1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Holly Frye and 3 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 1: I'm Tracy V. Wilson. We talked about Alfonse Bertillon and 4 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: Bertillonage this week. Yep, whsh I have so many thoughts 5 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: on this man. First of all, I want to mention 6 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: there was a really interesting article that I found on 7 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: the site Public Books, and this was written by Amanda Lewandowski, 8 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,919 Speaker 1: and she makes a very good point that I had 9 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: not considered at all that this entire system was built 10 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: on data that for the most part, was collected without 11 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: people's consent. Right, Like we know that he used family 12 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: members and colleagues, but he also was going to prisons 13 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: and basically just measuring people, which was something I had 14 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: not considered. That article is really about like the use 15 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: of things like face recognition and in law enforcement and 16 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: what that means and the consequences and implications of it. 17 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: But that was an aspect of this that I had 18 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: not considered, so I want to make sure we mention it. 19 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: One of the other things that came up as a 20 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: piece of information about him that wasn't really to me 21 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 1: like as important to include in the episode. But is 22 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: really interesting, right we talk in the episode about how 23 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: you know, people could just lie when they got booked 24 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 1: in at the jail and be like, my name is Darron, 25 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: it's not right, it's right whatever, And I know for us, 26 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 1: there's got to be a lot of like what ID 27 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 1: cards were not standard at this point in time, and 28 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: in fact, Bertillon is one of the people who was 29 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: the first to mandate once he had a little bit 30 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: of power that in particular, again this is such biased 31 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: stuff that the homeless population of Paris needed to carry 32 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: identification cards, right, that was like where a lot of 33 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: that started. And that is really the of mandatory IDs 34 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: in a lot of places. So, I mean, there are 35 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: so many things about his work that carry forward today, 36 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: and yet I'm like, oh yeah. So there is also 37 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: a story of him talking with Francis Galton, who was 38 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: a man who was really lobbying for the use of 39 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: fingerprints during this time, and they were friends, like they 40 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 1: worked in similar fields and that they would you know, 41 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: see each other all the time and they had this 42 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: cordial relationship. I read one account of him that said 43 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: that even though he was you know, arrogant and bossy, 44 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 1: he would never like carry a grudge in that regard, 45 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: Like you could have an argument and he would be like, 46 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 1: you're a wrong idiot, and then it would be like, 47 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: let's go to lunch. Like he compartmentalized in that way 48 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: that he didn't think an argument with someone was in 49 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: any way related to whether or not they could be 50 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: friends if they disagreed on these issues. And so he 51 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: and Galton were very good friends. But apparently there was 52 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: an incident and I willn't able to verify it where 53 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 1: Galton had come to his office and unlike his usual 54 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: thing where he would just be like, yeah, let him in, 55 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: like we'll talk about it, he made him sit in 56 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: the hallway for a long time, and then he finally 57 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: threw open the door and basically said all you do 58 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: is undermine me, and slammed the door and went about 59 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: his business. All because Galton was like, we should really 60 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: add fingerprints to the system. Yeah, it's like the tiniest 61 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: criticism just set him off down this weird that's not 62 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: even a criticism to me, that's like a suggestion, right. 63 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: I think he took it though, as you didn't think 64 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: of everything. That's exactly the way his brain perceived it. 65 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: And so he just thought like that he was being 66 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: attacked from all sides by people going, hey, fingerprints really work. 67 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: That's great. Yeah, as a person who can struggle with 68 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: unsolicited criticism, like, I get that that initial impulse to 69 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: be like uh huh, But the fact that he just 70 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: doubled and tripled down for all time and could never 71 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: be wrong, Yeah, even when he was demonstrably conclusively wrong. Yeah. 72 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: He Okay, I'm not a psychologist. I'm not diagnosing anybody, 73 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:25,239 Speaker 1: but I do so I'm just talking about, to be clear, 74 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: a pattern of behavior I know. I have seen a 75 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: lot of people fall into in my life, and I 76 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 1: feel like he's in a similar one. So I'm not 77 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: diagnosing anything. I'm just I don't I don't know what 78 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: causes this, but I have known a lot of people 79 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 1: who grew up feeling like an outsider or a black sheep, 80 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: or like they were picked on, or like they could 81 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: never fit in, and then they reach a point in 82 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: their lives where they start to be a bit of 83 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 1: an achiever and recognized as as great in some way, 84 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: and then they become air again as hell and almost unbearable. 