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Speaker 2: On this Wednesday, Dan and the Dan Nets Dan Patrick Show.

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Speaker 2: No basketball tonight, but as we look ahead to Thursday night,

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Speaker 2: Game six, you have the Indiana Pacers at home as

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Speaker 2: six and a half point underdogs, And if you're curious,

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Speaker 2: the over under for Shay Gilgis Alexander is thirty three

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Speaker 2: and a half. It feels like it's been thirty three

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Speaker 2: or thirty four and a half every single game. Not

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Speaker 2: expecting a big scoring output for Tyrese Halliburton. The over

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Speaker 2: under right now according to DraftKings thirteen and a half

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Speaker 2: points eight, seven to seven to three. DP Show email

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Speaker 2: the Day has always brought to you by Panini America,

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Speaker 2: the official trading cards of the program. Congrats to the

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Speaker 2: Florida Panthers. This is how it sounded last night, down

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Speaker 2: to the final five seconds.

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Speaker 3: Thatt's rained down Lord Stanley's staying in South Florida last

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Speaker 3: year was greatness. This time it's historic. The Florida Panthers

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Speaker 3: hurt back to back. Stanley Doc Jippios.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess their play by play guy had plenty

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Speaker 2: of time to get ready for those final ten seconds

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Speaker 2: because they dominated it. You know, the statistical domination here.

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Speaker 2: So first back to back champs since the Lightning in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. But Florida held the lead for two

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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty five almost two hundred and fifty six

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Speaker 2: minutes of play during the Stanley Cup Final. That's the

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Speaker 2: most of any team in the history of the sport.

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Speaker 4: Stata, the J Stata, the JA we Love your Stata,

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Speaker 4: the day Stata, the J Stanta, the j oh damn

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Speaker 4: give us that stat of the day.

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Speaker 2: By the way Stata. That's Pandora. I just got some

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Speaker 2: gifts in the mail from Pandora, and she sent a

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Speaker 2: picture of her herself. She sent us some honey that

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Speaker 2: she made, some salsa that she made. And I think

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Speaker 2: when her picture came up on the screen when I

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Speaker 2: showed Pandora to the dan Eds, Marvin's the one who

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Speaker 2: guessed that that was Pandora. I think we were surprised

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Speaker 2: that that was Pandora. Yes, Marvin, were you because she

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Speaker 2: looks just like how I thought she would really m hm,

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Speaker 2: oh yeah, give us. I thought that she would be

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Speaker 2: thirty years older.

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Speaker 5: Like that.

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Speaker 2: I did not think that that was Pandora.

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Speaker 6: I think he looks like she's aging great and she

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Speaker 6: went to a little fair in nineteen ninety seven.

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Speaker 7: Agree, I think she looks great.

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Speaker 2: She looks a whole lot better than she sings. I

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Speaker 2: think we can agree on that now. I'm fine with

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Speaker 2: the voice. I'm fine with the you know, kind of

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Speaker 2: the seductive tone that he sultry. Yes, if we get

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Speaker 2: to Vegas, when we get to Vegas again, yeah, I

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Speaker 2: would like to get a piano and I would like

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Speaker 2: for her to be on top of the piano and

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Speaker 2: then just singing that to me as I play stat

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Speaker 2: of the day. It's all about content. Who's with me? Okay, Todd,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you are in Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Wait, huh yeah, team player, Okay, I'm minute for the Yeah,

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Speaker 7: it's it's content there, yes, Marmon.

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Speaker 6: But you can't put that type of content on YouTube.

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Speaker 2: Why not come with a warning?

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Speaker 6: Okay, oh, Dan give it.

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Speaker 2: She looks a whole lot different than I thought. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I thought she was going to be somebody my age.

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Speaker 8: It's really nice for her to send those gifts.

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Speaker 2: I was wonderful, you know, homemade salsa and honey they

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Speaker 2: got the Pandora hot honey.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I have their own ranch.

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Speaker 2: I'm all in, all in, thank you, Pandora. I'm very

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Speaker 2: sweet of you, very thought. Yeah, thank you to uh.

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Speaker 4: We love you status.

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Speaker 2: I think her husband encouraged her to sound that way.

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Speaker 6: Honey, that was great, but hotter.

