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Speaker 1: Command his Family.

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Speaker 2: Another special episode of Next Man Up, post holiday edition,

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Speaker 2: we have Jamison Crowder pull up to talk about what

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Speaker 2: his season has been like trying to overcome an injury

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Speaker 2: and how great it feels to be back on that field.

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Speaker 2: Then we're throwing it back to Washington Legend and yes,

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Speaker 2: I called him a legend because of not only what

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Speaker 2: he's done on the field, but what he's done post

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Speaker 2: career for the.

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Speaker 1: D m V.

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Speaker 2: Tim high Tower, DMV's finest pulls up to talk about

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Speaker 2: being from here, how we felt he left the city down,

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Speaker 2: and how he's tried to overcome that and give back

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Speaker 2: to the city that he loves so much. Command his Family,

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Speaker 2: All that war on this week's episodes, Command his Family.

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Speaker 2: For our Next Man Up, we had to save one

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Speaker 2: of my favorite for last All Wide Receiver jameson crowded Brother.

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Speaker 3: How you doing, man, I'm doing great, man, and complain

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Speaker 3: bliss man man.

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Speaker 2: Good to have you here, dog man. What a year

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Speaker 2: has been for you man. So let's get right into

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Speaker 2: the first thing.

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Speaker 1: Man, How you feeling. How's everything going, brother?

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Speaker 3: And I'm feeling great, you know, got the body and

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Speaker 3: everything good man some time, but I'm feeling good man,

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Speaker 3: or going down the stretch.

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Speaker 2: It was great seeing you here, man, because a lot

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Speaker 2: changed coming into this season. Man, A lot of people

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Speaker 2: aren't here no more that were here last year with me.

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Speaker 2: You was coming back over here. What was it like, man,

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Speaker 2: knowing that this coaching staff believed in you enough to

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Speaker 2: keep you on this roster and keep you here even

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Speaker 2: though they came in and made a lot of changes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I thought that it was. It was

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Speaker 3: a little easier to you know, for my mind. Man.

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Speaker 3: You know, obviously when you get new coaches, management and everything,

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Speaker 3: you don't know which direction they want to go. But

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Speaker 3: you know, for them to resigned me back early early

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Speaker 3: in the off season, you know that that really showed

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Speaker 3: me that they wasn't give me opportunities. Obviously in the

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Speaker 3: all season, I feel like I did a really good

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Speaker 3: job of taking advantages, taking advantage of a few opportunities

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Speaker 3: I got, and just thankful that they kept me around.

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Speaker 2: And then you come, you're hungry, you're ready to come

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Speaker 2: show what you can do, and then immediately struggling injury and.

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Speaker 1: You don't get to do that.

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Speaker 2: How tough has it been that and getting back on

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Speaker 2: this field, especially with a new coaching staff that you're

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Speaker 2: hungry to prove yourself to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, it's definitely been tough man, especially mentally, that's been

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Speaker 3: the biggest thing. You know. Earlier in the year, Man

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Speaker 3: dealt with his calf and and it kind of lingered

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Speaker 3: for a few weeks. And the last few weeks I've

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Speaker 3: been feeling better. It was just all about they wanted

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Speaker 3: to make sure that I was good because I know,

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Speaker 3: these calf injury something that they contend to linger. So

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Speaker 3: you know, the last few weeks it was just all

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Speaker 3: that stemming the back and the muscle and well, yeah,

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Speaker 3: but the biggest thing, man, I just try to keep

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Speaker 3: my mental is it's clear and it's positive as possible

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Speaker 3: throughout that uh you know, recovery process and uh you know,

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Speaker 3: now that I'm back, man, I'm just trying to you know,

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Speaker 3: prove my prove my you know, prove my worth. And

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Speaker 3: I think help by the team.

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Speaker 1: Was how did you keep your mental right?

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Speaker 2: Because you hear all the time man, people, especially you're

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Speaker 2: in year ten, you could have easily been like, you

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Speaker 2: know what, it's time to hang it up.

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Speaker 1: How do you keep your mental going and keep fighting, man.

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Speaker 3: I mean just having a lot of good people in

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Speaker 3: staying connected you know spiritually, obviously, my dad, you know,

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Speaker 3: because I mean there were times that got tough, and

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Speaker 3: you know, obviously there were times where you start a

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Speaker 3: this just from a healthstonak. Yeah, But like I say, man,

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Speaker 3: these last few weeks, Man, it's been it's been you

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 3: Like I said, my body's been feeling good. I got

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Speaker 2: I said, year ten, what does Jameson Crowder play for now?

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Speaker 1: What motivates you? Because that's not easy.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 2: I've seen you on that practice field every day trying

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Speaker 4: Bro.

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Speaker 2: I respect it a lot because I know that's not easy,

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Speaker 1: So what are you playing the game for right now?

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Speaker 3: I mean just the love of the game, man, you

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Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. I just love to play and

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Speaker 3: go out there and compete, you know, make plays, and

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Speaker 3: that's basically all it is. You know, went out there, man,

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Speaker 3: having fun at this point. You know your team, Man,

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Speaker 3: I don't really have any you know, any stress, any pressures.

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Speaker 3: Go out there, man, and make plays and steal shit.

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Speaker 3: I can still play.

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Speaker 2: Then finally get a chance to get back on that

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Speaker 2: how great was that moment for you to be able

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Speaker 3: You know, it was a great feeling, man. You know,

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Speaker 3: it's been a while since I had been out there.