85 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: And I've seen this happen so many times that this 86 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 1: weird boomerang effect takes place where like it's like the 87 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 1: second the flip of feeling like an outsider to feeling 88 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: like someone valued happens. There's almost a weird like I 89 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: was always great, you just didn't see it, and then 90 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: they can't. It's that same thing the doors close on 91 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 1: any sort of like hearing different than what you believe 92 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: or think. I have seen this so many times, and 93 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: I'm like, el Fonse Bertillon, my darling. I wish someone 94 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: had been able to get through to him, but clearly 95 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: nobody could have been because even when his brother is like, 96 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: you are actually hurting my family and your bias is 97 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: hurting my wife, he was like, well, yeah, too bad. Yeah. 98 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: We got a request recently to run the two parter 99 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: on The Dreyfus Affair as a Saturday Classic. It's newer 100 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: than we normally yeah, significantly newer than we normally use 101 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: a Saturday classics. And also it's difficult to do a 102 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 1: two parter as a Saturday Classic because it's like you 103 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:08,239 Speaker 1: either have a very long one, yeah, or it spans 104 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 1: two weeks, which is tricky. That was such a horrific 105 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: national schism in France. And the fact that his obstinacy 106 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: and his own bias was such a key part of it. 107 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: I hate that, and I hate that he like never 108 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: acknowledged the wrong that he had done. I do too. 109 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: It's like, in some ways it feels like he is 110 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: was willing to enjoy the benefits of being considered a 111 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: respected authority, but he was never willing to acknowledge the 112 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: responsibility that comes with that power. To be a little 113 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 1: spider man about it, I was exactly thinking, the spider man, 114 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: it really is that that those you know, if you're 115 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: in that kind of position where you really can sway 116 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: public opinion, you need to be careful and measured and 117 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: certainly not pretend to be an expert in a thing 118 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: that you just made up some very weird assessment of, 119 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: like that whole thing of Like he must have used 120 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: a grid And I'm like, how many mental somersaults did 121 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: this take you to get to you? I don't know 122 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: if this is something that's revealed in the research at all, 123 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: but when I read that, I was like, are you 124 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: just making stuff up? Or do you genuinely believe that 125 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: you figured this out? I think both of those are true. Yeah, Like, 126 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: I again I could be wrong. I'm not there and 127 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: I didn't ever. I didn't see it may exist out there, 128 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: but I did not come across it. Like what led 129 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: him to that way of thinking about it? And I 130 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: don't know if he not so much made it up 131 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: but believed that it came to him out of the 132 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: blue because he was a genius, right, because people lauded 133 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: him as a genius, and even today there are a 134 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: lot of people who will talk about he had to 135 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: have been a genius to put the system together. Whether 136 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: it works or not, it's so unique in the way 137 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: it functions, and it did work, it just had problems 138 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: with implementation that you know, possibly if someone had not 139 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: been so arrogant and stubborn, they could have continued to 140 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: refine it in a way that would have really worked. 141 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: But it's like you can be a genius and also 142 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: be an ignorant jerk at the same time, Like those 143 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: two things can happen, and he's the embodiment of that. Yeah. Yeah, anyway, 144 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: I've been trash talking au fALS Bertillon all day, So 145 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: if anyone out there really loves him, I'm sorry. Yeah, 146 00:08:46,760 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: buffals Bertillon. We talked about the Rebecca Riot this week. Yes, indeed, 147 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 1: something that's been on my list for a really long time, 148 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,599 Speaker 1: but only bumped up to the top with my frustration 149 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: about people using the word luddites in a way that 150 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: I don't And I know, I know, We've had so 151 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: many conversations about language evolving, but I think the word 152 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: luddites can be used in a really dismissive way to 153 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: dismiss people's concerns about a technology, when a lot of 154 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: times those concerns really do have a lot in common 155 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: with the actual Ludite uprising, because it's like, yeah, but 156 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: like this is gonna eliminate a lot of people's jobs 157 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: and also make the work they were doing worse in quality. Yeah, well, 158 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: there's also the tricky aspect of it, right where Like, 159 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: on the one hand, because language has evolved, it's probably 160 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: the fastest shorthand I can think of to convey the 161 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: idea that someone doesn't like a piece of tech, sure 162 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 1: without having to like, because you know, like taking into 163 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: account the nuance of everything is great, But in conversation 164 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: it's sometimes like that that will drag you off course. Yeah, 165 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: so I understand it's why it is favored by so many, 166 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:23,079 Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, I also just I have a fondness 167 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: for all of the worker uprisings that involve smashing things. 