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Speaker 1: Live from Atlanta. This is a special edition of Sound

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Speaker 1: on the Georgia runoff election. I want you to vote

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Speaker 1: to vote like yesterday Sound on Politics, Policy and perspective

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Speaker 1: But unfortunately for Republicans, they've been listening to Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: talk about fraud and now getting out early. Well, we

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Speaker 1: need people to turn out that are willing to stand

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Speaker 1: in the reign if necessary. Windburg Sound On with Joe

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Speaker 1: Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. Here we go again. The runoff

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Speaker 1: is here. Welcome to the fastest hour in politics on

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Speaker 1: a special edition of Sound On Live from Atlanta. As

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Speaker 1: voters cast balanced across the state in this election that

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Speaker 1: of hershel Walker can upset the incumbent, who carries a

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Speaker 1: slight lead in the polls. Were joined by the man

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Speaker 1: in charge of the runoff coming up Georgia's Secretary of

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Speaker 1: State Brad Rafinsburger. Later our conversation with former Georgia Governor

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Speaker 1: Roy Barnes, the last Democrat to hold the corner office,

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Speaker 1: on the shifting political landscape in Georgia, and as Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump's company has found guilty of tax fraud today in

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Speaker 1: New York, will get analysis from our signature panel Bloomberg

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Speaker 1: Politics contributors Rick Davis and Jeanie Chanzano with us on

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Speaker 1: another election day, the candidates in Georgia's Senate runoff. We're

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Speaker 1: up and out early this morning here Senator Warnock, I

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Speaker 1: am fully acquainted with tired. But let me tell you

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Speaker 1: by herschel Walker for six years, he's been coming up

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Speaker 1: little murky out there today. And I'll tell you what,

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Speaker 1: having been at that rally with Senator Warnock last night

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Speaker 1: that'sk Tyler again, Well, I'm tired too. As herschel Walker,

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Speaker 1: he got up early. Isn't the many interviews with mainstream media.

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Speaker 1: answering questions about accusations from Senator Warnock that he does

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Speaker 1: his response, Well, we're gonna talk about in voting. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna write and voting and done. John, good job. I

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Speaker 1: think one of the best things we did is doing

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Speaker 1: right now is we're joined by the man at the

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Speaker 1: center of this runoff. It's it's his job to run it.

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Speaker 1: Georgia's Secretary of State, Brad Raethinsburger, finds himself doing this again.

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Speaker 1: Mr Secretary. Welcome back to Bloomberg Sound On. It's great

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Speaker 1: to have you on what I'm assuming is one of

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Speaker 1: the question everybody's asking, how's turnout? Turnouts good? It's moving through.

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Speaker 1: The longest line we had just a few minutes ago

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Speaker 1: the weather benefactor's secretary, you must be glad to see

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Speaker 1: What does that tell you, Having you've got recent experience

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Speaker 1: with this secretary, how does that compare to the runoff

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Speaker 1: to be called tonight? You've already been counting early votes. Well,

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Speaker 1: Why even have these runoffs at this point? Do they

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Speaker 1: But there'll be lots of other different options. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: At the end of the day, we want everyone to

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Speaker 1: actually audit this race. We're gonna do a wrisklement of

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Speaker 1: going into today has been that Democrats have the advantage.

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Speaker 1: But it was very possible and still is for Walker

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Speaker 1: to catch up. You know, I agree with Rick, they

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Speaker 1: needed probably closer to one point six one point seven

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Speaker 1: million out today to get there. But the math is there,

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Speaker 1: so conventional wisdom be damned, We've seen it before. He

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Speaker 1: still could take this thing. It's going to be a

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Speaker 1: close vote. Well, let's consider this for a moment here, Rick,

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Speaker 1: because obviously the voting is not done and anything could

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Speaker 1: happen here. How is herschel what what's the success story

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Speaker 1: for him? How is he picking people out of out

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Speaker 1: of the suburbs, in many cases rural areas, white Republicans.

