1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: Welcome to Kesha and the Creepy is today. I'm so 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: excited to be talking to our next guest now, I 3 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: don't know how else about it. His name is Oberon 4 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: Zell Ravenhart, and he's a real wizard. He made unicorns, 5 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: he went on a quest for mermaids, and he lived 6 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: next door to a serial killer. And he's written many 7 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: books and we're talking to him today, so we have 8 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: a lot of ground to cover. Let's get into this. 9 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to Kesha and the Creepies. Thank you so much 10 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: for joining me today. I am so excited to have 11 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: the wizard oz Oberon Zell raven Heart. So if you 12 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: could just tell our listeners who you are and what 13 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: you do. I'm Oberon Zell. I'm a wizard. I am 14 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: the founder and headmaster of a school of wizardry called 15 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: the Gray School of Wizardry. I am the founder, a 16 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: co founder and Primate of the Church of All Worlds, 17 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 1: which is the oldest and first established pagan church in 18 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 1: the world. First one to claim, uh the identity of 19 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: pagan back in seven is when we first took that on. 20 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 1: It goes back quite a ways. I'm an author. I've 21 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: written a number of books on mostly on magical subjects 22 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: and also mythical beasties and forgotten history things like that, 23 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: and many more to come. I'm still working on that. 24 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: At one point I raised unicorns, which seems to have 25 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: been a bit of interest. Yes, oh my gosh, I'm 26 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: so happy you brought that up. So what else would 27 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: you like to know? What else would you like? I 28 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: would just love basically when I came across you on 29 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: the internet. So there's blessings that come with the Internet 30 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: as well as frustrations. I'm all over the place. Google 31 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: my name, you got all kinds of stuff. Yeah, Oberon 32 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: Zel Raven Heart, who's a wizard. I came across and 33 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: then I started diving deeper and all of a sudden 34 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: unicorns came up, which to anyone who knows me, they 35 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: know I'm obsessed with unicorns and rainbows, and I'm basically 36 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: like a five year old, but I'm thirty three. So 37 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 1: it took me on this journey to finding you. It 38 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:51,519 Speaker 1: was a quest to finding Oberon. So we found you, 39 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: tracked you down, and now I just wanted to like 40 00:02:54,639 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: hear from you how you created unicorns or did they 41 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 1: exist in the past, Like how tell me about that. Well, 42 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: many many years ago when my beloved life mate Morning Glory, 43 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: who we had forty years together until she h she 44 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 1: passed away, discorporated, moved on whatever six years ago. But 45 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: when we first got together we had so many shared interests. 46 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,839 Speaker 1: It was just uncanny we were actually reading the same 47 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 1: novel at the time we met. It was that and Kenny. 48 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: And one of the things we were interested in, as 49 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: we discovered earlier, was critters of all kinds. I mean, 50 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: we worked with critter care for during our life where 51 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: our house was a zoo inhabited all kinds of crutters. 52 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: We lived out in the woods for many years with 53 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: all kinds of wildlife being part of our household. We're 54 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: very much into animals, and we were particularly interested in 55 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: the mythical beasties, the legendary ones um you know, and 56 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: this range from from imaginary creatures entirely to ones that 57 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: were actually maybe real, but we haven't been able to 58 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: confirm them in cryptozoology, like you know, Lotinous Monster and 59 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: big Foot and stuff like that. And we are feeling 60 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: was that behind every story there was a grain of 61 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: truth somewhere, and we thought it would be really neat 62 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: to write a book in which we explored these stories 63 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: and found out what they were based on, found out 64 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 1: the truth at the heart of it. So we set 65 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: out to do research on that, and the book was 66 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: going to be called Creatures of Night Brought to Light, 67 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: which was inspired from the novel The Last Unicorn by 68 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: Peter Bagel, where there's this kind of a gipsy witch 69 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: who has a little traveling menagerie and she calls it 70 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: Creatures of Night Brought to Light. So we thought that 71 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: would be a cool title for a book. So as 72 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: we were doing our research and traveling around the country, 73 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: this is before there was an internet, before you could 74 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: google stuff. Now it's easy, but back in those days 75 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: you had to go to libraries, and we traveled around 76 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: and and visited libraries all over the place, and in 77 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 1: one of those at the University of Oregon and Eugene, Oregon, 78 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: we discovered the secret of the Unicorn, and that is 79 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: basically that unicorns were real animals who actually existed at 80 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: various times in past, but they were not a species, 81 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: so they did not continue. They were in art form 82 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: that was created by a secret um process of animal 83 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: husbandry that had been discovered and lost, and we discovered 84 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: several times throughout history and applied to different species of 85 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 1: horned animals. So the earliest unicorns that we saw from 86 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: the Bronze Age, like four thousand years ago were tarine. 87 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 1: They were bull unicorns. There was a the Oriental unicorn 88 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 1: are cherving their deer unicorns. They have branching horn. The 89 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: h The Golden Age of Greece was inaugurated by the 90 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: appearance of an airing ram unicorn at the court of 91 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: the newly inaugurated um King of Athens, Pericles, whose reign 92 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: was the Golden Age of Greece. There are many many 93 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: of these that have here, but the ones that were 94 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: the most famous were the caprine unicorns we see in 95 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 1: the medieval tapestries. Those are the ones with the beards. Now, 96 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: there's only one kind of animal on the planet mammal 97 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: that has hoofs and beards in that's goats, and we 98 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: set about finding the right breeding stock to be the 99 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: animals that look like the tapestries. Everybody always assumes, naturally, 100 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: because of all appearances, that they grow out of the skull, 101 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: but they don't. Their growth is precipitated, stimulated by glands 102 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: that are in the skin over the center over the 103 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: forehead before birth, and they're in there purely in the skin, 104 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: and these are called horn buds. And there's a little 105 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 1: glands and within the first twenty four hours after birth, 106 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: these glands start secreting enzymes, and the enzymes percolate down 107 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: into the bone and stimulate the development of horns at 108 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: that point. So it does end up going into the 109 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 1: bone eventually, the enzymes do. But what before they do. 110 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: The skin is loose, just like the skin on the 111 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: back of your hand or on your own forehead, and 112 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: these can be manipulated. And if the tissue is manipulated 113 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: so that both of the nodes secrete their enzymes in 114 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: one spot, a single horn will grow rather than two 115 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: separate ones. And the trick is uniting the hornbuds prior 116 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: to the beginning of the process. And this um this 117 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: was actually a discovery that was made by a biologist 118 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: name of Franklin Dove in the nineteen thirties at the 119 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: main research station in in in Maine, the state of Maine, 120 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: and he was interested in he was studying horn development 121 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: and he discovered that's how horns developed, and then he 122 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: did he was interested in unicorns just out of curiosity 123 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: and fascination. He said, I wonder if that may be 124 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: how unicorns could have been created. So he tried it 125 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: on a newborn bull calf and it worked, and he 126 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: produced He produced this dificent taurine unicorn that got very 127 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: little attention because it was just the middle of the 128 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: beginning of World War two and everybody forgotten. Besides that, 129 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: they didn't look like anybody's idea of a unicorn. It 130 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: was a big bull with a single horn. But the 131 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: earliest there aren't believed. Nobody cared about this. Well it 132 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: was odd. It just kind of got lost and forgotten 133 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: and obscured by history. But look, think of this. You 134 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: said that, Um, everybody these days you talked to you 135 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: asked about unicorns, and everybody, well, they're just a mythical beast. 136 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: They're not real, you know, It's just it's just not 137 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: a real thing. And yet it was only forty years 138 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: ago in that living unicorns were brought back to the 139 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: world and were all the big sensation for the entire 140 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 1: decade of the eighties that we were in every newspaper, 141 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: every magazine or TV shows, books. It was huge. It 142 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: was a sensation, and forty years later, the world has forgotten? 143 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: Are unicorns getting written out of history? Well that's the thing. 