WEBVTT - Michael Eric Dyson Interview and more 0:00:02.400 --> 0:00:09.160 Dangerous morning show club business. They put y'all together. Y'all 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:11.280 are like a mega for us. Y'all just took over 0:00:11.360 --> 0:00:15.400 every with dollars. Your post is Chris Brown. I've officially 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:18.000 joined the breakfast club. Say something, mother, I'm with it, 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:42.559 dangerous morning show crekfas club petitions. Yeah, I put your 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:45.839 new fargis on the g. I cam into the bloody 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:49.440 bottoms is under knee because I'm got it out the streets. 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:51.879 I keep my hunting rains. Is that my g I 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:55.160 remember heating. I'm allay the whole ge. Now pay us 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:57.720 a call because I'm hauling. I was waiting up getting 0:00:57.840 --> 0:01:00.319 raked in. I'm haunting. I was broken. Now I'm rich, 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:03.240 deep foggy all this as I know, my body got 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:05.720 me dripping trip straight up my day, y'all. James, I'm 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:08.160 a big prup If I got up handa lean, I'm 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:10.399 a SIPs. I run the rats up with my queen 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:12.440 like learning and nip. But I got rich on all 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:14.880 these I did it forget back. I hadn't go through 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:17.240 the struggle. I didn't forget thing. I hoped this out 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:20.000 of them. Maybe getting out sit back deep don't mean 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:22.160 now because I got the big band because I'm getting 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:25.240 money now. I know you heard that young Gonda corner 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:27.240 that I had to serve Craig. I'm gonna frounting me 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:29.480 some peace and they're getting birds back. We came up 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:31.600 on dirty money. I gave it a bird bad off 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:34.000 the rain, and I came out the new boot. Either 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:36.520 you running y'all gang or your soup boop got a 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:41.480 new all tim minute, dude, Ain't I who knew? I 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:44.600 got the new fargis on the gee. I dram into 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:47.680 the bloody bottoms. It's on the knee because I'm got 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:50.440 it out the strings. I keep on hunting rags. I 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:53.400 my g I remember hitting. I'm allway the whole team 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:56.320 nine can't that's a call because I'm alling. I was 0:01:56.360 --> 0:01:59.160 waiting up getting rags and I'm any. I was broken. 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:02.360 Now I'm rich deep foppy. I've been waiting up there 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:05.720 getting the money. Whoa woa got it? Vad jazz teddy ball? 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:08.000 Whoa to vench it to my toes to twins up 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:10.960 my boats. I put in new Ape water like a boat. 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:13.440 I was damnade on my What was you? Because I 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:15.200 know you turned Joe back on me? Just to get 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:17.400 some racks. I seen you swarm back because I'm in 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:19.760 the black back New Damond's on me a flash, this 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:23.200 a snapcheck because I've been getting hay get like Damad's 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:26.040 on me. Look like Lemonad got my baby Mama Dad 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:28.520 New been tag trying to get it No Joe like 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:31.760 a sitting see Rose right umbrellas. When I'm in the rain, 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:35.280 I just mind my business. I got brothers that at 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:37.799 the time. I ain't getting all the rabbits. Just talk 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:41.920 about it. I going up. I ain't got no sky living. Yeah, 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:46.000 ain't I drammen take bloody bottoms is under knee because 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:49.519 I'm got it out streaks. I keep on hunting rains, 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:52.400 is my I remember hitting them all way the whole 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:55.600 King nine came. That's a call because I'm hauling. I 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:58.160 was waiting up getting racks and I'm haunting. I was 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:21.200 broken Now I'm rinsty top I yeah, yeah, wake up, 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:24.680 wake up, wake y'all. Just is your time to get 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:28.080 it off your chats, whether you're a man or blas, 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:31.120 we want to hear from you on the breakfast blood. Hello, 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:33.880 who's this you know it's anonymous? Anonymous? Get it off 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:36.960 your chats, bro, Yeah, I want to talk about basically 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:42.200 the difference between the term sex and gender. So basically, 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:48.320 sex is basically what refers to the penis of the vagina, 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:50.920 So that's what terms. It's your female or male, not gender. 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:56.200 Gender is basically different like um attributes that you have 0:03:56.320 --> 0:04:00.200 that sidy determined whether you act feminine, masculine, or something 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:02.840 in between. So that's why people say there's more than 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:05.360 two genders, which is true, but there's not more than 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:07.920 two sectors. The only two sectors are female and male. 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:10.960 But there's more than two genders because you could determine 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:12.480 how you see. I ain't got time for all this 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:15.000 woke this this morning, bro. What you're talking about? Man, 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:17.440 I don't even know what you're talking about right now. 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:21.159 What I'm saying, all right is that basically people referred 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:23.920 to gender, they're really referring to sex because there's a 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:26.800 different between sex and gender. Who who referred? All right? Man, 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:29.119 I'm awake, I'm awake, but I'm not walking. I'm awake 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:31.000 this morning, but I'm not walked. Even the way that 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:32.960 that came from. You woke people so tight and need 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:34.640 some sleep. I don't know what are you talking about 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:39.720 Alex what's up? What's up? What's up? Alex Envy? Did Dune? 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:42.960 Yes up? What's up? Bron Man? What's up? Head? Dune? 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:46.480 Got that bread, got that beauty? And huh yeah, jay 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:49.160 Z gotta got a billy, got it Billy? How they 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:52.320 did it? Do we learn from jay from which one? 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:55.359 You said? What we learn from this year? Or do 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:57.480 we learn from jay Z? You learn from both of them? 0:04:57.480 --> 0:04:59.560 You have more than one teach in school, didn't you. Yeah, 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:01.240 help the you learned from a lot of people talking 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:04.520 about why y'all saying such stupid things seriously? Or why 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:06.400 are you wake up in the morning just to say 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:09.000 things that you give no thoughts to whatsoever? Do you 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:11.960 only learn from one person throughout your whole life? Charlo Man, 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:13.720 We ain't got to do it like that, Charlotte. I'm 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:15.560 just saying, you know, if he has to learn from 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:17.920 his old Jez, he learned from Elijah Mohammad message to 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:20.200 the Black Man. Elia Mohammad was always talking about doing 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:22.320 for self and owning your own So what are we 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:24.520 talking about here? We learned from a lot of different 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:26.960 people in life. Don't forget that bad to get that man? 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:30.160 All right? Man, I would bless that pace. Bro. Yeah, y'all, y'all, 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:33.960 y'all just fishing me. What's man, they're getting it up there, 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:35.839 chest Shall Man, let's just let them talk. They do 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:39.479 sound a little stupid this morning. Michael. Hey, how's been doing? Brother? 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:43.960 Good morning? Everybody? Good good boyd game you know if 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:46.800 you're chess man, yep, I'm calling from Dell with you. 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:49.400 Come on my way to work to Davy alone way. 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:51.680 But I love you guys. I always love think to 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:54.360 the show. You guys are amazing. Thank you, sir. We're 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:57.760 pretty sure man. You're welcome. Sharlomn the guy. I love you, brother, 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:01.880 I to work and everything. Man, we love you, Bro. 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:07.920 I love you too, my brother. Thank you. Appreciate you. King. Then, hello, Hey, 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:11.200 what's going on? Charlotte Man? Good morning? How are you sir? 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:14.560 This morning? Man? I was at I was at usp 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:20.360 Ashfield when you were on Wendy Williams Show. Man. Come on, man, 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:24.360 I remember you. Man? Is that a jail? I'm okay, yes, yes, 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:26.360 well I did one hundred and eighty months of the 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:30.680 FEN first time Welcome Home I did from yes, sir, 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:33.719 I did from ninety nine to two thousand and fourteen, 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:37.080 and then from two thousand and fourteen to two weeks 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:39.960 ago a Supervisor release. I had to do sixty months 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:43.720 of Supervisor release. My boy, Mercy, what did you do? Yeah? 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:46.080 I couldn't even I couldn't even call a person like you. 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:48.120 If I called you, I would have got violated on 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:51.400 my supervisors release. What did you do? What did you do? Bro? Man? 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:54.480 I'm gonna be honest with you. I sold some guns 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:58.760 to somebody. They robbed the bank, and guess what. They 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:02.160 introduced me to undercover and I sold him nine hundred 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:04.760 pounds of marijuana. And guess what, that's what they got 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:08.520 me on and they bamily guns of marijuana. Man, Why 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:10.600 you don't write a rap album? I mean, I mean, 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:12.560 it is what it is, you know. I mean I 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:14.280 had to wear it. I had to do my time. 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:18.040 And I remember when you were just listening to uh. 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:20.760 I mean you were on Windy Williams showed for like 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:26.800 four hours. I was in Entry, South Carolina crazy and honestly, 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:29.400 I could not call a radio station while I was 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:32.600 on paper. Were you still? It was something he said 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:33.960 back then. It's still on your mind because you know 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:35.520 we've been in breakfast club for ten years. So what 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:38.120 did he say fifteen years ago that you still with 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:41.360 right now? Man, I'm gonna be your hunters with you? 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:47.520 You went off from was it crazy bones? Hold up? Man? 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:52.280 It was hey, it was That's all I'm gonna say. 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:54.440 There that one of the bones, Bro. You know that 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:56.800 seventeen years ago. Bro, you gotta let it go. That 0:07:56.880 --> 0:07:58.960 was I don't think I ever went off on one 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:01.920 of the bones. But I will say this, I appreciate 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:05.800 your enthusiasm because I can tell that you took you 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:08.360 missed doing regular things like just picking up the phone 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:10.720 to call a radio station. So you're really appreciative to 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:13.760 be able to do that now, man. And I'm gonna 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:16.600 be honest with you, you know, on this Twitter thing 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:20.400 and all these all the things. Man's been cloud chasing 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:23.560 doing everything what everybody else does, right, But I'm just 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:27.040 seeing how the I'm gonna be honest with you, man, 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:29.440 Why do you keep seeing? You gonna be honest? What 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:32.480 are you lying about? That's what he said before he 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:34.640 was locked up. Let him go, Charlomagne. You know what, brother, 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:36.000 it sounds like this is a conversation you want to 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:39.600 have with Charlomagn. You don't know. I'll give you. I 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:41.400 know there's a lot he gotta catch up. There's a 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:43.120 lot of things he gotta catch up on. Hold on, man, 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:44.760 he got there's a lot of things he got to 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:47.080 catch up on. He's been listening to you twenty years ago, 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:50.920 and I appreciate that. You know, I appreciate it. I've 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:52.760 been doing radio that long and it's been futid that's 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:55.000 been listening to me that long, But I appreciate you. 