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Speaker 1: How does he mobilize them today? Is that this check

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Speaker 1: on Joe Biden? Is that what the message comes down to? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: for sure, I think that, Uh, it's base Republicans turning

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Speaker 1: out because that's what they do, right. They want to

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Speaker 1: support anybody with a GOP sticker on them, and and

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Speaker 1: and they are fearful of you know, federal overreach sponsored

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Speaker 1: by you know, Joe Biden and the Democratic leadership in Congress,

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Speaker 1: I would say the one big disadvant image for herschel

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Speaker 1: Walker is that it doesn't make a difference in the

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Speaker 1: control the Senate his election. If if there was one

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Speaker 1: other race that had turned Republican and the story today

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Speaker 1: was Republican control or not, I think that would have

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Speaker 1: had a significantly different impact on turnout today. But he

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Speaker 1: felt one race short of having that wind at his

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Speaker 1: back about that, And yet people aren't walking around talking

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Speaker 1: about a power sharing agreement and what this means for

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Speaker 1: the committees in the Senate ge It just doesn't have

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Speaker 1: the mobilizing effect, does it. It does not, And that's

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Speaker 1: the question, you are you really going to get out

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Speaker 1: in the rain when it doesn't really matter to who's

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Speaker 1: going to control the Senate? And so, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: not really the check on Biden that conservatives may want.

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Speaker 1: So as much as people like Obama and others, even

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden have been talking about how important it is

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Speaker 1: too Democrats and Republicans on the other side, it's a

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Speaker 1: really hard in the Weeds case to make two people.

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Speaker 1: You know. The other thing I would just say is

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Speaker 1: we have you know, sort of all of us have

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Speaker 1: understd amiated Walker before I was just thinking back to

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Speaker 1: his performance in the debate. He did far better than

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Speaker 1: many people thought. He's performed better in the general election

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Speaker 1: than a Loffler did last time around. So he is

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Speaker 1: somebody who, despite all his flaws as his candidate and

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Speaker 1: a campaigner, has performed better than many people expected. And

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Speaker 1: so I really do think Democrats have to be very

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Speaker 1: careful about celebrating a bit too early. Now. I haven't

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Speaker 1: seen that badge around for a while, I'll say that much.

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Speaker 1: They were giving him out at the rallies for a minute.

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Speaker 1: But speaking of law enforcement, you heard me ask Brad

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Speaker 1: Raefensburg about this Donald Trump story. This is pretty big deal.

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Speaker 1: This would be our lead on any other day. Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump's company found guilty of engaging in tax fraud over

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Speaker 1: more than a decade, in which executives, including Alan Wiselberg,

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Speaker 1: evaded taxes on company paige perks like free apartments, like

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Speaker 1: luxury cars. Rick, you may have seen this coming. I

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Speaker 1: don't know, but but it's it's hard to place this

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Speaker 1: in the catalog of criminal cases against Donald Trump. How

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Speaker 1: big of a deal is this? And will he just

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Speaker 1: appeal it? You know, we've been talking about all these

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Speaker 1: cases all year I mean half a dozen major cases

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Speaker 1: against Donald Trump, and I would say this is the

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Speaker 1: least likely to do any damage to Donald Trump's political fortunes. Well,

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Speaker 1: he he used to brag as president about cheating on

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Speaker 1: his taxes, so, uh, if you know, believe what he

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Speaker 1: told us, right, he cheated on his taxes. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this basically was the easiest way to do it. He

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Speaker 1: he and his family will not have a specific prosecution,

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Speaker 1: but it certainly reinforces what we know about Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: which is, you know, if he can circumvent the law

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Speaker 1: in any way, he can um you know, he will.

