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Speaker 1: We're back here on the Giant Huttle Podcast. John Schmolke

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Speaker 1: with you and assigned for a rapid reaction the Giants

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Speaker 1: fall in. Boy, I'm gonna say, David, it's devastating fashion

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Speaker 1: to the Falcons here seventeen fourteen. A rapid reaction. John

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Speaker 1: Schmilk and David Deal. We're here in the Legacy Club

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Speaker 1: about an hour after this game ended. Dave, we'll get

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Speaker 1: in the specifics in a second, but first, just as

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Speaker 1: a player, you watch a game like that, what's your reaction?

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Speaker 1: You know, it's it's difficult to watch a game like

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Speaker 1: that because there were so many opportunities for the New

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Speaker 1: York Giants to take over this football game and capitalize

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Speaker 1: and build down momentum. But unfortunately the self inflicted wounds

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Speaker 1: were what caused them to continue to get backed up.

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Speaker 1: I mean, go to the first half, you have the

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Speaker 1: botched fumble, following when you have a false start. The

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Speaker 1: next play, you're staring down a third and twenty two,

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Speaker 1: and you're playing to this weakness of an Atlanta Falcons defense.

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Speaker 1: And now that they can play coverage on the back end,

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Speaker 1: when we knew we want to do a come on

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Speaker 1: the outside. So I think when you look at those

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Speaker 1: types of plays and then you look at the second half,

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Speaker 1: it's no coincidence that the Giants on both sides of

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Speaker 1: playing sound, fundamental football and just down to the basics blocking, tackling,

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Speaker 1: and communication. And you look at this game and you

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Speaker 1: watch it, Dave, the Giants. If you didn't look at

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Speaker 1: the score, you would have think the Giants won this game,

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Speaker 1: I think by a couple of scores. Just by watching

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Speaker 1: the flow of the game, they outgained the Falcons by

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Speaker 1: fifty yards. In the first half. The Falcons did when

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Speaker 1: I say nothing, I mean literally nothing offensively for the

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Speaker 1: first quarter and a half, and then all of a

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Speaker 1: sudden a halftime, you're down a point and then you

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Speaker 1: drop an interception in the end zone. Your punter can't

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Speaker 1: make them give him a long field. And it's a

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Speaker 1: game where I feel like, you know, last year, Dave,

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Speaker 1: this team they lost some games because the other team

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Speaker 1: was more talent than they were right, but they would

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Speaker 1: win on the margins in those games anyway, and they

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Speaker 1: would play teams close because they did all the little

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Speaker 1: things right. We're not seeing that this year, and the

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Speaker 1: Giants might be more talented, but now they're not doing

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Speaker 1: as many of those little things right at the right time,

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Speaker 1: no doubt about it. And I think that's where confidence

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Speaker 1: is built through repetition, especially when you're a professional athlete

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. You know, the biggest thing that you

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Speaker 1: want to do when you walk away from a game

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Speaker 1: single regret. You know the playbook out coold, you know

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Speaker 1: the defensive scheme, You're in shape, so fatigue isn't gonna

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Speaker 1: make you a coward in the fourth quarter. And that

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Speaker 1: allows you to walk away from a game in adverse

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Speaker 1: situations into building to learn from it. But when you

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Speaker 1: go into a game and you have next man up,

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Speaker 1: or you have different combinations on the offensive line, and

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Speaker 1: you don't have full confidence not only in just your

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Speaker 1: techniques and fundamentals, but in the game plan, that's where

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Speaker 1: some of those false starts happen. On the defensive side

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Speaker 1: Once again, it comes back to techniques and fundamentals, reading

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Speaker 1: hear if they're even they're leaving. And when you start

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Speaker 1: playing that type of game, the inside slant, you don't

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Speaker 1: Those are the things that make a difference between winning

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Speaker 1: team isn't doing it consistently enough to overcome those adverse times.

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Speaker 1: All right, we you talked about a Dave the two

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Speaker 1: down emotionally, and it builds for your football team, not

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Speaker 1: as an offensive line, have got to take over control

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Speaker 1: as an offensive line, knowing that the coordinator is gonna

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Speaker 1: He believes in us, he trusts in us. And when

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Speaker 1: you don't have the adverse, when you always say, when

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Speaker 1: successfully doing those things, it makes everything else easier. The

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Speaker 1: to the defensive side of the ball, Dave. We're seeing

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