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Speaker 2: Than yeah, more seductive, that would be great.

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Speaker 6: Give me Jewel Circle nineteen ninety eight. Come on, Jewel,

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Speaker 6: alrighty give me Lilith Fair, give me more Lilith.

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Speaker 2: I didn't think of Lilith Fair, but she sounds like Jewel. No,

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Speaker 5: Come.

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Speaker 2: Jewel is a great artist.

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Speaker 9: Oh.

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Speaker 6: I didn't say about the singing, but I I felt

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Speaker 2: Right, eight seven seven three DP show email address Dpadanpatrick

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Speaker 2: dot com, Twitter handle at DP show. We don't know

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Speaker 2: the status of Tyre's Halliburton and his strained calf. That's

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Speaker 2: the kind of thing that you normally sit out, you

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Speaker 2: don't know. I still don't understand why he played the

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Speaker 2: second half of that game knowing that you can come

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Speaker 2: now all bets are off when it's a game seven.

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Speaker 2: But Halliburton is probably going to be hampered. He can't

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Speaker 2: be one hundred percent, but you need him to be

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Speaker 2: at least seventy five percent because what And I was

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Speaker 2: watching this with a former coach and he was showing

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Speaker 2: me some things and he said, Halliburton will go east

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Speaker 2: more north to south. Sga goes north to south. He's

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Speaker 2: going to get in the lane. Halliburton has to go

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Speaker 2: somebody else who is going to have like TJ. McConnell

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Speaker 2: has to go north south. Halliburton can still be in

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Speaker 2: But that was a former coach, college coach who was

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Speaker 2: talking to me about that yesterday. Poll question hour two

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Speaker 2: Seaton is going to be what.

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Speaker 8: Our one we got up there today.

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Speaker 7: I feel bad for oilers fans Connor McDavid Canada or

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Speaker 7: Tyre's Halliburton.

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Speaker 2: Hm, I feel bad for Canada. I mean, at least

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Speaker 2: give you some drama, least give you a seven game series.

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Speaker 2: At least give you something where you you know what

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Speaker 2: we were in this you really weren't. As Steve Leeby

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Speaker 2: joined us. It was a six, six game sweep. That

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Speaker 2: was a real no show last night too. This was tough.

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Speaker 2: The last couple of games have been no shows. And

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Speaker 2: you know there's a big difference. You've got two great

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Speaker 2: players on one team and then you have a great team.

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Speaker 2: Florida is a great team top to bottom they are

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Speaker 2: and Marshand is wonderful to watch. He's just one of

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Speaker 2: those guys you want him on your team and you

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Speaker 2: don't want to play against him. But congrats as you

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Speaker 2: have entered the Dynasty conversation. By the way, Lebron James

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Speaker 2: was talking about how we're infatuated with winning championships. I

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Speaker 2: don't know what because there's always a message, you know,

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Speaker 2: with whatever he's saying, there's always something behind what he's saying.

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Speaker 2: So he's on his podcast, Mind the Game podcast with

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Speaker 2: Steve Nash, and he had this to say about our

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Speaker 2: obsession with chammpionship rings.

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Speaker 10: I don't know why I've discussed so much in our sport,

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Speaker 10: and why is the all be all of everything. You

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Speaker 10: sit here and tell me, you know, Alan I Everson

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Speaker 10: and Charles Barkley and Steve Nash, you know, you know,

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Speaker 10: wasn't unbelievable, like, oh, they can't be talked about or

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Speaker 5: Is because this guy.

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Speaker 10: One one ring or one two rings or one like it.

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Speaker 10: It's just weird to me. It's like Sam Peyton Manning

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Speaker 10: can't be in the same room with Brady or telling

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Speaker 10: me that Dan Marino is not the greatest slinger of

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Speaker 10: all time, or he can't be in a room with

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Speaker 10: those guys because he didn't win a championship. They don't

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Speaker 10: discuss those things. What's Lebron really saying here?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 2: I get the overall picture, and we've brought this up

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Speaker 2: many times that we are obsessed where a bottom line

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Speaker 2: sports society, and the bottom line is winning a championship.

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Speaker 2: And that's why I've been a big proponent of the

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Speaker 2: Buffalo bill greatness and the Minnesota Vikings back in the seventies.

