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Speaker 1: price we say they should make it at. So we're

429
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Speaker 1: just gonna take it because we're all about the people.

430
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: That was happening in this country, and it was happening

431
00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 1: and writers and journalists and TV punnits were saying, Oh,

432
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's they've got a different way of

433
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: doing things, but it's all about you know, it's all

434
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: about social justice, and you know it's it's good stuff

435
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: and it's gonna get more stuff for poor Don't you

436
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,479
Speaker 1: like poor people? Don't you what I help poor peoples,

437
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 1: whether they're trying to do you know what I'm making

438
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: all you gotta break a few eggs idiocy. I could

439
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: sit here just reading you editorial columns and headlines of

440
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: people who think they're smart, who are like, oh, yeah,

441
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 1: chave As Maduro, they've got a you know that. Well

442
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: with chav As, it was you know, let him do

443
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 1: his thing. He knows what he's doing, and and don't

444
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: interfere America. That was This is from Americans. This is

445
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: from people who you know, right for the right of

446
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 1: the New York Times and right at the the hoving

447
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: In Post and the Nation. And I was naming something before. Uh,

448
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: but then when Maduro came in, it was okay, well

449
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: things are a little rough now. But you know that

450
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: was chave As his fault. So I wouldn't understand that.

451
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: By the way, once the government becomes so involved and

452
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: is making all these decisions, any new version of a

453
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 1: similar government just blames the previous government. It never does

454
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: anything right. They should all be ringing some bells for us.

455
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: We're like, yeah, that sounds about right. It sounds like

456
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 1: what's going on here? But I just I just I

457
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: know it's you know, there are so many of these

458
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: um people that are out there right now. And a

459
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: lot of them are well intentioned. I like them, but

460
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: they're talking about the crisis in Venezuela and they they

461
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: will say socialism, but they don't understand why it's a Yeah,

462
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: socialism bad is important for people to know, but why

463
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 1: is it bad in Venezuela. It's largely a story of

464
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: price controls and then corruption around it, and then seizure

465
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,239
Speaker 1: of private property around and then redistribution of wealth, and

466
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: it's all it's concentric circles. But it starts with price controls.

467
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: That's where that was really the that was ground zero

468
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: of the economic crisis in this country or in Venezuela. Um,

469
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: and we should understand that it wouldn't happen here overnight.

470
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying it's going to happen here. But

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00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: the same fallacies that drive a government like the Maduro

472
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: or the Traves government to say this is what the

473
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Speaker 1: price of beans, or this is what the price of milk,

474
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: or this is what the price of bread should be

475
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: because poor people needed at that price, drives a lot

476
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: of the thinking of the Democratic Party in this country.

477
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: Look at Obamacare. What was the huge fight with the

478
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: recent Obamacare appealing in place it was about the mandates.

479
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: What are mandates? Mandates are just a means of the

480
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: government telling you what your insurance policy has to cover

481
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: so that it can give it to some people even

482
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: if you don't want it and we'll never use it.

483
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: It's just redistributing wealth. Now, it's not seizing factories and

484
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: saying that you know and making sure there's no milk

485
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: on the shelves. But similar principles apply. So I just

486
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: would urge you to um as you look at this,

487
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: try to avoid putting too much stock in the opinions

488
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: of people that quite obviously, despite being on TV or

489
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: on radio, have never read the Communist Manifesto, have never

490
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: read dust copy till have no, don't don't understand Marxism,

491
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: don't understand from a political science and analysis perspective, what

492
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: socialism is other than just socialism bad. Okay, socialism bad?

493
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: But why? And I appreciate that you joined me here

494
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: because we get into the y Jeffrey and Mississippi w BUV.

495
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: Good have you, sir, hey Buck, thanks for taking my call.

496
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: Thank you for the very accurate and astute assessment of

497
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:17,479
Speaker 1: the ideological failure that is Venezuela. And I'm interested in

498
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: your opinion and maybe draw a parallel back to North

499
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: Korea and possibly when could we hope the same happens

500
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: to North Korea? And the second part is what is

501
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: your opinion of Donald Trump or President Trump? Excuse me

502
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: of his UH reaction to North Korea saber rattling. In

503
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: my opinion, it's ignoring and they'll go away. They have

504
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: no navy. They they want He only wants attention. Why

505
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: why are we giving it? Joined okay um A lot,

506
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: a lot of very good questions here, and let me

507
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: try to give them all of the response that they

508
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,479
Speaker 1: are due. Let's let's start with the one before North Korea,

509
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: or sorry, the one before Trump's response to North Korea.

510
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: Why isn't North Korea yet in a state similar to Venezuela? Well,

511
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: in a sense, it's it's worse and has been worse

512
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: for a long time. Uh. There's mass starvation, there's mass incarceration. Uh,

513
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: there are concentration camps full of political uh, political enemies,

514
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: and the people are in especially as you leave peeong Yang,

515
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: the capital of the people, in a constant state of starvation.

516
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: And it's a it is a totalitarian police state with

517
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: no opposition so in a sense, Venezuela is a few

518
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: steps down the status pathway even from or sorry, North

519
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: Korea has a few steps down the status pathway from

520
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: even where Venezuela is right now, um, and you have

521
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: the absence of any opposition or civil society in North Korea.

522
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: So it's it's hard to it's hard to conjure any

523
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: any means of understanding North Korea without starting from it

524
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: is four made real. Uh. It is a true totalitarian

525
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: is um in a way that no other state in

526
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: the world currently is. Right, So it's it's number one

527
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: in state is um and authoritarianism. And then on to

528
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,239
Speaker 1: North Korea in terms of Trump's response to it, Uh,

529
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: the problem is that, yeah, that they can't beat us

530
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: in a conventional fight, but they don't want to beat

531
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: us in a conventional fight. They want to fire off

532
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: missiles either at US or at our allies, and they

533
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: figure that if they have nukes and they can nuke

534
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: South Korea, then they will eventually at some point they'll

535
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: be able to reunify the Korean peninsula. Is one Korea,

536
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: and to us it all sounds crazy, but crazy is

537
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: not in short supply over there. But Jeffrey Shields time

538
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: and thank you for calling in. I've got to run

539
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: to a break now. We will hit that break now, team,

540
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: and we will be right back. I'm not really clear

541
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: on why I'm being actually plain, I've hurting the ticket

542
00:32:54,920 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: that I had Emergency had to tea. I tried to

543
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: hold it the first time. The King said, oh, I

544
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: absolutely couldn't be a plane. I don't know what other

545
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: what other words could I use? But would happen. It's

546
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: just so I'm gonna get off this plane. The plane

547
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: is gonna leave, and I won't get back to my kidside.

548
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: I'm a little taste of totalitarian is um here at home,

549
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: my friends. No, it's not the t s A. That

550
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: was a uh an agent from Delta Airlines. Now Delta's

551
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: getting some of the heat. It's not just United. And

552
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: also I think didn't United. This week a giant bunny

553
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: died on a United like an enormous rabbit, I'm being

554
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: sure died on a United plane, I think. And there

555
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: are photos of this giant, cute rabbit. And it was

556
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: called like a monster rabbit or not a monster rabbit.

557
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: That song it's it's called it something. It's like a

558
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: like a garkanshow and rabbit and died. Anyway, Delta um

559
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: had a had a passenger. What you were hearing there

560
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: was the audio from it. Now, anytime an argument on

561
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: an air at an airplane, now, as you can imagine,

562
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: everyone's like video time. And also it changes the calculation,

563
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: I think, because you know you're gonna play this out right.

564
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: The guy from the United just got a check undisclosed amount.

565
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 1: I'm sure it was large. Um, so now you want

566
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: to sort of see are they gonna try to remove

567
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: me from my seat? You know? And if they just

568
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: if they take the plane back to the gate as

569
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: they did with this individual, I guess you know that's it.

570
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: You're you're gonna have to get off. This guy had

571
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: to use the restroom and he was on he was

572
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: on this plane on the tarmac and it was waiting

573
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: the tarmac for two hours, which tarmac waiting is a

574
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: form of psychological torture. We've all been there. Well, if

575
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: you fly, you've been there. You're sitting there, you think

576
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,760
Speaker 1: you're good to go, you're in your seat, the plane

577
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,439
Speaker 1: does that little slow it's kind of just moving along

578
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: just a little bit. You're like, come on, just get

579
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: in the air. Just get in the air, and then

580
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 1: you stop. And then you hear the engines kind of

581
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: go on and off a little bit or whatever the

582
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,720
Speaker 1: noise is that you hear. I don't know much about planes,

583
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, man, and I've sat there before.

584
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 1: I've been worried I was gonna miss an important work

585
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: event because I'm sitting on the tarmac for over an hour. Um,

586
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: that can happen to any of us, right, So this

587
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: guy is sitting there and he had he's been on

588
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: the tarmac for two hours. But you know, when they

589
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: get into that mode when you're about to take off,

590
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, every you know, everybody betting down

591
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: the hatchets, get ready for whatever is coming, and they

592
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 1: have to get you all, you know, put your tray

593
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: up and everything else, because, as you know, when you're flying,

594
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: you don't really have much in the way of rights.

595
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: You got to comply with whatever they tell you or

596
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: else they do what they did here where they'll just

597
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: take you the gate. This guy had to go to

598
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: the bathroom and he was winning for two hours, and

599
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: he asked and they said no, and he said he

600
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,720
Speaker 1: was gonna he was going to relieve himself on himself

601
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: because he had no choice. And so he finally got

602
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: up because he didn't want to do that. He's an

603
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: adult and doesn't want to, you know, soil himself. So

604
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: he got up and he went to the bathroom, and

605
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: Delta was like, all right, that's it, and they took

606
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 1: everybody back to the gate and made him get off

607
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 1: the flight, and he had to buy a new ticket

608
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: that thrice the cost of what he was refunded for

609
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 1: being kicked off of this flight. You know that they

610
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: have to find a better way. I mean I can

611
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: tell you. For example, I knew without having to be

612
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: told or with without being a science guy. We'll talk

613
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 1: more about that coming up. But I knew that the oh,

614
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: you can't have your kindle out during takeoff because it

615
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: might electronically interfere with the cockpit. Um No, I knew

616
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: that was nonsense because it's stupid. There's no way if

617
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 1: that was really the case. What about somebody who just

618
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: has their device on, whether it's a cell phone or

619
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: a kindle, you know, one of those e readers, and

620
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: doesn't turn it off. I guess the plane would be

621
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: in jeopardy, right, I mean, you could never fly and

622
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: feel safe if that were true. So that's it's idiotic.

623
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: There's no way that was a problem. And once or

624
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: twice I asked a flight attendant, without being surly about it,

625
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: I was like, come on, I mean this really, and

626
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: they got they changed the policy because it was so

627
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 1: stupid that they couldn't justify it anymore. Now, I don't

628
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 1: know what the rule change here would have to be.

629
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,720
Speaker 1: But given that the public is really focused on how

630
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 1: airlines become, these become these little tyrants, or whenever we're

631
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: flying with them and something starts to go wrong and

632
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: you feel like you have no recourse, you're treated really badly.

633
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: They've got to come up with a better rule than

634
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: you've got to just go to the bathroom in your

635
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: seat on yourself. That's not acceptable. And there does come

636
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: a point. I'm sure we've all been there where you

637
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: just can't hold it anymore. And this guy was there,

638
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,439
Speaker 1: You've been sitting there for two hours. Maybe he hadn't gone,

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00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, maybe I've gone many hours

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Speaker 1: before them, maybe drank a lot of coffee. Point here

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Speaker 1: being that to kick him off the flight and to

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Speaker 1: be all mean about it, it just feeds into more

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Speaker 1: of our anger and irritation at these airlines, which I'm hoping,

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Speaker 1: although I am not. I don't think it's promising, but

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Speaker 1: I'm hoping maybe brings about some changes that we are

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Speaker 1: all going to be treated like normally. I'm gonna be

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Speaker 1: on a plane tomorrow. So I'm particularly hoping right now

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Speaker 1: that they will come up with a better way is

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Speaker 1: to deal with this. But yeah, here's here's Delta telling

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Speaker 1: an adult, Sorry, you can't just get up real quick

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Speaker 1: and go to the bathroom. We're not even moving. They

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Speaker 1: weren't even moving. Plan wasn't going anywhere. I can't do that. Rules.

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Speaker 1: Rules are rules. Um, rules are rules. Is not a

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Speaker 1: justification for everything he spreads freedom because freedom is not

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Speaker 1: gonna spread itself. Buck Sext in his back team, We're

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Speaker 1: very fortunate and happy to be joined by Ben Shapiro.

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Speaker 1: He is editor in chief of Daily Wire dot com,

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Speaker 1: syndicated columnist, host of The Ben Shapiro Show. Also writes

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Speaker 1: at National Review dot com. Ben, thanks for making some times,

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Speaker 1: can you I didn't ask you about this beforehand, but

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Speaker 1: I figure you're up on this one. Breaking up the

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Speaker 1: Ninth Circuit, getting a lot of talk today. Have any

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Speaker 1: thoughts on this? You care much about this? Yeah? I

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Speaker 1: mean they absolutely should break up the ninth circuits. The

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Speaker 1: Ninth Circuit presides over territory that is larger than that

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Speaker 1: of any other circuit. The states that it presides over

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Speaker 1: have nothing in common. It presides over Arizona, and it

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Speaker 1: presides over California and Washington. It's it's a ridiculous circuit.

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Speaker 1: It's it's the most liberal circuiting country. There's no reason

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Speaker 1: why it shouldn't be two circuits. And Congress is has

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Speaker 1: it within its constitutional power to break it up with

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Speaker 1: a simple act? And what do you think of Oric's

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Speaker 1: opinion out of San Francisco on the executive on the

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Speaker 1: on one aspect of the executive order dealing with sanctuary

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Speaker 1: cities and federal funding. So I think that they're The

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Speaker 1: truth is that this is not as bad or ruling

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Speaker 1: as the as the executive order ruling on the on

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Speaker 1: the on the travel ban, the travel ban executive rule

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Speaker 1: order ruling is just insane and ridiculous. This one actually

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Speaker 1: has a certain constitutional basis because there there is a

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Speaker 1: long line of thought that says that the federal government

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Speaker 1: does not get to make the state government's basically it's

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Speaker 1: emissaries and enforcing federal law. And also the president doesn't

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Speaker 1: get to randomly decide when federal funding has already been

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Speaker 1: allocated to a particular community that he's just going to

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Speaker 1: revoke it because it doesn't like what's going on in

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Speaker 1: that particular community. So it's it's going to lead to

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Speaker 1: again a revised executive order that is more narrowly drawn.