144 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: Isn't it interesting? Isn't that fascinating? How much else has 145 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: been written out of history? How much else have we 146 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: lost and forgotten? How many of the things as myths 147 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: and legends were actually something true? Which is what initially 148 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: was the start of our book. That's what we wanted 149 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: to write a book about. And we did write the book. 150 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: And there's a chapter in it about the unicorns, and 151 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: there's chapters in it about mermaids and unicorns and dragons 152 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: and all kinds of things. Can you tell me about 153 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: mermaids because I really, um, I find I fancy myself 154 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 1: a mermaid, So I want to know your your wisdoms 155 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: of the mermaids. So as for mermaids. After that, after 156 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 1: we made our lease agreement with the Circus, we decided, 157 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:44,599 Speaker 1: will what are we gonna do next? What can we 158 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: do for an encore? And at that time there were 159 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 1: reports coming into the Crypto Zoological Society, which we had joined, 160 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:56,839 Speaker 1: about sightings of mermaids um in the Coral Sea in 161 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 1: and off of an island called New Ireland, just just 162 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,959 Speaker 1: north of New Guinea. And we said well, we should 163 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: get up an expedition then and go and find him. 164 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: That would seem like a pretty cool thing to do. 165 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: So we all took Scooba lessons. We got a crew 166 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: of thirteen people, including an underwater film crew that had 167 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: done a movie called The Deep, and they joined us 168 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: for that and we hired a dive boat and we 169 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: sailed to the island of New Ireland and there they 170 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: were and we found them. Um, it was a lot 171 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: more to the adventure than that, And you can see 172 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: the whole story in the video that was made as 173 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:42,719 Speaker 1: a video documentary called The Wizard Odds, so it's in there, 174 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: so they're the truth behind that legend. Is also a 175 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:50,359 Speaker 1: living creature that is called the fish mary or the fishwoman, 176 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: which is basically equivalent to our word mermaid, which means 177 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,199 Speaker 1: woman of the sea. And the main reason for that 178 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: identification is that the females have breasts like a human woman. 179 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: And and the idea was that everything that has lives 180 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: on land has an analog in the sea, so we 181 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: have sea lions and sea elephants and you know, sea 182 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: horses and all these kind of things. So the idea 183 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: of having sea women with these creatures seem logical, and 184 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: many people have associated the mermaid legend with Syrenea, which 185 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: is essentially correct, but they mistakenly identified them with dugongs, 186 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: which don't look anything like that, and they have this 187 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:30,199 Speaker 1: big paddle shaped tail like a spoon, whereas the the 188 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: the the sorry not to goods manatees, sorry manatees, manatees, 189 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: Is that what it was? Because I saw the video 190 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: the wizard. Yeah, and the manatees are not are not 191 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,839 Speaker 1: the same at all. They're they're big, fat, slow moving 192 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: freshwater critters with these big, flat, spoon shaped tails. But 193 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: these animals, the ones that give rise to the legend 194 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: of the Mermaid, are as different from that as a 195 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: sea lion is from a walrus. In other words, they 196 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: live in the ocean. They're fast and sleek, and have 197 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 1: a tail like a whale tail. It was beautiful fluke 198 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: to tail, and they're extremely rare and probably on the 199 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: verge of extinction at this point, so it's um it's 200 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,319 Speaker 1: quite an issue, and our discovery of them identified with 201 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: the Mermaid legend was a big deal because we observed 202 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: them in the wild behavior that was not known at 203 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,439 Speaker 1: all to have occurred. So but we tracked it down. 204 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: We tracked the legend down to its source and we 205 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: did a big report for the Cryptal Zoological Society, and 206 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: we filmed the whole thing and came home pretty broke 207 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: and that was that was the end of the story 208 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: with that. Was that sad as someone who it was 209 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: very sack. It was tragic because while we were at 210 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: the village with it, the sightings had been done. Um 211 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: the one evening, a little Japanese tugboat called Cuddles pulled 212 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 1: into the into the harbor and anchored next to us 213 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: and the eat there have been a Japanese enterprise on 214 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: the island where they were cutting down the forest and 215 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: putting piling the logs monstrous, big old rainforest logs up 216 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: into a raft at the beach, and then the idea 217 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,079 Speaker 1: would be eventually this big, huge ship would come and 218 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: a little tugboat would come up and tie up the 219 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 1: raft of logs and haul it out to the big 220 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 1: ship where they would take it to Japan and sank 221 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: them all in the water, awaiting the end of the 222 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,439 Speaker 1: total deforestation of the rainforests of the islands. It's a 223 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: big story, kind of an awful one actually, and we 224 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: discovered all this going on. So that evening, however, we 225 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 1: were on shore with the local folks having a sing, 226 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: sing and uh, you know, having a nice little feast 227 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 1: and singing songs to each other. We sang them grateful 228 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: dead songs. We had musicians and they sang us their 229 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: songs that they knew, which was really sad because these 230 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 1: people have been there for maybe forty thousand years. These 231 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: are the last neander tall people dennis Ovans, we now 232 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: say um and their traditions went back to the dawn 233 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 1: of time. But the missionaries had showed up there around 234 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: World War two and had forbidden them their own customs 235 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: and language, and they had taken from them their artifacts 236 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: and put them in museums and had instead taught them 237 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: Christian hymns in Susserunga, their language, and all they could 238 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: do was apologetically seeing Christian hymns like a way in 239 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: a manger and stuff in there sunga language. So that 240 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: was also a tragedy. And the next morning there was 241 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: we got up to do our morning sighting because we 242 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: had seen them the night before in the bay just 243 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: at sunset, and so we got up at dawn to 244 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: see the dawn appearance because they only came in at 245 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: dawn and sunset. Otherwise they lived down in the ocean. 246 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: And there was something up on the shore, and with 247 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: a feeling of dread in my heart, I jumped overboard 248 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: and swam ashore. And there was the female of this 249 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: family pod. There had been a male of female and 250 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: a baby, and she was dead at the shore with 251 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: a bullet hole in her. And the little tugboat was gone, 252 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: and the logs had not been taken, and it was 253 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: pretty easy to see what had happened that somebody on 254 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: the little boat that had simply shot her and then oh, 255 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: we're going to be in trouble, so they left. But 256 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: what would be the purpose of that? I mean that see, 257 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: that's where I would not know how to reconcile like 258 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: I would get. So yep, we were. We were heartbroken 259 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: and angry and upset and freaked out. It was devastating 260 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: for us as well as for the people of the village, 261 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: and you can see that in the video. It was 262 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: just why people would do a thing like that. I 263 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: don't know, why do people go around carrying guns and 264 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: shoot at things? You know, Um, I don't understand big 265 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: game hunters. I don't understand people who go to Africa 266 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: and want to shoot rhinos and elephants and lions. I 267 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: don't either. I thought maybe in your wizardry you would 268 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: have some sort of understanding of that part of humanity, 269 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: because that's something that also is like such a huge 270 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: question to me, like why I don't understand that urge. 271 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: I think he has something to do with wanting to 272 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: have dominion over nature. If you recall the story of 273 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: the Garden of Eden in the Bible, after the people 274 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: are cast out of the garden for disobedience and becoming enlightened. Uh, 275 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: the order is that you shall go out and have 276 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: dominion over every creature on the earth. No. Wait, that's 277 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: after the Noah's flood. Sorry, Noah's after That's when it 278 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: is Noah. Yeah, when he lands, then God says, okay, 279 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: you shall now have dominion over everything that lives on 280 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: the earth, and everything that crawls on the land, and 281 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: that swims in the sea and flies in the air. 282 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: You shall be the terror and the dread of every 283 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: living thing. And that's the charge that's given to humanity 284 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: in that story. And there's people who feel that that's 285 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: what they want to do, that drive to dominate, to 286 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:04,719 Speaker 1: have dominion is a powerful force, evidently because it has 287 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: led us to empires and conquests and wars and tyrants 288 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 1: and dictators throughout all of history, a lot of destruction 289 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: that I feel like, well, because this is something I 290 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: write songs about a lot. Is just why people need 291 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: chaos and why we need conflict and drama, and I 292 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: just that need. I have it. Most people I know 293 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: have some fascination with a version of it, but I 294 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: guess I just don't understand where that comes from or 295 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 1: how to eradicate it from my heart, because I feel 296 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: like coming to peace is the ultimate like that's the 297 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: ultimate objective. It is, it is, and we have to 298 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: go past this, we really do. We have to outgrow this. 299 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: It's it's it's a great plague of humanity, this idea 300 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: that we must have dominion over everything everyone else. And 301 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: and a new culture has been emerging and recovering. I mean, 302 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 1: once upon a time, I think that's the way we were, 303 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: and many many people are, you know, perfectly nice. And 304 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: the traditional Native American aspect about how nature is perceived 305 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: that we see in uh, you know, words of Chief 306 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: Seattle and stuff like that are very profound that we are. 307 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 1: I mean, the real lesson here is that we are 308 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 1: all children of the same mother, and we are all one. 309 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 1: We are not separate beings. We do not Our mission 310 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: is not to have dominion over the earth and all 311 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 1: of all the creatures. Our mission is to um to 312 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 1: achieve that kind of a oneness, to restore the family, 313 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:39,959 Speaker 1: to restore into heal, into nurture and protect and all 314 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 1: that stuff. And it is emerging. No, I definitely think 315 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: that there's progress in both directions. It's like it feels 316 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: like the pendulum swings towards darkness and it's really intense, 317 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: but then it swings towards light and it's really intense, 318 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: like kind of like it's all a question of which 319 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: wolful wind is that you want to take the old story, 320 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: you know, and it's the one you feed. So we 321 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: have to feed the world we want to have, and 322 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: this is a good time for that, because um is is. 323 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: I've mentioned a few times in this conversation, but they 324 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: haven't really gotten too far. This is the the next 325 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 1: sixty year cultural renaissance cycle is that every sixty years 326 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 1: back to the Italian Renaissance of the fourteen eighties, there's 327 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 1: been a cultural renaissance, the Reformation of the fifteen forties, 328 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 1: the the Golden Age of the Elizabethan English Renaissance of 329 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:37,360 Speaker 1: the sixteen hundred's, the Scientific Revolution of the sixteen sixties, 330 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: the Great Awakening of the seventeen twenties, the French and 331 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: American revolutions and Age of Reason the seventeen eighties, the 332 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:49,439 Speaker 1: Transcendentalist Awakening of the eighteen forties, the Golden Dawn at 333 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: the turn of the century, and the New Age cultural 334 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: revolution of the nineteen sixties. And now we're at the 335 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 1: dawning year of the next one, which is being called 336 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: the Awakening. And so here we are again, here we are. 337 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: So do you believe that, like what do you believe 338 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: the Awakening is going to bring? Ah? Well, I think 339 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: that there will be a new wave of positive consciousness. 340 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: I mean, look at the previous ones. Look at what 341 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: they have brought. The last time around brought us um, 342 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: you know, the sexual freedom movement, the free speech movement, 343 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: the civil rights movement, the women's movement, the gay rights movement, 344 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: the environmental movement, and the pagan movement for that matter, 345 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: and so many of the movements of positive energy that 346 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 1: have shaped the world over the last sixty years. All 347 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: began the last time, and then the previous ones. We 348 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,719 Speaker 1: have the same thing, the poetry, the music, the art 349 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: of each of these film museums, you know, and still 350 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: inspire us. You know, We're still play the music of Beeto, 351 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 1: and we still read the poetry of Whitman. You know, 352 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: he's still you know, look at the art of Michael 353 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: Angelo and Leonardo da Vinci. These all occurred during the 354 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 1: sense when when I think about like the latest one 355 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: would be the sixties, the nineteen sixties, then I think 356 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: of the music at that time, it's always so inspirational, 357 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 1: just full of like each of these ages is accompanied 358 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,640 Speaker 1: by its own music, and you, as a music musician, 359 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 1: are in a space now to be bringing part of 360 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: the new revolution of what is the music going to 361 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,360 Speaker 1: be of this age? The music of the Awakening. I'm 362 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure, without having heard your stuff, that you're 363 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: already doing it well, no pressure, but I'm going to 364 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 1: try to fully embrace the awakening and try to bring 365 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 1: it into the musical realm of the soundtrack of the Awakening. 366 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: It's crazy to me that what the world has forgotten, 367 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: and like what you said, earlier when we first started talking. 368 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 1: What just kind of gets like women in the patriarch 369 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: you get written out of history, and that is a 370 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: sad omission. And I think that women have been liberally 371 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 1: erased from history by centuries of patriarchal oppression. The rise 372 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 1: of the patriarchy, which has occurred in not just one 373 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: single thing, but many episodes over the last thirty six 374 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: hundred years or so at least, has some largely been 375 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: designed to try to disempower women and erase women from 376 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: the history and from the recording. One of the greatest 377 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 1: of all, in my mind, one of the great women wizards, 378 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 1: was Hypatia of Alexandria, and she was the last librarian 379 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: of the Great Library and an incredible teacher and an 380 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: amazing woman. And they made a wonderful movie about her 381 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,199 Speaker 1: called ed Gora, which I highly recommend. It's very authentic. 382 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 1: She was an incredible woman. You know, um hat Chupsuit 383 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: was the first recorded female pharaoh, and since it was 384 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: so unusual for women to rule, she even had to 385 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: wear a little fake beard, you know, attached to her 386 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: ears with a strap. It was like, very cute. Why 387 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 1: does it seem like men the patriarchy want to erase 388 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 1: women and from history is it a what is that? 389 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 1: What does that need power? Women have a different kind 390 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 1: of an agenda overall when it comes to power, women's 391 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 1: goals tend to be towards creating security and and thinking 392 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 1: towards the succeeding generations. The women have generally raised the 393 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: children and bear the children and want to make the 394 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: world a better place for them, whereas men want to rule, 395 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: you know they and these are competing agendas very often 396 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 1: and every we find in history there are many societies 397 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: which you see, they have a stopping point. They're frozen 398 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: at a moment in time. And if that may be 399 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: the Middle Ages, like uh, we see in the Middle East, 400 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: they're frozen in the Middle Ages right there, they're still 401 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: stuck in this time. We see places that are frozen 402 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: in the Stone Age. And in all of these there's 403 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: a story, it may be a historical story or just 404 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: a legend in which the men rose up and took 405 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: away the power from women because prime primarily originally women 406 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: held the greatest power because of having the power to 407 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: bring forth new life. Without that, you've got nothing, you know, 408 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: I mean, you get rid of the women and you 409 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: don't have any more babies. That's kind of basic there. 410 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: And so in the fundamental society structure, the men's job 411 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: was to provide and nurture and protect the women and 412 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: to be that, to be the you know, to go 413 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: out and do the hunting, to go out and you know, 414 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: defend the village against invaders, all that kind of good stuff. 415 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: But all of the advances of civilization we consider cultural 416 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: advances in um, well, all all the arts, all the 417 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: domestic arts. The domestication means making a home, you know, 418 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 1: and that's what women have been engaged in and uh 419 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: invented basketry and weaving and and cloth making and cooking 420 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 1: and pottery and it goes on and on an and 421 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: all these things, whereas men's primary contributions historically been weapons. 422 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 1: That's what the men want to do. Just like any 423 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 1: new wonderful invention that people come up with today, the 424 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 1: military comes in and wants to figure out how to 425 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: recognize it. And that's what the guys do. It's embarrassing. 426 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: As a guy, I really well, I wanted to know 427 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: what that is, that desire to destroy versus I do 428 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: feel as a woman even when I see someone I 429 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: don't know. I feel very protective and um, you know, 430 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 1: if I go out and I see another woman at 431 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: a bar or something like, I will always be super 432 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: protective of other people and other women, even other children. 