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:56.960 Gotta fill him in, Charlomagne, it says twenty years ago. 0:08:57.000 --> 0:08:59.000 I'm sure he gots baggy jeans and the beat, but stills, 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:01.959 you just gotta help him out that Twitter thing, that 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:04.240 Twitter tell him hit me up on that Twitter thing. 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:06.520 Oh my goodness. All right, get it off your chest 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:08.800 eight hundred five eight five one on five one. If 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:10.199 you need to vent, hit us up right now. It's 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:14.640 the Breakfast Club coming. Did your time to get it 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:17.079 off your chest? Whether you're Man or blast, so you 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:19.079 better have the same endutry we want to hear from 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:23.120 you on the Breakfast Club. Hello, who's this Angel? Angel? 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:25.800 Will suck getting off your chest? Hey, I just want 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:28.040 to say that, Hey, Seanan is right. I think guards 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:30.640 the vindicant and I'm I'm gonna keep you proof. Why 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:33.360 when when YG was there and he was giving those 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:36.320 uh Spanish words, you were the first one answering all 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:43.400 of it, all the Spanish words before Angel. Think. I think, Charlotte, 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:45.679 it might be Angel. That wasn't me. That was drama? 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:47.600 Was the board out that that? That is not true? 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:50.120 Why don't you stop claim you that wasn't me, that 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:54.439 was Angel? That you Dominican? No, okay, I thought you 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:56.800 wanted to claim envy, all right, I don't want to 0:09:56.800 --> 0:09:58.560 claim man, Why would I want to claim envy? Oh 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:01.440 you don't want him to be Salvadorian. Maybe he's Savadurian instead. 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:05.960 Oh maybe he thank'd be Just just just just own it. 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:09.000 Just teach me a sentence, man, say something, I'll repeat it. 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:14.439 Uh who saw? And you know? See, okay, I got that. 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:17.600 What do you say? He said? I like breakfast? Hello? 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:21.280 Who's this we comedian? Say? And get you off your chests. 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:24.160 I just want to thank God for this stage, right, 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:28.480 you know, I know. Look, I'm thank God for this day, 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:31.120 for this job. I'm so blessed on Holly Favorite. I 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:34.120 got my own business, not just one of to thank God. 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:37.679 You're not just blessed in Holly Favorite, you're blessed black 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:41.080 and Holly favorite. You. You're absolutely but I am blessed 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:43.000 like a Holly Favorite, and I just want to thank 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:47.320 God for it. Thank you. Hello. Who's this? What's up? 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:51.360 Every from Ashville, North Carolina? Again? Looks up? Bro? You 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:53.800 you started your business this weekend? Man, I started me 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:56.600 of my business this weekend as a hot dog cart 0:10:56.760 --> 0:11:02.840 called Bunnett LLLC. I like that. That's dope. Congratulations, sir. 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:05.120 You should have came out to the seminar. Man, you'd 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:07.480 have had over a thousand people wanting to my dogs. Brother. 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:09.640 Oh yeah, man, that's what I'm waiting on. Man, I 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:12.040 gotta get you this money. Man. I ain't man a man. 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:15.120 I want to thank y'all. Man you Charlemagne Angel ye 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:17.800 oh man, how you do a family guy? Man? I 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:19.600 really love that man, and there's a lot of family 0:11:19.600 --> 0:11:22.200 men out here to look up to that man. Keep going, 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:25.160 keep doing that, Charlemagne. Man, you just keep us in 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:28.240 from inspired and everything. Angel. I love you. You're beautiful 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:31.200 and everything. Baby. Um. I would like, oh y'all to 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:34.199 take a look at Black Elachian here he hiked the 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:38.360 Appalachian tril and he fights the underground railroad black election. 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:40.800 He got you tubes up and he just trying to show, 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:42.640 you know, black people that we can hike in because 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:44.680 if the world comes to an end, boy, we ain't 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:46.439 gonna know how to do nothing, So you know, check 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:49.760 him out. Any rapper to Loco. All right, bro, thank 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:51.800 you man. I say that all the time. If it's 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:54.520 a nuclear bomb or something was to hit, like, what 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:56.680 how would people survive? People don't know how to fish, 0:11:56.960 --> 0:11:58.200 they don't know how to hunt, they don't know how 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:00.920 to live off the land. Nothing. D J, good morning, 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:04.960 Hey dj Amy, what's going on? Man? What's up? CJ? Hey? 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:09.640 Dj oh, all right, what up? CJ? Hey envied uh 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:14.920 slo man. Yeah, we here every morning, chix hamon m 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:17.640 for nine years. We'll six oh five to toda. I 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:20.839 got you. Hey, three things real quick. Antel, you are 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:23.559 so beautiful. If I wasn't murried, you'll be my woman 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:26.240 and you wouldn't be hird me like you're doing your 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:33.079 boyfriend and um oh, you don't say thank you, and 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:35.599 I'm well, I'm gonna thank you for this and my boyfriend. No, 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:37.920 I just thank you beautiful. You'll see my woman. If 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:40.320 I wasn't murried, I might shout out to your wife. 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:44.079 Black men, no cheat broad yea yea hey, that's my 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:47.000 second point. Last Tuesday, I'm getting off for work, and 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:49.240 I was fine to see my side checking the first 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:51.520 thing out here in the cause black men don't see. 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:54.679 I want to say you lord ball and shalomn because 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:58.719 once I heard, I turn right around my wife. We 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:01.480 are we are there doing God's work. And you need 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:03.400 to stop running around here like a little black boy 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:05.400 and start being a real black man because black men 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:09.560 don't cheap, but black boys do. Your side check. Yeah, 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:13.839 I'm no, it's not worth it's exactly sir. How old 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:17.120 are you? See what I'm saying. You're still in that phase. 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:19.160 I understand, but you know you gotta be a black man, 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:22.240 not a black boy, sir. He's right right. And hey, 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:25.599 the last thing is everybody swam to an empty for 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:28.280 your game show. But I'm the same way, like I'm 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:31.240 trilling my batting. I'm free to say and to whatever 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:34.120 I want to do. The man one who be fake 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:36.480 man and trying to just themselves goes through the one 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:39.199 on the download. All right, listen. With that said, I 0:13:39.280 --> 0:13:41.920 want you to know that today's National Peaches and Cream Day. Sir. 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:46.280 All right, I shout out to what twelve. Hey, that'll 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:49.800 be my dessert for the night. There you go. And 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:51.400 if you look, if you get a little cream on 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:53.679 your bottom lip, just lick it off with your tongue 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:56.800 like a real man. Hey. Hey, that's what my side 0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:59.880 used to do. That's what stop talking about your side. Say, 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:05.800 grow up, sir, he misses her. Get it off your chests. 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:08.000 Eight hundred five eight five one oh five one. If 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:09.319 you need to vent, hit us up now. It's the 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:17.280 Breakfast Club. Good morning, the Breakfast Club. DJ mvy Angela Yee, 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:19.600 Charlomagne the guy. We are to Breakfast Club. We got 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:22.920 a special guests in the building, sir. Jeez, what I'm dough. 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:26.280 Welcome back, come on man, back home baby, Legend of 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:29.160 the snow Man. Yes, sir, I'm ready. What's the expectations 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:31.280 for you when you put together these thug motivation projects, 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:34.840 because these are these are special projects. Yeah, I'm in 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:37.160 for me. It's just like just making sure I'm in pocket. 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:40.000 And and it's a real body of work. You know 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:42.680 what I'm saying. I kind of figured the game out. 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:44.360 Now it's like, you can't put her single out, you 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:46.800 know what I'm saying, because everybody's ay and ours. So 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:48.440 you just gotta put the body of workout and just 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:50.920 hope people take. It's like a self help book if 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:52.960 you can't take a chapter and put it out because 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:55.040 that that might not be the chapter they want, you 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:57.480 know what I'm saying. So but I thought you were tired. 0:14:57.480 --> 0:15:00.320 I thought the soul support of the liquor cump. Yeah. 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:11.600 First of all, mister Forbes, listen, Yeah, I gotta getting 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:14.800 many calls as you start even talking like that, I know. 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:17.200 But for me, man, it was like, um, you know, 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:19.200 there's one of them things where like, you know, I 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:21.840 do music, but I also want to do you know, business, 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:24.600 Like I'm I'm passionate about that because I understand it. 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:27.360 Just coming from the block and learning how to get money. 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:29.640 That's something that drives me. And it's just like if 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:31.720 anybody know anything about life, it's like when you come 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:34.080 stagnant and you're just doing the same thing, you know 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:35.880 what I'm saying, kind of like take away from who 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:41.720 you are. So, where's the best place you've been on vacation? Man, Europe. 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:45.960 I just love Europe period. Man. Just it's just you know, 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:50.080 the foods, different airs, different moons, different, it's just different. 