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Speaker 1: I think it's probably the right approach. Um By again,

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Speaker 1: I just don't know who's writing these executive words, because

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Speaker 1: whoever is writing them this being a pretty shoddy Why

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Speaker 1: not anticipate what the granted some of these judges. This

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Speaker 1: guy Oric is clearly and Obama um and Obama ideologue,

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Speaker 1: and was appointed by him, worked for him, bundled money

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Speaker 1: for him, worked with worked for Carrie beforehand, so he's

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Speaker 1: he's a leftist guy. But why not anticipate how these

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Speaker 1: leftist judges will come at these orders to try to

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Speaker 1: make a little harder for them. Well, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: I mean they've gotta make it about you want to

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Speaker 1: be in favor of these orders. I want to be

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Speaker 1: in favor of these orders. I mean, I think it

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Speaker 1: would be very helpful if they would write orders that

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Speaker 1: I can defend. If I can't defend your order, you're

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Speaker 1: doing a really crappy job. And I think that's what

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Speaker 1: this comes down to. Yeah, I know, I'm I'm surprised

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Speaker 1: that given what happened with the first part of the

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Speaker 1: travel order. I figured that they would we would would

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Speaker 1: tighten up the ship a little bit, but so far

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Speaker 1: that doesn't seem to be what happened. Um, let's have

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Speaker 1: some fun talking about Bill Ny for a minute, shall we.

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Speaker 1: I've been happy to see that a lot of people

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Speaker 1: because I I took one for the team here and

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Speaker 1: watched about five six minutes of his Netflix show. It

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Speaker 1: is horrifying, not because I just don't find it entertaining,

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Speaker 1: but because people think that this is a scientist. This

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Speaker 1: is this is not by resume a scientist, It is

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Speaker 1: not by con he is not by content a scientist.

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Speaker 1: And in fact, what he says it's kind of scary. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: amaze you survived watching five minutes. That was all I

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Speaker 1: could do. Yeah, I mean, the show is called Bill

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Speaker 1: Night Saves the World's Boiler Alert. He doesn't um, but

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Speaker 1: the entire show is just him spouting left his talking

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Speaker 1: points in the guy's a science and that's not unusual.

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Speaker 1: They have nail to grass Tyson's doing this on the left,

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Speaker 1: and they've got Bill my doing this on the left.

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Speaker 1: And the idea is, if you don't agree with that

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Speaker 1: left his talking points, then you must be on high science.

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Speaker 1: And it's just absolute sheer nonsense. I mean, he has

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Speaker 1: segments on there where he's talking about how we should

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Speaker 1: basically punish people in the first world for having too

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Speaker 1: many babies. Number one, people in first world are having

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Speaker 1: far too few babies, and we don't have enough people

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Speaker 1: to actually pay for the next generation's budget. And the

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Speaker 1: population of Russia is gonna be sliced in half, and

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Speaker 1: Russia is not even quite first world Russian population. Russias

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Speaker 1: gonna be sliced in half in the next fifty years.

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Speaker 1: Population of Italy is gonna be sliced in half in

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Speaker 1: the next thirty population in the United States is barely

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Speaker 1: reproducing a replacement rates. If you want to make sure

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Speaker 1: that a lot of people die in the third world,

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Speaker 1: make sure that there are not enough people in the

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Speaker 1: first world to actually continue the free market economic system

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Speaker 1: that is sliced global poverty in half since So that's

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Speaker 1: just it asinine. But what they're really worried about, of course,

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Speaker 1: our carbon emissions, neglecting the fact that carbon emissions were

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Speaker 1: flat last year overall, and the fact that we are

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Speaker 1: getting better with carbon emissions even to care about this issue,

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Speaker 1: We're getting better about carbon emissions globally, given the fact

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Speaker 1: that we have advanced technologies like Tesla, we have advanced

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Speaker 1: technologies like natural gas cracking, which left opposes but which

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Speaker 1: is significantly cleaner than coal. They they ignore all of

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Speaker 1: the all of the alternative solutions presented by the market,

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Speaker 1: because what this is really about for them is they

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Speaker 1: want a global rule of the elite, redistributing wealth and

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Speaker 1: shutting down industries they don't like. And they're gonna call

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Speaker 1: you a science deny or if you don't, if you

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Speaker 1: don't acquiesce in their in their demand. So you know

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Speaker 1: that that was one segment that I saw. I thought another,

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously most egregious segment with that Rachel Bloom segment.

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Speaker 1: I mean that was just it was it was an

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Speaker 1: offensive god man. I mean, if you haven't seen this,

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Speaker 1: tell you I haven't actually seen that one. Tell everybody,

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Speaker 1: what is this? Oh? My god, it's it's it's it's.

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Speaker 1: Bill my says, this is a very important thingment that

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Speaker 1: he brings out Rachel Bloom, the gal from my crazy

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Speaker 1: ex girlfriend, and she proceeds to do a rap about

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Speaker 1: her genitals and sexual fluidity, and it is legit Like

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Speaker 1: it's one of those things where you're watching, you're like,

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Speaker 1: this has to be a parody, right, and then as

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Speaker 1: it goes on, you realize that it's not quite a parody.

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Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's so bad that it's starting to

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Speaker 1: verge on the funny, and then it just gets bad again.

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Speaker 1: It's it's awful in every conceivable way. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: you live in California. I live in New Are you

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Speaker 1: from California original? By the way, Yes, okay, yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: from New York. I' from New York City originally. And

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Speaker 1: and people that I know and like look at me

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Speaker 1: like I'm insane on the issue of climate change. And

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Speaker 1: these are otherwise very very bright people and and you know,

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Speaker 1: very well read and well educated. And when I say

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Speaker 1: things to them all and this has happened recently, That's

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Speaker 1: why I'm bringing it up. Um, why is it that

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Speaker 1: all of the primary spokespersons for climate change talk about

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Speaker 1: how the science is settled at how all scientists agree,

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Speaker 1: and they're not scientists, and they look at me like

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Speaker 1: this doesn't matter. I think this matters a lot. Actually,

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Speaker 1: I think if you're talking about a science movement, you

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Speaker 1: should have people who actually know science as the standard bearers. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean that that would make a little bit more sense.

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Speaker 1: But again, this is all about celebrity pop culture stuff.

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Speaker 1: And again there is you know, a significant amount of

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Speaker 1: disagreement in the scientific community. Not the global warming is happening.

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Speaker 1: People basically agree that it's happening, but what percentage of

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Speaker 1: it is attributable to human activity? Their estimates that go

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Speaker 1: anywhere from ten and how warm the climate is actually

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Speaker 1: gonna get over the next century. And then, most importantly,

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Speaker 1: even if the climate does do what the International Panel

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Speaker 1: on Climate Change suggest Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change suggests

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Speaker 1: it's going to do, and the sea levels rise by

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Speaker 1: about two ft over the course of the next century

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Speaker 1: and the temperature rises about seven to repair and had

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Speaker 1: on average across the globe over the next century, is

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Speaker 1: that a bad thing? Does that mean that everything is

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Speaker 1: going to Are we all going to die? It's going

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Speaker 1: to be the polar bears drowning off the off the

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Speaker 1: coast of Newfoundland and stuff. I mean, like, and this

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Speaker 1: is the this is the the big question that is

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Speaker 1: still out there. And the Left doesn't want to get

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Speaker 1: into the nitty gritty of these things because the truth

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Speaker 1: is that there are a lot of big questions here.

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Speaker 1: They just don't want to answer. They just want you

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Speaker 1: to throw up your hands and say, Okay, you experts,

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Speaker 1: take care of it. You tell me what kind of

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Speaker 1: light bulb I can use and what kind of car

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Speaker 1: I can drive. And that's all the experts really want

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Speaker 1: out of this, which is why Bill my who really

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Speaker 1: should know this r I mean, if you're an advocate

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Speaker 1: for particular position, you should actually know the position well

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Speaker 1: enough to defend it. Bill Mike goes on Tucker Carlson.

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Speaker 1: Tuck Carlson is not a scientist. He's losts of a

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Speaker 1: scientist than Bill my by by credentials I zum and

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Speaker 1: and he's smacked them down. I mean barely. You know, Bill,

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Speaker 1: I only has a Bachelors of Science in mechanic mechanical engineering,

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Speaker 1: and that that's right. But I have some mechanical engineering.

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Speaker 1: Is still a little bit more scientific than political science.

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Speaker 1: But in any case, he's but Tucker gave him the

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Speaker 1: run around because Bill Mike couldn't answer basic questions like, okay,

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Speaker 1: so how much is the climate gonna warm? Why is

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Speaker 1: there uncertainty? Is there any sort of there's obviously decent

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Speaker 1: in the science of the community about the level of

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Speaker 1: this stuff, like these are all questions that need to

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Speaker 1: be answered on a factual level and with margin of error.

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Speaker 1: I think that it's important for people to say, Okay,

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Speaker 1: here is the range of possibilities that it could be

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Speaker 1: in the likelihood that each possibility is true, and then

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Speaker 1: we can have a discussion about public policy. But I know,

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Speaker 1: I know, Bet, I know you. You go on college

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Speaker 1: campuses and face down both the you know, looning left

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Speaker 1: students and the professors, and the videos of it, by

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Speaker 1: the way, are very entertaining sometimes, so thank you for that.

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Speaker 1: But the kids look at you when you say this,

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Speaker 1: I am sure. I can't think of a specific instance,

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Speaker 1: like you're a bad person, and the same thing happens

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Speaker 1: to me. I've gone on CNN and just been like,

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Speaker 1: can we just admit that the I p c C Report,

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Speaker 1: which you mentioned before, inter inter Governmental Panel on Climate

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Speaker 1: Change talks about ranges because they just don't know, and

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Speaker 1: even saying that marks you as a bad person. People

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Speaker 1: look a look at you like you're an odious human being.

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Speaker 1: How do we get to that step? Like why do

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Speaker 1: students at Berkeley's on everyone's mind this week? But you

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Speaker 1: know any cal school when you go speak there, why

853
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: are they look at you? Or when I'm on CNN

854
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: talking about this, why look at me like you're a

855
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 1: bad human being? If you have any doubts about this

856
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: or even any questions, because for the same reason that

857
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:11,879
Speaker 1: they look at you like you're a bad human being.

858
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: When you have a gun control conversation in which you say,

859
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: I'm not sure the gun control is the most efficacious

860
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: way to to prevent gun crime. The the the the

861
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: idea is that the solution proceeds the actual question. For them,

862
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,280
Speaker 1: it would not matter what the problem was. The answer

863
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: is always the first world needs to stop its development.

864
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: And this is interest since the nineties when they were

865
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: saying that global cooling was happening, so the first world

866
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: had to stop its development. Bottom line is they're not

867
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Speaker 1: interested in your perspective on the science or even then

868
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: varying perspectives on the science, or even if you grant

869
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: them the science, right, I just gave you the I

870
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: p c C estimate and I said, okay, you can

871
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: even grant that, and it still doesn't answer the question

872
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: of what we ought to do about it in the

873
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: first world and whether the best possible solution might be

874
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 1: a market based solution. If you say to them anything

875
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: except for we need a massive regulatory regime that is

876
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 1: going to quash your ability to use carbon fuels, and

877
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 1: that is going to quash the ability of people a

878
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: rise in the third world from abject poverty. If you

879
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 1: say anything remotely resembling that, you're now denying. Even though

880
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 1: you're agreeing with that on the science, you're not denying anything.

881
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: You're just denying their solution. But if you deny your solution,

882
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: your denire. Yeah. There there's a hint of Stalinism with

883
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 1: the way they approached the subject, and that you you

884
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: have to it's not just a question of agreeing to

885
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: an extent. You have to agree enthusiastically, without without reservation

886
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 1: and at all times or else you're the enemy. You're

887
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: a counter revolutionary and you have to be destroyed. I

888
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: want to ask you, Ben, because we're we're coming up

889
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 1: here on a hundred days and you know, I've been saying, look,

890
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: a hundred days is artificial. We get it, but it

891
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: is something of a barometer. We could look at this

892
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: and say, how are things going. You were very willing

893
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 1: to be critical of Trump and the run up to

894
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 1: the election and have been calling balls and strikes since.

895
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 1: So you're not somebody who just says everything Trump does

896
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: is great? What do you think so far? So I

897
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: think that it's it's hard to tell, uh, you know,

898
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: with one grade where he is. And you also have

899
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 1: to determine what your yard stick is. So is the

900
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: yardstick what he should be doing or the art stick

901
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: Hillery Quinton. If the artstick is what Hiller Quinton would

902
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 1: have been doing, a plus, right, because a dead horse

903
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,959
Speaker 1: would be a plus compared to what Hiller Quinton would

904
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: have done an office. But if the artstick is what

905
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 1: he could be doing with the Republican House and Republican Senate,

906
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: I'm giving the stake. We've had no major legislati accomplishments

907
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 1: out of this administration. He's blown trump Care up, uh,

908
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: the the you know, on foreign policy, he's obviously see

909
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: change in terms of his general view of the military,

910
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: but I don't really see a coherent view of foreign

911
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: policy coming out of the administration yet, although that may change,

912
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: only because I think it's too soon. I just don't

913
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: think that we know what's going to come out of him,

914
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: and the first hundred days is not indicative of anything

915
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: except for a vision for what the administration is going

916
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: to be. And given that there is none coming out

917
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 1: of his administration, that's troubling. The first hundred days of Reagan,

918
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 1: there were no major pieces of legislation, but Reagan spent

919
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: the first hundred days talking about why a smaller government

920
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: was a better government, why a smaller government was better

921
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: for Americans. Trump has spent the first hundred days alternatively

922
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: tweeting silly things, uh, and then saying some nice things

923
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,399
Speaker 1: and some good things. So I don't have a good

924
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 1: read on him. I wish I did, but I don't

925
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: think anybody's gonna get a good read on him, cause

926
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: I don't think Trump has a good read on him.

