Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black
Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio in partnership with Showtime. M
Speaker 1: hm hm welcome back All the Smoke. It's good bro
Speaker 1: once again a song man. We got a real special
Speaker 1: guest today, Man Man and many hats Uh, someone that
Speaker 1: Jack and I both looked up to kind of shaped
Speaker 1: our teams in early twenties. Man. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: Dame Dash, I appreciate you, my brother, thank you for
Speaker 1: your time. Excuse I was chewning on poor jelly beans
Speaker 1: because you know I'm diabetic and my my blood sugar.
Speaker 1: I saw it was good low, Okay, I'm not getting ruled. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The last time that happened, I was on Mike Tyson.
Speaker 1: It was like, you keep chewing. I'm like, bro, my
Speaker 1: my my blood shop. I gotta n k. Yeah you go.
Speaker 1: You know, snoop lay down for two hours right there
Speaker 1: all day. So you're good. Do what you want, do
Speaker 1: whatever you need to do. I sho't want to be,
Speaker 1: you know, talking to my muffle um. Still doing a
Speaker 1: lot fatherhood obviously, but what is it. What's the day
Speaker 1: in the life like for Dame Dash these days? Well,
Speaker 1: I definitely opened my eyes and see my my little
Speaker 1: boy and my uh my wife rout, how does your
Speaker 1: little one? You know, it's at that month thing. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, sixteen and seventeen months, one of those. But um,
Speaker 1: you know that's what I've been fighting for. You know, publicly,
Speaker 1: you've been seeing me fight to see my children. And
Speaker 1: it's funny sometimes people fight while they're triggered to see
Speaker 1: their kids, but when they get to see their kids,
Speaker 1: they don't. But I'm actually able with this relationship to
Speaker 1: raise my and it's the first time and it's been
Speaker 1: everything that I dreamed it to being more. And what
Speaker 1: I'm finding is, you know, a child observes what's in
Speaker 1: front of him. My son, you just watching me all day.
Speaker 1: So it's important that you're the person. If you want
Speaker 1: your child to act like you, then you gotta be
Speaker 1: in front of him. You know these things you can
Speaker 1: like children are teaching them is that's not the language
Speaker 1: they learned from so much observing. That's how I learned,
Speaker 1: and that's how children learned. So I have to make
Speaker 1: sure always with any of my children moving forward. And
Speaker 1: I had to get this at fifty. I'm starting late
Speaker 1: that I have the time and I can art detect
Speaker 1: my life so that my child can watch me and
Speaker 1: you can pick up the cool ship and not hear
Speaker 1: about the bad ship from someone that's been hurt by me.
Speaker 1: How is it? Though? Again you said doing it at fifty,
Speaker 1: I don't really believe that I'm fifty, you know, like
Speaker 1: that young lady around like there, uh, Dominique, she's younger
Speaker 1: than me, but she acts like she's seventy five. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying no, I just be like, my mentality isn't
Speaker 1: so young. It's like it's just a more evolved version
Speaker 1: of who I've been, and the proof of concepts has
Speaker 1: made me real confident in who I've been so life
Speaker 1: and fifty is like, I feel like I'm more evolved
Speaker 1: twenty five year old, you know what I mean? I'm
Speaker 1: having more fund than I've ever had. You know, when
Speaker 1: you're young, you have dreams that haven't come true yet.
Speaker 1: You know, after you become fifty and a lot of
Speaker 1: your dreams have become realized, we get to enjoy them.
Speaker 1: So it happens when your dreams come true, is you
Speaker 1: have more dreams. So right now I have other dreams
Speaker 1: that are coming true. So what's happening for me now
Speaker 1: was what I was dreaming about, I'd say about twenty
Speaker 1: years ago. But now that those have realized themselves, the
Speaker 1: dreams that I'm dreaming now that are actually coming into
Speaker 1: fruition or or big, they're actually scared because they've never
Speaker 1: been done before. There's more elements now, there's more dimensions
Speaker 1: to play with because you know you've been giving me.
Speaker 1: We've got a chance to kind of chop it up
Speaker 1: the past few weeks through a mutual business partner and
Speaker 1: the ship you've been download me with him, Like damn,
Speaker 1: we got definitely gotta sit out and just I'm gonna
Speaker 1: bring pen and paper and just talk. I can't wait,
Speaker 1: but go were getting some of that a little bit later. Yeah,
Speaker 1: ship is definitely real. Let's talk about your upbringing. Born
Speaker 1: in New York, Hall m right. I was born in
Speaker 1: the Bronx, raised in East Halem. But I would say
Speaker 1: I made my bones in Hall you made your bones
Speaker 1: and hallm So. I'm from a hundred ninth and first,
Speaker 1: which is Loving nine. But if you asked me what
Speaker 1: with your block, I would say it's a hundred forty
Speaker 1: and Lynx hustle mentality. When get there from the environment,
Speaker 1: on the set. You know, in hall m it's about
Speaker 1: getting money and looking good while you getting you know,
Speaker 1: for me, it wasn't so much about being tough, it
Speaker 1: was about being fled. I just wanted the girls to
Speaker 1: like me. And you know, I wanted to fly his cars,
Speaker 1: which I was able to get, and I wanted to
Speaker 1: be able to control my own destiny. Like for me,
Speaker 1: it was like I was coming up where to survive
Speaker 1: you had to live by a certain cold. We got
Speaker 1: to be cut from a different cloth for a certain cloth,
Speaker 1: which has been honored before. Everything like unwritten things were laws.
Speaker 1: If you didn't buy buy them, you were a sucker.
Speaker 1: And I just came from a family and the bloodline
Speaker 1: that you know, we just never was suckers. And coming
Speaker 1: out of that world and surviving it, it makes it
Speaker 1: hard to ever let a sucker of a plate, especially
Speaker 1: a sucker from another culture. M I just can't happen.
Speaker 1: What was your first hustle coming up as against him
Speaker 1: super Flowers mhm. I mean for me, it was selling
Speaker 1: crack and the baller shop. I was selling weed in
Speaker 1: the back of that baller shop. I was a teenager.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize the karmic repercussions of that, but it
Speaker 1: definitely taught me how to brand, how to have a crew,
Speaker 1: how to prepare for the future it and just how
Speaker 1: to be understanding that you can't ask anyone to do
Speaker 1: something that you're not prepared to do yourself, and you
Speaker 1: have to lead by example. And also it's important to
Speaker 1: make your crew rich because that's what protection and that's
Speaker 1: what you should want. Anyway, Unfortunately, your mom passed from
Speaker 1: an asthma attack when you was fifteen. Mentally, what did that?
Speaker 1: What did that do to a fifteen ye old man?
Speaker 1: Trying to figure it out? Makes your a beast, makes
Speaker 1: your savage because now you have no fear when the
Speaker 1: number one thing you're scared of happens and you you
Speaker 1: could deal with it. You're no longer scared of anything.
Speaker 1: So it just made me feel less and you know,
Speaker 1: definitely became something I wasn't too afraid of because it
Speaker 1: was like ship, if I get killed, I'd be with
Speaker 1: my mom's MD. At the same time, you was diagnosed
Speaker 1: with top one daughter beat diabetes, which is why I'm eating.
Speaker 1: How do you cope with the adjustments with that and
Speaker 1: being the hustler that you are, so all I know
Speaker 1: what the option. It's my normal, so I don't know
Speaker 1: any other life. You've always got jelly beans with you always.
Speaker 1: It's in case to show it, just like you know
Speaker 1: what happens prime time, maybe happening catch your bucket, what
Speaker 1: you get lower. I gotta deal with it, but I'm
Speaker 1: not mad at it. Those those cards that wore dealt
Speaker 1: to me are better than most. So all I do
Speaker 1: is compare what's happened to me to others and how
Speaker 1: I'm dealing with it. I mean, that's the challenge. Life
Speaker 1: is a test. That's how you deal with things. Nobody
Speaker 1: goes through life without a challenge. Doesn't happen that in
Speaker 1: this vibration? Is it true you sent yourself to board school?
Speaker 1: We're happening? Was I went to the boys club, Mr Box,
Speaker 1: and there will be a scholarship for boarding school. I
Speaker 1: went for like the summer, and I was too homesick
Speaker 1: before my mother died. Well, my mother died, and my
Speaker 1: friends went from just you know, fighting and jumping dudes
Speaker 1: that starting to kill you know again, to do what
Speaker 1: everyone else is doing. And I was like, there's no
Speaker 1: way around it. This is what I'm gonna have to
Speaker 1: be doing. So I put myself and said it might
Speaker 1: be time to exercise that option. I have a bad temper,
Speaker 1: so I left, and you know, I went to boarding school.
Speaker 1: So I put myself in boarding school to a scholarship.
Speaker 1: South Camp played basketball, across in football at the varsity level.
Speaker 1: But you was like, what's your game? Like every I'm
Speaker 1: good at everything, man, everybody from hall im say they're
Speaker 1: good at basketball. Bro Cam Oh, I'm just saying back
Speaker 1: then you said it was nice. I was just nice
Speaker 1: to that. I could adjust, you know, I could do.
Speaker 1: I did my job. I used to beat and I
Speaker 1: knew how to beat. Somebody. Pause. You could be better
Speaker 1: than me, but I can still went to jump of handles,
Speaker 1: all of it. You know. Also mentally I might just remember.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Slice, you would half with
Speaker 1: his mind of it. I like it. You started managing
Speaker 1: groups the Future Sound and the Original Flavor. How did
Speaker 1: you get into that space? Well, Huston didn't seem sustainable,
Speaker 1: but I didn't want to work at that point. I
Speaker 1: couldn't do anything traditional and you know that situation paying
Speaker 1: the full I was, you know, I was right there
Speaker 1: for that. I was really affected by that. So I
Speaker 1: was like seeing rich get you know that happened. I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm out of this ship. So I just
Speaker 1: chose something that I thought where it wouldn't feel like work.
Speaker 1: Howld you at this point the thing paid the fall.
Speaker 1: I was sixteen, he was in the middle of I
Speaker 1: was right here. What was the music scene? I don't
Speaker 1: even remember that time. There was playing at the rooftop
Speaker 1: and when Nick was playing the Cars whatever Brushy b
Speaker 1: was playing. It was old school, new school you know,
Speaker 1: ar B rock m everything. You know everything, Doug you fresh.
Speaker 1: I was into a lot of rock and roll to remember,
Speaker 1: went to boarding school. I'm in a rock band right now,
Speaker 1: the Black Guns. When did you fall in love with
Speaker 1: music at that time? Always? Music has always been an escape, always,
Speaker 1: so the reason why I used to listen to rock
Speaker 1: and rolls because I didn't want to hear about the
Speaker 1: street because I was in it every day. I hate
Speaker 1: hearing about the street to this day. I don't really
Speaker 1: listen to hip hop in the car. I listen to
Speaker 1: rock and roll and other things live instrumentation. I don't
Speaker 1: want to hear about the things I've been trying to escape.
Speaker 1: It's traumatizing me because it makes me visualize things that
Speaker 1: are not positive, and that's when you start to actually
Speaker 1: feel not positive, and that's when things start to realize
Speaker 1: themselves not positive. The visual is a very important power
Speaker 1: that we don't understand. You know, things happen in dimensions.
Speaker 1: For me levels, I have to think about it first clearly,
Speaker 1: then I have to put it on paper. Then I
Speaker 1: have to make it happen. If what I'm visualizing is
Speaker 1: a negative, then that's the next level is going to
Speaker 1: be negative. So I can't have anything distracted me from
Speaker 1: a pure visualization of a dream that I'm trying to
Speaker 1: get to. I can only think about the w and
Speaker 1: anytime I'm thinking about other people's trauma, it makes me
Speaker 1: visualize their trauma. And then that's the energy that goes
Speaker 1: into my dreams. And then that's when the dream can
Speaker 1: turn into a nightmare. You know. That's where fear comes in,
Speaker 1: and fear stops you from doing things. So I don't
Speaker 1: ever want to have to think about something that I
Speaker 1: might be afraid of to make me stop doing something.
Speaker 1: I'd rather keep that real estate for the perfect wind.
Speaker 1: There is no loss. There's a ying and the yang,
Speaker 1: and everything a dark and the light I can only
Speaker 1: see the light. The dark is only for me to
Speaker 1: learn from and not to stay away from. Everything happens
Speaker 1: to me that's dark is only for something like to happen.
Speaker 1: That's the only way I see things. You know, there's
Speaker 1: battles that you may lose just to win the war.
Speaker 1: So you know, a learning experience to me is never
Speaker 1: a loss. It just means come back a little better.
Speaker 1: That means my sugar still look hollow? Is it just curious? Okay,
Speaker 1: go ahead, damn is it? Is it still going down? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, that's uh, that's a little better. I'm doing
Speaker 1: a whole interview during the reaction. That's gangster, and anybody
Speaker 1: that's diabetic with understanding. If you're not, it's just part
Speaker 1: of the gang. That happens. It just you know, it
Speaker 1: be you happened when I'm in front of life interview,
Speaker 1: But that just happened to me while I'm boxing. No,
Speaker 1: the thing about me is I always have to be
Speaker 1: able to push through a fog. That's why I like
Speaker 1: to be high. I like to challenge myself. I work
Speaker 1: out drunk sometimes just to see if I could do it.
Speaker 1: You know, you have to have you know, you're a professional.
Speaker 1: You both know what it is. But I'm a professional
Speaker 1: of what I do too, So it takes this kind
Speaker 1: of standard and discipline. M So the discipline the dream
Speaker 1: and make your dreams happen is a whole other thing. Now,
Speaker 1: with what you just said about the trauma and escaping
Speaker 1: it by listening to different genres of music, knowing that
Speaker 1: you live in a pivotal time? Am I chewing that like?
Speaker 1: I'm glad you said it because they're resonated to me too.
Speaker 1: What's that not listening to what you're trying to escape? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That was deep. Yeah. With that being said, knowing that
Speaker 1: you lived in a pivotal time of history and you
Speaker 1: were one of the the culture pushes in that time,
Speaker 1: does that bother you to reflect back and talk about
Speaker 1: that at times like this? It's it's it's it's if
Speaker 1: it's for gossip purposes, I don't want to talk about
Speaker 1: But if it's like talking about what I've learned from
Speaker 1: things and what I won't do again and that kind
Speaker 1: of thing, and also celebrating the positives in it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: why not? I Mean, it's feathers in my campus, and
Speaker 1: I have a lot of feathers a whole lot of feathers.
Speaker 1: What did you that said? What did you learn Although
Speaker 1: it wasn't directly you, but you were in music at
Speaker 1: the time. What did you learn from the East coast
Speaker 1: West coast? Beef between big and pop beef is corny?
Speaker 1: People die beef is stupid. Us fighting each other is dumb, period,
Speaker 1: Stay the funk away from all of that. Ship. What
Speaker 1: I learned this This is a program that they enjoy
Speaker 1: for entertainments if I can watch. We've got to think
Speaker 1: about it. You know, when laws are passed, laws are
Speaker 1: passed to be made for hundreds of years, not for ten,
Speaker 1: and laws are made fresh off of people having slaves.
Speaker 1: So most of the time those people were like, oh, ship,
Speaker 1: what are we gonna do? It's illegal to have slaves.
Speaker 1: You got a good enough be slaves again. Let's make
Speaker 1: laws that they cannot actually abide by. Keep them broke,
Speaker 1: so they fight each other all day, kill each other,
Speaker 1: go to jail. So that way they can now put
Speaker 1: you back in shackles, back in the cage, and make
Speaker 1: you work for a slave wage instead of master. Let's
Speaker 1: call it warden or CEO, and now it's completely legal.
Speaker 1: It's a program that must be broken. Do you notice
Speaker 1: that courthouses, jail, schools, and hospitals all look exactly the same.