433 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: I see that I aren't my children. I don't particularly 434 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: like children that much, but I am so much more protective. 435 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: You know, as animals, we want to procreate and have 436 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: our lineage go on in the world, but at the 437 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 1: same time we have more and kill each other's children 438 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: over whatever fill in the blank of religion, over oil, 439 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 1: over whatever. And I just never understood that I've m 440 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: I am a woman, but I also feel like I 441 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: have a lot of masculine tendencies because I grew up 442 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: without a dad, and I have really made my life 443 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: for myself. So I feel like my yin and yang 444 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: I have a I have a lot of both. Like 445 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: the masculine is very strong, sometimes to the point where 446 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: I wish it would calm down, and then I'm also 447 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: very emotional, so then the feminine is very strong. I've 448 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 1: got both sides flaring. I think the goal of the 449 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: ideal optimal thing is balanced, as you said, the integration 450 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: of the yinni yang and all of that and um 451 00:26:55,320 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 1: and and in civilization, humanity, especially patriarchal humanity, has gotten 452 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 1: way out of balance and it is driven on imbalance. 453 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard to know exactly where it started, 454 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 1: but there was one particular moment in history that that 455 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: is I think pivotal, and that was in sixteen b C. 456 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: When um the Bronze Age came to an end and 457 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: the Iron Age began with the devastating natural cataclysm, the 458 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 1: explosion of a huge volcano north of Creek in the 459 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: and and our legend of Atlantis stems from this event, 460 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: and the events of that time also are whether recorded 461 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 1: in the story of the Exodus. The parting of the 462 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: Red Sea, for example, was a tsunami drawing the water 463 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: out from that particular explosion. So we can pinpoint the 464 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: date of these things to sixty seven because we have 465 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: the lava and stuff, and it was it was devastating. 466 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 1: And up to that time, the culture of the Mediterranean, Egypt, 467 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 1: the Middle Kingdom of Egypt, the Middle Kingdom of the 468 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: Middle Age of Greece, all these cultures were very um egalitarian. 469 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: You know, we don't see these this big power struggle 470 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 1: and weapons and wars and military stuff in that era, 471 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: most of the cities were unfortified. You didn't see big 472 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: walls around them and defenses. What we see is um 473 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 1: You know, men and women are working together in partnership 474 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,199 Speaker 1: and building societies based on trade primarily, and we had 475 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 1: trading empires where people were all over the world, very 476 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: different than conquest in war and aggression. But then this 477 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 1: thing happened, and it was incredibly destructive. And before that time, 478 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: the orientation that people had religiously was towards the Earth, 479 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: towards Mother Earth and her children. The We have the 480 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: story of the Battle of the Titans and the Greek 481 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 1: mythology where the Titans were the children of Mother Earth 482 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: of Gaya and they were defeated by the rising new Olympians, 483 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: who were the sky gods who conquered them. We see 484 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: the same thing in the Norse mythology of the taking 485 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: over from the Vanier, or in Christianity the story and Judaism, 486 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: the story of the War in Heaven where the rebel 487 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: angels were cast down and defeated. This is a recurrent 488 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: kind of a theme of a conflict, and that all 489 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: revolves around this particular moment in history that was pivotal 490 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: because One of the things that happened at that time 491 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: was a reign of Nicola iron meteorits meteorite all throughout 492 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: the whole Middle East centered around the Black Sea, and 493 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,959 Speaker 1: iron in the ancient times could only be obtained from 494 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: meteors meteoric iron. Forging iron from iron ore requires affords 495 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: that has to reach temperatures that were simply not available 496 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: in ancient times. So any iron that we had from 497 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: the old days was always meteoric nicola iron. Well, there 498 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: wasn't much of that, you know, there really wasn't. Most 499 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: of the meteors are stony anyway, and very rare to 500 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: find an iron one. But at this time, suddenly there 501 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: was this rain from heavens of thunderbolts of the gods, 502 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: is how they were interpreted. Because the people who lived 503 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: in the steps of Asia around the Black Sea, especially 504 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: to the north side of it, we're nomads, nomadic horse people. 505 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: They were the people who first domesticated horses for riding, 506 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: and they live that way. They just rode their horses 507 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: on a great sea of grass with no features, no forests, 508 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: no lakes, no rivers, no mountains, just an endless sea 509 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: of grass. And so their markers were not on the ground, 510 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: not terrestrial markers like we make now on our maps. 511 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: Their maps were of the heavens, the stars, and the planets, 512 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: and they named all the constellations, all the constellations that 513 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: we now utilize. There's where they came from. These guys 514 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: laying on their backs, they're looking at the stars and 515 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: making star maps. We even see star maps in cave 516 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: paintings on the ceilings of caves where people were doing that. 517 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: And then suddenly, out of nowhere, suddenly these streaks of light, 518 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: these thunderbolts from the heavens are raining down upon the 519 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: obviously hurled by the gods, you know, because the planets 520 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: also specifically were thought to be gods. All of our 521 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 1: names of the planets today their names of gods, Jupiter 522 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: and Venus, Mars, Saturn, you know, all of those Venus, 523 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: all of them. And so this is what you got 524 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: up there in this Suddenly, this particular bunch of people 525 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: were equipped with invincible weaponry that the world had never 526 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: seen before, and they were in the technology involved in 527 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: working with copper, which everybody had at that time during 528 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: during the Bronze, and copper age could easily be utilized 529 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: to to beat nicolayon meteor at nicolayon, which is like 530 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: stainless steel. It's it can also be magnetized, which makes 531 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: it magic, which is also pretty cool. You could have 532 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: magic swords that were magnetic. And with these iron weapons, 533 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 1: with their swords and spears of iron points, they came 534 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 1: crashing through the remnants of civilizations for that time that 535 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: had been devastated by earthquakes and volcanoes and and tsunamis 536 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 1: and stuff, which are all in the record, you know. 537 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: And there's iron stuff cut through the copper and bronze 538 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: shields and weapons like a hot knife through butter. And 539 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: it was devastating. And this is called the Aryan invasion 540 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: because the word Aryan means iron, and it also means meteorite. 541 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: That's where the word comes from. Iron Aryan, meteorite, the 542 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: same word, same thing. And so a new pantheon emerged, 543 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: a new kind of God's, God's not of the earth, 544 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: but of the sky. God's who were whose power was 545 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: not in growth and regeneration, God's whose power was in 546 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 1: destruction and devastation. And this became the new religion. Because 547 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: these people had the weapons and they killed everybody who 548 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: stood in their way. They just simply wiped him out. 549 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 1: They destroyed the temples, they raped and murdered the priestesses, 550 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: they killed the men trying to defend the villages. And 551 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: out of that arose a whole new religion, a patriarchal 552 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 1: mono theistic religion based on a powerful God who lived 553 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: in the sky. Sound familiar at that moment, and this 554 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: is the moment of the exodus and the interest of enough. 