WEBVTT - Vol. 7: Antoine Walker 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:03.600 Charges. That's created by port Lay and Control Media. It's 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:07.400 produced by dB Podcasts in association with I Heart Radio. 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:13.400 This time a former Son's player who you might remember 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:16.040 as t Rex. More video in just a moment, But 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:18.720 this is Rex Chapman's mug Shawn, and we are learning 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:21.760 a lot more about the charge up the charge. First 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:23.640 time you ever gambled? And do you feel like you 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:27.080 ever had an addictive personality? So we have vegas or whatever, 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:30.560 got competitive, end up standing out there by six weeks. 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:32.880 Next thing you know, I'm down a million dollars. People 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:36.280 didn't know my story. People thought are gambled my money 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:39.640 away party. And I did gamble the party, but that 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:43.120 wasn't the reason I lost my fortune. My mom, she 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:45.880 told me she still drives by the house. You know 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:52.880 what I mean. But you know what, that's okay, that's okay. 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:56.680 Welcome to Charges. I'm your host, Rex Chapman. Today on 0:00:56.720 --> 0:00:58.720 the show, we talked with a guy who had it 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:01.959 all and then lost at all all of it. Our 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:04.800 guest today has been crowned an NBA champion with the 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:07.960 Miami Heat and an n C double A champion with 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:11.280 My Kentucky Wildcats. While in the League, he became a 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:14.080 three time All Star and the guy who once responded 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:16.840 to the question why do you shoot so many threes 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:21.559 by saying because there are no fours? Employee number eight, 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:31.520 Antoine Walker. Antoine, thanks Bro, thanks for coming on man, 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:34.720 thanks for having on the show. Rex. I've been knowing 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:37.360 you for a long time. Uh, the first time I 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:40.200 remember seeing you. And I don't know if you remember this, Antoine, 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:45.040 but myself, Kenny Walker, and Jamal Mashburn, we're all back 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:49.040 playing in the summer in Lexington and you came in 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:52.040 and you were really highly regarded, but we had never 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:54.320 seen you before. We didn't know anything about you, and 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:57.520 we're all playing in the NBA by now, and but 0:01:57.680 --> 0:01:59.920 we were over there to hoop at Memorial Colisey and 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:04.320 you walked in the gym and uh, you know, because 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:07.200 you had kind of been compared to Jamal Mashburn at 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:10.440 the time, and we were kind of checking you out, 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:12.440 and you walked over to where we were, but we 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:16.480 were talking about Glenn Robinson, big Dog. Glenn Robinson had 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:20.080 just declared for the draft, and you walked up to 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:23.800 us and you're seventeen and fresh out of high school 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:28.000 and you heard that. We were talking about big Dog 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:30.919 leaving school and you said, Glenn Robinson left. He going 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:33.760 to the NBA, and we said yeah, and you just 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:36.720 real matter of fact, he said, oh, so player of 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:44.639 the Year is wide open. You hadn't even played a 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:47.280 college game. You hadn't played a second. We hadn't even 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:50.000 played with you in the pickup game yet. I mean, 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:54.040 where does that confidence come from? Man? Man? You there 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:57.000 was the days when Um, I was a skinny little kid, 0:02:58.040 --> 0:03:02.240 very cocky in the south side of the Cargo, and 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:04.400 it just came natural. Man. That was like one of 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:06.840 my biggest things. I think that helped me actually get 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:09.640 to the NBA. But I was just a very confident individual. 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:12.359 But why it just that's the way I was. I 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:16.400 come from a trash talking you know, south side Kiss 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:18.640 where I grew up against the guys I played against, 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:20.679 and it was just so much trash talking. So that's 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:23.200 how we motivated each other. It was just a certain 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:25.240 confidence in order that I had about myself when I 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:28.560 came in there, didn't know nothing, but um I got 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:31.920 humble real quickly, you know. But it definitely was. I 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:34.800 was definitely a very confident individual. Tell me about your childhood. 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:38.000 You're the oldest of six raised by a single mom, 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:42.560 you know, tell me about that experience. Yeah, just like 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:44.680 you said, I'm the oldest of six raised by you know, 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:48.720 my mom. Um fox boys, two girls had to grow fast. 