Speaker 1: Welcome to this latest edition to the Stephen Nate Smith Show,
Speaker 1: coming at you as I love to do at the
Speaker 1: very least three times a week over the digital airwaves
Speaker 1: of YouTube and of course Heartradio. Got a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff to get into today. Got a great, great interview
Speaker 1: that I'm looking forward to, the one and only Mark Cuban,
Speaker 1: talking to him about the NBA, his ownership of the
Speaker 1: Dallas Mavericks, a whole bunch of NBA items. Not to
Speaker 1: mention politics because he's been involved with that as well.
Speaker 1: Can't wait to get into that, which is why I'm
Speaker 1: gonna move quickly, because before I do that, I've got
Speaker 1: to get into some high profile Democrats that are speaking
Speaker 1: out against the Trump administration. I'll start with former Vice
Speaker 1: President Kamala Harris, who addressed a woman's summit yesterday in California.
Speaker 1: The former Democratic presidential nominee who lost to Trump in November,
Speaker 1: said the president moves since he returned to office were
Speaker 1: largely predictable. Here's more of her remarks last night at
Speaker 1: the Leading Women Defined Summit. Quote, there were many things
Speaker 1: we knew were gonna happen. I'm not gonna say I
Speaker 1: told you so. We are seeing people stay quiet. We
Speaker 1: are seeing organizations stay quiet. We are seeing capitulating to
Speaker 1: clearly unconstitutional threats. Courage is contagious end quote. Meanwhile, President
Speaker 1: Barack Obama also had words for the administration yesterday. Obama
Speaker 1: said that he doesn't think Trump's new tariff announcement is
Speaker 1: going to be good for America. He also added that
Speaker 1: his larger concern is what he described as the White
Speaker 1: House's infringement of rights end quote. Tell us something we
Speaker 1: don't know. See the problem is we always knew that.
Speaker 1: But no, thanks to y'all as Democrats. Yes, you did
Speaker 1: say he was a threat to democracy. Yes you did say,
Speaker 1: don't think that what he says is true, that it's
Speaker 1: going to happen. Yes you did say beware, beware, beware.
Speaker 1: You told us those things, but you still lived life
Speaker 1: allowing cancer, culture and identity politics to be pervasive throughout
Speaker 1: our society. Y'all did that as Democrats. And then when
Speaker 1: people tried to tell y'all, and instead we tried to
Speaker 1: get y'all a focus on the concerns of the American people,
Speaker 1: the cost of living, inflation, etc. The borders, not open, borders,
Speaker 1: stop denying. At twelve million plus people crossed the border
Speaker 1: illegally when we told you to stop doing that, when
Speaker 1: we told you to pay attention to the price of
Speaker 1: eggs and cheese and bread and gas and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: even though you're touched on it. The focus was making
Speaker 1: sure that you touched on the moral fabric and the
Speaker 1: moral compass of individuals to guilt us into voting for
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party. Meanwhile, Donald tr Trump and the folks
Speaker 1: on the GOP side spoke plain English, and I'm going
Speaker 1: to say something that isn't popular to say, but you
Speaker 1: know something, the Democrats need to hear this. Y'all are
Speaker 1: very very fond of talking about how Donald Trump lies.
Speaker 1: Some of the things that have made people uncomfortable about
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. I got news for you. He has a lie.
Speaker 1: Didn't he say tariffs? Tariffs? Tariffs was whether he was
Speaker 1: going to live by? Did he not say that he
Speaker 1: was going to close those damn borders? I believe he
Speaker 1: said that. Did he not say that he was going
Speaker 1: to get addressed crime in our streets and things were
Speaker 1: going to get very very bad for lawless individuals out there.
Speaker 1: Did he not provide indications that he could give a
Speaker 1: damn about the civil rights and the human rights of
Speaker 1: individuals that were considered lawless. Did he not say, or
Speaker 1: at least indicate that, come hell of high water, the
Speaker 1: culture that we were living in, we were on die back.
Speaker 1: Did he not talk about the LGBTQ plus community, specifically
Speaker 1: as it pertains the transgenders and athletes not being allowed
Speaker 1: to transition from male to female and be able to
Speaker 1: compete in women's sports. Did he not say these things?
Speaker 1: Yes he did. Why am I bringing all of that up? Because,
Speaker 1: for better or worse, most American people feel we know
Speaker 1: him even when he's lying. We know him. We know
Speaker 1: he's gonna lie. We know that some other things he's
Speaker 1: gonna be honest about. We know he's gonna be narcissistic.
Speaker 1: We know he's gonna care primarily about himself and his name,
Speaker 1: and he's gonna put that aboved all else. In most instances,
Speaker 1: we know that he might not read the reports, whether
Speaker 1: it's involving national security or the economy or anything else.
Speaker 1: We know that he operates primarily off gut. We know
Speaker 1: that he puts people in their positions and their primary
Speaker 1: responsibility is to be loyal to him. We supposed to
Speaker 1: be incompetent or qualified for their jobs. We know all
Speaker 1: of this, which means we know him. So what's the problem.
Speaker 1: We didn't know y'all as Democrats, because the Democratic Party
Speaker 1: and what it was customarily associated with, normally associated with
Speaker 1: how it was supposed to be the party of the
Speaker 1: working class. You were throwing your own aside. You did
Speaker 1: it to elected officials that got themselves in a spec
Speaker 1: of trouble. You threw them to the wolves. You had
Speaker 1: Supreme Court justices refusing to answer question as to whether
Speaker 1: or not they were a woman or define what a
Speaker 1: woman was, even though they were married with children. It's
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of ridiculous nonsense that was going around
Speaker 1: and going on with the Democratic Party. We're not blind
Speaker 1: to what's transpiring right now, not blind to the specter
Speaker 1: holding over all of us, and how dangerous times can be,
Speaker 1: how hardship seems imminent as it pertains the tariffs and beyond.
Speaker 1: We get on what terrorists may cause, the problems that
Speaker 1: it may cause, inflation, potential recession. We get all of that,
Speaker 1: but we also get that Donald Trump told us exactly
Speaker 1: what the hell he was going to do, and that
Speaker 1: not only that the vast majority of the American people
Speaker 1: still saw him closer to normalcy than we saw the
Speaker 1: Democratic Party. But because of that, regardless of his ways,
Speaker 1: Donald Trump is actually trusted more than y'all. He didn't
Speaker 1: hint towards misogyny for black men that could possibly vote
Speaker 1: against Kamala Aarris. He didn't do that. He wasn't somebody
Speaker 1: that was scared to do interviews half the time and
Speaker 1: was at the mercy of people connected to her campaign
Speaker 1: instead of recognizing she was the Democratic nominee and she
Speaker 1: was supposed to be running the show and she was
Speaker 1: supposed to be the boss. You told us, so, yeah,
Speaker 1: you did. What you didn't do was tell us enough
Speaker 1: about you and what you would ultimately stand for. That's
Speaker 1: why he's the president. That's why the GOP is in
Speaker 1: control of the House and the Senate, and the Democrats
Speaker 1: are on the outside looking in. Just thought i'd remind
Speaker 1: y'all of that before y'all went out there chirping about
Speaker 1: some of the things that are going on. He ain't right,
Speaker 1: but you're just as guilty as he is. You put
Speaker 1: him back in that White House cause you forgot about
Speaker 1: your own The chunk that really matters, not the fringes
Speaker 1: who are not gonna give you an election. You did that,
Speaker 1: and that's the way it goes. I'm sure I'll be
Speaker 1: getting into that subject with my next guest. He is
Speaker 1: the former owner for the Dallas Mavericks. He is a
Speaker 1: brilliant individual. He is also a billionaire. He's still a
Speaker 1: minority owner for the Dallas Mavericks. Is he a political candidate?
Speaker 1: Is he a potential presidential candidate? Is here a potential
Speaker 1: vice presidential candidate? Or is he just want somebody that's
Speaker 1: determined to raise hell and make a difference in ways
Speaker 1: we wish our politicians actually would. The one and only
Speaker 1: Mark Cuban up next, right here on the Stephen A.
Speaker 1: Smith Show. Don't go I got more than that coming,
Speaker 1: but I'll be back in a minute. All right, folks,
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Speaker 1: I get to my next guest, we need to get
Speaker 1: to Memphis Grizzlies guard joh Moran, who was just fined
Speaker 1: seventy five thousand dollars by the league for mimicking a
Speaker 1: shooting gun with his finger. The fine comes a day
Speaker 1: after the league warned Moran and Warriors guard but he
Speaker 1: healed yesterday morning about the gesture following their game Tuesday night,
Speaker 1: and so Moran did it again last night. Here's what
Speaker 1: he had to say after the game when asked about
Speaker 1: criticisms of his actions. Quote, I'm kind of used to it.
Speaker 1: I was pretty much a villain for two years, down
Speaker 1: every little thing. If somebody can say something negative about me,
Speaker 1: it's going to be out there. So yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: care no more. End quote. So the NBA responded this
Speaker 1: morning with that seventy five thousand dollars. Fine, you got
Speaker 1: off easy. Let's get that out the way.
Speaker 2: First.