555 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 1: At the same time, a new means of communicating emerged 556 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: um and that's the alphabet. The Before that time, there 557 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: was no alphabetic writing. Alpha writing was all done where 558 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 1: it existed at all, in by drawing pictures hieroglyphs. People 559 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 1: try to draw pictures and ideas. The first alphabet, that 560 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: is a couple of dozen symbols that represented sounds of 561 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: spoken speech phonemes, was invented by Moses to write down 562 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: the Ten Commandments, because that you cannot write the ten 563 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: Commandments and hieroglyphs, So we invented the first alphabet. Other 564 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: alphabets were invented later on by other people. Mohammed inventedy 565 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: the Arabic alphabet. So this is this began, and what 566 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 1: this process in gave us was a shift in the 567 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 1: in the hemispheres of our brain from one side to 568 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: the other. The focus previously, when we were doing visual 569 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: communications and um and and all the type of world 570 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,320 Speaker 1: from that was basically right brain stuff that the hemisphere 571 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:18,359 Speaker 1: brain you associate with intuition, emotion, dreams, music, poetry, all 572 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,720 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff that had been the primary locus 573 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: of consciousness, and it's still the primary locus of consciousness, 574 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 1: predominantly women, exactly. The left hemisphere was the hemisphere that 575 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:37,439 Speaker 1: governed mechanical stuff and practical things and and mathematical things 576 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff that we associate with 577 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,839 Speaker 1: the right hand. So the right hand versus the left 578 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:47,320 Speaker 1: hand kind of thinking here and that shifted. It shifted 579 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 1: over two. So we got a whole new kind of 580 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,360 Speaker 1: a culture, a right handed culture. And all the weapons 581 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 1: and tools that emerged were meant to be used only 582 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 1: by the right hand. Trying to use ordinary scissors with 583 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,839 Speaker 1: your left hands, or almost any tools are all made. 584 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: My mom is left handed, Does that mean she is 585 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: more um left brain or right brain right which the 586 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 1: sides of the brains control the opposite side, Yes, stronger. 587 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 1: But here's the real kick. The communication between the atmospheres 588 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,919 Speaker 1: occurs right down the middle, in an area card called 589 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 1: the corpus colossum that allows both sides to talk to 590 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 1: each other. And in women, the corpus colosum is normally 591 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 1: much much larger than it is normally in men. Now 592 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: there are men whose corpus colosum is bigger and who 593 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: communicate with each other with both sides, artists, musicians and 594 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: so on, who have better communication, but by and march um, 595 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 1: and especially in some extreme cases, the corpus colossum for 596 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,760 Speaker 1: men is a whole lot smaller, and they're not talking 597 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: to the other side at all, especially the very extreme 598 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 1: examples of the tyrants and misbilities some men I met 599 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 1: really really believe you with that one. I mean, you 600 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: don't have to look too far to see them in government, 601 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 1: you know. Yes. So that's basically the story. And for 602 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 1: the last thirty six hundred years, this uh new monotheistic 603 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 1: religion worshiping an omnipotent sky father who destroyed by wrath 604 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 1: and thunderbolts, had taken over the world and its various 605 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 1: mutations to become the dominant religion. Because it's that's what 606 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 1: it's all about. Is dominance, dominion. They want to rule 607 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: the world. You know. In fact, the strongest sect of 608 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 1: that today are called dominionists. That's that's what they even 609 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: call themselves. They want to have dominion, they want to 610 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:48,319 Speaker 1: rule the dominius. It's it's the significant branch of Christianity, 611 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 1: of which Vice President Pence is a is a prominent member. 612 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 1: For example, they used to in fact, if kids were 613 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,160 Speaker 1: left handed, they would force them to become right handed. 614 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 1: The left hand is called the sinister hand. That's the 615 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 1: French for left Latin. And that also we think of 616 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 1: that as evil. So a lot of women were persecuted 617 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 1: and burned at the steaks, which is for being left handed. 618 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 1: You know, my mom would definitely have been burned at 619 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 1: the steak. I think I probably would have been burned 620 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 1: by now too, if that was the thing that it 621 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 1: was a purge to try in Europe, to try to 622 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 1: simply purge the gene pool of intelligent, strong, powerful, creative, 623 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 1: independent women. And I think that the most exciting thing 624 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 1: of this time, this century, this past century, this past 625 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,160 Speaker 1: hundred years or so, going from um, you know, giving 626 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,279 Speaker 1: getting women getting the vote for a little over a 627 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 1: hundred years ago, has been the re empowerment of women, 628 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,880 Speaker 1: women taking a new place back in the world. This 629 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 1: is huge after thirty six hundred years of trying to 630 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 1: suppress you guys. You know, they can't do that anymore. 631 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:00,840 Speaker 1: They're not allowed to burn. It's at least not in 632 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 1: this country. I mean in the Middle East, you know, 633 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,239 Speaker 1: it's still that way. There is a rising of a 634 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:10,800 Speaker 1: new cult of really horrible guys called the insults involuntary solivates. 635 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,359 Speaker 1: I've heard of this, but I don't know. I would 636 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 1: love for you to tell me about this, because I've 637 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,080 Speaker 1: recently heard about it, but I don't actually know. I 638 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,440 Speaker 1: don't know the facts about what an in cell is. 639 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,919 Speaker 1: It's basically guys who can't get laid because their their 640 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,759 Speaker 1: well they're not they're not nice, you know, That's what 641 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,319 Speaker 1: way of putting it. And they think that they are 642 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: owed that that that that's what they should have and 643 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 1: so uh they feel that rape and persecution to women 644 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,960 Speaker 1: and even killing women who won't put out is justified 645 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 1: to them, and it's become a whole subculture. It can 646 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 1: be very embarrassing to be human, especially when I see 647 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,000 Speaker 1: um the treatment of animals and just other human beings. 648 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 1: Because I've read that you love animals. I had a 649 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,800 Speaker 1: connection with a book constrictor when You're young, and I 650 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:04,840 Speaker 1: have your book here, Grimmoire for the Apprentice Wizard, and 651 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:09,239 Speaker 1: this is by Oberon Zel raven Heart, and it is 652 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:17,640 Speaker 1: basically a handbook on how to start a journey into wizardry? 653 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 1: Would you put it that way? Having written that book, 654 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,279 Speaker 1: realizing how that actually would put together a textbook, the 655 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 1: next thing we had to do is to create a 656 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,799 Speaker 1: school to use it. So that kind of gave rise 657 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,680 Speaker 1: to the Gray School of wizard Rate started with that 658 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 1: book and it's still a basic textbook for the first 659 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,720 Speaker 1: for the first level in the schools blowing my mind 660 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,840 Speaker 1: and I I feel like I was raised by a 661 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:46,799 Speaker 1: very open minded hippie woman, and it's there's so much 662 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 1: information in here. Every chapter is like a different level. 663 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 1: You're making my brain just step up into whole different 664 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,440 Speaker 1: perception level. Every chapter I read of this book. So 665 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:03,080 Speaker 1: I recommend everybody out there get this book. Is fascinating. 666 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 1: It is so interesting. It makes me connect deeper to 667 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:11,560 Speaker 1: myself and also those around me, that animals around me, 668 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,840 Speaker 1: the earth, everything. It just kind of puts it all 669 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 1: into this really beautiful perspective that I personally have been 670 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 1: so busy that I don't stop and connect to that often, 671 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,759 Speaker 1: which is why I'm really excited to talk to you. 672 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 1: But keep going. I didn't want to interrupt you. I 673 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,160 Speaker 1: just wanted to tell you that I love your book 674 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,120 Speaker 1: and I wanted everybody to know that your books amazing. 675 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 1: When I formed the Gray Council, I got a hold 676 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:41,560 Speaker 1: of a collection of a couple of dozen prominent stages 677 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 1: and majors that I happen to know in the magical community. 678 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 1: I set forth the goal for the book to work 679 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,160 Speaker 1: together to create a handbook that we all wish we 680 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,239 Speaker 1: could have gotten ahold of when we were starting on 681 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,440 Speaker 1: the path, and one that come around our next incarnation. 682 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,120 Speaker 1: This is the book we want to get handed to 683 00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,759 Speaker 1: us of our coming of age. You know that kind 684 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,919 Speaker 1: of and that it would be something that you keep 685 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,759 Speaker 1: is a lifetime reference like the Boy Scout Handbook. So 686 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:10,239 Speaker 1: I'm giving this to everyone for Christmas, and I know 687 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:14,040 Speaker 1: that Christmas is I mean, you tell you tell me. 688 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,600 Speaker 1: I actually don't know much about paganism because I know 689 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,840 Speaker 1: that the Church of All Worlds, you were one of 690 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:24,000 Speaker 1: the founding members of and that's neo paganism. So what 691 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,680 Speaker 1: is the what are some of like the founding beliefs 692 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 1: and is it a religion or is it just more 693 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 1: of a community. Well, you know, um, that's a very 694 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,840 Speaker 1: interesting way of putting it. Um it is a religion. 