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:50.960 My mother had me at the very young age, so 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:53.800 I had to assume the responsibility of helping out a 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:58.200 ton um. Really raised by my grandmother who was very 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:02.560 hard on me. Just been there in UM focused on school. 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:05.480 And people don't understand my upbringing is a little bit different. 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:07.400 I'm probably one of the few kids that was in 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:13.040 the inner city that actually went to UM Catholic private school. UM. Yeah, 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:17.160 and that and and actually elementary and in high school. 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:19.599 How did that happen? I don't know. Through the grades 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:21.800 of God. My mom, for some of my reason, she 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:25.480 felt like the Chicago public school system was not very good. 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:30.760 I really could not afford to go to Catholic private school. UM. 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:33.719 In the elementary school, she figured it out and bit 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:35.800 the bullet and got me through it. And then in 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:38.400 high school. UM, it was one of the situations where 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:41.800 I got finial ad scholarship kind of thing. Yeah. But 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:45.560 a funny story is that I graduated and everything, but 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:48.720 obviously I got my transcripts, but I owed the school 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:52.560 like seven eight grand when I graduated, so I actually 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:56.760 didn't get my physical diploma. So I went pro, came 0:04:56.760 --> 0:04:59.560 back and wrote in my check. Yeah. So yeah, Mom 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:03.240 was very appreciatives, uh, to my mom and and kind 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:06.000 of sheltering me and not making me go to public 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:09.320 school where it's more ganging, drug related so it's very 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:11.839 difficult to get through. And she allowed me to be 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:13.920 a kid and to play sports at a very very 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:17.000 high level and and that probably saved me and gave 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:18.880 me an opportunity to make it to the league. So 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:21.919 always very appreciative of that. And I know I jumped 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:23.760 the story around, but the rest is history. That's the 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:27.040 growing up in Chicago for me that led me to Kentucky. 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:30.360 I talked to Rick about you recently, coach p and 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:33.400 he he told a story. He said. We asked him 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:35.880 if any players ever really got to him, you know, uh, 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:41.200 during practices or whatever. He said, no, nobody really. He said, Antoine. Antoine, 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:45.920 he said, one time, Uh, Antoine. He said, he came 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:48.680 over to me during practice and we had a really 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:52.080 good team, really deep team, and he said, Antoine came 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:54.280 over to me and said, coach, you better take him 0:05:54.279 --> 0:06:00.360 off of me, because I'm gonna ruin his confidence. He said. 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:02.800 It just made him start laughing, you know, and Rick 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:05.919 is pretty serious during practice, right, Oh, no question, no 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:22.160 question about it's going to three second remating. All right. 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:28.320 So you win the title and then you enter the draft. Uh, 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:32.320 just after your sophomore year draft, You're drafted by the 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:35.200 legendary Boston Celtics. What did that day mean to you? 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:40.680 It meant everything, um, and it's kind of weird. Through 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:43.680 my draft process, I worked out from the second pick 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:47.480 to the level pick, and these are some self workouts, 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:50.240 you know, um, things I've never done before. And the 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:53.279 Celtics was my easiest workout. It was crazy because I 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:55.840 came in and I probably know I was other workouts 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:58.800 for two and a half hours, um, you know, doing 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:00.839 all these drills and doing all the stuff, and I 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:03.360 going to the Celtics. I'm on the court probably thirty 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:08.200 forty minutes. But the my meeting was at this time, 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:10.360 mL car was the head coach and gim but the 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:14.720 assistant coach was Dennis Johnson, Casey Jones. You had Maxwell, 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:18.200 Tommy Heights, and Joe Joe White, Larry Bird was still 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:20.440 a part of the thing. Read all back was around. 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:22.960 I mean, this is the people that were in my 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:26.320 my meeting. So I was overwhelmed, you know, growing up 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:28.840 being a huge basketball so I was overwhelmed. So I 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:31.400 didn't really know that they really liked me like that. 