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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the solid verbal, Boys and girls. My

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Speaker 2: there in New York City, My man Dan Rubinstein, Sir,

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Speaker 2: how are you.

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Speaker 1: Ty I am wonderful, i am excited. I am a

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Speaker 1: That's right me, Dan, where I've become so numb without

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Speaker 2: Yes, now, I look, it's a smart hire. He wanted

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Speaker 1: I like it. Yeah, another move from a relatively big game,

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Speaker 2: absolutely one hundred percent staying in the great State of Mississippi.

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Speaker 2: But Jonathan Smith and a lot of people, the Washington

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Speaker 1: It's not looking good for Jimbo sticking around Tallahassee. It

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Speaker 1: were blaming Twitter mobs, and they were blaming you know,

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Speaker 1: Greg Ciano, and they were blaming blaming John Curry for

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Speaker 1: being incompetent, and they were blaming donors for controlling too

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Speaker 1: much or boosters, whatever and notable you know, Albert Hainsworth

436
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Speaker 1: came out saying this, he needs a new team. We

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Speaker 1: had congressional representatives, you had fake Sarah Huckabee Sanders Facebook

438
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Speaker 1: accounts like it was a complete and total circus all

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Speaker 1: the way around. And my biggest thing in watching this

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Speaker 1: was maybe more than one thing can be true at

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Speaker 1: the same time, totally Dan, that's maybe that's total yes.

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Speaker 1: And so I've generally felt that it was disingenuous to say, well,

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Speaker 1: these angry Twitter Tennessee fans like vall Dude sixty nine,

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Speaker 1: the fact that he was yelling and calling John Curry's

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Speaker 1: cell phone is why. No, I don't believe that. I

446
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Speaker 1: believe that there was unhappiness among money people, notable people

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Speaker 1: connected to the program about potentially hiring Greg Ciano. And

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it were if it was a

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Speaker 1: big booster who decided this is who our guy should be.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that to be the case. But the

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Speaker 1: fact that people were using a very very flimsy connection

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Speaker 1: to the Jerry Sandusky thing to be morally outraged when

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Speaker 1: it seemed tye this is in my personal opinion that

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Speaker 1: that was sort of a scapegoat because Greg Ciano is

455
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Speaker 1: not a particularly liked person, just publicly in the football world,

456
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Speaker 1: with his time at the Bucks, with his time at Rutgers.

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Speaker 1: He didn't And I say this as somebody who roots

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Speaker 1: for a team who was rumored to be talking to

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Speaker 1: or interviewed last year for the open job. If that

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Speaker 1: were a possibility, I would have been pretty let down

461
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Speaker 1: as an Oregon fan. And I get that, but this

462
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Speaker 1: was a monstrous circuits.

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Speaker 2: Can I ask, Can I ask a question? Please? Greg

464
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Speaker 2: Schiano's got some baggage, all right, Sure, he's got some baggage,

465
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Speaker 2: not just things pertaining to Penn State, things pertaining to

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Speaker 2: his time in the NFL as well.

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Speaker 1: Mm hm. And he's not particularly well liked it.

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Speaker 2: He's not well. No, No, if Chip Kelly, if John

469
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Speaker 2: Gruden had the same baggage as Greg Chiano and Tennessee

470
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Speaker 2: hired him, do you think there'd be public outcry? You're saying,

471
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Speaker 2: so if if chip Kelly completely alienated people on his

472
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Speaker 2: way out of Oregon as he's gotten, He's got all

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Speaker 2: his accolades, but in addition to he also has the

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Speaker 2: Chiano baggage, do you think there'd be twitter outcry? Do

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Speaker 2: you think there would be this kind of blowback.

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Speaker 1: Do you think when you say Schiano baggage, do you

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Speaker 1: mean like the Penn State, like alleged allegations that weren't

478
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Speaker 1: ever you know, there was never charged with anything. Sure, Sure, okay,

479
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Speaker 1: I think it would be much less. So I agree,

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Speaker 1: and that I think is the larger point here. The

481
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Speaker 1: bottom line, Tennessee fans didn't like the higher and some

482
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Speaker 1: justified it to your point through different means. Right, there

483
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Speaker 1: was a quasi connection to a scandal of Penn State.

484
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Speaker 1: There were other scandals, other oddities throughout his coaching journey

485
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Speaker 1: that people didn't like. Ultimately, the name didn't have the

486
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Speaker 1: sex appeal. It didn't and it reminded me a lot

487
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Speaker 1: of the Georgia Leary debacle Notre Dame. Now we're talking

488
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Speaker 1: about deeper subjects here with Hiano, but in that case,

489
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Speaker 1: Notre Dame brass hired a guy that Notre Dame.

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Speaker 2: Fans didn't want. There's some boosters didn't want, and they

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Speaker 2: found a way through a resume glitch to get him out.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that the situation in Knoxville, now that

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Speaker 1: they have gone from just I mean, don't the Gruden

494
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Speaker 1: thing was never a serious thing that was going to happen.

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Speaker 1: But do you think going from a name like that

496
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Speaker 1: being associated to Sano to Gundy cut cliffs, do you

497
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Speaker 1: think there is real world toxicity to what's happening right

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Speaker 1: now within the Tennessee football program and in Knoxville. Toxicas

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Speaker 1: of the power dynamic within this program. Probably at a minimum.

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Speaker 2: I think it's toxic to some young coaches, like a

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Speaker 2: Matt Campbell, who might have been interested.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: You know, we saw Jeff Brohm pull himself out of

504
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Speaker 2: the running. Mike Gundy had played foot seas with Tennessee previously,

505
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Speaker 2: did again he decided not to take the job. There's

506
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Speaker 2: very clearly a reason. Chip Kelly another one. There's very

507
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Speaker 2: clearly reasons why some of these guys don't want the gig. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think that the Chip Kelly thing, I mean, we

509
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Speaker 1: just haven't seen reports. It just seemed like he was like, no,

510
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Speaker 1: I'm not interested. Yeah, I mean, it's a fishbowl job.

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Speaker 2: We knew it was a fish ball job, right, and

512
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Speaker 2: now to see this play out, a lot of the

513
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Speaker 2: blame does fall on Curry the ad and I thought

514
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Speaker 2: Andy Staples hit it out of the park. He wrote,

515
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Speaker 2: something for SI dot Com, which everyone should check out.

516
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Speaker 2: And his point is, Look, the blame is on the administration.

517
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Speaker 2: It's a giant mess now, and the reason we're here

518
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Speaker 2: is because they did not understand their base. Now, whether

519
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Speaker 2: or not the base is acting irrationally is a separate

520
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Speaker 2: point altogether. But he did not understand the base. He

521
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Speaker 2: did not understand that this would go over the way

522
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Speaker 2: it did. And because of that, now, because he didn't

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Speaker 2: flow to trial balloon, let's say, to just take the

524
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Speaker 2: temperature of the maneuver. Now, all of a sudden, this

525
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Speaker 2: is a far more toxic job than it was two

526
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Speaker 2: weeks ago. And that's where you're at now. Now, Dave Dorian,

527
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Speaker 2: are you kidding me? Dave Doran did a great job

528
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Speaker 2: at Northern Illinois. He's done a really okay job at

529
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Speaker 2: NC State. You're going to go from John Gruden rumors

530
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Speaker 2: to Dave Dorin.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean you would, You're going from Mike Gundy

532
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Speaker 1: to Dave Doran. But still, realistically, yeah, Dave Dorian, are

533
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Speaker 1: you kidding me?

534
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Speaker 2: That's what you're gonna get now. You fired Butch Jones

535
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Speaker 2: for Dave Dorin.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that I don't think Nick Saban

537
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Speaker 1: gets credit for because everybody just sort of looks at

538
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Speaker 1: him as like this machine who keeps winning and recruiting

539
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Speaker 1: five stars. Is how good of a job he's done

540
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Speaker 1: getting the Alabama infrastructure and that includes you know, donors, boosters, administrators, whatever, lockstep.