Speaker 1: You got that. You got off easy. Number one. Number two,
Speaker 1: John Morant, we need to stop. Take that footage off
Speaker 1: the camera and put me on the camera. Please gotta stop.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 1: First of all, stop with all of this negativity over
Speaker 1: the last two years. When you got into the situation
Speaker 1: where you was caught on Instagram, you know, waving a gun.
Speaker 1: First you got suspended for eight games, and then after
Speaker 1: that you got suspended for twenty five games. Nobody was
Speaker 1: saying anything negative about you prior to those things. In
Speaker 1: the aftermath of all of that, all anybody's been looking
Speaker 1: for is your game. You came back, you got hurt,
Speaker 1: you was out, and that's what transpired. Rant is fantastic.
Speaker 1: He has superstar potential. We knew he was on his way,
Speaker 1: and then he got derailed because he got suspended and
Speaker 1: then ultimately injured. Nobody's looking to bring you down. I
Speaker 1: shouldn't say anybody, because there's always haters and trolls, and
Speaker 1: the level of the society that we live in with
Speaker 1: the negativity, et cetera, it's ridiculous. But the flip side
Speaker 1: to it is that the world is in the palm
Speaker 1: of your hands. It's in your hands, the money that
Speaker 1: you're making, the money you stood to make with endorsement
Speaker 1: deals and all of that stuff. Particularly after Kyrie had
Speaker 1: his troubles and Madison Avenue came in your direction. You
Speaker 1: got derailed because of that, and between the suspensions and
Speaker 1: the endorsement or lack thereof that followed, it was speculated
Speaker 1: that you were cost over forty to fifty million dollars.
Speaker 1: That would leave a whole bunch of people bitter. I
Speaker 1: get that part, but please don't please understand everybody that
Speaker 1: loves basketball or should be rooting for you. For the record,
Speaker 1: John Moran is some awful dude. He's not some dude
Speaker 1: looking to start trouble. Neither is his dad. Dad's a
Speaker 1: little bit conspicuous at the games with the shades on
Speaker 1: and onto. He actually happens to be a real fun
Speaker 1: loving guy. Nobody's sitting up there rooting for you to
Speaker 1: fall on your face and field. What we want to
Speaker 1: see is the greatness we've been seeing from you the
Speaker 1: last few games, when you drop thirty six and the
Speaker 1: loss to Steph Curry and Golden State when he dropped
Speaker 1: fifty two on you. You still have thirty six that game,
Speaker 1: when you sat up there and dropped thirty last night
Speaker 1: and hit the game, win a shot, when you talk
Speaker 1: and smack and you backed it up, That's what we
Speaker 1: want to see. That's all we want to see. You
Speaker 1: don't want to get in trouble because you doing feigning
Speaker 1: gun signs and all of that. Bro, It's not worth it.
Speaker 1: You are very very important to the league, But you
Speaker 1: don't run the league. It existed before you got here,
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be here when you gone. I'm telling
Speaker 1: you right now, I got a number of love for
Speaker 1: Jah Moran. I wish you nothing but the best. You
Speaker 1: gotta be smart. It's a business. And the reason why
Speaker 1: the NBA can be a bit invasive and a bit
Speaker 1: stringent and a bit meticulous at thoms is because they
Speaker 1: have to answer the advertisers and sponsors who essentially provide
Speaker 1: revenue for the league. That's why the NBA gets an
Speaker 1: eleven year, seventy six billion dollar deal because they acquiesce
Speaker 1: too in appeace sponsors and advertisers, and that kind of
Speaker 1: thing hurts their bottom line. It's very simple. It's very simple.
Speaker 1: Don't let something is small get in the way. We
Speaker 1: know it's small, it's not a big deal, but it's
Speaker 1: a big deal to advertises and sponsors, and as a result,
Speaker 1: it's a big deal to the brand that is the NBA,
Speaker 1: Which you play, which unbrell you play under. That's all
Speaker 1: it is. That's all it is. Look at it this way, Joe.
Speaker 1: If you rich boys, they your crew and they cost
Speaker 1: you money. Because they do something relatively foolish, not necessarily harmful,
Speaker 1: not malicious, but they engage in activity that ain't smart.
Speaker 1: You gonna tell them to fix it, or they gotta bounce,
Speaker 1: cause you ain't gonna let them hurt your bottom line.
Speaker 1: That's what the NBA is saying to you. Just know
Speaker 1: that and operate accordingly, and your career will continue to
Speaker 1: prosper and you be able to move on with your
Speaker 1: life and do what you do cause you that special bro.
Speaker 1: That's all time to move on to another subject, subject
Speaker 1: far more important than this particular instance right here, because
Speaker 1: it's a seventy five thousand dollars fine. He hasn't gotten
Speaker 1: suspended or anything like that. John Moran will be fine.
Speaker 1: Now it's time to move on to a different, more
Speaker 1: significant subject, and it's talking to my next guest, who
Speaker 1: I've been waiting to talk to for a while.
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Speaker 1: run your game. Welcome back my next guest as a
Speaker 1: host of the hit ABC competition show, Shark Tank. I'm
Speaker 1: minority owner of the NBA's Dallas Mavericks and maybe just
Speaker 1: maybe a presidential candidate for the United States of America.
Speaker 1: Please welcome to the Steven Asmith Show. To one and
Speaker 1: only mister Mark Cuban. What's going on, big Time? How
Speaker 1: are you met? How's everything?
Speaker 2: It's all good? It's all about you, mister big money.
Speaker 1: I wish, I wish, and please I still don't. I
Speaker 1: still don't make a penny to your dollars. Stop that nonsense.
Speaker 1: Don't even try it. But listen, I couldn't wait to
Speaker 1: talk to you right now. First of all, it's great
Speaker 1: to see y'all. Hope you will. How has life been
Speaker 1: for you since you've sold the majority steak in the
Speaker 1: Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 2: I ma, it's been great. I mean from a personal perspective,
Speaker 2: family perspective, business perspective. You know, we're growing costplus Drugs
Speaker 2: dot com. My kids, you know, my freshman my son
Speaker 2: is playing play basketball this season. My daughter got a
Speaker 2: rowing scholarship to she's had me. My oldest is in college,
Speaker 2: having fun. Everybody's healthy, my wife is happy. I mean,
Speaker 2: this is the way it should.
Speaker 1: Be when you think about it. I mean, obviously, you
Speaker 1: own the Dallas Mavericks, the majority owner for the Dallas
Speaker 1: Mavericks solo for twenty three years. For crying out loud
Speaker 1: and to give that up. Nobody ever imagined that you
Speaker 1: would do that. Put into your own words, why you
Speaker 1: had reached that conclusion and it was time to surrender.
Speaker 1: A majority stake of the franchise.
Speaker 2: I mean one family. You know, I was going to
Speaker 2: away games and you know, my kids were getting out
Speaker 2: of school and moving into their own adult lives, and
Speaker 2: you know, I was missing too much of that, which
Speaker 2: is also the reason why I left Shark Tank. You know,
Speaker 2: the NBA has evolved over the last twenty five years
Speaker 2: where it went from being a very entrepreneurial environment where
Speaker 2: if someone like myself came in, you know, ideas were
Speaker 2: welcome to being a really you know, a pe type
Speaker 2: in the scenario where there were ownership groups, there were
Speaker 2: private equity groups that were buying into teams and owning teams,
Speaker 2: and that kind of changed the dynamic. And it really
Speaker 2: evolved so that in order to compete financially, because that's
Speaker 2: half the battle. On the court is one thing, but
Speaker 2: being able to compete financially is a big part of
Speaker 2: it as well. It didn't play to my strengths any longer.
Speaker 2: You know, really, you hear every single team talk about
Speaker 2: real estate and expanding in casinos, and that just wasn't
Speaker 2: my strength. So and then you know the other part
Speaker 2: again going back to family, when you get on social
Speaker 2: media and you listen to kids, and you listen to
Speaker 2: adults for that matter. On social media and off, people
Speaker 2: were getting mean, you know, And if I was looking
Speaker 2: forward to, you know, ten years from now, my kids
Speaker 2: taking over, I just that's not where I wanted them
Speaker 2: to be or to go. And you know, you look
Speaker 2: at other teams where kids have taken over. Sometimes it
Speaker 2: works a lot of times it doesn't. And I wanted
Speaker 2: them to fight their own path so or find their
Speaker 2: own path, So it just made sense to sell.
Speaker 1: Find their own path is one thing. But I'm I'm
Speaker 1: genuinely asking you this because I'm really interested in hearing
Speaker 1: your response. The world is getting ugly. You're absolutely right,
Speaker 1: And as a guy who's a pundit and can be
Speaker 1: a critic, even I look at it and be like
Speaker 1: you people cross the line. You cross the lines. I
Speaker 1: would never even think to cross. What the hell's wrong
Speaker 1: with these people these days? But the flip side to
Speaker 1: it is that, knowing the world that we're living in,
Speaker 1: knowing how it's regressing before our very eyes, do you
Speaker 1: really really believe that you're gonna be able to shield
Speaker 1: your children?
