382
01:49:57,880 --> 01:50:00,880
Speaker 4: get it then because these guys, they have all a

2383
01:50:00,960 --> 01:50:03,200
Speaker 4: talent in the world regular season that looks good, but

2384
01:50:03,280 --> 01:50:04,519
Speaker 4: where are they actually going?

2385
01:50:04,840 --> 01:50:05,040
Speaker 5: Yeah?

2386
01:50:05,240 --> 01:50:07,000
Speaker 1: Who's going to be that person that takes over and

2387
01:50:07,040 --> 01:50:10,559
Speaker 1: says this is what we do? Yeah, So when you

2388
01:50:10,600 --> 01:50:12,760
Speaker 1: see Chris Paul, who's low key to the MVP of

2389
01:50:12,760 --> 01:50:15,799
Speaker 1: the league right now, to me, the Sons were trash

2390
01:50:15,920 --> 01:50:18,080
Speaker 1: for years. He shows up and all of a sudden

2391
01:50:18,080 --> 01:50:19,640
Speaker 1: they have the second best record in the league in

2392
01:50:19,640 --> 01:50:24,080
Speaker 1: the West. They're not in the East, they're in the West. Right, somehow,

2393
01:50:24,080 --> 01:50:27,040
Speaker 1: Devin booking all them got better because he showed up. Yeah.

2394
01:50:27,160 --> 01:50:29,400
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you about the MVP rights too,

2395
01:50:29,479 --> 01:50:33,080
Speaker 2: because the MVP rights in the NBA, to me, has

2396
01:50:33,120 --> 01:50:35,640
Speaker 2: always been kind of bullshit because it's always it is

2397
01:50:35,720 --> 01:50:38,519
Speaker 2: it's always narrative driven and everybody tries.

2398
01:50:38,360 --> 01:50:38,840
Speaker 3: To deny it.

2399
01:50:38,840 --> 01:50:40,760
Speaker 2: But it's like, we have no set of numbers you

2400
01:50:40,760 --> 01:50:43,040
Speaker 2: can follow, We have no guidelines.

2401
01:50:43,160 --> 01:50:45,879
Speaker 3: I mean technically it should be honest.

2402
01:50:46,040 --> 01:50:49,280
Speaker 2: Again, if we going by just did he do anything

2403
01:50:49,560 --> 01:50:51,599
Speaker 2: differently this year he wasn't doing last year?

2404
01:50:51,760 --> 01:50:51,880
Speaker 1: Nah?

2405
01:50:51,960 --> 01:50:54,760
Speaker 3: We just everybody got tired of them, you know what

2406
01:50:54,800 --> 01:50:55,080
Speaker 3: I mean?

2407
01:50:55,160 --> 01:50:58,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, voter fatigue is one thing, but also

2408
01:50:58,320 --> 01:51:01,360
Speaker 1: flavor of the month syndrome happened out. And I think

2409
01:51:01,479 --> 01:51:03,960
Speaker 1: Nikola Jokic's playing great, But this team, like for the

2410
01:51:04,040 --> 01:51:07,240
Speaker 1: most part of the season, was deep down in in

2411
01:51:07,400 --> 01:51:11,280
Speaker 1: the standards. They're in fourth in the West right now,

2412
01:51:11,280 --> 01:51:16,080
Speaker 1: if they're not mistaken. But value and best are sometimes

2413
01:51:16,120 --> 01:51:19,519
Speaker 1: two different things. If you take Giannis out of the lineup,

2414
01:51:19,720 --> 01:51:23,559
Speaker 1: the Milwaukee Bucks still winning forty five fifty games right.

2415
01:51:24,920 --> 01:51:27,960
Speaker 3: Line up. The Suns are backed to that playing game.

2416
01:51:28,080 --> 01:51:31,120
Speaker 4: Right, right, So if I look at Giannis, you know,

2417
01:51:32,439 --> 01:51:35,120
Speaker 4: does that team with Drew Allen, No, They're they're basically

2418
01:51:35,160 --> 01:51:39,160
Speaker 4: another like five hundred team, right. If I look at Jokic,

2419
01:51:39,320 --> 01:51:42,840
Speaker 4: if the Denver Nuggets about Yokic, they're not a playoff team, right,

2420
01:51:42,880 --> 01:51:45,960
Speaker 4: So there's some value there. Joel EMBII they still have

2421
01:51:46,040 --> 01:51:48,880
Speaker 4: Ben Simmons. They should be a playoff team. These guys

2422
01:51:48,880 --> 01:51:51,200
Speaker 4: are the number one picks in the draft. You know

2423
01:51:51,320 --> 01:51:53,920
Speaker 4: the fact that even Golden States somewhere anywhere close to

2424
01:51:53,960 --> 01:51:57,280
Speaker 4: the playoffs with just Steph and the writing remains of

2425
01:51:57,360 --> 01:51:59,240
Speaker 4: Draymond Jamal Green Senior.

2426
01:51:59,560 --> 01:52:03,320
Speaker 1: Like anywhere close to it.