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:33.840 I didn't know how to take that because just the 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:38.960 length of time that I was there and there a draft, Um, 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:40.920 they moved up to six because they didn't feel like 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:43.680 I was gonna make it. Um, I kind of gotta guarantee. 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:45.440 My agent kind of was like, you're not going past 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:49.640 New Jersey at eight, and they moved up and took me, 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:53.000 and I couldn't been more UM prouder or excited about 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:56.600 going to a story franchise UM like the Boston Celtis. 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:59.240 And it was perfect for me because they were in 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:02.080 the rebuildings stage so I can be a part of 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:04.440 the rebirth in the gaming opportunity to play a ton 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:06.880 of minutes and be a part of some special So 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:10.640 I couldn't ask for a better situation, UM, coming out 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:13.720 of school and it just worked out perfectly for me. 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:17.240 UM couldn't couldn't write the storybook, No, no better than that. 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:20.080 But being a part of that organization UM is second 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:22.760 and none. I still to this day consider the Boston 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:25.040 my second home. I mean to get drafted, their play 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:28.120 eight years of my career there, um, so I still 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:30.960 considered at that my second home. Yeah, I remember, you know, 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:32.840 of course I was in Phoenix when you came out, 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:35.120 So I was playing against you guys, and you guys 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:36.960 were you were. You were terrible right there at the 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:39.280 at the beginning, and we had a good team, you know, 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:42.680 out in Phoenix. But tell me about those years in Boston. 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:45.440 What were some of the highs and lows that stand 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:47.920 out for you? It wasn't easy in the beginning, as 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:50.760 you said. Uh, and even after Paul was drafted, what 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:53.920 were those years like Paul Pierce? Uh, they were tough 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:57.240 because the expectations in UM in Boston are a little 0:08:57.280 --> 0:09:00.800 different UM than in some places. UM to sports town. 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:04.439 People that are very engaged into the team and everything 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:06.880 that you have going on. So it was great for 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:09.719 me as far as basketball because it forced me to 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:12.040 work and want to win and learn how to win. 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:14.400 The best thing that happened to me was coach coming. 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:17.319 I think after the first year Rick made the All 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:20.199 Star team. Yeah, coach Patino coming over and making the 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:22.840 All Star team. Want them had a lot of success. Obviously, 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:26.079 we didn't have a ton of team success. Um, coach 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:28.480 got a little impatient and kind of ran through our 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:31.480 roster and didn't really give guys time to develop. We 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:34.800 traded Chauncey Bill. It's not the fourth and one game. Yeah, 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:38.040 so we didn't really get a chance to develop. But um, 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:40.559 the time of Boston was great because we were able 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:44.080 to make a run, get back to being a playoff team, 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:46.160 and then we made it, made a legitimate run to 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:49.440 the Eastern Conference finals. Didn't end the way I wanted to. Um, 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:51.640 you're a guy that you play with. I don't know 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:53.040 if you coach you or you played with you. It 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:56.680 was a both. Danny ain't I played against Danny and 0:09:56.720 --> 0:10:01.040 then he coached me. Yeah yeah, okay, yeah I figured that. Um. 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:03.480 But yeah, Danny came in and which was fine. He 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:05.760 came in with a different agenda. You know how this 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:07.839 is Rex and you you've been in the front office 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:11.200 of teams, and I wasn't his guy. Um, I wasn't 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:12.920 a guy that he felt like he could continue to 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:15.400 build around. So I was a little heartbroken to get 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:17.640 traded because I felt like we were right at that 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:20.439 time in the Eastern Conference. We were one or two 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:24.160 best teams in the Eastern Conference, probably missing a traditional 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:26.160 point guard to kind of get us over the hump. 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:29.199 But um, he decided to go a different direction and 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:31.640 they did that, and I actually end up coming back 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:34.760 and being a part of another good team that we 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:37.520 got upset in the first round of the playoffs against Indiana. 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:40.520 I think Reggie Miller's last year, thinking two thousand and five, 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:43.040 I think it was Danny, by the way, Danny Angel 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:45.400 loved really loves you. He I talked to him about Danny. 