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Speaker 1: I think today by the Justice Department of these subpoenas

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Speaker 1: that they're issuing in Arizona, Michigan, and Wisconsin of officials

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Speaker 1: you know, who are associated with the Trump campaign about

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Speaker 1: conversations they were having with Donald Trump as it relates

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Speaker 1: to the January six capital attack. I think that announcement

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Speaker 1: is much more impactful to Donald Trump because that is

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Speaker 1: a prosecution where Donald Trump himself be indicted. Fascinating, Uh,

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Speaker 1: and yes, how true, this is the special counsel making

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Speaker 1: that move. How how would you uh, how would you

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Speaker 1: analyze these genie that you know, people start to just

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Speaker 1: laugh when you start talking about court cases against Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: Does this have any impact on his campaign? You know,

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Speaker 1: I think it does. You know, I think it's this

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Speaker 1: culminating effect of losing, losing losing. He lost the mid

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Speaker 1: terms for Dempford Republicans. Rather he's losing court cases. Sure,

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Speaker 1: it's not going to take down the Trump organization. It's

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Speaker 1: not enough money, it's not him personally. Now you couple

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Speaker 1: that with the subpoenas that Rick was just mentioning. But

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Speaker 1: also let's not forget the January six Committee announced today

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Speaker 1: they are going to make criminal referrals to the Department

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Speaker 1: of Justice. You've also got several other you know, investigations

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Speaker 1: and lawsuits going forward. So to me, this does have

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Speaker 1: an impact because one thing Donald Trump doesn't want to

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Speaker 1: be known as as a loser. He lost today and

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Speaker 1: he may you know, keep losing, and that is a

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Speaker 1: big problem for him. To make this case that he's

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Speaker 1: gonna you know, win so much that will be sick

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Speaker 1: of winning. His supporters have got to be thinking, yikes,

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Speaker 1: you know, at what point did we start winning again?

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Speaker 1: Because I haven't done it lately. Well, yeah, you can

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Speaker 1: read about that on the terminal as well as Jennie mentions, Uh,

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Speaker 1: the jan six Committee, we'll recommend criminal prosecution for people,

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Speaker 1: possibly including Donald Trump. We don't know this yet, over

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Speaker 1: efforts to reverse the outcome of the election. Bennie Thompson

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Speaker 1: was already going there. The chair Liz Cheney wasn't so

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Speaker 1: sure about that. And it'll be very curious to see

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Speaker 1: how all of this adds up in the end. Our

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Speaker 1: signature panel continuing here on Bloomberg Sound On, Rick Davis

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Speaker 1: and Jennie Chanzano with us. This is Bloomberg So Long

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Speaker 1: with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. As the world watches

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Speaker 1: Georgia for the way forward in Washington. Welcome to Bloomberg

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Speaker 1: Sound Honest US an edition live from Atlanta on this

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Speaker 1: run off election day as we try to bring you

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Speaker 1: a range of voices from across the state to help

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Speaker 1: frame this contest. That's our job, this contest and what

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Speaker 1: it will bring. And we're joined out by Georgia's former governor,

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Speaker 1: Roy Barnes. Governor, Welcome to Bloomberg. It's great to have you. Well.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. You were the most recent Democrat to serve

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Speaker 1: in the Governor's mansion here in Georgia. Knowing that Republicans

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Speaker 1: won every statewide race but one last month, Why is

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Speaker 1: this Senate race different? Well, there's several reasons is different.

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Speaker 1: Warnockfield Ruffiel. Warnock is one of is an extraordinary candidate

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Speaker 1: and herschel Walker, uh is not that great a candidate,

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Speaker 1: may be the worst I've ever seen. And so that is, uh,

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Speaker 1: one of the main reasons candidates do matter. And where

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Speaker 1: Warnock has been talking about messages of messages of health

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Speaker 1: care and controlling insulin costum trade and other things like that. Uh,

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Speaker 1: We're still waiting to see what herschel Walker would do

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Speaker 1: if he went to the United States Senate. And lastly,

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Speaker 1: we had uh, some crossover votes. About two hundred thousand

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Speaker 1: Republicans voted for Warnock as they voted for Brian Kemp

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Speaker 1: our incumbent governors. So all of those things I believe

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Speaker 1: will make this a different outcome. I'm assuming that that

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Speaker 1: you're going to tell me Senator Warnock wins this runoff.