695 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,200 Speaker 1: Um it is also the Church of all worlds specifically, 696 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,520 Speaker 1: is a church. The church is a community of people 697 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:47,239 Speaker 1: who share a common vision and values, belief system, faith, 698 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:52,320 Speaker 1: whatever it may be. So that's what constitutes a church. Um. Religion, 699 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,480 Speaker 1: the word means re linking and it's it's all of 700 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,880 Speaker 1: that that connects us with the larger world, with each other. Ever, 701 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,520 Speaker 1: anything like that, that's what the word means and should mean. 702 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,520 Speaker 1: It should not mean chochanity, which is unfortunately the way 703 00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:10,360 Speaker 1: it's become understood by far too many people today. And 704 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,920 Speaker 1: we've been losing a really important concept which people replace 705 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 1: with spirituality, which is all very nifty, but that's really 706 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,160 Speaker 1: only about the realm of the spirit you know, we'reas 707 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,520 Speaker 1: it's also important to connect with the realm of the 708 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,719 Speaker 1: material world as well. Everything everything should be connected. We've 709 00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,920 Speaker 1: severed all these connections. We've severed men from women, humanity 710 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,600 Speaker 1: from nature, you know, light from dark, um. You know, 711 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,279 Speaker 1: every cost possible thing. We think we've we've split these 712 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,440 Speaker 1: things up into little separate categories where they should not be. 713 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:50,080 Speaker 1: We've separated racist nations, UM, languages, religions, faith, everything. And 714 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,800 Speaker 1: I think that part of our task, the real assignment 715 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,799 Speaker 1: for this stage of of society, now that we are 716 00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,640 Speaker 1: just into the Aquarian age and also at the beginning 717 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,920 Speaker 1: of the next sixty year cultural renaissance cycle, which I 718 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,840 Speaker 1: like to say a little more about it is to 719 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,560 Speaker 1: bring it all back together. And paganism, that's what it's about. 720 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,440 Speaker 1: It is the old religion. It's the primal thing that 721 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:17,640 Speaker 1: means simply people of the country. It means country people um. 722 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:22,520 Speaker 1: In French, the word the Latin word pagan is translated 723 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:26,160 Speaker 1: as passan, which means peasant. Our word peasant comes from that. 724 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,080 Speaker 1: So it has to do with that connection with the earth, 725 00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,880 Speaker 1: that deeper connection which connects us with everything. Because we 726 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,759 Speaker 1: go down deep enough, everything is connected. Because we all 727 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,560 Speaker 1: rise from the same Earth, and we're all children of 728 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,239 Speaker 1: the same mother, Mother Earth. Everybody knows about Mother Earth, 729 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:45,960 Speaker 1: Mother Nature. She's the most universal archetype in existence. You know, 730 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,400 Speaker 1: there's not a culture or people anywhere who don't recognize. 731 00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,360 Speaker 1: But there are so many people, especially in power, that 732 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,560 Speaker 1: do not want to protect Mother Earth and just the 733 00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:03,200 Speaker 1: Earth and global warming, our climate change. It's kind of 734 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:07,920 Speaker 1: almost like a subject that's uh for opinion versus. In 735 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,040 Speaker 1: my mind, it would only make sense to all come 736 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,000 Speaker 1: together to protect the very place we're living on. And 737 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,640 Speaker 1: it's a very symbiotic relationship we have. And without the 738 00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,800 Speaker 1: Earth we are fucked. And somehow that's lost on a 739 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,160 Speaker 1: lot of people, and it's really confusing to me. The 740 00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,799 Speaker 1: thing is this sense of separation. Again. People think they 741 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,359 Speaker 1: can be separate and and we aren't. We are all um. 742 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,440 Speaker 1: We are cells in the greater body of the living 743 00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,360 Speaker 1: biosphere of Earth. Our DNA is shared with all of 744 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,720 Speaker 1: life on Earth. For the last half a billion years, 745 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,400 Speaker 1: since the Cambrian Explosion, the life on Earth has emerged 746 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:50,359 Speaker 1: as one single, vast entity, comprising countless species and ecosystems. 747 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,640 Speaker 1: But these are like the organs and cells in our 748 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,400 Speaker 1: own body. Just as we start off life as a 749 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,680 Speaker 1: single fertilized cell, and every cell in our body carries 750 00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,880 Speaker 1: that very same d in a and protoplasm, the very 751 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,920 Speaker 1: same thing is true for the entire planetary biosphere. All 752 00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,960 Speaker 1: life began with that single origin point half a billion 753 00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,960 Speaker 1: years ago when um, well, I think it was a 754 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,000 Speaker 1: moment of fertilization. I'm I'm of the opinion that life 755 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:19,560 Speaker 1: has come here from space. I am too, I am too. 756 00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,600 Speaker 1: Point isn't I wanted to ask you about that because 757 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:30,040 Speaker 1: I have a very strong intuition feeling that the extraterrestrial 758 00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,840 Speaker 1: life that we've connected with and it's all been very secretive, 759 00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,719 Speaker 1: is about too. That information is about to be given 760 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:43,239 Speaker 1: to us and openly, like it will become part of 761 00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,160 Speaker 1: a conversation and won't be looked at his quote unquote 762 00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,400 Speaker 1: crazy or like you're a whack of like. I just 763 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,600 Speaker 1: have this feeling that it's going to start becoming a 764 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,799 Speaker 1: part of our culture to talk about it more, much 765 00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,640 Speaker 1: like a race in the past year has just become 766 00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,080 Speaker 1: taboo to all of a sudden, that's on the table 767 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,399 Speaker 1: to talk about. I feel like extraterrestrial life is about too. 768 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,480 Speaker 1: I just have this feeling that very soon it's going 769 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,680 Speaker 1: to be it's going to go from being this weird, taboo, 770 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,400 Speaker 1: very cookie thing to talk about all of a sudden 771 00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,680 Speaker 1: be something that is on the table and we're all 772 00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:21,239 Speaker 1: going to address as the Earth together. Well, I think so, 773 00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:25,480 Speaker 1: and I think that we will find the great cosmic 774 00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:30,920 Speaker 1: secret when we start actually um looking at extraterrestrial life, 775 00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:35,320 Speaker 1: even even whatever we may find on Mars or on 776 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,719 Speaker 1: the other planets of our own solce of our own 777 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,960 Speaker 1: space exploration, purely apart from what may be hiding an 778 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,960 Speaker 1: area fifty one in any case, I think that the 779 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,200 Speaker 1: real secret is going to be that we all share 780 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,279 Speaker 1: the same DNA, and that is that we are part 781 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,840 Speaker 1: of a vaster thing. That the Earth is seated and 782 00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,600 Speaker 1: grown just like we seed, you know, plants, or that 783 00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:01,520 Speaker 1: we send out offspring, and that that the ultimately of 784 00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,879 Speaker 1: all life forms, every life form anywhere, the fundamental goal 785 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:11,640 Speaker 1: is to reproduce itself and developing spaceflight and extraterrestrial contacts 786 00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:16,680 Speaker 1: and terraforming of other worlds. That's how a planet reproduces itself. 787 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,439 Speaker 1: Convinced that that's how life came to the Earth. It's 788 00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:26,600 Speaker 1: making another world habitable by by terrans Earth people. You 789 00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,160 Speaker 1: know that they planting and seating and nurturing and gardening, 790 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,880 Speaker 1: you know, to shape a new environment that would be 791 00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:39,000 Speaker 1: hospitable to life. That's what terraforming is, and that will 792 00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,200 Speaker 1: be our goal. As we go out there to places 793 00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:45,080 Speaker 1: like Mars and other worlds, we will be trying to 794 00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:50,840 Speaker 1: make them habitable. So the end goal is to just 795 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:56,840 Speaker 1: keep going. But is there a point to life? Do 796 00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,680 Speaker 1: you think there's a ending of conscience business? Do you 797 00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:05,359 Speaker 1: think there is a evolution where then you just are 798 00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:10,239 Speaker 1: done being what you would call conscious or do you 799 00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:14,600 Speaker 1: think that is infinite? It's infinite. I think that in fact, 800 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:20,120 Speaker 1: consciousness is the fundamental foundation of the cosmos itself. When 801 00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,480 Speaker 1: we get down to the in the field of quantum physics, 802 00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,080 Speaker 1: which is a big conversation going on these days in 803 00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,640 Speaker 1: the magical community. Everybody you cut you talked to anywhere. 804 00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,319 Speaker 1: If you bring on any other you know, wizards onto 805 00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,080 Speaker 1: this show, well I'll talk to you about quantum physics. 806 00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,920 Speaker 1: You're the only wizard I know. You're my favorite wizard. 807 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:43,759 Speaker 1: Thank you. That's pretty easy. But it's turning out as 808 00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:48,160 Speaker 1: we're articulating the laws of quantum physics, as we're discovering 809 00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,719 Speaker 1: they are turning out to be exactly the same as 810 00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,080 Speaker 1: the laws of magic that have been preserved in grim 811 00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:57,279 Speaker 1: noires for thousands of years and passed on down so um. 812 00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,440 Speaker 1: The point of that is that if we go deeper 813 00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,200 Speaker 1: and deeper, we get down past the cellular level, down 814 00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,000 Speaker 1: to the molecular, down to the atomic, down to the 815 00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,840 Speaker 1: sub atomic level, down to the particle level, all the 816 00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,040 Speaker 1: way down to the bottom. There is no there there. 817 00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,320 Speaker 1: There is nothing solid, There is no things, you know, 818 00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:22,280 Speaker 1: even even subatomic particles are not objects. There there spins. 819 00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,200 Speaker 1: It's like you're looking at an ocean and you'll see 820 00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:27,719 Speaker 1: waves and eddies and little whirlpools, but you can't dip 821 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,360 Speaker 1: them out in a bucket and take them home with you, 822 00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:33,320 Speaker 1: you know, because they're not actually things. And this is 823 00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,279 Speaker 1: the way we get down to the very basis. And 824 00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,239 Speaker 1: what we get is what's called the quantum field that 825 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,719 Speaker 1: is at the foundation of everything, and it is not 826 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,319 Speaker 1: a thing. It's like an ocean of which everything else 827 00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:48,520 Speaker 1: are just waves and eddies and currents in it and vortices, 828 00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,680 Speaker 1: you know, and spin and all that stuff, but no things. 