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:48.160 Danny said, Antoine was a great player. He said, he 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:50.880 got on the wrong side of one of your favorite coaches, 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:54.560 Dick Harder. Dick Harder coached me when I was in 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:59.120 Charlotte and Rest in Peace coach Harder. But I couldn't 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:01.439 stand the Harder. I was a young player, none of 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:03.960 none of us could stand him. But it just so 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:06.280 you know, that's what he said. I also want to 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:09.120 read you something that Rick said, uh, because I I 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:12.120 wanted to know from Rick what his opinion of you 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:17.640 was as a player. And he said, Antoine Wow. Extremely 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:21.360 talented and really knew the game. People would be surprised 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:25.839 with his basketball acumen. Highly competitive and loved the game. 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:30.200 Also asked him about the game opener we beat defending 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:33.480 champ Chicago and Jordan was yelling down the hall at 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:40.040 him about him doing the shimmy dance. You remember that, 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:44.480 what kind of Celtic team is this? Why did you 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:46.000 have to look at it and say it's the youngest 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:48.480 team in the last ten years. They only averaged two 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:52.280 point three years of experience. This steam Dick will get 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:54.520 better as the season goes on, and he'll be with 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:57.160 all of that, we still have Michael Jordan's two on 0:11:57.320 --> 0:12:01.000 to Randy Brown controlling and the Walker and courses the 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:05.520 turner over four and three rolls night my party, Walker 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:13.400 to the basket and the turnover had a three point opportunity, 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:17.319 and Rick Portino Celtics and leading seventy nine sixty seven. 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:21.839 Antoine Walker with twenty nine points is the game's high score. 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:24.360 He has ten more that Michael Georgian does. It just 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:29.320 me my first game and people, you mean, you gotta 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:31.880 understand from Chicago. So the first three championships, I was 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:35.480 a fan, right like I'm like a huge fan. Michael retires, 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:39.520 comes back, I come in. I play against the next 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:42.640 three championship teams. I mean we went one knee eleven. 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:47.400 So we opened up in ninety six against uh uh 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:51.520 ninety a. Sorry against the Bulls got him the first game. 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:55.600 Scottie sitting out for the contract situation. Scotty's sitting out. 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:58.760 We catch Michael. I think I had like thirty had 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:02.720 a huge night opening. I'm shamming. I'm dancing everywhere. How 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:05.200 you hear that hour, I'm gonna stop all that dance. 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:07.720 I'm gonna stop all that dance. I'm gonna stop all 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:10.840 that dance. That's how you hear Michael telling me that Louibho. 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:13.600 We don't never beat him again. But I went one 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:20.920 eleven and three years against Michael. Uma was incredible. Incredible, man, incredible. 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:27.160 That's so great. From six to two thousand and three, 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:31.280 Antoine Walker was a bona fide star for Boston. He 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:35.400 made the All Star team in two thousand two and 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:38.880 two thousand three. The Celtics had made the Eastern Conference 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:41.200 finals in two thousand two, but in two thousand three 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:44.080 they barely made the playoffs and were swept in round one. 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:48.280 During the summer of two thousand three, Boston dealt Antoine 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:51.760 to Dallas. The next offseason, he was traded to Atlanta. 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:55.480 Midway through the OH four oh five season. Boston realized 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:57.960 it was time to bring Antoine home for the playoff run. 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:01.320 It turned out to be the right decision. The Celtics 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:03.680 got hot and earned the three seed in the East, 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:06.880 but we're upset by a Pacers team featuring run Artest, 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:12.080 Stephen Jackson, Jermaine O'Neill, and Reggie Miller. Antoine was up 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:15.079 for free agency that summer, and his services were about 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:22.000 to be far from free. Free agency market came. Danny 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:24.000 wasn't willing to pay what I wanted on the market. 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:27.200 We negotiated, went back and forth for a long time, 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:31.640 and nothing could happen. And then the Miami Heat situation came. 