927
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 1: I think he gets up in the morning and watch

928
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,760
Speaker 1: his box and friends, and I think the most powerful

929
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: Stephen the country is not Steve Vann and it's Steve Doocey.

930
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: Al right. Ben Shapiro, editor in chief of Deli wire

931
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: dot com, syndicated column as host of The Ben Shapiro Show,

932
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: and check out his latest at National Review dot com. Ben,

933
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 1: great to have you, Thank you, sir, Thanks so much.

934
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Speaker 1: Eight four four to five, team, We will hit a break.

935
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,919
Speaker 1: We will be right back. I wanted to uh talk

936
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: to you a bit about what's going on here with

937
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:40,760
Speaker 1: the just a quick update on the Russia investigation. Um

938
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:45,280
Speaker 1: and you've got, of course, competing narratives of what's happening

939
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: right now. You have Representative Steve King, because this is

940
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: also politicized, as we knew it would be. You've got

941
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: Steve King out there, and he's saying, well, I'll let

942
00:50:53,960 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: you hear from Steve King. What are you saying. I'm

943
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: not aware of any evidence so far of any collusion

944
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: between the Trump campaign and any any Russian agency and

945
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: Carter Page. My understanding is that Donald Trump has never

946
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: even spoken to him, and they've had a conversation with him.

947
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Speaker 1: I think he was at maybe one meeting of the

948
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: campaign and uh so, I again, you know, whatever he's saying,

949
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: he's saying on his own that is okay. So Carter Page,

950
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: I've said this to you before. And by the way,

951
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: I haven't been avoiding the subject on the show because

952
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: I don't like to talk about it because it upsets

953
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: people who support Trump. I know that's a calculation that

954
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: some people on other shows make, or especially on TV

955
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 1: these days. UM, but I just don't find that there's

956
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 1: that much that advances the story. A lot of stuff

957
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: we see day in and day out is a rehash.

958
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: Because the Democrat friendly outlets, the left wing sites, the

959
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,720
Speaker 1: left wing channels, I want to just keep the story alive.

960
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: So they just need to have like a daily Russia update,

961
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 1: and so they go, oh, new new evidence of no

962
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: evidence of Russia Trump collusion. It doesn't matter right breaking news,

963
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: no and yet found of Russia Trump collusion. But they

964
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: just need to keep it out there and up there

965
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 1: so people think about it and talk about it, and

966
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: it's a part of our conversation all around us. Um.

967
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: But as there's are, there are new developments, and I'll

968
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: talk to you about it. And next week I think, yeah,

969
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: next week there's gonna be some hearings on Capitol Hill

970
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: about this. I'm guessing we're not gonna learn much that's

971
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: new on from those, By the way I think it'll be,

972
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: it will be a few piles of charred nothing burgers

973
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: with cheese, uh, and that will be it. We won't

974
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: find out that much that's new, but there'll be tidbits.

975
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 1: There'll be little sound bites or moments that the Democrats

976
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:44,879
Speaker 1: can cherry pick from the greater whole and suggest that

977
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: that's suggest that it is suggestive of something else. Right,

978
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: that you can expect this take this to the bank,

979
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: my friends. Even if nothing new comes out of it,

980
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: they will create a narrative in which they are at

981
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 1: a minimum. I'm just asking questions to keep the saying, oh,

982
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: we just got we've got more questions. Okay, we didn't

983
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: get what we wanted that here, and but we've got

984
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: more questions. And they're gonna ask questions that are very leading,

985
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,800
Speaker 1: and they're gonna put them out there as the other fact. Right, Well, well,

986
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 1: why is it that Carter page. I hadn't heard a

987
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 1: Carter page. I was a political analyst at CNN during

988
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 1: the election, so you can imagine I heard a lot

989
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: of stuff about how terrible Trump was and everything else.

990
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: Right now, sitting in the green room, um. With a

991
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: few exceptions some of my friends that we've had on

992
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: this on the show in fact, but sitting in the

993
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 1: green room, you tend to get a lot of people

994
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:29,439
Speaker 1: that are just you know, they're on the phone talking

995
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 1: to your friend. Oh Trump is the worst. Trump is

996
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: so bad. I hear. I heard all the bad stuff

997
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 1: about Trump. Never heard about this Carter Page fellow, know

998
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: nothing about him, And people are Carter Page he's a

999
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: Russian stooge or he was working he's a Russian agents.

1000
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, well, what would that even mean if

1001
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: that were true. Let's say that. Let's say theoretically the

1002
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: FSB was like, we have a very important plan for you.

1003
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 1: You'll work with them, the Trump campaign, and we will

1004
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: make this very worth your um. Let's say they did that. Well,

1005
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: maybe carter Pages in trouble doesn't mean any about Trump administration,

1006
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: doesn't mean any about Donald Trump. You think Carter Page

1007
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: has the kind of in the Arab world they call

1008
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: it wasta, which is like clout. It's like, uh, you know,

1009
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 1: having um sway you can carter Page has the wasta

1010
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 1: to get the Trump administration one thing other. I haven't

1011
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: heard of this guy, but they talk about him like

1012
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 1: he's a major part of things and all you I

1013
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: played the King audio for you before from representing Peter King,

1014
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: who is a is a Fox News pundit moonlighting as

1015
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: a congressman from what I understand. Oh, slap um. But

1016
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:41,919
Speaker 1: then you've got Bloomenthal. I'm just kidding. Peter King's fine,

1017
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 1: don't send me angry emails as a joke. You've got Bloomenthal,

1018
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,399
Speaker 1: Senator Richard Bloomenthal of Connecticut, and he's taken the other

1019
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 1: side of this in the lead up to the testimony

1020
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: on Capitol Hill next week about Russia Trump collusion. Oh,

1021
00:54:55,360 --> 00:55:02,399
Speaker 1: my general plan for significant criminal laws that will not

1022
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: be investigating, in prosecuting unless there is a special prosecutor.

1023
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: We can't count on the Attorney General for his deputy

1024
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,439
Speaker 1: to report to the President United States and the White

1025
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 1: House to do that job. Don't appoint a special prosecutor.

1026
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: You notice Democrats never appoint a special prosecutor. Right, they

1027
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,800
Speaker 1: avoid this at all costs. They have some bad history

1028
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: with that. They don't they don't want that, but they

1029
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 1: always want Republicans to appoint a special prosecutor. Now, oh yeah,

1030
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: because they just want to get to the bottom of things. Look,

1031
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:42,320
Speaker 1: the Flynn situation is, it's still being determined. It doesn't

1032
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: look great even if it's not illegal. And I what

1033
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 1: I read in the Wall Street Journal today, where there's

1034
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 1: a lot of reporting on this, is that he did

1035
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 1: disclose some of the foreign payments I believe to d

1036
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: I A. But not to the not to the Army,

1037
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:58,800
Speaker 1: not to the pentagonest he was supposed to. That's what

1038
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal is saying. UM. But even if

1039
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: that is the case, I still don't think that, UM,

1040
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 1: the situation should be such that he was taking these payments, UM,

1041
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: taking these payments from places that he you know, I

1042
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,399
Speaker 1: wouldn't go on r T. I wouldn't do that. So

1043
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 1: that was that was a lapse in judgment and he

1044
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 1: should have disclosed it. So, whether it's criminal or not,

1045
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: it shows a lapse in judgment. But the Trump administration

1046
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 1: fired him, and I think they fired him not just

1047
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 1: because he lied, depends because they knew that this guy

1048
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 1: had made some poor decisions. And when especially people that

1049
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 1: have had a career in public service, no matter where

1050
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:40,879
Speaker 1: they are, and all of a sudden some real money

1051
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: starts coming in, people can make some faulty decisions. All right,

1052
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: doesn't make him a terrible guy, doesn't make him a criminal,

1053
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,919
Speaker 1: just means that showed poor judgment. Um. But they're making

1054
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: this into a much bigger deal already than it is.

1055
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 1: And they're saying he needs to be a special prosecutes

1056
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: special prosecutor for what the guy already got fired. He

1057
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 1: may have left something off on a form. Well is

1058
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: it criminal or was it a disciplinary matter? Because if

1059
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: a disciplinary matter for the military, why would there need

1060
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: to be a special prosecutor for that? Right? But again,

1061
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 1: they just want to turn this thing into the Russia inquisition.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back in a few The Freedom Hunt rocks

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Speaker 1: online too. You can hang out with Team Buck anytime.

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Speaker 1: Plus can Pluck's latest news and analysis stored up buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton dot com. That's buck Sexton dot com. The Buck

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Speaker 1: is back, John and Mississippi w BUV. What's going on?

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Speaker 1: John Bock? I agreed with what with everything you said,

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Speaker 1: they're about the Russia connection with Trump and the fact

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00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: that this guy Carter Page is somebody that's never not

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Speaker 1: even a part of the Trump campaign. Um. And but

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Speaker 1: I I stumbled upon this idea that the I wonder

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Speaker 1: how this all got started? How did the public become

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Speaker 1: aware that the FBI was investigating the possibility that some

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Speaker 1: of the people are associate it in with Trump may

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Speaker 1: have been targeted for recruitment by the Russians. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's a really vague investigation based on nothing, very little.

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Speaker 1: And how did the public find out about this? Well,

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Speaker 1: there have been a lot of leaks. There's been been

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Speaker 1: a lot of leaks. John, you know, there's there's a

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00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: lot of dirty, dirty politics, and and people are playing

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Speaker 1: dirty stuff here. Um, that's that's what we see happening.

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Speaker 1: So and with Carter Page, I mean, how how dumb

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00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: would you have to be to think you're gonna get

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Speaker 1: in bed with the Russian Intelligence Service to try to

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Speaker 1: sway the Trump administration. I mean, you're gonna betray your

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00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: country for for what and possibly spent a long time

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Speaker 1: in federal prison for what. Uh, it's it's it's not

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Speaker 1: like he's a communist sympathizer and he's doing this out

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Speaker 1: of some ideological sense of allegiance. And you know that

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Speaker 1: that's what he used to happen in the Cold War.

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Speaker 1: So why would Carter Page do? I mean, it just

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Speaker 1: it just doesn't add up, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: It just doesn't add up. John, I'm sorry. Carter Page

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00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: somehow deals in finance, and he does deals involving petroleum

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Speaker 1: and natural gas from Russia. Yeah, he's a businessman. I

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00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 1: got news for you. If you're gonna do business in Russia,

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00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: you're gonna come across some government people and probably some

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Speaker 1: people who work on the intelligence service in Russia. And

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Speaker 1: you may not you may not even know it, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean that that's just the way that it works

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Speaker 1: over there. You know, it's a it's a huge there's

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Speaker 1: a huge intelligence service, and they have a lot of

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Speaker 1: people running around and engage in all kinds of activities.

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Speaker 1: So John and Mississippi. Uh, great to have you, thank

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Speaker 1: you very much for calling in. Let's talk about some immigration,

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Speaker 1: my friends. We have our buddy Mark Coreyan online. He's

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Speaker 1: the executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies. Mark,

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Speaker 1: great to have you, glad to be here. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, sir. So, we've got a few of a

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Speaker 1: bunch of things to go over. Big week in the

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Speaker 1: in the realm of immigration Imgration Enforcement. You've got Secretary

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Speaker 1: Kelly of the Department of Homeland Security announcing the estee

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Speaker 1: publishment of the well, the v O V O I

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Speaker 1: C Office. Uh see, I assume. Um. We are opening

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Speaker 1: an important office today as part of the ICE family.

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Speaker 1: We call it the Voice Office, the Victims of Immigration

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01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 1: Crime Engagement ICE created the Voice Office in response to

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Speaker 1: our President's executive Order entitled Enhancing Public Safety and the

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Speaker 1: Interior of the United States. But the name fits. We

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Speaker 1: are giving people who are victimized by legal by illegal

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Speaker 1: aliens for the first time a voice of their own.

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Speaker 1: All crime is terrible, but these victims, as represented here,

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Speaker 1: are unique, and they're all too often ignored. Mark, what

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Speaker 1: do you think about this? I think it's a good

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Speaker 1: idea and it's long overdue. Uh. You know, the Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump was the first presidential candidate ever to sit down

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Speaker 1: with these families whose loved ones had died because illegal

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Speaker 1: aliens and just let them tell them their stories. No

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Speaker 1: other politician had ever bothered to do that. In shame

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Speaker 1: on them, and um, he really made this. I think

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Speaker 1: they really their stories really connected with him. And you

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Speaker 1: know the reason is not just that they're victims. You know,

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Speaker 1: their family members were victims of crime. That's a very

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Speaker 1: unfortunate thing, but it happens all the time. It's that

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Speaker 1: people who shouldn't have been in the country, some of

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Speaker 1: them people who shouldn't have been here, and sanctuary jurisdictions

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Speaker 1: let go instead of hand over to Ice. We're victimized

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Speaker 1: by people, and that's something that's inexcusable, and the government

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Speaker 1: actually bears some responsibility there in a way that it

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Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily for, you know, just an American who's here already,

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Speaker 1: who commits crimes. What did you think of the decision? Now,

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Speaker 1: we've talked to you on this show at some length

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Speaker 1: about sanctuary cities and the realities of the law and

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Speaker 1: what the federal government can and can't do. UM, what

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Speaker 1: what did you think about the the oric ruling from

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Speaker 1: San Francisco. Yeah, it doesn't really have that much effect.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's a political maneuver by a show voting

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Speaker 1: liberal judge. UM. Because the only funds federal funds that

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Speaker 1: the administration is moving to cut off now our Justice

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Speaker 1: depart certain Justice Department programs, three of them. And the

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01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 1: judge in his ruling said, well, of course they can

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Speaker 1: cut those off because the strings were attached to the

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Speaker 1: grant to begin with. The judge said, yeah, but if

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Speaker 1: he does anything else, then then he can't do that,

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Speaker 1: So I mean it's a meaning the case should have

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Speaker 1: been dismissed because those counties San Francisco and Santa Clara,

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Speaker 1: which is where Silicon Valley is, I haven't had any

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Speaker 1: money cut off. There's no basis for a lawsuit. This

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Speaker 1: whole thing was just political show voting by opponents of Trump,

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Speaker 1: and I think a lot of the people who, you know,

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Speaker 1: the anti Trump people who looked at this and said, yeah, great,

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Speaker 1: thank you, are going to be a little surprised when

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Speaker 1: the Justice Department cuts off these funds from these jurisdictions.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people are gonna say, hey, we thought

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Speaker 1: the judge stopped that. His ruling specifically says explicitly that

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Speaker 1: obviously those programs can be cut off. So there are

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Speaker 1: some places where there will be reductions in funding, but

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Speaker 1: those are pretty minor in terms of the size of

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Speaker 1: the dollar amount we're talking about here, right, Yes they are.