541
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Speaker 1: He has them under control. He doesn't put up with

542
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Speaker 1: a lot of the garbage. And you can do that

543
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Speaker 1: when you win, obviously, but he has the force of personality,

544
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Speaker 1: given his background LSU and the Dolphins, whatever, the fact

545
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Speaker 1: that he is the name that he is, or just

546
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Speaker 1: his specific organized personality and process and success whatever, that

547
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Speaker 1: he can say Nope, this is how it's going. Nope,

548
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Speaker 1: not doing that. This is what I'm doing. Nope, this

549
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Speaker 1: is my schedule. I don't have time for that. And

550
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Speaker 1: at a place like Tennessee, where you have that, I

551
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: mean clearly with the John Curry situation and the boosters whatever,

552
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: there is that power vacuum and they desperately need a

553
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Speaker 1: coach like that to say, Nope, this is how it's

554
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Speaker 1: running on Mondays. This is how it's running on Tuesdays.

555
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: I don't have time for X, Y and Z. I

556
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Speaker 1: have time for A, but not B. That's what Tennessee

557
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: needs and they are going to If they're going to

558
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Speaker 1: get it, they're going to pay.

559
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Speaker 2: A premium tie.

560
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they're And that's what some people said about

561
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Speaker 1: Jeff Bram, that he has that type of personality.

562
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Speaker 2: Now he's not interested. Now, why would it be? I

563
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Speaker 2: wouldn't be.

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Speaker 1: That's tough.

565
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Speaker 2: Dave frickin' Dorin? How about that? How about that? Butch

566
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Speaker 2: Jones to Dave Dave dorn Great, we'll see what happens.

567
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Speaker 2: I feel bad for Tennessee fans that weren't part of

568
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Speaker 2: the angry mob. I even feel bad for Tennessee fans

569
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Speaker 2: who just weren't excited with the greg Ciano hire, because honestly,

570
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Speaker 2: if I were a Tennessee fan, I wouldn't be excited

571
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Speaker 2: about that either. Sure, you know nobody would. It's not

572
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Speaker 2: an excitable name.

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Speaker 1: As somebody who's had to recently root for a Brian

574
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Speaker 1: Van Gorder defense.

575
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're no, I hear you. I get it. I

576
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Speaker 2: get why people weren't excited about Greg Ciano. I just

577
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Speaker 2: feel like the administration botched it and now it's a

578
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Speaker 2: it's a worse job than it was, it's a less

579
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Speaker 2: attractive job than it was.

580
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Speaker 1: Two weeks ago. It's tough.

581
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Speaker 2: We'll see. I don't know, we'll see. Uh. That's all

582
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Speaker 2: we got on the coaching for We got to talk

583
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 2: about games. Are you ready should bet? Nebraska is still open?

584
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:21,959
Speaker 2: Nebraska's still open. Yes, it could be continued week all right,

585
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 2: real quick. Your new rankings came out on Tuesday. Clemson, Auburn, Oklahoma,

586
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 2: Wisconsin in that order one through four, followed in close

587
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: proximity buys roll Tide for the first time in as

588
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Speaker 2: long as I can remember, how Bama fans they got

589
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 2: to defend their turf.

590
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Speaker 1: Den they do.

591
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 2: They got it. They don't don't like it. They don't

592
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Speaker 2: like that they don't have a win over a current

593
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Speaker 2: top fifteen opponent. We tweeted it out. People, Ah well,

594
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Speaker 2: they beat Florida State. They were number three back in

595
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Speaker 2: week one. Oh man, what a different world. That's not

596
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Speaker 2: the way it works, people, No, they're number five. They've

597
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Speaker 2: tasted their own blood. We've talked about that before. We'll

598
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Speaker 2: talk about it again. Zombie Alabama at number five, in

599
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 2: Georgia at number six. It sets up an extremely interesting

600
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Speaker 2: conference championship Weekdan, We've got seven rematches that we're going

601
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Speaker 2: to talk about this week, which is a lot the

602
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Speaker 2: math I think tells us. I looked this up on

603
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Speaker 2: some choice sites on the internet. The math says that

604
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Speaker 2: like a third of those teams will lose their rematch.

605
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: A third. Yeah, that checks out. Now the rankings seem

606
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Speaker 1: what they should be in the top ten or so,

607
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: you know, Penn State is not that far off from

608
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Speaker 1: being in playoff contention in terms of how they finished

609
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: games against Michigan State and Ohio State just brutal, because yeah,

610
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Speaker 1: it was. It's a really good year for Penn State

611
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: to about eleven and one. It's a really good year,

612
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Speaker 1: I know, I know. And so USC at tenant two

613
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: makes sense. I don't think USC has a prayer at

614
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Speaker 1: the playoff, even if they destroyed Stanford like fifty six

615
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Speaker 1: to three and everything's ugly in front, just because they've

616
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Speaker 1: just been out of the conversation fair or not. I

617
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Speaker 1: do think UCF at fourteen is too low, no way

618
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Speaker 1: too low. I think at eleven and oh running the

619
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Speaker 1: table I would be perfectly you know, ahead of TCU,

620
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Speaker 1: Stanford and Washington makes I you know, having them at

621
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Speaker 1: number ten seems fine to me. Having them as a

622
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Speaker 1: top ten team going eleven and O performing the way

623
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Speaker 1: that they have. And I know the Georgia Tech game

624
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: got canceled because of the storm down in Florida, But

625
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Speaker 1: that's that's now, right if that is very good team

626
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Speaker 1: with there, Yeah, I just it's too low.

627
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Speaker 2: So okay, let's get rolling here on Saturday. We'll come

628
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Speaker 2: back to the PAC twelve game a little later on.

629
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Speaker 2: If my research is correct, Dan doctor Pepper came in

630
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Speaker 2: with a huge ad buye. They've got three sponsorships here

631
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Speaker 2: for the Big twelve Championship, for the SEC Championship, and

632
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: I believe the ACC Championship.

633
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Speaker 1: Do you like my spots and their commercial? Do you

634
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: like you enjoy those?

635
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 2: That was a broer version of you, a bro year

636
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 2: or whatever the adjective is.

637
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: He has a stronger chin. Yeah, but I was re.

638
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: I get like three or four tweets like every time

639
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: that commercial airs, And I showed my wife because I

640
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 1: see it a little bit, and I showed Jody with

641
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Speaker 1: an eye and she was like, oh my god, that

642
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Speaker 1: is you.

643
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean that guy's got got bigger pipes. Yeah,

644
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 2: somebody said big pipes a combination of me. And have

645
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Speaker 2: you seen the trailer for the new Netflix punisher, there's

646
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Speaker 2: that that is the sort of morphing molds. Well. I

647
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 2: gotta be honest, Dan, when people started tweeting it, I

648
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 2: actually looked it up, yeah, to see if it see

649
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 2: who it was. And I was wondering if they were

650
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 2: holding out of me.

651
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: Now not holding out. I listen, let me be clear.

652
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: We don't have a soft drink sponsor on the show,

653
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: do we not? That I'm aware of. No, Doctor Pepper.

654
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: My initials are part of your name.

655
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 2: Dr.

656
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: I'm right here for you anytime you need me. I'm

657
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 1: here for one of your commercials.

658
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 2: Another fun fact about Doctor Pepper, in addition to the

659
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 2: tuition throws which are gonna go on and you're secretly

660
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 2: my favorite part of the weeklie during media days. During

661
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: all the media events that go on at the National Championship,

662
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 2: at least for the last three or four years now,

663
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 2: they walk Larry Culpepper around like the dude who's in

664
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 2: the commercial. He shows up in full attire.

665
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: Like the knee brace thing.

666
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they they give you the opportunity to interview him.

667
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 2: There are radio shows that interview Larry Culpepper. We've had

668
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 2: the opportunity. I don't know what we'd ask him. I'm

669
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 2: not against Larry Culpepper, but that's a thing. He shows

670
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Speaker 2: up in full Doctor Pepper regalia, Larry Culpepper.

671
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Speaker 1: Being around the National Championship, and I hate that we

672
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: are just so comfortable saying hit this Doctor Pepper character's name.

673
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: It's why I'm rooting for Georgia to make the National Championship.

674
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: To see him in Kirby Smart in the same room.

675
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: That's to me, that's my end goal of everything in

676
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,720
Speaker 1: that line. I'm excited for the live show, I'm excited

677
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: for football. I'm excited to see a bunch of pals

678
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: down there. But if we can make that happen, yeah,

679
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: that's that's key.