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:34.680 So when I get the call from Pat and he's 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:37.160 telling me, you know, he couldn't the money wasn't gonna 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:39.440 be while I wanted to be in kind of breaks 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:41.920 down the situation to me. Uh, he said, if you 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:43.680 can get Boston to do a sign and trade, take 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:46.440 some money back. And you gotta remember the Miami Heat 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:50.080 were coming off the Eastern Conference Championship against the Detroit Pistons. 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:52.640 They had just it was the first year with shack Um, 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:54.640 it was gonna be the second year with Shock, and 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:57.880 they were championship trying to get to the championship. So 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:00.000 I'm like, man, I would love to have this opportunit 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:02.600 because I started looking at the roster, I'm like, I've 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:06.000 never been in a championship contender. I've never played with 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:09.120 a guy like Shock and Alonzo Morning and d Wade, 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:12.560 so this could be a great opportunity for me. Danny 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:14.720 did not want to take any money back with you, 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:17.600 was surprising. So I called an owner. I called Wick, 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:20.720 I called Gross Back and I'll said, listen, I've done 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:23.880 a lot for this organization. Um, you know you guys 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:25.920 do not want me. You're gonna go in a different direction, 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:28.400 you know, Can you guys do a sign and trade 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:31.680 and allow me to go continue my career. And they 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:34.240 figured it out and that's how thirteen players got involved. 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:36.600 So it got to be a lot of mumble jumble 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:39.360 guys making eight hundred, nine hundred thousands desided to be 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:41.960 a lot of So that's how the trade got so large. 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:44.040 Because Boss, they really did not want to take any 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:47.440 money back. You know, Lord behold, they get it done. 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:51.760 Now we get another roadblock. Shack was up, so Shot 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:54.000 could have took He was grandfather then, so Shot could 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:57.560 have took his bird rights three for ninety and at 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:01.000 that time, thirty millions a year was heard of in 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:05.680 the NBA. Besides what Michael didn't so call Shock and 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:09.360 obviously you know I know Shock. We're not best friends, um, 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:11.280 And I said, hey, big fellow, I want to come 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:14.520 down and play with you and help you get this championship. 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:16.400 You know, he had this thing with Kobe going on 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:19.040 at the time that he wanted to get one by himself, 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:22.200 and and he was like, look, Pat was like getting 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:25.440 to take five years for a hundred and we can 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:30.960 work it out. Shock did it, Um, Shock took the 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:33.440 five years hunted and you can look at the paperwork. 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:35.680 I signed it like a six year, fifty two million 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:38.040 dollar deal. I deigned a six year deal to make 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:40.680 it work. Then, you know, six year deals were unheard 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:43.320 of at that time. So I ended up taking sign 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:45.600 a six year deal with them and and all that, 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:48.040 and then we hit another roadblock. We get to the 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:50.560 physical they cleared me. Then they come back and said, well, 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:52.360 you got some author rities you may not be able 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:55.800 to fill six years. So now the last two years. 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:58.240 They don't want to guarantee the last two years. And 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:00.840 we're in a twelfth hour, like I got like six 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:04.040 hours to make a decision or the dealers tore up. 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:08.240 Everything goes back and it was August, and you know, 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:11.479 you get thirty days into a free agency, like I'm like, yo, 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:15.160 so I just signed the deal. Pap you know, made 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:17.400 some promises that hey, we went it all, will figure 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:20.320 this thing out, making a great owner, and we went 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:23.240 on with the deal, but everything went of courting the playing. 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:25.840 I mean, it was unbelievable, and you know I talked 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:28.840 about the team Kamarati with the Wildcasts, but for the 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:31.800 what the heat was unbelievable. We had to stay fifteen strong, 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:34.400 and you know this rex be in the league. It's 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:36.840 very hard to find six seven guys out to dinner. 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:39.919 But we had that type of team. We were so close. 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:43.639 We hung together, we partied together, and I always tell 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:46.000 people about my time Miami. I never partied and played 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:49.000 basketball like this in my life. But I was sold 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:51.159 because we were talking about win the championship. It was 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:53.399 something I never did. He sold me on being a 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:55.639 six man of the year you do some other things. 