2427
01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:06,479
Speaker 4: That's good for them, right, But at the end of

2428
01:52:06,479 --> 01:52:10,120
Speaker 4: the day, like we talked about Lebron, like his value,

2429
01:52:10,120 --> 01:52:13,559
Speaker 4: you can't it's so hard to quantify his value because

2430
01:52:13,880 --> 01:52:16,120
Speaker 4: he's like the metronome twenty seven to seven and the

2431
01:52:16,200 --> 01:52:19,760
Speaker 4: seven you can count on it, right, And you take

2432
01:52:19,800 --> 01:52:22,559
Speaker 4: that out of the lineup, and that they got this

2433
01:52:22,600 --> 01:52:25,240
Speaker 4: big win only bodes well that they have They can

2434
01:52:25,280 --> 01:52:27,960
Speaker 4: go thirteen to fourteen deep on their bench and still

2435
01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:30,240
Speaker 4: have quality enough players and not every team in the

2436
01:52:30,280 --> 01:52:32,320
Speaker 4: league can do that, and that's why you can be

2437
01:52:32,400 --> 01:52:38,280
Speaker 4: top heavy as the Clippers and the Nets. But that chemistry,

2438
01:52:38,400 --> 01:52:40,639
Speaker 4: even with the new guys, it's something about how Lebron

2439
01:52:40,680 --> 01:52:43,040
Speaker 4: can take up a team and build a team and

2440
01:52:43,080 --> 01:52:46,639
Speaker 4: have these guys believe in themselves. Like I remember, Alfonso

2441
01:52:46,760 --> 01:52:48,720
Speaker 4: McKinney is on the team now. He couldn't miss me.

2442
01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:51,519
Speaker 4: He's playing in Golden State, he gets to LA he

2443
01:52:51,560 --> 01:52:53,200
Speaker 4: can't make a shot until last night.

2444
01:52:53,520 --> 01:52:53,720
Speaker 1: Yep.

2445
01:52:54,760 --> 01:52:58,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, and also like they couldn't do that

2446
01:52:58,520 --> 01:53:01,519
Speaker 2: last year, Like last year if Lebron missed the game,

2447
01:53:01,560 --> 01:53:04,559
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, that's an l because because I still

2448
01:53:04,960 --> 01:53:08,759
Speaker 2: submit that ship should have counted as two championships. Because

2449
01:53:08,760 --> 01:53:13,120
Speaker 2: it's the bubble, which was already unprecedented, right, we've never

2450
01:53:13,160 --> 01:53:16,000
Speaker 2: seen nothing like that before. Complete You can't see your

2451
01:53:16,000 --> 01:53:18,720
Speaker 2: family is everyone's depressed in there and all the shit.

2452
01:53:19,000 --> 01:53:22,080
Speaker 2: The only person got sympathy somehow, Paul George, but everyone

2453
01:53:22,120 --> 01:53:25,000
Speaker 2: in the damn bubble. Then the second part is it

2454
01:53:25,120 --> 01:53:28,200
Speaker 2: is the dumbest team I've ever seen win the championship.

2455
01:53:28,439 --> 01:53:32,639
Speaker 2: Just you could go through the you could go through

2456
01:53:32,680 --> 01:53:35,240
Speaker 2: the record like Kyle Kuzma, just basketball done.

2457
01:53:35,240 --> 01:53:37,760
Speaker 3: But you got j R. Smith on that roster. You

2458
01:53:37,840 --> 01:53:38,960
Speaker 3: got my man of.

2459
01:53:39,240 --> 01:53:44,080
Speaker 2: Dion Waders, you got Jareal McGhee, you got KCP who

2460
01:53:44,160 --> 01:53:46,080
Speaker 2: played games with a damn ankle monitor.

2461
01:53:46,640 --> 01:53:47,240
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

2462
01:53:48,280 --> 01:53:52,240
Speaker 2: That team wait, Howard, come on that dude, don't believe

2463
01:53:52,280 --> 01:53:53,000
Speaker 2: in the vaccine.

2464
01:53:53,040 --> 01:53:56,400
Speaker 3: That team was not supposed to even do.

2465
01:53:56,760 --> 01:53:58,960
Speaker 2: Like if you would have told me that's the roster,

2466
01:53:59,600 --> 01:54:02,400
Speaker 2: and it's said, Rod, which players would need to fill

2467
01:54:02,400 --> 01:54:04,280
Speaker 2: out the rest of this roster for the new championship.

2468
01:54:04,280 --> 01:54:08,040
Speaker 2: I'd be like, it's impossible. There's no one. I love Lebron,

2469
01:54:08,240 --> 01:54:10,280
Speaker 2: my favorite player. There's no one you could put on

2470
01:54:10,320 --> 01:54:13,000
Speaker 2: this team that's gonna help these niggas win a championship.

2471
01:54:13,120 --> 01:54:15,559
Speaker 3: So this is a trick question. And he did it.

2472
01:54:15,600 --> 01:54:18,959
Speaker 3: And this year they just basically auditioned my subtraction.

2473
01:54:19,439 --> 01:54:21,599
Speaker 2: I love Schroeder and stuff, but some of that stuff

2474
01:54:21,680 --> 01:54:24,160
Speaker 2: is just like you don't have to worry about nobody

2475
01:54:24,160 --> 01:54:26,720
Speaker 2: that's gonna like in overtime throw the ball to the

2476
01:54:26,720 --> 01:54:30,960
Speaker 2: wrong team, Like like that's a big that's a big upgrade.