680
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 2: Saturday, twelve thirty pm Eastern on Fox, We've got the

681
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 2: Doctor Pepper Big twelve Championship game. They're playing it in

682
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 2: Arlington Stadium. It's the first of its kind. Oklahoma eleven

683
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 2: and one about a touchdown favorite against TCU at ten

684
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 2: and two. We will turn the clock back here for

685
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 2: a moment. There was a regular season version of this

686
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:55,240
Speaker 2: game in Norman. Oklahoma won that game thirty eight to twenty.

687
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 2: It was thirty eight to fourteen and a half. It was

688
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 2: not a close football game. If you watched it, if

689
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 2: you didn't, just to refresh your memory, it was not

690
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 2: a close game. Now, a lot's happened since then. Baker

691
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 2: Mayfield went crotch grab against Kansas and then died and

692
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 2: was reborn. May he rest in peace, you know, a calmer,

693
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 2: more mature individual against West Virginia. That was a watershed moment.

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Speaker 1: The Baker maypsis he has risen.

695
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, we can go with that. But Baker Mayfield

696
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 2: is still having an incredible season. I think it's instructive

697
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 2: to look at that game and look at how Oklahoma

698
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 2: used Rodney Anderson when they played three weeks ago.

699
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: Because he went off. He had a huge all purpose game.

700
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, like one fifty one on the ground, one thirty

701
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 2: nine receiving four touchdowns. He was a one man wrecking crew.

702
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 2: But I think it's important to note that he wasn't

703
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 2: the only man correct, because Baker hit six other receivers

704
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 2: in that game. What I learned in that game, more

705
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,959
Speaker 2: than any other game Oklahoma's played all year, is how

706
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 2: well this Oklahoma offense is not just about Baker Mayfield,

707
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 2: not just about Rodney Anderson. It's about Trey sermon. It's

708
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 2: about Mark Andrews, a big tight end. It's about a

709
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 2: really young wide receiving corps in Marquise Brown and Ceedee Lamb,

710
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 2: and probably the best offensive line in the country. Oklahoma

711
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 2: right now, I think is my favorite to win the

712
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Speaker 2: playoff because of the number of ways that they can

713
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:23,760
Speaker 2: beat you on offense.

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Speaker 1: That's really interesting. No, and I don't think you're wrong.

715
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 1: It's a good matchup for Oklahoma because TCU defensively has

716
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: been so good when they haven't needed to bring a

717
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: lot of pressure because that front four is so good.

718
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,280
Speaker 1: We saw Matt Bosen have that huge game last week.

719
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Speaker 1: I really do like the matchup for Oklahoma. They played

720
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Speaker 1: so well on defense the first time they played. You

721
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: look at the sort of drives that TCU put together.

722
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 1: It was a couple three and out, it's four play drive,

723
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: five play drive. That really did a nice job TCU's

724
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: running game. Even though I like sewoh Alonelua, they're not

725
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: the same when they don't have the same depth of

726
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: talent Without Darius Anderson, I worry a little bit about

727
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: Ken Hill. Even though he had a good game against Oklahoma,

728
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: it wasn't the most accurate performance So I really I

729
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: am looking forward to seeing what Oklahoma's offensive line does

730
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: against TCUs front because, and we've talked about this before, Oklahoma,

731
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Speaker 1: after losing two extraordinarily good running backs, the best receiver

732
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: arguably in college football last year in Dedee Westbrook, they're

733
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: somehow more productive, They're scoring more, They're great, And that's

734
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield in the offensive line to me, one hundred percent. Yeah,

735
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Speaker 1: the only team all year to hold Oklahoma under thirty

736
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: points was Texas. Yeah, the clear best defense in the conference.

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Speaker 2: Yes, TCU is going to need to do that if

738
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Speaker 2: they want to have any chance. As a whole, their

739
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 2: defense has been pretty good. Yeah, but if you look

740
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Speaker 2: against the better offenses in the conference, like Oklahoma State,

741
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 2: West Virginia, obviously Oklahoma. We've been talking about Oklahoma the

742
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 2: first time around. Against the better offenses, they've been really

743
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 2: in a fifth. I am not convinced they can do

744
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 2: it here because they give up a lot of big

745
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Speaker 2: passing plays.

746
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna go Oklahoma here, I'm gonna go owe you.

747
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: They have the clear best player and arguably, I mean

748
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Speaker 1: I really like all sorts of all all the parts

749
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 1: of TCU's defense, But I think the Oklahoma offensive line

750
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: is so strong, So I'm going to go with the

751
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: best quarterback on a neutral field. You know he's played

752
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Speaker 1: well in big games. I'm gonna go Oklahoma here thirty

753
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: let's go thirty five to twenty four Sooners. I've got

754
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 1: thirty three sixteen Sooners. Wow, that's a that would be

755
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: an incredible defensive performance.

756
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Speaker 2: Thirty three to sixteen. I'll go all right. We were

757
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 2: another Doctor Pepper game. It's the SEC Championship in Mercedes

758
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Speaker 2: Benz Stadium.

759
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: Before we get there, Ty, because you mentioned the Dr

760
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: Pepper Big twelve and the Dr Pepper SEC, I don't

761
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Speaker 1: know if you were saving this quick thoughts on the

762
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Speaker 1: can toss. You know I have problems with the chess pass.

763
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 1: So that's your It's basically like, are you a Dan

764
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: or you a Dave?

765
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Speaker 2: Are you you know? No?

766
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: I forget the names in Twilight, but you come down

767
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: in two camps. Are you about performance or are you

768
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 1: about looks, style or substance.

769
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Speaker 2: I'm about changing the rules so you can either only

770
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 2: throw it overhand or only throw it underhand. But the

771
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 2: chess pass thing, to me, I've talked about this for

772
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 2: years on the show. The chess pass has done for

773
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 2: tuition throw is what the clap skate did for speed skating.

774
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Speaker 1: That is very specific. I'm not sure I follow the

775
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: clap skate. What it clap skate.

776
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 2: It was just that the low long, No, it's the

777
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 2: skate in speed skating that it unhinges in the back,

778
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 2: so you have the skate riding on the surface of

779
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 2: the ice for a longer period of time.

780
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: It allows them to go quicker, right right, right, right right.

781
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 2: They've had to change the rules of the sport in

782
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 2: order to accommodate it. All the world records fell by

783
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 2: the wayside because people are going so much faster. So

784
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 2: I think the only solution to this issue is to

785
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 2: either change the rules that it has to be a

786
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 2: chess pass or change the rules that it has to

787
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 2: be overhand or underhand. But you can't have a mix

788
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 2: of styles because the chess pass. If you're any good

789
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:07,919
Speaker 2: at the chess pass, you should win one hundred percent

790
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 2: of the time. See.

791
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: I like the idea of it being a free form,

792
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: wide open competition because then we see the people who

793
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: are too proud, who think it is a look cool

794
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: contest when it is a money contest. Tie this is true.

795
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: Do what you have true to win. We talk about

796
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 1: herm Edward's going ASU. What do you play for TI?

797
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: You play to win the game. You play to win

798
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: the game. Yeah, and how much money do you think

799
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: you win by throwing it with better form? I don't

800
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: think you win much if anything.

801
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 2: No, this is true, This is very true. I don't know.

802
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:42,479
Speaker 2: Weigh in. Let us know what you think.

803
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: You can't pay your tuition tie with good form? I

804
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: mean you could, but you could try.

805
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 2: You could.

806
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: I believe Ohio State does take good form. Okay, let

807
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 1: us know what you think.

808
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 2: The Doctor Pepper SEC Championship Mercedes Benz Stadium, the home

809
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 2: of the national Championship.

810
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: We will be there, as Dan said.

811
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Saturday at four pm on CBS. We've got Auburn

812
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 2: at ten and two, a three point a field goal favorite,

813
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 2: against the Georgia Bulldogs at eleven and one. They call

814
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 2: this the Deep South's oldest rivalry. It is the Deep

815
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 2: souths I can't even say that newest rematch yeah, rerun rematch.

816
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

817
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 2: This week the first time around, Auburn won forty to seventeen.

818
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 2: It was a huge deal for the Tigers. I know

819
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 2: we're all going ho on Auburn right now, rightfully so,

820
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 2: But that Iron Bowl a week ago super physical, fair

821
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 2: to say, absolutely, there's one hundred percent going to be

822
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 2: a bodyblow theory going on here. I don't see how

823
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 2: it can't for whom for Auburn. Auburn is going to

824
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 2: be beat up after that game.

825
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: How did how noted aim look after Navy not not

826
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,439
Speaker 1: not great and Georgia played what kind offense last week?