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Speaker 1: And there's a whole body of jurisdiction of jurisprudence on

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Speaker 1: the federal government not being able to use funding cut

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Speaker 1: offs in a way to coerce jurisdictions in where in

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Speaker 1: areas that don't relate to the funding for instance. Remember

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Speaker 1: back in this was Jimmy Carter administration. I think they

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Speaker 1: made the states all cut their speed limits to fifty

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Speaker 1: five because of the oil crisis. This may have been

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Speaker 1: for York time, but it was related to highway funding.

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Speaker 1: They said, look, if you're going to get the highway funding,

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Speaker 1: you have to do this. Well, highway funding speed limits.

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Speaker 1: It's the same thing. Whereas if they had said we're

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Speaker 1: gonna cut your education funding off unless you lower your

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Speaker 1: speed limit. That's something the courts generally won't allow. And

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Speaker 1: that's basically what the judge said the administration couldn't do,

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Speaker 1: except that the Justice Department lawyers at the hearing said, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but we're not even planning to do that. In other words,

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Speaker 1: what are you talking about, UM, tell me about that.

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Speaker 1: There was a a dust up I saw it last

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Speaker 1: night on social media about the the level of enforcement

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Speaker 1: that the administration claims. This is about a court case

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Speaker 1: that's been that's playing. Did you see this and they said,

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Speaker 1: you had John Roberts means me of the Supreme Court,

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Speaker 1: Justice Roberts asking the government lawyer. So you're telling me,

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Speaker 1: if somebody on their naturalization application is asked, have you

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Speaker 1: ever broken the law, and they, uh, you know, they

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Speaker 1: they got a speeding ticket some years ago, you know whatever,

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Speaker 1: they got a parking ticket five years ago and they

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Speaker 1: paid it. But they said no, on the form, they

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Speaker 1: could lose their naturalization status. But the government or the

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Speaker 1: government lawyer said yes, do you know what have you

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Speaker 1: seen this? No, I mean I saw a reference. I

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Speaker 1: did not look into the case. This is about what

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Speaker 1: they called de naturalization. Where because if you're a native

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Speaker 1: born citizen, it's very difficult to lose your citizenship. You

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01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 1: basically have to go in there and say I don't

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01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:32,919
Speaker 1: want my citizenship anymore. If you're a naturalized citizen, it's different. Um.

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Speaker 1: And if you're shown to have committed fraud while you

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Speaker 1: were naturalizing. Um. Now, I have no idea whether a

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Speaker 1: parking ticket counts as you know or not mentioning a

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01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 1: parking ticket counts as fraud or not. But frankly, we

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01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 1: we really do need to be a little more aggressive

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Speaker 1: and de naturalizing people because under the Obama administration they

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Speaker 1: wouldn't even de naturalize terrorists. UM. And you know that's

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's we need more of that, quite frankly,

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01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 1: rather than um, you know, basically let people who are

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Speaker 1: naturalized citizens, lied while on their paperwork and everything, lied

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Speaker 1: about it, and then just let them get away with it. Now,

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Speaker 1: the wall loomed large in discussion at least this week,

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Speaker 1: and it looks like there will not be a wall

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Speaker 1: in the short term. Here's Budget Director Mulvaney. Is President

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Speaker 1: Trump willing to sign a government spending bill that does

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Speaker 1: not include that money? Yeah, because I think the bill,

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Speaker 1: at least the the offer that we received from the

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Speaker 1: Democrats the last couple of days, included a good bit

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Speaker 1: of money for border security. The Democrats, so they go

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Speaker 1: to the mat and shut the government down over the

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Speaker 1: border wall that the bricks and mortar. But there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of things we agree on both parties doing securing

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Speaker 1: the border, and it allows the President to follow through

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Speaker 1: and as promised to make that border more secure. This

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Speaker 1: bill is just for the last five months of this year,

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Speaker 1: actually half almost more than halfway through fiscal years seventy.

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Speaker 1: We're only talking about through the end of September. The

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Speaker 1: discussion for what to do in fiscal year eighteen, which

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01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 1: starts October one, that discussion actually starts as soon as

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Speaker 1: this bill is signed. Kind of unsatisfying that we've got

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Speaker 1: the Trump administration, uh Mark coming out here saying, well,

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Speaker 1: don't worry, we'll get we'll get tough on this one.

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Speaker 1: In October. What was your on the policy side, before

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Speaker 1: we get into the walls effectiveness? How did you think

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Speaker 1: the administration handled this whole showdown over wall funding. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think they handled it badly. I mean, I'm not

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Speaker 1: the biggest fan of, you know, the wall talk. I mean,

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01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:37,240
Speaker 1: we need border improvements, there's no question about it. But

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Speaker 1: I think there are other things that are more important.

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01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 1: But frankly, having made it his marquee issue and a

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Speaker 1: month ago, having asked for an extra billion for the

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Speaker 1: next five months to do the prep work and get

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Speaker 1: started on stuff, backing away just because Chuck Schumer says

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01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 1: BOO is a bad sign, because do they really think

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Speaker 1: that the Democrats won't shut the government down in September

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Speaker 1: over the wall funding. Of course they will. Um, They're

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01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 1: gonna have to have this fight sometime, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm hoping maybe they they have something more involved,

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Speaker 1: a sort of more political full court press against the

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Speaker 1: Democrats plan for September. But I'm not encouraged quite honestly.

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Speaker 1: I think, Uh, you know, Chuck schumer Ate the administration's

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Speaker 1: lunch on this one. It's a small issue, but it's

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Speaker 1: a really important sign. I think the Democrats are gonna

1259
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:37,639
Speaker 1: smell blood in the water and it's gonna be harder

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Speaker 1: to get things done immigration or not in the future

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Speaker 1: because they caved on this marquee top shelf issue for

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Speaker 1: the president. It's not a negotiation, no wall. Look, Democrats,

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Speaker 1: Chuck hurt his name, Mark, Chuck hurt his name and

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Speaker 1: he comes in right away. Yeah, it makes makes me

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Speaker 1: sad on the inside of the So, well, what's the

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Speaker 1: truth about? How how much of a difference a wall

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Speaker 1: now and a wall is shorthand? Right? We've we've had

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Speaker 1: this tends to happen the Trump administration, just like you know,

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Speaker 1: eavesdropping and wire tap and the people normal people can

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Speaker 1: use these words somewhat interchangeably, just as a manner of speaking.

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Speaker 1: Wall for me, I think for a lot of people, fence, barrier, uh,

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Speaker 1: while all of these go together, and physical prevention mechanism

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Speaker 1: for illegal crossing of the border. How much of a

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Speaker 1: difference would it make if they got this thing up

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Speaker 1: and running or up and standing, better way to put

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Speaker 1: it depends where you put it obviously, and how much

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Speaker 1: of it it's going to be and all that, but

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Speaker 1: it all it matters a lot. I mean, we have

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Speaker 1: almost two thousand miles of border with Mexico, and of

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Speaker 1: that two thousand miles, about two forts has double fencing,

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Speaker 1: two layers of fencing with a road in between, the

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Speaker 1: kind of thing that um, the Congress thought it was

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Speaker 1: requiring taking eleven years ago when they passed what's called

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Speaker 1: the Secure Fence Act. So there's a lot of improvement

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Speaker 1: that still needs to be made on the border. But

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Speaker 1: we still actually don't know what the administration is thinking

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Speaker 1: as far as how much wall are they talking about.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's seven hundred miles of something some kind

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Speaker 1: of fencing on the Mexican border, about a third of it,

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Speaker 1: but half of that is kind of mickey mouse, what

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Speaker 1: they call vehicle barriers. They're like three ft high four

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Speaker 1: feet high. They're designed for trucks, keep trucks from driving over,

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Speaker 1: but your grandma can hopple. I mean, I got pictures

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Speaker 1: of myself clowning around on them. They're not anything that's

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Speaker 1: going to keep a person out. And then there's about

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Speaker 1: three hundred something miles a real fencing. You can even

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Speaker 1: call it a wall. I mean, look, if something is

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Speaker 1: a metal ballard filled with concrete and there's two or

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Speaker 1: three inches separating it from the next one, is that

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Speaker 1: a wall or a fence down there? Everybody calls it

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Speaker 1: a wall already. So, um, we definitely need more of that.

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Speaker 1: But it's gonna be harder to build, I think than

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Speaker 1: the President thinks because the place where we have the

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Speaker 1: least wall is on the Texas border, and that's a

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Speaker 1: river mostly, so the terrain is different. It's all serpentine

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Speaker 1: back and forth. It's not a straight line like in Arizona.

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Speaker 1: And it's all privately owned because Texas came into the

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Speaker 1: Union as an independent country. So there's no federal government

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Speaker 1: land practically in Texas, unlike Arizona, where the federal government

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Speaker 1: owns the whole state. So's they're gonna have to buy

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01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 1: every single acre an inch of land. It's gonna be

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Speaker 1: much more difficult I think than the President thought. What

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Speaker 1: happened with the Secure Fence Act, by the way, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: good question. Uh. It said that the Secure Fence Act

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Speaker 1: said the administration is supposed to build roughly seven miles

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Speaker 1: of double fencing um and they stay actually laid out

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01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 1: the kind of micromanage because they didn't trust Bush, you know,

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Speaker 1: ten miles west of this place to eat ten miles

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Speaker 1: east of that place. I mean, it's kind of spelled out,

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Speaker 1: pretty detailed. The reason that didn't happen is because shortly afterwards,

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Speaker 1: they stuck in a sentence in a thousand page appropriations

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Speaker 1: bill that nobody noticed that said, oh yeah, and the

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Speaker 1: Homeland Security secretary can kind of do whatever he wants,

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01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 1: doesn't have to do double fense if he doesn't want to.

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Speaker 1: So basically, the bill that got the press was looked tough,

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01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:24,639
Speaker 1: and then when everybody's attention moved on to something else,

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01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:27,280
Speaker 1: they stuck in a little loophole that negated the whole

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Speaker 1: thing practically, so they all they voted for offense. But

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Speaker 1: now offense or a wall is, at least for Democrats,

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Speaker 1: and I think some Republicans unthinkable and unthinkable atrocity. So

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Speaker 1: we'll have to it's immoral according to Nancy Pelosi, she

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Speaker 1: actually said that a wall on the border is immoral.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea where she's even coming from with that,

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01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 1: but it really they have become kind of kookie on

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Speaker 1: this issue. Pelosi definitely, definitely. Yeah, there you go. Marct

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Speaker 1: Corey and executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies,

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01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 1: which out Center Immigration Studies dot org and a month

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Speaker 1: say sorry, thank you, c I S dot org and Mark,

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01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:09,800
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us team hit a

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01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 1: quick break. Will be right back. Dr Phil getting in

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Speaker 1: on the free speech defense. I never watched the show,

1342
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 1: but I know about this guy play it. The test

1343
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Speaker 1: of the First Amendment is that you fight to protect

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01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 1: the rights of those that talk about the things you

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01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 1: hate the most. And that's not what happening here. I'm

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01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 1: really bothered by this. And he said, well, why are

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01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 1: they doing that. It's just another It's just another measure

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01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 1: of entitlement. They just feel entitled to shut down people

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01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:42,559
Speaker 1: that disagree with it. Dr felt much better grasp of

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01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 1: the First Amendments, it's implications and the need to defend

1351
01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:48,880
Speaker 1: it than senior members the Democratic Party, than Howard Dean,

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01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 1: than most campus professors, it seems these days, at least

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01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 1: a lot of them. Uh Dr Phil laying down some

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01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:58,640
Speaker 1: some truth on the on the First Amendment. There By

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01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:01,759
Speaker 1: the way, there was a New York Times article earlier

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01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:07,040
Speaker 1: today that was talking about the Berkeley culture speech cancelation situation,

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01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 1: and it made reference to how conservatives are putting themselves

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01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:15,479
Speaker 1: into these are are like willingly injecting themselves into these

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Speaker 1: tense situations. The implication being that you know, what is

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01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:21,680
Speaker 1: it with these conservatives going on campus and knowing they're

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Speaker 1: going to just rile up all these students. It's just

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01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 1: so unnecessary of them to be sharing ideas and thoughts

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01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:31,479
Speaker 1: and trying to educate these students. This is just a

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Speaker 1: place that I cannot have. I cannot see eye to eye.