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Speaker 2: They got to the Super Bowl, Yes, they lost, but

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Speaker 2: they got there, and there's something to be said for that.

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Speaker 2: But that's how we define greatness. It gets open to

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Speaker 2: interpretation until you get to the bottom line of winning championships.

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Speaker 2: If Tim Duncan's on another team doesn't win an NBA title,

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Speaker 2: is he a Hall of Famer? Is he one of

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Speaker 2: the top ten fifteen players of all time? Probably not.

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Speaker 2: But if you have those championships, I have to count those.

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Speaker 2: There are guys who have titles who aren't as good

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Speaker 2: as guys who don't have titles. You get elevated because

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Speaker 2: of your titles. Is Lebron saying just because I don't

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Speaker 2: have six titles doesn't mean I can't be the goat?

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Speaker 2: Now once again, I'm going to read into this a

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Speaker 2: little bit more because I don't think Lebron is just

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Speaker 2: sticking up for everybody on winning championships or not winning championships.

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Speaker 2: It feels like he might say, Hey, I got all

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Speaker 2: the stats, I've got everything, and I've got four titles.

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Speaker 2: I don't have six, but I've got four. Why can't

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Speaker 2: I be the greatest of all time? Whether he is

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Speaker 2: saying this or not, That's the first thing I thought of,

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Speaker 2: is what is the ulterior motive of saying this, Yes, Paul,

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Speaker 2: it felt.

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Speaker 5: More to me.

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Speaker 11: My first reaction was Lebron's just critiquing the extreme media

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Speaker 11: people that are end all be all with titles, with

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Speaker 11: people that if they don't have a title, they're a failure,

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Speaker 11: or a season without an appearance in a title game

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Speaker 11: is a failure. I thought he's calling out hot take

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Speaker 11: media people MM that he watches day to day or

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Speaker 11: listens to day to day.

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Speaker 2: That's another thing. If you don't like these hot take

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Speaker 2: guys like Charles Barkley couldn't stand Skip Bayless, then why

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Speaker 2: are you watching Skip Baylet's It's not like you go

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Speaker 2: and then you go, I can't get away from this.

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Speaker 2: You choose to turn on and listen to these guys? Yes, yes, time.

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Speaker 12: I mean you could always say someone told me or

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Speaker 12: it popped up on my phone. I wasn't seeking out

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Speaker 12: that I'll watch these shows. It was brought to my attention,

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Speaker 12: and that's how you hide behind that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but it feels like Charles Barkley was always watching

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Speaker 2: Skip Bayless because he hated Skip Bayless.

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Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, I could see maybe Charles was always watching

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Speaker 7: Skip Bayless because it seems like he would enjoy hate

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Speaker 7: watching somebody. But if you're somebody like Lebron James, I

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Speaker 7: do think that that type of media finds you, you know,

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Speaker 7: I don't think that he has to sit down, like

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Speaker 7: wake up in the morning, go down to his kitchen

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Speaker 7: and turn on whatever show is on.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I think that stuff just ends up in his phone.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's amazing what ends up on our phone.

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Speaker 8: Everything does.

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Speaker 2: Yes, because you don't have to watch a WNBA game,

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Speaker 2: but you're gonna be inundated with Caitlin Clark. Correct, even

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Speaker 2: if you don't, you're not you don't, you're not concerned,

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Speaker 2: you don't like you will get Caitlin Clark. I don't,

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Speaker 2: and especially this morning after there was a couple of

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Speaker 2: altercations in last night's game.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Seed, I don't watch the WNBA.

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Speaker 7: If truth be told, I'm nearly not all that interested

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Speaker 7: in Caitlyn Clark or like the rivalries or really any

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Speaker 7: of those storylines. I'm not all that interested in Angel

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Speaker 2: I had somebody from the Mothership who's a friend, and

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Speaker 2: You're serving them, but are you serving them or over

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Speaker 2: And you know, Caitlin Clark is going to get more

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Speaker 2: nobody's going to talk about how many points she scored

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Speaker 6: As Marv, nobody knew the Liberty was undefeated.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you're right, yes, yes, Ton.