Speaker 1: Do you think that's a coincidence. Why wouldn't the school
Speaker 1: be on like a beach or like some place nice,
Speaker 1: or a hospital be someplace inviting. What rehabilitation can you
Speaker 1: give someone from putting them in a cage and treating
Speaker 1: them like a dog. I don't get it, but I
Speaker 1: do get it. I don't expect my oppressure to give
Speaker 1: me anything, especially freedom. And the thing about freedom is
Speaker 1: it cheap, but it's priceless. At the same time, ask
Speaker 1: someone that doesn't happen. We jeopardize our freedom to survive.
Speaker 1: We hurt each other. We never heard of our op pressent.
Speaker 1: We only hurt each other. It's a program, but I'm
Speaker 1: not mad. I think it's clever, kudos, But I'm mad
Speaker 1: when we are our cognizant of it, and we still
Speaker 1: go right back to the program. So we can say, yo,
Speaker 1: it's dumb for us to fight each other, But as
Speaker 1: soon as something folks with our ego, we back fight
Speaker 1: each other. The same people that always saying peace, as
Speaker 1: soon as you get triggered, they're right back at it.
Speaker 1: You know. I had this conversation on the way there.
Speaker 1: It was just like yo, but I was looking at
Speaker 1: something that happened. I was like, it's hard sometimes to
Speaker 1: understand when you have a lot to lose. You can't
Speaker 1: live by street rules. Street rules are only for survival.
Speaker 1: There's just only so nobody will hurt you. But how
Speaker 1: are you living if you survive, stay the funk away
Speaker 1: from it and only come back to help. M hm,
Speaker 1: that's all. I'm hanging out in a place where I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be triggered and dumb my energy down to survival
Speaker 1: skills when I'm rolling, put myself in jeopardy, be putting
Speaker 1: the cage like everybody else. I'm not. You know, you
Speaker 1: know what it is. You know, we're first generation. We
Speaker 1: know what it is to break a fucking social class.
Speaker 1: It's everything to be broke first and then be rich.
Speaker 1: You love it. Who the funk would jeopardize that? Why
Speaker 1: would I stay on that con creek smelling the stink
Speaker 1: river when I could go to an ocean and just chill.
Speaker 1: I ain't missing nothing. I got it all right. See
Speaker 1: to me, when I see people outside all day, I mean,
Speaker 1: they must really be still needing it when you know
Speaker 1: when you're rolling, you don't go outside, you go on vacation.
Speaker 1: Why you want to be around other people that are
Speaker 1: not rolling all day and be a target that's not
Speaker 1: the standout I want to be. I like to blend in.
Speaker 1: And when I say blending, like to the trees, the rocks,
Speaker 1: to ocean, the chill. Who the funk wants to walk
Speaker 1: around with? Want to open all the time. When do
Speaker 1: we get to relax? It's traumatizing being black. We don't
Speaker 1: even recognize that. You know, my friends as soon as
Speaker 1: they get home from thirty and twenty five therapy and
Speaker 1: go hit the ocean, just see what it looks like
Speaker 1: to live and do something different. You know. I asked
Speaker 1: my friends sometimes that I call them life. I'd be
Speaker 1: like yo and people that get money. I said, let
Speaker 1: me ask you a question. Your whole life name third names,
Speaker 1: six months, six not even a year besides going to jail,
Speaker 1: that you didn't live on the Tri State area like,
Speaker 1: you don't even know what it looks like or feels
Speaker 1: like to live someplace else. You might visit it, but
Speaker 1: other people of the world does not have to live
Speaker 1: like this. There's other ways to live. You're not missing nothing.
Speaker 1: Everyone wants to live in a concentrate to space. You
Speaker 1: spend a lot of money to be next to people
Speaker 1: you don't even know what like. You know, the further
Speaker 1: way you are from people. The cheaper ship is the
Speaker 1: more land you can have, the cheaper it is we chose.
Speaker 1: We choose small spaces for large money to be next
Speaker 1: to more runs makes no sense. It's a program. We're
Speaker 1: all scared we're missing something. Mm hmm. Funny. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know again, it's a good program, but it's over.
Speaker 1: The gig is up. You know what I'm loving about
Speaker 1: our future is they listen, they get information quick, and
Speaker 1: they go with what's logical. Mm hmmm, Yeah, I want
Speaker 1: to stay championship. Yeah. I was cold and the Mother
Speaker 1: five the form formulated Rock Fellow. Many labels didn't give
Speaker 1: a chance to give you all a chance to create
Speaker 1: your own language. I did it anyway, of course, talk
Speaker 1: about the creation of the Rocket Fellow. I was sick
Speaker 1: of nerds telling me what to do. It didn't make
Speaker 1: logical sense. So I was like, yo, we're strong together,
Speaker 1: let's do it on our own. And we did. And
Speaker 1: it was just a bunch of people that were friends
Speaker 1: that enjoyed hustling together, trying to stay out of jail
Speaker 1: and make a lot of money, the same money he
Speaker 1: was making in the street, but if not more. And
Speaker 1: we did that. That's why, you know, sometimes I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, if you Robert Bank, you don't go back outside.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm out of it. You know. It's funny
Speaker 1: because that wasn't the person. Everyone through what I was,
Speaker 1: but I really always was. I'll do anything for my family.
Speaker 1: I'll fight really hard so I can relax. And I've
Speaker 1: been able to make history young so that I could relax. You.
Speaker 1: I was able to walk away from an industry at
Speaker 1: a very young age and do other things. I feel
Speaker 1: completely fulfilled pause and my dreams are really coming true
Speaker 1: on my terms, and culturally, I'm opening doors for the
Speaker 1: people I care about. See. The thing about me is
Speaker 1: when people that I love or hurt, it bothers me.
Speaker 1: And I really love my culture because I know how
Speaker 1: swaggy we are. I know that with the jewel of
Speaker 1: the universe, and we've been tricked to believe that we
Speaker 1: are not, so we don't understand how powerful we are. Again,
Speaker 1: it's a great trick. You control brain well, you control
Speaker 1: muscle by making muscle and not think it's so strong, right, right,
Speaker 1: It makes no sense for the strongest people in the
Speaker 1: university be fighting each other as opposed to everyone else together. Right,
Speaker 1: So of course the vision is key, you know. And
Speaker 1: when I see things and how my cultures treated it
Speaker 1: really bothers me, even though they I don't let nobody
Speaker 1: treat me like that. I've never been a victim of
Speaker 1: racism in my life. I'm the guy that likes to
Speaker 1: bully the bully and oppress the oppressor. How is the
Speaker 1: nerd gonna tell me what the fund to do? How
Speaker 1: it's just my money I need? And in every industry
Speaker 1: I've come in that way, music benchley or he's doing
Speaker 1: customer service for YouTube. Now, I don't think I didn't
Speaker 1: have a part of that. I don't care how much
Speaker 1: money he thinks he got. His legacy is compromised. That's
Speaker 1: what I did. You saw what I did in movies.
Speaker 1: You know. I hate to bring up the Weinstein, but
Speaker 1: I was bombing on him way before me too. Sports
Speaker 1: has always bothered me. It's the number one disrespectful It's
Speaker 1: the example of how we're treated, especially football. You know,
Speaker 1: think about this. You're a professional player, Your lifeline is
Speaker 1: your owner. First of all. I don't like that word.
Speaker 1: Your owner number one, especially in football. So if everybody
Speaker 1: in football that's black walked out of the NFL, there
Speaker 1: is no NFL, right, And your lifeline is your owner.
Speaker 1: And every single owner is white. So they're all sitting
Speaker 1: in their owner's box watching us get concussions while they
Speaker 1: get paid. And there's not one black owner. So to
Speaker 1: a player, that means that's their god they gotta worship.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just an example. And I didn't have
Speaker 1: the bag to get at them, but I do now,
Speaker 1: so I'm getting at them. Starting our own league. Couple
Speaker 1: of them. First one is the Serena League starts this year.
Speaker 1: You know, we have a piece of a team required
Speaker 1: what it called the Tampa Bay Cyclones. Will be televising
Speaker 1: it on Fox Soul and this will be the beginning
Speaker 1: of the change. You know. The problem with us is
Speaker 1: we're always renters. Were never the landlord, were never the owners.
Speaker 1: We always have a pass in the owner's box. I
Speaker 1: don't want to be in a big stadium right now.
Speaker 1: I just want to be the owner. We got to
Speaker 1: own the bricks when you're the landlord. You make the rules.
Speaker 1: We can never make the rules. And I know that
Speaker 1: if we make the rules, it will be better for everybody,
Speaker 1: you know. So for me, when I get on the
Speaker 1: block that I want to take, I try to get it.
Speaker 1: Whoever thinks she's the toughest of the biggest of the
Speaker 1: biggest example Jerry Jones coming at you, Dallas Cowboys, whoever.
Speaker 1: Any NFL you know, owner not play it, you know.
Speaker 1: And what we're gonna do is make sure we got
Speaker 1: black head coaches. I hate the way they treat us there.
Speaker 1: So any coach from the NFL that's black that you
Speaker 1: haven't been recognized, you've got a spot over here and
Speaker 1: you will get paid. Give me a little time, but
Speaker 1: it's happening, and it's gonna happen immediately, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Will make sure that that that that the
Speaker 1: players walk away with some some bricks, some real estate,
Speaker 1: with some therapy, with some literacy. They'll know how to
Speaker 1: own a team. Culture. Team don't know how to do
Speaker 1: whatever they want. There's always like, why aren't they prepared?
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sorry, there's some sort of preparing, but
Speaker 1: the preparing comes with you gotta act a certain way
Speaker 1: to stay. You know, they'll prepare you to stay by
Speaker 1: acting a certain way. A league with their rules that
Speaker 1: we gotta fit in, and it's our sport, so I'm
Speaker 1: getting at them. I'm not going I don't want to
Speaker 1: be in nobody, no slave league, no disrespect to anybody else.
Speaker 1: I want to be in the Freedom League, you know,
Speaker 1: not the Negro League, the we grow league. So I'm
Speaker 1: starting with football, but it's gonna be every sport, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hit you hard in the metaverse and the
Speaker 1: multiverse because I'm savvy there. So this energy isn't anger.
Speaker 1: This is energy for change, and I'm not talking about
Speaker 1: it and complaining. I'm gonna do it. I don't want
Speaker 1: to go to your house. I build my own. We're
Speaker 1: not here for your entertainment. We're here for us to
Speaker 1: be rich black owners. Let's see what that looks like.
Speaker 1: Even in arena football, there ain't no black owners. Even
Speaker 1: in the amateur leagues ain't nowhere. We got to be
Speaker 1: the owners, not the players, or be both. I'm a
Speaker 1: player coach, so even with my network, I don't want
Speaker 1: to be I don't think and like work for somebody
Speaker 1: or and like, I don't want to say slave because
Speaker 1: it offends people. But I can only talking boss. I
Speaker 1: don't want to make a movie. I gotta have a
Speaker 1: movie company. I don't want to make a TV show.
Speaker 1: I gotta have a television network. I don't want a team.
Speaker 1: I want to lead because and if that's because that's
Speaker 1: the case, you know, no one has to come to
Speaker 1: my league. You could stay if you like, but you
Speaker 1: always have the option lead. But you gotta play by
Speaker 1: these rules. We get protected and the value of my
Speaker 1: team is not gonna be the worth of the owner.
Speaker 1: Is gonna be the worth of the players. Period. I'm talking,
Speaker 1: and I gotta plan and and and I ain't talking
Speaker 1: about it. So the first game is in Mississippi, Jacksonville
Speaker 1: and March. First opening game is April two in Tampa, Cyclones.
Speaker 1: It's on. I'm not just talking about it. I don't
Speaker 1: want to fit in. I don't want to fit in.
Speaker 1: I don't want to see it at that table. I
Speaker 1: want to see that all. They gotta sit at our table.
Speaker 1: We just have to present an option. So I bet
Speaker 1: you now there'll be a black owner because I'm saying so,
Speaker 1: y'all better get a black owner out there period than
Speaker 1: that ship. One of the first spaces, uh you came
Speaker 1: and kind of creating the new lane was was in music. Um,
Speaker 1: what was it like the first time you heard j
Speaker 1: he wrapped fast? I was impressed by how fast he wrapped,
Speaker 1: But I didn't you know him. I heard a tape
Speaker 1: of him. But when I got to know him, that's
Speaker 1: what I knew. We could get money. You know, he
Speaker 1: was a stone run off the bat. Now he was
Speaker 1: a booking dude that had on night gas and that
Speaker 1: wasn't um. That wasn't happening like Cares. But the funny
Speaker 1: thing is, now I know why. I didn't know why
Speaker 1: back then. I do know why. Now it was so
Speaker 1: crazy to how things happened. But you know, J's o
Speaker 1: G is a count of Klein, and I didn't notice
Speaker 1: from until years later. I always knew that was Og,
Speaker 1: but he used to hang out with my Og Daniel.
Speaker 1: So Jay was acting like Calvin Klein who was being
Speaker 1: influenced by Daniel my Og. So at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, he was influenced by some Hallom ship not
Speaker 1: even knowing it, and that's where that connection happened. He
Speaker 1: just you know, they're getting no disrespect to Brooklyn cats.
Speaker 1: But at that time, I don't know. Now, I ain't
Speaker 1: been in the street in a while. They rather robbed
Speaker 1: the plug then be friends with them. So he was
Speaker 1: different than the stereotypical Brooklyn cat. And you know, he's
Speaker 1: a little rough around. He had just meeting his style
Speaker 1: and the swag I got. Knew if I gave him
Speaker 1: some a little more hall him, he be right. But
Speaker 1: I took a lot of I took a lot of
Speaker 1: ship from my homeboys and the hallum for fucking with
Speaker 1: Jake for a really long time, a whole really long
Speaker 1: time until the cracked. Actually, why they feel like it
Speaker 1: should have been him because he was a Brooklyn He
Speaker 1: wasn't rapping about hustling, m So we got him to
Speaker 1: more or less move towards the hustling aspect. And when
Speaker 1: he started rapping about hustling, that's when my crew started
Speaker 1: their respect him. So when he had said this rapping
Speaker 1: the battle with DMX, and then that's when my cup
Speaker 1: was fucking. Before that, they wasn't working with him at all.
Speaker 1: But soon as he started rapping fast about to getting
Speaker 1: that money, and then we started getting that money, you know,
Speaker 1: so we were like back then. See now it's a
Speaker 1: little different than wrap. The dudes that are actually rapping
Speaker 1: are the ones that are active, right, real active. So
Speaker 1: I'm glad, honestly, I'm not in rapped anymore right now
Speaker 1: because it would be too dangerous for me. Really, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't want any of my chose to be a rapper
Speaker 1: right now, to be honest. It comes with a bid,
Speaker 1: bid and the body, you know, and and I hate that,
Speaker 1: I really do. And these kids are rock stars too,
Speaker 1: they got so much swag, but they really they're just
Speaker 1: too real, you know. So back then it wasn't really
Speaker 1: the rapper that was doing the work. It was a
Speaker 1: rapper rapping about the people that were doing the work.
Speaker 1: But it was different about Jay was he was a
Speaker 1: rapper that was actually in the mix as well, so
Speaker 1: that so everything we were doing, he would be talking
Speaker 1: about it live. So if he was pulling up with
Speaker 1: five cars and he's talking about it right then and
Speaker 1: there you see in the movie as he's saying it.
Speaker 1: So that's what made it real. But a lot of
Speaker 1: the ideals of it came from my crew. The best
Speaker 1: out so the champagne and all that other stuff that
Speaker 1: was the best out. What happened is was supposed to
Speaker 1: be the best stout my Harlem creup, but they didn't
Speaker 1: want to listen to me, certain people in my crew,
Speaker 1: so it took some book and casts to really listen
Speaker 1: to the hall. Them guys could be candy at times.