827
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: I mean really well?

828
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 2: I should have Yeah, No, they didn't have much resistance.

829
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: Let's say, Okay, I think I think there's a little

830
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: bit of that for both teams. I'd say much more

831
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: so for Auburn having played a tougher opponent in Alabama.

832
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 1: Excuse me, there is so you know, obviously, the first

833
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: thought when you talk about what could hold Auburn back

834
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: now that they are I mean they are a defensive

835
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 1: team that happens to play really good offense. At this point,

836
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: because that defense is so strong, there is that letdown factor.

837
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 1: They just won the most important if Auburn wins the

838
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 1: national championship. If Auburn beats say Clemson in a rematch

839
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: in the National championship game, there is an argument to

840
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 1: be made that Auburn beating Alabama somehow bigger, a bigger deal. Yes,

841
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: I don't think that's fully true, but there's a discussion.

842
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: So Auburn with a letdown factor that's on the table

843
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: coming into a game against a team that they've already

844
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,439
Speaker 1: beaten comfortably. They did a good job exposing the sort

845
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: of misdirection elements of their offense against the Georgia defense.

846
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: Georgia with a true freshman quarterback, I think that's sort

847
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 1: of misnomer because one, Jake fromm has been excellent and

848
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: two it's now what the thirteenth game of the season

849
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: is probably eleventh or twelfth, So he is an experienced

850
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: quarterback with a very good offensive line with two or

851
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 1: three really good running backs, and a defense that puts

852
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: them in a good position to win. I'm much I

853
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 1: think I'm more worried about what Auburn's offense did to

854
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: the Georgia defense. In Auburn, but ty, there's always a butt.

855
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: That's how I live my life, always butts. Georgia is

856
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: playing in Atlanta, which I believe is sort of equidistant

857
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: between Athens and Auburn, but it should be a better

858
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 1: true for Georgia, I believe. So yeah. I looked it up.

859
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: It's like an hour forty to Auburn and it's like

860
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: an hour twenty five to Athens. Wow. So I don't

861
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: think the I know, I'm from California and I assume

862
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: everything's five hours away from each other. I like the

863
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 1: fact that Georgia will have much many more bulldogs in attendance.

864
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,240
Speaker 2: Live bulldogs we're talking about here.

865
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: Many more dogs in the crowd. I think because of

866
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: the offensive wrinkles, because of the combination of Chip Lindsay

867
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: and Gus Melzan, because of the improvement along Auburn's offensive line.

868
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 1: They've already proven they can handle to a pretty good

869
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: extent Georgia's front. I think I'm going to stay with

870
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: Auburn to get over that letdown factor and win this

871
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: game twenty seven to twenty because of the experience they

872
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 1: now have against Georgia.

873
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 2: I also like Auburn. I think it's a closer football game.

874
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 2: I went deep into this game the first time around.

875
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 2: I went every watched it. Like Evan Essence said, to

876
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 2: your core, that's right. I went back. I looked at

877
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 2: all the numbers. The numbers are super interesting for Auburn,

878
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 2: especially Jared Stidham. If you look at his completion percentage,

879
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 2: you can blindly figure out which games Auburn won and lost,

880
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 2: and that you know, is that unique around college football?

881
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 2: Probably not, But he's been completing like seventy percent of

882
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 2: his passes down the stretch and that's a big part

883
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 2: of the reason why Auburn's gone on this run. The

884
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,240
Speaker 2: first time around. We talked a lot about Georgia stopping

885
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 2: the run. I'd be curious to see what happens if

886
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 2: they just come out with a mindset of trying to

887
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 2: stop the pass, force them to run it to win it.

888
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 2: That could be an interesting way to try and play this.

889
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 2: From a defensive standpoint.

890
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: It's kind of king with the carry on Johnson questionable status. Sure,

891
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: exactly Georgia's game. As you know, they want to try

892
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:40,959
Speaker 1: and beat you up. They want to run the crap

893
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: out of the ball. They want Jake fromm to throw

894
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: at fifteen sixteen times a game. The first time around,

895
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: Auburn held Nick Chubb and Sony Michelle to two and

896
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 1: a half yards of carry. If you're Georgia, I think

897
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: that presents a bit of a catch twenty two here

898
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: the running game got you here, but if you stray

899
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: too far from it, that takes Jake from out of

900
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: his comforts. When he's the primary component of the offense,

901
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: things kind of go a bit off the swivel. I

902
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: don't know what the happy medium is. I don't know

903
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: how you tweak the offense enough that it's different and

904
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: can confuse Auburn but still doesn't take you out of

905
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: your comfort zone. I don't know if that happy medium exists.

906
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: And that's a big part of the reason why I'm

907
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: still going to go with Auburn here. But I am

908
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 1: worried about the Tigers being beat up. I think the

909
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: physicality of that Iron Bowl is going to have a

910
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: lasting impact here. So it's closer, it's lower scoring. I'm

911
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: saying twenty three to twenty one Auburn, Okay, I'd see.

912
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,280
Speaker 1: I think it's more the emotion than the physicality, because

913
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: Auburn is deep. Auburn has played a lot of players

914
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: this year, just you know, playing in such a big

915
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: game a week after and yeah, Auburn did comfortably beat Georgia.

916
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: We're not talking about a ten to twelve point man.

917
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 1: I think they beat him by twenty some odd points

918
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three points, So yeah, I think I think

919
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: I'm still going to go with Auburn here twenty seven

920
00:48:59,160 --> 00:48:59,959
Speaker 1: to twenty.

921
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 2: Another Doctor Pepper game. This one isn't a rematch. It's

922
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 2: the ACC Championship game. They played at Bank of America

923
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 2: Stadium in Charlotte. It's Saturday night at eight pm on ABC.

924
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 2: The number one Clempson Tigers at eleven and one. They

925
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 2: were when I wrote this out, about a nine and

926
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 2: a half point favorite over Miami. I use past tense

927
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 2: were because some news broke this week that I'm on

928
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 2: Richards the star receiver, star snake bitten receiver, I should

929
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 2: say for Miami, he had to be carted off the

930
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,720
Speaker 2: practice field, and does it look good for him to play?

931
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully it's something It's just a tweak that he

932
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,720
Speaker 1: can get over, or was a really bad cramp. Hopefully.

933
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: I don't you know at the time of this recording.

934
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: Obviously there's no diagnosis that's public, but yeah, we're hoping

935
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: Miami is at, you know, as much full strength as

936
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 1: they can be. So yeah, Miami coming off of a

937
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: pit loss, which listen, Ty, everybody loses to pit, everybody

938
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: loses to pill let me. Let me, let me ask

939
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: you a question here. Clemson's only here because they didn't

940
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 1: have to play exactly.

941
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 2: Let me, I want to ask you a question. Okay,

942
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 2: we know about Mia. Miami's a team that is big

943
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 2: game team, big game team, big game city. They've played

944
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 2: really well when the lights are the brightest at home,

945
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 2: at home. What is your biggest question headed into this game?

946
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,240
Speaker 1: What Malik Rogier looks like under pressure from an excellent

947
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: Clemson defensive line when he has not given a running lane,

948
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: and he has made at times great throws, and even

949
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: when routes are not there, he has been very good

950
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 1: at taking off and turning really good coverage or a

951
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: possible coverage sack into Did he just get fourteen yards?

952
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: Is that what just happened? Okay, that's my question.

953
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 2: Whether or not Miami can establish anything on the ground

954
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 2: is a big deal. I think that's the key to

955
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 2: this one. And to your point, it's not just Travis Homer.

956
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 2: Miami's two biggest wins were against Virginia Tech and Notre Dame,

957
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 2: and in both those games, Malik Rogier was really active

958
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 2: on the ground. And you're right, not design runs, but

959
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 2: a scramble here a first down there, his stuff adds up.

960
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 2: It killed Notre Dame. I watched every minute of that game.

961
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,879
Speaker 2: It killed him. If I'm Clemson, if I can keep

962
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 2: Rogier in the pocket, if I can take away Travis Homer,

963
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,760
Speaker 2: which we know they're good enough to do, that's the ballgame.

964
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 2: Let Malik Rosier throw at forty times a game. Let

965
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 2: him try to beat you with his arm. If I'm

966
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 2: Brent Venables, I am perfectly content with that scenario.