2477
01:54:31,080 --> 01:54:34,520
Speaker 2: Unfortunately for this bringing in.

2478
01:54:34,440 --> 01:54:38,600
Speaker 4: A dude in his prime at twenty seven and Drummond ye,

2479
01:54:39,120 --> 01:54:42,800
Speaker 4: who is like to have that flexibility on your front line,

2480
01:54:42,880 --> 01:54:45,600
Speaker 4: to know that you can now mix and match pieces

2481
01:54:45,800 --> 01:54:50,000
Speaker 4: and that defensively, even without Lebron and them, they still

2482
01:54:50,040 --> 01:54:52,840
Speaker 4: maintained the number one defensive rating, which is tough to

2483
01:54:52,840 --> 01:54:55,760
Speaker 4: do once once you buy into a mindset.

2484
01:54:55,840 --> 01:54:58,520
Speaker 1: My trust Herald was terrible on defensive beginning of the season, yep,

2485
01:54:58,720 --> 01:54:59,160
Speaker 1: but now.

2486
01:54:59,080 --> 01:55:01,160
Speaker 4: He understands that Okay, I'm not gonna be six man

2487
01:55:01,240 --> 01:55:03,160
Speaker 4: in a year, but if I win a championship playing

2488
01:55:03,200 --> 01:55:05,240
Speaker 4: like this, I'm gonna get my money right.

2489
01:55:05,320 --> 01:55:06,880
Speaker 3: And it's even crazier.

2490
01:55:07,480 --> 01:55:09,600
Speaker 2: You would think it would hurt them to have lost

2491
01:55:09,680 --> 01:55:12,040
Speaker 2: Danny Green, one of the best shooters in the league,

2492
01:55:12,080 --> 01:55:15,240
Speaker 2: but he ain't shoot good for them. So like it's

2493
01:55:15,280 --> 01:55:17,960
Speaker 2: like even losing Danny Green is a is an upgrade

2494
01:55:18,160 --> 01:55:20,600
Speaker 2: for this team. It's you know, which can only be

2495
01:55:20,680 --> 01:55:22,640
Speaker 2: said because you got you know, Lebrono a d at

2496
01:55:22,680 --> 01:55:23,280
Speaker 2: the end of the day.

2497
01:55:23,720 --> 01:55:26,440
Speaker 4: Well, you said addisouled by subtraction, and I think that

2498
01:55:26,600 --> 01:55:30,560
Speaker 4: Danny Green, well, you know, he it was a valuable

2499
01:55:30,560 --> 01:55:33,040
Speaker 4: part because not with only the shooting, but he's six

2500
01:55:33,160 --> 01:55:35,880
Speaker 4: seven and can defend. Yes, that's why you bringing Wesley

2501
01:55:35,920 --> 01:55:39,280
Speaker 4: Matthews who came right now. He probably gets beat off

2502
01:55:39,280 --> 01:55:44,160
Speaker 4: the bounce by mannequins, but if he had an opportunity

2503
01:55:44,480 --> 01:55:46,120
Speaker 4: to play, he played some good games.

2504
01:55:46,120 --> 01:55:48,520
Speaker 1: But he won't give you the consistency. So you bring in,

2505
01:55:49,000 --> 01:55:50,080
Speaker 1: you know, some younger guys.

2506
01:55:50,160 --> 01:55:52,760
Speaker 4: You do some different stuff and these young cats they

2507
01:55:52,840 --> 01:55:56,200
Speaker 4: see and I think when you foster an environment of

2508
01:55:56,360 --> 01:56:01,480
Speaker 4: togetherness and like it sounds utopian and hokey, but somehow

2509
01:56:01,520 --> 01:56:04,240
Speaker 4: this dude does it everywhere he goes. There's no way

2510
01:56:04,720 --> 01:56:06,920
Speaker 4: you go to all these different teams and they say, oh.

2511
01:56:06,840 --> 01:56:08,920
Speaker 1: Lebron's gym and right.

2512
01:56:09,600 --> 01:56:13,880
Speaker 4: And if he's in control of his career and he's

2513
01:56:14,040 --> 01:56:17,160
Speaker 4: able to manipulate the situation circumstance to get the players

2514
01:56:17,160 --> 01:56:19,800
Speaker 4: he wants to be there so he can have the

2515
01:56:19,840 --> 01:56:22,680
Speaker 4: best opportunities and that in turn helps the franchise and

2516
01:56:22,760 --> 01:56:25,160
Speaker 4: the fan base, why wouldn't you do it? Doesn't matter

2517
01:56:25,160 --> 01:56:27,760
Speaker 4: who said, oh, okay, give Rock Polinka the.

2518
01:56:27,720 --> 01:56:30,400
Speaker 1: Credit, even though oh you know, Rock called me and

2519
01:56:30,440 --> 01:56:32,600
Speaker 1: I said, Rich gonna make that happen. It's Rich fall.

2520
01:56:33,200 --> 01:56:36,000
Speaker 3: Let's say let's say let's say Lebron is the GM.