Speaker 1: They argue a lot. We argue all day. Our thing
Speaker 1: is to argue, but never really fight each other. As friends.
Speaker 1: We could like if you see me and my crew,
Speaker 1: you were think, like, I don't even know no dame
Speaker 1: lets niggas talked to him like that. But we're a
Speaker 1: crude you know, to this day we call on the
Speaker 1: four our court right now, we start arguing. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, It's the same ship, you know, and
Speaker 1: I love it. You know, I love it. I actually
Speaker 1: cometimes called my crew just to hear, just kind of
Speaker 1: want to be real and you know, have a level conversation.
Speaker 1: When do you feel like the height of Rockefeller was
Speaker 1: when it was dismembered? Mm hmm. The end of Rocketfeller
Speaker 1: was the height of it. That's why I was so
Speaker 1: confused about it. I was like, what the fuck? You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like Rocket Feller will still be rolling,
Speaker 1: but you know. You know again, my feelings on that
Speaker 1: don't matter at this point, and we've all turned out
Speaker 1: to be great, so you know, this is what it is.
Speaker 1: One last thing I want to touch on the space.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite albums, um Jay's First Reasonable Doubt.
Speaker 1: That was the realest one. You know, again, we were
Speaker 1: still active at the time. It was like that was
Speaker 1: us talking about trying not to be active anymore. That
Speaker 1: was the last record that was made while we were active.
Speaker 1: We were active after that. We were too hot, Like literally,
Speaker 1: our friends would get picked up coming off planes, are
Speaker 1: going to shows. They were you know, at some point
Speaker 1: I had to tell my friends, don't even if you
Speaker 1: still active, don't even come around. I'm hot. We got
Speaker 1: hot relatively fast in a lot of ways. Recently, Jay
Speaker 1: has shouted you out in a speech at this Rocket
Speaker 1: Roll Hall of Fame, thanked you after all you guys
Speaker 1: have been through um years later. How did that make
Speaker 1: you feel? It was cool, it was good for the culture.
Speaker 1: I was happy for the culture. I was happy about
Speaker 1: how happy it made so many people. How did it
Speaker 1: make you feel? It made me happy that everyone was
Speaker 1: so happy. You know, I'm usually worried about my culture
Speaker 1: so I was like, again, I think that because number one,
Speaker 1: J and I never had a beef. Number one, it
Speaker 1: never it just got made up, or maybe it was
Speaker 1: just leveraged to certain things could happen. And I was
Speaker 1: always confused about that. I'd be like, why did you
Speaker 1: keep saying we're beefing? But I guess you know, it
Speaker 1: was a move. It was a chess move when I
Speaker 1: wasn't expecting. So there was always a business thing for Jay.
Speaker 1: He just said, why pay two other people when I
Speaker 1: could just pay one? And that was a vice he
Speaker 1: got from le Or and guys like Steve Stout, and
Speaker 1: he went with that. And you know, on a business level,
Speaker 1: could have been the right move. But on the friendship level,
Speaker 1: I didn't appreciate. And I don't really care so much
Speaker 1: about this. The friendship me always meant more to me
Speaker 1: than anything. It was beyond his friends. So it was hurtful,
Speaker 1: you know, the business was hurtful. You gotta remember something.
Speaker 1: It was my choice. And that's what people don't understand.
Speaker 1: They asked me not to leave, They mean not to
Speaker 1: leave any of those things. You know. The thing that
Speaker 1: happened with Jay was that he didn't want big is
Speaker 1: to be a part of it anymore, and I wouldn't
Speaker 1: rock with that. So he went his way and me
Speaker 1: and Biggs win ours and how big is you know?
Speaker 1: Seems like he's back over there and I have no
Speaker 1: problems with that. But that's what happened, period. That's it.
Speaker 1: You could ask Biggs and you can ask Jay, may
Speaker 1: not get an answer, but that that was what happened.
Speaker 1: Just was like, yoh, I can't do that the Biggs,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Period? And I was like, yo,
Speaker 1: we could do something different, but Rockefeller is always supposed
Speaker 1: to be us three, no matter what. So he wanted
Speaker 1: to leave Rocket Feller. I was like, cool, but I'm not.
Speaker 1: I can't. I'm not. I'm not gonna leave it because
Speaker 1: I have a responsibility and obligation to it. I presented
Speaker 1: something to people that believed in me, but I could
Speaker 1: never do it without Biggs. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you four artists, and that's probably a
Speaker 1: hall of thing. Yeah, I lemtna give you four artists,
Speaker 1: your first impression of each of them first camera. I
Speaker 1: didn't know Cameron as an artist. First, I knew him
Speaker 1: as a friend. He was like a younger dude that
Speaker 1: was to think as Cameron was super nice young you
Speaker 1: know when you're young and you're nice and basketball. I
Speaker 1: remember he had like when the m v P A rocket,
Speaker 1: like fifteen, So he was the cool young dude. And
Speaker 1: I used to used to be with me, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, because I like, you know, just like
Speaker 1: there'll be older cats that like me. He was that
Speaker 1: guy with me, you know what I mean. So he
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I don't want to ever call
Speaker 1: him my little man, but he was the younger cat
Speaker 1: that I was like, I like when he's how he's
Speaker 1: moving and you keep them with you. So it was
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. And they used to make me
Speaker 1: laugh because there's perspective when things was a generation younger.
Speaker 1: So I'm paused and they paused and no, homo, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But you need it though, you
Speaker 1: need that younger perspective and outlook. Well, the thing is
Speaker 1: the thing our Cam at that time was he never
Speaker 1: had a problem with asking for guidance. And he was
Speaker 1: like me in the sense that something hall m stunting
Speaker 1: is supposed to inspired, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: I'm I just was stunting. I was so young with
Speaker 1: having a certain kind of cash and I caught you know,
Speaker 1: I was just that that dude at a young age,
Speaker 1: and he loved it. He didn't hate it. He'd be like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm working with that, and I would see him do it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So he was he was
Speaker 1: just cut from that stunt the cloth. I mean, look
Speaker 1: what dips that turned into. Its just stunting, you know,
Speaker 1: number one stunners maybe of all time. I think I
Speaker 1: don't think they definitely get that. No matter what, you
Speaker 1: can't say that they weren't the number one stunners they
Speaker 1: I think. I was looking back and I was like,
Speaker 1: they really used to go hard on the stunt. Really
Speaker 1: uh beings, whether it be friendship or music. What about it? First?
Speaker 1: Where you awesome? I thought he was really tough, you know.
Speaker 1: I was like, he's a tough rapper, but he could
Speaker 1: really rap. So I liked it. You know again, it's
Speaker 1: like when the thing that I like to do for
Speaker 1: for me, rap to me wasn't about who was the
Speaker 1: best rapper was who was telling the truth. So we
Speaker 1: weren't allowed to lie in our raps. Exaggerations weren't. It
Speaker 1: was no bueno. So you can't be a rapper talking
Speaker 1: about you got this money in these bodies and you
Speaker 1: never did none of that ship to us. You know.
Speaker 1: That's why I like certain battles. I'd be like, ah,
Speaker 1: they're cheating. They're not telling the truth, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. If you're gonna say something about it, nigga,
Speaker 1: say the truth and then make that what is what
Speaker 1: you're using. Use that truth to hurt, not a lie.
Speaker 1: Like I'm not into cheating. I'm about a fair one.
Speaker 1: I'm always about a fair one. I don't respect anything
Speaker 1: but a fair one. If you cheat, the win you lost.
Speaker 1: I don't fighting and all that. Like if somebody get jumped,
Speaker 1: that's not a fair one. The guns is wacked. You know,
Speaker 1: he should suffice to get your knuckle game and give
Speaker 1: a feeling. If you fight fearlessly, it's not an help. Ever,
Speaker 1: there's nothing, no such thing as a loss if you
Speaker 1: give one hundred fearlessly. Because right arond, you see somebody
Speaker 1: get when two boxes fighting, somebody gets they asked whip,
Speaker 1: but they just like a total Gotti. He would lose
Speaker 1: to just lose fly because he has so much heart.
Speaker 1: So they respected that people. The lord, the wind is
Speaker 1: the heart. The heart is the win, the fearless. That's
Speaker 1: why I might get yo. I can't. I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: at the NFL, and I'm gonna win because I'm gonna try.
Speaker 1: At least I'm gonna sling on them. I gotta try him.
Speaker 1: No one else. I haven't seen nobody try. Then I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't see why they It's like a
Speaker 1: punching bag. You hit the ship, it don't hit back
Speaker 1: in it look tough. You look good on the punching bag.
Speaker 1: With somebody hitting back, it's a little different. We never
Speaker 1: gave them an option. I gotta try. I did it
Speaker 1: in every single thing I've done it. I'm a boutique.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be so corporate because that means
Speaker 1: I gotta deal with so many stupid ask people. I
Speaker 1: want destination. I want't like minded people. I don't want
Speaker 1: to audience it. See. The problem with Wrapped for me
Speaker 1: was when you're rapping about things that you don't necessarily
Speaker 1: do or that aren't positive, the people that celebrated are
Speaker 1: not positive, So you now have to perform and a
Speaker 1: bunch of around the people that you really should be
Speaker 1: trying to get the funk away from my help. I'm
Speaker 1: not trying. Like, if you don't want to go to
Speaker 1: jail or you hate jail, you don't become a CEO.
Speaker 1: I don't want to go back to jail to get
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get. I don't want to go back
Speaker 1: to jail or not. I never went to jail like that.
Speaker 1: You know, we did a couple of skid beids, but
Speaker 1: nothing real. But if I don't want to be around jail,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna take a job in the jail period.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be around criminal minds or a
Speaker 1: certain kind of energy. I'm not gonna make money off
Speaker 1: that energy because then I'm gonna have to have that
Speaker 1: energy around me all the time. For me, the purpose
Speaker 1: of making music was to get the funk out the
Speaker 1: hood period, not go back to the hood. But when
Speaker 1: I do go back, it was to get more people
Speaker 1: out or at least make it better. But at this moment,
Speaker 1: people can move around. You don't have to stay on
Speaker 1: your block your whole life. It could course less other
Speaker 1: places to live because people are scared. It's a program.
Speaker 1: Why do you think they made projects with a bunch
Speaker 1: of playgrounds in places to play to stagnate you. Why
Speaker 1: wouldn't they make a project with like a real good
Speaker 1: school and a garden and all other ships that come
Speaker 1: with it to make you healthy, not to keep you
Speaker 1: entertained and distracted again, it keeps you away from the
Speaker 1: visualization of winning. Even on TV, how how often do
Speaker 1: you see a family, a black family winning. How how
Speaker 1: often do you see them celebrating the press, a rich
Speaker 1: black man winning. They celebrate them kind of falling apart,
Speaker 1: and they celebrate that. They build certain people up just
Speaker 1: so you can watch them not enjoy it. I don't
Speaker 1: wanna get to that level if I can't enjoy it
Speaker 1: for it. I rather have my own newspaper, my own magazine,
Speaker 1: my own television network, my own footballs. I don't need
Speaker 1: the whole I'm good, you know. I don't need to
Speaker 1: see one in ten people a day, and I'm great
Speaker 1: the same ten people. You know. The thing about the
Speaker 1: circle I keep around me is that I'm around them
Speaker 1: so much that I'm not a celebrity to them. I'm
Speaker 1: I get no props, I get yelled at, I get shade,
Speaker 1: I get arguments for it. I mean, it'd be crazy,
Speaker 1: and that's how I like it. You know, you're never
Speaker 1: really you're not famous to your children. You're the least
Speaker 1: famous your children, thank you are the corners at all times, right,
Speaker 1: and that's who you should be around the most. Like
Speaker 1: any job that takes me away from my children, I'm
Speaker 1: not doing. I'm just not. It's not worth it. And
Speaker 1: that's what I learned. I gotta go get money to
Speaker 1: get nine. The kids don't even know about money. All
Speaker 1: the kid knows is that who they love. The currency
Speaker 1: for a child is love, and that should be what
Speaker 1: your currency is as an adult. You keep that energy
Speaker 1: that you if you're saying that money comes before the
Speaker 1: time you spend with your child, and that's what your
Speaker 1: child is gonna think. As an adult, currency is time
Speaker 1: and freedom and love and laughter and health. It's not
Speaker 1: a paper that means nothing. That's why everybody's creating their
Speaker 1: own coins right now. Now. Everyone knows don't mean ship
Speaker 1: and ain't supported by no kind of goal. So why
Speaker 1: would we fucking waste all our time doing that. I'd
Speaker 1: rather have a nice house and the farm and to
Speaker 1: be with my child a day, all day long. Because
Speaker 1: of the pandemic and because of however art detected my
Speaker 1: life literally I've been able to be with my child
Speaker 1: every single fucking day since he's been born. He don't
Speaker 1: know life without me and his mother, and he's never
Speaker 1: happier than when he's touching us both at the same time.
Speaker 1: So you gotta take your child away to see him
Speaker 1: from the person he loves equally as you. He's still
Speaker 1: gonna be feeling pain or her right and that it's
Speaker 1: not that's just not, you know, And I've been through it.
Speaker 1: I I I wish my other children didn't have to
Speaker 1: go through that. I'm tight about that because that's the
Speaker 1: cycle I wasn't able to break, but I broke it.
Speaker 1: Now I kept I'm gonna keep doing until I get
Speaker 1: it right. And you know, I'll be a different kind
Speaker 1: of dad for the rest of them, just based on
Speaker 1: this experience. What what what what am I having? Now?
Speaker 1: It changes? You know I had. I mean, I had
Speaker 1: a messy public situation with my with my twin, the
Speaker 1: mother my twins, and then now to resolve that and
Speaker 1: then start all over again with my youngest ashes. It
Speaker 1: changes you as a person. Like the ability to not
Speaker 1: see when you want to when you're accustomed to just
Speaker 1: seeing him every single day. That should have stuff on. Anybody, listen, man,
Speaker 1: The one thing that will take a man out of
Speaker 1: pocket is not seeing his children. And another thing a
Speaker 1: man doesn't like to do is go into a courtroom
Speaker 1: to have to see the And then imagine a man,
Speaker 1: especially a proud independent man, having a judge tell him
Speaker 1: how he has to see his children. How long you
Speaker 1: get to and no, and and and no therapy for
Speaker 1: that drama that comes with it. Kanye West, Uh, actually
Speaker 1: eighteen years ago college dropped out dropped But before that,
Speaker 1: thoughts on him? When you met him? Did you see
Speaker 1: it in them motto right away? Mm hmm. I didn't
Speaker 1: see that one coming. Pause. I thought he could make
Speaker 1: good beats, just like a Just Blaze or you know
Speaker 1: other producers. And you know, I didn't see him as
Speaker 1: a rapper. I really still don't. I think he's the
Speaker 1: best producer that could rap. But I know he wants
Speaker 1: to be a rapper, you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: um now, I didn't know that he was going to
Speaker 1: do that. When he broke his jaw. That's when I
Speaker 1: knew he was going to do that. When he came
Speaker 1: back with Through the Wire but really Bigs, it brought
Speaker 1: that to my attention, like I think we should pay
Speaker 1: attention to Kanye. And what was happening was, um the
Speaker 1: Young Guns had a single out um Can Style and
Speaker 1: that ship was going crazy on the radio, and I
Speaker 1: was trying to put Kanye's out just because because Bigg
Speaker 1: was at the time, Bigg was trying to get more
Speaker 1: involved because that's what Jay was beefing about, so he
Speaker 1: was doing all this ship. He was like, yo, let's
Speaker 1: focus on this dude. And um. I went to Lior
Speaker 1: and was like, yo, I'm gonna put out Kanye and
Speaker 1: he was like, no, We're gonna focus on such and such,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'll take him someplace else because
Speaker 1: I had to kind of have so much work. I
Speaker 1: had deals with Atlantic with Rocketfi Rocket for Atlantic and
Speaker 1: Rocket Feller Sony as well, and me it wasn't there,
Speaker 1: and I forgot what the fuss was over there. But anyway,
Speaker 1: and then you know, you saw what they did, Cameron
Speaker 1: did and Jimmy with Cots, and I just had so
Speaker 1: much work that I was just even exclusive. So I
Speaker 1: was taking him to Atlantic and I forgot it was
Speaker 1: it Craig Cold. Now I wasn't Craig. It was whoever
Speaker 1: it was, it was giving me the same kind of
Speaker 1: dumb ship as Jeff jam And I was like, fuck it,
Speaker 1: I just put it out through here and he started
Speaker 1: to catch fire and they had no choice. But you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I didn't know Kanye was gonna do
Speaker 1: what he did today. And I thought that we were
Speaker 1: going to be able to leverage him. Like to me,
Speaker 1: Kanye was a guy that could not at the door,
Speaker 1: and they were gonna let him in and then all
Speaker 1: of us were gonna run it because you know, we
Speaker 1: were looking. You know, he was wearing a different you
Speaker 1: got a different thing going, you know. But um, I
Speaker 1: didn't know that he was gonna do what he did
Speaker 1: and be so consistent, And I didn't know that he
Speaker 1: had such work. I knew he had work ethic because
Speaker 1: I was impressed. But you know, even looking at how
Speaker 1: he is now, you know he's on one hunt. It.