967
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: That's a large if this is a good Miami team.

968
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 2: It is what I'm saying. If hypothetically you can bring

969
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 2: this game to that point, that definitely favors you.

970
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: If you're Clemson, yeah, I think that is the clear

971
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,399
Speaker 1: concern if you are a Miami fan, is what Malik

972
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: Rosier looks like. And how accurate will he be on

973
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 1: third and six when he just needs to hit a slant,

974
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 1: he just needs to hit a hitch, whatever the case

975
00:51:55,360 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: may be. That's the big question. Also, Miami's not particularly

976
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: get away from their home stadium. I was about to

977
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: say Coral Gables. It's very much not in Coral Gables.

978
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: You look at what they did against a down Florida

979
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 1: State team. North Carolina, they struggled with they you know,

980
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: to say the least struggled with pit on the road

981
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: in the Mayhem on the Mangahila.

982
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get that right, manonga heel you were menanga heel.

983
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: Excuse me. So now we have a second straight not

984
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: true road but away from home game for Miami. They've

985
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: shown some cracks and now the Amon Richards thing comes

986
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: into play to give them one fewer receiving targets. The

987
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: good news for Miami is this Clemson has a first

988
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: year starting quarterback who has had to deal with injury issues.

989
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: This is not a particularly explosive, big play Clemson team.

990
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: They're pretty efficient. Kelly Bryant, I think, is still the

991
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 1: most productive rusher for Clemson, even though Travis Etn has

992
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: shown flashes of complete brilliance at running back as a freshman.

993
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: If you're going to give the Clemson offense problems, you

994
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 1: need to win basically every first down and get Kelly

995
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: Bryant to third and six, third and eight, third and eleven,

996
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: whatever the case may be. I like that phrase today,

997
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 1: I'm not sure why. And that's when you have a

998
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: chance to force mistakes. Flushing from the pocket, you know,

999
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: throw across his body. That's when you get the turnover chain.

1000
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: Is Miami fast and talented and unpredictable and well coached

1001
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: enough to do that? Absolutely, I'm not at all concerned

1002
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: about the Miami defense performing in a big game. I'm

1003
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: worried about the Miami offense. Yeah, I'm worried about basically

1004
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: everything Clemson does on defense and rushing the passer. I

1005
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: am in a way for Miami. That is, I have

1006
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,879
Speaker 1: thirty four to twenty Clemson. Here, I got twenty eight

1007
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: seventeen Clemson. Okay, spread is what nine and nine and

1008
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 1: a half? Well, I don't know.

1009
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 2: It was nine and a half when I wrote it up,

1010
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 2: but now with them on Richards, it could go up.

1011
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 2: I haven't looked okay fair enough?

1012
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: So we agree?

1013
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 2: We agree A greet a.

1014
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: Lot, Doctor Pepper. That was doctor Pepper.

1015
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 2: That was another doctor Pepper. I think we're out of

1016
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 2: doctor Pepperville right now.

1017
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: And I can I add something sure, real quiet, if

1018
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 1: you are going to this game in Charlotte, go to

1019
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: a Ramen place. I don't know what the weather is like.

1020
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter even if it's super hot. It's called

1021
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: futo f uto bhuta b uta. I believe it's two words.

1022
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: It has unbelievable smoked pork, but like it's like a

1023
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 1: barbecue style smoked pork belly. In the ramen, there's briskets, sliders,

1024
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: and fried Brussels sprouts. Go out of your way for

1025
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: Futo Buddha. They are not paying me to tell you

1026
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: that I had an extraordinarily extraordinary meal there. Ramen. Huh okay, ramen?

1027
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 2: Do it? Do it?

1028
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 1: Do it? Trust me?

1029
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:40,359
Speaker 2: Also Saturday at eight pm on Fox, it's the Big

1030
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 2: Ten Championship presented by Discover. They play this one in

1031
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 2: the Lucas Oil Stadium. It was the last time you

1032
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,919
Speaker 2: saw somebody with a Discover card that I've never seen

1033
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 2: anyone with a Discover card.

1034
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: Dan. Could you imagine going to a restaurant with like

1035
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 1: a group of people and somebody has said, you know what,

1036
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: it's on me and then the server comes over and

1037
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: they just, you know, get the check real quick and

1038
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: do you take Discover.

1039
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 2: What? Don't ever what?

1040
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 1: That would be incredible. I've never met anybody. Shout out

1041
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: to everybody that's listening that works at Discover.

1042
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 2: I probably know more people that watch Bones than have

1043
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 2: a Discover card.

1044
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: I don't know anybody that watches bones.

1045
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 2: So this game is between Ohio State at ten and

1046
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 2: two and Wisconsin at twelve, and oh Ohio State's a

1047
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 2: five and a half point favorite. I'd like to talk

1048
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 2: to you about a little problem I have.

1049
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:36,800
Speaker 1: Oh god, Ty, this is going to be very personal.

1050
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 2: It could be. I hope we can be honest with

1051
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:42,879
Speaker 2: each other. I like Wisconsin football. I don't. I don't

1052
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:50,720
Speaker 2: find it physically attractive. Wisconsin is in my friend zone. Dan, Okay,

1053
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 2: So a game like this rolls round and my choices

1054
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 2: are Wisconsin or any team, any team that has any

1055
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 2: shred of appeal.

1056
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 1: Danny hit me.

1057
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 2: I'm just a girl in the world, like you, I

1058
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 2: want to feel dangerous. I usually go the other way here.

1059
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 2: I usually just pick the other team. Right, So I'm biased.

1060
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is I'm biased because I'm bored. I'm

1061
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 2: bored with high Wisconsin. I like them, They're just not

1062
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 2: giving me the vapors. How do I overcome that?

1063
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 1: You watch them play defense and shut down everybody that

1064
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 1: they've played. You watch them turn it on in the

1065
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 1: second half like they did against Michigan. You look at

1066
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 1: the fact that in the second half Alex Hornerbrook has

1067
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 1: been sensational of games. You look at Jonathan Taylor tailback,

1068
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 1: who is I think the clear best freshman running back

1069
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 1: alongside the guy on the other side of the field, JK. Dobbins.

1070
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: You look at the fact that they were in this

1071
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 1: game last year and you have even though they lost

1072
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:51,839
Speaker 1: the game to Penn State, this is a team that

1073
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: has experienced in these sort of enormous games in early December.

1074
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: There's coaching continuity, even with the new defensive cord. There's

1075
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: just there's a lot to like. You can set your

1076
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 1: watch to Wisconsin football.

1077
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 2: Wisconsin's a team with like a stable four oh one

1078
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 2: k and a roth ira. Ohio State can take me

1079
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 2: in a race car, which one do you think I

1080
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 2: want to pick?

1081
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: You do like speed, but you do go to sleep early.

1082
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 2: Only when Notre Dame's playing. I'm worried about Wisconsin in

1083
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 2: this game. I'm worried about them the way I'm worried

1084
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 2: about Miami, but to a greater degree. The metrics are

1085
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 2: fine with the Wisconsin passing game, I think mostly because

1086
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 2: they use it as a second fiddle and use it

1087
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 2: in a lot of high percentage spots. The centerpiece of

1088
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 2: this offense is forty six rushing attempts. It's two hundred

1089
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 2: and forty three yards per game. If Wisconsin has to

1090
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 2: lean on Alex Hornybrook to win this game, that's not

1091
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 2: enough Horny Dance trouble. That's not enough Horny. That is

1092
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 2: not giving me the vapors here. He's played twelve games

1093
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 2: this year, He's thrown at least one interception inn of them.

1094
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,439
Speaker 2: If they have to lean on him, if they can't

1095
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 2: get that ground game going here against a very good

1096
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 2: and very fast Ohio State defense, I think that's trouble,

1097
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 2: big trouble for Wisconsin here.

1098
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: I think that it comes down to who is able

1099
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: to dictate the style of this game. So against Michigan,

1100
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 1: you saw that it was back and forth and slow,

1101
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: and even though Michigan is not an up tempo team,

1102
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 1: Wisconsin was in its comfort zone. And Wisconsin is a

1103
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: better version of that very good defense, deliberate offense system

1104
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: then Michigan is. They have the quarterback to do it,

1105
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: they have a better line, they have a better staff

1106
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 1: to run it right now consistently. If it speeds up,

1107
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: if you know, Wisconsin turns it over early. If it's

1108
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 1: a type of game that is going to escalate quickly.