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Speaker 3: You know, I always had a mindset, man when I

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Speaker 3: After the game, I just had to kind of sit

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Speaker 3: and just from a preparation standpoint, and then obviously the

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Speaker 3: but it felt great to be back out there and

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Speaker 2: And when you talk about that reflection, when you talk

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it was just because, like I said, man,

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Speaker 3: Ain't going on with about two months now, and you know,

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Speaker 3: a lot that go into it, obviously to get your mind,

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Speaker 3: And like I said, after the game, I just kind

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Speaker 3: it's a long day. Like it was a lot that

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Speaker 3: you know, I'm just glad to get back out there,

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Speaker 3: glad to get back into that rhythm, routine and everything.

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Speaker 3: But at the same time, it was a little mentally draining.

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Speaker 4: Though.

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Speaker 2: When you have that moment and you do that reflection

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Speaker 2: then you still have games to play, does that make

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Nah, more certainly, especially when you make plays and you

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Speaker 3: it's just kind of like, man, for me, like each week,

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: I'm hungry, you know, going forward. Like I said, when

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Speaker 3: I get my opportunities, man, I'm just trying to make

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Speaker 2: I think what's been most impressive than me is seeing

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Speaker 1: But y'all still in this building, y'all still around.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 2: I've heard a lot about how Jonathan Allen's been able

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Speaker 3: I mean, even when I was dealing with my injury, man,

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Speaker 3: obviously just give them my input where I saw fit.

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Speaker 3: Like I said, I was just staying engaged, whether that

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Speaker 3: So that's how I was, you know, able to kind

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Speaker 2: And then we got a rookie and Luke McCaffrey that

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Speaker 3: I mean, same thing, you know, whatever I see, just

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Speaker 3: I think the unique thing about Lucas that he comes

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Speaker 3: obviously talented, talented NFL NFL players. It's crazy because his

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Speaker 3: older brother, Max McCaffrey, Man, Max played together at Duke,

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Speaker 3: obviously his dad. So but yeah, man, just you know,

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Speaker 3: whatever I would see with Luke, I would just give me,

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Speaker 3: he's been receptive and he's a good player, and I

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Speaker 1: And I think it helps all of you guys, even you.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure having a coach like Ingram over there, somebody

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Speaker 2: that's played the game of the high levelings out here,

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Speaker 2: I feel like that's what this coacheff is full of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think that's one thing that you know,

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Speaker 3: it's different when you have a coach that that is, uh,

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Speaker 3: that inhelpment perspective. A lot of times you have plays

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Speaker 4: Man, I'm doing well, doing well.

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Speaker 4: Man? Just, first of all, I was pissed off.

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Speaker 2: And that's, of course because you are a true competitor.

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Speaker 2: What a position you were to learn right You got

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Speaker 5: Rams at the time and I'm like, oh, yeah, I've arrived.

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00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:31,720
Speaker 5: I told you I could do this, I could be here.

439
00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,400
Speaker 5: This is my time. I didn't rest for one hundred

440
00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:39,240
Speaker 5: yards again that season, and matter of fact, it was

441
00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,119
Speaker 5: more difficult now. It's in what my coach told me,

442
00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,000
Speaker 5: and I didn't know what he talked about. What's talking

443
00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,560
Speaker 5: about is now they're game planning for you. You caught

444
00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,560
Speaker 5: him by surprise the first time. Now they're game planning

445
00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,679
Speaker 5: for you. Now it's a lot more difficult now your body.

446
00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,480
Speaker 5: You know, before you were coming in on third downs,

447
00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,080
Speaker 5: you were fresh, things like that. Now it's you've got

448
00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,960
Speaker 5: to sustain drive. You've got to be the guy. You've

449
00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,320
Speaker 5: got to carry, not just the third down situation, the

450
00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,560
Speaker 5: first down, the goal line, the critical situation. It's the

451
00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:09,760
Speaker 5: preparation during the week. Is the recovery during the week,

452
00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:13,320
Speaker 5: getting your body back up. So Number one, the thing

453
00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:17,119
Speaker 5: that I learned man, very early, was it's not easy

454
00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,040
Speaker 5: not only to have success, but to have sustained success

455
00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,280
Speaker 5: over a period of time in this league. You better

456
00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,760
Speaker 5: be consistent, you better have a process, and you better

457
00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:25,440
Speaker 5: know what you're doing.

458
00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:26,520
Speaker 4: Number one.

459
00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:30,560
Speaker 5: Number Two, man, it's sometimes your biggest strength can be

460
00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,640
Speaker 5: your biggest weakness, and that strength of having that chip

461
00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:34,400
Speaker 5: on your shoulder.

462
00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,359
Speaker 4: I'm upset and frustrated.

463
00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,400
Speaker 5: And I've got Hall of famers Larry Fitzgerald and Kwan

464
00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,399
Speaker 5: Bold and Kurt Warner, Edri and James and here I

465
00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,320
Speaker 5: am complaining to my coaches every single week. I want

466
00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,560
Speaker 5: twenty carries plus a fifth rounder who has no business

467
00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:52,679
Speaker 5: being here out of Richmond is calling for twenty plus

468
00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,280
Speaker 5: carries a game when you've got three one thousand yard receivers,

469
00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:57,560
Speaker 5: a Hall of Fame quarterback and a Hall of Fame

470
00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:01,080
Speaker 5: running back. But for me, in my mind was I

471
00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,920
Speaker 5: want the ball and I want to win, right, and

472
00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:09,359
Speaker 5: not understanding man Like it wasn't until coming back in

473
00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,520
Speaker 5: that stadium playing for the Saints and you see that