Speaker 1: He like he really deserves everything that he has because
Speaker 1: he does work that hard his whole he dedicated his
Speaker 1: whole life to it. So thoughts on a project like
Speaker 1: dropout and where he's at with this recent Donda and
Speaker 1: dropping Donta too Soon, thoughts and how his music is
Speaker 1: at this point, he's dropping music for fun, so he's
Speaker 1: just being creative and I think that's great. He does
Speaker 1: what he wants to do. When you have a certain
Speaker 1: amount of money, you could do what you want to do, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not really the music, it's the way
Speaker 1: he rolls it out. You know, look what he does.
Speaker 1: He's the new Michael Jackson. I didn't know he was
Speaker 1: going to be turning into Michael Jackson. I didn't see
Speaker 1: that one coming. Pause, but he definitely is are Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1: He always brings the event, absolutely, but you know, he
Speaker 1: has really good fashion sense. So it's like Michael Jackson
Speaker 1: with good fashion sense. Can you imagine if Michael Jackson
Speaker 1: had a sneaker, Mike Jackson had a gap deal the move. Well,
Speaker 1: but the thing about it is he would have to
Speaker 1: really study. So what I could say is that, you know,
Speaker 1: it's not just Kanye putting his name on it. He
Speaker 1: really does study. You know, he does the work, which
Speaker 1: is important. He has. He definitely always sets up a
Speaker 1: lab and he has the best people around him. And
Speaker 1: when he gives you a product, it's not just his
Speaker 1: name function. You know. The thing, you know, if there's
Speaker 1: a point of view. Whether you like it or not,
Speaker 1: it definitely is something that's a point of view. You
Speaker 1: can tell that it's made by him. He turned into
Speaker 1: a real designer as well, so for someone to master
Speaker 1: two trades at a professional level, there's a big deal
Speaker 1: as well, and we should have props for that. You know,
Speaker 1: some people just put their names on things, but he
Speaker 1: really did take it serious and get respected, and he
Speaker 1: did it over and over and over and over and
Speaker 1: over and over again. You know, his first fashion show
Speaker 1: perceived as a success, but it really was. It was
Speaker 1: more of a test to see if he come back,
Speaker 1: and he kept coming back. So resilience is impressive to me.
Speaker 1: That's that's fearless. And he's not scared to dream. You know,
Speaker 1: that's one thing that he does. He dreams and most
Speaker 1: people don't dream. So let me ask you a question,
Speaker 1: both of your what's your dreams? I'm living it, but
Speaker 1: what is it though? To be successful? That's an emotion specifically,
Speaker 1: So my dream is to have my own television network,
Speaker 1: my own um football teams, my own sports teams, to
Speaker 1: have a family, to live a certain way, to have
Speaker 1: properties all over the world. But you can say dreams
Speaker 1: change your dreams change, of course they do. I mean
Speaker 1: like when your dreams the death of a dream is
Speaker 1: the best friend. What that means it became a reality
Speaker 1: and then it's time to have another one. So you've
Speaker 1: made your dreams come true. But what's your dreams right now?
Speaker 1: My dreams right now is to be that's my dream.
Speaker 1: You're dreaming and be an actor? You can be an actor.
Speaker 1: You gotta dream bigger. Give me a bigger dream. Profession
Speaker 1: did not be making up something that I'm not in
Speaker 1: that space. I want you to drink. I'm gonna ask
Speaker 1: you this question when you come on to my studio.
Speaker 1: You have to dream big enough so that you're not
Speaker 1: the only one that's affected. You have to be selfish
Speaker 1: about it though. You can't help nobody unless you can
Speaker 1: help yourself. And the people that you want to help
Speaker 1: are the people you love, your family. See that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But what if you what if you're in
Speaker 1: a position where, like I'm saying, when you ask me
Speaker 1: that question, I'm looking at like, well, ship, I'm living
Speaker 1: my dream because I've done what I said out to
Speaker 1: do to change line that dreams over right next dream
Speaker 1: right it died already because you've acomplished it, right, it's
Speaker 1: an angel, it's in the wind. You don't want to
Speaker 1: be the guy talking about Like some people's dream in
Speaker 1: high school was to like win the chip, and they
Speaker 1: still talking about the day to this day. My approach
Speaker 1: on this dream would be number one, to be the
Speaker 1: best actor every not just to be an actor. But
Speaker 1: you have one, two, three, four, five, seven, eight cameras
Speaker 1: right there, you have sound in the location. We stopping
Speaker 1: you from acting, somebody employing you know, So then we're
Speaker 1: stopping to making that dream come true today I'm asking,
Speaker 1: I just know, I just wanted to answer to that question.
Speaker 1: What's what question? What's stopping me? If you have one too,
Speaker 1: three four, five, six cameras and Mike's and the location,
Speaker 1: what's stopping you from acting? I know it's more than
Speaker 1: just me acting to it? Right, there's six cameras, writers,
Speaker 1: is all kind of stuff. You don't need writers to act.
Speaker 1: Mostly everything I've ever done, I don't even have a script.
Speaker 1: I didn't even do honor upt with the script. So
Speaker 1: you're making reasons not to do it, so again we're
Speaker 1: stopping it. I don't know the nothing is stopping really well,
Speaker 1: I mean there's nothing. I'm just trying to I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to. You just said I don't know. That means
Speaker 1: there's nothing, so do it. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: that's saying that. But it's not that simple. Wanted me
Speaker 1: say you how simple as this? This is good. I
Speaker 1: need you to have an argument with him, but don't
Speaker 1: mean it about a girl action. Why the fund didn't
Speaker 1: tell me you called her to She told me you
Speaker 1: called her. You told me he was cool, you weren't
Speaker 1: gonna sunk with her. I told you I like I
Speaker 1: told you I was taken out, and you still called her.
Speaker 1: I thought he was better than that. She do that
Speaker 1: little thing to me? You know, well, you should have
Speaker 1: told me that, bro. I told you, I told you
Speaker 1: not to call. I told you I was gonna really
Speaker 1: try to be with her, and you still called her.
Speaker 1: Like what that type of nick of you is? You
Speaker 1: have my first scene? So what was hard about that? Boy?
Speaker 1: You just now your dream just came to next dreak.
Speaker 1: You just acted. That's something that's the low level of acting.
Speaker 1: That that was sucked up, that you did that to yourself.
Speaker 1: Why did you do that? Because because I don't do
Speaker 1: your favorite listen, in my perspective, give me the best
Speaker 1: case scenario of what you just did. The best case scenario,
Speaker 1: and the only think about that that what I just
Speaker 1: did is in the movie theater? So why can't it
Speaker 1: be because it won't be beneficial? See, I just said
Speaker 1: your dream fucked up? Bro, None of these that's the
Speaker 1: last thing you think about is the worst thing. Bro.
Speaker 1: The first thing you think about is the best thing.
Speaker 1: And then so your visualization just now was it won't
Speaker 1: be successful. That's what you just visualized. You just sucked
Speaker 1: your dream up. Now, if you're only visualizing this ship
Speaker 1: in the movie. When I said, you just said it's
Speaker 1: in the movie, then that's what you should have seen
Speaker 1: and then you make it happen. Now, question, how the
Speaker 1: fund could that be in the movie? Well, I could
Speaker 1: just shoot sixty more minutes of scenes and now I
Speaker 1: could go into the theater and show it. How could
Speaker 1: it be beneficial? Well, I just showcase that I can
Speaker 1: act and it could be good. Actually, in my dream,
Speaker 1: it is so good that now it's a hit out
Speaker 1: of left field visualizing that visualizing now why it can't
Speaker 1: happen because a lot of things goes Again, I'm being
Speaker 1: a realistic Now see that you're not. Your realism is
Speaker 1: the worst. That's not realistic something. Okay, now what if
Speaker 1: let me think about that? True? You're wrong. It always
Speaker 1: goes the right way. It always goes the right way.
Speaker 1: I never fucking lose. If you're playing in the NBA
Speaker 1: and you lose the game, you still won't because you're
Speaker 1: in the NBA. Now, what is something? Now? I think
Speaker 1: about this. Some kids says, you say to him, what
Speaker 1: do you want to do? What's your dream? I want
Speaker 1: to be a basketball When he goes, well, ship, I
Speaker 1: can't be a basketball, but I gotta have this, and
Speaker 1: that pu'd be like, get the funk out of here.
Speaker 1: You gotta do is be good? Like right, you have
Speaker 1: to the way you attack your dream is the way
Speaker 1: you have to attack the dreams that make you uncomfortable
Speaker 1: just because you don't know how to do it. You
Speaker 1: knew you was gonna be a basketball player because you
Speaker 1: know your skills. You're not confident in your skills, but
Speaker 1: you've got to be confident in your skills. Just now,
Speaker 1: what I saw is you do have enough confidence to
Speaker 1: be an actor. And why wouldn't you turn this into
Speaker 1: a scripted show? As well as like the office or something.
Speaker 1: You got everything you need. The amount of time it
Speaker 1: takes you to set this ship up, you could be
Speaker 1: doing scripted, trust me the amount. You've got a lot
Speaker 1: of people on here. Who's the d P? Is there
Speaker 1: a DP? Or is just setting up? You know about
Speaker 1: you know about cameras? What kind of lenses these? Can
Speaker 1: you put movie lenses on there? Like Zisce lenses. I
Speaker 1: got Zice lenses. I'll let you hold some lenses and
Speaker 1: I got cameras. Can anybody here a writer? Can you
Speaker 1: just write a script? This is the location. It's about
Speaker 1: two x basketball players that argue over girls. Can you
Speaker 1: do that? What the fun is the problem? You guys
Speaker 1: can know showtime right now? I mean, get bro, make
Speaker 1: your dreams come true. I wish I had these variables.
Speaker 1: I mean I do, but I don't have showtime past
Speaker 1: the plug we talked about, and you have something past.
Speaker 1: It is our personal past. So all you have to
Speaker 1: do is write a script. Take these cameras if you
Speaker 1: want to, let your hold the lenses, or you can
Speaker 1: read some lenses I like uh Cook's animorphix. You can't
Speaker 1: lose with those. But you got the lights? What the
Speaker 1: funk want you already got the bodies, which all he
Speaker 1: needs an editor who your pardon? Definitely I gotta get.
Speaker 1: I would love to you know, you know he used
Speaker 1: to make you made a lens, chump rock. He's like
Speaker 1: a scientist. He made a lens. That's what buck me.
Speaker 1: He was one of my favorite he's one of my
Speaker 1: favorite rappers. Quite some month. I got to change one
Speaker 1: number because these girls went a little lumper pause. But yeah, literally,
Speaker 1: who was directing it? Because it's one location, it should
Speaker 1: only take ten days. You could shoot ten pages a
Speaker 1: day and you'll have a hunted fucking minutes. There you go, done?
Speaker 1: Now you can your dream just came true? What's next?
Speaker 1: What your dream? It came true? He did nothing yet?
Speaker 1: Just what I'm saying, he just did a scene. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I live a reality. Do you feel like you did
Speaker 1: a good job in that little scene right there? I
Speaker 1: was so stung and you were so good. I don't
Speaker 1: really know to say. I was like captivated about what
Speaker 1: you were saying. No, No, I feel like you might
Speaker 1: have just earned a spot, you know what. I'm just
Speaker 1: full too. Maybe I think that's what your business man, right,
Speaker 1: that's your man I think you might have just earned
Speaker 1: a spot. You saw that. You saw he did that? No,
Speaker 1: I just said it. He really really so. I knew
Speaker 1: by his lingo that he was a business man. I said,
Speaker 1: this must be your manager conversation. Look at thee you
Speaker 1: how about the TV show all you manager? One thing
Speaker 1: that has to be wreck You got his hands sweaty
Speaker 1: again for like a year and a half, his hand
Speaker 1: that you got Jack's hands sweaty with all this was bad.
Speaker 1: But when he first threw me on the spot, said
Speaker 1: you didn't even sweaty hands he used to be and
Speaker 1: then it stopped for like a whole year and a half.
Speaker 1: He put me on the spot with the actor Ship.
Speaker 1: So how you go on my bag? My bad? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Now you good? I like it. I think positive. You said, ship?
Speaker 1: What's mine? A platform for people to watch you? Already?
Speaker 1: You have an audience, bro. I mean, I don't see
Speaker 1: where this is really easy if it's a slam dunk,
Speaker 1: you know, he said he. I mean, he made it
Speaker 1: seem very manageable. It is manageable. It's just we never
Speaker 1: think things do. We make things harder because pause, it
Speaker 1: is the unknown, so it scares us. But there's no
Speaker 1: fair when you try. Trust me, it's art no matter what,
Speaker 1: expressing who you are because you love it confidently. It's gangster.
Speaker 1: That's where the rock star does that confidence and every
Speaker 1: and every what they call them pampers that we do
Speaker 1: for teams. They ask me, what was one thing that
Speaker 1: I live by that my mama taught me when I
Speaker 1: was young, What she said to me. There's nothing be
Speaker 1: to failuable to try. I gotta tell it on. Give
Speaker 1: me a favorite. As his manager, this is what he does.
Speaker 1: He brings negative every time, he brings the reason why
Speaker 1: it shouldn't happen. Don't I don't buy it. To it.
Speaker 1: But don't even let them go. Don't even only positive,
Speaker 1: don't say nothing notistic. Let him say that. Let your
Speaker 1: let your manager be negative. Yeah, I don't think there's
Speaker 1: always a win. That's the thing a creative. When you're dreaming,
Speaker 1: there's nothing, there is no reason not to do it.
Speaker 1: It's a dream. So you're being a creative. You've gotta
Speaker 1: be a dreamer. But when you you're not realistic when
Speaker 1: you're dreaming, that's a that's an oxymoron. You have a
Speaker 1: realistic dream. No dreams supposed to be scary. And unrealistic
Speaker 1: and never done before. That's a fucking dream. Dream big.