2521
01:56:36,240 --> 01:56:40,640
Speaker 2: Let's just give them that, right, What other GM in

2522
01:56:40,680 --> 01:56:44,120
Speaker 2: the league is winning the championship like every three to

2523
01:56:44,200 --> 01:56:47,560
Speaker 2: four years? Because I think because in that case, we're

2524
01:56:47,560 --> 01:56:49,120
Speaker 2: going to have to start giving him some GM of

2525
01:56:49,200 --> 01:56:52,800
Speaker 2: the decade type of wars out here to consistently throughout

2526
01:56:52,800 --> 01:56:54,720
Speaker 2: his career about every four years.

2527
01:56:54,720 --> 01:56:56,600
Speaker 3: You can pencil him down for another ring.

2528
01:56:57,680 --> 01:57:00,280
Speaker 4: Well, I mean the fact that in the last last

2529
01:57:00,280 --> 01:57:05,680
Speaker 4: ten years he's been in nine championship series with two

2530
01:57:05,760 --> 01:57:07,760
Speaker 4: different teams, right.

2531
01:57:07,720 --> 01:57:08,840
Speaker 3: That's why I don't even see that.

2532
01:57:08,840 --> 01:57:10,680
Speaker 1: Actually, actually, actually I'm sorry.

2533
01:57:10,880 --> 01:57:14,440
Speaker 3: Three three. Yeah, it's really not a it's really not

2534
01:57:14,480 --> 01:57:14,880
Speaker 3: a knock.

2535
01:57:14,960 --> 01:57:16,800
Speaker 2: They try to make it seem like it's a knock

2536
01:57:16,840 --> 01:57:20,280
Speaker 2: on him, like the GM. It's like, okay, cool, what

2537
01:57:20,440 --> 01:57:22,920
Speaker 2: GM is going to the finals every year?

2538
01:57:23,000 --> 01:57:27,400
Speaker 3: Though, I'll wait, I'll wait for you to tell tell me.

2539
01:57:27,800 --> 01:57:31,680
Speaker 1: Overall messing with the system.

2540
01:57:32,000 --> 01:57:34,560
Speaker 4: I mean the free agency where you're able to go

2541
01:57:34,640 --> 01:57:36,280
Speaker 4: where you want to go, like when you left seven

2542
01:57:36,320 --> 01:57:37,480
Speaker 4: eleven to go to Walmart.

2543
01:57:37,520 --> 01:57:40,880
Speaker 3: Like he can't make anybody sign you know what I mean?

2544
01:57:41,160 --> 01:57:47,560
Speaker 2: You're talking about? What else is messing with the system?

2545
01:57:47,680 --> 01:57:50,560
Speaker 2: Changing it to seven year you know, the extensions, the

2546
01:57:50,960 --> 01:57:54,000
Speaker 2: bird rights, all the whole system designed to be fucked with.

2547
01:57:54,120 --> 01:57:56,160
Speaker 3: They just can't defeat that.

2548
01:57:56,240 --> 01:57:58,080
Speaker 2: People want to go play with this man and it

2549
01:57:58,640 --> 01:58:00,200
Speaker 2: bothers the ship out of them.

2550
01:58:00,480 --> 01:58:02,800
Speaker 4: Well, what really boses the shit out of him is

2551
01:58:02,800 --> 01:58:07,080
Speaker 4: that he designed again. He decided that he wasn't gonna

2552
01:58:07,080 --> 01:58:09,600
Speaker 4: sign a long term deal anywhere after a certain point.

2553
01:58:09,600 --> 01:58:12,160
Speaker 4: After he got like, after seven years, you can do so,

2554
01:58:12,200 --> 01:58:14,840
Speaker 4: he started signing these two and two or two for

2555
01:58:14,920 --> 01:58:17,600
Speaker 4: one deals right where he could opt out in the

2556
01:58:17,600 --> 01:58:20,320
Speaker 4: second year of the contract to hold his GMS and

2557
01:58:20,360 --> 01:58:22,120
Speaker 4: his owner's feet to the fire to make sure they

2558
01:58:22,120 --> 01:58:24,160
Speaker 4: had the roster they needed. Yep, and if they didn't

2559
01:58:24,160 --> 01:58:27,320
Speaker 4: give it, he could bounce right. That's power as a

2560
01:58:27,320 --> 01:58:29,720
Speaker 4: free agency. That's what free agency is all about. And

2561
01:58:29,840 --> 01:58:31,720
Speaker 4: he had the power as a player because they knew

2562
01:58:31,720 --> 01:58:34,320
Speaker 4: he would bring revenue and bring championship or at least

2563
01:58:34,360 --> 01:58:35,720
Speaker 4: the chance to win a championship.

2564
01:58:36,280 --> 01:58:38,120
Speaker 1: Right. It's hard to bet against someone like that.

2565
01:58:38,280 --> 01:58:40,280
Speaker 4: So I remember when Kevin Durant signed the sixth years,

2566
01:58:40,320 --> 01:58:42,919
Speaker 4: one hundred and twenty six million dollar deal in OKAC.