1109
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: That does not favor Wisconsin. And the concern for Ohio

1110
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: State to me is when they've played pretty good teams

1111
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: away from Columbus, they haven't looked great, especially an offense,

1112
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 1: but even they've been shaky. Wisconsin just flat out isn't

1113
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: tested like the Wisconsin. How many good defenses has Wisconsin

1114
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 1: played this year? I'd say two combined in twelve games,

1115
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 1: Michigan and then like half of Iowa and half of

1116
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: maybe Northwestern, So we don't know. We just don't have

1117
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: the frame of reference with Wisconsin. It's the schedule thing.

1118
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: Wisconsin is not a proven commodity in the way that

1119
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 1: most teams in this position are. So Alex Hornibrook has

1120
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 1: to be wonderful on third down from the first drive on.

1121
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 1: He has to connect, and you know there are times

1122
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: and games against the better teams where he does and

1123
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 1: that's really good, and he can against Ohio State. We

1124
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 1: have a beat up J. T. Barrett on the other side.

1125
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: I think he's going to play. Dwayne Haskins is certainly

1126
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: promising after what he did against Michigan, but this is

1127
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 1: a much bigger spot than he's ever been in and

1128
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: they I just Ohio State relies on talent to a

1129
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 1: point that I'm not fully comfortable with in a game

1130
00:59:58,560 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: of this magnitude.

1131
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 2: So that's very fair, very very fair point, and a

1132
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 2: good point.

1133
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: I am. I'm pretty torn, But right now I think

1134
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 1: there is something about Wisconsin that worries me more than

1135
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 1: it should at this point in the season. Not knowing

1136
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: enough about a team worries me, and Ohio State with

1137
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 1: the possibility to escalate things quickly and having their only

1138
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 1: real weakness strong weakness be maybe corner in that secondary,

1139
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 1: I don't think Wisconsin has the necessary game breaking passing

1140
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: offense to take advantage. So I have it twenty seven

1141
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 1: to seventeen Buckeyes. Okay, that's what I'm going with because

1142
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 1: I think that combination of things. I'm more comfortable with

1143
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:48,919
Speaker 1: that outcome than any other outcome, but not entirely over

1144
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 1: the top with it.

1145
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean what you describe is talent versus team football,

1146
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 2: and you know, we've seen that play out at usc

1147
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 2: number of years now. They always it's a talent, but

1148
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 2: playing together as a team, being consistent as a team,

1149
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 2: that's what they need to do if they want to

1150
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 2: get to the next level. And yeah, if you zoom

1151
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 2: in on the big ten, that's not usually a problem

1152
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 2: for Ohio State, but this year it seems to be

1153
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 2: a little bit out of sync here. I have gone

1154
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 2: the entire year believing that Wisconsin would get to this.

1155
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 1: Game and lose.

1156
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 2: Okay, and like you that, I think the closer it gets,

1157
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 2: the less confident I am in that viewpoint. Because you

1158
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 2: bring up so many good points, I am going to

1159
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 2: stick to my guns. I'm going to say a very

1160
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 2: similar score Ohio State wins. They barely cover, twenty four

1161
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 2: to seventeen. But a good football game.

1162
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't think it's fully fair to say

1163
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 1: it's talent versus team football because Ohio State might have

1164
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 1: the best rush defense in the country. Yeah. Sure, but

1165
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 1: they play I think, particularly cohesively on defense. I think,

1166
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 1: to me, the question is what do they try to do.

1167
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 1: We've made a probably too big of a deal of

1168
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: j T. Barrett running the ball too much, and you

1169
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 1: know what, if he's beat up, I imagine he's probably

1170
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 1: not going to be given design carries all that often

1171
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 1: against a defensive news Wisconsin's. But I don't know if

1172
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 1: the offensive cohesion is there week to week or at

1173
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 1: least against pretty good teams away from Columbus. So I'm

1174
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 1: rolling with the team that I think can win in

1175
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 1: more ways. And the thought of saying, yeah, I'm being

1176
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 1: a roll with Alex Hornybrook against a really tough pass rush.

1177
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:31,439
Speaker 1: I don't know that concerns me. It's the friend zone, Dan,

1178
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've been to Madison. I'd love to

1179
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 1: marry Madison.

1180
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 2: It's great, okay, And then we'll go to Friday at

1181
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 2: eight pm. It's another rematch the PAC twelve Championship Game,

1182
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 2: presented by seventy six. Is that a gas station out there?

1183
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 1: That is a gas station? They were at Dodger Stadium

1184
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 1: for a long time. That was a big orange seventy

1185
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 1: six sign.

1186
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 2: They played at Levi's Stadium, an iconic college football venue.

1187
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 2: No doubt there will be terrible turf and bad sunlight

1188
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 2: and bad refs the works for the PAC twelve Championship Game.

1189
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 2: USC won the first game against Stanford by a forty

1190
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 2: two to twenty four margin. They enter this football game

1191
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 2: as a three point favorite. Keep in mind that first

1192
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 2: game was all the way back in Week two. We're

1193
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 2: all a little younger and happier back then, USC gained

1194
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 2: over six hundred yards. It was the most ever allowed

1195
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 2: by Stanford under David Shaw. The operative question for me

1196
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 2: now is whether USC can do the same thing this

1197
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 2: time around.

1198
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 1: Can they do?

1199
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 2: Let me frame it to you a little differently, Let

1200
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 2: me ask you a different question, Give me something specific.

1201
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 2: Have either of these teams gotten better since week two?

1202
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 1: Yes, by USC getting healthier over the course of the

1203
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: season than they were early on. I am still not

1204
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: fully convinced of the consistency of Stanford after they lost

1205
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 1: at Washington State and go sort of bouts of struggling

1206
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 1: to have an offense beyond Bryce Love and his high

1207
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 1: ankle sprain that he's had since I believe two thousand

1208
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 1: and three. If you watch the Notre Dame game last week, Yes,

1209
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 1: I think USC, especially when you look at the stretch

1210
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 1: against the Arizona schools. Granted you're not talking about the

1211
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 1: best teams in the country, but against Stanford specifically. I

1212
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 1: like the success that USC's front had against Stanford's very

1213
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 1: good offensive line batting down passes. Granted, different quarterback situation

1214
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 1: for Stanford, which to me is an improvement about Stanford.

1215
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 1: But I think USC in terms of what they're able

1216
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 1: to do. On defense, they're a little bit better. I

1217
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 1: think the secondary has improved. Sam Darnold still worries me,

1218
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 1: but the Stanford defense doesn't fully scare me. See that

1219
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 1: makes sense.

1220
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 2: That's the thing like I'm not sure. I go back

1221
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 2: and forth on who's gotten better and to what degree

1222
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 2: they've gotten better. You can make a case for both.

1223
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 2: It's not like last year for USC, where you looked

1224
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 2: at him and said, oh my god. The transformation from

1225
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 2: the beginning of the season to the end has been monumental.

1226
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 2: It's been more of a slow build and it hasn't

1227
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 2: been as dramatic, but it's been there. The two things

1228
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 2: that I struggle with, though, are one, USC has so

1229
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 2: much more talent, and they should win this game the

1230
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 2: way they did the first time around. They really truly should.

1231
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 2: But secondly, David Shaw is a smart dude, and if

1232
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 2: you give him another crack at a team that beat

1233
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 2: him the first time around, at a minimum, I think

1234
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 2: that means a tighter football game. It's not a runaway

1235
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 2: train the way it was back in September. So I

1236
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 2: think USC wins the game because they have more ways

1237
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 2: to win. But I think it's tight I think it's

1238
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 2: right on that three, like thirty one to twenty eight

1239
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 2: USC something in that vicinity.

1240
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 1: Yes, and it's in what it's in, Santa Clara whatever,

1241
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:55,960
Speaker 1: which is obviously close to Stanford. But I think I

1242
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 1: anticipate USC traveling a little bit better for this game.

1243
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1244
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 1: I think it's a matter of USC self awareness. How

1245
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 1: are they on first down? Are they trying to be

1246
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold and the Trojans or are they Ronald Jones

1247
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 1: and Stephen Carr and the Trojans and with a good

1248
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 1: quarterback handing it off and just generating third and threes.

1249
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 1: So I think it's the self awareness and how well

1250
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 1: USC knows itself defensively. I have fewer and fewer questions.