Speaker 1: They court nothing, they're cheap. Why dream cheap? There's no
Speaker 1: sense to dream about Popeye's when you could afford some
Speaker 1: good vegan food. Do you dream about whack weed? I
Speaker 1: don't know, Is that right? You're like, I'm dreaming, Oh
Speaker 1: I got weed, but it could be bad. It might
Speaker 1: be some popcornhip like, no, I'm not dreaming about no
Speaker 1: bum wheat. You don't dream about a car and say
Speaker 1: you gotta pay for the gas. You feel me and
Speaker 1: the dream everything works. That's the dream. M hm m hmm.
Speaker 1: Now put that on paper, the vigilation of the dreams,
Speaker 1: because that's the script storyboards. If you want to take
Speaker 1: that load, and then you just get a fucking a
Speaker 1: d Is anybody an assistant directive in here? Have the
Speaker 1: ad break it down, give you a shot list ten
Speaker 1: pages a day. You got six cameras, you got almost
Speaker 1: you don't need six cameras, you need three. You can
Speaker 1: have the three set up there, three set up there,
Speaker 1: going from scene the scene. Make a fucking soap opera
Speaker 1: here really easy or anything you want, really and then
Speaker 1: do it in the metaverse. I'll tell you in four D,
Speaker 1: I'll put you in my gallery in the metaverse and
Speaker 1: on on new vort and you know you'll be able
Speaker 1: to be yourself as a fucking avatar. What three D?
Speaker 1: Four D all the Smoke team? What did I text
Speaker 1: in the motherfucking group chatting how can we get all
Speaker 1: this woking? The metal verse should call? I did? That's
Speaker 1: why I just did. What you mean? What do you mean?
Speaker 1: You're in the press of greatness with Timberland, Swiss beats
Speaker 1: and a young crop of new producers such as Kanye
Speaker 1: Neptune was just blazed. What was some of those recordings?
Speaker 1: We got to see some of them, some like some
Speaker 1: of them with some of them jay Z movies, But
Speaker 1: the music with backstage was backstage. But to me, like
Speaker 1: like that, this his music. The music he was a
Speaker 1: part of, shaped our teens or early twenties and and
Speaker 1: our mindset today especially Stay properly and give me example
Speaker 1: of one session that had you in all So you know,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty distracting, all right. I take up a lot
Speaker 1: of energy. So when they would be laying vocals and
Speaker 1: ship like that, I would sometimes not be there, but
Speaker 1: I would come back and just listen so it would
Speaker 1: be like listening sessions and if you like something, because
Speaker 1: they would be hit, you just would be playing it
Speaker 1: over and over and over again. But the sessions that
Speaker 1: were um standout are the ones with Biggie um m hmm,
Speaker 1: the skits making the skits, you know, watching Premier make
Speaker 1: a beat, ship like that. You know, I've been blessed
Speaker 1: to be in the studio with Biggie Bro, you know,
Speaker 1: to smoke with him and ship for him to actually
Speaker 1: be my home. You know, those relationships do bug me out.
Speaker 1: And the thing is when you when you become genuinely
Speaker 1: friends with people that are great the friendship and you
Speaker 1: lose them, it hurts and and then when you see
Speaker 1: how it affects everyone else, you know, I'd be the
Speaker 1: bugout just like then. That was my friend, that was
Speaker 1: my homie and ship like you know. And what's what's
Speaker 1: fucked up now is because people are rapidly you're losing
Speaker 1: people that are famous that you get cool with. That
Speaker 1: it's almost becoming an uncomfortable norm right, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, comfortable with death that's scary. Well, that's just
Speaker 1: being cool with unrecognized trauma. And that's the reason why
Speaker 1: therapy is key. You know, even though my network I
Speaker 1: have a show with Taj Healing is gangster, but I
Speaker 1: get therapy every fucking week. It's like having a constellary too.
Speaker 1: You got to but you want a therapist that's going
Speaker 1: to speak your language or you know, Black people don't
Speaker 1: get therapy, so the study of people don't come from
Speaker 1: our culture, so sometimes the therapy is the wrong trauma,
Speaker 1: wrong experience. So you know, having more of us that
Speaker 1: can talk to us, it's about language, you know. That's
Speaker 1: why I'm also part of this cup to OSG. It's
Speaker 1: a hundred and thirty Black principles all over the world,
Speaker 1: and they all speak our language. You know, the education
Speaker 1: that's in it to us is not in the language
Speaker 1: that we can even understand. You know. We're people that
Speaker 1: like the growth ship, not really kill ship. You know.
Speaker 1: We people that like to be in the sun, not
Speaker 1: in the fucking room behind a desk for eight hours
Speaker 1: while the sun is out. Who's gonna pay attention on
Speaker 1: to them circumstances, you know what I mean. But again,
Speaker 1: it's it's a program. So instead of complaining about it,
Speaker 1: we have to do it ourselves. And at the end
Speaker 1: of the day. Racism isn't about anything but control and fear.
Speaker 1: And people will accept us being bosses, being in control
Speaker 1: if it's profitable. So we know how profitable we are
Speaker 1: when we're not in control. How profitable do you think
Speaker 1: we are when we are in control? So why wouldn't
Speaker 1: we just stick together so we can have the control?
Speaker 1: And like you said, it's benefits for everyone when we
Speaker 1: in power, we don't. That's the thing. We don't want
Speaker 1: to be like. We're not scared, so our control doesn't
Speaker 1: come at all. We gotta control everybody so they don't rebel.
Speaker 1: Our control is yo make everybody rich so everybody can
Speaker 1: be equal. Social classes are so people that are scared,
Speaker 1: I don't have to feel so scared. The only way
Speaker 1: they feel empowered. M m m. You know the thing
Speaker 1: that breaks my heart is to see a big, strong
Speaker 1: rock star, cool gangster in the street and then have
Speaker 1: some nerd because the guy have more money from a
Speaker 1: different culture bowed down. And I see it all the time,
Speaker 1: like it was he was, he was a gangster in
Speaker 1: the street, he was a boss. And now you're letting
Speaker 1: this nerd pat you on the back that's not been
Speaker 1: through anything. We've been through. I can't do it. M hmm.
Speaker 1: You know, I gotta be able to live with myself.
Speaker 1: When I'm taking a shower, I'm worried about what my
Speaker 1: girl thinks about me and my kids. And you know again,
Speaker 1: I still keep in touch with the people in the
Speaker 1: fabric that you know made me the man I am today.
Speaker 1: It would be intolerable for me to compromise on any level.
Speaker 1: Camping mhm. What's show um opinion on dirt on versus?
Speaker 1: I think it's dope. It's entertaining. Who's the verses? You
Speaker 1: would like to see jay Z and Most Death? M
Speaker 1: I want to see jay Z and Waine Most Death, White,
Speaker 1: Most Death, He Jill, he is ill. It was always
Speaker 1: a battle that I wanted to see always. You said,
Speaker 1: you know something we don't know, of course, No, It's
Speaker 1: just I've been around both of them for long, you know,
Speaker 1: long periods of time, and hip hop is about different things,
Speaker 1: you know, so that would to me, would be the
Speaker 1: most entertaining one for me because it would be it
Speaker 1: would be a battle that would be unexpected. I think,
Speaker 1: I don't think that ever happened, but that would be
Speaker 1: my dream battle. You know, I see a lot of
Speaker 1: people like like like a tyle of the Creator, I
Speaker 1: see a lot of most stuff on it, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I don't know if people see it,
Speaker 1: but I'm like, and then I remember, you know, because
Speaker 1: my little cousin, my nephew, little Dash and and they,
Speaker 1: you know, they always put me on the Who's Who's Hot.
Speaker 1: So when like Tyler Creative and it was it was
Speaker 1: first of that crew, before anyone knew him. I went
Speaker 1: and most stuff was there, really yeah, And I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, because that's what I used to do. I
Speaker 1: used to like, I like to see the new ship,
Speaker 1: you know, all that it ever was intriguing my nephews
Speaker 1: because they're there. Yeah, Stevie's blowing up. He blew up. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, they like, you know, I got
Speaker 1: the coolest nephews in the world, and so you know,
Speaker 1: but they're so cool that they don't even tell people
Speaker 1: they're related to me. But if I come out with
Speaker 1: my little nephews and my son and all of us together,
Speaker 1: you'd be like, damn, that's a swaggy crew. And the
Speaker 1: thing is we're so independent that they all want to
Speaker 1: do things on their own. But you know, again, we
Speaker 1: all collectively talk and you know, I give guidance where
Speaker 1: I can, but they all want to make their market
Speaker 1: their own way. But what my thing to them always is, yo,
Speaker 1: I thought this hard, so you ain't got to do
Speaker 1: that right, Like, you know, you don't have to do that.
Speaker 1: Let me I did. I did above stuff, but they
Speaker 1: rather go do it from scratch. But you know, they
Speaker 1: ahead of the game. I raised them, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like literally, you gotta think I had custody
Speaker 1: of my son when he was eight years old and
Speaker 1: all of them were the same age, so you know,
Speaker 1: I had the big house, so they all used to
Speaker 1: be together and they were still outside, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, So it would be like you know, they
Speaker 1: there nanny was like a nanny with a gun that
Speaker 1: was a driver, and they had you know, every car
Speaker 1: I wasn't driving. Was their huge playrooms and you know
Speaker 1: camp either think about I'll show you the video. I
Speaker 1: got a documented, but they were bad. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: That's this is why I have great hands because of
Speaker 1: the shout. Yeah. So yeah, I'm probably day and you know,
Speaker 1: we're making this movement toward the world, and you know,
Speaker 1: they do it a certain way, but you know, hopefully
Speaker 1: even because I'm talking, it brings awareness to whatever they're doing.
Speaker 1: So a big shout out to that that's my family
Speaker 1: and my son he's doing it, you know, cryptocurrency, you know.
Speaker 1: And you know again, I was on the TV show.
Speaker 1: It was making us look crazy, you know, and that's
Speaker 1: why I put money on E one's head. And also
Speaker 1: we we channeled and started did my own so in
Speaker 1: Love for a Living and that's the new show that's
Speaker 1: gonna come out and you're gonna see what a family
Speaker 1: looks like and what we're really fighting for. Because my
Speaker 1: whole family we ate one. Me, My daughters were all good,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. They want to make and
Speaker 1: compromise someone's legacy, but it kind of caused dysfunction. And
Speaker 1: you put a camera on somebody that's showing the dysfunction
Speaker 1: they want and they don't say shit. They out of there,
Speaker 1: you know, but they wants profit and that narrative has
Speaker 1: to stop as well. That's why it was important for
Speaker 1: me to partner up with foxhul And you go to
Speaker 1: Fox sol we only four hours a day every day
Speaker 1: right now, you know, seven days a week, and and
Speaker 1: that's and way more is gonna happen. And also I'm
Speaker 1: distributing movies as well, so Dame Dads Studios Distribution. I
Speaker 1: got like twenty movies on two we Fox Soul. Oh
Speaker 1: not if you go to Fox Soul right now. My
Speaker 1: ship is on v O D. So nobody's talking about
Speaker 1: this ship. What I'm saying is, it's like, oh ship,
Speaker 1: they really did actually do a network on his own
Speaker 1: by itself. Raise no money, not a dollar, and I
Speaker 1: did everything that they tried to do. But now I'm
Speaker 1: not you ain't paying me. We're busting down ads like bosses.
Speaker 1: Should you know what I'm saying. In so, I don't
Speaker 1: expect anyone to give me any real estate. I gotta
Speaker 1: buy it to take it. I don't want anybody to
Speaker 1: get me anything. I hate that. You know, then you
Speaker 1: gotta be nice to him. I don't like it. You
Speaker 1: ain't gotta be nice to us. But we're gonna let
Speaker 1: you talk your ship on here for sure, because I'm
Speaker 1: I'm learning a lot. I love it. I just can't
Speaker 1: wait to see the movie. I'm a holy too. You
Speaker 1: did live, You did the whole thing live, broke the
Speaker 1: whole ship down. Yeah, I mean, I just you know,
Speaker 1: I just I just gave you out a bootprint. It
Speaker 1: ain't so hard once you know it. If you don't
Speaker 1: know it, you know, you can make an ass out
Speaker 1: of yourself. But I know it. And if you have
Speaker 1: a DP, you know, it's just all of this pause.
Speaker 1: You want director, right, you gotta get your wide first
Speaker 1: and then you get your close ups or you just
Speaker 1: have all the cameras. But you know, it depends on
Speaker 1: how you want to light it. And it's about the lighting,
Speaker 1: and it's about the glass, And don't matter about the camera.
Speaker 1: It matters about the glass. The glass is the lens
Speaker 1: paying full. Part two going to be ridiculous. I can't
Speaker 1: wait till we end it. You uh earlier. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're talking about your network and all that. I love
Speaker 1: all this ship, but but to me, I think it's
Speaker 1: important too for people to to to really know all
Speaker 1: the different lanes you accomplished. So in you jump into
Speaker 1: rocket where it line the walk away line. Or by
Speaker 1: the year two thousand made a hundred million dollars in sales,
Speaker 1: you had the blueprint in music. You took the same
Speaker 1: blueprint mine hustle and just took it in every obviously
Speaker 1: and every step of the way. Mm hmm, what's the question.
Speaker 1: What was the clothing line run? Like? Yeah, frustrating. You know,
Speaker 1: everything that we did at a big level, including pain
Speaker 1: and full I had to fight for not one thing
Speaker 1: that we did that you're celebrating now wasn't me having
Speaker 1: to be game dashed asshole. And I was sick of
Speaker 1: the I told you so fact, Like y'all made me
Speaker 1: fight you over this, and now you want to celebrate
Speaker 1: and act like nothing happened. And that's why I left,
Speaker 1: because it was like arguing with people with bad taste
Speaker 1: that had no power, that thought they did that usually
Speaker 1: in the street out have been like, Yo, you're you're
Speaker 1: going in the trump There's no way you're not, I
Speaker 1: promise you, bro. It would be like you know, internalizing.
Speaker 1: Think about if you have to take a ship the
Speaker 1: diarrhea cramp, how painful it is until you get the release,
Speaker 1: and when you finally release, you're like, oh you little
Speaker 1: till you like with that, I'm good. Imagine emotionally having
Speaker 1: to eternalize everything, having an emotional diarrhea cramp and you
Speaker 1: can't really project the way you want, never get to
Speaker 1: take that emotional ship. It's painful and I think that's
Speaker 1: what happens with everybody. They internalize. That's why I never
Speaker 1: would hold it in, because I'm not gonna have an
Speaker 1: emotional diarrhea cramp because of your fucking nerd ask. I
Speaker 1: release as soon as I feel it, as soon as
Speaker 1: I got to take a shift. I'm taking a ship,
Speaker 1: so I'm happy. What would you guys have been like
Speaker 1: if you have social media back in the day, particularly
Speaker 1: in that hard knock jail, too much jail on the
Speaker 1: business side. But I don't know, bro, You know, I
Speaker 1: was a different guy back then, and I've been doing
Speaker 1: my version of social media the whole time. I was
Speaker 1: the guy who always had a camera and everybody said
Speaker 1: I was extra. I'm the guy that taped everything. I'm
Speaker 1: the guy that took the pictures before I always got
Speaker 1: I'm you know, with all my friends I've been in with,
Speaker 1: I always had to have a camera, a real camera,
Speaker 1: because I had to send in pictures. You know, I
Speaker 1: had somebody whose job it was to send my friends
Speaker 1: pictures to jail. I'm telling you, it's a different time,
Speaker 1: So I don't know, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: I tend not to do that, but what if so
Speaker 1: much because it doesn't do nothing front. You know, I
Speaker 1: just know about what I just appreciate how hard it
Speaker 1: was paused back then and how easy it is now.
Speaker 1: What I learned is I don't have to go outside, right,
Speaker 1: And also I have a voice without having a buffer, right.