474
00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,280
Speaker 5: NFC championship banner being a part of the first team

475
00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:15,920
Speaker 5: to ever in the team history to go to the

476
00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:20,200
Speaker 5: Super Bowl. That team Accolade is going to stand longer

477
00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:23,000
Speaker 5: than any of my individual records. I broke the rookie

478
00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,680
Speaker 5: record for touching for a touchdowns in the season. David

479
00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:29,000
Speaker 5: Johnson broke that a few years later. But what nobody

480
00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,720
Speaker 5: is breaking is that banner that's still hanging there, right,

481
00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:35,959
Speaker 5: And so I didn't quite understand, man. It's like knowing

482
00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:40,280
Speaker 5: how to be competitive, but understand what your role is

483
00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:45,040
Speaker 5: in part of a larger and in pursuit of something

484
00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:45,960
Speaker 5: bigger than yourself.

485
00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,080
Speaker 2: And when you say something like that, I'm sure people

486
00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:49,880
Speaker 2: listening to be like, man, what is this dude? Talking

487
00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,119
Speaker 2: about why would he think he deserves touches when you

488
00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,280
Speaker 2: name all of those people. But when I hear that,

489
00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:56,840
Speaker 2: I hear an extreme level of.

490
00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:58,160
Speaker 1: Belief in self.

491
00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,000
Speaker 2: Even going out to Richmond again me yourself a shot

492
00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,040
Speaker 2: and just going to take the opportunity that you were given.

493
00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,520
Speaker 2: That is extreme belief in self. Where does that belief

494
00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:07,639
Speaker 2: in self come from?

495
00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,240
Speaker 4: Man? My parents? My parents?

496
00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,760
Speaker 5: Man, it's I remember, and I talk about it, and

497
00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,159
Speaker 5: you know, and the book that I end up writing,

498
00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:20,120
Speaker 5: I remember my dad. Man, he would he would get

499
00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,359
Speaker 5: upset if I ever came home and told him about

500
00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,399
Speaker 5: what somebody told me about what their opinion to me.

501
00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,760
Speaker 5: He would get upset. Did He would always say, did

502
00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:30,359
Speaker 5: I tell you that? That's not what I told you?

503
00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,520
Speaker 5: That's not who I told you you were? And it

504
00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,920
Speaker 5: was like this one of those things where it's like

505
00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,520
Speaker 5: when you're young before you get confidence. It's like when

506
00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,679
Speaker 5: I had my confidence on layaway, like I was borrowing

507
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,520
Speaker 5: my dad's confidence, right, and he instilled he was so

508
00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:47,560
Speaker 5: big on like instilling belief in yourself, and you believe it,

509
00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:49,560
Speaker 5: you want it, and then you make sure that you're

510
00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,080
Speaker 5: putting in the same the effort and the work and

511
00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,639
Speaker 5: the requirement. But don't you ever let nobody talk you

512
00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:56,159
Speaker 5: out of what you want or what you can and

513
00:20:56,200 --> 00:21:00,840
Speaker 5: can't do. And again it's like, my dad is putting

514
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,480
Speaker 5: that in me. Then there's nothing that no one else

515
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,320
Speaker 5: or no one else can take away from me. And

516
00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,040
Speaker 5: then now you start with that, and then as you

517
00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:13,000
Speaker 5: start to have milestones that it's a coach used to

518
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,840
Speaker 5: tell me success comes from demonstrated ability. So right now,

519
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:17,879
Speaker 5: it's like you start with a belief and then you

520
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:19,919
Speaker 5: start to accomplish a few things, and so now the

521
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,480
Speaker 5: confidence grows from the belief, the affirmation, but then now

522
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 5: the demonstrated ability. So by the time you get to

523
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 5: the NFL, it's like, man, look, who were you to

524
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 5: tell me? I've been doing this since I was in

525
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,240
Speaker 5: the third third grade? Who are you to come to

526
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,040
Speaker 5: tell me what I can or cannot accomplish? You weren't

527
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,640
Speaker 5: there when the dream started, so you anyway, I could digress,

528
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,480
Speaker 5: but that's where it started for me. It was definitely

529
00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 5: my parents, and that's shaped over time.

530
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:44,920
Speaker 2: You get to be in the super Bowl, you get

531
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 2: to play, You've accomplished this dream of being in the NFL,

532
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:52,119
Speaker 2: even though the odds were stacked against you. Then you

533
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 2: find out you're being traded to the Washington Redskins.

534
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,360
Speaker 1: You're going back home to the DMV.

535
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 2: Man, what is the first thing that goes through a

536
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,240
Speaker 2: young tim hot Tower's mind when you heard that your

537
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 2: hometown team, the team you grew up watching and rooting for,

538
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:07,679
Speaker 2: said you know what, we like this kid enough to

539
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,680
Speaker 2: trade for him and give up a draft pit for him.

540
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

541
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 5: Man, it was such a mix of emotions. There were

542
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 5: so many things. It's such a weird feeling.

543
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 2: Man.

544
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 5: You know, I spent three years there, the place that

545
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:26,879
Speaker 5: you know, gave me an opportunity.

546
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,200
Speaker 4: You know, you embrace it, but it's weird.

547
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,679
Speaker 5: It's like, now am I no longer wanted It's that

548
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,440
Speaker 5: business side of it. As a player, I don't think

549
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 5: we quite understand and grasp the business of it, you know,

550
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:39,640
Speaker 5: young in our careers.

551
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 4: But then it was bittersweet because it was to the

552
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 4: back to the DMV.