1251
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 1: They gave up a little bit to Khalil Tate. I

1252
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 1: don't believe kJ Costello is the threat that Khalil Tate is.

1253
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 1: But really, since that Notre Dame game, you know, against

1254
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 1: Arizona State, Colorado and UCLA, nobody scored twenty five points

1255
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 1: against this defense outside of Arizona, and even before then,

1256
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 1: we're talking about a thirty eight to ten win. It's

1257
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 1: Oregon State, but they don't allow thirty to Utah. Even

1258
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 1: that Wazoo loss on the road, they didn't allow a

1259
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 1: ton of points, So I feel good about this defense.

1260
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 1: There's just especially with you know, Bryce Love in and

1261
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 1: out of games for a few weeks straight, I don't

1262
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 1: know if Stanford has the team speed necessary to challenge

1263
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 1: this USC defense. So I'm gonna go with USC here.

1264
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 1: I think a little bit more comfortably than you have

1265
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 1: it coming off of congratulations.

1266
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 2: Bye long last a bye week.

1267
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 1: They finally get there by Stanford playing still, you know,

1268
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 1: two very tough lines and Notre Dame. I'm gonna go

1269
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 1: with USC here something like thirty one to twenty three.

1270
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:25,439
Speaker 2: Okay, we on this sort of agree, but we both

1271
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 2: like the same team to win all right, other games

1272
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 2: here we gotta move quick, No, we don't.

1273
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 1: It's our show. We can do whatever we want. It

1274
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 1: is our show, damn it.

1275
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 2: The American Championship also a rematch here, so many readings.

1276
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 2: Saturday high noon, ABC UCF. They're at home in their

1277
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:47,840
Speaker 2: conference championship game. They're eleven to zero a seven point

1278
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 2: favorite against Memphis. Memphis is ten and one. These two

1279
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 2: teams met at the end of September. UCF gave them

1280
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 2: their only loss. They won the game by twenty seven

1281
01:07:56,680 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 2: forty to thirteen. They ran up over six hundred total

1282
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:03,480
Speaker 2: yards in that game. They held the ball for thirty

1283
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 2: seven minutes. They got four turnovers. Scott Frost has had

1284
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 2: the Cinderell season. I expect him to be coaching elsewhere

1285
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:16,639
Speaker 2: next season, so this could be his swan song. I

1286
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 2: like UCF here, I like him big. I think another

1287
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 2: instill where Yeah, it's closer than maybe the first time around,

1288
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:26,799
Speaker 2: but I gotta go with my heart in UCF.

1289
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 1: Let's say forty five thirty one. All right, so UCF.

1290
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,759
Speaker 1: I think that was an emotional win last week against

1291
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 1: the Bulls of South Florida. Right, yeah, great game, so crazy.

1292
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:39,720
Speaker 1: I mean, who is on the call for ESPN or

1293
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:42,559
Speaker 1: excuse me for ABC. That'd be our boy, Adam Aman. Yeah,

1294
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 1: I believe it was Adam Amean. So there is a

1295
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:49,440
Speaker 1: letdown factor anytime you get to play in front of nobility,

1296
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:54,560
Speaker 1: ty true. I like Memphis a whole bunch. Really, I

1297
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 1: am not crazy about Memphis defensively. You know, you look

1298
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 1: at both of these teams and sort of the unspoken

1299
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 1: thing and not unspoken but under realized thing about UCF

1300
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 1: is defensively, they are really solid, especially I mean against

1301
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:16,479
Speaker 1: the American. Their past defense has been real good within

1302
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 1: the context of again the American. But that's you know,

1303
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:21,439
Speaker 1: Memphis and Riley Ferguson, Anthony Miller. You're talking about a

1304
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 1: ton of talent for this Memphis team. I think because

1305
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:29,679
Speaker 1: of UCF's defense. I think I'm gonna go nights here.

1306
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 1: The seven points, it feels shootout to me. But the

1307
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 1: fact that it's in Orlando, got it, you know, in

1308
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:39,680
Speaker 1: a shootout take the points. I'm gonna I'm gonna go

1309
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 1: with Memphis here. Wow, Okay, I think you went outright.

1310
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 1: Forty five forty one UF another shootout?

1311
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:52,599
Speaker 2: Okay, another conference CHAMPIONI game another rematch. Yeah, We've got

1312
01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 2: the Marathon MAC Championship presented by Visio?

1313
01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 1: Is that also Gas Station?

1314
01:09:59,320 --> 01:09:59,679
Speaker 2: Visio?

1315
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 1: Isn't Marathon? Could be?

1316
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 2: I never saw two sponsors before and one title. They

1317
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 2: play this one at Ford Field. It's on ABC Saturday

1318
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:11,639
Speaker 2: at high noon. Toledo at ten and two, a twenty

1319
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 2: one and a half point favorite now over Akron, who

1320
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:18,720
Speaker 2: comes in at seven and five. They played earlier in

1321
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:22,680
Speaker 2: the year. Toledo won forty eight to twenty seven. The

1322
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:26,240
Speaker 2: only tidbit here. I'll add, don't look at seven and

1323
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 2: five for Akron and be two deceived by it. Three

1324
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:32,120
Speaker 2: of their five losses came against Penn State, Iowa State,

1325
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 2: and Troy. Troy of course beat LSU, so those aren't

1326
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:40,120
Speaker 2: bad losses. What side do we air on here? At

1327
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 2: the solid verbal air on the side of we air

1328
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 2: on the woods side? Dan Ah, gimme logan woodside in

1329
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:50,720
Speaker 2: Toledo here to win this one comfortably.

1330
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:54,919
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, light a candle for Jason Kandle

1331
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:55,640
Speaker 1: and Toledo.

1332
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:56,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1333
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a bad matchup, I think for Ackroan. That's

1334
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 1: why the spread is what it is. It's twenty points.

1335
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 1: It's uh, what's in Detroit?

1336
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:03,720
Speaker 2: Right?

1337
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 1: Yes, Ford neutral field, But I think I'm gonna go

1338
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:06,840
Speaker 1: with Toledo here to win big.

1339
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 2: Also at high noon on Saturday, the Dinocraft what's dinocraft?

1340
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:17,120
Speaker 2: Sounds sounds like a boat? Come marathon is a gas station?

1341
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:17,759
Speaker 1: Okay?

1342
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:23,640
Speaker 2: Dinocraft is sponsoring the Conference USA Football Championship at Florida Atlantic.

1343
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 1: It looks like they're children's bicycles. Am I looking at

1344
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:28,679
Speaker 1: this correct?

1345
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 2: Really?

1346
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:37,639
Speaker 1: I've Dinocraft wheels DYNA United States based distributor of bicycles, scooters,

1347
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 1: battery operated ride ons, and electric ride ons. That's kind

1348
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:43,080
Speaker 1: of cool. Yeah.

1349
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 2: Uh. Florida Atlantic at nine and three. They're at home,

1350
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 2: a ten point favored against North Texas, two teams that

1351
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 2: have interesting coaching situations. We all know about Lane Kiffin.

1352
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:57,720
Speaker 2: He's kind of a controversial figure in college football.

1353
01:11:57,400 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 1: Right only if you don't like fun tie.

1354
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 2: Florida Atlantic fired their old coach after that guy went

1355
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 2: three and nine three straight years. Lane Kiffin comes in

1356
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 2: there year one, he goes nine and three, the first

1357
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 2: time they've done that well since how Harold Schnellenberger was

1358
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 2: the coach back in two thousand and four. Holes Right, Meanwhile,

1359
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 2: you got Seth Latrelle, who very quietly has done a

1360
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:22,439
Speaker 2: good job for North Texas. He's not a household name,

1361
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 2: yet he could be in the future. Guy's only thirty nine.

1362
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 2: It's only a second year. He took over last year

1363
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:32,919
Speaker 2: after the Mean Green went one and eleven in twenty fifteen.

1364
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:35,760
Speaker 2: Now he's sitting here in the conference championship game at

1365
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:40,799
Speaker 2: nine and three, a rematch again. Florida Atlantic won sixty

1366
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:43,000
Speaker 2: nine to thirty one the first time around, So I'm

1367
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 2: gonna go fau woof. But a really good story just

1368
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:50,479
Speaker 2: on the coaching front for both sides here, given the

1369
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 2: fact that we've seen a quick turnaround.