Speaker 1: So probably would have happened is the world would have
Speaker 1: evolved a lot quicker and people wouldnt have thought. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have to yell for people to finally listen ten
Speaker 1: years later. You know, if you look at what I've
Speaker 1: been saying for the last twenty years is pretty consistent.
Speaker 1: But the way people were looking at me is the
Speaker 1: thing that's different. That's true. August, how did that day
Speaker 1: change your life? You know? That was the day I
Speaker 1: got a broken heart. I know what it felt like,
Speaker 1: the really really have my heart broken, And it was
Speaker 1: a day that I had to learn how to appreciate life.
Speaker 1: It was a terrible day. What was she like as
Speaker 1: a person? I mean we gotta brief glance at her
Speaker 1: of music, her girl in the world person. Just she
Speaker 1: was the coolest girl in the world period, Just the
Speaker 1: girl you want to hang out with every day all day.
Speaker 1: I see a lot of people didn't know that we
Speaker 1: were together till after because we didn't really want to
Speaker 1: be bothered. We would go places where nobody was because
Speaker 1: we just wanted to hang out with each other. I
Speaker 1: was amazed about how powerful she was now. She affected people,
Speaker 1: but she was so well versed. You know, Honestly, if
Speaker 1: it wasn't four Lee, I wouldn't been able to recognize
Speaker 1: Rocky now, because first of all, I didn't know what
Speaker 1: and love felt like. And you know, I was always
Speaker 1: I never thought I would find a girl like her again,
Speaker 1: and it was weird that it ended up being Raquel,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So without ever going through love,
Speaker 1: you might not know how to recognize it until it's going.
Speaker 1: But what I'm appreciative is that we did recognize it,
Speaker 1: and we celebrated each other's love. And there was never
Speaker 1: anything I didn't get to not tell her except the
Speaker 1: don't get on that plane. You know, that's the one
Speaker 1: thing I regret. I actually referenced it a lot um
Speaker 1: before she was getting on the plane. You know, she
Speaker 1: you know, the BlackBerry Ship and the BlackBerry Ship. I
Speaker 1: don't like the plane, and I said, well, don't get
Speaker 1: on it, and um, she was like, now I got
Speaker 1: to you know, there was a different situation, but she
Speaker 1: had to do this video and that was one of
Speaker 1: the times I wasn't an asshole, you know. And if
Speaker 1: I had been an asshole that day and really stood
Speaker 1: behind what I believed in, she wouldn't have got on
Speaker 1: that plane. So now when situations come up and I'm like, damn,
Speaker 1: I don't want to kill a vibe, but I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'd rather kill a vibe now than be all funked
Speaker 1: up later. Talk about her impact, her legacy on music
Speaker 1: and just that part. Well, you know the fact that
Speaker 1: every single day I get tagged on pictures of a Leasah,
Speaker 1: Like it's like, I don't want to say, like a cult,
Speaker 1: but the love is just gets stronger. Yeah, but it's
Speaker 1: just like people, really, it really fucked a lot of
Speaker 1: people up. You know that I've seen people like several
Speaker 1: that still have not recovered at all, like just disappeared
Speaker 1: off the face of the earth. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: like seriously, And what I do sometimes think about is
Speaker 1: what would have life been like if she did not
Speaker 1: transition in that way and what she would have became.
Speaker 1: And it's the same thing. It's like I think about
Speaker 1: that what would Biggie be today? We will pop be
Speaker 1: right now. Just curious to know what the older version
Speaker 1: and of these people and with their legacy, they really
Speaker 1: like they just got started and they were doing so
Speaker 1: well and so far ahead of the game. You know.
Speaker 1: The only way I can equate it. It It was just
Speaker 1: the world didn't deserve her, you know, and she went
Speaker 1: through a lot, and it was like, I'm just glad
Speaker 1: that she got to feel this kind of love before
Speaker 1: something like that happened. But you know, it's another reason
Speaker 1: why I don't like dudes a lot. We had Kevin
Speaker 1: Heart as a guest. He said, you, uh, you kind
Speaker 1: of helped him and this his first opportunity with paper Soldiers.
Speaker 1: What was it like? And what did you see? And
Speaker 1: keV to give him an are you gonna break me to? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You know, I directed Kev's first couple of movies and
Speaker 1: took him off a stage and put him in the movie.
Speaker 1: And next day, Um, I like that Kevin was safe,
Speaker 1: you know, And uh, I knew they he had that
Speaker 1: commercial potential. I thought it was funny how he could
Speaker 1: tease hisself, but he kept up all the time. You know,
Speaker 1: when I see him, it's like a snap fight that
Speaker 1: I usually win always, you know. So yeah, to me,
Speaker 1: it's like, uh, I see a lot of the ingredients
Speaker 1: and a lot of people, but some of them don't
Speaker 1: realize their potential. So there's people that I think are
Speaker 1: funnier than Kevit that did not make it, but they
Speaker 1: didn't have the work ethic or maybe they didn't make
Speaker 1: certain sacrifices or compromises, you know. So I see and
Speaker 1: there's so many different people that I could be like,
Speaker 1: but this is the person that should have did it,
Speaker 1: but they just was fucking up. They just was just
Speaker 1: not not didn't have the discipline. It's a discipline like
Speaker 1: in basketball. How many dudes do you know that it's
Speaker 1: super nice that could have made it if they would
Speaker 1: have just played had the discipline. They just didn't have
Speaker 1: the discipline. It's the same thing. So it's actually I'm
Speaker 1: actually rather like if you would rewind and the people
Speaker 1: that like I wouldn't have expected Kanye to be the
Speaker 1: person that was the most successful of all of us
Speaker 1: in this moment. That was not what I was expected.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't expect so many people that have become certain things.
Speaker 1: It really bugged me out, Like you know, twenty years
Speaker 1: ago and been like, Yo, you know, in twenty years
Speaker 1: we're gonna be suing each other. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: We're gonna be a court. You know, Kanye is gonna
Speaker 1: be on in the gap and indeed get the funk
Speaker 1: out of That's good. I'm gonna be doing all that,
Speaker 1: you know. But I didn't. I would have thought it
Speaker 1: may have been the certain other people that I thought
Speaker 1: would have gotten there as well. So almost almost everyone
Speaker 1: that didn't get there that I started with, I'm surprised
Speaker 1: they're not all there. So I'm actually more shocked that
Speaker 1: I don't have more of the people that I um
Speaker 1: invested in, you know, with in Forbes, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. If we I think if we would all
Speaker 1: stayed the unit, everyone would have been on Forbes. It
Speaker 1: would have been like twenty billionaires. Not too mhm. With
Speaker 1: the success of Painting Full, you broke the news not
Speaker 1: too long ago that you're gonna do part two. What
Speaker 1: what motivated you to bring that back? No, I was
Speaker 1: always gonna make it or I need to have my
Speaker 1: own television network. Mm hmm. You know what kind of
Speaker 1: fight I went through to make Painting for bro Man listen,
Speaker 1: it was lawsuits. I'm fighting and I literally had to
Speaker 1: fight in the street were paying for damn, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, my fucker's getting smacked. I got sued,
Speaker 1: you know, like why you shoot them up like they
Speaker 1: own the block and ship like that. More like people
Speaker 1: just getting in business that was not theirs, you know.
Speaker 1: You know again it was a thing convincing people that
Speaker 1: don't know what they're talking about and be having to
Speaker 1: be prepared to pay for it myself. And you remember
Speaker 1: when like when they paid for it, they're in control.
Speaker 1: But because it's my name, I gotta deal with everything
Speaker 1: in the street more important. But even though like they
Speaker 1: think I'm the one with all the money and I
Speaker 1: made this money, I'm like, yo, I got a little
Speaker 1: feel off that, like paying for wasn't my most profitable
Speaker 1: movie yet all that was my first deal, and after
Speaker 1: that deal, I knew I had to do it myself.
Speaker 1: But I also didn't ever want to put myself in
Speaker 1: a position again where I had to fight to do
Speaker 1: it the right way. So you know, it's like I'm
Speaker 1: not going to try to convince you to do certain things,
Speaker 1: and I know my work is so good, you should
Speaker 1: be begging to do certain things. So I just wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna bring it out to it was a demand or
Speaker 1: I could have the control to do it in a
Speaker 1: way where I don't have to fight. You know. I
Speaker 1: wanted to be a pleasant experience. It should be therapeutic
Speaker 1: because the truth will be told. You know. I had
Speaker 1: to do a lot of compromising. I couldn't cast who
Speaker 1: I wanted to cast. You know, I had to make compromises.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't you know what. You wouldn't know that from
Speaker 1: seeing the movie not worked out, but it was conditions.
Speaker 1: So like with Harris, I didn't went with Harris to
Speaker 1: play a Zy. I wanted Tracy Morgan to play a
Speaker 1: Zy and they wanted, um damn what they wanted to play.
Speaker 1: I just forgot his name. But I wanted Cam, So
Speaker 1: I was like, I'll let y'all use Homie because as
Speaker 1: was a little more heavy set. If Cam could play Homeboy,
Speaker 1: and but my condition was that he had to spend
Speaker 1: two weeks with him, so he had to study him.
Speaker 1: So you know, I made the more study certain characters.
Speaker 1: I was able to coach McKay, you know, just and
Speaker 1: I had Jay Black because Jay Black was his lieutenant
Speaker 1: and that's like my brother. And you know, he was
Speaker 1: able to coach him. So he was able, like everybody
Speaker 1: was able to be with those particular characters. And Cam
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily act like him, but he did it well.
Speaker 1: But he didn't have like the high pitched voice of
Speaker 1: the fast talk, but he just had the the mannerisms
Speaker 1: to play that. But Cam went through a lot, you know,
Speaker 1: he got shot over that role in Washington that was
Speaker 1: over there, you know, and even like and you know,
Speaker 1: he's never told his story, but like it was times
Speaker 1: I didn't really realize what happened. He was like, I
Speaker 1: was asking to do another role once he was like, yo, bro,
Speaker 1: I got shot over because it was scene was a
Speaker 1: certain scene. He was like, I don't want to do
Speaker 1: that scene, you know what I'm saying, And he's like,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be too much. So almost when I found
Speaker 1: out that, I felt a little responsible and I never
Speaker 1: wanted to put anybody in that position again because the
Speaker 1: people take this story really serious, so it has to
Speaker 1: be really done completely correctly, you know. But there was
Speaker 1: a lot of layers that happened in perspectives that weren't told.
Speaker 1: It was from one person's perspective. It was from a's perspective,
Speaker 1: but this perspective is from a different perspectives. So, like
Speaker 1: I said, the Lynch Mob, which is like my block.
Speaker 1: You know that's Loose Sims and you know he just
Speaker 1: came home and he has a perspective, and Jay Black
Speaker 1: has a respective perspective, and Kevin Childs has a perspective,
Speaker 1: and their truth is the truth. It is what it is.
Speaker 1: And the other people that we're actually there, you know
Speaker 1: you're gonna get their perspectives. So you know, I did
Speaker 1: a deal with the BBS boys. I did a TV
Speaker 1: show with him, and now I'm casting the cars first
Speaker 1: you know what I meant. But now, but you know
Speaker 1: this is to me, this is gonna be art. So
Speaker 1: right now the first level is casting the cars. There's
Speaker 1: a car in London right now that the BBS boys
Speaker 1: are but I don't want to say what it is,
Speaker 1: the Holy Grail of BBS cars. Can you tell us
Speaker 1: the time frame this next with part two will be in?
Speaker 1: Are you saving that? Well, it'll be I'll probably pick
Speaker 1: it up right after it happens because a lot went
Speaker 1: on then. Like I said, I was there, so you
Speaker 1: know he was hitting us with work two and I
Speaker 1: took an l on that one. Everyone did, but particularly
Speaker 1: so you're gonna pick up right where you left off
Speaker 1: said in that time frame. Yeah, and I hope people
Speaker 1: don't expect me to have the same actors. These guys
Speaker 1: are older now, so he's not going to be the same, right,
Speaker 1: wasn't the first one? You know? That ship? If you
Speaker 1: could play anyone in Paid and Fool, who would it
Speaker 1: be a good question? If I could play anyone paying
Speaker 1: for I would be Calvin right now? Okay, I got
Speaker 1: I know that is I'll tell you offline you can
Speaker 1: do that. I've seen that movie too many times. Ou
Speaker 1: damn the those lines now. But you don't understand that
Speaker 1: whole story though, really do you? Guys don't understand it
Speaker 1: from the movie right, See, like they touched on him,
Speaker 1: but they're real. What really happened was heavy. With all
Speaker 1: the things spaces you've been successful in you continue to
Speaker 1: be successful, is there one that stands out to you
Speaker 1: the most outside of fatherhood? I think, um, the Rachel
Speaker 1: Roy the fashion. You know, people don't talk about that
Speaker 1: so much. You know that I was able to take
Speaker 1: a brand and then, like you know, three years had
Speaker 1: it and burg Dolf Goodman. You know, it wasn't uh
Speaker 1: urban Surmata business brand was you know, real fashion. You know,
Speaker 1: c FDA really got into the world of it, and
Speaker 1: then it was also able to diffuse it and have
Speaker 1: it in Macy's. You know. So the fashion business to
Speaker 1: me is like probably the one with the most taste
Speaker 1: and discipline. But the things I'm doing now, like making
Speaker 1: comic books, Like there's a movie I'm making, Deadweight, and
Speaker 1: we made a comic book out of it. And you know,
Speaker 1: my girl just did a kid's book, you know, Dusco
Speaker 1: goes to Space and she made a cartoon. I'm always
Speaker 1: really inspired by things I've just never done the football league.
Speaker 1: So you know, again that's shild I did. It was
Speaker 1: twenty years ago for that to be the most impressive
Speaker 1: thing that I did. But to me be disappointed. I
Speaker 1: did that ship twenty years ago. So I can't come
Speaker 1: back and do the same thing again. It wouldn't be
Speaker 1: inspiring to me. It would be the same ship. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm a person that likes to look at myself as
Speaker 1: like an industry conqueror. You know, I don't want to
Speaker 1: be known really as an entertainer. I want to be
Speaker 1: known as like the Mark Anthony or Julius Caesar of
Speaker 1: industries and or fighting for our culture, but with the
Speaker 1: you know, the black aging where you live. You know,
Speaker 1: back in the Roman days, you were not considered famous,
Speaker 1: no matter how rich you were, you weren't famous unless
Speaker 1: you want a war. So I like to be known
Speaker 1: for winning wars, or at least fighting hard valent, you know,
Speaker 1: hard as it could that, you know. I don't want
Speaker 1: to be famous for bidden any I don't want to
Speaker 1: be patted on the back by them. I want to
Speaker 1: be famous by chap for challenging them, but also being profitable.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be famous for showcasing what a healthy
Speaker 1: family life looks like, so much so that everyone wants
Speaker 1: to have a healthy family life. I want to change education.
Speaker 1: I want to change therapy. I want to change the
Speaker 1: way we look at rehability tation from trauma, which is
Speaker 1: a prison. But again, I want to change the way
Speaker 1: we heal. You know what I mean. I want us
Speaker 1: to be landlords. I want to change the economic temperature
Speaker 1: for everybody. I went the circle of success, everybody rich.
Speaker 1: I want everybody rich. That's all I want. If you
Speaker 1: had a billboard with a message for the world for
Speaker 1: everyone to see. What would your message on your billboard?