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:51.760 And I took one of my homies the last time 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:53.880 I went. He never been he's from you know, he's 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:55.800 straight from the hood. But just to see the look 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:58.960 on his face, you know, just to see how life 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:00.880 is just so different, you know what I'm saying, Just 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:03.600 to live through him, because I've been there a couple 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:07.000 of times. I mean, just it was real, surreal. Have 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:08.960 you ever cried somewhere? Have you ever been somewhere and 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:11.280 been like, God, damn, I'm really not an AUNTI portion 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:14.280 no more selling that work. Nah, not yet. I guess 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:17.440 I ain't been there. Yeah, yeah, I mean, but I've 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:20.440 I've been in situations where I've sat back and realized 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:23.000 how blessed I am. Yeah, I've been there. When the 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:25.160 last time you felt that feeling the gratitude? Oh, man, 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:27.640 Like maybe a couple of things. I was on my 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:29.920 flight and I was listening to the album, just kind 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:32.720 of listening to the mixes and stuff, and I was 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:39.200 listening to the intro track The Entrepreneur that's yeah, and 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:41.480 I don't know it just kind of really brought bad 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:44.160 memories though, because I'm I'm telling the story about that, 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:45.640 and I'm just like, damn, you know, I really went 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:47.360 through that, but you know, I'm still out here on 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:49.880 my grind. But at the same time, it just really 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:52.520 like took me back in that that memory lane. I'm like, then, 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:54.560 I just remember those hard times and going through all 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:57.040 this stuff, and it's just like overcoming it. It's just 0:16:57.120 --> 0:16:59.080 like sometimes you don't pack yourself on the back enough, 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:01.480 both in things because you're sow in real time. I 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:02.960 talked to Tip about it all the time. It's like, 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:05.760 we accumulate so much and we're so successful in so 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:08.560 many different ways, we're gonna take the time to look 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:10.480 at the last accomplishment we did because we on to 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:12.440 the next thing. If that's your favorite Joe on the album, 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:17.359 No man, Actually I love the John Legend song about 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:20.000 my mother. That was deep. I can't you know, I 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:21.920 don't even listen to that one, by the way, So 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:24.480 it's like when I wrote it, I listened to it 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:25.920 and he mixed it. I was done with it. But 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:28.840 I definitely can't touch that one like I cry. But 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:31.640 I mean, because you know, my mother, she's got a situation, 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:33.320 so she's not healthy right now. And it's just like 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:37.600 that record basually described she's the real MVP. And it's like, um, 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:40.399 when I jumped off the ports, I took a lot 0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:42.639 of my time trying to you know, come up and 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:45.119 take care of everybody, and I ain't really take the 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:47.040 time to be a son. And it's just like now 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:50.560 she she's not well. So it's just like when I 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:53.040 when I see people moving around taking any mother's on tour, 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:56.560 vacation doing things, it's just like, damn, you know, I 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:58.760 got go see my mother in this place, and and 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:01.280 you know, it hurt because it's like I missed all 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:02.960 that time and it's like I can't get none of 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:05.040 it back. And it's like I didn't getting them but 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:07.000 some money, you know what I'm saying. So I didn't 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:10.320 really gain much and I lost my mom. But like 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:13.480 I think every day for like giving me like morals 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:16.680 and teach me when integrity was and how to be 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:19.240 a man, just like she, she don't really get a 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:21.359 chance to see me in that light. But it's like 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:23.679 because now I'm of age and I have grew up, 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:25.560 so I ain't really with the you know, but it's 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:27.119 just like she ain't here to see that. All right, 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:28.960 We got mold with jeez. When we come back, it's 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:32.160 the Breakfast Club. Come on, I want to get everybody 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:35.560 as DJ N v Angela Yee, Charlomagne, the guy we 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:38.439 all the Breakfast Club was too kicking it with jeez ye. 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:40.560 So jeez, how are you now when it comes to 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:43.159 shopping and clothes? Are you really into it? Do you 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:45.479 spend your money on it? Now? Man? I keep it gee, man, 0:18:45.560 --> 0:18:48.040 like I tried. I tried, you know what I'm saying. 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:50.680 Like I tried, Man, you know, I might go buy 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:52.719 some things, but my homies called me like I had 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:56.600 some Balenciaga boots, man, and man, listen, new things caused 0:18:56.640 --> 0:18:59.160 the mass hysteria, and I thought there were the flies 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:01.640 boots in the world. Calls like yo, yo one time 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:03.560 when you do with the cowboy boots. So you're thinking 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:12.200 little that I'm like, ya bought these, But listen little, 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:17.720 I'm like, yo, these just got the buckle on them. 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:20.240 Like this is it? You know, I think I'm about Tupac. 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:23.320 You know what I'm saying. I get calls trays called 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:25.440 me telling we gotta, we gotta, we gotta group chat corn. 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:32.639 They kill your cousin. Yo, I'm like yo, so I 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:34.800 called him. I called up triggered abouts, like yo, this 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:36.760 is what I'm gonna do, I said them. The day 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:38.560 to Alum comes out, I said, want all y'all to 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:41.000 come over. I said, I'm gonna get some wood. You 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:42.640 know what I'm saying. I'm gonna get some. I'm gonna 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:45.520 get some I'm gonna get some light of fluid. You 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:47.240 know what I'm saying. I'm gonna get. I'm gonna get. 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:49.399 I'm gonna get everything I need and I want you 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:51.360 to come over to the crib. And August twenty third, 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:53.320 on the day to Alum comes out, I'm gonna I'm 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:55.080 gonna burn these boots in front of everybody cause I 0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:59.880 need my friends back and cast me. Friend called me free. 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:03.040 Is that you're swell like you calling me like O 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:08.240 T jailers? Come tell your cousin domies. I LA won't 0:20:08.280 --> 0:20:09.959 know if you're still solid. I'm like, yo, my man, 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:21.119 you see you look, don't know? Did you fire? The silence? 0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:24.960 After that? He burns my call. Now, let me ask 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:27.040 you this, since this is the last of the installment 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:30.879 of Doug motivation and this is the last album on 0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:34.879 deaf Jam. What's next man for me? Um right here 0:20:35.240 --> 0:20:39.480 big figures, Wireless. Um, this is like my new baby 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:42.720 I got. I got the Defiance Few Athlete Water of course, 0:20:43.280 --> 0:20:47.040 um like ENVYAM Heavy and real estate and uh obviously 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:49.960 Avion Tequila. I got my agency Agency ninety nine, which 0:20:49.960 --> 0:20:54.120 we manage all the brands and businesses. But um, yeah, 0:20:54.440 --> 0:20:57.320 but what are you gonna do musically another deal? Are 0:20:57.320 --> 0:20:59.480 you gonna have your own independent label? I mean I 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:01.600 just feel I feel like I got the infrastructure to 0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:03.600 do whatever. But it's just like for me right now, 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:07.080 I just gotta take some time to like but he 0:21:07.200 --> 0:21:10.240 just I got my next ten fifteen year playing But 0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:12.000 I just want to really see I want to execute 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:14.159 that because I look at people like Magic Johnson. I 0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:17.080 love Magic like that's my mentor, Like you know what 0:21:17.119 --> 0:21:19.240 I'm saying. I just love the fact that he's solid, 0:21:19.480 --> 0:21:21.960 he lives his life, he got balanced around him. He 0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:24.160 takes care of his friends in the way he's giving 0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:26.640 them experiences, and he's traveling. He see in the world. 0:21:26.680 --> 0:21:29.199 But if you look at other athletes that came up 0:21:29.240 --> 0:21:31.440 with him, they're not set up like that. So that 0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:33.960 just tells me that I gotta move in that way 0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:36.000 if that's what I want to be in ten, fifteen, 0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:37.760 twenty years, because that's what I respect. You know what 0:21:37.800 --> 0:21:40.320 I'm saying, Like, I love um, you know, Allen iverson 0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:42.399 to different people. And I know that Kevin Real was 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:44.159 hanging out in the strip clothes and me and all that. 0:21:44.400 --> 0:21:46.520 But then I have to look at somebody like Magic Johnson. 0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:50.040 After he was, you know, a great basketball player, Now 0:21:50.080 --> 0:21:52.520 he's a great husband. Now he's a great father, and 0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:55.640 now he's a great you know, mentor now he's he's 0:21:55.680 --> 0:21:57.920 a great businessman. And I watched this move because I 0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:02.000 remember when he had the NAA, we're gonna do that 0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:07.000 the Magic Johnson theaters. Ye find its like we didn't 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:08.920 see the move then, you know, we were just going on. 0:22:09.840 --> 0:22:12.000 But he was already making his moves. And you really 0:22:12.040 --> 0:22:15.159 think about Atlanta, all the history that had happened in 0:22:15.320 --> 0:22:18.720 Visits nightclub, right, so all the all the history that 0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:22.760 happened there, he told all that down and build you know, uh, 0:22:23.000 --> 0:22:25.960 hot rises. So he was powerful enough to come take 0:22:26.000 --> 0:22:28.680 our whole night life away and build high rises on 0:22:28.760 --> 0:22:30.440 that street and give them to his son, you know 0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:31.800 what I mean. So I look at things like that 0:22:31.840 --> 0:22:33.879 and I go, man like, to me, that's that's the 0:22:33.960 --> 0:22:36.480 American dream. Absolutely, you know what I'm saying. So it's like, I, 0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:38.920 you know, I'm pretty cold at what I do. I 0:22:39.000 --> 0:22:41.359 think I'm in Charlotte Maine's Top five. I know, so 0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:44.080 you got you gotta be hard to be there. But 0:22:44.200 --> 0:22:46.400 it's just like, is that the only contribution I want 0:22:46.400 --> 0:22:48.040 to make to the world. I don't think so well. 0:22:48.080 --> 0:22:51.200 The album is out tomorrow, TM one on four TM 0:22:51.280 --> 0:22:53.280 one on four. We appreciate you for joining us. Hey man, 0:22:53.320 --> 0:22:55.760 I appreciate y'all for having man shout side the figures 0:22:55.760 --> 0:22:59.040 Wiless South Side of defines fuel South Side of New 0:22:59.160 --> 0:23:03.080 York City, UM South SOUTHDAYC ninety nine shouts out to 0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:06.440 the Breakfast Club. All right, well it's the Breakfast Club. 0:23:06.560 --> 0:23:11.280 Is sir j Envy Angela Yee Charlomagne the guy? We 0:23:11.359 --> 0:23:12.960 are to Breakfast Club? Now if you just joined us. 0:23:12.960 --> 0:23:16.760 We were talking about Little Wayne's daughter, Yes, little an 0:23:16.760 --> 0:23:21.520 Antoya Rice daughter, and she went to this cucumber pool 0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:25.920 party and she previously had been really not excited about 0:23:25.960 --> 0:23:28.480 these women doing this cucumber challenge. So people were getting 0:23:28.480 --> 0:23:30.880 at her for being at the party, but she said, Okay, guys, 0:23:30.920 --> 0:23:32.880 I want to say this. I went to the party 0:23:32.920 --> 0:23:35.400 to spy on a wife and Lucci females, don't act 0:23:35.480 --> 0:23:37.200 like you never did it. But when I heard about 0:23:37.200 --> 0:23:39.800 the cucumber activities, I left. To be honest, I made 0:23:39.840 --> 0:23:41.639 myself look like a fool for this man, and I 0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:44.440 apologize for allowing you guys to see it. I'm young 0:23:44.560 --> 0:23:46.680 and still learning. Now, have you ever a spot on 0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:51.880 your man? Before you have? I ever did a pop up? Yeah? 0:23:52.080 --> 0:23:53.840 You know, I've done a pop up. I don't trying 0:23:53.840 --> 0:23:55.440 to think if I've ever gone to a party, but 0:23:55.520 --> 0:23:57.800 I've definitely popped up at his house. I did that 0:23:57.800 --> 0:23:59.520 a couple of times. One time I actually climbed through 0:23:59.560 --> 0:24:03.240 the window. That's a real pop up. And that's because 0:24:03.240 --> 0:24:05.560 I knew something was going on. And sometimes even though 0:24:05.600 --> 0:24:06.919 we know things, we want to see it with our 0:24:06.960 --> 0:24:09.560 own eyes. I don't know why, but I guess that 0:24:09.720 --> 0:24:11.080 was really the end of it for me, to be 0:24:11.160 --> 0:24:13.920 able to see somebody doing something with my own eyes. Yeah, 0:24:14.000 --> 0:24:17.080 I've done it once to twice. Charlemagne always, I grew 0:24:17.160 --> 0:24:19.800 up a very insecure young man, too, and when you're 0:24:19.840 --> 0:24:21.480 the type of person like me who was cheating on 0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:23.560 my woman and made me feel guilty, so that on 0:24:23.640 --> 0:24:25.960 top of my insecurity, I thought she was doing dirt 0:24:26.000 --> 0:24:28.159 when she wasn't. So yes, I popped up at jobs. 0:24:28.200 --> 0:24:32.080 I've popped up at dorms, iopped up class apartments. I 0:24:32.160 --> 0:24:34.399 popped up the class. Will my motorcycle right to a class. Well, 0:24:34.440 --> 0:24:36.520 well you think she was doing in class? I don't know, 0:24:36.680 --> 0:24:37.879 I don't know. You just want to see maybe she 0:24:37.960 --> 0:24:39.680 passing a note, maybe she holding her hands like as 0:24:39.720 --> 0:24:42.600 a guy a guy when a guy is already doing dirt, 0:24:43.080 --> 0:24:46.119 like you automatically think your woman is just like you know, 0:24:46.480 --> 0:24:48.600 sucking everywhere. You know what I'm saying. Like even if 0:24:48.640 --> 0:24:51.120 she's not like any you can go down anytime, any place. 