2567
01:58:43,920 --> 01:58:46,800
Speaker 4: Everybody's like ooh and Theyverbody's like, why is Lebron only

2568
01:58:46,840 --> 01:58:50,080
Speaker 4: signing these little deals? Then when Katie leaves Golden State,

2569
01:58:50,120 --> 01:58:52,520
Speaker 4: what does he do two years forty eight million dollars

2570
01:58:52,520 --> 01:58:54,920
Speaker 4: for the opt out. Then now everybody wants to do

2571
01:58:54,960 --> 01:58:57,600
Speaker 4: that because they see, once you get that cachet, you

2572
01:58:57,640 --> 01:58:58,440
Speaker 4: can kind of do that.

2573
01:58:58,520 --> 01:59:00,400
Speaker 1: You're like, wow, we can use the system like this.

2574
01:59:00,600 --> 01:59:01,440
Speaker 1: They built it like this.

2575
01:59:01,720 --> 01:59:05,680
Speaker 4: We got this collective bargaining agreement that allows us to

2576
01:59:05,720 --> 01:59:09,240
Speaker 4: do these things. Great, it only makes the game better.

2577
01:59:09,280 --> 01:59:11,480
Speaker 4: People say, there's no parody in the NBA, there's never

2578
01:59:11,520 --> 01:59:12,440
Speaker 4: been period.

2579
01:59:12,680 --> 01:59:14,120
Speaker 1: But guess what. But guess what.

2580
01:59:14,240 --> 01:59:16,840
Speaker 4: In the past ten years, there have been seven different

2581
01:59:16,960 --> 01:59:23,640
Speaker 4: NBA champions. Yep, but what about what about the nineties?

2582
01:59:23,880 --> 01:59:25,640
Speaker 4: How many champions do you have in the nineties? Oh,

2583
01:59:25,640 --> 01:59:26,920
Speaker 4: the Bulls won most of the nineties.

2584
01:59:27,000 --> 01:59:30,080
Speaker 1: Right then you got the Rockets got two of them.

2585
01:59:30,160 --> 01:59:34,600
Speaker 1: We got the Spurs win one. Who else?

2586
01:59:34,840 --> 01:59:39,400
Speaker 2: Lakers, Yeah, Lakers, Celtics, Pizzon's like, it's never been a

2587
01:59:39,520 --> 01:59:40,680
Speaker 2: free for all in the NBA.

2588
01:59:40,960 --> 01:59:43,400
Speaker 3: It's more for all now than it was.

2589
01:59:44,200 --> 01:59:45,760
Speaker 4: But they try to make it seem like, oh, it's

2590
01:59:45,760 --> 01:59:48,520
Speaker 4: only for years, it's the only Golden State and the

2591
01:59:48,600 --> 01:59:50,800
Speaker 4: Cavaliers or the Heat or whatever. But I'm like, do

2592
01:59:50,800 --> 01:59:54,280
Speaker 4: you realize there's seven different champions between twenty ten and

2593
01:59:54,320 --> 01:59:55,280
Speaker 4: twenty twenty.

2594
01:59:55,840 --> 01:59:56,520
Speaker 1: Think about it?

2595
01:59:57,000 --> 01:59:59,480
Speaker 2: And I thought, one more thing out there before we

2596
01:59:59,480 --> 02:00:00,160
Speaker 2: get off of here.

2597
02:00:00,840 --> 02:00:04,080
Speaker 3: It's all because of the deification of Michael Jordan. It

2598
02:00:04,120 --> 02:00:05,600
Speaker 3: wouldn't have happened.

2599
02:00:05,280 --> 02:00:07,600
Speaker 5: Yes, like people would have stayed longer term.

2600
02:00:07,640 --> 02:00:12,240
Speaker 2: But people created this monster and they don't want no responsibility.

2601
02:00:11,360 --> 02:00:13,960
Speaker 5: Of right when you tamp and we talked about this

2602
02:00:14,000 --> 02:00:17,240
Speaker 5: even under YO Show, they wont it both ways. When

2603
02:00:17,280 --> 02:00:20,640
Speaker 5: the standard is the ring. Now, nobody decided to size that.

2604
02:00:20,680 --> 02:00:23,840
Speaker 5: But these fans and these people on TV, you a

2605
02:00:24,000 --> 02:00:27,800
Speaker 5: valueless player. We put a GM in your face or

2606
02:00:27,880 --> 02:00:30,200
Speaker 5: your arguments online. You got to win the ring. Well,

2607
02:00:30,200 --> 02:00:31,960
Speaker 5: then the players like, I'm going to win the ring.

2608
02:00:32,720 --> 02:00:35,000
Speaker 5: But then you complain because they're going after the ring.

2609
02:00:35,360 --> 02:00:38,480
Speaker 5: But you told me the standard was. So when I

2610
02:00:38,520 --> 02:00:41,960
Speaker 5: get old and I'm an analyst on ESPN, y'all, y'all

2611
02:00:42,040 --> 02:00:44,839
Speaker 5: not gonna tell me because because it's almost like personal

2612
02:00:44,880 --> 02:00:48,240
Speaker 5: stats and statistics don't matter. Like they were players back

2613
02:00:48,280 --> 02:00:51,960
Speaker 5: in our dame where you go, they are beast and

2614
02:00:52,080 --> 02:00:54,120
Speaker 5: they averaged all this and they was the man of

2615
02:00:54,160 --> 02:00:57,320
Speaker 5: this team, know that it win the championship, but they

2616
02:00:57,360 --> 02:01:00,920
Speaker 5: were a Hall of Famer player. And what's gonna happen

2617
02:01:00,960 --> 02:01:02,920
Speaker 5: is that you're gonna lessen the Hall of Famer players

2618
02:01:02,960 --> 02:01:05,440
Speaker 5: and you go and the ring matters. Now it's not

2619
02:01:05,800 --> 02:01:09,480
Speaker 5: you know, did you average study points a game, triple doubles?