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01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 1: I cannot understand the mentality that many of these progressive,

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Speaker 1: all Democrat voter college students have um that they don't

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01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 1: want to even be exposed the other sides ideas. I

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01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:49,320
Speaker 1: always felt like, maybe this is why I became an

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Speaker 1: intelligence officer, But I wanted to know what the what

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Speaker 1: the enemy was thinking. Not that people that are democrats

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Speaker 1: to the enemy, but you know what I mean. I

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01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:55,800
Speaker 1: want to know what the opposition. I want to your

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01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 1: opponent in a debate, in an exchange of ideas, and

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Speaker 1: on the battlefield of ideas, I want to know how

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01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 1: they're going to fight. And the only way you can

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01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:06,360
Speaker 1: know is if you're exposed to it. You know, you

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01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 1: can tell when you go on TV and someone's trying

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01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:11,720
Speaker 1: to debate a point and they come up against a

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01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:14,160
Speaker 1: line of argument that's very effective that they've never encountered

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01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:18,559
Speaker 1: before because they get and there's there's a lot of

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01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 1: cross talk. I don't know that. Yeah, just starts yelling

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01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:25,439
Speaker 1: and it's like, you know, it's like a couple of

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01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:27,360
Speaker 1: muppets screaming at each other on the screen. It just

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01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:31,439
Speaker 1: turns into Mayhem. Right, But it's much better to be

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01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 1: exposed to the arguments that you will face before you

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01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 1: have to face them. And I would think that progressives

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Speaker 1: were so serious about being activists and social justice warriors

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01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:42,960
Speaker 1: or whims, depending on what you want to call them,

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01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:45,080
Speaker 1: they would at least want to know the enemy, but

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01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:49,800
Speaker 1: they're too scared to even see or hear the enemy.

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Speaker 1: He spreads freedom because freedom is not gonna spread itself.

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Speaker 1: Buck sext in his back Welcome back everyone, We've got

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Speaker 1: our friends. Sean Davis on the line. He is co

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Speaker 1: founder of the Federalists. Check out his latest at the

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Speaker 1: Federalist dot com. Mr Sean Davis, good to have you, sir,

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Speaker 1: good to be here, Thank yous for having me. So

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Speaker 1: we talked a bit to a Matt Walsh last night

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Speaker 1: about ESPN, and I have to rely on you real

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01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:21,479
Speaker 1: Americans who have cable and watch ESPN to tell me

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01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:24,519
Speaker 1: what's really going on, because I only catch the clips

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01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:26,759
Speaker 1: that make their way into the realm of politics, because

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01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:30,280
Speaker 1: ESPN analysts seem to think that they're actually social justice

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01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:33,519
Speaker 1: warriors talking about politics sometimes. But you've got the real

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01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:37,639
Speaker 1: story behind this, and it's not entirely the left wing

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01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:41,880
Speaker 1: tilt what happened at ESPN. So there's a bunch of

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01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:45,679
Speaker 1: factors that have gotten the ESPN to where it is today.

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01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:50,080
Speaker 1: The biggest one is that it's financials just aren't working

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01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:52,160
Speaker 1: the way they used to. It's business models kind of

1409
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 1: in the process of being blown up. And the reason

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01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:59,879
Speaker 1: for that is they make their money by basically selling access.

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01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:03,639
Speaker 1: Who has cable viewers uh two big games and uh

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01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:06,479
Speaker 1: big leagues and big events. And they do that by

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01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 1: buying rights to you know, Major League Baseball, the n

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01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:12,439
Speaker 1: b A, NFL, college football, you name it. And those

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01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:15,559
Speaker 1: rights cost a lot of money. I think Clay Travis

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01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:19,639
Speaker 1: over an Outcake, estimated that ESPN will be paying eight

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01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 1: billion dollars a year just for the rights to these

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01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:27,759
Speaker 1: major sporting events and and ESPN's promised that that's really

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01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 1: a ton of money. That's way more money than that

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Speaker 1: ever cost, you know, ten years ago. And combined with that,

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01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 1: ESPN subscription revenue from cable subscribers is going way down.

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01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 1: Um they've lost I think twelve million cable subscribers in

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01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:44,680
Speaker 1: the last six years. And even on top of that,

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01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:47,680
Speaker 1: their ratings are down, their viewership is down. So you

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01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 1: have this mix where ESPN's costs are fixed and getting

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01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:54,680
Speaker 1: higher and higher, and their revenues are a risky and

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01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:57,439
Speaker 1: uncertain and their declining. And that's a rescipe for a

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01:17:57,479 --> 01:18:00,280
Speaker 1: huge match. Yeah, unless you're running a massive welcome nected

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01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:03,720
Speaker 1: solar energy company under the Obama administration or something. That's

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01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:07,000
Speaker 1: a recipe for failure right there. Right, more cost and

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01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:09,800
Speaker 1: less revenue. And this is not not a good thing. Um.

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you though, about the way that

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Speaker 1: they bundle channels, because everyone listening, I think should know this,

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01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:18,160
Speaker 1: and it doesn't often get talked about that you know,

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01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:21,280
Speaker 1: you want ESPN, but what they do is make the

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01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:24,559
Speaker 1: cable providers pick up a whole bunch of other stuff,

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Speaker 1: right Like, I don't even know what these channels. Arcs

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01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 1: don't have cable, but you know, channels about making floral

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01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 1: bouquets and buying jewelry and I don't know, kids shows.

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01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:38,639
Speaker 1: Maybe Disney makes people or makes the cable providers not

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01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:41,800
Speaker 1: just take ESPN, but a whole bunch of stuff, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So it's interesting. So when you get cable, you pay

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01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:47,520
Speaker 1: one fee to your cable company for for the programming.

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01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 1: Then you pay like, you know, fifty other various fees

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01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:53,200
Speaker 1: and taxes and whatever, but you're paying will say, fifty

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01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 1: bucks a month for your cable channel. Well, what the

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01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:58,719
Speaker 1: cable company is doing is paying small amounts of money

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01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:01,800
Speaker 1: to each of those networks from the owners of those networks.

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Speaker 1: So I think for ESPN right now, they charge about

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01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:08,479
Speaker 1: seven bucks a month uh from cable providers, which is

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01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:12,360
Speaker 1: really high. It's really high. It's like orders, it's several

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01:19:12,439 --> 01:19:15,040
Speaker 1: multiple highers than like the next highest. It's far and

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01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:18,760
Speaker 1: aware the most expensive channel that has But that's not all. Uh.

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01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:22,680
Speaker 1: Disney ABC, which owns ESPN, also forces cable companies to

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01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:26,879
Speaker 1: carry a whole slew of other affiliated and own networks.

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01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:29,200
Speaker 1: So if you want ESPN, you don't get to just

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Speaker 1: have ESPN. You're gonna get Lifetime, Lifetime Movie Network, the

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Speaker 1: History Channel, Disney Disney XD, Disney Jr. Vice. So what

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01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:41,840
Speaker 1: you end up with is you're paying a ton of money,

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Speaker 1: way more than just what the cost of the SCN

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Speaker 1: is to have the SCN. And so I find it

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Speaker 1: fascinating when ESPN execs come out and say, no, no, no no,

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Speaker 1: we're just the victims of cord cutting. This has nothing

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01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:54,479
Speaker 1: to do with our programming. We're just victims of change

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01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:59,599
Speaker 1: and cord cutting. It's so distingenuous because ESPN goes on

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Speaker 1: goes into the front end of these cable companies and says,

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Speaker 1: you know what, we know people are getting cable just

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Speaker 1: for ESPN, and if you want to have them do that,

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01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:09,080
Speaker 1: if you want to get your cable package with the ESPN,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna use this other stuff. So ESPN the answer

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Speaker 1: that needs to be honest. You know what, they're using

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01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 1: the value of ESPN on cable to extort these companies

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01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:20,559
Speaker 1: and paying fees for all these other networks. But then

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Speaker 1: on the back end they're going to pretend that cable

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01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:25,320
Speaker 1: cutting has nothing to do with the SPN and nothing

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Speaker 1: to do with the cost of carrying all these other

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Speaker 1: bloated networks, the Disney demands being included. Uh, it's totally disingenuous.

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01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 1: And the social justice tilt of ESPN now the left

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01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:40,320
Speaker 1: wing I mentioned yesterday. I've heard it called MSNBC with Sports,

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01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:42,719
Speaker 1: which I find funny. Um and I'm told it's pretty

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01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:44,639
Speaker 1: accurate from people who watch it a lot. And that's

1482
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:46,840
Speaker 1: been a change from what it used to be. There

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01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:49,040
Speaker 1: was something about a poem. I just saw this today

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01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 1: on some social media. I didn't get a chance to

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Speaker 1: check out much on it. What what happened with this

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01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:56,799
Speaker 1: poem or or what was that all about? Oh goodness.

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01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:59,599
Speaker 1: So if you think ESPN is bad, you don't know

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01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 1: what you're talking about until you see espn W. So

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01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:07,240
Speaker 1: that's there, their women's network. And the day before these

1490
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:12,640
Speaker 1: mass layoffs, espn W published on its site five poems

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01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:16,320
Speaker 1: about seminism, because that's like, that's sports. People who enjoy

1492
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:19,800
Speaker 1: sports ball love poems about feminism. And one of these

1493
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:23,720
Speaker 1: poems was the homage to a cop killer fugitive who

1494
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:26,519
Speaker 1: murdered the cop and seventy seven was convicted and seventy

1495
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 1: nine escaped from prison and then fled to Cuba. So

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01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:34,559
Speaker 1: that's the kind of content that ESPN apparently thinks if

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01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:37,879
Speaker 1: viewers want now, like if this convicted cop killer fugitive

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01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 1: set some sort of record paddling time escaping from prison

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01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:43,640
Speaker 1: and getting to Cuba. So maybe I'm interested in that

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01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:46,240
Speaker 1: as a sports story. But that's not how they pitched it.

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01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 1: They pitched some garbage poem praising her after she killed

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01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:53,760
Speaker 1: a cop and then fled. Sean Um, I want to

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01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 1: ask if you have any sense that you want to

1504
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:59,559
Speaker 1: share with us about Trump's and I'm switching gears here

1505
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:03,479
Speaker 1: for a second, Trump's first hundred days. Uh, it technically happens,

1506
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:06,800
Speaker 1: I think Saturday, right, But everyone's doing this now, even

1507
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:10,520
Speaker 1: though we all recognize that it's an artificial, artificial parameter

1508
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:14,160
Speaker 1: for the analysis of an administration. But you got to

1509
01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 1: give a grade somewhere, right, So how would you say

1510
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:18,800
Speaker 1: this is going so far and what does it make

1511
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 1: you think going forward? Well that it's a great question,

1512
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:24,800
Speaker 1: and I think the answer depends so much on where

1513
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 1: you're coming from. If your base in DC, you're in

1514
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:29,479
Speaker 1: New York and you don't like Trump and you love

1515
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:32,320
Speaker 1: and spend all your time talking about process in this net,

1516
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:34,080
Speaker 1: you'll look at this and say well, it's been a

1517
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:36,800
Speaker 1: total failure. He's been he's messed up an executive order,

1518
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:39,240
Speaker 1: and it's been a it's a total mess. But if

1519
01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:42,160
Speaker 1: you voted for Trump because you wanted someone who's going

1520
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:44,439
Speaker 1: to go in there and mess stuff up and change

1521
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:48,080
Speaker 1: how business was done and get a conservative Supreme Court

1522
01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:51,200
Speaker 1: justice nominated and approved, I think you have to look

1523
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:52,519
Speaker 1: at what he does and say, you know, it's been

1524
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:55,599
Speaker 1: pretty successful. He's got Rush on its heels. Russia has

1525
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 1: no idea how to deal with him. He's scared the

1526
01:22:57,960 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 1: craft out of Kim Jong un by going after Syrian

1527
01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:03,879
Speaker 1: and forcing a red line that Obama was too cowardly

1528
01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:06,760
Speaker 1: to enforce. Uh. You look at that and you see

1529
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:10,720
Speaker 1: guys like James Maddis, You see h. R. McMaster as

1530
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 1: the National Security Advisor, Rick Perry and Scott Pruett. I mean,

1531
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:17,680
Speaker 1: the guy's cabinet is stacked. He's getting results. He got

1532
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:21,519
Speaker 1: a Supreme Court nominique confirmed. Uh. If you were even

1533
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:25,760
Speaker 1: casually interested in Trump versus vehemently against him, you gotta

1534
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 1: look at this and say, you know what this pretty good?

1535
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 1: So far? Has it been perfect? No, that you screwed

1536
01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 1: up stuff, yes, but so far I'd say it's looking

1537
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:34,479
Speaker 1: pretty good. What are you compared to what Hillary would

1538
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:36,320
Speaker 1: have done? Yeah? And what That's what I've been saying

1539
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:38,560
Speaker 1: every day where I wake up and I'm a little frustrated.

1540
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:41,080
Speaker 1: I think they backed off on the wall a little

1541
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:44,400
Speaker 1: too easily. But I understand that, Yeah, they think they'll

1542
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:47,639
Speaker 1: have more leverage going into the budget negotiations in the fall.

1543
01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 1: I get that, Um, and it's you know, it's not over,

1544
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:51,800
Speaker 1: and it's we haven't had a long a long time.

1545
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:54,639
Speaker 1: But it is true. We have not had Hillary Clinton.

1546
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:58,000
Speaker 1: We do not have Ruth Bader Ginsburg part two now

1547
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:00,600
Speaker 1: on the Supreme Court. Um. So there's a lot to

1548
01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:02,240
Speaker 1: be there's a lot to be thankful for it. It's

1549
01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:05,639
Speaker 1: like it's like Trump Thanksgiving. But going forward to issues

1550
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:08,599
Speaker 1: loomed very large in my mind and everyone's minds. I'm

1551
01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:10,599
Speaker 1: sure that's paying attention to what's going on in the country,

1552
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:15,120
Speaker 1: healthcare and tax reform. Are you optimistic? Where where would

1553
01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 1: you put yourself on the on the on the scale?

1554
01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 1: I have followed politics too long to ever get my

1555
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:25,200
Speaker 1: hopes up. When I see people talking about tax reform,

1556
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:27,559
Speaker 1: I'm just super skeptical they're going to pull that thing off.

1557
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:30,360
Speaker 1: Who knows, I could be wrong on Obamacare. I think

1558
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:33,280
Speaker 1: that's probably been the biggest failure, in the biggest disappointment

1559
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:35,479
Speaker 1: so far. But I'm not sure I even blame it

1560
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:39,280
Speaker 1: on Trump. The whole bungling of this thing, the botch

1561
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:43,960
Speaker 1: rollout of the replacement bill, I put that squarely at

1562
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:47,600
Speaker 1: the feet of Republican congressional leadership. They've had years to

1563
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:50,400
Speaker 1: figure this out, and they whipped this thing together. They

1564
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:52,320
Speaker 1: did it without the input of their members. They tried

1565
01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:55,599
Speaker 1: to rush this fake timeline, and the whole thing crumbled.