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Speaker 1: Here he did win. We should know the general by

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Speaker 1: thirty seven thousand votes, but of course the runoff has

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Speaker 1: triggered either way. You're suggesting then that it is candidate quality,

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's less about issues, less about the balance

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Speaker 1: of power in Washington. No, I think it's a dumb

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Speaker 1: think it's about the balance of power, definitely, But I

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Speaker 1: do think that it's about Uh, there are some issues,

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Speaker 1: and like I said, Warnock is no one's talking about

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Speaker 1: hard issues. Uh, and Warnock is income. I think you

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Speaker 1: always have some uh you know, push from incumbency. I

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Speaker 1: think Warnock wins between three and five points. Okay, they

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Speaker 1: call it tonight or we have to wait till tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: you'll call it tonight. Uh. There was we had a

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Speaker 1: heavy early turnout, you know, one point eight me and

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Speaker 1: that's just unreal. I was electric governor in with less

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Speaker 1: than a million votes. I showed how much the state

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Speaker 1: state has grown. But you've got you've only got this

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Speaker 1: one race, and uh, the early votes should be prepped,

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Speaker 1: ready for scanning as soon as the polls. Indeed, So

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Speaker 1: what's happening beneath our feet here? You're you're talking to

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Speaker 1: a Yankee who came down to cover this race in

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Speaker 1: Georgia Governor. I keep hearing George is a purple state.

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Speaker 1: I keep hearing that Stacy Abrams reinvented the architecture here

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Speaker 1: for Democrats, but it's also looking pretty red when you

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Speaker 1: look at the results from last month. It is, and

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Speaker 1: it's not purple yet. I would call it a lighter

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Speaker 1: shade of reread it's it's it's not purple, it's it's

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Speaker 1: it's not pink, but it is a lighter shade of red.

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Speaker 1: And I think that the trend that is in is

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Speaker 1: to make it a purple state. And I think that

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Speaker 1: happens in the next four years, four to six years.

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Speaker 1: I think that happens. And the main reason is the

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Speaker 1: Atlanta region is such a growth region and it attracts

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Speaker 1: people from all over the country and a lot of

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Speaker 1: those people are younger UM. And what's happened is it's

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Speaker 1: primary earlier because of Donald Trump. UM, highly educated, college

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Speaker 1: educated women. We're fearful of Trump and he's they've he

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Speaker 1: almost single handling, has moved them to the Democratic side,

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Speaker 1: or at least to the independent where you can you

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Speaker 1: can get them to, you can persuade them. And so

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Speaker 1: that's the reason that it makes Georgia uh in play nationally,

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Speaker 1: and it will it will take a little longer time,

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Speaker 1: but it'll make Democrats statewide in play again. It goes

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Speaker 1: back to Canada quality and issues and people that think

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Speaker 1: that you can just depend on demographic trends and party identification.

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Speaker 1: They're wrong. And the most important people in Georgia right

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Speaker 1: now are the ten to twelve that labeled themselves independent

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Speaker 1: and that they and go either way. That's when these

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Speaker 1: two campaigns are chasing. Certainly, I'm assuming in your time,

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Speaker 1: Roy Barnes as governor, you met herschel Walker. Going back

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Speaker 1: to your time, he was a huge star right as

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Speaker 1: as a as a celebrity athlete. What did you make

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Speaker 1: of him in person? Well, I met him, and of

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Speaker 1: course I'm graduate of the University of Glids. I love

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Speaker 1: herschel as football player. I'm concerned at that and being

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Speaker 1: a United States Senator. He's a personable guy. Uh and uh,

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Speaker 1: but he's just not He's not been here for twenty