2620
02:01:09,520 --> 02:01:10,640
Speaker 3: None of that shit matters to.

2621
02:01:10,600 --> 02:01:12,440
Speaker 5: The fans, and none of that matters.

2622
02:01:12,480 --> 02:01:13,640
Speaker 3: No, did you win the ring?

2623
02:01:13,920 --> 02:01:17,680
Speaker 5: So my personal statistics don't matter no more. Who gets

2624
02:01:17,680 --> 02:01:19,600
Speaker 5: a fuck if I'm here ninety days and decide to

2625
02:01:19,600 --> 02:01:21,560
Speaker 5: opt out and go somewhere else because y'all told me

2626
02:01:21,640 --> 02:01:23,480
Speaker 5: the ring is the only thing that matter right.

2627
02:01:23,360 --> 02:01:26,240
Speaker 2: Right, Well, It's like back in my day, I always

2628
02:01:26,240 --> 02:01:29,720
Speaker 2: bring up Mitch Richmond. Mitch Richmond is like, that's a

2629
02:01:29,720 --> 02:01:32,360
Speaker 2: cold cat. You go to this city, he might drop

2630
02:01:32,400 --> 02:01:35,600
Speaker 2: forty fifty on you, and everybody run the league respects him.

2631
02:01:35,600 --> 02:01:38,680
Speaker 2: He's multiple All Star, all this shit. At no point

2632
02:01:38,760 --> 02:01:40,400
Speaker 2: when I was growing up did it turn into like

2633
02:01:40,960 --> 02:01:43,280
Speaker 2: he ain't got no rings. It was always like, of course,

2634
02:01:43,280 --> 02:01:45,520
Speaker 2: he don't got no rings. He's not Michael Jordan in

2635
02:01:45,600 --> 02:01:50,000
Speaker 2: Chicago's Scottie Pippin. He's gonna always that's not even the

2636
02:01:50,080 --> 02:01:52,440
Speaker 2: game he's playing, you know what I mean, he compared

2637
02:01:52,480 --> 02:01:53,640
Speaker 2: to what these dudes are doing.

2638
02:01:54,040 --> 02:01:56,560
Speaker 3: But now I saw the other day Dave Lillard was

2639
02:01:56,600 --> 02:01:58,680
Speaker 3: on Twitter telling some dude.

2640
02:01:58,440 --> 02:02:01,640
Speaker 2: Like I want in life, Like I get that I

2641
02:02:01,720 --> 02:02:03,960
Speaker 2: might not win a championship in Portland. But the reason

2642
02:02:03,960 --> 02:02:06,360
Speaker 2: I keep staying here re upping is because I'm out

2643
02:02:06,360 --> 02:02:06,840
Speaker 2: of the hood.

2644
02:02:07,000 --> 02:02:08,400
Speaker 3: My family is doing great.

2645
02:02:09,240 --> 02:02:12,080
Speaker 2: My kids are gonna be fucking you know, do whatever

2646
02:02:12,080 --> 02:02:14,280
Speaker 2: they want to do, right.

2647
02:02:14,120 --> 02:02:17,000
Speaker 3: And and so there's a lack of understanding.

2648
02:02:16,680 --> 02:02:21,080
Speaker 4: For that generational wealth and about what we value. And

2649
02:02:21,200 --> 02:02:24,160
Speaker 4: Karen you said something about the idea of the fallacy

2650
02:02:24,160 --> 02:02:27,000
Speaker 4: of loyalty and sports business as a fan construct.

2651
02:02:27,680 --> 02:02:27,920
Speaker 1: Right.

2652
02:02:28,600 --> 02:02:30,960
Speaker 4: If here's where the gold poster get about to get moved,

2653
02:02:31,000 --> 02:02:33,080
Speaker 4: If it's about the rings, then Robert Ori is to go.

2654
02:02:33,280 --> 02:02:35,880
Speaker 3: Right right, and none of us thinks, oh, he.

2655
02:02:35,800 --> 02:02:38,360
Speaker 4: Didn't need nothing. He had never let any categories in

2656
02:02:38,400 --> 02:02:40,520
Speaker 4: the NBA. But every time he went to the finals

2657
02:02:40,840 --> 02:02:43,480
Speaker 4: he won. Right, he got seven rings, So you.

2658
02:02:43,520 --> 02:02:44,280
Speaker 1: Better than Jordan's.

2659
02:02:44,360 --> 02:02:49,280
Speaker 4: Oh man, Well, okay, I get I get it now, Okay.

2660
02:02:48,160 --> 02:02:49,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all coming out of MJ.