0:24:51.440 --> 0:24:54.200 So yes, I definitely had guys pop up on me. 0:24:54.600 --> 0:24:57.840 That was at parties. And listen, I'll leave a party 0:24:57.840 --> 0:24:59.639 if somebody tried to pop up on me, I slide 0:24:59.640 --> 0:25:02.199 out and like this is ridiculous. All you pop up 0:25:02.280 --> 0:25:04.200 like you know, like I say, like say, like you know, 0:25:04.359 --> 0:25:06.520 my wife was in college. They used to be partying 0:25:06.520 --> 0:25:08.720 at this place called five points five pence puts all 0:25:08.720 --> 0:25:10.760 the college kids used to go on Thursday night. I mean, 0:25:10.880 --> 0:25:12.800 anybody could go hang out there, but that wasn't really 0:25:12.920 --> 0:25:15.640 my scene. But you just pop up at a random place, 0:25:15.760 --> 0:25:17.760 like what are you doing here? Like, you know, you 0:25:17.880 --> 0:25:20.639 just just be in Charlotte Ruce while she in there, 0:25:20.720 --> 0:25:22.960 like why are you in Charlotte's Ruce? He's doing a 0:25:22.960 --> 0:25:27.560 little shot rusself. But you know, you just you just 0:25:27.680 --> 0:25:29.959 pop up in random places. You ain't got no business being. 0:25:30.080 --> 0:25:31.879 Why are you at my old b g y n oh? 0:25:31.960 --> 0:25:36.040 I don't know, I just say nothing, Hello, who's this? Hello? 0:25:36.440 --> 0:25:39.800 My name is jazz Man. How are you going? Jazzmine 0:25:39.880 --> 0:25:42.040 Queen of the pop up Jasmine is way too loud 0:25:42.119 --> 0:25:45.520 to be popping up on somebody. No, definitely pop up 0:25:45.520 --> 0:25:49.040 on that. But let me tell y'all, let me tell y'all, 0:25:49.080 --> 0:25:51.119 I'm really the pop up queen though. Let me I 0:25:51.240 --> 0:25:53.520 had a tractor on my on my baby Daddy cars 0:25:53.560 --> 0:25:55.880 for like three years and he never knew it. Wow, 0:25:56.359 --> 0:25:58.960 he like damn't like thinking that his friends on them 0:25:59.000 --> 0:26:01.520 and everything like that. But really he had no idea 0:26:01.880 --> 0:26:03.959 that I was just like chucking at as though all 0:26:04.040 --> 0:26:05.800 day every day. I don't know how he couldn't figure 0:26:05.840 --> 0:26:07.520 that out when you were just showing up place to 0:26:07.600 --> 0:26:10.560 put a track on somebody's call. Clearly they do, Jasmine, 0:26:10.600 --> 0:26:13.920 you're crazy, crazy, he'll don't play with me, And you 0:26:14.000 --> 0:26:18.040 did that for three years. He never knew though, right, 0:26:18.119 --> 0:26:20.440 he never knew so little thing. Like one time he 0:26:20.480 --> 0:26:22.160 went out to eat with this girl, Like I said 0:26:22.200 --> 0:26:24.280 in the parking Jobs, I let him eat it. Everything 0:26:24.640 --> 0:26:26.760 that went back to his apartment, you know what I'm saying, 0:26:26.840 --> 0:26:29.399 Like I'm just just following him. He's like, okay, so 0:26:29.560 --> 0:26:32.520 this inky. So I just you know, I just walk 0:26:32.600 --> 0:26:35.320 up to the apartment, knocked on the door. They turned 0:26:35.320 --> 0:26:37.119 off the lights and stuff trying to hide and stuff, 0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:40.359 and the texting the girl's phone, like like he got 0:26:40.400 --> 0:26:42.440 five minutes to come outside on coming in that bag 0:26:42.480 --> 0:26:46.879 thing and like they scattered up that up as crazy 0:26:46.960 --> 0:26:49.200 that for three years he wasn't scared enough to stop 0:26:49.280 --> 0:26:52.399 doing the stuff he was doing. Sharing. Yeah, you ever 0:26:52.480 --> 0:26:55.080 popped upon an ex or man or your man? You 0:26:55.200 --> 0:26:57.600 know what? No, because of something that's going on. I 0:26:57.680 --> 0:27:00.440 don't want to know about it. You're getting when you 0:27:00.480 --> 0:27:03.280 go looking for trouble. But here's my story. So I 0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:06.840 found out that my suons the ex husband, Uh put 0:27:06.960 --> 0:27:09.960 his cell phone in my car. So one day on 0:27:10.200 --> 0:27:11.960 part and all of a sudden, I just hear this 0:27:12.160 --> 0:27:14.159 music out of the blue, and I'm like, what is that? 0:27:14.400 --> 0:27:16.879 So I looked at my fat feet and he shoved 0:27:16.960 --> 0:27:20.040 his cell phone in between my back seat so he 0:27:20.080 --> 0:27:22.960 could track me. So he didn't have his cell phone 0:27:23.000 --> 0:27:28.240 on him, he just left it him. Yeah, exactly. He 0:27:28.280 --> 0:27:31.040 said he had a second form. Dang, wow, he had 0:27:31.080 --> 0:27:33.679 to charge that every day. That's that smart. Why did 0:27:33.720 --> 0:27:35.280 he not trust you? Was there a reason or he 0:27:35.400 --> 0:27:42.399 just hit insecurities? M M all right, thank you exactly. DeAngelo. Yo, 0:27:43.320 --> 0:27:45.960 you propped upon your wife's man. Oh yeah, oh yeah, 0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:48.280 good morning. By the way, good morning. He's liked good 0:27:48.320 --> 0:27:53.680 morning Christa mom. I'm not crazy, but uh well yeah, 0:27:53.720 --> 0:27:55.920 I responded to what she did. She wouldn't and I 0:27:56.040 --> 0:27:59.159 didn't want her to go out, So I got my 0:27:59.320 --> 0:28:01.440 daughter in the up, put my dog yell the truck 0:28:01.480 --> 0:28:04.440 and pulled up at the club on called her in line. 0:28:05.000 --> 0:28:07.080 But at the day it was I knew that I 0:28:07.160 --> 0:28:08.800 brought my dog with him because I felt like, I 0:28:09.000 --> 0:28:11.960 don't have to go into the club. But I didn't 0:28:11.960 --> 0:28:13.920 have to go in the club. Thank god. But I 0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:16.439 got out cause a little thing in the line got 0:28:16.480 --> 0:28:19.240 her in the truck and then we pulled off. You 0:28:19.320 --> 0:28:21.959 brought your dog, can't get out the car and your 0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:24.520 daughter and me while I'm yelling that huff. So you 0:28:24.640 --> 0:28:26.560 was gonna bring your dog and daughter in the club 0:28:26.600 --> 0:28:28.720 to final Now I was gonna be the dog and 0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:31.000 the daughter in the car while I was in the club. 0:28:31.320 --> 0:28:34.240 How old is your daughter? Oh? She was a baby? Baby? 0:28:34.320 --> 0:28:38.360 Then baby, So you're about to go to jail. You're 0:28:38.360 --> 0:28:41.000 about to go to jail because of your own in charity. 0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:44.600 Nice one of those nights, man, you should the dog 0:28:44.680 --> 0:28:47.640 in the club and he rasdalized it. But you know what, 0:28:47.960 --> 0:28:49.760 my dog go watched my daughter while I go to 0:28:49.800 --> 0:28:52.000 the club for a second. I have the best guard 0:28:52.080 --> 0:28:54.720 dog anyword I wanted to did it? Had my dog 0:28:54.840 --> 0:28:58.040 been been been like he want and his mother water? 0:28:58.640 --> 0:29:01.680 But you know, all right, man, I'm sorry, that's too much. 0:29:02.120 --> 0:29:04.600 I have a god, I ain't gonna front. That ain't 0:29:04.640 --> 0:29:06.600 a bad idea. I leave, I lead the dog in 0:29:06.680 --> 0:29:09.000 the car with the kids. I'm terrible like this. Shut up? 0:29:09.840 --> 0:29:11.760 What's the mall of the story, the all of the stories? 0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:14.640 Get your insecurities together. Bro Okay, trust me, I've been there. 0:29:15.280 --> 0:29:17.280 I feel sorry for Reginator. But she young though, you 0:29:17.360 --> 0:29:19.320 know what I mean, So I get it. You know 0:29:19.400 --> 0:29:22.080 you're just happening for her. Yeah, you do stuff like 0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:24.280 that when you're young, when you have those insecurities and 0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:26.400 you know you just want to make sure somebody doing 0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:28.920 it right by you. I get it, I get it, 0:29:29.200 --> 0:29:31.040 all right. We got more coming up next with a 0:29:31.120 --> 0:29:35.120 breakfast club wanting everybody is DJ Envy and Angela ye 0:29:35.280 --> 0:29:37.840 Cholamine the guy. We all the breakfast club. We got 0:29:37.880 --> 0:29:40.160 some special guests in the building. Yes, sir, you have 0:29:40.240 --> 0:29:42.200 Michael Eric Dyson, who has a book that's coming out, 0:29:42.360 --> 0:29:44.960 jay Z Made in America. Yes, sir, and it's of 0:29:45.040 --> 0:29:48.080 course on jay Z as well. That's true too. Couldn't 0:29:48.080 --> 0:29:51.800 be better. I mean, from your mouth to God's ears. 0:29:52.720 --> 0:29:56.880 What is this book about? Well, you know, as uh, 0:29:57.640 --> 0:29:59.640 sister Angela was saying, I've been teaching a course on 0:29:59.760 --> 0:30:03.959 jay for like the last decade and nearly the last decade, 0:30:03.960 --> 0:30:06.840 i should say, And so I wanted to take what 0:30:06.920 --> 0:30:08.640 I've been doing in that class and put in the 0:30:08.680 --> 0:30:11.120 book because it appeared to me as it should to 0:30:11.160 --> 0:30:13.520 anybody when you're pouring over these lyrics. This dude is 0:30:13.520 --> 0:30:17.280 a rhetorical genius, his verbal invention, He's got all kinds 0:30:17.280 --> 0:30:20.520 of skills, and the irony is as great as people 0:30:20.600 --> 0:30:23.840 think Jay is. He's underrated. He's underrated because they don't 0:30:23.920 --> 0:30:26.880 understand the mechanics behind what he's doing, the kind of 0:30:26.960 --> 0:30:31.840 poetic rules and inventions, the use of metaphor similarly, how 0:30:31.960 --> 0:30:34.400 sophisticated it is. And then when you're adding there the 0:30:34.480 --> 0:30:37.200 fact he don't even write it down. This book kind 0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:40.880 of is the finishing of the trilogy of figures who 0:30:40.960 --> 0:30:44.880 have been incredibly important and influential in the world of 0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:47.040 hip hop. It's interesting, you've been teaching this course at 0:30:47.080 --> 0:30:50.120 Georgetown for ten years and so much has happened in 0:30:50.280 --> 0:30:53.080 jay Z's life in the course of that ten years. 0:30:53.160 --> 0:30:55.960 So how do you adjust to that as you come 0:30:56.040 --> 0:30:58.760 up with your syllabus every year. Yeah, that's a great point. Well, 0:30:58.800 --> 0:31:01.080 you got to involve, you know, And and Hope is 0:31:01.080 --> 0:31:03.960 putting out so much work and putting in so much 0:31:04.040 --> 0:31:06.920 work and doing so many things because it's not just 0:31:07.080 --> 0:31:10.000 the music he's doing, it's what he's doing beyond the 0:31:10.120 --> 0:31:15.040 culture um of hip hop itself, or it's especially beyond rap, 0:31:15.520 --> 0:31:20.040 so his business ventures, his engagement in the world, his 0:31:20.320 --> 0:31:26.360 entrepreneurial um, you know, exploits, his criminal justice reform stuff, 0:31:26.400 --> 0:31:29.440 all of that stuff, and then just the music itself, 0:31:29.600 --> 0:31:35.440 just the words themselves, the density of his poetic inventiveness. 0:31:35.920 --> 0:31:38.920 It's something that I'm preoccupied with. So every time out, 0:31:39.400 --> 0:31:41.240 you know, we focus on a different aspect or a 0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:45.440 different level of his creativity and look at new stuff 0:31:45.440 --> 0:31:48.760 he's done. Well do you guys communicate with each other? Um, 0:31:49.120 --> 0:31:52.480 you know, pretty pretty routinely. Um. You know. The best 0:31:52.560 --> 0:31:54.600 best thing he did for me on this book. People say, well, 0:31:54.880 --> 0:31:57.200 it's just an interview now, because I got my ideas. 0:31:57.320 --> 0:31:59.400 I don't need to interview. Hope, I've been I've been 0:31:59.720 --> 0:32:03.160 thinking about him for a decade. The most amazing thing 0:32:03.240 --> 0:32:05.800 he did for me was to allow me to quote 0:32:05.840 --> 0:32:09.520 from these lyrics so that I could stretch out and 0:32:09.680 --> 0:32:12.200 interpret him. Because you know, and most most publishers are 0:32:12.320 --> 0:32:17.440 very skittish, only do half a sentence. You got to 0:32:17.480 --> 0:32:21.360 pay for it copyright, We might get sued, And so 0:32:21.440 --> 0:32:23.880 I would reach out to my safe I say, man, 0:32:24.320 --> 0:32:29.840 I I can you help, can you get God forgive 0:32:29.920 --> 0:32:32.800 me for my BRANDT delivery. But I remember vividly what 0:32:33.000 --> 0:32:35.680 the did to me. Imagine me allowing you to nitpick 0:32:35.720 --> 0:32:37.720 and me portray me like a pickan me. So you know, 0:32:37.920 --> 0:32:41.400 and I had asked it him, could he could he 0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:43.720 give me permission? And he when he signed off, it 0:32:43.840 --> 0:32:46.120 blew my publisher's mind. But that's why even on the 0:32:46.200 --> 0:32:49.360 cover you see the lyrics to the old JA song 0:32:49.960 --> 0:32:52.600 emboss there. That's pretty dope cover. I must say I didn't. 0:32:52.680 --> 0:32:54.840 I didn't, I didn't do it, but it's a pretty 0:32:55.000 --> 0:32:58.040 nice cover. And we wanted to do something that was 0:32:58.400 --> 0:33:00.400 worthy of hoping on the inside you and see that 0:33:00.440 --> 0:33:04.920 boskiot influenced kind of artwork on the inside there, So 0:33:05.440 --> 0:33:08.200 you know he gave permission to do that, and that 0:33:08.520 --> 0:33:11.200 that makes a big difference. Why is the book dedicated 0:33:11.240 --> 0:33:14.840 to Michael Rubin and Robert Frederick Smith? Yeah, well you 0:33:14.920 --> 0:33:18.680 know both of them are interestingly enough, are connected to 0:33:18.800 --> 0:33:23.120 Jay on his criminal justice reform, you know, reform alliance. 0:33:24.000 --> 0:33:27.240 And you know Michael Rubin was instrumental in helping Meek 0:33:27.320 --> 0:33:29.160 Mill get out of jail. So for that alone, I 0:33:29.200 --> 0:33:32.280 gotta give you some love. Yeah, But then understanding that 0:33:32.400 --> 0:33:35.760 you got to leverage that to a larger issue that 0:33:35.920 --> 0:33:39.680 Jay is concerned about. Cash bales are jacked up, the 0:33:39.880 --> 0:33:42.440 kind of dysfunction of the criminal justice system that saw 0:33:42.520 --> 0:33:44.680 Meek Mill go in and out of prison for parole 0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:47.960 violations for a decade for some nonsense when he was 0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:52.040 a child or a young team or a teenager. And 0:33:52.240 --> 0:33:56.320 then you know, to address that as he used to 0:33:56.360 --> 0:34:01.239 call him owners but partners of the Philadelphia seventy six ers, 0:34:01.600 --> 0:34:03.760 is worthy of that in Robert Frederick Smith, when you 0:34:03.840 --> 0:34:05.680 go to the Moorhouse and drop forty mile on him 0:34:06.280 --> 0:34:08.120 and say, look, I will take care of your bills 0:34:09.160 --> 0:34:12.080 and your future is vouchsafed and it's secure as a 0:34:12.160 --> 0:34:15.080 result of what this gesture is about, I gotta show 0:34:15.160 --> 0:34:18.440 love and respect. So both of them are connected to 0:34:18.560 --> 0:34:21.560 that reform alliance, but both of them have done significant 0:34:21.640 --> 0:34:24.920 things to advance the ball in terms of advocating for 0:34:25.239 --> 0:34:27.520 the future of young black men in America and young 0:34:27.600 --> 0:34:29.920 black people. What what what? What is Jay Z gotten 0:34:30.120 --> 0:34:32.640 right in this whole NFL situation and what have you 0:34:32.680 --> 0:34:37.040 gotten wrong? Well, look, I think that you know, people say, oh, 0:34:37.120 --> 0:34:40.920 he's sold out, he just messed up. He first of all, 0:34:41.000 --> 0:34:45.040 he's rocking the Colin Kaepernick jersey, and then he turns 0:34:45.080 --> 0:34:47.560 around and he's and he's telling other artists not to 0:34:47.840 --> 0:34:50.040 be involved in the Super Bowl. And then he turns 0:34:50.080 --> 0:34:54.560 around and he's advising them, and he's cutting a deal. 0:34:55.560 --> 0:34:59.520 I think what people misunderstand is that you got to 0:34:59.640 --> 0:35:03.160 have a three point shooter, and you got to have baseline. 