1566
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:58,920
Speaker 1: So I would hope that Trump and his administration can

1567
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:01,920
Speaker 1: impress upon Ry and McConnell the need to get this

1568
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:04,599
Speaker 1: thing done pretty quick and done right so they can

1569
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:06,960
Speaker 1: move on to other stuff. But I totally agree that

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01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:10,080
Speaker 1: the handling of Obamacare repeals so far has been uh

1571
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:13,240
Speaker 1: far less than optimal, to the point of being pretty disappointing.

1572
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:16,240
Speaker 1: Sean Davis is co founder of the Federalist. Check out

1573
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:18,880
Speaker 1: his latest on the Federalist dot com. Sean, thanks for

1574
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:21,080
Speaker 1: making the time for us great to have you. Thank

1575
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:25,400
Speaker 1: you for having me team eight four four, eight to five.

1576
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:27,200
Speaker 1: We are going to hit a break and we'll be

1577
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:32,599
Speaker 1: right back. I got an update for you on the

1578
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 1: whole and culture speech situation. Uh. She she's not speaking,

1579
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:43,280
Speaker 1: you know that already. Um, but they decided to show

1580
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:45,919
Speaker 1: up at the place she was gonna speak in Berkeley,

1581
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:50,240
Speaker 1: and there was there, there were protesters converging there. Anyway,

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01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:52,639
Speaker 1: Are they still there right now as we like? Yeah,

1583
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:56,640
Speaker 1: right now. So it's a few hours earlier on the

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01:25:56,640 --> 01:26:02,160
Speaker 1: West coast and it's here, uh, there squaring off on

1585
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:04,559
Speaker 1: the Berkeley campus despite the fact that as there, I

1586
01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:09,800
Speaker 1: guess they figure that they have national attention, and so

1587
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:14,120
Speaker 1: why not act like a bunch of maniac cry babies

1588
01:26:14,160 --> 01:26:18,640
Speaker 1: on campus and uh and get into some stuff anyway,

1589
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:20,519
Speaker 1: And police have made a couple of rests here. I'm

1590
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:22,680
Speaker 1: just looking at the looking at the updates. Police have

1591
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:26,200
Speaker 1: made a few arrests. Somebody was carrying a knife on campus,

1592
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:32,200
Speaker 1: had some of them wearing helmets with shields and padding. Uh.

1593
01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:37,160
Speaker 1: Oh gosh. This is uh, this is not not good

1594
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:39,839
Speaker 1: for This is not not a good look for college campuses.

1595
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:42,080
Speaker 1: This is not the way it's supposed to be, everybody, Um,

1596
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:44,360
Speaker 1: but this is how it is. I also saw that

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01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:50,280
Speaker 1: the UM eighties second avenue of the Roses Parade was canceled.

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01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:54,960
Speaker 1: This is in port Portland's Yeah yeah, uh Sarah, I

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01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:57,240
Speaker 1: was a producer here, she she knows about this. Um.

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Speaker 1: This is that they canceled this parade because they were threats.

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01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:04,200
Speaker 1: Once again, there are threats of violence. Okay, so um

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01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:07,160
Speaker 1: quote No, this is from Portland Mercury dot Com, which

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01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:08,840
Speaker 1: I assume is like the paper up there. I don't know.

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01:27:08,840 --> 01:27:12,160
Speaker 1: I was in Portland once. It's a it's a funky place,

1605
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:16,720
Speaker 1: good food, It's pretty in parts. But I can imagine

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01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:19,639
Speaker 1: that I think Bernie Sanders is too conservative for Portland.

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01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:22,799
Speaker 1: I think that. I think that's a fair statement based

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01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:26,200
Speaker 1: on my my limited exposure to to Portland. And uh,

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01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:30,360
Speaker 1: I have seen two episodes The Rose Festival is apparently

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01:27:30,360 --> 01:27:33,519
Speaker 1: a big deal. Okay, um, I've seen two episodes of

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01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:39,759
Speaker 1: the show Portlandia, one in which the main guy, Fred Armison, um,

1612
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:41,920
Speaker 1: wants to know where the chicken he's going to eat

1613
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:44,760
Speaker 1: was raised, what its name was, you know, didn't have

1614
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:47,160
Speaker 1: a didn't have a nice stable home growing up. This

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01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 1: is the chicken he's gonna eat. And then also the bicyclist,

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01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:55,240
Speaker 1: I guess a cyclist, right, A cyclist who's screaming at

1617
01:27:55,240 --> 01:27:59,559
Speaker 1: everybody at is very militant about the bicycle lane. That's

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01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 1: the thing here in New York City too. I don't

1619
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:02,600
Speaker 1: know where you are across the country, but some of

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01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:05,600
Speaker 1: the people, some of the people that right around the

1621
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:10,960
Speaker 1: bicycles need to chill. And then he's not almost knocked

1622
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:13,240
Speaker 1: down old ladies and small children all the time. I know,

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01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:15,240
Speaker 1: I know the bike lane is your your space, guys,

1624
01:28:15,320 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 1: but something you just need to tell that down a

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01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:20,840
Speaker 1: little bit. It gets a little aggressive in the bike lane. Okay,

1626
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:24,400
Speaker 1: but back to the main stay here. The updates of

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01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:28,599
Speaker 1: of Berkeley looks like there will be Um, I don't

1628
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:31,000
Speaker 1: know that there'll be some nonsense going on over there.

1629
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:34,479
Speaker 1: It's not really clear at this point in time. Um.

1630
01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:37,080
Speaker 1: If it's not not really clear how bad it will get.

1631
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:41,599
Speaker 1: But they know that the entire country is watching, and

1632
01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:44,519
Speaker 1: so they figure that they'll get into some stuff. Now.

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01:28:45,560 --> 01:28:52,400
Speaker 1: I remember being on campus and there was a a

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01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:55,479
Speaker 1: bush Is Is essentially bush Is a Nazi rally on

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01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:59,920
Speaker 1: campus led by a Mark a very nice He was

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01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:03,160
Speaker 1: one of the professors who was brought in to assess

1637
01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:08,280
Speaker 1: my thesis defense. Um, but he's very nice, gentleman. Oh Marxist,

1638
01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:11,360
Speaker 1: though an open Marxist, and he was leading a it

1639
01:29:11,439 --> 01:29:14,200
Speaker 1: was about the fascism of the Bush administration. That this

1640
01:29:14,280 --> 01:29:16,080
Speaker 1: is not that. This is important to keep in mind,

1641
01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:20,320
Speaker 1: this is not new. The notion that the Republicans are

1642
01:29:20,479 --> 01:29:24,800
Speaker 1: fascists and Nazis is not in any way, shape or

1643
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:27,960
Speaker 1: form new. Um it's a repeat. It's a retreat of

1644
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:29,519
Speaker 1: what we saw before. I remember beyond campus, and this

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01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:31,960
Speaker 1: is post nine eleven. By the way, that was a

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01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:34,880
Speaker 1: moment that I I that was the moment I should say,

1647
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:38,640
Speaker 1: when the notion that I had been living with for

1648
01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:44,280
Speaker 1: a long time that left and right, Democrat, Republican, conservative, progressive,

1649
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:48,400
Speaker 1: that they we just had different ideas about what the

1650
01:29:48,439 --> 01:29:50,400
Speaker 1: best policy outcome was, but we all want what was

1651
01:29:50,479 --> 01:29:53,080
Speaker 1: best for the country. After nine eleven, I realized it

1652
01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:58,040
Speaker 1: wasn't true. After nine eleven, I saw from fellow students

1653
01:29:58,040 --> 01:30:00,840
Speaker 1: and particularly from some of the professors, that they had

1654
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:06,720
Speaker 1: a deep seated hatred for American foreign policy. They thought

1655
01:30:06,760 --> 01:30:12,400
Speaker 1: America was a a rotten and racist country. Because if

1656
01:30:12,439 --> 01:30:15,600
Speaker 1: it's past and still to this day, and there was

1657
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:18,320
Speaker 1: a lot of sentiment that America, I know it is,

1658
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:20,400
Speaker 1: it's a horrifying thing to say, and it was certainly

1659
01:30:20,479 --> 01:30:22,240
Speaker 1: terrible to be around. A lot of them took the

1660
01:30:22,280 --> 01:30:25,880
Speaker 1: approach that this is what this is what you get America.

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01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:29,679
Speaker 1: That there were professors who that was definitely the attitude member.

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01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:33,559
Speaker 1: One professor at the only all school gathering we had

1663
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:36,120
Speaker 1: after only all school gathering went to my entire time

1664
01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:38,720
Speaker 1: in college, was after the day of nine eleven, I

1665
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:41,679
Speaker 1: should say, Um, we gathered us all together and said,

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01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:44,120
Speaker 1: this is what happens when you make people angry. That

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01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:46,879
Speaker 1: was the day. Oh and we had just members members

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01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:51,240
Speaker 1: of the college community had lost family members killed in

1669
01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:53,519
Speaker 1: the towers, and yet we were being told this is

1670
01:30:53,520 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 1: what happens when you make people angry. It was. It

1671
01:30:56,560 --> 01:30:59,320
Speaker 1: was when we saw that we were no longer all

1672
01:30:59,439 --> 01:31:02,240
Speaker 1: on the same team in ways that really mattered. Um,

1673
01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:05,320
Speaker 1: there were some who we're rooting for the destruction of

1674
01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:09,240
Speaker 1: the country, and that continued on in different ways. Um.

1675
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:11,200
Speaker 1: And to be on a campus, this is when I

1676
01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:14,439
Speaker 1: went from having a conservative outlook on a lot of

1677
01:31:14,439 --> 01:31:18,800
Speaker 1: things to wanting to be in this fight of conservatism

1678
01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:24,640
Speaker 1: or patriotism, trying to defend the country, not just against terrorists,

1679
01:31:24,640 --> 01:31:26,360
Speaker 1: which I then went and did to the best of

1680
01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:30,360
Speaker 1: my ability at the CIA, but also to try to

1681
01:31:30,360 --> 01:31:34,200
Speaker 1: win this argument about while it's many different arguments, but

1682
01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:35,920
Speaker 1: it all comes down to whether you think this country

1683
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:40,360
Speaker 1: is something special and worth preserving and and worthy of

1684
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:44,439
Speaker 1: of elevation instead of denigration. So yeah, I remember on

1685
01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:48,679
Speaker 1: campus seeing some of these really radical gatherings and protests.

1686
01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:53,320
Speaker 1: I remembered the uh. He was a visiting professor from

1687
01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:55,439
Speaker 1: Harvard and forget it, I'm forgetting his name right now,

1688
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:59,479
Speaker 1: but he led a foreign policy forum af from nine eleven.

1689
01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:03,479
Speaker 1: And our students stood up and said, and I still

1690
01:32:03,560 --> 01:32:08,200
Speaker 1: to this day have a hard time just imagining and

1691
01:32:08,280 --> 01:32:10,679
Speaker 1: what world these people are living in there. They're at

1692
01:32:10,720 --> 01:32:15,719
Speaker 1: a small private college, costs about fifty thousand and change

1693
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:19,760
Speaker 1: a year ago too, and has an acceptance rate of

1694
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:25,000
Speaker 1: less than one and five. And they are, uh, they're

1695
01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:28,240
Speaker 1: setting up there and the professors taking questions from the audience.

1696
01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:30,920
Speaker 1: And I had been sitting there, and I was known

1697
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:32,680
Speaker 1: at this point on campus to be a little bit

1698
01:32:32,680 --> 01:32:37,000
Speaker 1: of a conservative rabble rouser um, and and I took

1699
01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:39,040
Speaker 1: a well, I'll tell you about the class American right later.

1700
01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:42,360
Speaker 1: But somebody said, you know, we shouldn't overreact. This is

1701
01:32:42,360 --> 01:32:44,320
Speaker 1: in response to nine eleven. This is maybe a month

1702
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:48,759
Speaker 1: or two afterwards. We shouldn't overreact because you know, America

1703
01:32:48,840 --> 01:32:52,519
Speaker 1: has three million people, so we could really suffer and

1704
01:32:52,760 --> 01:32:55,640
Speaker 1: a nine eleven style attack every day, and and it

1705
01:32:55,680 --> 01:32:57,920
Speaker 1: would It's not like it would destroy this country because

1706
01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:01,200
Speaker 1: we have so many people. And I was thinking, and

1707
01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:03,559
Speaker 1: this is a tough statement to make and really be sure,

1708
01:33:03,640 --> 01:33:05,160
Speaker 1: but even at the time, and this is back when

1709
01:33:05,160 --> 01:33:06,960
Speaker 1: I was in college, is a while ago, It's like,

1710
01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:09,400
Speaker 1: that might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I mean,

1711
01:33:09,439 --> 01:33:11,839
Speaker 1: it's definitely in the running for the for the dumbest

1712
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:14,719
Speaker 1: thing I've ever heard. Imember, this professor is visiting professor

1713
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:20,800
Speaker 1: from Harvard saying effective effectively more or less. Um, I

1714
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:22,680
Speaker 1: I can see where you're going with that, and I

1715
01:33:22,680 --> 01:33:25,800
Speaker 1: think that's I think that's a very valid point. And

1716
01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:30,240
Speaker 1: I was like, what what do you mean that's a

1717
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:32,479
Speaker 1: valid point? That's that is. I'm sitting here there, I'm

1718
01:33:32,479 --> 01:33:35,800
Speaker 1: a student, I'm an undergrad, and I'm thinking, this is

1719
01:33:35,840 --> 01:33:37,559
Speaker 1: the dumbest thing I've ever heard. And I've got a

1720
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:43,200
Speaker 1: professor who's not just dumb but also really really you know,

1721
01:33:43,360 --> 01:33:48,960
Speaker 1: soulless and inflammatory and and nasty and just wrong on

1722
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:52,320
Speaker 1: on every level, on every level, And I would think

1723
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:55,200
Speaker 1: that a professor would want to take this opportunity to