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Speaker 12: It's also a societal thing and just the negative out

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's mandatory to end your news with

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Speaker 11: Yes, I worked down the hall at CBS News from

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Speaker 2: And then Dan Rather would say, courage. Yeah, that was weird. Courage,

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Speaker 2: up there. And mon, how are you today? I'm doing well,

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Speaker 2: I'm doing great. Can you explain to our audience the

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Speaker 14: When we talk about a calf stray, we talk about

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Speaker 14: there before that calf are always recovered. Right, You're putting

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Speaker 14: But when we talk about a game that's valuable and

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Speaker 5: Calf let you sit down.

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Speaker 14: I expect him to play, but its effectiveness throughout the game.

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Speaker 14: I don't think that Indiana should weigh in heavy on

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Speaker 5: I feel a little bit too early. But as a player,

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Speaker 14: Calf strain, you have a hamstring strain, you have to

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Speaker 14: kind of tell your guys, I don't all the way

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Speaker 14: But at the end of the game, I can't push

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Speaker 14: And I don't think that their teammate should expect anything

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Speaker 2: Who does Sga remind you of?

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Speaker 5: Ah?

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Speaker 14: Sga is He's one of those guys that he reminds

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Speaker 14: But if you really break his game down, is Kobe

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Speaker 14: it's it's it's pretty dead on with Kobe.

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Speaker 14: So you want to stay away from, you know, those

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Speaker 5: Not at all?

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Speaker 14: Kobe said what he needed to say, Well, I don't.

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Speaker 14: I wouldn't know. I never had a playoff war with him.

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Speaker 14: I've never gone back and forth with Kobe for a

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Speaker 14: So I don't know how people heard me tell that

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Speaker 14: The end of the we headed into the fourth quarter,

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Speaker 14: I'm playing really well.

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Speaker 5: I got stealed.

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Speaker 14: You know, I'm doing really well against him from my

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Speaker 14: all these positive things that I've done to play against this,

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Speaker 5: And my first reaction was, it's twelve.

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Speaker 14: Minutes, the most disrespectful thing anybody's ever said to me, Like,

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Speaker 5: Well it was either their last game or one of

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Speaker 14: and Kobe wasn't gonna, you know, go all out the

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Speaker 14: whole game. He was saving it for the last twelve

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Speaker 14: minutes to see if he could, you know, get another

435
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Speaker 14: win before they pack it up and go back to

436
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Speaker 14: LA And you know, understanding his professorism in that moment,

437
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Speaker 14: I didn't, which is you know why I told the

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Speaker 14: story so animated, But as the years have gone on,

439
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Speaker 14: you start to understand that these older players usually have

440
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Speaker 14: just been around the block a few times. They understand

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Speaker 14: when to turn it on, when to turn it off,

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Speaker 14: and they understand the longevity of the game. Kobe Bryan

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Speaker 14: is one of the most ultimate professionals that I've gotten

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Speaker 14: to go again.

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Speaker 2: Aman Sheumper played ten seasons in the NBA and he's

446
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Speaker 2: co host at ESPN's digital pregame show it's called Hoop Streams.

447
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Speaker 2: The chances for the Pacers to make this to a

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Speaker 2: game seven or what.

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Speaker 5: It's gonna be tough.

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Speaker 14: I think that they have done an incredible job with

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Speaker 14: making sure that they are in games for forty eight minutes.

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Speaker 14: The times that you think that you've put them away,

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Speaker 14: they find ways.

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Speaker 5: To cut the lead down.

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Speaker 14: They can rush through a ten point lead quicker than

456
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Speaker 14: anybody I've seen do it in the NBA, stringing together stops.

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Speaker 14: They doing a great job of pressuring the ball, pressuring

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Speaker 14: the inbounds passes, so I never feel like they're out

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Speaker 14: of a game. So I'm happy when they're going home

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Speaker 14: to Indiana. But I don't know how good these chances

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Speaker 14: can be. If Jalen Williams place like that, Jalen Williams

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Speaker 14: sees blood. I think that he's that previous year against

463
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Speaker 14: Dallas where he didn't have a great showing Game five.