0:35:03.680 --> 0:35:06.080 You got to have Steph Curry, and you got to 0:35:06.160 --> 0:35:08.680 have Lebron going in and jamming the ball, and you 0:35:08.800 --> 0:35:12.560 got to have people occupying both spaces inside outside, Martin 0:35:12.680 --> 0:35:15.759 Viking Junior standing outside, I have a dream criticizing the 0:35:15.880 --> 0:35:20.440 social injustices that prevail. But then Martin Viking Junior going 0:35:20.600 --> 0:35:24.319 inside with Lyndon Baines Johnson the President and saying, how 0:35:24.360 --> 0:35:27.399 do we craft the Civil Rights Bill of nineteen sixty four? 0:35:27.520 --> 0:35:31.520 How do we craft legislation for the Voting Rights Act? Now, 0:35:31.560 --> 0:35:34.280 the Voting Rights Act is brought into existence not because 0:35:34.360 --> 0:35:37.640 of the good graces of the presidency or the desire 0:35:37.719 --> 0:35:40.520 even though LBJ wanted to do that, but he wanted 0:35:40.560 --> 0:35:43.360 to have a social condition that prevailed a political pressure 0:35:43.640 --> 0:35:46.400 brought to bear to make it sensible to do so. 0:35:46.920 --> 0:35:50.520 That's how things work. And so when jay Z is 0:35:50.560 --> 0:35:53.600 out putting pressure on the NFL, people don't give him 0:35:53.600 --> 0:35:56.879 credit for this. That the fact that he said, don't 0:35:56.920 --> 0:36:01.040 go do the Super bowls and halftime show. And look 0:36:01.080 --> 0:36:05.640 we in stadiums too, m we in stadiums too, that 0:36:05.800 --> 0:36:08.279 puts pressure. They didn't just do it because of the 0:36:08.320 --> 0:36:11.799 goodness of their hearts. They saw this man will significant 0:36:12.040 --> 0:36:16.040 economic influence and cultural power, and as a result of that, 0:36:16.200 --> 0:36:19.520 the pushback was genuine and palpable. So now they invite 0:36:19.600 --> 0:36:21.960 him in to have a conversation. What's these uses to go? No, 0:36:22.120 --> 0:36:23.680 I want you to do right. Oh, but I'm not 0:36:23.719 --> 0:36:25.799 gonna tell you what I think is right. Well, if 0:36:25.840 --> 0:36:27.719 I tell you what you're doing is wrong, and then 0:36:27.760 --> 0:36:30.400 you invite me into the conversation to say what's right, 0:36:30.480 --> 0:36:32.759 I gotta sit down and tell you. So for me, 0:36:33.360 --> 0:36:37.160 jay Z going inside is really responding to the pressure 0:36:37.200 --> 0:36:40.080 he brought to bear on the outside and sitting down 0:36:40.200 --> 0:36:42.200 talking about either the acts that are going on in 0:36:42.280 --> 0:36:45.200 halftime all right, but the social justice agenda. And do 0:36:45.360 --> 0:36:48.800 we really doubt that Colin Kaepernick, whatever you think of that, 0:36:49.600 --> 0:36:54.879 Colin Kaepernick, a bold, amazing, iconic social justice figure, would 0:36:55.000 --> 0:36:57.880 never have had an opportunity to even have what is 0:36:57.920 --> 0:37:01.840 now a botched you know, out in audition for the 0:37:02.000 --> 0:37:04.880 NFL without jay Z bringing pressure to bear. Now the 0:37:04.920 --> 0:37:08.120 people who were critical Jay said, well, damn you think 0:37:08.160 --> 0:37:10.160 at Leasy could have done. It's got my man a job. 0:37:10.440 --> 0:37:12.120 First of all, that any high work. Are you not 0:37:12.400 --> 0:37:15.680 understanding of how it works? Roger Goodell, who is the commissioner, 0:37:15.719 --> 0:37:17.480 can't even go to a team and make them do it. 0:37:17.680 --> 0:37:20.480 But can they leverage authority? Yeah? Can they say wink 0:37:20.560 --> 0:37:23.000 wink not and not come home? Bro, Let's do something 0:37:23.080 --> 0:37:25.640 for this guy. Jay Z is putting enormous pressure. You know, 0:37:25.719 --> 0:37:28.000 Roger Goodell, if he wanted to do that, he would 0:37:28.000 --> 0:37:29.839 have done so before jay Z came on the scene. 0:37:30.280 --> 0:37:33.160 So we know jay Z's presence was significant there. So 0:37:33.360 --> 0:37:37.440 for me, it's the inside versus outside dichotomy that we've 0:37:37.480 --> 0:37:40.120 got to reckon with and we got to stop the hate. 0:37:40.160 --> 0:37:42.560 If you disagree with me, then I'm a comb then 0:37:42.600 --> 0:37:44.600 I'm a sellout. I'm not saying that they are not 0:37:44.680 --> 0:37:46.840 people who have done dastardly things in the name of 0:37:46.960 --> 0:37:50.279 racial duty and who deserved to be called out or 0:37:50.320 --> 0:37:53.720 at least called to account, but the ready, ready resort 0:37:53.840 --> 0:37:56.360 to trying to beat people up. And you a cone 0:37:56.400 --> 0:37:58.759 and you you know what, you coon and somebody today, 0:37:58.760 --> 0:38:00.960 and you're gonna be coon the next day. You canceling 0:38:01.040 --> 0:38:03.520 somebody today, You're gonna get canceled yourself the next day. 0:38:03.760 --> 0:38:05.960 We got more with Michael Eric Dison where we come back, 0:38:06.040 --> 0:38:09.359 don't move. It's the Breakfast Club back, It's the Breakfast Club. 0:38:09.480 --> 0:38:12.279 DJ n v angel Ye Charlomagne the guy. We have 0:38:12.400 --> 0:38:14.239 Michael Eric Diyson in the building. What do you think 0:38:14.280 --> 0:38:17.320 about Stephen A. Smith's take on Colin Kaepernick not actually 0:38:18.480 --> 0:38:21.080 conforming with too what the NFL wanted him to do. Well, 0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:23.480 you know, I was on Look, Stephen A. Smith is 0:38:23.520 --> 0:38:26.960 a friend of mine. I'm friendly with Colin Kaepernick. I 0:38:27.400 --> 0:38:31.040 love and adore him, and I think, look, what Stephen A. 0:38:31.160 --> 0:38:35.440 Smith was trying to suggest is that in the context 0:38:35.920 --> 0:38:37.840 of what the NFL is, first of all, we know 0:38:38.000 --> 0:38:39.759 they messed up. We know they jacked up. We know 0:38:39.840 --> 0:38:41.480 they took a job from you that you shouldn't have 0:38:41.480 --> 0:38:44.719 had taken from you. You know this right. Anyway, that's 0:38:45.000 --> 0:38:47.759 not a mystery. The fact that Colin Kaepernick even as 0:38:47.800 --> 0:38:50.480 to be in this position is fundamentally unjust the fact 0:38:50.520 --> 0:38:52.240 that he is to be begging for something, not begging 0:38:52.320 --> 0:38:55.759 asking for something, an opportunity to show that he is 0:38:55.840 --> 0:38:58.880 capable of performing in an NFL when he didn't because 0:38:58.920 --> 0:39:01.800 of his own merit old to do that when because 0:39:01.880 --> 0:39:04.080 it wasn't his arm wasn't good, it wasn't that he 0:39:04.520 --> 0:39:06.960 not true enough, He had some troubles when he was starting, 0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:08.880 and he was benched in favor of somebody else and 0:39:08.960 --> 0:39:11.480 so on. That's all true. But the man still wills 0:39:11.520 --> 0:39:13.600 tremendous talent, and it is better than half the people 0:39:13.640 --> 0:39:15.800 starting right now, and certainly the people they go on 0:39:15.840 --> 0:39:18.319 the street and find and bring into the NFL, because 0:39:18.320 --> 0:39:21.520 their desk before a quarterback. So there's no question that 0:39:21.640 --> 0:39:25.520 the white supremacists outlooking mindset in worldview and feltonshonging in 0:39:25.600 --> 0:39:28.759 every other word you can generate of these owners that 0:39:28.960 --> 0:39:33.000 prevents them from understanding that their own bigotry and bias 0:39:33.440 --> 0:39:37.240 will keep Colin Kaepernick on the sidelines. Is a serious 0:39:37.400 --> 0:39:40.560 issue that cannot be dismissed. And this is the tradition. 0:39:41.120 --> 0:39:44.000 If I can say that that some black people, including 0:39:44.040 --> 0:39:47.239 Stephen A. Smith, come from, here's the position black people 0:39:47.360 --> 0:39:50.520 always against the eyes. It ain't never fair, Right, Martin 0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:53.560 LUs King Jr. Could forget a waiver on a contract 0:39:54.040 --> 0:39:56.319 forgetting that. I'm not saying that that's not important, right, 0:39:56.320 --> 0:39:59.400 because if the waiver being signed was to suggest that 0:39:59.560 --> 0:40:02.560 somehow you would you would surrender your right to be 0:40:02.680 --> 0:40:05.600 able to sue in the future or to accuse people 0:40:05.640 --> 0:40:08.359 of further collusion. Right, That's that's idiotic, and nobody trying 0:40:08.360 --> 0:40:12.520 to do that. But the broader issue is this pharaoh 0:40:12.640 --> 0:40:15.960 will never provide you a scholarship for freedom. Right. The 0:40:16.080 --> 0:40:19.160 people who are your enemies and your opponents will never 0:40:19.320 --> 0:40:22.880 grant you even the fair conditions for you to compete. 0:40:23.320 --> 0:40:26.520 But the best of our people have competed against the odds. 0:40:27.080 --> 0:40:30.399 Was it fair for Jackie Robinson to have to live 0:40:30.480 --> 0:40:34.480 the way he did? No? Was it right? No? Did 0:40:34.560 --> 0:40:38.160 he do it? Yes? Should we have to know? Should 0:40:38.200 --> 0:40:41.520 Colin Kaepernick have to exist by a kind of segregated 0:40:41.600 --> 0:40:44.440 Jim Crow law in the modern era in twenty nineteen, 0:40:44.520 --> 0:40:47.919 when we've had, you know, voting rights for black people 0:40:47.960 --> 0:40:51.560 in the South since nineteen sixty five. No? No, but 0:40:51.640 --> 0:40:54.320 his white supremacy is still real? Yes? Does it amplify 0:40:54.440 --> 0:40:58.200 within the cauldrons of you know, the NFL and American 0:40:58.239 --> 0:41:02.360 institutional culture and corporate cult. Absolutely. So the thing is 0:41:02.560 --> 0:41:04.600 knowing that going in the door, you don't never expect 0:41:04.640 --> 0:41:07.440 them to be fair. You demand, you request, but you 0:41:07.600 --> 0:41:09.680 go out there and show, you know what, even what 0:41:09.800 --> 0:41:14.279 your funky, foul, nefarious tricksterism, I'm gonna show you. I 0:41:14.360 --> 0:41:17.440 can toss this rock, I can chuck this pill, I 0:41:17.560 --> 0:41:19.879 can throw this pig skin, and I can do what's 0:41:19.960 --> 0:41:22.120 necessarily do. Put the burden back on them. And then 0:41:22.200 --> 0:41:23.920 if they don't hire you, even though we know now 0:41:24.000 --> 0:41:26.480 he still can play, they already know that if they 0:41:26.520 --> 0:41:30.440 don't hire you, that's on them. That's up to them. 0:41:30.719 --> 0:41:32.759 So I think there's a tradition of black response, and 0:41:32.800 --> 0:41:34.399 I know a lot of black people, Oh my god, 0:41:34.440 --> 0:41:36.279 this is the politics of respectability, and you're trying to 0:41:36.320 --> 0:41:38.880 prove that you're twice as good just to compete. I'm sorry, 0:41:39.040 --> 0:41:42.080 I'm sixty one years old. That's the generation I'm from, right, 0:41:42.320 --> 0:41:45.400 So my point is is that yes, there is a 0:41:45.560 --> 0:41:49.959 thing such as loving Colin Kaepernick, supporting Colin Kaepernick, wanting 0:41:50.040 --> 0:41:52.239 him to do the best in the right thing, and 0:41:52.440 --> 0:41:55.279 suggesting this, you could tighten up some of you some 0:41:55.440 --> 0:41:57.640 of your strategy too. You could there's a way in 0:41:57.719 --> 0:42:00.160 what you might approach this that might be different. This 0:42:00.280 --> 0:42:02.040 is not to put the burden on him like you 0:42:02.160 --> 0:42:05.279 do the right thing and then the NFL was let 0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:07.200 off the hook. No, but we know we're living in 0:42:07.239 --> 0:42:12.560 a white supremacist society where the patent unfairness and hypocrisy 0:42:12.960 --> 0:42:16.360 is pervasive. So knowing that going in the door, be 0:42:16.640 --> 0:42:20.320 armed to be able to compete and to deal with this. 0:42:20.680 --> 0:42:23.440 This is why, by the way, when Martin Luther King 0:42:23.600 --> 0:42:27.000 Junior and other figures in his brand to the movement 0:42:27.239 --> 0:42:31.759 were involved, they were rigorously trained. They were taught principles, 0:42:32.080 --> 0:42:34.640 they were talked about, They were taught about social injustice, 0:42:34.880 --> 0:42:38.920 how to deal with potential scenarios that would prevail, that 0:42:39.080 --> 0:42:41.320 allowed them to be able to do their best on 0:42:41.360 --> 0:42:43.640 the battlefield. I would tell you something, man, I agreewed 0:42:43.680 --> 0:42:45.600 a lot of what you said, most of it. And 0:42:45.680 --> 0:42:47.560 if I was capp and I would have thought that 0:42:47.680 --> 0:42:49.520 waiver what he was trying to get me to sign 0:42:49.600 --> 0:42:51.680 over my rights to, you know, not be able to 0:42:51.680 --> 0:42:53.640 sue the future. And if they would have gave me 0:42:53.680 --> 0:42:55.520 an ultimatum that said, hey, I don't know if this 0:42:55.560 --> 0:42:57.239 is true. I need to get ultimatum that I said, 0:42:57.320 --> 0:42:58.879 take it to leave it. You got two hours, right, 0:42:59.000 --> 0:43:02.520 I have said them. Of course, who wouldn't do that? 0:43:02.760 --> 0:43:05.160 So you wouldn't have held the other tryout. And if 0:43:05.160 --> 0:43:06.600 I did hold the other tribe, I would have only 0:43:06.719 --> 0:43:09.279 held it for attention. So when I got in front 0:43:09.280 --> 0:43:11.359 of them cameras, I put them on blast with that waiver. 0:43:11.640 --> 0:43:13.279 Well see that's the thing. See, here's the part of 0:43:13.320 --> 0:43:15.319 the problem. You know, the NFL is saying one thing 0:43:15.360 --> 0:43:17.160 about the waivers. They're swearing up and down. That's not 0:43:17.280 --> 0:43:21.400 what it is, right, it's being misrepresentative, of course, and 0:43:21.520 --> 0:43:23.239 cap side is saying something else. So we don't really 0:43:23.320 --> 0:43:25.600 know what they showed them. I saw an article yesterday 0:43:25.840 --> 0:43:29.080 where they showed the standard waiver and waver cap got. 0:43:29.239 --> 0:43:31.759 It was definitely more language than caps would well, no doubt. 0:43:31.840 --> 0:43:35.120 And in the bottom line is beyond the waiver, the 0:43:35.239 --> 0:43:37.400 man has been mistreated. Ain't nobody else getting subject to 0:43:37.440 --> 0:43:40.160 what he's being subjected. So it's criminal at that level, 0:43:40.360 --> 0:43:43.400 there's no question about that. But that's different from us 0:43:43.480 --> 0:43:46.279 than trying to figure out what is the strategic response? 0:43:46.760 --> 0:43:48.719 And we don't have to be sellouts because we say hey, 0:43:48.760 --> 0:43:50.279 there's a way in what you can do it is 0:43:50.360 --> 0:43:52.600 it is it wrong to say, hey, Cap, it might 0:43:52.680 --> 0:43:54.400 be good that when people trying to get at you 0:43:54.520 --> 0:43:57.080 who know stuff about this, you could respond to them. 0:43:57.760 --> 0:44:00.120 Right now. Let me give you an example. I love 0:44:00.160 --> 0:44:05.000 Colin Kaepernick. I was at the Tyler Perry event, you know, 0:44:05.680 --> 0:44:09.040 and when Beyonce thanked me for you know, showing love 0:44:09.200 --> 0:44:11.200 to them all the time. After that, I don't know 0:44:11.360 --> 0:44:15.359 really what happened. I'm just not sure if the time 0:44:15.440 --> 0:44:20.319 stopped moving, if the float of eternity had descended with uh, 0:44:20.680 --> 0:44:24.239 you know, powerful and poetic intensity, stop Hayden. So the 0:44:24.360 --> 0:44:27.840 thing is is that Kaepernick came up to me said, look, man, 0:44:27.840 --> 0:44:29.360 I'm have to straighten you out about what's going on. 0:44:29.440 --> 0:44:33.919 I said, cool, I'm available, right, I said, but Cap, 0:44:34.600 --> 0:44:39.080 I'll be texting you. You give me a text when 0:44:39.080 --> 0:44:41.560 you want me to be your pr guy to tell 0:44:41.640 --> 0:44:43.879 what's going on in the world, But when I'm trying 0:44:43.880 --> 0:44:46.200 to get at you, to interview you. I've defended Kaepernick 0:44:46.239 --> 0:44:48.319 in my last three books and tears. We cannot stop 0:44:48.360 --> 0:44:50.759 a sermon of White America and what truth sounds like? 0:44:51.280 --> 0:44:55.040 Uh J Robert F. Kennedy, James Baldwin in the Conversation 0:44:55.520 --> 0:44:58.239 Unfinished Conversation on Race in America, and now in this 0:44:58.320 --> 0:45:00.960 book on jay Z, I love and adore him. I 0:45:01.120 --> 0:45:04.160 admire him, but I think that there's a way in 0:45:04.239 --> 0:45:07.799 which we could talk honestly behind the scenes about things. Now. 0:45:07.840 --> 0:45:11.600 Ain't gotta be me and miss Nessa, a lovely, brilliant, 0:45:11.640 --> 0:45:14.680 wonderful woman's partner, you know, said Hey, I want to 0:45:14.719 --> 0:45:16.279 talk to you. I call both of them. Ain't got 0:45:16.360 --> 0:45:18.359 no response. Now, I'm not trying to put them on blast. 0:45:18.400 --> 0:45:20.800 That ain't my point, because you ain't gonna call Mikeelreg Dyson. 0:45:21.040 --> 0:45:23.040 But I'm saying, talk to people, and I hope you 0:45:23.160 --> 0:45:25.399 are in your community. But is it wrong to say 0:45:25.719 --> 0:45:30.160 we can talk off stage, off the phone, behind the scenes, 0:45:30.480 --> 0:45:33.040 so I could offer whatever I do. I kind of 0:45:33.080 --> 0:45:35.320 do this for a living. I've written twenty one books. 