553
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:48,120
Speaker 5: It's like, this is where this place raised me, right,

554
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 5: And so it was the excitement of man driving past

555
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,879
Speaker 5: at the time FedEx Stadium and hearing the song and

556
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,439
Speaker 5: seeing hearing the conversations in the barbershop talking about, you know,

557
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 5: the game and all that kind of stuff on Monday

558
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 5: and Tuesday and things like that. So it's like, man,

559
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,160
Speaker 5: wait a minute, it's meaning I'm not wanted, But man,

560
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,199
Speaker 5: I get a chance to go back to all the

561
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 5: people in my college, high school coaches, and all the

562
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,159
Speaker 5: people in the church family at all. So it was

563
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:18,479
Speaker 5: a bittersweet moment, but ultimately something that I was excited. Man,

564
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 5: it was a dream come true, Like I said, for

565
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 5: those every player to get a chance to play in

566
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,199
Speaker 5: your own backyard and to have people see you who

567
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,919
Speaker 5: watched you grow and build a name for yourself and

568
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 5: for your family.

569
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 4: Man, it was special. It was special.

570
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,360
Speaker 2: And you hear a lot, especially from athletes, right, it's

571
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 2: not always easy to go back home, especially as a

572
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 2: professional athlete, and then to go back home and play

573
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 2: and stay locked in and get focused. So you're excited

574
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 2: when you hear about it, But then you got to

575
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 2: do it. Was it everything you thought it would be

576
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 2: or were there challenges that you weren't expecting being back

577
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 2: home for the first time after.

578
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 1: A few years.

579
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 5: Let me tell you something, I'm glad I didn't get

580
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 5: drafted here, that's for sure.

581
00:23:58,160 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 4: Man.

582
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 5: Let me tell you something. I'm glad it's there's so

583
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 5: the game is one thing, right, The game is where

584
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 5: we all find comfort. We can figure the extras and

585
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 5: oo's out with competitors, we can figure that out. It's

586
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 5: the off the field and figuring out how to go

587
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 5: from being a college kid in your dorm trying to

588
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 5: maximize your meal swipes to you know, all that kind

589
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 5: of stuff too. Next thing, you know, I got to

590
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 5: hire people, I got to fire people who I got

591
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,199
Speaker 5: to tell people know, people who I may have stayed with,

592
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 5: lived with, and now they need you know, they're two

593
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 5: months behind, three months behind their mortgage, in their lives.

594
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 5: You know, they know your mama that you know, all

595
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 5: of these those dynamics, right, and the pressure not only

596
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 5: that it just puts on you as an athlete, but

597
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 5: the pressure that puts on your family that you don't

598
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,479
Speaker 5: even know about when you come back to the DMV.

599
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 5: Now people are putting all that pressure on your family

600
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 5: because they think they're you know, they've arrived, right, and

601
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 5: so there's all of these other You're just excited about

602
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,479
Speaker 5: thinking everyone's just going to be happy for you, but

603
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 5: really there's all of these expectations and pressures that as

604
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 5: a young dude man, I'm just glad that I wasn't there.

605
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 5: You know, my first year, I had a few years

606
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 5: to kind of figure out the ticket, what's the ticket

607
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,439
Speaker 5: strategy going to be, Who's gonna be the no person?

608
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 5: I still didn't get it right. But I just remember

609
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 5: being a ton of emotions, man, And for me, as

610
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 5: excited as I was, it just was so bittersweet, and

611
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 5: I felt like I let the city down, you know,

612
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 5: in the way when I got hurt, because there was

613
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,439
Speaker 5: so much promise. It started out so strong, and it

614
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 5: just to me just it It was such a mix

615
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 5: of emotions from where it started to where it ended

616
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 5: for me personally, right.

617
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 2: Because I mean, you come in, I think your first

618
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 2: games against the Giants ball out, then you have some

619
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 2: games where you're still playing great. Then your last game

620
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 2: before you tear that ACL was a great game. So

621
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 2: you get here, you have that high. But then again

622
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 2: you mentioned that Ahl you said you felt like you

623
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 2: let the city down. What was it like dealing with

624
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 2: that in real time? In that moment you come home,

625
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 2: you find success, You're finally you know, becoming that feature

626
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 2: back that you always knew you could be, and minutes

627
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 2: all gets taken away.

628
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,120
Speaker 1: At the crib. What was that like for you? Man?

629
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 4: Yeah?

630
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 5: Man, I mean even saying that like at home, you know,

631
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 5: that was difficult.

632
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 4: Man. It felt like a nightmare. Wow, I remember, you know.

633
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 5: So I get traded and Mike Shanahan calls me and

634
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 5: tells me I'm going to you know, come here to Washington,

635
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 5: and you know, and he's excited.

636
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 4: He wants to build a team around you know, you

637
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 4: know me.

638
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 5: And what we do and kind of an identity and

639
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 5: the way I run the football and things like that.

640
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 5: And the last thing I remember going out of the huddle,

641
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 5: the stadium, the locker room, the Panthers, Kyle Shanahan looks

642
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 5: at me and he says, hey, I'm putting this game

643
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 5: on your shoulders.

644
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 4: I need you to get us out of here.

645
00:26:55,640 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 5: And as a competitor, that's that's all you want to hear, right,

646
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 5: that's all you want to hear. When for a coach

647
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 5: to say it's on you, the game's on you, right

648
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 5: if you if you're about anything and the coach gives

649
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 5: you a call to action now that you need it.