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Speaker 14: He handled game five this year, and I can only

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Speaker 14: imagine that we're going to see more gas from his

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Speaker 14: foot as well as more gas from SGA, who made

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Speaker 14: a conscious effort to distribute the ball last game, responsible

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Speaker 14: for his own thirty, but also very responsible and conscious

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Speaker 14: effort to make sure he swung it around, made sure

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Speaker 14: guy's got good looks and guys got you know, a

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Speaker 14: couple of shots at the rim. A couple of those

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Speaker 14: assists didn't go down right away, but they were able

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Speaker 14: to get second chance rebounds due to them keeping the

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Speaker 14: balance floor. With those two playing like that, especially down

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Speaker 14: the stretch, and then playing small ball on the other

476
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Speaker 14: end to get stops, that is an extremely tough team

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Speaker 14: to beat, especially with chet Homer player well like that. Yeah,

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Speaker 14: that's in for a long night. I think this might

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Speaker 14: be over in six.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't sound like there's a long list of teams interested

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Speaker 2: in Kevin Durant. Why is that it does.

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Speaker 14: We're talking about a thirty six year old. You're talking

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Speaker 14: about somebody that has had to suffer an injury that

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Speaker 14: you know it takes a little while to come back

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Speaker 14: from when you have a major injury, start talking about

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Speaker 14: your age, you start talking about how much are you

487
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Speaker 14: really willing to give up to get a Kevin Durant.

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Speaker 14: I think that a team has to be trying to

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Speaker 14: move into the director direction of win now. And there's

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Speaker 14: a lot of teams that though they want to win now,

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Speaker 14: they also want the longevity of saying we have a

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Speaker 14: core group that can stay together, that can grow together.

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Speaker 14: And I don't know how much at this age you

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Speaker 14: can expect growth.

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Speaker 5: From a Kevin Durant. He sort of plays how he plays.

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Speaker 14: He wants what he wants, and yeah, with other teams,

497
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Speaker 14: they're expecting a lot. You got to give up a

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Speaker 14: lot to give him, and you're wondering what that return

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Speaker 14: is on. Somebody that you know had that similar chance

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Speaker 14: in Phoenix and they couldn't get over the hump.

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Speaker 2: Are you prouder of your NBA Championship or you're Dancing

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Speaker 2: with the Stars champion?

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Speaker 14: Well, my mother, my mother loves that Dancing with the

504
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Speaker 14: Stars trophy, but I will always love my NBA Championship

505
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Speaker 14: ring a whole lot more.

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Speaker 2: Can Lebron ever yell at you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 14: I think that one of my favorite things from playing

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Speaker 14: with Lebron was though he had his moments where he

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Speaker 14: would yell or he would give out a command, Lebron

511
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Speaker 14: is very principled on first command. So there's times that

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Speaker 14: we've yelled at him and his response to it is

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Speaker 14: a genuine energy burst for whatever you said he didn't do.

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Speaker 14: Like I've yelled Atbron and said, you know, you get

515
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Speaker 14: your ass back. I'll do what you I'll do what

516
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Speaker 14: you said down there, I got you, get your ass, bang.

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Speaker 5: And get the block when I go for the strip.

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Speaker 5: When he double clutch, you get the block.

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Speaker 14: And I think that's what makes him such a joy

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Speaker 14: to play with. He's willing to respond to an extra effort,

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Speaker 14: He's willing to do all that. But Lebron does demand.

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Speaker 14: He demands you to run hard. He demands you to

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Speaker 14: play hard, and you know.

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Speaker 5: If you run through a wall him that it's a

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Speaker 5: mutual respect on that end.

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Speaker 2: Is there anything he could do that would supplant Michael

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Speaker 2: Jordan as the greatest of all time in your opinion?

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Speaker 14: No, No, nothing Bron's I think Lebron is the greatest

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Speaker 14: of all time. He is the perfect example of a

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Speaker 14: basketball player. He has the physical makeup that nobody else

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Speaker 14: might ever get. You know, right hand, left hand, you

532
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 14: want drive, you want to jump shot, you want somebody

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Speaker 14: that's that knows the playbook. Of all the coaches in

534
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Speaker 14: the NBA, I've never seen a basketball mind get to

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Speaker 14: meet up with such a dominant physical form ever before

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Speaker 14: Lebron James. So understanding that and understanding accolades, I completely

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Speaker 14: get it.

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Speaker 5: It's just when you talk about how long it took.