0:45:35.560 --> 0:45:37.800 I've been teaching for thirty years. I'm out here in 0:45:37.880 --> 0:45:40.680 these screets. I'm doing what I do. I'm saying I 0:45:40.800 --> 0:45:42.719 do have something, and people usually pay me a bunch 0:45:42.719 --> 0:45:44.680 of money for that. I'm trying to offer it to 0:45:44.760 --> 0:45:47.120 you for free. You ain't gonna take my advice. But 0:45:47.239 --> 0:45:50.440 I'm saying engage, but don't be upset. Then in the 0:45:50.560 --> 0:45:53.879 public sphere and square when I have to then talk 0:45:53.920 --> 0:45:59.040 about there could be alternatives to strategic intervention. Can't do it. 0:46:00.000 --> 0:46:01.879 It's hard for Colin. And that's where the trust people 0:46:01.960 --> 0:46:03.719 at this moment, I can understand what I get it, 0:46:03.800 --> 0:46:05.320 they get it. They get a lot of death threads, 0:46:05.760 --> 0:46:07.800 and especially I think this whole situation with jay Z, 0:46:07.920 --> 0:46:09.840 it just it divided the culture in a way that 0:46:09.880 --> 0:46:12.120 it shouldn't It shouldn't have it shouldn't have done too. 0:46:12.400 --> 0:46:15.840 At the same time, if you're telling, if you're challenging 0:46:15.960 --> 0:46:18.279 me about you want to straighten me out, and I 0:46:18.400 --> 0:46:20.400 call you to get straightened out, and you don't straighten 0:46:20.440 --> 0:46:22.960 me out, dog get in on me and listen here, 0:46:23.280 --> 0:46:25.120 that doesn't mean therefore because I didn't hear from you, 0:46:25.360 --> 0:46:28.040 I'm going to do. I'm gonna be principled in my 0:46:28.200 --> 0:46:30.480 response regardless. Yeah, it's going to speak on what you 0:46:30.600 --> 0:46:33.160 know from what you I'm gonna speak for what I believe, 0:46:33.320 --> 0:46:35.440 what I know, what I think, how I reflect the 0:46:35.600 --> 0:46:38.239 understanding of how this stuff is operated in the past, 0:46:38.520 --> 0:46:40.680 the ways in which leaders have clashed and disagreed. This 0:46:40.719 --> 0:46:43.080 ain't the first time. Cancer culture didn't invent it. It 0:46:43.200 --> 0:46:45.920 just amplifies it more. It makes it more immediate. We 0:46:46.000 --> 0:46:48.160 got more with Michael Eric Dison where we come back, 0:46:48.200 --> 0:46:50.400 don't move. It's to breakfast club the morning. You know, 0:46:50.440 --> 0:46:52.960 I don't want to ask you about but to well, Honestly, 0:46:52.960 --> 0:46:55.040 I wish Cap would just say the NFL, that's number one. 0:46:55.120 --> 0:46:56.960 Honest I wish you would just be like, but I 0:46:57.000 --> 0:46:58.839 don't want to play no more. I know, but look 0:46:58.880 --> 0:47:00.400 at you. If somebody did that to you and they say, 0:47:00.480 --> 0:47:02.839 I just wish Charlotte Magne would just say radio that's 0:47:02.880 --> 0:47:05.759 what he that's his life. I was. I wouldn't beg 0:47:07.000 --> 0:47:10.120 keep you starting the podcast is different than the whole league. Yeah, 0:47:10.600 --> 0:47:12.560 come on, I'm just saying, man, it comes a point 0:47:12.600 --> 0:47:15.440 in time where you have to have some integrity about yourself. 0:47:15.760 --> 0:47:18.560 He has and stop and stop kind of like knocking 0:47:18.600 --> 0:47:20.040 on these white people, dough when you know they don't 0:47:20.040 --> 0:47:21.360 want to let you in. Well, all of us a 0:47:21.440 --> 0:47:23.840 knocking on the white man's door. Oh you had to do? 0:47:24.160 --> 0:47:27.080 Is this a black on radio session? No, But I'm 0:47:27.080 --> 0:47:28.960 not knocking. No, but if then you ain't gonna knock. 0:47:28.960 --> 0:47:30.759 But if you but look how he said, Okay, they're 0:47:30.800 --> 0:47:34.200 coming to get you. You ain't gonna knock, but I'm 0:47:34.200 --> 0:47:35.920 gonna get you. All I'm simply saying is they was. 0:47:36.000 --> 0:47:39.080 If they kicked me out right for three years, that's theory. 0:47:39.360 --> 0:47:40.799 They kicked me out for three years, had no money, 0:47:40.840 --> 0:47:43.439 support your family, your wife, looking at you. He got money, 0:47:43.480 --> 0:47:47.200 though he got money. But I'm saying what he's passionate about. 0:47:47.239 --> 0:47:49.360 He grew up and this is his life. Like football. 0:47:49.400 --> 0:47:51.720 He wants to play in the NFL. Dude, he got skilled. 0:47:51.920 --> 0:47:54.520 He was doing the vicep but he is Kaepernick. He 0:47:54.640 --> 0:47:57.560 was one throw from winning the Super Bowl. This is 0:47:57.640 --> 0:47:59.680 what he's born to do. If somebody tells me, Dison, 0:47:59.680 --> 0:48:01.399 you can't speak, you can't teach, I'm gonna go teach 0:48:01.440 --> 0:48:04.920 on the side road somewhere that's cold. But why deny 0:48:05.080 --> 0:48:09.400 me a legitimate, legitimate opportunity to speak in a classroom 0:48:09.480 --> 0:48:12.160 that I've earned a degree for And the only reason 0:48:12.280 --> 0:48:15.360 I can't do it, to apply my wares and to 0:48:16.320 --> 0:48:20.600 practice my craft is because of some arbitrary, racist refusal 0:48:20.680 --> 0:48:23.359 to acknowledge me that that would go down real tough. 0:48:23.480 --> 0:48:25.240 I think what we're seeing right now is the suffering 0:48:25.320 --> 0:48:27.600 that comes from arguing with reality. Because I think Colin 0:48:27.680 --> 0:48:29.879 Kaefernick is bigger than football. I think he's I think 0:48:29.920 --> 0:48:31.920 he made. I think he stands for more than what 0:48:32.080 --> 0:48:33.919 football is, and it might be as great as a gift. 0:48:33.960 --> 0:48:35.960 That's what I'm saying. Sometimes you gotta pay attention to 0:48:36.040 --> 0:48:38.920 how God has pushed you in another direction, and especially 0:48:38.960 --> 0:48:40.600 after last week and they gave him that wave of 0:48:40.960 --> 0:48:43.239 that clearly shows they're still trying to collude against him 0:48:43.760 --> 0:48:45.480 by t how would have gave him the middle finger 0:48:45.520 --> 0:48:47.799 and been like, if y'all, if y'all Negro still watching 0:48:47.840 --> 0:48:50.480 the NFL, y'all really awesome? Sell up. Well, here's the thing. 0:48:50.760 --> 0:48:53.359 In the dark, the divine in the demonic feel the same. 0:48:54.600 --> 0:48:58.000 How you do this right? Right? Remember Jacob was wrestling 0:48:58.080 --> 0:49:00.839 with the angel and it said Jacob wrestled all night 0:49:00.960 --> 0:49:04.239 long until the morning. Why did he wrestle until the morning, 0:49:04.440 --> 0:49:07.759 Because sometimes in the dark, the devil and God feel 0:49:07.800 --> 0:49:10.480 the same. They do the same stuff. They push you, 0:49:10.880 --> 0:49:13.960 they irritate you, they make you mad. You don't know. 0:49:14.520 --> 0:49:17.080 So what you think is God could be evil, and 0:49:17.160 --> 0:49:19.640 what you think is evil could be God. Remember Joseph, 0:49:19.719 --> 0:49:22.960 with the Code of Many Colors, said you meant it 0:49:23.040 --> 0:49:26.400 for evil, but God meant it for good. But at 0:49:26.440 --> 0:49:29.240 the moment that you're the recipient of and the object 0:49:29.320 --> 0:49:32.719 of derision and scorn, that stuff is awful tough to take. 0:49:33.000 --> 0:49:35.080 It might be God's speaking, but it sounds like the 0:49:35.160 --> 0:49:38.120 devil's voice you here. So all of us have to 0:49:38.200 --> 0:49:41.719 struggle with what God's intent is for our lives. We 0:49:41.800 --> 0:49:45.320 don't know until later on. Maybe now he will understand, 0:49:45.719 --> 0:49:47.680 but that's not for me to say. So you've got 0:49:47.760 --> 0:49:49.800 to understand what your gift is, what your time is, 0:49:50.000 --> 0:49:52.719 what your opportunity is, and that's not for us to say. 0:49:52.960 --> 0:49:55.800 And so again I would hesitate to say to Colin Kaepernick, 0:49:56.120 --> 0:49:59.000 clearly your destiny is X, Y and Z, because the 0:49:59.160 --> 0:50:02.880 attempt and effort that he's making and being rejected in 0:50:03.000 --> 0:50:06.400 public is an object lesson for somebody to look. So 0:50:06.600 --> 0:50:09.800 maybe God's purpose is for us to see the public 0:50:09.920 --> 0:50:15.440 exposure of the shenanigans, the hypocrisy, and in the incredible 0:50:16.040 --> 0:50:19.399 manipulations that are going on, which are just as effective 0:50:20.239 --> 0:50:23.400 as him occupying a slot on an NFL team and 0:50:23.520 --> 0:50:25.680 doing what he's gonna do. We don't know, but we can't. 0:50:25.760 --> 0:50:27.600 We can't impose that. All we can do is derive 0:50:27.760 --> 0:50:30.880 meaning and benefit and advantage from what we see going on. 0:50:31.280 --> 0:50:33.600 And I would never presume to tell Colin Kaepernick what 0:50:33.640 --> 0:50:35.920 to do with his life. I support him with whatever 0:50:36.040 --> 0:50:38.840 he does. I just want us to be strategic in 0:50:38.960 --> 0:50:42.640 our assistance to him and our core operation with him 0:50:42.800 --> 0:50:45.440 and trying to figure out the best route to redemption 0:50:45.600 --> 0:50:48.719 in this moment, and no simple conversation about oh, you know, 0:50:49.040 --> 0:50:51.800 you're a sellout because you said this, and you're a 0:50:51.920 --> 0:50:54.120 sellout because you agree with this, and you're a sellout 0:50:54.120 --> 0:50:56.480 because you think he should have an alternative strategy, or 0:50:56.480 --> 0:50:59.120 you're a sellout because you might have some constructive criticism 0:50:59.320 --> 0:51:01.960 about what be being done. And if your goal is X, 0:51:02.080 --> 0:51:04.920 Y and Z, let me help you achieve it. That's healthy, 0:51:05.320 --> 0:51:07.440 that's beautiful. Now a lot of black people say, well, 0:51:07.480 --> 0:51:08.759 why can't we do it in public? When the last 0:51:08.760 --> 0:51:10.640 time you've been invited to a black meeting? What the 0:51:10.680 --> 0:51:13.120 hell is it? Where the hell is the black meeting? 0:51:13.239 --> 0:51:15.120 Is that the NAACP all Negros ain't a members of 0:51:15.160 --> 0:51:16.840 that is that the Urban League ain't members of That 0:51:16.960 --> 0:51:19.279 isn't a crackhouse everybody can't get in. So my point 0:51:19.400 --> 0:51:20.839 is it's a secret one a couple of weeks ago 0:51:22.239 --> 0:51:25.680 unless you know that I'm Yo Negro and I did 0:51:25.760 --> 0:51:31.680 not get invited, and we need and we need to 0:51:31.760 --> 0:51:35.439 have more of them. Well you know what we doin 0:51:35.680 --> 0:51:39.839 there ain't no black meet that's the point. They're black meetings, right. 0:51:40.239 --> 0:51:43.719 So the point is the mythology of the necessity for 0:51:44.000 --> 0:51:50.040 uniformity and unity among black people undercuts the vibrant diversity 0:51:50.120 --> 0:51:54.279 and the rambunctious complexity of our existence. What I mean, 0:51:55.160 --> 0:51:56.640 all of us ain't got to be on the same 0:51:56.719 --> 0:51:58.600 page and believe the same thing in order for us 0:51:58.680 --> 0:52:01.160 to understand that, we got to be in the communities 0:52:01.200 --> 0:52:04.120 that love and appreciate us and move forward, don't hate 0:52:04.160 --> 0:52:07.080 on nobody else. Right in the Bible, Paul said, Paul, 0:52:07.160 --> 0:52:09.279 and Silas and all in Timothy, Look, we got a part. 0:52:10.080 --> 0:52:12.400 You're on your path, I'm on mine. You don't like 0:52:12.520 --> 0:52:15.799 TD Jakes. Listen to Freddie Haynes. You don't like Freddy Haynes, right, 0:52:16.400 --> 0:52:20.279 listen to Damon Glenn fi Hunt. Come on, listen to 0:52:20.280 --> 0:52:23.239 mister f you don't like far Cup my brother in 0:52:23.480 --> 0:52:26.440 the way in which right, And let me tell you 0:52:26.440 --> 0:52:29.680 about Minnister fare Count. Now, mister fair hunt inboded me 0:52:30.440 --> 0:52:33.120 to um to his house. Right. This was years and 0:52:33.239 --> 0:52:34.600 years ago. I was like, well, damn, what I do? 0:52:34.920 --> 0:52:37.040 What I do? What I do? I said, because I 0:52:37.239 --> 0:52:38.920 said the first thing I said, Minnister fair Count. I 0:52:39.000 --> 0:52:41.239 have been very critical of you. I've been critical to 0:52:41.280 --> 0:52:44.360 you about what I perceived to be anti Semitic rhetoric. 0:52:44.680 --> 0:52:47.719 And I've been critical to you about the homophobia that 0:52:47.840 --> 0:52:50.239 I think is in your rhetoric. Right, I ain't gonna 0:52:50.239 --> 0:52:52.440 lie to him. I'm at his crib. I'm hoping this 0:52:52.520 --> 0:52:56.439 ain't the last time I'm gonna be saint. And he said, 0:52:56.600 --> 0:53:04.000 my brother, how can we love and engage each other 0:53:04.160 --> 0:53:08.360 if we do not in love correct each other. So 0:53:08.560 --> 0:53:14.239 if you share with me your particular perspective and i 0:53:14.760 --> 0:53:23.359 you mine, then we have the possibility of overcoming four 0:53:23.400 --> 0:53:27.600 hours four hours. Right, I got real differences, I got 0:53:27.680 --> 0:53:32.000 real critiques, but the possibility of opening up at least 0:53:32.040 --> 0:53:35.400 to talk about what those might mean, his critiques of me, 0:53:35.560 --> 0:53:38.680 my critiques of him, and together we figure out this 0:53:38.800 --> 0:53:41.919 ain't my community. That ain't your tribe. All your skin 0:53:42.000 --> 0:53:45.279 folk ain't your kin folk to me, jay Z. The 0:53:45.360 --> 0:53:48.160 reason I wrote this book, the reason I celebrate his 0:53:48.840 --> 0:53:51.240 you know, transition from hustler on the street to hustler 0:53:51.280 --> 0:53:54.480 in the corporate scene, The reason I celebrate his poetic genius, 0:53:54.719 --> 0:53:57.520 the reason I celebrate his politics. Jay Z didn't start 0:53:57.520 --> 0:54:01.480 in politics when he joined What What What What? Mama Right. 0:54:01.560 --> 0:54:03.239 He was talking on his records all the time, but 0:54:03.320 --> 0:54:06.319 he was combining. He knew on his first album. Oh, 0:54:06.400 --> 0:54:09.560 I gave him serious revelation and prophecy, and they ain't 0:54:09.560 --> 0:54:11.400 feeling it like that. The same way with nas right, 0:54:11.560 --> 0:54:13.960 So you gotta figure out. I gotta get my message 0:54:14.000 --> 0:54:16.920 through in a way when the rims in the system 0:54:17.000 --> 0:54:19.200 may not tell him. I got to quote Biggie, but 0:54:19.320 --> 0:54:21.680 then I got to get in Ben Lydden Ben happening 0:54:21.800 --> 0:54:25.120 in Manhattan right talking about the anthrax. He said, back then, 0:54:25.200 --> 0:54:27.040 back when the police was out, kind of the black man. 0:54:27.200 --> 0:54:30.840 He's snicking that, sneaking that in to some big pimping 0:54:31.239 --> 0:54:34.560 because he understands that you can't give medicine straight. You 0:54:34.640 --> 0:54:37.239 got to get the castor or with sugar. That's right right, 0:54:37.320 --> 0:54:39.960 you got to give the hard lesson with honey. So 0:54:40.160 --> 0:54:45.719 jay Z has brilliantly fused and merged the impost toward 0:54:45.800 --> 0:54:51.200 poetic genius and understanding the marketplace in an unparalleled fashion. 0:54:51.520 --> 0:54:55.000 And so this book celebrates that genius Hove is a 0:54:55.120 --> 0:54:59.320 great man. Not because his poetic conventiveness and rhetorical genius 0:54:59.680 --> 0:55:03.239 is so remarkable that it demands repeated listening. It does. 0:55:03.600 --> 0:55:05.600 He is a great man because he's been willing to 0:55:05.800 --> 0:55:09.799 grow and evolve and to tell the truth along the way. 0:55:10.120 --> 0:55:12.920 My man, Michael Leric Dyson, thank you so much for that. 0:55:13.120 --> 0:55:14.960 That's right, does it did have a copy of the 0:55:14.960 --> 0:55:18.440 book already, Yes, he does. It's out right now, make 0:55:18.480 --> 0:55:20.320 sure you go get it. Jay Z Made in America 0:55:20.360 --> 0:55:23.920 by Michael Eric Dyson. Appreciate you. My brother always kills you. 0:55:24.120 --> 0:55:39.440 It's a breakfast clum you get you are, don't I'm 0:55:39.440 --> 0:55:42.600 gonna fatten all that around your eye. This man two 0:55:42.760 --> 0:55:46.759 dog and blowers. Many wait with Charlemagne to make a 0:55:46.800 --> 0:55:48.800 judgment who was going to be on the donkey of 0:55:48.880 --> 0:55:53.080 the day. They chose you for the breakfast donkey of 0:55:53.120 --> 0:55:56.080 the day to day donkey of today. Go to a 0:55:56.160 --> 0:55:58.400 young woman named Ties you to Russia. Ties. It is 0:55:58.440 --> 0:56:00.640 twenty nine years old, and she's the great State of 0:56:00.680 --> 0:56:04.160 New Jersey dropping a close bumps in New Jersey. Dammit, Now, 0:56:04.239 --> 0:56:06.279 before we talk about Todger, let me ask y'all a 0:56:06.360 --> 0:56:08.920 question out there. When the last time you got stood up? 0:56:09.760 --> 0:56:11.600 When it's the last time you told someone you wanted 0:56:11.640 --> 0:56:13.960 to take them out and didn't show up? Huh? When 0:56:14.080 --> 0:56:15.839 is the last time you told someone to come over 0:56:16.160 --> 0:56:19.000 and you fell asleep on their ass? I have homeboys 0:56:19.080 --> 0:56:22.520 now who are not married, not in a committed relationship, 0:56:22.640 --> 0:56:25.319 not part of this faithful black male community, and they 0:56:25.440 --> 0:56:28.239 tell me stories like this all the time, especially when 0:56:28.280 --> 0:56:30.040 we out of time. All right, women come to the 0:56:30.120 --> 0:56:32.759 hotel and be downstairs in the lobby for hours because 0:56:32.840 --> 0:56:36.239 said individual has fallen asleep on their ass. Every time 0:56:36.320 --> 0:56:39.480 I hear stories like this, I feel for those women 0:56:39.760 --> 0:56:42.480 because to me, this is a different level of disrespect. Right. 