650
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 5: But if a coach give looks at you and said,

651
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 5: you know, I need you to deliver, this was the

652
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 5: time because for me, we were, you know, I was

653
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 5: on the brink of talking about you know, contract extensions

654
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 5: and all these types of things.

655
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 4: I'm right there being I'm right.

656
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 5: There, Brian to year four record generation, you know, a

657
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 5: generational type season and changing the dynamics and the legacy

658
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 5: and trajectory for my family back home.

659
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 4: People are excited, and.

660
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 5: The next you know, one cut, one move that I've

661
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 5: done thousands of time, it just it's done.

662
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 4: It's gone. So man, it was a it was a nightmare.

663
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 5: It felt like a nightmare that I couldn't wake up

664
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 5: from and it took it took a while to recover

665
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 5: from that mentally and physically.

666
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had to take that toll because then the

667
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 2: following season, and I think you end up getting healthy,

668
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 2: trying to play again, and then get hurt again. Something

669
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 2: happens in the following season that makes you say, okay,

670
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 2: I'm stepping away.

671
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: From the game of football. Long as you step away.

672
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 2: Took a four year hiatus before you end up going

673
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 2: to the New Orleans Saints. Talk about that period of time,

674
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 2: because it sounds like it started with that injury and

675
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 2: that it kind of just spread until you were able

676
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 2: to get that second chance. What caused that four year

677
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 2: hiatus from the NFL?

678
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 5: Man, I wasn't healthy and I couldn't figure out what

679
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 5: it was. So yeah, I try to come back the

680
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 5: next season and prematurely and again as a competitor, you

681
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 5: want to push yourself and you feel like, again, what

682
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 5: got you? Sometimes your greatest strength can be your greatest weakness,

683
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 5: not knowing what it means to rest to fully recovered.

684
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 4: No, no, no, I got here by grinding. I got here by.

685
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 5: You know, if I got to do three days, if

686
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 5: I got to do four days, if I got to do

687
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 5: five days, I'm going to get back and stronger. But

688
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 5: not listening to some of those signs, and my knee

689
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 5: just wasn't right. And so I get there in training

690
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 5: camp and sure enough it wasn't And that led me

691
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 5: down a path. For whatever reason, my knee wasn't responding,

692
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 5: and I'm seeing doctor after doctor after doctor, and it

693
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 5: just wasn't getting better. It was swelling and infections and

694
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 5: all these types of things. Will come to find out

695
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 5: my knee was infected and they had to you know,

696
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 5: five surgeries later and a lot of money and hundreds

697
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 5: of thousand dollars and flying across the country seeing every

698
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 5: doctor possible. I finally got an eighteenth opinion and they

699
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 5: finally were able to address it. But it just took

700
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 5: that long, man, to find out what was going on

701
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 5: and to get my kney back fully healed.

702
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 2: So you go through all of these ups and flows, Man,

703
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 2: you get to your home, like you said, you go

704
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 2: through this injury that already makes you feel like you've

705
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 2: let a lot of people down, and now you're just

706
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 2: trying to play the game you love. But you keep

707
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 2: getting obscocle after obstacle, surgery after surgery. Four years tim

708
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 2: is a long time. That is an extremely long time

709
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 2: to be away from anything. What keeps you going through

710
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 2: those four years?

711
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: Man? What keeps you going?

712
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 2: Because I'm sure there was plenty of times and opportunities

713
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 2: where you could have just been like, you know what,

714
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 2: I'm gonna hang these cleanse up, this dreams over?

715
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: What kept you going? Man?

716
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 4: What keeps you going? Again?

717
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 5: You go back to where you know, You go back

718
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 5: to where you grew up. And I remember my dad,

719
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 5: you know, he he was a boxer and he he quit.

720
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 5: He was a professional boxer and he was going up

721
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 5: through the ranks and he walked away from it for

722
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 5: various reasons.

723
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 4: He walked away from it. And I'll never forget just.

724
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 5: Growing up, the pain of regret, of walking away from

725
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 5: something that that that you love. And he would always

726
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 5: tell that to me, son, and he said, son, like,

727
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 5: don't you never give up on something that you care about.

728
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 4: You know you're regret it for the rest of your life.

729
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 5: And I would hear that as a young kid, and

730
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 5: I would see it, you know, his frustration of quitting

731
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 5: or giving up on something that he cared about. And

732
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 5: I didn't know that I would need it twenty something

733
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 5: years later as as an adult, as I'm going through

734
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 5: and battling one of the hardest, most difficult times in

735
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 5: my life. So Number one, I thought about you asked

736
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,959
Speaker 5: me who where my inspiration came from? But where did

737
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 5: that come from? It was my father. I went back

738
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 5: to my father, and I remember and I said, you

739
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 5: know what, man, maybe this was for this time. And

740
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 5: I know what that felt like as a dad and

741
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 5: as a man, to live a life with regret. And

742
00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 5: I don't want to live that. I don't want to

743
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 5: live the life of regret. So I thought about that,

744
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 5: and then I thought about man, look, what if if

745
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 5: there's some way. I thought about my kids. I thought

746
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 5: about if I could if there's some way I could

747
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 5: do this, how would it impact and change lives? How

748
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 5: would it impact and change lives and my family's life

749
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 5: and trajectory. And it was worth it was worth that

750
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 5: risk for me, and the reward was worth that risk.

751
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 5: So for me, I was all in for as long

752
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 5: as I could tolerate. I was all in.

753
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 2: So, Tim, you mentioned the reward being worth the risk.