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Speaker 14: To catch Jordan's record, Jordan took a couple of years

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Speaker 14: off within getting this record. I can't put anybody past

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Speaker 14: Michael Jordan, just because I'm more ranking on winning and

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Speaker 14: how I felt having a player like that on my

543
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Speaker 14: favorite team. So Jordan will always be my goat. But

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Speaker 14: I totally understand the argument that happens. I think it's

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Speaker 14: even more special that I got to play with Lebron

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Speaker 14: and you know, be a part of that conversation people

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Speaker 14: will talk about all the time, like you guys are

548
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Speaker 14: hating on Lebron just because they wanted to be better

549
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Speaker 14: than Jordan and everybody. And I think it's a great conversation.

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Speaker 14: And I think Lebron Kobe's Steph. All of them understand

551
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Speaker 14: they have done their job and we are supposed to

552
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Speaker 14: have this barbershop talk about who is the greatest.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you think Jordan is the greatest of all time?

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Speaker 14: Oh yeah, I'm home right now in Chicago. My mom's

555
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Speaker 14: still here. Yeah, Jordan, Jersey's everywhere.

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Speaker 2: Would you say that to Lebron if Lebron said.

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Speaker 5: I've said it to Lebron.

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Speaker 14: I don't know how many times I love I love Lebron,

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Speaker 14: I love him.

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Speaker 5: That is That's my guy. We did our job together,

561
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Speaker 5: we got our ring.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, they I've never changed my stance on the argument

563
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Speaker 14: of it.

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Speaker 5: I used to argue with Mellow about stuff like this.

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Speaker 14: I used to tell Melo he wouldn't be nothing if

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Speaker 14: he didn't get a championship. It was just my motivation

567
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Speaker 14: to him that that is what matters. That is the

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Speaker 14: only reason we are here. I don't know what makes you,

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Speaker 14: you know, get all jiggly as a little kid, but

570
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Speaker 14: I'm like that shiny championship ball is what we want.

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Speaker 2: That. Larry O'Brien, Yeah, but you grew up in Chicago,

572
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Speaker 2: if you grew up if you grew up some other places,

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Speaker 2: aside from you know, Jordan's backyard with the bulls.

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Speaker 14: Would you think I've never I've still never seen a

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Speaker 14: competitor like Michael Jordan. Again, I've somebody bringing the ball

576
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Speaker 14: down that could palm the ball at any time, plays

577
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Speaker 14: with an in and out package, goes right, goes left,

578
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Speaker 14: jump off one foot, jump off two foot, get to

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Speaker 14: his spot, have counters to everything.

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Speaker 5: And be.

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Speaker 14: You know, so so competitive that you make the All

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Speaker 14: Defensive team. I just and and do it in the

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Speaker 14: same year you get the MVP. I just with this guy.

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Speaker 14: I just loved the way it looked. I loved the

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Speaker 14: way uh he commanded respect. I love the way he

586
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Speaker 14: stayed out of the media. You never really knew what

587
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Speaker 14: he thought, but you knew when he guaranteed we were

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Speaker 14: gonna win.

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Speaker 10: Uh.

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Speaker 14: There's a certain way that Michael Jordan did it that

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Speaker 14: I'll always be overly opinionated for him.

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Speaker 2: Don't you wish you could have guarded him?

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Speaker 5: I do.

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Speaker 14: I wish I could have went out a lot of people,

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Speaker 14: especially without blowing my ACL. I really, you know, never

596
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Speaker 14: got to move ninety four feet how I wanted to

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Speaker 14: ever again after blowing my ACL.

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Speaker 5: But the.

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Speaker 2: But you know, playing against Kobe and what Kobe could do,

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Speaker 2: and it's better than Kobe.

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Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 14: I would have loved, you know, to just get out

603
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Speaker 14: there and you know, put my.

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Speaker 5: Best foot forward, so to speak.

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Speaker 14: But the cool thing is I probably would have guarded

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Speaker 14: Mike a lot better than I could guard Kobe, just

607
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Speaker 14: because I studied Mike Moore. When people used to think

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Speaker 14: all the time that when I was playing defense on

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Speaker 14: somebody that it was because I was a great defender,

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Speaker 14: and I used to tell them actually being a defender

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Speaker 14: sometimes being an ultimate fan. I was an ultimate fan

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Speaker 14: of basketball. But I'm also a huge Lebron fan. I'm

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Speaker 14: a huge Kobe fan. I'm a huge Kevin Durant fan.