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Speaker 1: five years. I mean, you know, he moved to Texas

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Speaker 1: and we haven't seen him on a regular basis for

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Speaker 1: twenty five years. And then you know, last year he

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Speaker 1: comes up and he says you're gonna run for the

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Speaker 1: United States Senate, pushed by Donald Trump, and none of

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Speaker 1: that has helped. Governor. I know you were ahead of

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Speaker 1: your time when you took executive action to remove the

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Speaker 1: Confederate battle emblem from the Georgia state flag. It was

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Speaker 1: considered very controversial that and of course we've seen Domino's

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Speaker 1: fall ever since. Is it time now to end the

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Speaker 1: runoff election system? As as some remember that it was

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Speaker 1: created to suppress the black vote. Absolutely, and particularly in

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Speaker 1: the general election. There ought to be a you know,

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Speaker 1: a a floor. H North Carolina has a pretty good system.

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Speaker 1: They say that you have to get at least in

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Speaker 1: the primary, and I think it's forty five percent in

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Speaker 1: the general to avoid a runoff. But it's time. There's

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Speaker 1: no question. The runoff system was put in intree and

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Speaker 1: sixty four, uh, to suppress the black vote, to keep

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Speaker 1: it from as they called it back then, the block

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Speaker 1: vote African American vote from controlling elections. But listen, we're

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Speaker 1: way paced there. And uh, it's so a relic like

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Speaker 1: the Confederate flag that should be done away. Well, I

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Speaker 1: guess it didn't work though. Right here we are in

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Speaker 1: you've got two black nominees vying for a seat in

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Speaker 1: the United States Senate. Well that's true. Uh, it is true,

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Speaker 1: but it's still there, and it generally suppresses votes and

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Speaker 1: what happens is you can get folks to come back

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Speaker 1: out if you spend a hundred million dollars to get

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Speaker 1: them out. But where it hurts is in the dawn

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Speaker 1: ballot races that people forget about and you let a

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Speaker 1: very small minority come back to the polls and runoff

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Speaker 1: and act and become the majority. That's where it hurts.

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Speaker 1: Probably in these high stakes, high dollar races, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: have an effect, but it does on the lower, lower

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Speaker 1: ballot races. Farmer Georgia Governor Roy Barnes in a fascinating conversation, Governor,

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Speaker 1: I'm told I talk a lot, That's what I do

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Speaker 1: for a living. But if I had your accent, I

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Speaker 1: just keep talking and talking and listening to my voice.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for your insights. We'll reassemble the panel next

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Speaker 1: on this runoff election day. This is Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg.

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Speaker 1: Sound on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. If you

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Speaker 1: happen to be listening to us in Georgia and you

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Speaker 1: haven't voted yet, you know what you gotta do. Right,

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Speaker 1: come on, We're talking about this while you're waiting in line.

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Speaker 1: But you still have to finish the job, and we'll

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Speaker 1: be bringing your results later on this evening Daybreak Asia.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know, maybe tomorrow Daybreak Asia. That's the

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Speaker 1: thing we don't know. As we heard from the Secretary

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Speaker 1: of State himself, Brad Ravensburger, although Roy Barnes there, I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you what the former governor. He says, we get

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Speaker 1: a call tonight and we've heard that for more and

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Speaker 1: more people just comes down to turn out. As we

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Speaker 1: spend a couple of remaining moments here in some final

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Speaker 1: thoughts with our panel, we have to turn to what

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Speaker 1: happened today in Washington. Of course, the outcome of this

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Speaker 1: runoff election is going to send somebody to Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: To represent the state of Georgia. And there was an

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Speaker 1: important ceremony today, Congressional Gold Medal Awards ceremony at which

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Speaker 1: Capitol Police members who were working and in uniform and

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Speaker 1: in many cases fighting for their lives on January six,

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Speaker 1: we're honored and it was a dramatic moment. The family

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Speaker 1: of Officer Brian sick Nick, who of course died after

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Speaker 1: being injured in the attack, refused to shake the hand

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Speaker 1: of Senator Mitch McConnell. They went by one by one

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Speaker 1: by one, big double handshake with Chuck Schumer. This is

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Speaker 1: like a reception line. If you will write, you get

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Speaker 1: up to get the metal. Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer in

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Speaker 1: this order, Mitch McConnell, Kevin McCarthy, every one of them.