Speaker 2: Oh No, I didn't say shield, right, Okay, I never
Speaker 2: said I want them to find their own way. In sports,
Speaker 2: it's a different beast right look, And here's the way
Speaker 2: I explain it. When you win a championship, see that
Speaker 2: guy back there, you know, And in any sport, a
Speaker 2: million people might show up for the prey and they're
Speaker 2: that passionate, and that passion leads to when things are good,
Speaker 2: everybody loves you. When things are not good, it's not
Speaker 2: as nearly as much fun that for me. Okay, I
Speaker 2: grew up, you know, before grew up in this industry,
Speaker 2: before social media. I had a great run. But for
Speaker 2: them to find their own path, they can go wherever
Speaker 2: they want. They may not want to be in the
Speaker 2: middle of the storm, or they might not even be
Speaker 2: want to be a public figure. They want to might
Speaker 2: want to be very private. One of my kids is
Speaker 2: like super private and hates the idea of, you know,
Speaker 2: being out in the public. So, you know, I just
Speaker 2: I want them to be curious about life and find
Speaker 2: their own path. And it's tough when you're the heir
Speaker 2: apparent for a basketball team.
Speaker 1: Now, when you sold your team, the Dallas Mavericks the
Speaker 1: majority state to the Adamson and the Dumont families in
Speaker 1: December of twenty twenty three, you talked about being a
Speaker 1: minority owner still maintaining about twenty seven percent if I
Speaker 1: remember correctly, and you said that you would pretty much
Speaker 1: be running still running basketball operations that had that That
Speaker 1: clearly was not the case because Luka Dotic is going
Speaker 1: I'll get into that in a second. But what happened
Speaker 1: to that role? You were supposed to be playing a
Speaker 1: role of running basketball operations? What happened to that? Mal Cuba?
Speaker 2: I think it was fool's goal. I mean, we went
Speaker 2: to the finals. You know, it's only been fifteen months
Speaker 2: since they took over, and we went right to the finals,
Speaker 2: and I think everything seemed easy, and all decisions that
Speaker 2: were made seemed to be perfect. And in that particular case,
Speaker 2: why do you need Mark for any more help? And
Speaker 2: you know, but it's never that easy over the course
Speaker 2: of time. And you know, once we once I was
Speaker 2: out of that picture, we really didn't have anybody that
Speaker 2: had any long term experience in making decisions in the NBA,
Speaker 2: and I think that kind of backfired.
Speaker 1: And I guess what I'm asking this, but if you
Speaker 1: had an agreement where you still own twenty seven percent
Speaker 1: of the franchise, and you're going to be running basketball operations.
Speaker 1: How the hell was that something they were able to
Speaker 1: wiggle their way out of? How did that happen?
Speaker 2: Well, because it was a handshake agreement, and you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: they decided you know, I tried to put it into
Speaker 2: the contract actually in the NBA said no, they said, basically,
Speaker 2: it's between you and the new ownership. And you know,
Speaker 2: they they went in their direction again. You know, mistakes happen.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't think they do it the same
Speaker 2: way now. But it's only been fifteen months and I think,
Speaker 2: you know, they've learned from everything that's happened, and I
Speaker 2: think things will be better for Maps fans going forward.
Speaker 1: The most obvious question you have ever been asked, because
Speaker 1: we all know the answer. If Mark Cuban is still
Speaker 1: the owner for the Dallas Mavericks majority and otherwise, is
Speaker 1: Luka Doncic in La or is he still in Dallas?
Speaker 2: I think he's here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Could you have ever imagined yourself trading Luka Doncic?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Can you explain why the hell they came to that conclusion?
Speaker 2: I don't know, you still don't know. I've heard. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, Nico, is you know, I've heard what Nico
Speaker 2: said publicly privately, you know, and they align and so
Speaker 2: you know, Nico felt it was the best decision, and
Speaker 2: Patrick Doumie agreed with them at the time, and they
Speaker 2: made that decision, and you know, it just that's the
Speaker 2: way the NBA works.
Speaker 1: Did you educate my audience as to what words were
Speaker 1: said as to why Luka Doncic was being traded?
Speaker 2: I mean, Nico decided that, you know, defense wins championships,
Speaker 2: and they thought that he thought that Anthony Davis would
Speaker 2: be a better anchor for our defense. And look, you
Speaker 2: know the truth is between Ad, Derek Lively and Derek
Speaker 2: gafferd that's the best big three big three in the NBA.
Speaker 2: But Luka Doncis is a you know, generational talent. So
Speaker 2: you know, while there's an argument to be made, and
Speaker 2: I understand where Nico's coming from, it's just not the
Speaker 2: same decision I would have made.
Speaker 1: So when they told you, where were you and did
Speaker 1: you collapse in front of their face? Did you go ballistic?
Speaker 1: What was your immediate reaction upon hearing the news that
Speaker 1: this generational talent six years younger than the talent that
Speaker 1: you was bringing in. Although Anthony Davis is a big
Speaker 1: time player. What was your immediate reaction in the moment
Speaker 1: when you were first told the news.
Speaker 2: I was like, you're asking me, right, this isn't done
Speaker 2: and he was like, no, it's done. And I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: you know, nothing more to talk about. I wouldn't have
Speaker 2: done this. And you know, thanks for giving me the call.
Speaker 1: Who did you say that to?
Speaker 2: Who cult you Nico?
Speaker 1: Wow? Wow? One of the things that was reported Mark
Speaker 1: Cuban is that throughout his years, as much of a
Speaker 1: generational talent as we all know Luca to be, his
Speaker 1: dad spoke out upon in the immediate aftermath of the
Speaker 1: trade because of the cynicism that was thrown in Luca's direction,
Speaker 1: doing his own thing, marching to the beat of his
Speaker 1: own drum, you know, controlling his circle to some degree,
Speaker 1: strength and conditioning, etc. Being in shape, all of these
Speaker 1: different things. Was it fair criticism? Was it exaggerated? Was
Speaker 1: he being maligned unnecessarily in your eyes?
Speaker 2: I mean, look, everybody saw him. It wasn't like he
Speaker 2: was ripped and had a six pack. But what I
Speaker 2: think what the biggest mistake was, and trying to understand
Speaker 2: Luca is he's from the Balkans, right, he's Slovenian, and
Speaker 2: you know, you look at Jokic, who's Serbian, and you
Speaker 2: look at Serbian players in general, they're just a different mindset, right.
Speaker 2: They look at the game different they look at life differently,
Speaker 2: they look at their they're emotionally, you know, the guys
Speaker 2: that I've gotten to know from that, from that region
Speaker 2: of the world are different. And I think that was
Speaker 2: what was not considered as fully as it should have been.
Speaker 2: That you've got to understand what people are like, what
Speaker 2: their backgrounds are like, who they are personally, what their
Speaker 2: families are like, you know, how they interact with other people,
Speaker 2: and from that part of the world. And my experience
Speaker 2: is Luca was just you know, other than the basketball talent,
Speaker 2: he was just like every other guy, and you know,
Speaker 2: and I think that was one of the reasons he
Speaker 2: loves to play with the Slovenian team. He relates so
Speaker 2: well to all the other players from that part of
Speaker 2: the world, and you know, over the summers, that's who
Speaker 2: he's hanging out with, that that's who he is. And
Speaker 2: so I don't think that we truly took the time
Speaker 2: to understand that. And I think that really led to
Speaker 2: this decision, and that that and that really underpinned this decision,
Speaker 2: that lack of attention to that that issue, and I
Speaker 2: think that's here we are.
Speaker 1: Mark educate us when you say he was a bit different,
Speaker 1: not so much about him, but about those players from
Speaker 1: Europe compared to American players, And you say he's a
Speaker 1: bit different, folks needed to understand that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: What are the kind of things that you noticed about
Speaker 1: him and about players from overseas, from Europe.
Speaker 2: Different even overseas players. If you've never seen a game
Speaker 2: in Serbia, Okay, they're going, like j just said before,
Speaker 2: Joker said, you know, oh guys are yelling at me. No, dude,
Speaker 2: have you ever seen a game in Serbia? And you
Speaker 2: watch him. That's where you see the videos of the
Speaker 2: entire stadium bouncing up and down. And you know, look
Speaker 2: at Jokic's brothers. They're aggressive, right, they don't put up
Speaker 2: with anything, you know, just you know, when we had Bobon,
Speaker 2: Bobon was a big teddy beer, but he could be
Speaker 2: aggressive too on the court. And so just that mindset
Speaker 2: that you just when you're on the court, your intensity
Speaker 2: is at a different level, you know, and you see
Speaker 2: that with Jokish, you see that with Luca, you see
Speaker 2: that with other players, and that historically has been who
Speaker 2: they are. And you have to understand where people are
Speaker 2: from in the world. That culture, you know, the culture
Speaker 2: you grow up in, makes the difference to who you
Speaker 2: are as an athlete, as a professional in any sport,
Speaker 2: and as a business person for that matter.
Speaker 1: Is that good for the NBA in this day and age.
Speaker 1: Is it what's need? Yes?
Speaker 2: Yes, it's great, right because you know, the beauty of
Speaker 2: the NBA is that we accept all cultures from around
Speaker 2: the world because you know, they're all different, and that's
Speaker 2: what makes us unique in that we're very, very accepting
Speaker 2: no matter where you are, where you are from. And
Speaker 2: I think it's amazing, you know. And you know when
Speaker 2: you see Zukah, like when I went to LA with
Speaker 2: my son when we played there against it for the
Speaker 2: first time, and I told him I was gonna boom
Speaker 2: when he was on the free throw line. So I did,
Speaker 2: and I was smiling and laughing, and he was, you know,
Speaker 2: he got really intense, because he's always really intense on
Speaker 2: the court. Always. You see his response to the referees,
Speaker 2: you see his responses to anybody. He is intense and
Speaker 2: while you know, Joker may not be as purely emotional,
Speaker 2: and I don't get to see as many of his games.