Speaker 1: B mm hmm A one word bill but no, it
Speaker 1: could be a sentence, it could be a word. It
Speaker 1: could be I would say dream big, you know, and
Speaker 1: keep people off, Like I think the main thing people
Speaker 1: have to do is keep people away. That distracts your
Speaker 1: vision of the wind. I can't. I don't want to
Speaker 1: visualize the negativeness I have to. You know, if if
Speaker 1: it's something I've never done before, I don't know what
Speaker 1: problems are going to present themselves that I know I
Speaker 1: could never factor them. There's always ship that I just
Speaker 1: could never imagine where it was. It was a factor
Speaker 1: like make sure you have a good hard drive. Pause,
Speaker 1: a really good hard drive. What's the hard drive? We
Speaker 1: get thickled it? Yeah, get a g ray because I've
Speaker 1: lost for this before the ship sucks. The machines break down,
Speaker 1: you know, batteries die. Really when the machines break, that
Speaker 1: just slows you the fun down. You know, always make
Speaker 1: his dude, so it shouldn't be so makeup or hair.
Speaker 1: But you know, factor that you don't want your ship
Speaker 1: ready and then you're waiting for people to fucking be
Speaker 1: doing their hair done because time is investance. Don't you're
Speaker 1: probably not in the union, but still, you know, twelve
Speaker 1: hours or twelve hours and you don't want to spend
Speaker 1: and you have to block, don't get there the day
Speaker 1: of you know, these are you know, he's got into
Speaker 1: every These are all problems that I've had on movie sets.
Speaker 1: So the next time I make sure they don't happen again.
Speaker 1: But I would not have known these things unless I
Speaker 1: made the movie. But y'all could learn from them. And
Speaker 1: but I did the rough stuff. You worked that hard
Speaker 1: so we can, like bro I got twenty filmmakers and
Speaker 1: Dame Deston and man Omo has created and all of them.
Speaker 1: Because to finish the film, you've got to be a general.
Speaker 1: You know, you have to lead soldiers. It's a plan.
Speaker 1: It's like you have to manage like starting the company
Speaker 1: and fucking getting crewed up every time unless you have
Speaker 1: a consistent crew. I was like, you already got a
Speaker 1: crewed the rough stuff is over or you really need
Speaker 1: as a line producer to organize it. But you could
Speaker 1: probably do it yourself, you know. So there's just unless
Speaker 1: you do certain things, you just will not know it,
Speaker 1: so you can't factor why not to do? He's like,
Speaker 1: I'll learn when i'm there if it ain't put me
Speaker 1: in jail. But it's not gonna kill me or impair
Speaker 1: anyone health around me or myself? Why not try so?
Speaker 1: Like in the street, I'm just taught to swing on
Speaker 1: the nick and just you gotta fight it up so
Speaker 1: you know you could get hurt. But where can you
Speaker 1: get hurt here? If you're having fun, when you're doing
Speaker 1: what you love, it doesn't feel like work. People be
Speaker 1: asking me, like, y, why you don't go to sleep?
Speaker 1: I'd be like, yo, my life is better than my dreams.
Speaker 1: I wake up looking forward to what I'm doing every
Speaker 1: single day. It is. That's wealth, happiness art, detecting what
Speaker 1: you like, not what everyone else likes. Like. To me,
Speaker 1: being too famous means you gotta be outside too much.
Speaker 1: That means you have to be outside around people you
Speaker 1: don't know too much. When you're outside, where are your kids?
Speaker 1: I thought we was doing those just so we could
Speaker 1: be with our kids. I'm not doing this so I
Speaker 1: could be outside more. I'm doing this so I could
Speaker 1: be with my kids. Period. And if you're doing it
Speaker 1: for any other reason, that's why you're not happy because
Speaker 1: love is not involved. That's not your currency. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna spend the money. I don't even I work for
Speaker 1: my children and my girl. I'm an employee for them. Literally,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. I don't get nothing. Oh
Speaker 1: money just goes into paying people because I don't get
Speaker 1: to look at money. You know. I want them to
Speaker 1: keep the brokesh it on me, keep that ship, leave
Speaker 1: me to funk alone. I'm trying to build this dream
Speaker 1: over here and be while I'm doing nothing. I ain't
Speaker 1: no better way quick hitters. First thing to come to mind.
Speaker 1: Let me know what you think if they were to
Speaker 1: create a biopic about your life, who would play you?
Speaker 1: No idea? Probably baby dost go Boogie my son, maybe
Speaker 1: um Lucky. I don't you know. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: mean to beat me. It's like you gotta be really
Speaker 1: really really really cool. You know what I'm saying. Like
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't. It's like, you know, when
Speaker 1: they were doing the Name Dash Challenge, His Name Dash Challenge,
Speaker 1: it's crazy like people, Yeah, but no one could really
Speaker 1: get it. Yeah, I didn't realize it was so difficult
Speaker 1: when people know rhythm doing it. It's gonna look people
Speaker 1: were rhythm try but they can't. It's just you know
Speaker 1: what to jump back. People can't really get well the
Speaker 1: last time you did it, I'll probably do it tonight.
Speaker 1: I'm rehearsing. I'm in a band. I'm in the rock band,
Speaker 1: the Black Guns. I got the best kits, but the
Speaker 1: verses I'll be I'll be looking for a rock band.
Speaker 1: The verses I want to versus rock band. I would
Speaker 1: verse somebody. I do verses with my band. Where can
Speaker 1: we find your guys music at Spotify right now? But
Speaker 1: you'll be able to get it on the n f
Speaker 1: T two in a minute. But yeah, Spotify right now.
Speaker 1: Black Guns therapy, but we're gonna I stopped rehearsals because,
Speaker 1: um so, the music division is blue rock. Right. So
Speaker 1: Nico letson artists. She's the best. She's right there. First
Speaker 1: of all, she would take anybody's girl in here right there.
Speaker 1: She's an assassin, and she has a movie coming out,
Speaker 1: but she plays that she has a I have a
Speaker 1: I have a basically have a country music record coming out.
Speaker 1: Me and her Valentine. I got rock and roll records.
Speaker 1: You're sing sing, I don't rap I sing. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: you want to get a nice laugh. Put you want
Speaker 1: to play a player right now, a nice laugh right now,
Speaker 1: right now. But we're gonna be able to pull it out.
Speaker 1: I got videos and all that. You can see all
Speaker 1: that a matter of fact, it plays on Fox Soul.
Speaker 1: The documentary All that shows at the Peppermint Louse. But
Speaker 1: in New York Lower East side of the Canary Club
Speaker 1: in Newark. Oh yeah, a big shot to do it
Speaker 1: all too. He running for city council, you know, shout
Speaker 1: out to the commission to I'm part of something called
Speaker 1: the commission. So it's Eddie Milton, Senator Eddie Milton of Gary,
Speaker 1: Indiana about the renaissance that congressman and j Carson the
Speaker 1: OSG with Dennis mckethey mainly he created all these principles
Speaker 1: so that my man Taj for therapy and therapist and
Speaker 1: Melanie Um uh Dr parnell You see her on CNN
Speaker 1: every single day, black woman doctor that she could play
Speaker 1: Dame Dare. She's the illest. She got that swag. I
Speaker 1: would never argue with her and Bishop parnell Um and
Speaker 1: uh and do it all, you know, and uh, we're
Speaker 1: part of something called the commission, and we get together,
Speaker 1: we deal with things, and you know, laws get passed,
Speaker 1: you know, like they don't teach us how to be
Speaker 1: politicians at school or how to live before a law. Like,
Speaker 1: think about it. Every law that was passed mostly was
Speaker 1: passed a hundred years ago, ninety years ago, whatever it
Speaker 1: was by people that had slaves. So anyone that had
Speaker 1: a slave should not be able to pass a law.
Speaker 1: So all laws are defunk right now. They all need
Speaker 1: to be done over. But we complain and ship. But
Speaker 1: the only way to make something legal is to make
Speaker 1: it a law. So literally, I could be talking to
Speaker 1: Eddie Milton, he listens, he go drafts that shut up
Speaker 1: and I've seen him go pass laws just based on
Speaker 1: our conversations. And that's the circle you want to be
Speaker 1: around people like that. The olasg on Tuesdays, they or
Speaker 1: what's always the Thursdays? Today Thursday? So today at seven thirty,
Speaker 1: a principal will have a TV show one because these
Speaker 1: are the people that need to be celebrated and we
Speaker 1: gotta stick together and showcase that. They never showcase when
Speaker 1: we're helping each other, they don't show. Now there's always
Speaker 1: g thing again a hundred like like Principle, I got
Speaker 1: a book coming out even just on Ellen or type
Speaker 1: of ship. Right in princibles, I do principal summits. I
Speaker 1: do a class every Tuesday, and and and and teach
Speaker 1: the principles or about how to be entrepreneurs so they
Speaker 1: can show their kids. They don't built data studios and
Speaker 1: West Side High and all these different um in the
Speaker 1: bronx um Um, all these different schools. They don't write
Speaker 1: about that ship at all in the newspaper. They know
Speaker 1: about it, they all my grant, but they never talked
Speaker 1: about that ship. I could walk into a glass wall.
Speaker 1: They put that ship all over. I have a fight
Speaker 1: with somebody in my culture, they put that all. I
Speaker 1: go to court. I don't pay a bill. But whenever
Speaker 1: we're doing something that's really really good and they know
Speaker 1: about it, like I've had my publicists pushed the stories
Speaker 1: and no one take it. But when I asked me
Speaker 1: my opinions on Homie all day, why they don't showcase
Speaker 1: that Because they won't and I don't expect them to.
Speaker 1: I'm not mad. So I got my own network, make
Speaker 1: my own magazines, make my own movies again own. We
Speaker 1: gotta own we gotta be the landlords. We can't be
Speaker 1: mad at them about their rules in their house. We
Speaker 1: gotta build our own house. Period. There's no other way.
Speaker 1: Fitting in will not work. You can't expect your oppressor
Speaker 1: to let you out of jail. The war and they're
Speaker 1: gonna get you the keys, especially when it's making the money.
Speaker 1: You know, prisoners are private sector. They're mostly owned by
Speaker 1: people that don't give a funk about anything but the money.
Speaker 1: They want to keep you in there. It's about that
Speaker 1: bad that the government pays for. Why was somebody to
Speaker 1: own the jail? Want people to stop committing crimes. They
Speaker 1: want to build a bigger jail, a hotel for slavery
Speaker 1: legal like why you did? Why? Like why it ain't? No,
Speaker 1: it should be therapists all over the jail. So did
Speaker 1: you get there soon? As you gotta charge? You should
Speaker 1: have a therapist the traumas we got you there in
Speaker 1: the first place. I'm telling you it's the program. But
Speaker 1: again I again, I'm like, yo, that was a good play.
Speaker 1: You know, when you're playing somebody in chest or somebody
Speaker 1: in basketball, if they gotta l move where they prepared after,
Speaker 1: if they beat you by Yo, that was ill. I
Speaker 1: just gotta get better. That's us. We're so mad that
Speaker 1: they prepared. Now we gotta get prepared. That's we should
Speaker 1: be more mad that were not prepared. This is the
Speaker 1: time to really get together and talk it out. Make
Speaker 1: a plan. Plans don't happen overnight. You gotta sit down
Speaker 1: and really write them. Ships out. So you know when
Speaker 1: I remember, like when when I spoke to you about
Speaker 1: the league, I didn't. I didn't really talk to you. First,
Speaker 1: I sent you at that. I had to give a
Speaker 1: visual and now I gotta talk about how to be
Speaker 1: an owner. I had to study this ship. You can't
Speaker 1: just say I want to be an owner of a
Speaker 1: team and then just you know, you end up losing everything.
Speaker 1: We gotta study, study the craft and a lot of
Speaker 1: things that we think we can't do or we're not
Speaker 1: allowed to do. If you read defined print, you could
Speaker 1: do it. That's what they do. They read defined print.
Speaker 1: Just gotta study to work at The best team is
Speaker 1: the most prepared team. Look at life like you look
Speaker 1: at sports. The one that is the most disciplined has
Speaker 1: the best workout. You know, most of the time, the
Speaker 1: people that are successful aren't the best at what they do.
Speaker 1: They just are the best at working, the hardest at
Speaker 1: what they do, the discipline. But if you're not doing
Speaker 1: something you love, you ain't gonna want to do it.
Speaker 1: So you have to find what you love, something you
Speaker 1: would do for free, and then that's what you do
Speaker 1: every day all day. Get paid for doing something you
Speaker 1: would do for free, like basketball. Like, I know, you
Speaker 1: gotta be laughing more. Fucker's breaking their leaving their Achilles
Speaker 1: tendants on the court for no money, just for fun.
Speaker 1: We gotta do it for a job, our job. But
Speaker 1: these y'all getting paid man, right, My fucker is doing
Speaker 1: that ship hurting themself like the healing, and they gotta do.
Speaker 1: They gotta pay for it when they get and miss
Speaker 1: work and be uncomfortable and all that for fun. Right,
Speaker 1: Well that's why I love gaming. I love to see
Speaker 1: all the kids that would they thought they was gonna
Speaker 1: be losing because they played video games, man is now
Speaker 1: because they're making money at what they are. Mostly Like
Speaker 1: my son used to be like, oh he has a
Speaker 1: d D. And I'd be like, there's no way he
Speaker 1: has a d D. He plays video games. He's focused
Speaker 1: all day long when he plays. He just doesn't focus
Speaker 1: on what he don't like periods. That's not a d D.
Speaker 1: That's I'm not dealing with that. I don't have to
Speaker 1: pay attention to you. That's all period So find something
Speaker 1: that makes you focus. Like you know, people gamble, they
Speaker 1: don't feel time. You're in the club. All of a sudden,
Speaker 1: the clubs over you having fun you Like, damn, that
Speaker 1: ship was five hours already. M M, that's a long time.
Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm fifty. I'm not having so much fun.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't be fifty. I'm fifty, man, that
Speaker 1: should bugged me out. I'm having too much fun. Like yo,
Speaker 1: my run is just begun, and I've been having fun
Speaker 1: the whole time, my whole adult life. I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know. I was a Mogil hip hop Mogil twenty one.
Speaker 1: That dream came true. Like most people still trying to
Speaker 1: be hip hop Mogil is like fifty. Just I got
Speaker 1: that out my system, off the red. I want to
Speaker 1: make sure you're getting paid for this. No, I do
Speaker 1: the alle some good ass water. But yeah, give me
Speaker 1: the top five lyricis of all time. I can't do it.
Speaker 1: Give me five. Not the gotta be one two, three, four, five.
Speaker 1: You like, here's five you listen to. I'm not doing
Speaker 1: that one. I'm fifty, bro, Like you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You have to ask me, like what decade do you talk?
Speaker 1: I've been there. I'm fifty. I've been doing this since
Speaker 1: something like nineteen oh yeah, like eighteen. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you. I'll tell you this. The one person that
Speaker 1: I think that the world didn't really get to like
Speaker 1: could have had that chip is Jail Electronic mm hmm.
Speaker 1: I wish that. You know, he owes me an album.
Speaker 1: He has an album. I have an album with him
Speaker 1: that he needs to put out at some point. But
Speaker 1: you know, that was one dude that I was begging
Speaker 1: to come out, like yo, bro, I didn't want to
Speaker 1: just come out because he was that good when that
Speaker 1: when he was rocking him back when I forgot that
Speaker 1: ain't done. So there's certain artists that I'm like, but
Speaker 1: you know, he's an artist, so you can't really knock
Speaker 1: it like that's interesting within itself, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So there's certain artists that I feel should be way
Speaker 1: more known, that are really good lyrically that I would say,
Speaker 1: like a lot of some artists that I would say
Speaker 1: that you never never came out. But I've seen so
Speaker 1: many different rappers, you know, life like today because even
Speaker 1: the rappers now you, you'd be surprised, which was just
Speaker 1: out of respect and that are know that I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give the game for free because I don't think an
Speaker 1: o G should charge you for advice. That's your job.