0:56:42.520 --> 0:56:44.759 If a man calls you over and tells you that 0:56:44.840 --> 0:56:47.880 he fell asleep on you, he's an eight lying because 0:56:47.920 --> 0:56:49.680 he was going through his phone and decided to call 0:56:49.760 --> 0:56:52.120 a couple of different chicks, And whoever got there first 0:56:52.200 --> 0:56:54.280 is who he's with. Hinch why he is not answering 0:56:54.360 --> 0:56:57.480 for you or b you just don't excite him like that. Okay, 0:56:57.600 --> 0:56:59.759 you're not falling asleep on a woman you are really 0:57:00.000 --> 0:57:03.200 excited to see. In fact, that adrenaline rush you get 0:57:03.320 --> 0:57:06.000 from seeing a being around a woman you're into. It's 0:57:06.040 --> 0:57:08.200 gonna wake your ass up, all right, you got a 0:57:08.239 --> 0:57:10.480 woman coming over, you get excited. All right, you think 0:57:10.480 --> 0:57:12.440 you're gonna get some ass, So you gonna hop your 0:57:12.480 --> 0:57:14.960 ass in the shower, and that shower gonna wake you up. 0:57:15.000 --> 0:57:17.240 Then you're gonna lotion up, throw on some basketball shorts 0:57:17.280 --> 0:57:19.880 in the fresh T shirt, spray some cologne on, roll 0:57:20.000 --> 0:57:22.240 up something smoke, paul you a glass or something, and 0:57:22.360 --> 0:57:26.760 waiting for the young lady you called over to arrive. Okay, 0:57:27.240 --> 0:57:31.480 I fell asleep. You fell asleep. How boring was your 0:57:31.560 --> 0:57:34.120 box that the thought of you coming over puts a 0:57:34.160 --> 0:57:36.720 man to sleep? All right? So yes, ladies, you should 0:57:36.760 --> 0:57:39.320 feel extremely disrespected when you come to see a man 0:57:39.520 --> 0:57:41.480 and he tells you I fell asleep. That you wouldn'teel 0:57:41.520 --> 0:57:43.520 disrespected to eat that happened to you. Yeah, I'd be 0:57:43.520 --> 0:57:45.560 annoyed that I came out of my way. Then that's 0:57:45.600 --> 0:57:48.480 exactly what happened to Taja and Russell? Now? According to 0:57:48.520 --> 0:57:50.840 the New York Daily News, Taga was the side chick 0:57:51.360 --> 0:57:53.880 all right, that's the New York Daily News words, not mine, 0:57:53.920 --> 0:57:56.880 all right. Tiger was this young man she was visiting 0:57:57.000 --> 0:57:59.439 side chicken. The young man told authorities that he asked 0:57:59.480 --> 0:58:02.880 Russell to his house for sex, but he fell asleep 0:58:03.200 --> 0:58:06.919 before she arrived. Disrespectful. When Tiger got to the man's house, 0:58:06.960 --> 0:58:11.120 she called him eight times, eight times, but he didn't 0:58:11.160 --> 0:58:14.960 pick up. After eight phone calls, she allegedly text the man, 0:58:15.840 --> 0:58:20.680 I see you want to die, followed by you wasted 0:58:20.760 --> 0:58:23.040 my money to come out of hire. And then around 0:58:23.120 --> 0:58:26.600 four am, security camera saw Maga knocking on this young 0:58:26.680 --> 0:58:30.320 man's door and he still didn't answer. Ladies, when this 0:58:30.560 --> 0:58:32.920 is over, rewind and listen to what I said about 0:58:32.920 --> 0:58:36.000 a man disrespecting you. The level of disrespect this young 0:58:36.080 --> 0:58:39.400 woman TiSER received. It's four in the morning. You got 0:58:39.480 --> 0:58:42.160 there and called eight times, You're knocked on his door 0:58:42.280 --> 0:58:44.360 and he eggetting the hell out of you not to 0:58:44.480 --> 0:58:47.640 mention you already his side chick. What else is there 0:58:47.760 --> 0:58:51.320 to do, especially after you sent him that I see 0:58:51.640 --> 0:58:55.200 you want to die? Texts well, you gotta attempt to 0:58:55.240 --> 0:58:57.200 kill him. Let's go to News twelve New Jersey to 0:58:57.240 --> 0:58:59.520 see how tire and Russell hands in this situation. A 0:58:59.640 --> 0:59:02.240 woman accused of setting a man's home on fire after 0:59:02.360 --> 0:59:06.160 she was invited over for a late night rendezvous. Police 0:59:06.200 --> 0:59:09.480 say the small twenty nine year olds Hesia Russell, went 0:59:09.520 --> 0:59:12.000 to the home on Barbara Avenue, North Jersey. Dot Com 0:59:12.160 --> 0:59:14.960 reports the man fell asleep did not answer the door. 0:59:15.440 --> 0:59:18.080 They say that's when Russell set the home on fire. 0:59:18.520 --> 0:59:20.760 The man was taken to the hospital with burns and 0:59:20.840 --> 0:59:23.600 smoking elation. Todger was determined to have a hot date. 0:59:23.920 --> 0:59:25.640 All right, Remember when I told you that if a 0:59:25.680 --> 0:59:27.720 man falls asleep on you before you get there, that 0:59:27.800 --> 0:59:29.720 means the thought of your poom poom makes them sleepy. 0:59:30.040 --> 0:59:32.120 You out there giving out that boring ass box. Well, 0:59:32.160 --> 0:59:34.480 I think Todger realized that in her mind, and she 0:59:34.640 --> 0:59:36.880 was not leaving that house that night without the word 0:59:37.040 --> 0:59:39.640 fire coming out of that man's mouth. She wanted that 0:59:39.720 --> 0:59:41.840 worry to be used to describe her vagina, but she 0:59:41.880 --> 0:59:44.400 didn't get that opportunity, so she decided to set his 0:59:44.600 --> 0:59:47.800 crib ablaze. Okay, I'm gonna be honest with you other 0:59:47.880 --> 0:59:50.439 than her having an arson charge and an attempted murder 0:59:50.560 --> 0:59:53.560 charge and being held without bail. I kind of feel him, 0:59:53.840 --> 0:59:56.520 all right. See, let's just be a lesson to you fools, 0:59:57.040 --> 0:59:59.320 all right. Stop standing women up like that after you 0:59:59.400 --> 1:00:02.919 didn't waste the their time, energy and money that comes 1:00:02.960 --> 1:00:06.080 see you. All right, it's disrespectful and just not right. 1:00:06.360 --> 1:00:09.160 But ladies, don't be like Taja. When a man doesn't 1:00:09.280 --> 1:00:13.120 value you, doesn't appreciate you, stands you up. Don't do 1:00:13.280 --> 1:00:16.200 what Tija did, even though it hurts not to react, 1:00:16.560 --> 1:00:18.800 all right, don't do what Taija did. Yeah, I know 1:00:18.920 --> 1:00:21.320 you really want to work this out, but I don't 1:00:21.360 --> 1:00:23.960 think this man is ever gonna change all right when 1:00:24.000 --> 1:00:25.960 you do, but they don't. I just think it's best 1:00:26.000 --> 1:00:28.560 you go your separate ways, all right. Sometimes you have 1:00:28.640 --> 1:00:31.440 to ask yourself, why should I stay in this relationship 1:00:31.920 --> 1:00:35.680 when you're hurting, baby, you ain't happy baby. Let's there's 1:00:35.720 --> 1:00:37.440 just so many other things you gotta deal with, So 1:00:37.600 --> 1:00:41.760 I just think that you should let it burn, all right. 1:00:42.440 --> 1:00:44.640 Please let me remond. Give Tiger Russell the biggest he 1:00:44.760 --> 1:00:49.480 hall he ha he ha, he's stupid. Volume I might 1:00:49.560 --> 1:00:53.240 put something on our books. I might might just put 1:00:53.520 --> 1:00:56.600 bars eminems or something, some peanut eminems or something. My goodness, 1:00:56.720 --> 1:00:59.400 I feel our pain a little bit. All right, well, 1:00:59.520 --> 1:01:02.240 thank you for that donkey today now very literal and 1:01:02.280 --> 1:01:05.640 true to her words. What would get for having her hot? 1:01:05.760 --> 1:01:07.280 I thought at four in the morning. All right, we 1:01:07.360 --> 1:01:10.160 got more coming up next with a breakfast club, the 1:01:10.400 --> 1:01:17.080 breakfast club e j envy angela ye Charlemagne the god. 1:01:17.200 --> 1:01:19.200 We are the breakfast Club. We have a special guest 1:01:19.280 --> 1:01:24.040 in the belt, Miss Tina Lifford. Welcome, good morning, Welcome, 1:01:24.080 --> 1:01:26.160 I'm blessed black and Holly favorite. How you know that's 1:01:26.200 --> 1:01:29.440 the truth. That's right me too. You got a book out, 1:01:29.440 --> 1:01:32.919 the Little Book of Lies, a little book of big lies? 1:01:33.240 --> 1:01:35.880 What was a big lie? Big lie is anything that 1:01:36.040 --> 1:01:38.920 has ever happened in your in your life that has 1:01:39.000 --> 1:01:41.920 left you feeling less than, not good enough or incapable. 1:01:42.160 --> 1:01:45.080 Oh so, basically like the traumas that you've dealt with, 1:01:45.520 --> 1:01:49.800 traumas you know that teacher that said something true to you. 1:01:50.680 --> 1:01:56.600 Hold on to that experience of seeing something that traumatized 1:01:56.640 --> 1:01:59.680 you like my father did. Whatever it is that stold 1:01:59.680 --> 1:02:01.880 your power is a lie, that co work that talks 1:02:01.920 --> 1:02:04.160 about you all the time, A lies about you. Say 1:02:04.200 --> 1:02:06.160 it again. Now you heard me, I said that coworker 1:02:07.800 --> 1:02:12.640 lies about absolutely. Well, if in fact that lie actually 1:02:12.760 --> 1:02:16.120 steals your power, then it is a lie. If it 1:02:16.240 --> 1:02:19.640 doesn't steal your power, then it's just noise. Okay, Like 1:02:20.000 --> 1:02:22.480 people we were talking about the term by ugly when 1:02:22.520 --> 1:02:24.840 people say by ugly, and I've been getting that my 1:02:24.960 --> 1:02:27.439 whole life, but I didn't realize it was a bad 1:02:27.640 --> 1:02:31.080 term until this morning. And isn't that good? You know, 1:02:31.400 --> 1:02:35.600 because if you didn't internalize its power, then then it 1:02:35.720 --> 1:02:38.680 had no power over right. But when those events happen 1:02:38.840 --> 1:02:41.960 in our lives and they wind up being stuck in 1:02:42.280 --> 1:02:47.400 our emotional system and now they begin to shape how 1:02:47.480 --> 1:02:51.680 we see and experience ourselves and others, that's a lie. 1:02:51.720 --> 1:02:54.040 And it's a lie that we need to take our 1:02:54.120 --> 1:02:56.680 power back. So you've said in this book that emotional 1:02:56.760 --> 1:02:59.800 pain and frustration that we have that comes from these 1:03:00.000 --> 1:03:01.840 guys that we've been told a lot of times. When 1:03:01.880 --> 1:03:04.760 we have these chronic issues that we're dealing with, it's 1:03:04.800 --> 1:03:07.960 because something that somebody said to us has really stuck 1:03:08.000 --> 1:03:10.480 with us and we've internalized, we have internalized. Do you 1:03:10.600 --> 1:03:15.080 use that pain sometimes and you're acting. Oh my goodness, gracious, yes, 1:03:15.360 --> 1:03:19.080 I mean I think that one of the best parts 1:03:19.160 --> 1:03:23.960 of being an actor is that the profession requires that 1:03:24.200 --> 1:03:29.640 you explore your internal experiences and be able to access them. 1:03:30.160 --> 1:03:34.400 And so being able to touch pain and old pain 1:03:34.760 --> 1:03:37.520 is what a lot of people call the method act 1:03:38.760 --> 1:03:44.000 method process. I don't do that. I so love the 1:03:44.200 --> 1:03:48.640 human condition. I so understand that we are all the 1:03:48.960 --> 1:03:51.800 same on the outside. We got a lot of different 1:03:51.880 --> 1:03:55.120 details going on, but on the inside, when it comes 1:03:55.200 --> 1:03:59.320 to the emotional part of us, were the exact same. 1:04:00.120 --> 1:04:05.280 If in fact, something hurts you, then that hurt becomes 1:04:05.680 --> 1:04:09.160 a part of our experience. It loops in our lives 1:04:09.600 --> 1:04:13.960 until we actively go in and address it. And so 1:04:14.680 --> 1:04:18.800 it's really easy for me to as an actress, tap 1:04:19.000 --> 1:04:23.760 into emotional pain because I know what it is right 1:04:24.120 --> 1:04:26.640 and I don't have to bring up, you know, something 1:04:26.800 --> 1:04:30.080 from my past. I just know if I'm living the 1:04:30.280 --> 1:04:34.120 life of the character in front of me, then that 1:04:34.480 --> 1:04:37.960 character is at an emotional place that I know. I've 1:04:38.000 --> 1:04:41.520 been there, We've all been there. Everybody could be an actor. 1:04:42.040 --> 1:04:47.200 If you can accept and relate to and own your 1:04:47.440 --> 1:04:51.280 emotional experience, Now you dedicated this book to your brother. YEA, 1:04:51.520 --> 1:04:54.040 let's talk about that. Ye what happened to your brother? 1:04:54.480 --> 1:04:59.520 So let's start with the fact that my brother started 1:04:59.600 --> 1:05:03.000 smoke can Read when he was maybe eleven years old. 1:05:03.080 --> 1:05:06.160 And I know this after the fact, right, But he 1:05:06.480 --> 1:05:11.280 died at fifty from a drug overdose, two weeks out 1:05:11.400 --> 1:05:15.920 of rehab. And the reason the book is dedicated to 1:05:16.080 --> 1:05:21.280 my brother is because he truly was one of the 1:05:21.520 --> 1:05:25.760 best people that I know, but he was sensitive in 1:05:25.880 --> 1:05:31.080 a way that wasn't good in this world, particularly when 1:05:31.200 --> 1:05:35.120 he also had the challenge of being of not being 1:05:35.160 --> 1:05:38.400 able to read. And at that time, they didn't know 1:05:38.760 --> 1:05:42.360 that it was dyslexic, that he was dyslexic, right, So 1:05:43.160 --> 1:05:46.960 you go from the early experiences of not being like 1:05:47.120 --> 1:05:50.880 the other kids, and then my father also could not 1:05:51.080 --> 1:05:55.400 read and that was not something that my father dealt 1:05:55.640 --> 1:05:59.240 with appropriately where my brother was concerned. So my brother 1:05:59.320 --> 1:06:02.800 had no rules, right, and my father was able to 1:06:03.080 --> 1:06:07.280 power through where my brother couldn't. And I think that 1:06:07.440 --> 1:06:10.880 my brother and my father, and I'll say this without 1:06:11.200 --> 1:06:15.760 any sense of protection, I think that my father was 1:06:15.960 --> 1:06:20.080 hard on my brother because he was making him ready 1:06:20.160 --> 1:06:24.480 for the world. But he was hard on a child 1:06:25.120 --> 1:06:29.760 that was more sensitive than he was, and so that 1:06:30.040 --> 1:06:35.760 child needed a different level of interaction and care. Oh 1:06:36.160 --> 1:06:39.760 that's powerful. The reason that's so powerful is because as men, 1:06:39.920 --> 1:06:42.160 we have issues with our father and the way they 1:06:42.240 --> 1:06:44.400 may have been tough on us, the way they may 1:06:44.400 --> 1:06:46.680 have discipline us, Because as you grow older, you realize 1:06:46.880 --> 1:06:48.600 it was kind of just doing the best they could. 1:06:48.760 --> 1:06:51.560 He was teaching based off the experiences that he'd been doing, 1:06:51.640 --> 1:06:57.320 what he had learned, and his limited knowledge of himself 1:06:57.760 --> 1:07:02.000 and his way of navigating the world right, which really, 1:07:02.560 --> 1:07:07.080 you know, if you if you are projecting your way 1:07:07.240 --> 1:07:11.920 of navigating the world onto someone else and you're not 1:07:12.120 --> 1:07:17.640 taking time to actually know that person, you might very 1:07:17.720 --> 1:07:23.040 well be running over the very essence of another human beings. Yeah, 1:07:23.160 --> 1:07:26.560 you know, trying to help them be like you, right, 1:07:26.600 --> 1:07:29.320 Because we always talk about kids and they'll say, oh, kids, 1:07:29.320 --> 1:07:32.440 they're too sensitive nowadays, But all kids have different levels 1:07:32.760 --> 1:07:37.200 our sensitivity. Absolutely, we all need to slow down and 1:07:38.200 --> 1:07:41.520 really connect with the person in front of us. And 1:07:41.680 --> 1:07:45.400 the reason we don't do that is that we are 1:07:45.640 --> 1:07:51.919 afraid that we don't want to challenge our own mindset 1:07:52.080 --> 1:07:56.440 and beliefs, and so we need everyone to agree that 1:07:56.600 --> 1:07:59.320 the way in which we see it is the way 1:07:59.360 --> 1:08:03.760 in which it is and is correct, and to challenge 1:08:04.040 --> 1:08:09.480 our beliefs is to put us in a place of discomfort, 1:08:09.920 --> 1:08:12.920 because if I don't know what I know, then how 1:08:13.000 --> 1:08:15.440 do I survive? How do you feel about marijuana now? 1:08:15.480 --> 1:08:18.120 Because you mentioned marijuana and your brother started smoking at eleven, 1:08:18.479 --> 1:08:21.160 so many different states of legalizing it, but obviously for 1:08:21.240 --> 1:08:23.599 your brother could have been a gateway drug to something stronger. 1:08:23.640 --> 1:08:26.160 How do you feel about marijuana use. Marijuana was not 1:08:26.360 --> 1:08:31.160 my brother's gateway. Payne was his gateway. Oh right. I 1:08:31.320 --> 1:08:38.360 think that the challenge with any drug use, even recreational 1:08:38.520 --> 1:08:42.519 drug use, is that if we don't know ourselves well enough, 1:08:43.040 --> 1:08:46.200 then it is very easy for a substance to step 1:08:46.360 --> 1:08:52.640 in and help calm the disease that is inside of us, 1:08:53.200 --> 1:08:56.320 when what we really should be doing is finding more 1:08:56.360 --> 1:09:01.240 effective ways to calm that disease. Take care of yourself, 1:09:01.520 --> 1:09:07.200 connect with yourself, be able to be with yourself. Then 1:09:07.600 --> 1:09:12.400 you won't need the substances to make it okay to 1:09:12.560 --> 1:09:18.400 just be here. We have more of our conversation with 1:09:18.479 --> 1:09:21.160 author and star of Queen Sugar, Tina Lifford coming up next, 1:09:21.520 --> 1:09:27.880 it's the Breakfast Club wanting everybody is DJ Envy, Angela Yee, 1:09:28.000 --> 1:09:30.040 Charlomagne the guy. We are to Breakfast Club now if 1:09:30.040 --> 1:09:31.920 you just join us. We were talking about Little Wayne's daughter, 1:09:32.360 --> 1:09:38.800 Yestayne Antoya Rice daughter, and she went to this cucumber 1:09:38.840 --> 1:09:43.240 pool party and she previously had been really not excited 1:09:43.240 --> 1:09:45.519 about these women doing this cucumber challenge, so people were 1:09:45.760 --> 1:09:48.439 getting at her for being at the party, but she said, Okay, guys, 1:09:48.479 --> 1:09:50.439 I want to say this. I went to the party 1:09:50.520 --> 1:09:53.080 to spy on wife and Lucci females. Don't act like 1:09:53.160 --> 1:09:54.800 you never did it. But when I heard about the 1:09:54.840 --> 1:09:57.719 cucumber activities, I left. To be honest, I made myself 1:09:57.800 --> 1:09:59.920 look like a fool for this man, and I apologize 1:10:00.040 --> 1:10:02.160 for allowing you guys to see it. I'm young and 1:10:02.280 --> 1:10:04.920 still learning. Now, have you ever spot on your man before? 