Speaker 2: The guy is intense, you know, but when the game
Speaker 2: is over and he goes back home, he's more interested
Speaker 2: in harness racing, which, by the way, I grew up
Speaker 2: watching my entire life, so I don't blame him. But
Speaker 2: you know, they go back and they live their lives.
Speaker 2: It's just different, and you've got to accept those differences
Speaker 2: in players from that part of the world. And I
Speaker 2: think that was part of our mistake.
Speaker 1: Well, listen, the way you describe Lucan players from that
Speaker 1: part of the world sounds a lot like Mark Cuban.
Speaker 1: And I don't recall you being born in the Balkans.
Speaker 1: I mean your intensity level for it.
Speaker 2: Well, go ahead, let me just tell you one. Grandparents
Speaker 2: from Lithuania. Okay, multiple from Ukraine.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: You know. So I got the end of my blood
Speaker 2: stephen A.
Speaker 1: I got you. I got you absolutely. Before I get
Speaker 1: into my questions that are non sports related, I wanted
Speaker 1: to read you something. Did you see this Rasmussein pole
Speaker 1: conducted by Pablo Torre finds out it's of one twenty
Speaker 1: one likely voters who were asked who would be the
Speaker 1: best Democratic candidate for vice president for twenty twenty eight?
Speaker 1: Would you check out this please? What's your reaction to this?
Speaker 1: Right here, Mark Cuban is leading to raise first, there
Speaker 1: we go. That's right. That's what they did. That wasn't enough.
Speaker 1: That was them.
Speaker 2: I did second fiddle to nobody, damn right. So but
Speaker 2: you know, if I ever do decide to run, which
Speaker 2: won't happen, even that you can be my VP.
Speaker 1: No, if you ain't playing second fid the one would
Speaker 1: make you think I want to play second fitter.
Speaker 2: I'm not doing that because that's who you are, Bro,
Speaker 2: That's who you are.
Speaker 1: I'm second fiddle, that's what you're telling me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, go, never mind listen.
Speaker 1: At least chief established secretary of State or something, not
Speaker 1: the vice president, not the vice president. But let me
Speaker 1: ask you this. You know you've been a vocal critic
Speaker 1: of President Donald Trump, but revealed on the All In
Speaker 1: podcast that he reached out to you in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four and offered you a position in his administration. First
Speaker 1: of all, in what capacity was that and did you
Speaker 1: ever consider it?
Speaker 2: No, he didn't offer me in a position ever, so
Speaker 2: that that never happened. But back in his first administration,
Speaker 2: I went and talked to him and talked to others
Speaker 2: about helping with health care. And I actually talked to
Speaker 2: people in the administration now bringing up just basic things
Speaker 2: about health care and pharmacy pricing because of our success
Speaker 2: with costplus Drugs dot Com and so, look, I'm all
Speaker 2: about Team USA. Whatever I can do to help this country,
Speaker 2: I'm going to do it. You know, it's you know,
Speaker 2: it's like sports. I played rugby forever. You beat the
Speaker 2: hell out of each other during the game. After the game,
Speaker 2: you have a beer. This is, you know, my mind
Speaker 2: the same way. You know, if I can help cut
Speaker 2: the cost of health care in the United States of America,
Speaker 2: doesn't matter who the president is, whether I like him
Speaker 2: or dislike him, I'm going to do what I can.
Speaker 1: How do you feel about what he's been doing so far,
Speaker 1: not just in the first seventy two seventy three days,
Speaker 1: but specifically with this whole tariff war he's created. What
Speaker 1: are your thought?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's the problem. I think he and
Speaker 2: Elon aren't aligned in their thinking. I think Elon's first
Speaker 2: goal is to reduce the deficit, and one path to
Speaker 2: reduce the deficit is by the economy declining and contracting.
Speaker 2: The idea is that if the economy contracts, then you
Speaker 2: have to reduce interest rates in order to you know,
Speaker 2: get it fired back up again. And by by reducing
Speaker 2: interest rates, since that's one of the biggest components of
Speaker 2: the national debt, then you push down the national debt.
Speaker 2: The problem is you can't reduce interest rates, and why
Speaker 2: you're increasing tariffs because tariffs, particularly to the extent that
Speaker 2: they've been implemented here this week, are very, very inflationary.
Speaker 2: So you create this catch twenty two. And then on
Speaker 2: top of that with all the DOGE cuts, which I
Speaker 2: think are going to have a disproportionate impact on small
Speaker 2: towns and cities in the United States of America, then
Speaker 2: all these things happening at once, and that's really bad
Speaker 2: for the economy.
Speaker 1: That doesn't sound like America. First to me, that doesn't
Speaker 1: sound like it makes a lot of sense what they're
Speaker 1: doing right now. And as somebody write this to me,
Speaker 1: they said, his formula is screwed. First it was an
Speaker 1: election too, talking about the terriffs. First it was an
Speaker 1: election tool. Then it was a negotiating tool. Now it's
Speaker 1: here to stay. He's all over the place. This is
Speaker 1: what people are saying about him as it pertains to tariffs.
Speaker 1: Do you find yourself thinking in that regard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what I think is they're very dogmatic. You know.
Speaker 2: Elon is very dogmatic cut cut, cut, cut cut, and
Speaker 2: Trump is very dogmatic tariffs, you know, or a beautiful
Speaker 2: word and we're going to have tariffs. They don't go
Speaker 2: together at all. Something's got to give, and right now
Speaker 2: it's the stock market.
Speaker 1: And I'm looking at it from this standpoint. The thing
Speaker 1: that really struck me, Mark is that the Republicans, this
Speaker 1: is a party that religiously preaches about the importance of
Speaker 1: lowering taxes. How are you going to sit up there
Speaker 1: and raise and create a tariff war and in the
Speaker 1: same breath lower taxes. It seems to be antithetical to
Speaker 1: anything that they've been preaching about for decades. I don't
Speaker 1: find their message to be consistent at all in that
Speaker 1: regard to that job.
Speaker 2: No. I mean, look, the parties are not as important
Speaker 2: as they used to be, and the Republican Party is
Speaker 2: the Trump family business now. And you know, maybe that's
Speaker 2: good in some respect, but that it also means that
Speaker 2: everybody's just going to go along. Everybody in that party
Speaker 2: is going to go along with whatever Donald Trump says.
Speaker 2: And if he says tariffs are good, everybody's out there
Speaker 2: saying tariffs are good. Howard Luck. Oh, Donald Trump has
Speaker 2: been wanting tariffs for thirty years. He's the smartest guy
Speaker 2: I know. Let's you know, tariffs are going to be
Speaker 2: amazing until they aren't.
Speaker 1: Not only that, it's increasing taxes on small businesses as well.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean, I mean this is exact. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is this is the bread and butter of the
Speaker 1: American economy, and it's increasing taxes on small businesses and
Speaker 1: on regular, average, every day American.
Speaker 2: Since they're three million, there are thirty three million companies
Speaker 2: in this country. There are only twenty one thousand that
Speaker 2: have five hundred or more employees. The other thirty two
Speaker 2: point whatever million. They don't have the money to absorb tariffs.
Speaker 2: They can't just raise prices. They you know, they are
Speaker 2: going to get hurt. And so that's a real problem
Speaker 2: that I don't think they've thunk through.
Speaker 1: Why is it? Tell us and remind us why you
Speaker 1: were so supportive of Kamala Harris and the Democratic Party
Speaker 1: considering how chaotic things look. And we ultimately learned that
Speaker 1: side of.
Speaker 2: The aisle was because she wasn't Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: Simple as playing just that simple. If it were anybody
Speaker 1: else other than Donald Trump, Let's say, for example, it
Speaker 1: was NICKI Haley. Let's say, for example, what was Ron DeSantis,
Speaker 1: Chris CHRISTI even if a vec Ramaswami or somebody, are
Speaker 1: you saying that, you may have thought differently.
Speaker 2: I voted for Nicky Haley in the Texas primary.
Speaker 1: I got you, so you would have voted for her
Speaker 1: for presidency if she had wanted Rebla.
Speaker 2: There was a lot more to learn, right. You can't
Speaker 2: just you know, jump based up on what was happening
Speaker 2: to the point of the primaries. I didn't agree with
Speaker 2: everything she said, but I certainly would have considered it.
Speaker 2: And look, I like Talma. I don't want to throw
Speaker 2: her under the bus. She's smarter than people give her
Speaker 2: credit for. But I think she was really held back
Speaker 2: by her team. They would not let her do just
Speaker 2: basic things that would have made a lot of difference.
Speaker 1: Marka, you are you a reachtered Republican?
Speaker 2: No, I'm independent?