754
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 2: So after that four years, you do make it back

755
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 2: to the NFL, you get to the Saints, when you're

756
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 2: in it, when you're back in the NFL, did you

757
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 2: still feel like that reward was worth the risk.

758
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 5: Than percent man th perh some of the you know,

759
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 5: how many guys came up to me afterwards and just

760
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 5: you know, wanted to know and just part of that

761
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 5: story and just wanted to understand, but more importantly forget

762
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 5: for anybody else, for yourself. You know, when you do

763
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 5: something that you feel like you probably like you're having

764
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 5: what's in and you don't know how much you have

765
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 5: left you and it's just like it was definitely probably

766
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 5: the hardest thing that I could have ever endured and done,

767
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 5: and it just increases your capacity, your confidence. You're all

768
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 5: these things where it's like, man, okay, I made it

769
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 5: growing up and getting here, but then it was all

770
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 5: taken away and then I got back right. Like it's

771
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 5: just a different mindset where you're just like, man, you

772
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 5: know what, number one, you got a different perspective of

773
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 5: life on things can things can come, and things can go.

774
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 4: People can come and people can go.

775
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 5: But you know what, that gift that's on the inside

776
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 5: of you and that passionates in the inside of you

777
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 5: and those people who are around you, and that belief,

778
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 5: those are the ingredients that I can get back no

779
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 5: matter what happens. I can find my way back and

780
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 5: I can find purpose again.

781
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 2: Man.

782
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 5: And so that for me, it was like it was

783
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 5: important for me to be able to have that experience

784
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 5: and be able to carry that in the way in

785
00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 5: business and the way I raised my kids and the

786
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 5: way I just carry myself as an individual.

787
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 2: When did you realize and decide, Because clearly, man, your

788
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 2: entire life has been fighting to be on this field,

789
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 2: fighting to play football and rocking that chip on your shoulder.

790
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,280
Speaker 2: When you have those ships on your shoulder, it's really

791
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 2: tough sometimes to let it go. When were you done

792
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 2: with the game. When did you realize, like, hey, okay,

793
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 2: I've done it. I've accomplished what I needed to. Now

794
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 2: it's not me quitting, it's me stepping away. Because, like

795
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 2: you said earlier, your father told you, hey, man, don't

796
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 2: ever give up on nothing. When did you realize it

797
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 2: was okay to let the game go?

798
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:35,959
Speaker 4: Man?

799
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 5: Look, I was sand friend, So I leave New Orleans,

800
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 5: I go to Sant Francis down seventeen, and you know,

801
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,240
Speaker 5: not for the right reasons, you know, pride and ego

802
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 5: as a whole other lesson for a whole other day

803
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 5: of making decisions based on pride and ego or not

804
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 5: not based on the facts. But during training camp, I'm

805
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 5: not feeling great. I'm not feeling right. I'm just unsettled.

806
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 5: But you know, at the time, my two year old

807
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 5: son is there, and my wife had.

808
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 4: Caught herself doing something good.

809
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 5: She had ordered this little jersey for him, and they

810
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 5: were going to celebrate me on the day after the

811
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 5: final cuts and all that kind of stuff. And you know,

812
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 5: I found out I'm getting released, and I'm sitting there

813
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,479
Speaker 5: in the room. I'm trying to make sense. I'm like, man,

814
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 5: I'm trying to make sense of everything, and how did

815
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 5: that get here? You know, it's not supposed to end

816
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 5: this earlier and all that kind of stuff. And my

817
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 5: son she had so she finds out that I got

818
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 5: really released, and so she hides it, you know, she

819
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 5: tried to hide in the corner or something like that.

820
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 4: So I didn't see it.

821
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 5: My two year old son walks in the room, and

822
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 5: I don't know how he found it.

823
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 4: He found it and he went and put it on.

824
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 5: So he walks in the room with this jersey and

825
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 5: I turned and I see it and it's a jersey

826
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 5: that I would have had thought made team. And I

827
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 5: just started crying. Man, I just start crying, man, And

828
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 5: I felt like I had let him down. But then

829
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 5: there was like this shift of it was like a shift,

830
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 5: and there was like a piece that came on me that.

831
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 4: It's time. But I don't have to do it in

832
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 4: this way anymore. You know that my identity does not

833
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 4: have to be defined.

834
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 5: What that meant because as as a kid, the ironic

835
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 5: thing was, if I'm being honest, man, I used to

836
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 5: have a number twenty two forty nine ers jersey being

837
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 5: from California, in my jersey, in my in my in

838
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 5: my in my in my room. My parents are big

839
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 5: on visualization and like, you know, you can see it,

840
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 5: you can be it. And I had a twenty two

841
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 5: jersey and my kid walks in with this twenty two

842
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 5: jersey and it was like a full circle moment and

843
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 5: it just I don't know, it was just a piece

844
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 5: man that came over me of like, Brian, this is

845
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 5: this is it? This is it, man? And so it

846
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 5: just the first first time we're ended prematurely. It was unsettling,

847
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 5: the job didn't feel finished. And while they still didn't

848
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 5: feel finished, there was a piece that came over me. There, Man,

849
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 5: I can I did what I needed to do. I

850
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 5: can now show him something different and start the next

851
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 5: part of that journey. And clearly your next part of

852
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 5: your journey has been a successful When I started this

853
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 5: interview calling you a Washington legend, and I know our

854
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 5: fans they're nuts, right. How can you call somebody a

855
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 5: Washington legend that only played here for a year some change.

856
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: How can you do that? He didn't even play here

857
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: long enough.