1724
01:33:55,960 --> 01:34:01,599
Speaker 1: get a student to not be so so just insanely utterly,

1725
01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:05,880
Speaker 1: completely wrong, stupid and immoral in in their judgments and

1726
01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:10,320
Speaker 1: in their approach to foreign policy matters. But this was

1727
01:34:11,200 --> 01:34:14,599
Speaker 1: it was happening then, and I just I revert back

1728
01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:20,040
Speaker 1: to my head because the seeds of Antifa and shutting

1729
01:34:20,040 --> 01:34:25,960
Speaker 1: down speech and professors writing these these quizzling, pathetic handwringing

1730
01:34:26,160 --> 01:34:29,360
Speaker 1: on the one side. On the other side, oh what

1731
01:34:29,479 --> 01:34:32,479
Speaker 1: about what about you know, oppressed groups and how do

1732
01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:35,360
Speaker 1: we defend their feelings? And all of that stuff that

1733
01:34:35,400 --> 01:34:38,920
Speaker 1: we're seeing now, whether it's at this and the end

1734
01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:41,120
Speaker 1: result of it at Berkeley and with the shutdown of

1735
01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:46,240
Speaker 1: this march in Portland because of threats of violence by

1736
01:34:46,280 --> 01:34:50,519
Speaker 1: Antifa protesters there. Um, all of this has been in

1737
01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:52,759
Speaker 1: the works for a long time. It's been it's been happening,

1738
01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:54,680
Speaker 1: And there's a part of me that would like to

1739
01:34:54,720 --> 01:35:00,880
Speaker 1: think that we're we've now reached that juncture where it's

1740
01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:07,360
Speaker 1: just too much. We're saying people, rational, reasonable, well intentioned

1741
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:11,200
Speaker 1: Americans will have such a revulsion against this, that it

1742
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:13,880
Speaker 1: will cause a shake up on campuses, and that this

1743
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:19,000
Speaker 1: will change. I'd like to think that will happen here um,

1744
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:22,840
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't bet on it. And this is, if

1745
01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:27,839
Speaker 1: we don't push back very hard against this whole anti speech,

1746
01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:32,719
Speaker 1: liberal fascist mentality, it will spread even further and higher

1747
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:35,680
Speaker 1: in our country than it already has. I'll be right

1748
01:35:35,680 --> 01:35:43,120
Speaker 1: back Buck sextend with America. Now the Freedom Hut is

1749
01:35:43,240 --> 01:35:46,879
Speaker 1: fired up as team Buck, as symbols shouldered as shoulder

1750
01:35:47,200 --> 01:35:52,280
Speaker 1: shields high call in eight four four Buck, that's eight

1751
01:35:52,280 --> 01:35:58,800
Speaker 1: four four to eight to five. Welcome back team. I

1752
01:35:58,840 --> 01:36:02,759
Speaker 1: find it fascinated ing that we are told these days

1753
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:05,960
Speaker 1: that a wall doesn't work. Now. I know that for

1754
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:10,519
Speaker 1: this round, uh, the administration has backed off of the

1755
01:36:10,600 --> 01:36:14,200
Speaker 1: demand for budgeting for a wall at least the beginning

1756
01:36:14,200 --> 01:36:17,479
Speaker 1: of a wall on our southern border, wall, barrier, fence,

1757
01:36:17,800 --> 01:36:22,040
Speaker 1: all of the above. But I do think that philosophically

1758
01:36:23,160 --> 01:36:27,800
Speaker 1: we are getting into the realm of unreality when people

1759
01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:29,920
Speaker 1: say things like a wall won't work, well, it all

1760
01:36:30,280 --> 01:36:35,200
Speaker 1: depends on what your definition of work. Maybe if one

1761
01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:37,160
Speaker 1: is trying to say that a wall is perfect, well,

1762
01:36:37,160 --> 01:36:39,760
Speaker 1: of course, then it doesn't succeed in the mission, then

1763
01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:43,000
Speaker 1: a wall is not sufficient to the task of securing

1764
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:46,519
Speaker 1: our border in and of itself. But that's never been

1765
01:36:46,640 --> 01:36:51,120
Speaker 1: what great walls, barriers, fences, any and all of the

1766
01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:56,599
Speaker 1: above have entailed. There have been forces that are arrayed

1767
01:36:56,680 --> 01:37:00,120
Speaker 1: at the wall, that there are guard towers. There is

1768
01:37:00,200 --> 01:37:02,680
Speaker 1: much more than just a wall, of course, and so

1769
01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:06,680
Speaker 1: a wall is one of many aspects of security. But

1770
01:37:06,720 --> 01:37:09,040
Speaker 1: I thought it would be interesting to just take a

1771
01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:12,679
Speaker 1: few moments to think about a history of walls and

1772
01:37:12,760 --> 01:37:17,479
Speaker 1: how this is one of the oldest forms of defensive structure.

1773
01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:20,840
Speaker 1: It really is the oldest form of defensive structure in

1774
01:37:20,840 --> 01:37:25,920
Speaker 1: in human history. Building a wall as a defensive fortification,

1775
01:37:26,479 --> 01:37:29,080
Speaker 1: or as a means of protecting a city, or yes

1776
01:37:29,160 --> 01:37:34,360
Speaker 1: of keeping out invaders, keeping out the enemy, or just

1777
01:37:34,479 --> 01:37:38,640
Speaker 1: keeping people out from uh the neighboring country. All of

1778
01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:43,000
Speaker 1: all of these are things that have been well walls

1779
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:45,840
Speaker 1: have been used for these purposes. Um And to believe

1780
01:37:45,880 --> 01:37:49,639
Speaker 1: that walls don't matter is to believe that the physical

1781
01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:52,599
Speaker 1: world makes no difference. I mean, there are those who

1782
01:37:52,800 --> 01:37:56,800
Speaker 1: wrongly think that today geography makes no difference in the

1783
01:37:56,840 --> 01:38:00,560
Speaker 1: modern world. They come up with much more complicated reasons

1784
01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:04,120
Speaker 1: for the trouble of central governance, and say, Afghanistan, Uh,

1785
01:38:04,240 --> 01:38:07,240
Speaker 1: it's not about it's terrain. It's not that the Hindu

1786
01:38:07,320 --> 01:38:09,799
Speaker 1: Kush Mountains come down through the center of the country

1787
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:14,679
Speaker 1: like a giant dinosaur spine. No, it's it's that there's

1788
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:17,599
Speaker 1: a lack of civil society and a and a whole

1789
01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:22,880
Speaker 1: bunch of social science reasons why the country is ungovernable

1790
01:38:23,280 --> 01:38:26,800
Speaker 1: and and continues to be from the perspective of at

1791
01:38:26,840 --> 01:38:30,559
Speaker 1: least the West, almost impossible to have a functioning central government.

1792
01:38:31,320 --> 01:38:33,800
Speaker 1: They don't want to believe that it's about what I

1793
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:36,120
Speaker 1: mean they, you know, the so called smart set, the

1794
01:38:36,160 --> 01:38:40,840
Speaker 1: intelligency in this country. They don't want to believe that geography,

1795
01:38:41,400 --> 01:38:44,720
Speaker 1: terrain can make that much of a difference. And when

1796
01:38:44,760 --> 01:38:48,800
Speaker 1: I point out that whether it's in Scotland or Southeast

1797
01:38:48,840 --> 01:38:52,760
Speaker 1: Asia with among or other places around the world where

1798
01:38:52,760 --> 01:38:56,559
Speaker 1: there are highlanders, there are those who resist centralized government

1799
01:38:56,680 --> 01:38:59,960
Speaker 1: and who can do so with some degree of success.

1800
01:39:00,439 --> 01:39:04,080
Speaker 1: And it's because of the terrain the central government has

1801
01:39:04,160 --> 01:39:08,560
Speaker 1: trouble controlling high ground. Geography is a feature of the

1802
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:12,559
Speaker 1: physical world. It is our terrain, and it makes a

1803
01:39:12,600 --> 01:39:16,880
Speaker 1: difference and walls are really among the earliest ways that

1804
01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:20,720
Speaker 1: human beings shaped terrain to their advantage. Right, it is

1805
01:39:20,760 --> 01:39:23,640
Speaker 1: a man made terrain. That is what a wall is.

1806
01:39:23,720 --> 01:39:26,719
Speaker 1: And so to think that a wall somehow doesn't matter

1807
01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:29,799
Speaker 1: or doesn't have an effect is just silly. Walls also

1808
01:39:29,880 --> 01:39:33,960
Speaker 1: have a psychological effect. It's not just about the security impact.

1809
01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:37,040
Speaker 1: And there are of course different kinds of walls. There

1810
01:39:37,080 --> 01:39:40,960
Speaker 1: are border walls, there are defensive walls, ramparts. Uh. And

1811
01:39:41,320 --> 01:39:45,400
Speaker 1: when you look at it in antiquity, the history of

1812
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:51,360
Speaker 1: wall building is largely tied to the history of civilization itself. Um.

1813
01:39:51,640 --> 01:39:54,599
Speaker 1: You could even say that a history of walls would

1814
01:39:54,640 --> 01:39:59,320
Speaker 1: be a history of the progression of civilization because the

1815
01:39:59,360 --> 01:40:01,760
Speaker 1: wall that's around, whether it was made of wood and

1816
01:40:01,800 --> 01:40:04,160
Speaker 1: it was a simple fence, or all the way to

1817
01:40:04,960 --> 01:40:10,880
Speaker 1: the tremendous walled cities of Constantinople. Uh and before that Troy,

1818
01:40:11,080 --> 01:40:15,880
Speaker 1: and name Jericho, name a name a great city of antiquity,

1819
01:40:16,439 --> 01:40:18,759
Speaker 1: it had a wall. Now, I know those are defensive

1820
01:40:18,760 --> 01:40:22,000
Speaker 1: fortifications and not a border wall. Um. But before I

1821
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:24,640
Speaker 1: get so, before I get too deep into the discussion

1822
01:40:24,720 --> 01:40:30,400
Speaker 1: about um, about defensive fortifications and the walls that play

1823
01:40:30,439 --> 01:40:32,240
Speaker 1: a role in that or the wall that are necessary

1824
01:40:32,280 --> 01:40:36,599
Speaker 1: for that. We could talk about the more famous border

1825
01:40:36,600 --> 01:40:39,400
Speaker 1: walls I will exclude for our purposes, for example, the

1826
01:40:39,640 --> 01:40:43,639
Speaker 1: Western Wall in Jerusalem, the remains of the of the Temple,

1827
01:40:43,720 --> 01:40:46,479
Speaker 1: because that's not that's a wall of a building, right,

1828
01:40:46,479 --> 01:40:50,719
Speaker 1: that's not a wall that's built as a defensive fortification. UM.

1829
01:40:50,760 --> 01:40:53,360
Speaker 1: But if we look at the most famous border walls

1830
01:40:53,600 --> 01:40:56,160
Speaker 1: in history, you can go all the way back to

1831
01:40:56,360 --> 01:41:00,080
Speaker 1: ancient Samaria. UM. And whenever I think of Samaria, and

1832
01:41:00,240 --> 01:41:02,040
Speaker 1: I think of that part of Ghostbusters where it's like

1833
01:41:02,080 --> 01:41:06,400
Speaker 1: Sumerian Babylonian god Mumbo Jumbo, they're talking about the ancient

1834
01:41:06,439 --> 01:41:09,600
Speaker 1: gods that somehow turned into ghost or something and Ghostbusters.

1835
01:41:09,640 --> 01:41:15,360
Speaker 1: But I digress. Uh, two thousand years before Christ, the

1836
01:41:15,400 --> 01:41:20,439
Speaker 1: Sumerians built a wall to keep out, uh, the the

1837
01:41:20,680 --> 01:41:25,000
Speaker 1: neighbors that they didn't like. Um. And the amor Rights

1838
01:41:25,240 --> 01:41:30,400
Speaker 1: next door were supposed to be kept out, but unfortunately, uh,

1839
01:41:30,439 --> 01:41:32,479
Speaker 1: the amor Rights were able to overcome it. But the

1840
01:41:32,680 --> 01:41:36,519
Speaker 1: two thousand years BC, there's there was a wall built

1841
01:41:36,560 --> 01:41:40,160
Speaker 1: to keep out in neighboring aggressive tribe by the by

1842
01:41:40,200 --> 01:41:43,760
Speaker 1: the Sumerians. UM. Of course, then you can move on

1843
01:41:43,840 --> 01:41:47,200
Speaker 1: to among the most famous walls of all time, short

1844
01:41:47,200 --> 01:41:50,679
Speaker 1: of the Great Wall, the Long Wall of Athens, which

1845
01:41:50,840 --> 01:41:54,360
Speaker 1: was the means of connecting the great city state of

1846
01:41:54,400 --> 01:42:00,320
Speaker 1: Athens to its ports on. One of the deficiency of

1847
01:42:00,320 --> 01:42:03,639
Speaker 1: construction that Athens suffered from is that Athens, ancient Athens

1848
01:42:04,400 --> 01:42:07,880
Speaker 1: was was landlock separated from the sea. It had two

1849
01:42:08,680 --> 01:42:12,559
Speaker 1: excellent harbors though, at Piraeus and Phalerum. But of course,

1850
01:42:12,600 --> 01:42:15,280
Speaker 1: if you are suffering from a siege and you're cut

1851
01:42:15,320 --> 01:42:17,960
Speaker 1: off from you're cut off from the ocean, you're cut

1852
01:42:17,960 --> 01:42:21,360
Speaker 1: off from the Mediterranean Um, that doesn't do you much good.

1853
01:42:21,439 --> 01:42:27,400
Speaker 1: So they constructed barriers all along the stretch between the

1854
01:42:27,520 --> 01:42:30,800
Speaker 1: city of Athens Um, and this was in the in

1855
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:34,000
Speaker 1: the fifth century BC, between the city of Athens UH

1856
01:42:34,040 --> 01:42:37,519
Speaker 1: and its ports on its coast, so that then whenever

1857
01:42:37,560 --> 01:42:41,600
Speaker 1: there was a siege, and siege warfare was a constant

1858
01:42:41,840 --> 01:42:46,759
Speaker 1: in ancient Greece, between these warring city states UH, they

1859
01:42:47,000 --> 01:42:48,400
Speaker 1: could have access to the sea, which made it a

1860
01:42:48,479 --> 01:42:52,120
Speaker 1: lot harder to well starve them out and take the city.