Speaker 1: Okay, So am I. I just want to make sure
Speaker 1: I cover I checked that, you know. I asked that
Speaker 1: question because as I look at I've been taking a
Speaker 1: lot of heat because I've been pointing the finger the
Speaker 1: Democratic Party. I'm like, I ain't gotta apologize for a
Speaker 1: damn thing. I voted for vot. I voted for him,
Speaker 1: you know, and and I was rooting for them, but
Speaker 1: I was so disgusted because I felt that they got
Speaker 1: caught up in identity politics, cancer coach and all of
Speaker 1: that stuff and wasn't talking about everything. Talk about that
Speaker 1: for a second.
Speaker 2: So I mean, what did Donald Trump do that was
Speaker 2: really smart? And he just drove home right. He told
Speaker 2: every white guy, not just white guys, you know, guys
Speaker 2: who worked in big companies, that DEI was the reason
Speaker 2: why you weren't getting the job or why you weren't
Speaker 2: getting promoted. And he told people of color that, you know,
Speaker 2: or not just people of color, people who were in
Speaker 2: lower paying jobs, the reason why you weren't getting paid
Speaker 2: more is because immigrants were coming here illegally and taking
Speaker 2: your jobs. And he wasn't wrong to a certain extent.
Speaker 2: You know, the Democrats were so you know about identity
Speaker 2: politics and you know, you know, we have to help
Speaker 2: all these underprivileged people. Well, we all want to help
Speaker 2: people who are disadvantaged, whether they're t whether they're black,
Speaker 2: whether they're white, whether they're poor, you know, whoever. We
Speaker 2: want to help those people. But you don't have to
Speaker 2: make it that you do what you do rather than
Speaker 2: just talk about it. Right, and by just pushing all
Speaker 2: these agendas to push DI and I'm a fan of DEI,
Speaker 2: I think it really turned off a lot of people
Speaker 2: who felt like they were being diminished. And then there
Speaker 2: were you know, particularly in universities, the way they implemented
Speaker 2: DEI and spend tens of millions of dollars instead of
Speaker 2: just helping people that need help. Okay, Stephen, you need help,
Speaker 2: let me find a way to help you. That's what
Speaker 2: we're going to do. It was let's put together these programs,
Speaker 2: let's spend all this money. Let's tell people that they
Speaker 2: are racist when they're not racist. There are plenty of racists.
Speaker 2: We don't need to call people who aren't racist racist.
Speaker 2: And so, you know, doing things like that, you know,
Speaker 2: the whole sports transports issue, you know, it's like the
Speaker 2: old Willie Horton thing, you know, My attitude is, if
Speaker 2: there's a trans athlete, no matter what side, you let
Speaker 2: the opponent, whether it's an individual sport or a team sport,
Speaker 2: you let them decide if they wanted to compete against
Speaker 2: them or not, if they feel they can win, if
Speaker 2: they feel it's not fair, it's up to them. But
Speaker 2: to make it just a national issue so that if
Speaker 2: you weren't supporting the fewer than ten trans athletes in
Speaker 2: the NC Double A, then you know you weren't a
Speaker 2: good person. I just people aren't ready for that yet,
Speaker 2: and you've got to meet people where they are. We've
Speaker 2: gotten we've taken this country so far in race, relationships, rations,
Speaker 2: and attitudes towards LGTBQ. You know it takes time. You
Speaker 2: can't just force it down people's throat. And instead of
Speaker 2: trying to get it where the people who are being
Speaker 2: disadvantaged and being discriminated against are helped, they wanted to
Speaker 2: make it a campaign issue focused on helping the people,
Speaker 2: not using them to campaign.
Speaker 1: How does it make any sense to you. Let's say,
Speaker 1: for example, this compartmental liize and take the trans athlete issue.
Speaker 1: We're talking about folks that make up less than one
Speaker 1: percent of the population, and they made it a big
Speaker 1: deal during their campaign. What kind of thinking do you
Speaker 1: connect that to? For the Democratic Party to take that
Speaker 1: kind of approach where there were vast swaths of the
Speaker 1: American electorate that they were ignoring in favor of a
Speaker 1: considerably smaller swathp how do you explain it?
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I get wanting to stand up
Speaker 2: for people who are being discriminated. Again, absolutely, I get
Speaker 2: wanting to stand up for people who are in pain,
Speaker 2: who are who can't get jobs because of how they
Speaker 2: look or how they sound, or where they're from, or
Speaker 2: what's happened to them. You know, the choices they've made
Speaker 2: and how they're identified. Help them, but you've got to
Speaker 2: look at the goal. How do you help them? Is
Speaker 2: the goal? Not how do you make a point to
Speaker 2: you know, the rest of America that they're discriminatory and
Speaker 2: we're not. That. There's no value in trying to prove
Speaker 2: someone else discriminates and you don't, right. The value comes
Speaker 2: in focusing that energy on actually helping the people, not
Speaker 2: trying to use them to sell something.
Speaker 1: Last question on this subject, I want to see if
Speaker 1: you agree or disagree with me on this. I'm looking
Speaker 1: at the Democratic Party, and I think there's a lot
Speaker 1: of spectacular local talent, and I like Jos Shapiro to
Speaker 1: governor of Pennsylvania. I really really like Wes Moore. I
Speaker 1: look at them and I say, yes, I like them.
Speaker 1: The way they're looking at politics, they might as well
Speaker 1: stay in their own state. I don't see a national
Speaker 1: voice for the Democratic Party. So I'm of the mindset
Speaker 1: that as bad as this situation seems to be with
Speaker 1: tariffs and how it may potentially wreck our economy, if
Speaker 1: you're listening to a lot of centrist in those on
Speaker 1: the left, my other attitude is the best way to
Speaker 1: combat all of that is for the Dems to win
Speaker 1: the mid term elections. And the best way for them
Speaker 1: to do that is by letting Donald Trump do what
Speaker 1: he wants to do so he can mess up, and
Speaker 1: that way you can slide up in there and recover
Speaker 1: from the disastrous, disastrous stuff that happened this past election.
Speaker 1: To say what, So, I.
Speaker 2: Think the Democrats locally have to do things right. You're
Speaker 2: gonna get Bernie, You're gonna get AOC going out and
Speaker 2: going on their tour and get people amped up. And
Speaker 2: that's fine, right, But the reality is, let's just look
Speaker 2: at DOGE, right, the cuts that DOGE are is making
Speaker 2: to jobs, firing all those people, closing offices, canceling contracts
Speaker 2: to universities through the NIH, through you know, other organization,
Speaker 2: other agencies. Right, That has a disproportional impact on small
Speaker 2: town America. So I read something that you know in
Speaker 2: Iowa City, Iowa that just through the NIH there were
Speaker 2: seventy nine million dollars in grants that look like they'll
Speaker 2: be canceled. That's very impactful in that district. And apparently
Speaker 2: the woman who won Republican who won, only won by
Speaker 2: eight hundred votes. You've got to go where you can
Speaker 2: help those people who are being disadvantaged by all these
Speaker 2: DOGE cuts. You go to Parkersburg, West Virginia, where there's
Speaker 2: a Treasury office that has two thousand people. I don't
Speaker 2: know how many people are going to get fired, but
Speaker 2: first hundred twenty five already have. When you fire one
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty five people in a pound that only
Speaker 2: has twenty nine thousand total, probably fifteen thousand working, and
Speaker 2: there's potential for another eighteen hundred and seventy five to
Speaker 2: be cutting in offices to be closed the Democrats need
Speaker 2: to be going there and talking to the mayors, talking
Speaker 2: to the tax assessory, talking to the people in the
Speaker 2: county and saying, look, this is all going to fall
Speaker 2: on you. Everything's going to roll downhill and hit your
Speaker 2: budget and you're going to have to cut all these services.
Speaker 2: Let us work with you to come up with solutions
Speaker 2: so that you see the Democrats as the solution rather
Speaker 2: than the Republicans that are creating this problem. But if
Speaker 2: you just say Democrats bad, Trump bad, you know, every
Speaker 2: time you bring up Donald Trump in a small town,
Speaker 2: it's a trigger word one way or the other. There's
Speaker 2: just no point to talk about him. What you've got
Speaker 2: to do is go in there and help the people
Speaker 2: that need help. And that's the thing you'll hear me
Speaker 2: talking about all the time. No matter what the tip.
Speaker 2: When these decisions like teriffs and those are made, there
Speaker 2: are people who are being disadvantaged. There are people who
Speaker 2: are losing their jobs, their livelihoods, their companies, their towns
Speaker 2: are not going to be able to offer the same services.
Speaker 2: The COVID money that is using for there's now being
Speaker 2: used for a mental health clinic or an opioid clinic.
Speaker 2: Those are going to get cut. Who's going to come
Speaker 2: in there and help them resolve those issues that those
Speaker 2: cuts have created. That's what the Democrats need to do.
Speaker 2: They need to go in there and talk to those people,
Speaker 2: hold the town halls, listen to them, and rather than
Speaker 2: always having a Democrat standing behind e lectern lecturing, let
Speaker 2: those people who are facing these challenges talk for them.