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Speaker 14: I'm a fan of Kyrie, like though he's my classman.

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Speaker 14: It's like I'm a fan of how you play the game,

616
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Speaker 14: how you attack the game, And if you watch enough highlights.

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Speaker 5: You start to pick up on tendencies.

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Speaker 14: If you watch enough of their their game film, you

619
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Speaker 14: start to see what they're plan is as far as

620
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Speaker 14: getting themselves going.

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Speaker 5: And I just did my job to take it away.

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Speaker 2: Good to talk to you. I hope you finding a

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Speaker 2: home there in the media. Thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 5: Appreciate Chod.

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Speaker 2: That's Simon Schumpert. He of course won an NBA title.

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Speaker 2: More importantly, he also won Dancing with the Stars. You

627
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Speaker 2: can catch him on hoop streams. That'll be tomorrow night.

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Speaker 2: That'll be ESPN's YouTube channel, Facebook the ESPN A. All right,

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Speaker 2: well take a break, get phone calls coming up, new

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Speaker 2: poll question as well. We're back after this.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan

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Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern, six am Pacific

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Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 2: You know where I went recently. This has nothing to

635
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Speaker 2: do with anything today, but I went to the Chelsea

636
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Speaker 2: Hotel in New York City. Sick so that famous for

637
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Speaker 2: all the rock stars that would go there stay there.

638
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 2: Legendary rocks stars were there and didn't sit in Nancy

639
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 2: did They said Vicious died there. I know that they

640
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 2: stayed there. I don't know if they overdose there, but

641
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Speaker 2: Hendricks would be there, Jagger would be there, Dylan would

642
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 2: be there, and they've redone the Chelsea Hotel. The lobby

643
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 2: is wonderful, beautiful, the bar area beautiful. But I was

644
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 2: just in there and I was taking my kids I

645
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 2: said we should go in the Chelsea Hotel, and they

646
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 2: were like, nobody goes in there. I go, No, they

647
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Speaker 2: just renovated it, and you go in and it's gorgeous inside,

648
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 2: and the bar was wonderful, and you start to talk

649
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 2: about the history and got pictures there and used to

650
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 2: be a pretty special place. But it got run down

651
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Speaker 2: and then you had people who wouldn't move out because

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Speaker 2: it was rent controlled and you'd pee it there in

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Speaker 2: the part of the city paying a couple hundred dollars.

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Speaker 2: People were there for decades, never moved down. So Chelsea Hotel.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, Pauline, Yes, said Vicious from the sex Pistols in

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Speaker 11: the late seventies. He allegedly killed his girlfriend Nancy at

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Speaker 11: that hotel.

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Speaker 2: He sponging, yes, and then he died.

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Speaker 11: He didn't die at the hotel, but he died less

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Speaker 11: than a year later before trial.

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Speaker 2: I think, right, Yes, Okay. A couple of phone calls

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Speaker 2: here zach and Knoxville. Welcome back, zach.

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Speaker 5: Tha, thanks for taking my call.

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Speaker 2: Can you hear me bout it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I got you all right, all right?

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Speaker 13: Tell Marv not to hit that button. He showed heo

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Speaker 13: tawnied me yesterday I didn't actually get to get my point.

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Speaker 2: I got a little after one inning.

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Speaker 13: But I just want to say that I wonder how

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Speaker 13: how much we talk about dynasties and how often just

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Speaker 13: a great team gets lost in the sauce, like an

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Speaker 13: eighty five Bears or ninety one Redskins eighty six Giants.

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Speaker 13: You think we put too much emphasis on the dynasty.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, because we talk about the eighty five Bears.

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Speaker 2: They got far more credit than they deserved. They won

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Speaker 2: one time. We should be looking at what they didn't

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Speaker 2: do instead of what they did do. The Giants team

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Speaker 2: that was a great team as well, So I think

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Speaker 2: sometimes we do focus on that one and done, But

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Speaker 2: it's because you think that they should be winning more.