Speaker 1: Anybody that charges for advice is not an o G.
Speaker 1: He's not. He's more of an asshole. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like you pupposed to get out of way. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'll gott weight. Uh look look, but um, you know
Speaker 1: it's funny. I was gonna puck this one out the
Speaker 1: window and I was like, I'm gonna need this sho.
Speaker 1: I gotta fresh for right here from this and I
Speaker 1: gotta hit it. I will, but I you know it's
Speaker 1: a special blend that I'm very partickle about the week
Speaker 1: this year. But smoke, but probably know I don't want
Speaker 1: I don't want you to feel pressure to do anything. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: don't tin gonna hit you a little different. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: seven leaves is no O G. It's OK. Stuck on
Speaker 1: the island. Three shows or movies, You're watching on repeat. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm always on It depends on who I'm with the
Speaker 1: last time I was. But I'm by myself. Why would
Speaker 1: I go to island? Man? Just answer the question. I'm
Speaker 1: not Lenny Kravitz. I'm answering the question. Come on, ship,
Speaker 1: you got three movies to show, you go watch? I
Speaker 1: love this? Why would go by myself? Probably like scar
Speaker 1: facing god Father? You know, if I'm by myself, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna watch some gangster ship. But if I'm on the
Speaker 1: island like full of Girls, I probably watched The L
Speaker 1: Word or something like that. I mean, it depends on
Speaker 1: my company. But if I'm by myself, I usually watch
Speaker 1: gangster ship, some sick documentaries. Yes, that's happy the same
Speaker 1: way too. Should I rather just watch myself? To anybody?
Speaker 1: The gangster joint? Like when I'm like usually like if
Speaker 1: I ever have this doesn't happen in a while, but
Speaker 1: you know where like there'll be a Sunday and they're
Speaker 1: playing like the Godfather, I'll be stuck the whole day.
Speaker 1: Once upon a time in America, Yeah, like nighttime when
Speaker 1: Rocky falls asleep, that's when I get to watch like
Speaker 1: all my knarcos, and I like Peaky Blinders, Peaky Blinds
Speaker 1: that I can't wait for the new season. You know,
Speaker 1: I know that real family. Yeah you know Tyson, Tyson Furies,
Speaker 1: that's his family. Really, you see they say the Furies right, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: they referenced the Furies. That's his family. M hmm. Now
Speaker 1: and that ship is dope, is it? Ship? Me is dope.
Speaker 1: That's so dope. So I don't know the Fury, but
Speaker 1: I know that like the other I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: But but like when I was watching, I said, I
Speaker 1: bet that's about them, and that was I was like,
Speaker 1: oh ship, but they fresh on there too. I've actually designed,
Speaker 1: but I just you know, I designed everything away. I
Speaker 1: usually designed, but I just designed. I've been inspired. I've
Speaker 1: designed suits based on Peaky blind College around. And I
Speaker 1: also used to watch The gold Father. If you look
Speaker 1: at the Goldfather suits and the Goldfather crazy, so like,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm meant the fashion right. So I used
Speaker 1: to like, I have a bunch of old movies because
Speaker 1: back in the day, that's when everybody used to wear suits.
Speaker 1: And if you look at the suits in the old movies,
Speaker 1: motherfucker's suits is cold cold. So I always watched old
Speaker 1: movies to get inspired to make you know what I
Speaker 1: do because I make suits, I make everything, but I
Speaker 1: just do it in a way like it's more boutique
Speaker 1: for for like like for me, I don't know that.
Speaker 1: Like I feel like I'm more like Vinyl, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like, I don't want to be so
Speaker 1: pop cultural. To me, that gets kind of like I
Speaker 1: don't want everybody. I want you to be in the know.
Speaker 1: I want, like I said, I wanted to be a
Speaker 1: certain level of fan, a smart, cultured sort of a following.
Speaker 1: Like again, all that matters to me is I'm celebrated
Speaker 1: by my family, which is my culture. So as long
Speaker 1: as I'm famous there for doing certain things, that's all
Speaker 1: I want. So I guess the point I was making
Speaker 1: is a lot of what I do is not meant
Speaker 1: for everybody, like damn everything, because I've already tried to
Speaker 1: speak people that just don't talk boss. They talk slave,
Speaker 1: and I can't talk slave, and I don't expect them
Speaker 1: to talk boss. I don't understand slave. I don't expect
Speaker 1: them to understand boss. You know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: at first, I did, you know, being young and being
Speaker 1: like oh, when I get to this level. I'm expecting
Speaker 1: people to be so much better than me because they've
Speaker 1: done it, you know. I'm looking at people on TV
Speaker 1: and and when I get to these big corporations, I'm like,
Speaker 1: just this who's running this ship all this time? Very disappointing.
Speaker 1: So I learned really early. M Like, I think about
Speaker 1: all the things I did with using other people's money,
Speaker 1: are working with bigger corporations, but really think about everything
Speaker 1: I've done on my own. And for me, it was
Speaker 1: I wasn't winning unless I did it on my own.
Speaker 1: That was the challenge to myself because I already got
Speaker 1: there the other way so fast. It's so easy to
Speaker 1: you know, work with them, and but you gotta sert
Speaker 1: it's not easy because you gotta serve up your culture.
Speaker 1: Like what I was finding on the other side is
Speaker 1: the more I served up my culture, the more I
Speaker 1: was being celebrated. And I was like, once I became
Speaker 1: aware of that, you can't look the other way. I
Speaker 1: just think that's the problem. People look the other way,
Speaker 1: and I just don't. I can't thank you. Sure, the
Speaker 1: funniest thing that's happened to you recently, someone of your
Speaker 1: one of your friendsis did or something funny thing happened
Speaker 1: to me as Nicola, what I do stupid lately? We
Speaker 1: do a lot of stupid ship at the nine o'clock. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's just probably walking to the glass I walked. That
Speaker 1: was the funny ship to you that she found that funny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I walked in. It was I was that was I
Speaker 1: was saying. I was, So this is what happened. Right,
Speaker 1: So I had They had given me an ice coffee,
Speaker 1: and we was going to do an interview with an
Speaker 1: artist that I worked with, Hassan, and it was with
Speaker 1: the dude that made unturage. I was doing him a favor,
Speaker 1: but I didn't realize they were live. So I was
Speaker 1: late because I was doing something else. So we got there.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to leave the coffee in there, because
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to pick up one coffee,
Speaker 1: you know whatever, So I took it to throw it away.
Speaker 1: So I'm walking with the dog and I'm walking and
Speaker 1: they got all the cameras on me. They care you
Speaker 1: could google it because it was like on TMG. So
Speaker 1: and I walked right into the fucking wall boat. But
Speaker 1: I did it so cool that I edited it up
Speaker 1: myself and put it out just to see if and
Speaker 1: like I said, if you google it, Damon walks into
Speaker 1: a fucking wall, but actually has a TV show where
Speaker 1: it showcases it's like some like Larry David kind of ship,
Speaker 1: but it will be not like Larry David. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, sarcastic. He's more sarcastic dude. And it comes
Speaker 1: on Fox. So I think next week or the week
Speaker 1: after and that that scene is in it. It was
Speaker 1: like almost like it was written for it. But I
Speaker 1: did walk into that glass. Thanks for that. He was
Speaker 1: feeling good. He was feeling good, he said, was funny
Speaker 1: to you, but it was funny. It was hilarious. Actually
Speaker 1: five dinner guests dead or alive. Mm hm Yashua. I'd
Speaker 1: like to talk to him. That's the name of Jesus,
Speaker 1: I know, you know, I picked it up. Um probably Moses. Um.
Speaker 1: I would really like to have a conversation with Bob
Speaker 1: Marley and Jimmy Andricks. I never had conversations with him,
Speaker 1: and I never got to see them perform live, so
Speaker 1: I'd be real intrigued by that. Uh, what's the dr name?
Speaker 1: Was a Hannibal that was right in the Elephants that
Speaker 1: was warring everybody. I would definitely love to kick it
Speaker 1: away Aheadible Malcolm x Martin, Luther, King to hell. But
Speaker 1: tell you, oh, King cut, I want to talk to
Speaker 1: King tutt m damn it. I need to talk to
Speaker 1: Alexander the Great Julius Sees. I want to talk to him.
Speaker 1: There you go, who do you want to smoke with it? Well,
Speaker 1: all the people, all of them by Morley if I could,
Speaker 1: that's it, Mary and Jimmy and Ricks we wrote it.
Speaker 1: That would be crazy dude, right, But girls, Janis Joplin,
Speaker 1: I would love to myself just funny you say that
Speaker 1: she's from my hometown put Texas. Yeah, she's rock and
Speaker 1: uh Elvis, I'd be like, yo, you, I want to
Speaker 1: have it. I want to have like a dance off
Speaker 1: when you stole my ship. But I would want to
Speaker 1: talk to him because he was He was cool though,
Speaker 1: but he was still kind of racist for her. But huh.
Speaker 1: Other than that, you know, let me ask this question.
Speaker 1: I want I want this opinion on this. What was
Speaker 1: your opinion on part um? I was like in the
Speaker 1: middle of what was going on with pot Again, it
Speaker 1: was a sad thing, but it wasn't a surprising thing,
Speaker 1: you know, so again, you know us, we was looking
Speaker 1: at it like damn, he's powerful, but he was causing
Speaker 1: a lot of problems, you know, with with the East
Speaker 1: West Ship, and it was just like it was it
Speaker 1: was the way they wanted it to happen. And that's
Speaker 1: where they had me tight. You know. It was like
Speaker 1: they it was like they wanted that crash. That was
Speaker 1: like a big advertisement for what happens if you have
Speaker 1: a voice, and I didn't. I didn't. I didn't think
Speaker 1: he deserved that narrative for them, you know. But it's
Speaker 1: almost like for me, he he almost knew what was
Speaker 1: going to happen, and to me, that's why he was
Speaker 1: making so many records so his voice would still be
Speaker 1: here when he was not so like to me, he
Speaker 1: was preparing for that, and I was just wondering, like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just for me, sustainability is important, right
Speaker 1: and maybe that comes from you know, hustling, Like how
Speaker 1: do I never go to jail? And that's that's what
Speaker 1: I'm always thinking about. Did you ever listen Rosit in
Speaker 1: the car and popping the Tupac tape? I was, I
Speaker 1: was in the East Coast, and you know, it was
Speaker 1: a little friction there. But yeah, actually, yeah, hell yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah we all listened about No, you can't deny you
Speaker 1: have from quick some flarer ship bats that should. I
Speaker 1: really like to know that, because, like I said that,
Speaker 1: that's why I had turned real. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: you gotta respect motherfucker's music. Yeah, you know, any any
Speaker 1: any tragic ending. It's always like the wid if right,
Speaker 1: and you know, people evolve like I'm a completely the
Speaker 1: same but different person than I was twenty years This
Speaker 1: is me twenty years later. And I'm lucky enough to
Speaker 1: have documented every part of my life and also so
Speaker 1: I could see myself at twenty thirty, forty and fifty.
Speaker 1: You know, my my my photo album is you know, televised.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean at any decade for the
Speaker 1: last three or four I'm never certain ways. Last question,
Speaker 1: but before I go to this last question, we got
Speaker 1: something for you, bro, and then you come and lead
Speaker 1: them to hand it. We got all the smoke backpack
Speaker 1: with some gear. Who made this? This is uh what's
Speaker 1: the name. It's a black company that I work with
Speaker 1: out of North Carolina. Why am I forgetting this day
Speaker 1: right now? You're going on your business high blame it
Speaker 1: on the way, not my heart. Yeah, all the smoke store,
Speaker 1: you can go get it. We got everything, hats all
Speaker 1: type of business. You see me with it on looking
Speaker 1: fly the same. I got something. I got something awhere
Speaker 1: this way right now. I love when you get something
Speaker 1: to like know what I've been looking for this color
Speaker 1: right here. Shout out to the CEO Gil, thank you.
Speaker 1: I got. I got some shoes and some girl from
Speaker 1: him that he blessed me with. So we didn't go
Speaker 1: to the gallop. Actually I laid shut up. I come
Speaker 1: to the old ship Fox with you. That's why I
Speaker 1: with you. Last question, man, it's going to knock just
Speaker 1: from now. If you can have if you can have
Speaker 1: a guest on All the Smoke, who would it be?
Speaker 1: But before you answer your question, you have to help
Speaker 1: us get your answer on this show. I want you
Speaker 1: to get Jerry Jones on the show. Mm hmmm. So
Speaker 1: you gotta help us, I am. I just called him out.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I got some questions for him too. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: cowboy friend, I got questions for him too. I just
Speaker 1: want to know why I ain't no black owners. That's
Speaker 1: all we know why. No, I want to know why
Speaker 1: he justifies it. His You know, I tried to buy
Speaker 1: the Raiders and uh you know when they were moving
Speaker 1: to Vegas. I actually called the president and all that
Speaker 1: quote ray Lewis we saw getting money together. You know,
Speaker 1: raise a powerful guy. Nobody knows what he's doing mine
Speaker 1: this scene. I don't even know if I can speak
Speaker 1: on it, but he'd be trying to do ship. You know,
Speaker 1: he tried to buy a team. They wouldn't let him
Speaker 1: buy it. He had the bread. How could you not
Speaker 1: let ray Lewis buy it too? Like? How do you
Speaker 1: justify that? How do you can't even think he's not
Speaker 1: How could you do that? That's you know, that's crazy,
Speaker 1: you know. So it's like I just want to know why, right,
Speaker 1: I want to be an industry conqueror. I think I've
Speaker 1: done that, or at least change things, at least change
Speaker 1: the way we're treated. So you know, hopefully he hears me.
Speaker 1: M M, well man, we want to thank you for
Speaker 1: your time. True lessons. One more thing, HBU. I don't
Speaker 1: like the way they treat that was that the HB
Speaker 1: I want to say, right the HBCU. I don't see
Speaker 1: no more gramming games. These kids aren't getting covered. Only
Speaker 1: one go to the league, and I want to do
Speaker 1: something there as well, So stay tuned every time that
Speaker 1: I'm hearing that a lot. But it's just the thing
Speaker 1: about me is just when things bother me, I can't
Speaker 1: just hear all this complaining all the time, and I'm
Speaker 1: seeing all of us so damaged and bruised behind it.
Speaker 1: It's like everybody that comes out professional league is like
Speaker 1: kind of funked up a little bit for real, And
Speaker 1: a lot of it is over the trauma that comes
Speaker 1: with being a professional. And why why when your dreams
Speaker 1: come true for doing something you love, you gotta end
Speaker 1: up damage. So we gotta change that ship. But again,
Speaker 1: we gotta change that ship. They're not going to change it,
Speaker 1: and talking about it ain't gonna do it. All it
Speaker 1: does is say it's just flagrant to when you when
Speaker 1: people recognize your concerns and you're giving me your boundaries
Speaker 1: and they still violate. Why I keep asking, So I
Speaker 1: just want to I just want to give it a track.
Speaker 1: You know, nothing matter that. We appreciate your time, a
Speaker 1: legend in the space. Yeah, obviously, your your your your
Speaker 1: contributions to society, to our culture in particular, man, And
Speaker 1: it's been incredible man, and have you take time to
Speaker 1: sit down on our show man, it means a lot
Speaker 1: to us. Can I ask one question? How strong is
Speaker 1: the plug? Is? Show? You could do whatever you want?
Speaker 1: Over there, we're doing some things. Pass the plug. Let's talk.
Speaker 1: I just like you know. I'm telling you I got
Speaker 1: you should should didn't make a move. Let's talk. We
Speaker 1: got we got some things cooking. They must you're killing
Speaker 1: it right over here. You must be yeah, definitely, yeah,
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