Speaker 2: Because if you hear somebody from Parkersburg, West Virginia, if
Speaker 2: you hear a cattle farmer from Nebraska, if you hear
Speaker 2: somebody at the University of Iowa who's studying the cure
Speaker 2: for cancer, whatever it may be. If you hear somebody
Speaker 2: in West virgin that used to work for the agency
Speaker 2: that make sure that there were safety in the coal mines,
Speaker 2: and you talk to the coal miners who now are
Speaker 2: scared to go and do their job. Put aside whether
Speaker 2: the environment, they're just terrified. You know that there's not
Speaker 2: going to be stafety standards. Talk to those people and
Speaker 2: let them do the talking for you. That is how
Speaker 2: you going to get momentum if you're the Democrats.
Speaker 1: Mark you launched cost plus Drugs in January twenty twenty
Speaker 1: two to cut the middleman out of getting prescription drugs
Speaker 1: into the hands of consumers, and that's helped millions. How
Speaker 1: will the new terriffs affect that business?
Speaker 2: Right now, they're not. But what we'll do is if
Speaker 2: there's a ten percent, twenty percent terror, we'll add that
Speaker 2: on to the cost. So right now, the way cost
Speaker 2: plus Drugs works, you go to costplus drugs dot com.
Speaker 2: You put in the name of the medication. If we
Speaker 2: carry it, and we carry about twenty five hundred SKUs,
Speaker 2: it'll come up and we'll show you our actual costs
Speaker 2: and then we'll show you our markup, which is only
Speaker 2: fifteen percent, and because we only market up fifteen we're
Speaker 2: almost always cheaper. If there's a tariff, we'll show you
Speaker 2: what the actual tariff is. We'll be completely transparent, and
Speaker 2: we'll show you what it is and hopefully, since it's
Speaker 2: you know, some percentage of a lower amount, will actually
Speaker 2: end up being even cheaper than the alternatives.
Speaker 1: Are you going to run for president? Do you believe?
Speaker 1: You don't think so? Do you believe that you could
Speaker 1: beat any Democratic candidate out there?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So why would it you run when you have the
Speaker 1: heart the intelligence to make a difference, And obviously deep.
Speaker 2: Pockets because I think I can really change healthcare and
Speaker 2: fix healthcare, and i'd rather be on that mission. And
Speaker 2: when I'm ninety five years.
Speaker 4: Old and I'm on my deathbed and I'm thinking about life,
Speaker 4: I'd rather think about those minutes I spent with my
Speaker 4: kids and the time I was able to spend with
Speaker 4: them at this age, rather than running around on a
Speaker 4: campaign trail or even being in the White House.
Speaker 1: What's your chances of fixing healthcare if this man is
Speaker 1: still in office?
Speaker 2: I think, you know, he actually helps to a certain extent. Okay,
Speaker 2: how because I think the people he's putting in there
Speaker 2: they need help, right they know what they don't know. Fortunately,
Speaker 2: and so the people that I've talked to have said, look,
Speaker 2: the doors wide open to come in and help us
Speaker 2: figure these things out, to show it, you know, to
Speaker 2: demonstrate to us why the pharmacy benefit managers are problems
Speaker 2: and why they're increasing the cost of medications while the insurance,
Speaker 2: the biggest insurance companies are increasing the cost of health care.
Speaker 2: We're ready to listen. The people that he's appointed have said,
Speaker 2: or through their intermediaries have said, we're ready to listen.
Speaker 2: We think you can help I'm sending them data, so
Speaker 2: I think there's a path there.
Speaker 1: And who are these people that he appointed that you
Speaker 1: alluded to? RFK Junior? Who him anybody else?
Speaker 2: I hadn't talked to those guys, but I talked to
Speaker 2: people who work for them.
Speaker 1: I got you. Let me transition back to sports before
Speaker 1: I let you get on out of here, because recently
Speaker 1: you went on You were on the All the Smoke
Speaker 1: podcasts with my boys, you know, Matt Bonds and Stephen Jackson.
Speaker 1: You have some great things to say about Stop play
Speaker 1: at Kyrie Irvin and what he means to you and
Speaker 1: what he means to the gay. He and I have
Speaker 1: had our differences in the past, but I know he's
Speaker 1: a good brother and I've offously even when we were
Speaker 1: butting heads, I religiously said, that's just he and I
Speaker 1: button heads over something. I respect the hell out of
Speaker 1: that guy, and I know what a spectacular play he is.
Speaker 1: He's a good dude. Your thoughts about Kyrie Irving.
Speaker 2: Love him to death. Man. He has just got a
Speaker 2: heart of gold and some you know, you could say
Speaker 2: that his biggest problem is he's you know, his heart
Speaker 2: is too big. But I love him. I care for him.
Speaker 2: I just want nothing but the best for him and
Speaker 2: his family. And oh, by the way, I don't have
Speaker 2: mind right now, but those Kyrie's I just got some
Speaker 2: of the newest ones. They're firevoys. Okay, so go out
Speaker 2: and try those two.
Speaker 1: How's he doing? How's he doing mentally and otherwise? Sense
Speaker 1: of surgery.
Speaker 2: I mean, he sees it as just another challenge that
Speaker 2: he's got to fight through. You know, you if you
Speaker 2: saw the you know you're showing the replay here, if
Speaker 2: you saw him at the three three throw when he
Speaker 2: you know, miles of the words, thank you God. That's
Speaker 2: how Kyrie approaches life, where he's like, this is what
Speaker 2: I've been given. I've been giving these these amazing talents,
Speaker 2: but I'm also going to be giving challenges and this
Speaker 2: is one more. And Kyrie has just got that focus
Speaker 2: and that intensity. He's in a lot of respects. He's
Speaker 2: like Dirk in that respect where when Dirk got heard
Speaker 2: or something happened, Dirk found a way to fight through,
Speaker 2: and Kyrie's the same way.
Speaker 1: You're back at a startup taking on TikTok is called Skylight.
Speaker 1: Talk about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's a couple of actually that I'm
Speaker 2: working with that you know, who knows what happens with TikTok.
Speaker 2: But I'm big on a platform called oh my God,
Speaker 2: not I want to call him my space blue Sky.
Speaker 2: So I'm really big on a platform called Blue Sky,
Speaker 2: and Blue Sky is a moderated social media platform and
Speaker 2: working with Skylight that allows them to add TikTok like
Speaker 2: videos and the beautiful part of it. It's distributed, so
Speaker 2: there's no one person that can control it. But it's
Speaker 2: moderated so you can have normal conversations. There's not people
Speaker 2: coming out with hate and anti Semitic things. You know,
Speaker 2: those people get booted off. So I can have real
Speaker 2: social media like conversations on Blue Sky. And so you
Speaker 2: can follow me there at mcuban and you can see
Speaker 2: all these things.
Speaker 1: What's this about some change maker AI contest you've got
Speaker 1: going on?
Speaker 2: Oh, that's with the Forward Party and so AI like you.
Speaker 2: AI is just the coolest shit I've ever seen in technology.
Speaker 2: It is just unreal. Like I've been through a lot
Speaker 2: of technological revolutions going way back, but there's nothing like
Speaker 2: artificial intelligence, and you know, doing things like creating videos
Speaker 2: through text prompts. You could say you know show, create
Speaker 2: a video with Mark and Steven A talking about sports
Speaker 2: in front of you know this background, and just hit
Speaker 2: enter and it'll in two minutes it'll crank something out
Speaker 2: that you can start from. So, you know, prompt text
Speaker 2: to video, you know, talking to chat, GPT, you know,
Speaker 2: or Anthropic or all the different competitors Gemini, here's one
Speaker 2: for you, Steven. Have you heard of notebook LM?
Speaker 1: I have?
Speaker 2: Have you tried that?
Speaker 1: I have not. I have not tried it, but I
Speaker 1: just heard about it the other day. I didn't know
Speaker 1: anything about it till the other day.
Speaker 2: So this stuff is crazy, right, So take a transcript
Speaker 2: of this show, our interview and go to Google Notebook
Speaker 2: LM Studio and put it in there and create a
Speaker 2: podcast out of it. You'll be two people, a man
Speaker 2: and a woman that will just start talking about It'll
Speaker 2: be like, so stephen A had something interesting to stay
Speaker 2: about politics? What do you It's just insane. And why
Speaker 2: that's important is kids today gen z and younger don't
Speaker 2: like to read. When we grew up, reading was it
Speaker 2: was fundamental, right, It was critically important to learning and
Speaker 2: being curious. Now people want to listen to podcasts. They
Speaker 2: want to, you know, watch and listen on YouTube. Being
Speaker 2: able to take things that are text and books and
Speaker 2: written and turning them into a podcast makes it easier
Speaker 2: to connect to your gen Z employees, gen Z students,
Speaker 2: whatever it may be. And I think just those types
Speaker 2: of tools from AI, they're going to change the world.
Speaker 1: Don't you worry at all about the negative impact that
Speaker 1: can have on a job market. These computers, this new technology,
Speaker 1: it's going to cost a lot of American citizens, a
Speaker 1: lot of people throughout the world jobs. I'm talking about
Speaker 1: human beings. I mean that isn't that the truth?
Speaker 2: Yes and no, there's going to be disruption during the
Speaker 2: transition times. I think overall it'll create a lot more
Speaker 2: jobs because it's a tool that can allow people to
Speaker 2: be more creative, to be smarter. You know, it's like
Speaker 2: having your own mentor available to you all the time.