1861
01:42:52,240 --> 01:42:56,600
Speaker 1: So building walls was it was an ingenious, an ingenious

1862
01:42:56,960 --> 01:43:02,040
Speaker 1: decision in the fifth century BC worked well. Another wall

1863
01:43:02,320 --> 01:43:05,000
Speaker 1: near and dear to my heart Hadrian's Wall, just because

1864
01:43:05,000 --> 01:43:10,559
Speaker 1: I like history. Hadrian's Wall is around UH one twenty

1865
01:43:10,600 --> 01:43:15,960
Speaker 1: a D. The emperor, the ancient Roman emperor Hadrian created

1866
01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:19,599
Speaker 1: a stone wall with the remnants of it are still up.

1867
01:43:19,680 --> 01:43:23,760
Speaker 1: You can see some of the some of uh what

1868
01:43:23,960 --> 01:43:26,800
Speaker 1: was built. It has stayed, some of the ruins of

1869
01:43:26,800 --> 01:43:29,719
Speaker 1: this wall because they were trying to protect Roman Britain

1870
01:43:30,439 --> 01:43:36,120
Speaker 1: from the rather warlike tribes, the barbarians, as the Romans

1871
01:43:36,120 --> 01:43:39,240
Speaker 1: thought of them, like the picts that were in northern

1872
01:43:39,280 --> 01:43:43,120
Speaker 1: England and Scotland. Oh that's right, highland people avoiding central

1873
01:43:43,160 --> 01:43:47,520
Speaker 1: government authority. It's not like it started with kilts and bagpipes,

1874
01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:50,120
Speaker 1: my friends. This was the case in the in the

1875
01:43:50,160 --> 01:43:54,280
Speaker 1: first and second century a D. So that wall was

1876
01:43:54,400 --> 01:43:59,599
Speaker 1: about ten feet by fifteen feet and it had forts

1877
01:43:59,720 --> 01:44:02,200
Speaker 1: of horse. Any good wall that's going to serve as

1878
01:44:02,280 --> 01:44:06,400
Speaker 1: a a barrier between people's has got to have a

1879
01:44:06,439 --> 01:44:09,760
Speaker 1: manned component to it, because yes, a ladder can get

1880
01:44:09,760 --> 01:44:12,160
Speaker 1: you over a wall or a rock wall, you'll just

1881
01:44:12,200 --> 01:44:16,040
Speaker 1: climb over. But it does still serve a purpose, as

1882
01:44:16,040 --> 01:44:21,040
Speaker 1: I said, psychological as well as tactical. Uh. And it

1883
01:44:21,160 --> 01:44:26,960
Speaker 1: creates that sense of where Roman territory stopped and the

1884
01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:32,080
Speaker 1: Barbarian territory started. A physical barrier allows for that, and

1885
01:44:32,360 --> 01:44:36,320
Speaker 1: it is a manifestation of the perception of state control

1886
01:44:36,400 --> 01:44:39,360
Speaker 1: as well as being a defensive fortification. Interesting by the

1887
01:44:39,400 --> 01:44:44,120
Speaker 1: way that the original term Barbarian comes from ancient, ancient Greek,

1888
01:44:44,160 --> 01:44:45,839
Speaker 1: and it's just those It was a reference to barbar

1889
01:44:46,479 --> 01:44:49,720
Speaker 1: They spoke something other than Greek people outside of of

1890
01:44:49,800 --> 01:44:55,000
Speaker 1: the of the Greek peninsula, and later the Romans would

1891
01:44:55,000 --> 01:44:57,479
Speaker 1: eventually refer to Greeks as Barbarians, which was kind of

1892
01:44:57,520 --> 01:45:00,479
Speaker 1: fun to them because the Romans stole the Greek god's

1893
01:45:00,479 --> 01:45:03,520
Speaker 1: Greek culture. The Romans were good at fighting and efficiency

1894
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Speaker 1: and engineering, and they borrowed a whole lot of the

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Speaker 1: other stuff from the Greeks. But that's a discussion, I

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Speaker 1: suppose for another time. So back to Hadrian's Wall, very

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Speaker 1: famous wall, and it worked reasonably well for a while, um,

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Speaker 1: but then it un then it it was not enough. Um.

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Speaker 1: So they actually they moved to Barry even further, called

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Speaker 1: the Antonine Wall. Um. But eventually the Romans is, you know, evacuated.

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Speaker 1: And there's a movie King Arthur with Clive Owen that

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Speaker 1: deals with Hadrian's Wall and this this period in and

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Speaker 1: the it's really the height of the expansion of ancient Rome.

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Speaker 1: They made it all the way up into England. And

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Speaker 1: then you have the most famous wall of all time.

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Speaker 1: People talking about it's visible from space, uh, the Great

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Speaker 1: Wall of China Um. And it's really a series of

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Speaker 1: walls that were connected together. U. The it began and

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Speaker 1: in the third century BC, but the sections that you

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Speaker 1: know best were not. They didn't get constructed to the

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Speaker 1: fourth between the fourteenth and and seventeen centuries. They were

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Speaker 1: set up to uh protect the Ming dynasty from nomads.

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Speaker 1: And those of you who know you're Asian history know

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Speaker 1: that Asian nomads in this in the case of the Mongols,

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Speaker 1: became the most powerful dynasty uh well really of of

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Speaker 1: a in the in the post Roman pre modern era.

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Speaker 1: I don't think anybody ever had as much territory as

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Speaker 1: the cons nor was anyone responsible for quite as much carnage, destruction, uh, murder,

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Speaker 1: and well a whole lot of other stuff too, some

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Speaker 1: of it could there. There are some that try to

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Speaker 1: rehabilitate the the cons as they created a postal service,

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Speaker 1: and thanks to them we have rugs and paper became

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Speaker 1: more widespread I'm familiar with all of that. But they

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Speaker 1: also had habits like rolling up people that stole in

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Speaker 1: in a carpet and trampling them with horses to death.

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Speaker 1: And there were some rough stuff, or or setting up

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Speaker 1: a a post on a wagon, and any able bodied

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Speaker 1: man in a city that they took that was taller

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Speaker 1: than that post, they would cut off his head. That

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Speaker 1: was a way to make an impression. UM. So the

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Speaker 1: Great Wall of China is is a series of defensive

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Speaker 1: fortifications that for a long time were effective in part.

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Speaker 1: I mean they Obviously a wall is not a cure all,

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Speaker 1: and no one says that it is, UM. But it

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Speaker 1: was the largest man made object in the world. UM.

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Speaker 1: And it did not stop some of the uh the

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Speaker 1: nomads for making their way in and it did not

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Speaker 1: even save them in dynasty. But the Great Wall of China,

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Speaker 1: of course, UH constructed over the course of of a millennium. UM.

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Speaker 1: Then they're the Great Wall. Then they're the walls of

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Speaker 1: the great Walls. The walls of Constantinople one of the

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Speaker 1: greatest cities of antiquity. UM. It had fourteen miles of

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Speaker 1: barricades of walls around the city. UH. And they included

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Speaker 1: a moat, and they were uh the inner wall was

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Speaker 1: forty feet tall and fifteen feet thick, so they that's

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Speaker 1: what kept Constantinople a great city for so long. It

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Speaker 1: was very difficult than it wasn't until uh the Ottomans

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Speaker 1: in fourteen fifty three when they brought gunpowder to bear

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Speaker 1: that finally the city was taken. But the Byzantine Empire

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Speaker 1: held out much longer than it would have otherwise because

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Speaker 1: of not just Constantinople's incredible strategic location at the the

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Speaker 1: mouth of where the Mediterranean turns into where the Bosphorus,

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Speaker 1: where the Mediterranean and the Black Sea meat. So it's

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Speaker 1: clearly a very very valuable real estate, but also because

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Speaker 1: of the tremendous walls built around the city and then

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Speaker 1: on the not so and then then not celebrated side

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Speaker 1: of things. Of course, you have the Berlin Wall, which

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Speaker 1: separated people in East and West Germany. Uh. It was

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Speaker 1: erected in nineteen sixty one, and it had guard towers

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Speaker 1: and electric five fences, and people were killed trying to

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Speaker 1: cross over, and had separated people from a city. But

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Speaker 1: it was effective at keeping a population separated from another population.

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Speaker 1: So I just think that the history of walls to

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Speaker 1: me is is fascinating and I could do a whole

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Speaker 1: other segment of maybe I will later on on how

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Speaker 1: you look at the uh walled fortifications and they are

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Speaker 1: necessary for civilization without a walled village where without and

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Speaker 1: you go back into medieval times, the feudal era. Without

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Speaker 1: the ability to create walls around a city or at

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Speaker 1: least have a walled keep to defend people in the

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Speaker 1: village from becoming overrun by marauders and bandits or neighboring

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Speaker 1: warlord and killing everyone, uh, you would you would not

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Speaker 1: have really been able to have the progression of civilization

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Speaker 1: um well, anywhere, but in the in the Western world particularly,

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Speaker 1: so walls are essential. Walls are important, and they've been

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Speaker 1: around a long time. And despite what democrats want to

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Speaker 1: say these days, as walls do work. They are not perfect,

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Speaker 1: but they surf a purpose. And it's not just about

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Speaker 1: the physical barrier. It's also a psychological manifestation of a

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Speaker 1: border between states. It is the physical location where uh

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Speaker 1: one power gives way to another. So I just want

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Speaker 1: to talk about walls a little bit there as we

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Speaker 1: get ready for UH, well, it won't be it will

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Speaker 1: be a while. I think before it gets talked about

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Speaker 1: in the context of a budget again. Anyway, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: hit a quick break here and I'll be right back.

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Speaker 1: Stay with me. Just a quick note before any of

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Speaker 1: you tweet at me about this or semi Facebook message.

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Speaker 1: And I know you can't see the Great Wall from space.

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Speaker 1: I said that. People say that it can be seen

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Speaker 1: from space NASA. NASA's official government web page. They even

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Speaker 1: have a little section devoted to it. No. No, even

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Speaker 1: from a low Earth orbit, you cannot. The naked eye

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Speaker 1: cannot see the the Great Wall of China. But people

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Speaker 1: always say that it's the only man made Nope, nope,

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Speaker 1: no false false false. Um Oh. By the way, I

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Speaker 1: also have some updates for you on the speech that

1998
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Speaker 1: did take place, I believe and Coulter's draft of her

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Speaker 1: speech was read by read by some folks out in California,

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Speaker 1: some conservatives and Lauren Southern, whom we've had on the

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Speaker 1: show before. I see on her Twitter feed she she

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Speaker 1: looks right now like she is in like an extreme

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Speaker 1: or ex games competition. She's like a helmet on backpack

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Speaker 1: go pro cam. I guess she was ready for things

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Speaker 1: to get particularly uh uh spicy out there on the

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Speaker 1: on the grounds of Berkeley. Um. But they said, I

2007
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Speaker 1: see on Twitter here they're saying that nothing particularly bad

2008
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Speaker 1: happened and everything was okay. So they read their speech

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Speaker 1: and didn't really get too out of hand. So there

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Speaker 1: you go. Um, still a loss for free speech in

2011
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Speaker 1: the sense that you know, Anne wasn't able to give

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Speaker 1: her speech, and I Anne has a much bigger profile

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Speaker 1: than the other individuals who are out there who were

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Speaker 1: trying to make a point of reading and speech for it,

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Speaker 1: which is nice of them. But no and no riot,

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Speaker 1: I think is the way is the way that this

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Speaker 1: was going to go down, and that seems to be

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Speaker 1: what happened. Um. But it's it's just amazing that this

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Speaker 1: is the level things have gotten to in this country

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Speaker 1: when it comes free speech. All right, I want to

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Speaker 1: also talk to you about something else really quick. Here.

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Speaker 1: Barack Obama got another four hundred thousand dollars speaking fee

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Speaker 1: uh first hanging out with A and E Networks at

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Speaker 1: the Pierre Hotel here in New York City. He was

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Speaker 1: interviewed um by presidential anyway, it doesn't really matter, does it.

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Speaker 1: Four hundred thousand dollars sixty million dollar book deal four

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Speaker 1: undred thousand dollars of speech. Obama's gonna be very rich,

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Speaker 1: very powerful Democrat. He's going to be the day factor

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Speaker 1: leader of the Democrat Party for at least the next

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Speaker 1: two years, maybe even beyond that. So those you think

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Speaker 1: that you've heard your last Obama speech, oh know, my friends,

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Speaker 1: I just come to bring you the news. I come

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Speaker 1: to bring you the truth, and you will definitely, you

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Speaker 1: will definitely be hearing more from Barack Obama. Hopefully you

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Speaker 1: won't have to pay him four grand ducks. That's a

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Speaker 1: lot of money. That's a lot of money. It's a

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Speaker 1: lot of cash. Um. Please do check out buck Sexton

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Speaker 1: dot com you get a chance. We are doing more

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Speaker 1: and more on the site. It is up and running.

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Speaker 1: It's that the online home of the Freedom Hunt. And

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Speaker 1: also tomorrow we I am going to be out tomorrow

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Speaker 1: because even once in a while even I need to

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Speaker 1: take a day off and we'll have Ken Matthews in

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Speaker 1: for me, talk radio host Ken Matthews, really nice guy.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna be at the Helm here in the Freedom

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Speaker 1: Hunt for the day and let me be back with

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Speaker 1: you all on Monday, which I'm very much looking forward to.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go get some sun this weekend. I kind

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Speaker 1: of need that. Spend some time with the girlfriend, get

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Speaker 1: some sun. That needs to happen. So UM, I will

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Speaker 1: entrust your I'll entrust all the freedom spreading to all

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Speaker 1: of you, Team Buck and Ken tomorrow here on the

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Speaker 1: Freedom Hunt. Please download the podcast and do me one

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