2661
02:02:50,160 --> 02:02:53,480
Speaker 2: But it's it's that deification, man, that really changed everything,

2662
02:02:53,520 --> 02:02:56,000
Speaker 2: because now I think it be in these kids' heads. Man,

2663
02:02:56,080 --> 02:02:59,240
Speaker 2: you got Kevin Durant going where he's going because of that.

2664
02:02:59,320 --> 02:03:03,200
Speaker 2: You got know, Kyrie Irving uh doing this ship because

2665
02:03:03,240 --> 02:03:04,320
Speaker 2: everything comes down.

2666
02:03:04,200 --> 02:03:06,640
Speaker 3: To like, if you ain't win a ring, then you

2667
02:03:06,840 --> 02:03:08,880
Speaker 3: then you wasted your career. The big thing.

2668
02:03:08,920 --> 02:03:12,040
Speaker 1: But im I love the player movement, No.

2669
02:03:11,920 --> 02:03:12,960
Speaker 3: No, no, I love it too.

2670
02:03:13,120 --> 02:03:15,680
Speaker 2: I just think it's funny that people hate it but

2671
02:03:15,720 --> 02:03:18,160
Speaker 2: then don't see their part in it, Like why do

2672
02:03:18,240 --> 02:03:18,680
Speaker 2: you hate it?

2673
02:03:18,720 --> 02:03:18,880
Speaker 3: Then?

2674
02:03:19,040 --> 02:03:21,680
Speaker 2: Because you're the one telling these dudes they ain't ship

2675
02:03:21,720 --> 02:03:23,760
Speaker 2: if they don't win a ring. But but at the

2676
02:03:23,800 --> 02:03:26,360
Speaker 2: same time, you get mad when the guys are like, well,

2677
02:03:26,440 --> 02:03:27,200
Speaker 2: let's go team.

2678
02:03:27,040 --> 02:03:28,800
Speaker 3: Up and get a ring. Oh that don't count.

2679
02:03:28,840 --> 02:03:30,400
Speaker 1: Why not? You know what I'm saying.

2680
02:03:30,680 --> 02:03:33,040
Speaker 2: And it's a big giveaway because look at these smaller

2681
02:03:33,120 --> 02:03:36,000
Speaker 2: markets where you have guys that are doing it big,

2682
02:03:36,360 --> 02:03:38,640
Speaker 2: but they're not going to go to get a championship.

2683
02:03:38,920 --> 02:03:40,440
Speaker 3: What does everybody say, now.

2684
02:03:41,280 --> 02:03:44,640
Speaker 2: Man, they should sit here, Oh they should go ahead

2685
02:03:44,640 --> 02:03:45,760
Speaker 2: and trade them to a contender.

2686
02:03:46,120 --> 02:03:48,720
Speaker 3: What kind of fucking logic is that? You know what

2687
02:03:48,760 --> 02:03:49,040
Speaker 3: I mean?

2688
02:03:49,120 --> 02:03:49,760
Speaker 1: Astrologic?

2689
02:03:52,800 --> 02:03:55,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's I pay my ticket in this in this

2690
02:03:55,440 --> 02:03:56,120
Speaker 3: local market.

2691
02:03:56,200 --> 02:03:58,680
Speaker 2: I want to go to a game, you got damn right.

2692
02:03:58,720 --> 02:04:01,040
Speaker 2: I don't want to see LaMelo ball, even if it's

2693
02:04:01,080 --> 02:04:03,040
Speaker 2: not for a ring, you know what I mean? Like

2694
02:04:03,120 --> 02:04:06,520
Speaker 2: it's everything a good time. Yes, everything can't be just

2695
02:04:06,800 --> 02:04:10,280
Speaker 2: analytics and championship or no championship, right.

2696
02:04:10,360 --> 02:04:12,560
Speaker 5: And also, the thing is, it's funny how a lot

2697
02:04:12,640 --> 02:04:15,440
Speaker 5: of people have selective memory when it comes to super teams.

2698
02:04:15,480 --> 02:04:18,320
Speaker 5: I was around in the eighties and the nineties when

2699
02:04:18,400 --> 02:04:20,520
Speaker 5: all these older players who had never won a ring

2700
02:04:20,640 --> 02:04:21,400
Speaker 5: shout out to Childs.

2701
02:04:21,440 --> 02:04:23,040
Speaker 3: Backley and some of these others.

2702
02:04:23,040 --> 02:04:25,840
Speaker 5: Started going to the Super Houston right, started going to

2703
02:04:25,920 --> 02:04:26,320
Speaker 5: these things.

2704
02:04:26,360 --> 02:04:27,760
Speaker 1: They just did not win.

2705
02:04:28,000 --> 02:04:30,120
Speaker 5: It did not mean this shit did not exist.

2706
02:04:30,200 --> 02:04:31,000
Speaker 3: They didn't win.

2707
02:04:31,600 --> 02:04:33,520
Speaker 5: And that's the part that kills me. People not go

2708
02:04:33,640 --> 02:04:35,360
Speaker 5: like this is a brand new fucking concept and it

2709
02:04:35,440 --> 02:04:35,680
Speaker 5: is not.

2710
02:04:35,880 --> 02:04:39,200
Speaker 2: Dacksla went to Houston. Jacksla went and I remember that.

2711
02:04:39,640 --> 02:04:40,800
Speaker 2: Everybody's like, oh my god.