Speaker 2: You know, if you don't have an advanced education, it
Speaker 2: can act as a professor that can answer your questions.
Speaker 2: So I think it'll make people more capable, competent, and
Speaker 2: more employable. But in the intermis it's just like the
Speaker 2: old days, right you went from records to CDs and
Speaker 2: cassettes two DVD to digital and they're gone and people
Speaker 2: lost their jobs, and so it's unfortunate and you have
Speaker 2: to try to come up with programs that help them.
Speaker 2: But the reality is it's it's not going to stop.
Speaker 2: There's nothing you can do to stop it. Globally, and
Speaker 2: from a business perspective, there's going to be two types
Speaker 2: of companies, those who are great at AI and everybody else.
Speaker 2: And the better part about it, Stephen, is that there's
Speaker 2: going to be twelve year old kids, fourteen year old
Speaker 2: kids that use AI to create billion dollar companies because
Speaker 2: they put in the time to understand where the opportunities
Speaker 2: are and the opportunities that AI creates, and they go
Speaker 2: to work with them. If I was sixteen and I
Speaker 2: always looking to start a company, I would be like
Speaker 2: the smartest dude on AI in my neighborhood and go
Speaker 2: to the small medium sized businesses and show them how
Speaker 2: to use it. Or I would start my own business
Speaker 2: build around AI because it's going to be unstoppable.
Speaker 1: Last question for you, back to basketball. If I said
Speaker 1: your twenty seven percent stake in the Dallas Mavericks is
Speaker 1: on the line. With the right answer to this question,
Speaker 1: who's meeting in the NBA Finals and who's gonna win
Speaker 1: it all?
Speaker 2: What you're telling me the Dallas Mavericks are gonna shock
Speaker 2: the world?
Speaker 1: What you stop that nonsense? But come on, man, I
Speaker 1: just asked you.
Speaker 2: M f al to the core. You forget. I was
Speaker 2: the season ticket owner in the nineties when if we
Speaker 2: won eleven games, that was a good season, and so
Speaker 2: I am hardcore MAVs. You can never get me off
Speaker 2: of that ever.
Speaker 1: Love you, man, It's good to see man. Thank you
Speaker 1: for being on the show. Buddy. I talked to you soon,
Speaker 1: all right, Stephen, thank you one and only Mark Cuban
Speaker 1: right here on the Steven A. Smith Show. That man special,
Speaker 1: That man special. I'll give that to him. The Mavericks,
Speaker 1: you ain't make a play. They might not. We'll talk
Speaker 1: about that later. Up next. There's an HVCU All Star
Speaker 1: Game scheduled to take place this week as well. We
Speaker 1: can't forget to point that out because guess what. Yes,
Speaker 1: predominantly white institutions got a bulk a mullet of money
Speaker 1: and a bulk of talent. But HBCUs ain't no joke, y'all.
Speaker 1: I would know. I'm one of them. The founder for
Speaker 1: HBCU All Star Weekend and then some up next one
Speaker 1: and only Travis L. Williams with yours Truley right here
Speaker 1: on Stephen AX Smith Show Back for more. I mean,
Speaker 1: welcome back to Steven AH Smith Show. As I said,
Speaker 1: I am a graduate of Winston Salem State University, very
Speaker 1: very proud graduate of HUH of an HBCU UH, which
Speaker 1: is something that obviously I talk about an awful lot.
Speaker 1: It's one of my missions in life to do everything
Speaker 1: that I can to help HBCUs continue to grow and
Speaker 1: to prosper, to gain the recognition and notoriety it so
Speaker 1: richly deserves across this nation. And what better way to
Speaker 1: tackle such a thing, to bring attention to such a thing,
Speaker 1: about talking or then talking to my next guest. He's
Speaker 1: a special dude doing special things. I can't wait for
Speaker 1: y'all to hear from this man right now. My next
Speaker 1: guest is the founder of sports marketing and media company
Speaker 1: HBCU All Stars LLC. He's here to discuss the upcoming
Speaker 1: HBCU All Star Game as a proud graduate of Winston
Speaker 1: Salem State University. Anytime I can spotlight HBCUs, you know
Speaker 1: I'm about to do that. Please welcome mister Travis L.
Speaker 1: Williams to the show. What's going on? Travis? How are you?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 1: How's everything everything?
Speaker 3: Good man? Thank you for having me on the show.
Speaker 5: Like I said, less than thirteen days, we're getting ready
Speaker 5: to host a historic and epic event, Final four weekend
Speaker 5: in a great city of San Antonio.
Speaker 1: I can't wait for it. This is the fourth year
Speaker 1: the HBCU All Star Game. For those who may not
Speaker 1: be familiar with it, explain tell us what's going on?
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is fourth a your HBCU All Star Game
Speaker 5: for the men and so. We currently have the nation's
Speaker 5: top twenty four men's HBCU All Stars represent all fort
Speaker 5: They and out our prestigious HBCUs from our four premier
Speaker 5: Black College Conference, a conference that you're familiar with.
Speaker 3: To see double A, Big Claars, Big House Games.
Speaker 5: The SIEC, the Swack, the me at our independent schools
Speaker 5: Tennessee State, Hempton, North Carolina, an t So, we have
Speaker 5: some of the nation's top black college basketball players. For
Speaker 5: more point, as you mentioned, the first ever women HBCU
Speaker 5: All Star Game ever. Okay, the forty year history of
Speaker 5: the NCAA March Madness turnmer so This is going to
Speaker 5: be a historic doubleheader beaching the nation's top men and
Speaker 5: the nation's top twenty four women that will represent the
Speaker 5: culture of black college basketball.
Speaker 1: Are both games. Are both games gonna be played on
Speaker 1: the same day. It's gonna be sepid days.
Speaker 3: Now that's a doubleheader.
Speaker 5: So our men would start twelve pm Central Standard time
Speaker 5: one pm Eastern Time in San Antonio and our women
Speaker 5: game immediately following. So we're truly excited for this historic
Speaker 5: moment first time ever.
Speaker 1: Now, the game has been televised on CBS for Sports
Speaker 1: for the last three years, but now you have a
Speaker 1: new broadcast partnership. Talk about that for a second.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's been a we had a great historic ron
Speaker 5: there with CBS Sports for the past three years. We
Speaker 5: just reached announced a partnership with the CW network that
Speaker 5: we're truly excited with the seed of network, but also
Speaker 5: a few days ago NBC Universal hecock plus NBC Sports Channel,
Speaker 5: So both men and women HBCU All Stars games will
Speaker 5: actually have a national and global platform to showcase the
Speaker 5: best in black college basketball. Truly excited about that, and
Speaker 5: we're really excited for this great opportunity in partnership.
Speaker 1: Let me get back to the women for a second here,
Speaker 1: because I'm just looking at my notes. First round of
Speaker 1: NCAA Tournament, number thirteen c Norfolk State gave Maryland a
Speaker 1: run for its money or right before falling in that matchup,
Speaker 1: Southern University defeated UC San Diego for its first NCAA tournament,
Speaker 1: winning seven appearances. To the growth of the WNBA influence
Speaker 1: your decision to add the ladies game for this HBCUO sooe, Well.
Speaker 5: In this business, we already knew we were going to
Speaker 5: have the women game, but in space, as you know,
Speaker 5: you a HBC, you grab, we got to make sure
Speaker 5: there was right and so you just mentioned the three
Speaker 5: year partnership with CBS four.
Speaker 3: The foundation of blueprint was already knew, we knew was
Speaker 3: going to be there.
Speaker 5: And so at the three historic years back to back
Speaker 5: sellouts in Houston in twenty twenty three and twenty twenty
Speaker 5: four in Phoenix where you know that no HBC exists,
Speaker 5: the time is now greater quality, greater exposure, greater access
Speaker 5: for our women in this game of basketball.
Speaker 3: So we truly excited that.
Speaker 5: But you can see the height of where the WNBA
Speaker 5: women's basketball is going and so we truly excited to
Speaker 5: bring this historic moment for our women's basketball.
Speaker 1: Is it possible that women's basketball is becoming almost as
Speaker 1: popular as the men's basketball on the collegiate level.
Speaker 3: Oh, definitely, no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 5: When we first announced it in November that we were
Speaker 5: doing the women's HBCU also, it was the most trending
Speaker 5: thing possible, and as you saw, it affected our numbers
Speaker 5: in Phoenix, It's affected every numbers, even for the NCAA
Speaker 5: Tournament women's basketball. And the level that they plan and
Speaker 5: the prestige that is bringing, it's at an all time hot.
Speaker 5: My daughter plays middle school basketball, so you know, I'm
Speaker 5: a big of really pushing the initiative with our women
Speaker 5: in sports, and so a lot of my staff memories,
Speaker 5: I'm surrounded by women in sports. So I think it's
Speaker 5: very important that we give them their justice, we give
Speaker 5: them their exposure, we give them their access that's well deserved.
Speaker 1: Is it possible that you're visualizing what I'm visualizing that
Speaker 1: there's a possibility that women in sports I'm talking Madison Avenue,
Speaker 1: I'm talking marketing dollars has the potential to grow in
Speaker 1: popularity in a way that arrival the men, because whereas
Speaker 1: the men talent speaks for itself, you know, in terms
Speaker 1: of their gender. The flip side to it is that
Speaker 1: women appear to be a bit more trustworthy. Not only
Speaker 1: are their ultra talented, but they don't they seem to
Speaker 1: be a bit more trustworthy and reliable when it comes
Speaker 1: to marketing. Is that something that you've been paying attention to,
Speaker 1: monitoring or taking into consideration at all?