858
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 2: But what makes you a Washington legend to me is

859
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 2: what you've done after the fact. Yes, you were drafted

860
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 2: somewhere else. Yes you've played at different teams, but this

861
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: has been home for you, and you were decided to

862
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 2: make it home for you even after the league by

863
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 2: being the senior director of alumni Relations. And to me,

864
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 2: what makes you a Washington legend is Commanders fans. Every

865
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 2: legend you've seen on this show, y'all've loved it. Every

866
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 2: tier you shed with them, every memory you've shared with

867
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,720
Speaker 2: them does not happen if it's not for this brother,

868
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,479
Speaker 2: Tim High Tower right here.

869
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: The way he's able to build.

870
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 2: These relationships with these legs, even guys he's he never

871
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 2: played with, even guys that played fourteen that he didn't

872
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 2: have a long stint on, He's been able to find

873
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 2: a way to bridge the gap between the new generation

874
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 2: people like me that are.

875
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: Coming in and these legends.

876
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,399
Speaker 2: So to me, that's what makes Tim, That's what makes

877
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 2: you Tim a Washington legend. So first things first, I

878
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 2: got to give you a Flowers, bro because my show

879
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 2: Next Man Up has grown because of our relationship, because

880
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 2: of the way we've been able to work together and

881
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 2: get these guys in. So your work that you are

882
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 2: doing for this team go so beyond anything you could

883
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 2: do for the Filly. We talked about how those stats,

884
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 2: you know, eventually everybody breaks records and stuff like that.

885
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 2: But what you're doing right now for this team and

886
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 2: what you're doing for the alumni and ingraining them back

887
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 2: in this culture because you know, a lot of guys left,

888
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 2: a lot of guys turn their backs, but everybody's coming

889
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 2: in now and a big part of that is what

890
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 2: you're doing.

891
00:38:58,200 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 1: Man.

892
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 2: So first things first, got to give you a flowers,

893
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 2: Thank you for that. Now let's talk about it. What

894
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 2: goes in that decision that makes you say I want

895
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 2: to make this home again, I want to stay with

896
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 2: this organization and I want to do stuff for all

897
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 2: the players, all the alumni that have done so much

898
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 2: for the Bergny and Gold.

899
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, first of all, look, I appreciate that.

900
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 5: And number one, you know, the respect that I have

901
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 5: for this game and the respect that I have for

902
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 5: this organization, I don't take that lightly. From the standpoint

903
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 5: of being called a legend, MA and I've talked to

904
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 5: some I've talked to some the legends.

905
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 4: I've talked to the Darryl Green and the Art.

906
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 5: Monks and the Doug Williams and the you know, the

907
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 5: thisements and look.

908
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 4: I had, the list goes on and all these guys,

909
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 4: the list goes on and on.

910
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 5: There's so many in the ninety four years, almost ninety

911
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 5: five years, there's so many of them, and so I understand,

912
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 5: I understand it. Look, there's one thing that they say,

913
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 5: there's levels to this thing, right, and so I get that.

914
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 5: And those guys have earned it, the b Mitches and

915
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 5: the Santana's and the smoke that those guys.

916
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:56,879
Speaker 4: Have earned it every right.

917
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 5: And the second thing I'll say is, Man, I just

918
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 5: the respect that I had for Jason Wright as a

919
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 5: former teammate of mine, knowing what he's enduring.

920
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 4: Look, he opened the door. He gave me the opportunity

921
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 4: to be here.

922
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 5: He saw a vision, and it trusted me to build

923
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 5: something here and to create a vision here. And so

924
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 5: I'll forever be grateful for him and the opportunity that.

925
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 4: He extended for me.

926
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 5: And the last thing I'll say is, look, as I

927
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 5: told you, man, the way that it went down, I

928
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 5: felt like I let the city down, and I did

929
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 5: not want that to be the legacy that I left here.

930
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 5: The respect that I had for this organization for the city.

931
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 5: I didn't want that to be the legacy that I

932
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 5: left here man, and so to get a chance, and

933
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 5: when I had the opportunity to come back here, I

934
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 5: wanted to be something bigger than to what I said earlier,

935
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 5: bigger than myself, right, And so seeing an opportunity, how

936
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 5: can I help celebrate and pay homage and reconnect and

937
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 5: restore pride for these guys and their families for everything

938
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 5: that they have put and left on this field, the

939
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,479
Speaker 5: commerce stations. The first few months, guy after guy after god,

940
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 5: they felt disconnected, they felt disrespected, they felt dishonored, they

941
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 5: felt all these things that became personal for me and

942
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 5: knowing my own personal experience transitioning out, but more importantly

943
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 5: this for this franchise, it was a no brainer to

944
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 5: take this opportunity, but more so's I want to make

945
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 5: sure that I leave this situation and lead this franchise

946
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 5: and this community better than better than the way that

947
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 5: I found it.

948
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 2: And you're well on the road, because look at where

949
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 2: this team's at now based off of when I started itself,

950
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 2: when you started here, this team is talking playoffs. This

951
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 2: team is talking you know, conference championships like you know,

952
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 2: things of that nature that just you know you've seen it.

953
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 2: That just wasn't the conversation. A lot of that has

954
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 2: to do with the new ownership and this new coaching staff.

955
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 3: Man.

956
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 2: Now that you get to look at it, you know

957
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 2: as in a lum yourself and you're watching what our

958
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 2: guys are doing on that field, Man, how much pride

959
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 2: do you take and seeing the Commanders being a successful

960
00:41:58,040 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 2: team again?