829 00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:57,160 Speaker 1: And that is consciousness. The what is emerging out the 830 00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:01,320 Speaker 1: fringes of the most forward thinking qualit physics is that 831 00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:06,279 Speaker 1: that the cosmos, the universe is consciousness itself at the 832 00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:10,000 Speaker 1: fundamental level, which means that everything that we experience as 833 00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:16,359 Speaker 1: a reality is a simulation. It's it's a They called 834 00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:20,000 Speaker 1: us the simulation hypothesis. We're living in the matrix. Essentially. 835 00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:25,799 Speaker 1: I have never seen the Matrix. I've also never seen 836 00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,080 Speaker 1: Harry Potter. I'm so screwed. But I was going to 837 00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,200 Speaker 1: watch it last night, but I was like, that's silly, 838 00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,440 Speaker 1: And now I fully am going to do my homework 839 00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,759 Speaker 1: and watch both of those things. But I had to 840 00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,600 Speaker 1: tell on myself that I haven't seen the Matrix or 841 00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,640 Speaker 1: Harry Potter. But I know what you mean in terms 842 00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:45,080 Speaker 1: of civilization because I heard you speak on another podcast 843 00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:50,279 Speaker 1: and you were talking about, um, this avatar idea, which 844 00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,759 Speaker 1: I would love for you to explain to the listeners 845 00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,480 Speaker 1: because I found it really interesting and I really connected 846 00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:59,360 Speaker 1: with it. The best metaphor for consciousness that we've always 847 00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,399 Speaker 1: used as water. So we we talked about the river 848 00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,959 Speaker 1: of life and the will of souls, and we talked 849 00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,719 Speaker 1: about that existence is like you know, rain drops as 850 00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,440 Speaker 1: individuals and eventually we flow down. But the thing about 851 00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,600 Speaker 1: water is it's a universal stuff and we can pour it, 852 00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,839 Speaker 1: you know, from one vessel into another, and it will 853 00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,279 Speaker 1: take the shape of the vessel, but it doesn't have 854 00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,839 Speaker 1: any shape or form of its own, and it's all 855 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,680 Speaker 1: the same stuff throughout the universe. In fact, it's the 856 00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:31,319 Speaker 1: most common and oldest um compound in the universe. It's 857 00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,840 Speaker 1: it's everywhere. We used to think that Earth was unique 858 00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,320 Speaker 1: because we got all this water, but now we're finding 859 00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,080 Speaker 1: it everywhere. Everywhere we look, there's water. It's the most 860 00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:43,080 Speaker 1: common substance in the Solar System and the galaxy and everywhere. 861 00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,600 Speaker 1: Most of it's frozen, which is why we weren't really 862 00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:49,440 Speaker 1: noticing that it's there. You know, there's you know, frozen 863 00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,640 Speaker 1: enough water frozen beneath the craters of the Moon to 864 00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:56,280 Speaker 1: fill the Great Lakes, oceans of Mars, frozen beneath the sands, 865 00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,279 Speaker 1: and the rings of Saturn are all icebergs, that kind 866 00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:03,480 Speaker 1: of stuff. So as it is with consciousness and we 867 00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,840 Speaker 1: as these physical vessels, were just like a vessel that 868 00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:11,040 Speaker 1: contains water in which the consciousness is poured into us. 869 00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,120 Speaker 1: We are avatars, just like we have in our gaming thing. 870 00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,920 Speaker 1: We we animate these avatars, we create them, then we 871 00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,719 Speaker 1: enter our consciousness into them and we act through them. Well, 872 00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,480 Speaker 1: right now, our gaming things are pretty crude. I mean, 873 00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,200 Speaker 1: we sit back, we have a distance, we have a 874 00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,600 Speaker 1: keyboard in front of us. But now we're getting to 875 00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,680 Speaker 1: where we can put on a virtual reality goggles and 876 00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,640 Speaker 1: actually enter into that world and look out through the 877 00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,560 Speaker 1: eyes of the avatar and be within the avatar. Will 878 00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,520 Speaker 1: that's just another level. Now, this is where we are 879 00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,960 Speaker 1: right now. I think how far we've come in the 880 00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,200 Speaker 1: last ten years with this, for the last twenty years. 881 00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:48,480 Speaker 1: Imagine where this kind of thing will be a hundred 882 00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:52,319 Speaker 1: years will our gaming worlds look like then we will 883 00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,080 Speaker 1: be completely immersed in them, like in the movie The Avatar, 884 00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:59,759 Speaker 1: the Sorry, the the Matrix, or any other places. Now 885 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:04,160 Speaker 1: imagine a thousand years from now. See, our present existence 886 00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,880 Speaker 1: is a tiny little sliver in time, just a tiny 887 00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:12,359 Speaker 1: little sliver. It was two years ago. It was the presence, right, 888 00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,320 Speaker 1: But we have to we stand on the back on 889 00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:19,879 Speaker 1: the top of a huge, huge pinnacle of evolution and time. 890 00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,840 Speaker 1: Dragons ruled the earth for a hundred and fifty million years, 891 00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,960 Speaker 1: and all of humanity has only been here for two 892 00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:30,239 Speaker 1: or three hundred thousand years. You know, we've only had 893 00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,200 Speaker 1: m agriculture for ten thousand years. Because this is what 894 00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:38,200 Speaker 1: we do as conscious beings. We can't stand boredom. We 895 00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,000 Speaker 1: have to play we have to do something. We create, 896 00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,719 Speaker 1: we invent. This is what gods do you know? And 897 00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,680 Speaker 1: and we are all God in that sense if if 898 00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:52,120 Speaker 1: we look at God as cosmic universal consciousness. But I 899 00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:55,959 Speaker 1: was talking about there with the quantum field, well, we're 900 00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,879 Speaker 1: all a part of that, not just a separate part. 901 00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,239 Speaker 1: We're all We're all one, and we're all interconnected with it. 902 00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,279 Speaker 1: We're connected with the spirit that flows through us that 903 00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,040 Speaker 1: we share with all other life in the universe. We're 904 00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,480 Speaker 1: connected with the water that flows through our body. We're 905 00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:14,960 Speaker 1: connected with it, with the protoplasm and ourselves and the 906 00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:18,480 Speaker 1: d n A. The connections are so deep and so profound. 907 00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,880 Speaker 1: There is no separation, and death is not a separation. 908 00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,920 Speaker 1: Death is like in a game when you come to 909 00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:26,360 Speaker 1: the end of the game and you may have a 910 00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,319 Speaker 1: spectacular death in the game, and then you you res 911 00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,719 Speaker 1: out and you step back and you're away from the 912 00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,080 Speaker 1: game and you look down you said, well, that was 913 00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,279 Speaker 1: that was interesting to I want to play another game 914 00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:38,719 Speaker 1: or maybe something different. What else have I got here 915 00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:42,680 Speaker 1: to play? Do you think there's the other? Do you 916 00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,520 Speaker 1: think when you're because I love the idea of water, 917 00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,560 Speaker 1: like I think I'm thinking of my body as the 918 00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:52,040 Speaker 1: outside part, and then you just pour my consciousness in 919 00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,840 Speaker 1: and that's me. So then when I when it's my 920 00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,360 Speaker 1: time to pass away, you it did another word for 921 00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:03,319 Speaker 1: passing on. I was reading, I forget what it is corporating, 922 00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:09,160 Speaker 1: discorporating corporation, which I've never heard of that word before. Um, 923 00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:15,680 Speaker 1: when you discorporate is just your consciousness being removed from 924 00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:20,560 Speaker 1: the shell, almost like a cicada when they shed that shell. 925 00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:26,920 Speaker 1: So where in your wizardry wizardry would you say that 926 00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:33,600 Speaker 1: that consciousness then goes the fact that every culture, every people, 927 00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,880 Speaker 1: and every religion has an idea of somewhere to go 928 00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,879 Speaker 1: after this one, that our consciousness does not end a death. 929 00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,799 Speaker 1: Everybody has an idea that it goes on, but they 930 00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,360 Speaker 1: have different ideas of where it goes. And some of 931 00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,320 Speaker 1: these I think are derived from our experience and dreams, 932 00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,600 Speaker 1: because we go into another world where we are conscious 933 00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,600 Speaker 1: and we experienced stuff all around us. And I think 934 00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,840 Speaker 1: all of the afterlives of different cultures, whatever they may be, 935 00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:03,160 Speaker 1: you know, have in hell, the blessed aisles, the you know, Valhalla, 936 00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,920 Speaker 1: wherever it may be. Everybody's got something out there is 937 00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,879 Speaker 1: that it's a it's also a creation in a sense. 938 00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,480 Speaker 1: It's a virtual reality, like a dream that we then 939 00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,880 Speaker 1: passed back into. And maybe there's another one behind that 940 00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,279 Speaker 1: and another one behind that. You know, we don't know 941 00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,600 Speaker 1: where we are, how many layers down are we It's 942 00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,080 Speaker 1: like one of those Russian nesting dolls, you know, they 943 00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,239 Speaker 1: keep having layer after layer after layer. But it's the 944 00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:31,960 Speaker 1: important thing is it doesn't end. Well. That sounds exhausting. 945 00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:35,920 Speaker 1: Though to me, dying and getting to go, even just 946 00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:38,680 Speaker 1: to have like a little time off sounds more relaxing 947 00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:42,680 Speaker 1: than just never getting time off sounds a little exhausting. 