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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight. From coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: We are back with Randall Carlson, master builder, architectural designer, teacher, geometrician,

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Speaker 2: geological explorer, and podcast host. And we're talking about well,

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Speaker 2: the Great Year. So let me just see if I

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Speaker 2: can sum this up to make sure I understand it.

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Speaker 2: So we've got the twenty six thousand year cycle, which

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Speaker 2: is called the Great Year. And this twenty six thousand

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Speaker 2: years is the completion of the procession of the equinoxes

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Speaker 2: as it works through all twelve of the zodiac signs,

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Speaker 2: and each zodiac sign or worked it takes twenty one

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Speaker 2: hundred and sixty years to get through that procession. That's

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Speaker 2: a month, that's a cosmic month, twenty one hundred and

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Speaker 2: sixty years. There are twelve months, twelve zodiac signs, so

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Speaker 2: twenty one hundred and sixty times twelve is twenty six thousand.

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Speaker 2: That's the great cosmological calendar. And you were talking about Solon,

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Speaker 2: this ancient Greek political leader who lived before Plato. He

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Speaker 2: goes on a field trip and he's speaking with the

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Speaker 2: Egyptians and they're telling him, Solon, you Greeks, you have

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Speaker 2: no concept. You have no memory of what has gone

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Speaker 2: on before. You know you're living in a particular season,

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Speaker 2: but you have no knowledge of what came before or

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Speaker 2: what is to come? Do I have that kind of

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Speaker 2: right you?

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Speaker 3: Really? Yeah, that was a great summary. I think you

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Speaker 3: did a great job, Richard, as far as where we've

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Speaker 3: gotten so far with it, And why don't we pick

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Speaker 3: up with Plato where we left off. There's a few

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Speaker 3: more quotes here that would be good. We concluded before

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Speaker 3: the break with the his reference to a declination of

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Speaker 3: the bodies moving around the earth and in the heavens declination.

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Speaker 3: You know from the word declination it comes from decline

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Speaker 3: to descend downwards. And there are actually traditions that Plato

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Speaker 3: was most likely referring to a comet here, and there's

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Speaker 3: traditions about the myth that he referenced, the myth of

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Speaker 3: Theton also being a comet. And I don't know how

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Speaker 3: you may familiar you or the listeners might be with

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Speaker 3: the myth of Theayton, but it was essentially in a

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Speaker 3: thirty second version, he was a son of Helios, the

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Speaker 3: son God, but by a mortal woman. But he did

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Speaker 3: not know who his father was. And so he's at

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Speaker 3: school every day and all of the all of his school,

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Speaker 3: the peers at school are always bragging about how great

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Speaker 3: expressing his disappointment that he kid doesn't know who his

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Speaker 3: father is. So finally his mother decides to reveal to him, well,

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Speaker 3: your father is none other than the Son God. And

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Speaker 3: to make a long story short, he eventually manages to

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Speaker 3: go to find his father, the Son, and then he

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Speaker 3: and then he goes to the Palace of the Sun,

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Speaker 3: and he manages to convince his father to let him

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Speaker 3: drive the chariot, his father's chariot, and of course there

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Speaker 3: are four great mighty steeds that drive the chariot, and

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Speaker 3: when young Phaeton gets there on the rains, the steeds

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Speaker 3: immediately knew that he wasn't going to be able to

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Speaker 3: control them, and after flying through the signs of the Zodiac,

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Speaker 3: they decline off the Zodiac and descend to Earth, and

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Speaker 3: in the process they set the Earth on fire. The

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Speaker 3: chariot as it descends to Earth sets the Earth on fire,

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Speaker 3: and eventually the oceans start to boil, and Posidon entreats

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Speaker 3: Zeus to intercede and do something about it. So Zeus

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Speaker 3: sisters symbolized by the Heliades in the myth and in

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Speaker 3: and their tears fall to earth and cause the great deluge.

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Speaker 2: So this myth is, yeah, this myth is explaining how,

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Speaker 2: According to mythology, this was explained by you know, the chariots.

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Speaker 3: But so they were expended. Yeah, that's it. I mean,

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Speaker 3: that is the essence of the myth. And then but

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Speaker 3: to me, one of the interesting things is clearly a

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Speaker 3: And the second thing is this the correlation of the

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Speaker 3: may have been at least three gigantic flood episodes that

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Speaker 3: And in fact, Plato kind of goes on he's talking

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Speaker 3: who is our never failing savior, saves and deliver us,

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Speaker 3: delivers us. When on the other hand, the gods purge

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Speaker 3: the earth with a deluge of water. Among you, herdsmen

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Speaker 3: the fact that most of the ancient cities were established

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Speaker 3: the things that happened, of course, at the end of

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Speaker 3: sea levels rose as much as four hundred feet maybe more.

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Speaker 3: And so whatever human habitations or settlements or colonies or

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Speaker 3: or so, they're now under four hundred, three hundred to

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Speaker 3: four hundred feet of water.

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Speaker 3: So that's one way that ancient civilizations could be destroyed

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Speaker 3: most of the during these great transition episodes like this

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Speaker 3: You're talking about a major transition type of event.

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Speaker 2: Is going to be flooding.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, yeah, Because here's what's happening Richard. The estimates

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Speaker 3: are is that there were at least six million cubic

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Speaker 3: And typically what will happen in northern climates now that

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Speaker 3: hydrological cycle. Well, it's kind of a close system.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of a close system that the amount of

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Speaker 2: water on the Earth is kind of constant. It's either

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Speaker 3: You got the picture exactly, Richard, That's exactly it. So

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Speaker 3: ocean level is rising. Right, And so it's almost as

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Speaker 3: if the planet has got this built in cycle. It's breathing.

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Speaker 3: The ocean levels rise and fall, the ice masses expand

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Speaker 2: Right, these are seasons. We have the four seasons in

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Speaker 2: have four seasons. But cosmologically speaking, just as we have

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Interestingly, Richard, the last ice age lasted about thirteen

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Speaker 3: This warming event caused an accelerated melting of the ice sheets,

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Speaker 3: at eleven thousand, six hundred years ago, and that is

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Speaker 3: also the date that coincides with a major global climate

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Speaker 3: what's really interesting about that date? And anybody can look

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Speaker 3: the date given is right at eleven thousand, six hundred

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Speaker 3: And in the two dialogues, Plato, you know, speaking for

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Speaker 3: the Mediterranean. But here's the interesting thing he talks about.

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Speaker 3: This great war comes to an end, and then there's

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Speaker 3: a great cataclysm that causes an extreme erosional event on

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Speaker 3: and catastrophic subsidence of Atlantis. Now, the interesting thing about

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Speaker 3: that is this occurred as they saying nine thousand years earlier. Well,

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Speaker 3: to Egypt was about six hundred BC. So you can

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Speaker 3: onto eleven thousand, six hundred years ago, the very date.

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Speaker 3: It's like Plato is giving us the date, and we

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Speaker 3: now know that there was a very extreme melting event

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Speaker 3: associated with a rapid sea level rise. And in my

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Speaker 3: Atlantis I have for those who are interested in diving

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Speaker 3: deeper into the Atlantis thing on my website, you can

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Speaker 3: go and find about a nine hour, two part lecture

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Speaker 3: that I have given with all the quotes from Plato,

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Speaker 3: the graphs of the science to try to show that

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Speaker 3: try to give. What I've done is I've tried to

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