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Speaker 2: The eighty six Mets. What an unbelievably talented team. They won,

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Speaker 2: but they needed Bill Buckner's error for them to get

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Speaker 2: to a seventh game. So I think sometimes we overlook

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Speaker 2: the team that is overrated. Sometimes we don't focus in

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Speaker 2: on and the Bears were dominating, but they should have

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Speaker 2: continued to dominate. Yeah, Paul, I thought.

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Speaker 11: That Washington Redskins note he had was interesting because the

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Speaker 11: Redskins won three Super Bowls between eighty two and ninety one.

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Speaker 11: The constant was their head coach, Joe Gibbs.

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Speaker 2: But they did it with.

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Speaker 11: Three different quarterbacks and only one of them became a

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Speaker 11: Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 2: Thisman yes and Ripping Yep and Jay Shrader a Schrader.

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Speaker 11: Shell almost get more credit for doing it with less.

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Speaker 2: Is thiseman in the Hall of Fame? He didn't have

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Speaker 2: great numbers? Even he didn't win an MVP. Mark Moseley

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Speaker 2: was the kicker who won the MVP.

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Speaker 11: Is not in the Hall of Fame. He's got an

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Speaker 11: MVP as a player.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he didn't have great numbers.

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Speaker 11: He has won Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: Well, he also lost his Super Bowl.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, boy, if it was the football Hall of Fame

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Speaker 11: for college and pro, he might be in.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: Yes, Todd, you could win multiple titles in a row

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Speaker 12: and still not get enough credit. And with Constanta, Like

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Speaker 12: look the Lakers in two thousand and two thousand and two,

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Speaker 12: how often have we said him on this show? It's

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Speaker 12: like they should have won even more and then Shaq

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Speaker 12: and Kobe went separate ways and we're on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I brought it up many times that we would

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Speaker 2: remember for what they didn't do instead of what they

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Speaker 2: did do. You had to me that that could have

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Speaker 2: been the greatest two man dynasty of all time if

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Speaker 2: you look at what they could have been together, just

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Speaker 2: trying to coexist. You know, Scotty and Mike were great,

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Speaker 2: but they weren't shacking Kobe. If you look at the

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Speaker 2: possibilities of those two dominating and continuing to dominate. And

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Speaker 2: I don't want to get into this, well, okay, Jordan

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Speaker 2: and Pippen versus you know, Scotty and I mean Kobe

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Speaker 2: and Shack are going to win that because nobody can

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Speaker 2: guard Shack. You know, Scotty's wonderful, but all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: Shack could be good. Out of my way a little man, Yes, Marvin.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think what kills Lakers fans is that when

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Speaker 6: the Lakers won their three peat, Kobe Bryant was twenty

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Speaker 6: three years old. That's what's killing people. It's like, wait,

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Speaker 6: he was twenty three and Shaq was me thirty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you Zach for the phone called Derek in

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Speaker 2: La Hi, Derek, what's on your mind?

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Speaker 9: Hey dpte eybun first time, long time five ten and

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Speaker 9: a declining to twenty five. I just wanted to touch base.

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Speaker 9: I think you guys hit the nail on the head

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Speaker 9: with the dynasty is it's got to be a sustained excellence.

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Speaker 9: And the Giants in the early tens they missed the

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Speaker 9: playoffs and they've only made the playoffs twice then, so

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Speaker 9: you know, I don't think you can consider them a

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Speaker 9: dynasty at all.

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Speaker 2: Now, that was my argument, that you've got to make

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Speaker 2: the playoffs the other years that you're not winning a championship.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you can win a title not make

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Speaker 2: the playoffs, win a title, not make the playoffs and

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Speaker 2: great achievement. And you know, maybe I'm being a dynasty

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Speaker 2: snob here, Yes, Marvin.

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Speaker 6: Are the Giants Marlins esque?

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Speaker 2: The Marlins won twice though in what five years?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but they didn't make the playoffs the other years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but the Giants won three times in five years.

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Speaker 6: Still impressive. I know it's out a dynasty according to Fritzi.

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Speaker 2: Fritzi doesn't even know what his definition tout. All right,

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Speaker 2: two hours in the books on this Wednesday, one more

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Speaker 2: to go, Yes, the Minister of Humor also Seaton Marv

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Speaker 2: Paully yours truly final hour Right after this