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Speaker 1: McConnell stuck his hand out and no one shook it,

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Speaker 1: refused to shake the hand of Senator Mitch McConnell, of course,

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Speaker 1: criticized for not denouncing President Trump at the time for

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Speaker 1: his role in the insurrection. And there's not a lot

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Speaker 1: of love lost there. He doesn't like Trump. Trump doesn't

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Speaker 1: like him. But this spilled into the hallway later. We

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Speaker 1: all saw the visuals, you know, and I wanted to

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Speaker 1: hear from someone like Mitch McConnell. He was asked about

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Speaker 1: it in the corridors following the snub. Here's the minority leader. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would respond by saying, today we gave the gold

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Speaker 1: medal to the heroes of January six. We admire and

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Speaker 1: respect them. They laid their lives on the line, and

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Speaker 1: that's why we gave a gold medal today to the

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Speaker 1: heroes of January six. That was it. Gladys sick Nick,

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Speaker 1: the mother of Officers. Sick Nick was asked by CNN

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Speaker 1: why she did not shake McCarthy's hand or McConnell's hand.

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Speaker 1: They're just two faced, she said. Rick Davis and Geennie

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Speaker 1: Chanzano with us. Was this a good moment in Washington, Rick,

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Speaker 1: or was this a troubled moment? Well, it's troubled because

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Speaker 1: the reason that everybody was gathered there is a good moment,

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Speaker 1: because there was a overwhelming recognition of the service and

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Speaker 1: sacrifice that these individuals and families made. McConnell deserve that.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's tough. Um, yes, he called January six

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Speaker 1: of violent insurrection at the time. Um, but he did

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Speaker 1: you know, he voted against the Trump impeachment. You know,

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Speaker 1: he voted against the January six committee formation. So look,

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Speaker 1: I mean, all these guys know when they make a vote,

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Speaker 1: there making some people happy, and they're making some people upset.

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Speaker 1: And and and I would say it's it's a little

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Speaker 1: bit sad that, um, that that we we saw this

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Speaker 1: kind of event today overall, But um, you know, I

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Speaker 1: think it should make Mitch McConnell and and and and

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Speaker 1: McCarthy think about what their relationship has been for the

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Speaker 1: last five years with Donald Trump. Yeah, yeah, it's not

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Speaker 1: just miss McConnell here, Jennie. Kevin McCarthy never looked so

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Speaker 1: uncomfortable I think in his life as he stood there

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Speaker 1: with the medal, and I mean they wouldn't even look

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Speaker 1: at him, never mind shake his hand. Was it deserved?

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Speaker 1: You know it was. These are leaders of a party

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Speaker 1: of which twenty one of their members in the House

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Speaker 1: refused to vote in favor of giving these police officers

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Speaker 1: these gold medals, these congressional medals. These are the leaders

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Speaker 1: of the party. You have people like Willie Gohmer who

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Speaker 1: goes to meet this uh, this Dr Simone Gold after

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Speaker 1: she's released from prison she was at January six. He

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Speaker 1: calls her a political prisoner and gives her a flag

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Speaker 1: that flew over the Capitol. This is the party they

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Speaker 1: lead and they have to be responsible for that, and

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Speaker 1: rightly so. A lot of lessons to be learned around here.

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Speaker 1: With the help of Rick and Genie, we can understand that.

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Speaker 1: Let's meet back here tomorrow we talk results and if

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Speaker 1: you haven't voted yet, get to it live from Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: I'm Joe Matthew. This is Bloomer