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:58.280 So the first twenty games, I came off the bench 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:02.600 and we were tenanten Shock missed the first few games 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:06.520 with injury, and Pat just I wouldn't say panicked, but 0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:08.640 he came down. He felt like he had to come down. 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:12.119 He fired stand. In my first meeting with Pat, he 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:15.040 was like, you're starting. He was like, you're starting at 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:17.640 the three. He said, you are best passer. You're gonna 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:19.440 put you throw in the post. He said, I'm gonna 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:22.639 get you out early. And you know, with the second 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:25.240 unit to be your time. But this first unit, I 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:26.960 want you to spot up, get the ball in the 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:29.680 big fella and play off. D wait in shock, but 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:33.000 I played my money and you know how rous is. 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:36.199 He's like, and that's how it's gonna go. If you're dud, 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:39.720 don't want right, this is getting start out. Are you 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:47.840 gonna be the foul Terry puts up? They look when 0:18:47.920 --> 0:19:01.440 the first championship in franchise history, Well, you know what 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:04.440 happens next. You know how we eventually you know do 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:08.240 this on charges. I shared my story about after my career, 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:12.159 you know, addiction to painkillers, alcohol, gambling. Uh threw me 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:15.040 down in a downward spiral, you know, twine Uh, and 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:19.119 I lost everything as well. Just a little history to 0:19:19.240 --> 0:19:21.560 my story. A lot of people think, you know, at 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:24.560 that time, I had a gambling situation that took place 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:28.200 in Vegas and you know this rext one time. So 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:30.359 I used to train in Vegas. At this point, I 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:32.760 kind of transition. They should train in Chicago. I transitioned 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:35.600 from Tim Grover and I suhould go out to Vegas because, um, 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:37.600 they just have a training facility. I used to like 0:19:37.680 --> 0:19:40.480 the on court stuff. So I would stay out there 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:42.840 probably like five weeks. Usually stay with a bunch of 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:46.320 guys Kevin Garner, t lou Chauncey Billups. This is kind 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:48.280 of their training facility where they used to train that. 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:49.480 So I used to go out there. Should be like 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:52.480 thirty or forty pro So we work out twice a 0:19:52.560 --> 0:19:55.760 day like any other time. But at night we're in Vegas. 0:19:56.880 --> 0:19:59.480 So we're in Vegas or whatever. We'll go to the casino. 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:01.720 All of us go to the casino, hang out and 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:04.040 do that. First time you ever gambled and do you 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:07.640 feel like you ever had an addictive personality. No, because 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:10.640 I really didn't pick it up. I was like, ut 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:13.200 forty minute, I like to hit and run. I wasn't 0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:16.760 a guy that sit there at for hours. Yeah. I 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:22.080 was just like just like you did on the court. Yeah. 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:26.200 I never was a guy that like sit there for six, seven, 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:30.480 eight nine hours and just play. Um. So I would 0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:32.520 just say I was more like, let me just hit 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:35.760 it run, hit and run. And then I didn't really 0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:39.919 gamble heavy, um until I was like in Vegas. Vegas 0:20:40.040 --> 0:20:42.680 was my thing. Um, I would say as addictive, yeah, 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:45.479 because you know I'm competitive, So you know what I mean. 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:49.280 And um, I don't know if you did this, but 0:20:49.480 --> 0:20:52.040 you know, once I filed bankruptcy, so my stuff went deep. 0:20:52.600 --> 0:20:55.320 I looked at they went through and found so I 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:58.320 was I won four million and lost four million. So 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:03.800 I don't know how you mathematically create that, because you know, 0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:06.080 you know how it is. You can you know what 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:08.960 I mean. I still have tax issues from my stuff. 0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:12.000 I'm telling you listen, Vegas All Star Weekend next, I 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:15.840 want eight hundred thousand. I didn't lose a bet All 0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:18.840 Star Weekend in Vegas in two thousand seven, but then 0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:24.320 the following year I come back and lose that million. Yeah, 0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:27.000 so I would, of course I would say it played 0:21:27.000 --> 0:21:28.680 a part, but it's kind of hard to you know, 0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:31.280 it's just different time ins and how it goes. But 0:21:31.480 --> 0:21:34.919 it was actually crazy to get those numbers when they 0:21:35.000 --> 0:21:36.359 did the audience and they had to go through the 0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:39.320