1370
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm gonna go with the Owls as well.

1371
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:57,800
Speaker 1: Here I did the mean Green have been led by

1372
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 1: their offense. Big fan of Mason fine By. Defensively, I

1373
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 1: think they're going to struggle with the Owls, so give

1374
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 1: me the lane train. I think they win this by

1375
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:08,560
Speaker 1: a couple touchdowns. I don't think they score upwards of

1376
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:12,040
Speaker 1: seventy points again, but yeah, let's call it forty eight

1377
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:13,320
Speaker 1: thirty five.

1378
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 2: Owls and then the Mountain West Championship presented by Hampton

1379
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:21,840
Speaker 2: by Hilton. There's a rematch, not just any rematch. Dan

1380
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 2: Boise and Fresno played last week. They did Fresno won

1381
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:31,880
Speaker 2: twenty eight to seventeen. They should do this one like

1382
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:34,519
Speaker 2: aggregate scoring like they do in soccer when you have

1383
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:35,360
Speaker 2: two legs.

1384
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 1: Okay, I like that, like in a what is it

1385
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:39,840
Speaker 1: Champions Cup? Champions League?

1386
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:42,639
Speaker 2: In the Champions League right to be the one true champion,

1387
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 2: Boise would have to win this game by twelve or more.

1388
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 1: Hmmmm. I like where your head's at. Yeah, that makes sense.

1389
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:51,000
Speaker 2: They are at home in this football game.

1390
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:53,759
Speaker 1: Will Boise do it? Sure?

1391
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:58,000
Speaker 2: Why not? Boise wins on aggregate? Let's say they win

1392
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:01,840
Speaker 2: this game. God, I don't know if they're gonna win

1393
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 2: by that much. I'll just I'll go with it thirty

1394
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:06,040
Speaker 2: one to seventeen.

1395
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 1: So Fresno had both Alabama and Washington the non conference

1396
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 1: part of their schedule. So even their schedule, like you

1397
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 1: mentioned with Akron Who, By the way, you think you're

1398
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 1: gonna ice that Acron kicker? I think not. Nope, very trained.

1399
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 1: Wasn't that who? James Franklin tried to ice way way

1400
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 1: back when Fresno State is a ten win quality team.

1401
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:28,919
Speaker 1: They happen to play two super tough teams out of conference,

1402
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 1: but in terms of what they are, they've won eight

1403
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:34,280
Speaker 1: of their last nine. They lose a weird game to UNLV,

1404
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 1: but outside of that, they have been quite strong, especially

1405
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 1: on defense, especially running the ball. You know what, I

1406
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:42,959
Speaker 1: think it travels. I think the fact that Jeff Tedford

1407
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:46,400
Speaker 1: has this team playing down to down, play to play.

1408
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:47,720
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna pretend like I've watched a lot of

1409
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:50,240
Speaker 1: Mountain West football this year, but I haven't impressed the

1410
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:52,960
Speaker 1: little I've scene, so I'm going to ride with Fresno here.

1411
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 1: I think they fully take the Mountain West Champions League

1412
01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 1: back and forth. I think they win this game out

1413
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:02,640
Speaker 1: right by three. Give me the doll in the San

1414
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 1: Joaquin Valley twenty seven to twenty four, I ride with

1415
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 1: the SJV.

1416
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 2: And then the only other game I have here. It's

1417
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 2: not a conference championship game, but I've labeled it appropriately.

1418
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:14,519
Speaker 2: Is Florida State's twelve games so they can make a bowl.

1419
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:18,800
Speaker 2: So that's really what this is. Also Saturday high noon

1420
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 2: ACC Network, Florida State at home. They're five and six.

1421
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:25,800
Speaker 2: They've got a game against Louisiana Monroe. The only thing

1422
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 2: really notable to me, we know they're going to win

1423
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:30,280
Speaker 2: this game. They should win this game. The most notable

1424
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 2: thing is I know they're winning this game.

1425
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:35,200
Speaker 1: Florida State's not super good at football, and their coach

1426
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like he wants to be there.

1427
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:40,720
Speaker 2: They got to win this football game, Dan, just give

1428
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:42,639
Speaker 2: it to cam Akers like twenty five times.

1429
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:46,680
Speaker 1: They'll be fine. Okay, I'm not nearly as confident as

1430
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:48,519
Speaker 1: you are. I don't know what the points spread is

1431
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:51,240
Speaker 1: really not do you want me to look up the

1432
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:54,559
Speaker 1: points spread. If you really want to take this game seriously, sure,

1433
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:56,920
Speaker 1: why not? All right, I'm more here, let's do it.

1434
01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:00,760
Speaker 1: I mean, the fact that this game was scheduled so

1435
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:03,839
Speaker 1: Florida State could get to a bowl game is almost

1436
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:09,320
Speaker 1: like a very karmic threat to the very core of

1437
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:15,200
Speaker 1: Florida State. So Florida State is favored by twenty seven points,

1438
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:17,559
Speaker 1: so you gotta go. You gotta go fun Row. Then

1439
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 1: you gotta go to the points. You're going fun Row.

1440
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 1: I'm going Louisiana Monroe here to keep it closer than

1441
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 1: twenty seven with the Florida State team who is crumbling

1442
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 1: a little bit. A little bit sounds out? Yeah, why not?

1443
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:33,919
Speaker 2: Okay, there you have it. By the way, I'm walking.

1444
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 1: Up Oklahoma Lock of the Week. They're my lock. Here,

1445
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:44,720
Speaker 1: I'm locking up Clemson. I'm locking up Lock of the Week.

1446
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:52,120
Speaker 2: There you have it. A longer than usual show, but gosh,

1447
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 2: we had a lot to talk about between coaches, between

1448
01:16:55,000 --> 01:17:00,160
Speaker 2: playoff rankings, and between seven rematches on Conference Champion and

1449
01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:03,519
Speaker 2: Chip Week. Please do give us a phone call, as

1450
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:08,120
Speaker 2: you have in each of the previous thirteen College football Saturday.

1451
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:12,599
Speaker 2: Is our phone number for zero eight verbal one. That's

1452
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:15,880
Speaker 2: four zero eight eight three seven two two five one.

1453
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:20,440
Speaker 2: We will do our final reverbs of the college football

1454
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:24,519
Speaker 2: season on Sunday morning, when Dan and I reconvene to

1455
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:27,840
Speaker 2: discuss all of this action and much much more. Maybe

1456
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:32,040
Speaker 2: Tennessee you'll have a coach, Maybe Florida State won't, maybe

1457
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:35,839
Speaker 2: Oregon won't. Who the heck knows. It is a fast

1458
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:40,120
Speaker 2: moving situation in college football, at least as it relates

1459
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:41,639
Speaker 2: to the coaching carousel.

1460
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:44,479
Speaker 1: I'm not going to ask you to drop anything big

1461
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:46,559
Speaker 1: and stanky tie, but I don't know. If we pointed

1462
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:49,040
Speaker 1: out on our recap show, Lehi did lose to Stony Brooks.

1463
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 2: They lost by believe fifty nine to twenty.

1464
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:55,840
Speaker 1: Nine, by considerable margin. The pride of Long Island and

1465
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 1: Joe Nathan whatever they did take it to the Mountain Hawks.

1466
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:03,760
Speaker 1: That's a bummer. Yeah, but you know we're gonna be

1467
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:06,200
Speaker 1: doing a pretty I think it's a three part Pat

1468
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 1: League review show in the off season, so fear not.

1469
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:14,480
Speaker 1: Patt League discussion points are forthcoming.

1470
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 2: On that note, thank you everyone out there for bearing

1471
01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:21,680
Speaker 2: with us here. I hope you enjoyed the program, we

1472
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:24,720
Speaker 2: enjoyed making it for you. Please do. Stay tuned for

1473
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 2: more information regarding our live show, which is happening in

1474
01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:34,679
Speaker 2: Atlanta in early January, the Saturday before the College football

1475
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:36,719
Speaker 2: National Championhi. Yeah, it's gonna be January sixth.

1476
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 1: Leave your evening open, Tie, Yes on that.

1477
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 2: Note for that guy over there, Dan Rubinstein, for myself,

1478
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:47,320
Speaker 2: Tie hilden Brandt. Enjoy college football. Catch you on Sunday.

1479
01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:48,920
Speaker 2: Stay solid, Peace,