168 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: Back when we had a totally different website that had 169 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 1: tags that we could use to like group together related episodes, 170 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,079 Speaker 1: I had a tag called smashing Things, and it wasn't 171 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:44,559 Speaker 1: just worker uprisings. It also included things like when people 172 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: were staging train wrecks as a spectator, sport, prohibition protests, 173 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: and things like that. We're also in the smashing things 174 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: carry a nation, Yeah, nation was definitely in the smashing 175 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: things category. I had a quote. So we read a 176 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: couple of things from this book by Henry Tobit Evans 177 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: that came out in nineteen ten. It was about these 178 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: riots slash this uprising, and there was a thing that 179 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: I had in the outline that I wound up taking 180 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: out because it felt kind of ancillary. So I'm going 181 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: to read it here in the behind the scenes. So 182 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: this book was called Rebecca and her Daughters, being a 183 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: history of the agrarian disturbances in Wales known as the 184 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: Rebecca Riots. And here is a quote that was just 185 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:35,959 Speaker 1: sort of a description of one particular incident. Quote. A 186 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:41,479 Speaker 1: number of persons tumultuously assembled at dawn on seventeenth February 187 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: and pulled down the toll bar erected near the village 188 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: of plantherog not content with that, They actually set fire 189 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: to the materials and totally consumed them, together with the 190 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: toll box belonging to the said bar. A reward of 191 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: fifty pounds was offered for the detection of the offen. 192 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: The day previous, a person had applied to the toll 193 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: keeper and offered him five shillings for the passage of 194 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: a wedding party which was to go that way on 195 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: the seventeenth. The toll collector had refused to accept anything 196 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: under ten shillings. However, the hole was destroyed as before 197 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: mentioned and the wedding party passed free. The whole wedding 198 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: party account just kind of cracked me up. In the 199 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: account of this. We did not talk about women much 200 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: at all in this episode because it was largely a 201 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: protest carried out by like working men for the most part. 202 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 1: That the big attack on the workhouse did include. It 203 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: was not a crowd of only men, that was a 204 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: crowd of everyone basically, but there were a lot of 205 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: women who were kind of spectators cheering on the destruction 206 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 1: of the gates as all of this was happening, and 207 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,719 Speaker 1: of course, always any kind of movement movement like this, 208 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 1: overwhelmingly there are like women behind the scenes who are 209 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: keeping things moving and feeding the demonstrators and laundering all 210 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 1: those white dresses that people are wearing to then commit 211 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: arson and teardown teardown gates. Presumably those dresses got pretty 212 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: dirty pretty fast. So that was something that came up 213 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: in a couple of my sources, and a lot just 214 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: sort of described this as a pretty specifically Welsh event 215 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 1: in history that sort of drew together a lot of 216 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: other things in Wales, like the caphil Prine mock trials 217 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: that we talked about in the episode. There's the Marie 218 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:55,719 Speaker 1: Lloyd holiday tradition with the big horse's skull that happens 219 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: around holiday times and parts of Wales, which I have 220 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: to point out also appeared on Bob's Burger's. Yeah, but 221 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:07,079 Speaker 1: out of proper holiday context. They appeared in a Halloween episode. 222 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: Oh funny. I'm pretty sure I remember this also being 223 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: in the some of the DLC for Assassin's Creed Valhalla. 224 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: Folks can expect a possible Assassin's Creed inspired episode having 225 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: nothing to do with Wales at some point, probably a 226 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: few weeks from now, because having finished balder Skate three, 227 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: finally I moved on to Assassin's Creed Mirage and immediately 228 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: found some historical figures that I wanted to talk about 229 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: on the show. So anyway, I'm glad I finally got 230 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: to talk about the Rebecca Riots. It's such a kind 231 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: of wild collection of imagery of the figure of Mother 232 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: Rebecca and the donning address to smash down the toll 233 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: gates because people were had too much, too much happening, 234 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: too much going on, too many stressors going on in 235 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: their social and economic life lives. I hope everybody is 236 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: having a great Friday, and I hope whatever's happening over 237 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: your weekend is going to be fun. I know this is, 238 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: you know, Thanksgiving holiday time, which for a lot of 239 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: folks is a time of fun stuff and family and 240 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: all kinds of food. Not so much for everybody. So 241 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: whatever's happening on your Thanksgiving weekend, celebrating or not, I 242 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: hope it is as great as it can be. We 243 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: will be back with a Saturday Classic tomorrow and we 244 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: will have a brand new episode on Monday. Stuff You 245 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: Missed in History Class is a production of iHeartRadio. For 246 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 247 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.