961
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 5: Man, Look it brings I'm truly it brings joy. I

962
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 5: love to see it and to be a small part. Look,

963
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 5: I haven't touched the football field. I have nothing to

964
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 5: do with with with with DQ and AP and what

965
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 5: they put together in the product. My hats off to them.

966
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 5: They're doing a tremendous job. But the ownership has come

967
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,720
Speaker 5: in and uh and and facilitated and put the pieces around.

968
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 5: I could just say from when I first got here

969
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 5: to see all you know, you look at when when

970
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 5: I was out of the NFL, and you said what

971
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 5: kept you going?

972
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 4: That vision kept you going?

973
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 2: Uh?

974
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 4: Vision and a hope for better tomorrow.

975
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 5: Right, And so we would talk about that four years

976
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 5: ago and changing a culture and and and how even

977
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 5: just alumni played a role in that and understanding that

978
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:47,240
Speaker 5: guys who understood the legacy, what what is the championship legacy?

979
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 5: And having those conversations about how close the Hogs were

980
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 5: and about uh, you know, how how people revered Dug

981
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 5: and how and all these different conversations of what went

982
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:01,760
Speaker 5: into championship pedigree football. To see the city get behind

983
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 5: and all of these things. To be fortunate to be

984
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 5: on one side of it, but then to also have

985
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 5: the opportunity and the privilege to be on the other

986
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 5: side to see it get turned around. I'm just thankful

987
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 5: that I get a chance to witness it and see it.

988
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 5: But as the guy, as the late great Kobe Bryant said,

989
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 5: Job's not finished, man, So my head is still I'm

990
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 5: not celebrated yet, no victory lapse here. I'm excited, and

991
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 5: I know that there's more work to be done.

992
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 2: Job's not finisheds crazy to think there's only a few

993
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 2: games left in the season, man, But what a great

994
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 2: season's been. And Tim, again, thank you for just you know,

995
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 2: working with us, man, and helping us hear from these

996
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 2: legends again and just bring them back into the fold,

997
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 2: because it's so important that to us, so this fan base,

998
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 2: it's just such a big deal man, and what a

999
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 2: story you've had, So I also appreciate you sharing that story,

1000
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 2: such a story that you made it into the story

1001
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 2: you wrote your own books.

1002
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: That's how I want to end. Tim.

1003
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 2: Your book came out a few years back. What inspires

1004
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 2: you to put everything you've been through? Because that takes

1005
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,919
Speaker 2: a lot of vulnerability, right, put all the things you've

1006
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 2: been to put in a book and share with the world.

1007
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 2: What inspires that?

1008
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 5: Look I having so many questions after I came back

1009
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 5: and just people asking. One thing that I learned was,

1010
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 5: you know, it's bigger than football, man. Football was a

1011
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 5: game that we played. It was a game that I

1012
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 5: dedicated myself to. But the thing that when I was

1013
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 5: outside of football, I had a chance to really connect

1014
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 5: with the real world and people who are going through

1015
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 5: everyday challenges health, family, personal, financial, And the thing that

1016
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 5: the questions that that that that was true for everyone

1017
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 5: was how do I know what's worth fighting for? How

1018
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 5: do I know when to hold on when the phone on,

1019
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 5: what relationship to fight for, when the job, whatever that

1020
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 5: may be. And there were some lessons and some principles.

1021
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 5: When I was in my time, I literally was searched

1022
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 5: and I'm reading articles, and I'm watching podcasts and listening

1023
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 5: to podcasts and YouTube videos. And I searched for inspiration

1024
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 5: everywhere that I could, and study people who were overcoming

1025
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:59,240
Speaker 5: insurmountable odds just to gain the hope and the vision

1026
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 5: and that I for me to get through to the

1027
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 5: next day. And so I said, who am I to

1028
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 5: not share some of the lessons that I learned in

1029
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 5: my time? And if it can help a few people, great,

1030
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 5: but I at least owe it to leave it and

1031
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 5: put it in paper and put it in document, and

1032
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 5: hopefully it can help somebody else if they're going through

1033
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 5: something in their life. I believe our story should all

1034
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 5: inspire each other, right, and we should share our stories.

1035
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 4: And so for me, it was.

1036
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 5: Part of a series of conversations with different individuals, and

1037
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 5: it was Hey, it's time put it, put it there

1038
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 5: and let people use it as they choose.

1039
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 2: If that is not the mindset of a legend, I

1040
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 2: don't know what is. And forget Washington legend. We're calling

1041
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 2: you a D and V legend. Man came up through here,

1042
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 2: came back, then came back again, and stayed in a

1043
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 2: whole new role for us. Man, Thank you for everything

1044
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 2: you do. Tim, thank you for taking the time comeman

1045
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 2: this family. I hit Tim up maybe about like twenty

1046
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 2: minutes before in I you started saying I needed somebody

1047
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 2: to wrap with and he did that vs So so, Tim,

1048
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 2: I appreciate you always being a phone call at text away.

1049
00:45:59,320 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: Brother.

1050
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 2: You for everything you do, man and again a true

1051
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 2: d m V legend. Commanders family, our Next Man Up,

1052
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 2: Tim hot Tower, Brother, I appreciate you, man, appreciate you man,

1053
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 2: command this family. We hope you enjoyed this week's episode

1054
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 2: of Next Man Up. Remember you could watch older episodes

1055
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 2: all through the Commander's YouTube page or stream the audio

1056
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 2: wherever you get your podcasts. I am your host, Brian

1057
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 2: corpor Junior and this is Next Man Up. Catch y'all

1058
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 2: next Friday.