Speaker 5: I think for me when the visual launch in October
Speaker 5: two thousand nineteen, at the seventeen successful years of coaching,
Speaker 5: I'm a former prestigious coach at two age pcus Tennessee
Speaker 5: State University and Fort Valley State Union.
Speaker 3: I played Chaer State Universe.
Speaker 5: So I've kind of been on both sides of the
Speaker 5: isle and really seeing the difference between the have and
Speaker 5: the have nots in this space. To be able to
Speaker 5: bude this national global platform for our women speaks in
Speaker 5: volumes and so when we're announced it in November and
Speaker 5: what you could see now when we announced the top
Speaker 5: twenty four women this past Monday, and so I think
Speaker 5: it speaks in volume to their as you mentioned, their marketability,
Speaker 5: their talent own and off the court and women in
Speaker 5: sports in general, So we're just truly excited about what
Speaker 5: it could bring.
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you this too, because I'm just
Speaker 1: paying attention to all of this other stuff, and you know,
Speaker 1: with this game going on, this HBCU game coincided with
Speaker 1: basketball or your championship weekend, what other events do you
Speaker 1: have taken place because this championship weekend going on, I'm
Speaker 1: just wondering how y'all gonna fit in with all of this.
Speaker 3: Well, I think that's a great question.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm a former college basketball coach, so we're
Speaker 5: integrated with everything that goes around the basketball game really impactful.
Speaker 5: But what we do off the court, Stephen I you
Speaker 5: mentioned we do a college admissions fair where we've invited
Speaker 5: all one hundred plus of our HBCUs to come to
Speaker 5: San Antonio and participate. Our ultimate goal in San Antonio
Speaker 5: is to touch over ten thousand from our previous three.
Speaker 5: HBCU also a game of high school students that we've
Speaker 5: been able to expose to our HBCUs across the country.
Speaker 5: Look at the stats. If anyone knows the status, you
Speaker 5: know the stats. Four hundred and fifty NBA players, thirty
Speaker 5: NBA teams, one hundred and forty four WNBA players twelve
Speaker 5: WNBA teams. We have zero representation of HBCUs on this ross.
Speaker 5: The last player that we know that you're very familiar
Speaker 5: Philadelphia seventy six Robert Covington play for me at Tennessee
Speaker 5: State University. So just think about that when we hear
Speaker 5: those stats. That's the hard reality because we know we're
Speaker 5: just as talented, but being able to provide a global
Speaker 5: national platform for our HBCUs matter. And so we do
Speaker 5: a pro day combine on that Friday prior to the
Speaker 5: All Star Games on Saturday. We took it one step further.
Speaker 5: We hire BAM Testing company that comes in and do
Speaker 5: all our measurements, so when our scouts come in attendance,
Speaker 5: we're able to handle our measurement because we know a
Speaker 5: lot of times they're not going to our HBCU campuses
Speaker 5: and recruiting and seeing our guys, but a platform like
Speaker 5: this makes it very very important for them, and we
Speaker 5: know they're being town visit those final four participating teams.
Speaker 5: You know that's important. Our community outreach engagement is important.
Speaker 5: We hope we do a legacy court dedication there in
Speaker 5: each one of those hosting cities, and as you know,
Speaker 5: with the landscape everything going on, we're big in a
Speaker 5: social justice and civil rights. It's a part of what
Speaker 5: we do being crumping. A lot of our leaders, they
Speaker 5: come to our All Star Games every year in a
Speaker 5: major part of this because this is important for our culture.
Speaker 3: This is important for our community. As you know, the
Speaker 3: nca has been around forty plus.
Speaker 5: Years, There's never been an HBCU All Star Game of
Speaker 5: this magnitude for both men and women during a space
Speaker 5: of final full week.
Speaker 1: Without question. And I think it's a very big thing.
Speaker 1: And I love the fact that you brought a Robin
Speaker 1: coming because I just saw him when I took first
Speaker 1: take my day's job at ESPN, when I took the
Speaker 1: show to Tennessee State a few months ago, he was
Speaker 1: right there in the tennis. They got a lot of
Speaker 1: love for that brother. And then I'm looking at it
Speaker 1: right now, HBCU's making his history and other sports, Howard
Speaker 1: only HBCU with an NCAA Division one swimming and diving program,
Speaker 1: Fisk first to have a gymnastics program, Xavier University first
Speaker 1: and only men's and women's rowing program in Tennessee State
Speaker 1: only HBCU with an ice hockey team, so we know
Speaker 1: the talent is there when we're talking about HBCUs. I
Speaker 1: tell people that all the time. Don't think I'm the brightest,
Speaker 1: trust me. There's a whole lot of talent that emanates
Speaker 1: from HBCU. Somehow, some way, we've got to get We've
Speaker 1: got to gone to the level of notoriety that they
Speaker 1: so richly deserve. Speak to the power of HBCUs. Despite
Speaker 1: having you were resources and what can be done to
Speaker 1: elevate the profile of HBCUs even more so than what
Speaker 1: you're doing right now.
Speaker 3: Yes, and that's important.
Speaker 5: Like I said, have an opportunity owning off the basketball court,
Speaker 5: being able to show.
Speaker 3: The world that HBCUs matter.
Speaker 5: We believe in ieron oil and as anyone can attest
Speaker 5: to this, we believe in exposure, access, recognition, opportunity, resources
Speaker 5: and results for our prid of prestiges HBCUs hard working talent,
Speaker 5: ambitious and very deserving students and student athletes nationally and
Speaker 5: global around the world.
Speaker 3: The time is now.
Speaker 5: We think it's important that in less than thirteen days
Speaker 5: we get rid a host of a historic doublehead of
Speaker 5: matchup featuring the nation's top men and women HBCU All
Speaker 5: Stars during Final Four weekend, college basketball Biggest weekend. We
Speaker 5: need to make sure that we send a loud and
Speaker 5: clear message. The important is what this means to us
Speaker 5: in our HBCU community. If you can't be in attendance,
Speaker 5: watch it on television live on stream. Support our HBCU
Speaker 5: All Star Scholarship Fund. We have an hbc YOU All
Speaker 5: Star Staff Scholarship Fund. Stephen there as you mentioned, you
Speaker 5: know about some of our HBCU If there's a student
Speaker 5: out there in need of financial assistance, we're here to support.
Speaker 5: You know, if there's a curate HBCU student in there
Speaker 5: struggling on their HBCU campus, we're here to support through
Speaker 5: our HBCU All Stars initiative. We want to make sure
Speaker 5: folks understand you're one of the brightest that come through.
Speaker 5: One of the best examples wins the Salem State Clarence
Speaker 5: Big House Game and the platform that you're having in
Speaker 5: bringing us here to be able to elevate HBCUs. And
Speaker 5: so there's not a stigma with HBCUs.
Speaker 3: We're just as talent as anyone else.
Speaker 5: We're just looking for the same opportunity, the same acts
Speaker 5: as the same resources opportunities, and I think that's what's
Speaker 5: important for us in this culture.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: The found themselves marketing and media company HBCU All Star LLC.
Speaker 1: The one and only Travis L. Williams right here on
Speaker 1: the Steven Emistory. The HBCU All Star Game airs live Sunday,
Speaker 1: April sixth on the CW Network. To attend the game,
Speaker 1: visit HBCU All Star Game dot Com for ticket information. Travis,
Speaker 1: appreciate you, my brother, Always here for you and man,
Speaker 1: thank you for coming on the show. I'll talk to
Speaker 1: you soon.
Speaker 3: I appreciate you. You keep it great work that you're doing,
Speaker 3: my brother.
Speaker 1: Thanks again, the one and only Travis L. Williams. Continue
Speaker 1: to do the great work that you've been doing, my man.
Speaker 1: We definitely definitely appreciate you and need to hear more
Speaker 1: from you in the future, make no mistake about that.
Speaker 1: That is it for this edition of The Stephen A.
Speaker 1: Smith Show. Final four Weekend is in the house. I'm
Speaker 1: picking Duke in North Carolina. I'm sorry, Duke in Florida.
Speaker 1: Duke North Carolina's that rivalry thing that I can never
Speaker 1: let go off. But it's Duke Florida. I expect to
Speaker 1: win their semifinals matchups over the weekend and meet on
Speaker 1: Monday for the national championship. That's who I'm rolling with.
Speaker 1: You come South Carolina. I'm predicting nail meet for the
Speaker 1: national title as well. And women's college basketball. I pick
Speaker 1: South Carolina to cut down the nets, but I'm sort
Speaker 1: of shaky on that because Page Beckers. There's no joke.
Speaker 1: I was for Florida, but Cooper flag, but Walters Clayton Junior,
Speaker 1: but Cooper Flag. I'll let you know how I feel
Speaker 1: about that men's national championship game on Monday. Let's make
Speaker 1: sure Duke and Florida get there first. Until next time, everybody,
Speaker 1: Peace of love and enjoy your weekend. God bless