2712
02:04:40,880 --> 02:04:41,360
Speaker 1: They traded.

2713
02:04:41,480 --> 02:04:44,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, they traded Odus Thorpe to get Clyde Drexler and

2714
02:04:44,760 --> 02:04:46,160
Speaker 4: the guys who the team hated it. I was in

2715
02:04:46,240 --> 02:04:49,680
Speaker 4: Houston at the time, and I'm still close to Clyde

2716
02:04:49,680 --> 02:04:51,360
Speaker 4: even though he went to University of Houston and I

2717
02:04:51,360 --> 02:04:53,480
Speaker 4: went to Rice and we're smart enemies.

2718
02:04:53,080 --> 02:04:56,880
Speaker 1: But you know him going there. They didn't know how

2719
02:04:56,920 --> 02:04:58,040
Speaker 1: it was gonna work there to succeeed.

2720
02:04:58,080 --> 02:05:01,520
Speaker 4: They were the only Succeeed to ever win the NBA Championship, right,

2721
02:05:01,800 --> 02:05:04,440
Speaker 4: because they had that nasty African on the front line

2722
02:05:04,440 --> 02:05:06,880
Speaker 4: who killed He killed everything.

2723
02:05:06,480 --> 02:05:07,320
Speaker 1: Moving in there.

2724
02:05:07,920 --> 02:05:10,400
Speaker 4: I guarantee you, I guarantee you, and I'm gonna put

2725
02:05:10,400 --> 02:05:14,120
Speaker 4: my I stand on this if they meet the Bulls

2726
02:05:14,120 --> 02:05:18,960
Speaker 4: in the finals. They cooked because they had nobody, nobody,

2727
02:05:19,000 --> 02:05:20,600
Speaker 4: and you look at their records against the Bulls in

2728
02:05:20,600 --> 02:05:22,760
Speaker 4: the regular season. I know the playoffs are different. I

2729
02:05:22,840 --> 02:05:25,480
Speaker 4: know this, but guys who have been there, who have

2730
02:05:25,560 --> 02:05:27,960
Speaker 4: played in the finals. He even played in the finals

2731
02:05:27,960 --> 02:05:30,720
Speaker 4: in eighty six there before, so it wasn't like he

2732
02:05:30,760 --> 02:05:31,880
Speaker 4: didn't know what to do.

2733
02:05:32,000 --> 02:05:34,360
Speaker 1: But now he was better and more trusting his teammates.

2734
02:05:34,640 --> 02:05:36,320
Speaker 1: I would love to see that serious. We never got

2735
02:05:36,360 --> 02:05:38,080
Speaker 1: a chance to see him. I believe that they would

2736
02:05:38,120 --> 02:05:38,520
Speaker 1: have beaten them.

2737
02:05:38,600 --> 02:05:42,080
Speaker 3: They will perdue. Was ready for the dream shake.

2738
02:05:42,160 --> 02:05:44,720
Speaker 1: You think Will Longley once on that work.

2739
02:05:48,320 --> 02:05:50,800
Speaker 4: Bill Cartwright would have got his clothes folded while we're

2740
02:05:50,840 --> 02:05:51,840
Speaker 4: still wearing him trying to.

2741
02:05:51,800 --> 02:05:55,280
Speaker 3: Guard the team I'm talking about talking about the dream shake.

2742
02:05:55,320 --> 02:05:57,560
Speaker 5: He'd have been shaking, taking them clothes off of them out.

2743
02:05:57,400 --> 02:06:04,400
Speaker 4: There, John dial Sprain, all kinds of eyelashes, socks, needs everything.

2744
02:06:04,080 --> 02:06:07,360
Speaker 3: Everything, all right. That's I'm gonna wrap it up. Man.

2745
02:06:07,360 --> 02:06:09,760
Speaker 3: We can talk to Will forever. We don't want to

2746
02:06:09,840 --> 02:06:12,800
Speaker 3: take your whole We won't. We won't wait this long

2747
02:06:12,840 --> 02:06:14,880
Speaker 3: to have you back next time. I promise that I

2748
02:06:14,880 --> 02:06:17,000
Speaker 3: appreciate you, man. You got a million stories.

2749
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Speaker 1: Man.

2750
02:06:17,360 --> 02:06:18,760
Speaker 3: I always enjoy talking with you.

2751
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Speaker 2: Because I always learned something new that I had no

2752
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Speaker 2: idea about, even if it's big eating chicken wings on

2753
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Speaker 2: the toilet. You know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: Hey, Look what we do is what we do is storytelling, right, yes, sir.

2755
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Speaker 4: And the fact that people have invested in the stories

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Speaker 4: we tell, tell and share because they find in a

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Speaker 4: feel like I'm a part of it and they are.

2759
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Speaker 4: And I'm appreciated to be able to have a platform

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Speaker 4: in the vehicle to not only share my stories, but

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Speaker 4: and vice versa.

2763
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Speaker 1: So you know, the loves still sharp and still all day,

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Speaker 1: all day.

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Speaker 3: Boom there you go.

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Speaker 2: Make sure y'all check out on Man Wall Street the

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Speaker 2: time we have them all. We'll get into the debate

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