948 00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:45,719 Speaker 1: I think we can get time off. I mean some 949 00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,360 Speaker 1: of the concepts are basically about that. A place to 950 00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:53,920 Speaker 1: have a little time off, a resting place, a paradise 951 00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:58,480 Speaker 1: of vaccasion spot. And you know, many of us come 952 00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:02,239 Speaker 1: back for another round, you know, we reincarnate, you know. 953 00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,160 Speaker 1: But I don't think everybody does that, and I don't 954 00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:06,840 Speaker 1: think it's a requirement, but it certainly appears to be 955 00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,080 Speaker 1: an option because we have lots of good documentation of that, 956 00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:16,160 Speaker 1: and some cultures have it a one way trip, you know. Well, 957 00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:20,080 Speaker 1: the University of Virginia has done long studies on children 958 00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:24,800 Speaker 1: who vividly remember their previous lives, usually their deaths, usually 959 00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,439 Speaker 1: children who have nightmares. If you get them to talk 960 00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,040 Speaker 1: about it and draw pictures, what you will get is 961 00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,640 Speaker 1: an account of their death in their last life because 962 00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:35,880 Speaker 1: it was the last thing they remembered before they went out, 963 00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:39,880 Speaker 1: but it but it left him with such a PTSD 964 00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,680 Speaker 1: that they come back again carrying it still so um 965 00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:46,960 Speaker 1: And this has been documented where they've they've gone back 966 00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,080 Speaker 1: and done the research the history to find out who 967 00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:51,360 Speaker 1: is this other person? Because some of these kids have 968 00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:55,120 Speaker 1: come with such detailed descriptions, they've had names and places 969 00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:57,760 Speaker 1: and locations, and they've been able to track down the 970 00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:01,840 Speaker 1: previous person who had died. It's actually confirms the story. 971 00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,920 Speaker 1: University of Virginia look it up. I will, I will 972 00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:09,200 Speaker 1: look it up. It's so interesting because I've always not always, 973 00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:13,200 Speaker 1: but I have believed in reincarnation. And I love when 974 00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,120 Speaker 1: there's some sort of place I can go to that 975 00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:18,440 Speaker 1: seems like a reputable source and read about it. I 976 00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,440 Speaker 1: don't know why I need that confirmation, that external confirmation, 977 00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,560 Speaker 1: but it does make me feel more at ease. I 978 00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:28,520 Speaker 1: have done a past life aggression myself and for me, 979 00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:32,080 Speaker 1: I believed I was burned because I felt so so 980 00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:36,320 Speaker 1: so hot, and still in this incarnation, I'm always hot, always, 981 00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:40,320 Speaker 1: like to the point where other people it's intolerable for 982 00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:42,640 Speaker 1: some of the people in the room. Everyone in the room. 983 00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,880 Speaker 1: I like being freezing cold, and I love being I 984 00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,160 Speaker 1: also love being wet. I love being in the ocean. 985 00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:51,560 Speaker 1: I don't know what that is, but I truly feel 986 00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:53,760 Speaker 1: like I'm not sure if you have any insight into this, 987 00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:57,600 Speaker 1: but I feel like I should have been a mermaid, 988 00:58:57,720 --> 00:58:59,840 Speaker 1: or I should have been a fish or a whale, 989 00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:04,520 Speaker 1: or just I feel like, potentially I could have been 990 00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,080 Speaker 1: an animal. I don't know if animals can come back 991 00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:09,240 Speaker 1: as people or people can come back as animals, but 992 00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:13,560 Speaker 1: I dream about whales every night, just like hundreds and 993 00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:17,640 Speaker 1: hundreds of whales. You know. This gets into something that 994 00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:21,280 Speaker 1: I've I've speculated a lot about if we die and 995 00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:25,440 Speaker 1: our spirit sold then rejoins the the ocean, you know, 996 00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:29,640 Speaker 1: like like the water being poured back, you know, and 997 00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,320 Speaker 1: going on down the river to the ocean again, from 998 00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:35,280 Speaker 1: which another cup will be drawn at some future time 999 00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:39,080 Speaker 1: where we're not the only consciousness. Obviously, whales have a 1000 00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,920 Speaker 1: huge consciousness, much bigger than ours. And so sometimes when 1001 00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,440 Speaker 1: that new cup is dipped into the well of souls 1002 00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,440 Speaker 1: and come out, it may not be exactly what was 1003 00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:51,960 Speaker 1: in it before. You know, it may not be entirely human, 1004 00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,240 Speaker 1: and may be part of some animals as well. And 1005 00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,919 Speaker 1: in the case of a whale, of whale spirit dies, 1006 00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:59,840 Speaker 1: I don't think it even all fitted into one human body. 1007 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,840 Speaker 1: It would probably require, you know, divving end up a bit. 1008 01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:05,840 Speaker 1: But um, I think that that's the way it works, 1009 01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,360 Speaker 1: is that we're all just like the d n a 1010 01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:11,360 Speaker 1: that we have is shared with all of their life. 1011 01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,000 Speaker 1: I think so is the spirit, and the spirit as 1012 01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:16,760 Speaker 1: is literally the water, the water that we drink and 1013 01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:20,000 Speaker 1: absorbed through it's been it's been here before, it's passed 1014 01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,840 Speaker 1: through the bodies of every living being for about millions 1015 01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:25,840 Speaker 1: of years. It's been drunk and piste out by dinosaurs. 1016 01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:32,160 Speaker 1: You know. I really strongly believe that when new beings 1017 01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,960 Speaker 1: of the same kind are being produced, then there's lots 1018 01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,400 Speaker 1: of room for new spirits to come in. But what 1019 01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:41,760 Speaker 1: happens when huge numbers have been exterminated, like what we've 1020 01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,320 Speaker 1: done to the whales, where we once the oceans had 1021 01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,600 Speaker 1: billions of whales and then they were virtually exterminated for 1022 01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:50,880 Speaker 1: several centuries of whaling. Where did all those spirits go? 1023 01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,200 Speaker 1: You know, they had to go into new places in 1024 01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:57,280 Speaker 1: humanity would be the place. There's a legend among Native 1025 01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:01,160 Speaker 1: Americans called the story of the rain Old Warriors. And 1026 01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:05,360 Speaker 1: the legend is that the spirits of all the Indians 1027 01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:10,320 Speaker 1: who died during the European invasions eventually had to come 1028 01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:14,520 Speaker 1: back somewhere and they reincarnated in the new generations of 1029 01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:17,560 Speaker 1: the children of the invaders because they had to come 1030 01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:21,960 Speaker 1: back somewhere. And the story came out first around seventy 1031 01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:25,000 Speaker 1: or so when it was put out is the Hopie prophecy, 1032 01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:28,760 Speaker 1: and and it was said that the generation had appeared 1033 01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,400 Speaker 1: as that because part of the legend was that they 1034 01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,640 Speaker 1: would have a name similar to Hopies, because it was 1035 01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:37,840 Speaker 1: a Hopie story, because that means the peaceful ones, and 1036 01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,640 Speaker 1: they would be the children of peace. So they said that, well, 1037 01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:43,720 Speaker 1: the hippies fit the prophecy, and they would wear the 1038 01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:47,400 Speaker 1: feathers and beads and and and take up these ways 1039 01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:52,920 Speaker 1: and return to the to the traditional ancient ancient ways. 1040 01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:56,320 Speaker 1: You've got that kind of stuff going on. It's it's 1041 01:01:56,320 --> 01:02:00,480 Speaker 1: all goes around and around my hippie. Sure, come on, okay, 1042 01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:04,880 Speaker 1: just making sure. I just want to make sure you 1043 01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:08,760 Speaker 1: generously you put it in presence. It's not azz i, 1044 01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:11,680 Speaker 1: it's it's still a thing. Yeah you are. It seems 1045 01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:13,640 Speaker 1: like a thing that was in the seventies, but I 1046 01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,960 Speaker 1: guess it is still something you are. My mom is 1047 01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:19,920 Speaker 1: a hippie as well. I guess I'm kind of a hippie. Also. 1048 01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:24,600 Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for your time. And I know this 1049 01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:28,600 Speaker 1: has been a weird, a weird turn of events, but 1050 01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:30,640 Speaker 1: I just want to tell you I'm so appreciative of 1051 01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:34,080 Speaker 1: your time and I would love to continue this conversation 1052 01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:38,120 Speaker 1: sometimes because it's just been so interesting. Um. And before 1053 01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:40,480 Speaker 1: I let you go, would you just tell us, for 1054 01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:44,240 Speaker 1: anybody who's listening, if they would like to attend your school, 1055 01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:47,080 Speaker 1: how they would go about doing that. Absolutely, we would 1056 01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:49,080 Speaker 1: love to Harry. This school is made for you. If 1057 01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:51,120 Speaker 1: you're listening to the show and you're digging this stuff, 1058 01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:54,440 Speaker 1: the Gray School is what you're looking for. And it's Um. 1059 01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:57,760 Speaker 1: We got about three students all around the world and 1060 01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:00,800 Speaker 1: a couple of dozen teachers in over five hundred classes 1061 01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:05,040 Speaker 1: in sixteen departments at seven levels of apprenticeship and then 1062 01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:08,919 Speaker 1: moving on from there. It's a unique and amazing place, 1063 01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:11,880 Speaker 1: and you can find it by just going to grad 1064 01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:15,680 Speaker 1: school dot com g R E Y S h o 1065 01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:19,800 Speaker 1: o l dot com and check it out. You can 1066 01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:22,400 Speaker 1: look over a lot of stuff without actually having to enroll. 1067 01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:24,360 Speaker 1: But if you do enroll, I think that you will 1068 01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:28,680 Speaker 1: find it incredibly rewarding and I hope to see you there. 1069 01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:31,840 Speaker 1: I still stick around enough to teach a few classes, 1070 01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:35,480 Speaker 1: but I'm mostly off doing other things these days. But 1071 01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:40,560 Speaker 1: we have an amazing faculty and incredible students of all ages. 1072 01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:43,840 Speaker 1: We we have youth students, but most of our students 1073 01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:47,240 Speaker 1: are adults, so don't feel that it's a thing for kids. 1074 01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:51,640 Speaker 1: It's it's only that that we have openings in space 1075 01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:55,960 Speaker 1: for kids as well, but mostly it's adult stuff. And 1076 01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:59,800 Speaker 1: hope to see you there. Thank you so much. Thank 1077 01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:02,360 Speaker 1: you so much for being patient and talking with me 1078 01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:04,800 Speaker 1: extra long. I appreciate it. Keep on creeping on.