1:10:05.000 --> 1:10:08.600 You have? I ever did a pop up if you 1:10:08.640 --> 1:10:10.200 want to call it, Yeah, you know I've done a 1:10:10.200 --> 1:10:12.000 pop up. I don't trying to think if I've ever 1:10:12.080 --> 1:10:14.280 gone to a party, but I've definitely popped up at 1:10:14.320 --> 1:10:16.200 his house. I did that a couple of times. One 1:10:16.200 --> 1:10:18.559 time I actually climbed through the window that's a real 1:10:18.640 --> 1:10:21.840 pop up. And that's because I knew something was going on. 1:10:22.080 --> 1:10:24.000 And sometimes even though we know things, we want to 1:10:24.000 --> 1:10:25.720 see it with our own eyes. I don't know why, 1:10:26.400 --> 1:10:28.000 but I guess that was really the end of it 1:10:28.160 --> 1:10:30.080 for me, to be able to see somebody doing something 1:10:30.320 --> 1:10:32.599 with my own eyes. Yeah, I've done it once to twice, 1:10:32.680 --> 1:10:36.680 Charlemagne always. I grew up a very insecure young man too. 1:10:36.800 --> 1:10:38.360 And when you are the type of person like me 1:10:38.439 --> 1:10:40.559 who was cheating on my woman and made me feel guilty, 1:10:40.680 --> 1:10:42.880 so that on top of my insecurity, I thought she 1:10:43.000 --> 1:10:45.040 was doing dirt when she wasn't. So, yes, I popped 1:10:45.080 --> 1:10:48.759 up at jobs. I've popped up at dorms ipped the class, 1:10:48.760 --> 1:10:50.720 went to apartments. I popped u the class, well, my 1:10:50.760 --> 1:10:52.560 motorcycle right to a class. Well, well you think she 1:10:52.680 --> 1:10:54.600 was doing in class? I don't know. I don't know. 1:10:54.640 --> 1:10:56.120 You just want to see. Maybe she passed in a note, 1:10:56.160 --> 1:10:58.200 Maybe she holding her hands like as a guy. As 1:10:58.200 --> 1:11:00.720 a guy when a guy is already doing hurt, like 1:11:01.040 --> 1:11:03.680 you automatically think your woman is just like you know, 1:11:04.080 --> 1:11:06.200 sucking everywhere. You know what I'm saying, Like, even if 1:11:06.240 --> 1:11:08.679 she's not like any you can go down anytime any place. 1:11:09.000 --> 1:11:12.439 So yes, definitely had guys pop up on me. Was 1:11:12.479 --> 1:11:15.800 at parties and listen, I'll leave a party if somebody 1:11:15.840 --> 1:11:17.439 trying to pop up on me, I slide out and 1:11:17.520 --> 1:11:19.880 be like, this is ridiculous. Are you pop up? Like? 1:11:19.960 --> 1:11:21.760 You know, like I say, like say, like, you know, 1:11:21.920 --> 1:11:24.000 my wife was in college. They used to be party 1:11:24.040 --> 1:11:26.120 in at this place called five points five pence puts. 1:11:26.160 --> 1:11:27.880 All the college kids used to go on Thursday night. 1:11:28.120 --> 1:11:29.880 I mean, anybody could go hang out there, but that 1:11:29.960 --> 1:11:32.439 wasn't really my scene. But you just pop up at 1:11:32.479 --> 1:11:34.479 a random place, like what are you doing here? Like, 1:11:35.040 --> 1:11:37.720 you know, you just just be in Charlotte Ruce while 1:11:37.800 --> 1:11:39.559 she in there, like why are you in Charlotte Ruce? 1:11:40.280 --> 1:11:44.240 Just doing a little shot? It's a clothing herself. But 1:11:44.360 --> 1:11:46.479 you know, you just you just pop up in random places. 1:11:46.479 --> 1:11:48.120 You ain't got no business being. Why are you at 1:11:48.160 --> 1:11:49.880 my old b g y n Oh? I don't know. 1:11:49.960 --> 1:11:54.400 I just say nothing, Hello, who's this? Hello? My name 1:11:54.600 --> 1:11:57.800 is jazz Man. How are you going? Jazzmine? Queen of 1:11:57.840 --> 1:11:59.760 the pop up Jasmine is way too loud to be 1:12:00.000 --> 1:12:03.280 popping up on somebody. No, definitely popped up on that 1:12:03.360 --> 1:12:06.599 as but uh, let me tell y'all. Let me tell y'all, 1:12:06.640 --> 1:12:08.400 I'm really gonn pop up queen. Though, let me say 1:12:08.680 --> 1:12:10.840 I had a tracker on my on my every daddy 1:12:10.880 --> 1:12:13.479 car for like three years and he never knew it. Wow, 1:12:13.920 --> 1:12:16.040 he was like, damgn't like thinking that his friends had 1:12:16.080 --> 1:12:18.519 thrown them and everything like that. But really he had 1:12:18.600 --> 1:12:21.160 no idea that I was just like tracking that ass 1:12:21.200 --> 1:12:22.800 so all day every day. I don't know how he 1:12:22.800 --> 1:12:24.559 couldn't figure that out when you were just showing up 1:12:24.560 --> 1:12:27.439 play put a track on somebody's call. Clearly they do 1:12:27.760 --> 1:12:30.880 jos when you're crazy, crazy as hell, don't play with me, 1:12:31.280 --> 1:12:35.600 And you did that for three years. He never knew though, right, 1:12:35.680 --> 1:12:38.200 he never knew so listening, Like one time he went 1:12:38.240 --> 1:12:39.800 out to eat with this girl, like I said in 1:12:39.880 --> 1:12:42.320 the parking Jobs, I got him eat it everything. They 1:12:42.439 --> 1:12:44.360 went back to his apartment, you know what I'm saying, 1:12:44.400 --> 1:12:46.639 Like I'm just just following him, and he was like, okay, 1:12:46.960 --> 1:12:49.840 so he kee, So I just you know, I just 1:12:49.920 --> 1:12:52.280 walked up to the apartment, knocked on the door. They 1:12:52.720 --> 1:12:54.439 turned off the lights and stuff, try to hide him 1:12:54.439 --> 1:12:57.760 stuff and the texting the girls phone, like like he 1:12:57.800 --> 1:12:59.640 got five minutes to come outside on coming in that 1:12:59.760 --> 1:13:04.560 thing and like they scattered up. That as crazy that 1:13:04.680 --> 1:13:07.040 for three years he wasn't scared enough to stop doing 1:13:07.080 --> 1:13:10.320 the stuff he was doing. Sharing. Yes, you ever popped 1:13:10.360 --> 1:13:13.280 upon an ex or man or your man? You know what? No, 1:13:13.600 --> 1:13:15.680 because there's something that's going on. I don't want to 1:13:15.760 --> 1:13:18.040 know about it. You're get in trouble when you go 1:13:18.160 --> 1:13:21.360 looking for trouble. But here's my story. So I found 1:13:21.400 --> 1:13:24.400 out that my soon to be ex husband um put 1:13:24.520 --> 1:13:27.560 his cell phone in my car. So one day on 1:13:27.760 --> 1:13:29.560 part and all of a sudden, I just hear this 1:13:29.720 --> 1:13:31.720 music out of the blue, and I'm like, what is that? 1:13:32.000 --> 1:13:34.479 So I looked at my that feat and he shoved 1:13:34.520 --> 1:13:37.600 his cell phone in between my back seat so he 1:13:37.640 --> 1:13:40.559 could track me. So he didn't have his cell phone 1:13:40.560 --> 1:13:45.800 on him, he just left it him. Yeah exactly. He 1:13:45.880 --> 1:13:48.640 said he had a second form dang while he had 1:13:48.640 --> 1:13:51.439 to charge that every day. That's why did he not 1:13:51.560 --> 1:13:53.800 trust you? Was there a reason or he just h 1:13:53.840 --> 1:14:00.960 his insecurities? M M all right exactly. DeAngelo. Oh you 1:14:01.040 --> 1:14:04.160 propped upon your wife? Man? Oh yeah, oh yeah, good morning, 1:14:04.200 --> 1:14:06.720 by the way, good morning. He's like, good morning, Cristal all, 1:14:07.120 --> 1:14:11.240 I'm not crazy. What you do the uh angling? Well, yeah, 1:14:11.280 --> 1:14:13.400 I responded to what she did. She wasn't out, and 1:14:13.479 --> 1:14:16.639 I didn't want her to go out, so I got 1:14:16.720 --> 1:14:18.720 my daughter in the truck, put my dog yet the 1:14:18.760 --> 1:14:21.439 truck and pulled up at the club on called her 1:14:21.560 --> 1:14:24.120 in line. But at the thing it was, I knew 1:14:24.200 --> 1:14:26.200 that I brought my dog with him because I felt 1:14:26.240 --> 1:14:27.920 like I was gonna have to go into the club. 1:14:28.600 --> 1:14:30.840 But I didn't have to go in the club, thank god. 1:14:30.920 --> 1:14:33.840 But I got out cause a little thing in the line. 1:14:33.880 --> 1:14:35.639 Got her in the truck and then we pulled off. 1:14:36.800 --> 1:14:38.960 You brought your dog, can't get out of the car 1:14:39.200 --> 1:14:41.400 and your daughter and me while I'm yelling at huh. 1:14:41.920 --> 1:14:43.800 So you was gonna bring your dog and daughter in 1:14:43.840 --> 1:14:45.800 the club to final Now I was gonna be the 1:14:45.920 --> 1:14:48.160 dog and the daughter in the car while I was 1:14:48.200 --> 1:14:50.960 in the club. How old is your daughter? Oh? She 1:14:51.080 --> 1:14:54.400 was a baby, baby? Then the baby. So you're about 1:14:54.400 --> 1:14:56.720 to go to jail. You're about to go to jail 1:14:57.320 --> 1:15:00.519 because of your own into charity. I'm nice all night. 1:15:00.640 --> 1:15:03.680 Oh man, you should the dog in the club and 1:15:03.760 --> 1:15:05.600 he raps it alized it like you know, what my 1:15:05.720 --> 1:15:07.439 dog go watch my daughter while I go in the 1:15:07.439 --> 1:15:09.840 club for a second. I have the best guard dog. 1:15:10.920 --> 1:15:13.800 I want to did it had my dog been been been? 1:15:13.920 --> 1:15:18.080 Like you want to end war? But you know, all right, man, 1:15:18.200 --> 1:15:21.880 I'm sorry, that's too much good. I ain't gonna front 1:15:21.920 --> 1:15:23.720 that in a bad idea. I leave. I lead the 1:15:23.840 --> 1:15:25.960 dog in the car with the kids of terrible this 1:15:26.160 --> 1:15:28.800 shut up? What's the mather of the story? The mall 1:15:28.800 --> 1:15:31.600 of the stories. Get your insecurities together, bro okay, trust me, 1:15:31.680 --> 1:15:34.240 I've been there. I feel sorry for Reginator, but she 1:15:34.400 --> 1:15:36.439 young though, you know what I mean, So I get it. 1:15:36.720 --> 1:15:39.200 You know you're just happening for her. Yeah, you do 1:15:39.280 --> 1:15:41.760 stuff like that when you're young, when you have those insecurities, 1:15:41.840 --> 1:15:43.679 and you know you just want to make sure somebody 1:15:43.800 --> 1:15:46.479 doing right by you. I get it, I get it, 1:15:46.760 --> 1:15:48.640 all right. We got more coming up next with a 1:15:48.680 --> 1:15:54.680 breakfast Club morning. Everybody is DJ Envy Angela Yee, Charlomagne 1:15:54.720 --> 1:15:56.439 the God. We are the Breakfast Club. We got a 1:15:56.439 --> 1:16:01.080 special guest in the building, yep, author David Back. Thank 1:16:01.080 --> 1:16:03.799 you for having me. He's one of the most trusted 1:16:03.840 --> 1:16:05.920 financial experts in the world. Correct, okay, and a best 1:16:05.960 --> 1:16:08.160 selling financial author, and you have a new book called 1:16:08.200 --> 1:16:10.400 The Latte Factor. I'm just super grateful to have it. 1:16:10.520 --> 1:16:12.360 Beyond the showman, thank you. We'll talk to us about 1:16:12.360 --> 1:16:16.000 the Latte Factor. What are the comparisons between finances and Latti? Yeah, well, 1:16:16.000 --> 1:16:19.080 because here's the deal. The forty four to ten Americans 1:16:19.160 --> 1:16:21.759 right now cannot get their hands on one hundred dollars 1:16:22.160 --> 1:16:26.000 in case of emergency. Jesus take that four out of ten. 1:16:26.160 --> 1:16:30.920 That's better than herpes Herpey's only one in three. Jesus 1:16:31.120 --> 1:16:33.960 take that in for a second. Wait, six out of 1:16:34.000 --> 1:16:36.799 ten Americans can't get their hands on a thousand dollars 1:16:37.000 --> 1:16:40.600 in case of emergency purposes. So seven out of ten 1:16:40.640 --> 1:16:43.679 Americans living paycheck to paycheck. And what I've been teaching 1:16:43.760 --> 1:16:48.080 out for almost total twenty six years is that we 1:16:48.200 --> 1:16:50.360 got to break this. The way you break it, the 1:16:50.400 --> 1:16:53.439 way you stop living paycheck to paycheck, is you realize 1:16:53.560 --> 1:16:55.640 the small amounts of money can change your life. So 1:16:55.760 --> 1:16:58.080 I created this concept called the Latte Factor, which is 1:16:58.120 --> 1:17:00.639 the idea that if sad wasting five bucks a day 1:17:01.000 --> 1:17:03.559 on a lot day, you took that five dollars a day, 1:17:03.680 --> 1:17:06.800 you put it inside your retirement account. You paid yourself first, 1:17:07.200 --> 1:17:13.200 you could become a millionaire. So so here's what you 1:17:13.200 --> 1:17:14.920 needent bag. But we got this, We got this little story, 1:17:14.920 --> 1:17:17.120 we got this metaphor in here, and got chart right, 1:17:17.200 --> 1:17:19.599 and a little simple chart shows you that, by the way, 1:17:19.640 --> 1:17:21.360 it takes a lifetime. Here, it takes you start in 1:17:21.439 --> 1:17:24.160 your twenties five dollars a day. By the time forty 1:17:24.240 --> 1:17:27.120 years later, at ten percent interests, it's worth nine hundred 1:17:27.120 --> 1:17:30.680 and forty eight thousand dollars. Okay, now someone, yeah, so 1:17:30.960 --> 1:17:33.439 that's starting in your twenties right now. There's a chart 1:17:33.520 --> 1:17:36.760 on page one thirty four shows somebody saving more than 1:17:36.800 --> 1:17:39.599 five dollars a day. Okay, three hundred bucks a month. Okay, 1:17:39.760 --> 1:17:42.599 you're twenty five, you saved three hundred bucks a month. 1:17:43.240 --> 1:17:45.960 By the time you reach retirement, you got one million, 1:17:46.320 --> 1:17:50.400 nine hundred and thirteen thousand dollars. Now here's the problem, guys. 1:17:51.160 --> 1:17:54.960 Most people do not start saving at twenty five. They 1:17:55.040 --> 1:17:57.640 start saving, they start they start thinking about it at 1:17:57.680 --> 1:18:02.560 thirty five. Do not wait to start saving money. My 1:18:02.680 --> 1:18:05.559 grandmother helped me buy my first stock at age seven. Wow. 1:18:05.720 --> 1:18:07.439 But you can only teach what you know. So a 1:18:07.520 --> 1:18:09.720 lot of these parents. You can't teach finances because they 1:18:09.720 --> 1:18:12.400 don't know finances. This though, you are absolutely right, and 1:18:12.479 --> 1:18:14.320 I'm here to say to any parent listening right now, 1:18:14.680 --> 1:18:17.240 this is my thirteenth book. This is the easiest book 1:18:17.240 --> 1:18:19.639 I've ever written. And I'm out here watching the videos 1:18:19.680 --> 1:18:22.559 of all the amazing, incredible artists who have come through here, 1:18:23.600 --> 1:18:25.800 and a lot of them were wearing six figures in 1:18:25.920 --> 1:18:29.519 jewelry around their neck. When you start seeing somebody wearing 1:18:29.560 --> 1:18:32.040 six figures in jewelry on their neck and they don't 1:18:32.080 --> 1:18:35.559 have a six figure net worth, someone's wrong. I agree. 1:18:35.760 --> 1:18:37.960 The first thing you focus on if you're listening right 1:18:38.000 --> 1:18:41.040 now and you don't have any savings is focus. I'm 1:18:41.080 --> 1:18:44.639 getting a thousand dollars in savings. The take I caught 1:18:44.680 --> 1:18:47.200 thee hundred day challenge, save ten dollars a day for 1:18:47.320 --> 1:18:50.320 one hundred days. You're now wealthier than six out of 1:18:50.360 --> 1:18:52.400 ten people in miracle. Now, what about what people that 1:18:52.439 --> 1:18:54.400 would say? You know, that sounds great, but what else 1:18:54.439 --> 1:18:56.160 can I do that's going to be more aggressive? I 1:18:56.479 --> 1:18:58.320 gotta I'm gonna drop a truth on you right now. 1:18:58.479 --> 1:19:00.200 Do you want to go and try and get rich overnight? 1:19:00.479 --> 1:19:02.920 You will stay poor forever. You do not get rich 1:19:03.000 --> 1:19:06.920 in days, you get rich in decades. Yeah, but see, 1:19:06.920 --> 1:19:09.479 a lottos are really just a tax on people that 1:19:09.600 --> 1:19:12.120 are like praying and hoping, right Like, that's not a 1:19:12.240 --> 1:19:14.439 real way to go and get rich. It's a tax 1:19:14.520 --> 1:19:17.120 on your hope. It's a taxi optimism. I used to 1:19:17.120 --> 1:19:18.760 say it's a tax on stupid people. But I want 1:19:18.800 --> 1:19:20.640 everybody coming out with a gun on me. So so 1:19:21.040 --> 1:19:22.920 here's the thing. A lot we have people putting more 1:19:22.960 --> 1:19:26.000 money in the lottery tickets than retirement account. Right. So, 1:19:26.200 --> 1:19:28.400 if you've got a job today, here's what I want 1:19:28.400 --> 1:19:30.360 you to do. You have to pay yourself first. You 1:19:30.439 --> 1:19:34.479 have to get financially selfish. The formula to financial freedom 1:19:34.520 --> 1:19:37.320 for life is saving one hour day of your income. 1:19:37.640 --> 1:19:40.679 Whether you make minimum wager you make more the average 1:19:40.720 --> 1:19:43.479 Americans making about twenty seven dollars an hour right now, 1:19:44.240 --> 1:19:47.160 one hour a day of your income paid automatically into 1:19:47.200 --> 1:19:50.000 a retirement account. You can be financially free for life. 1:19:50.200 --> 1:19:52.240 Can you elaborate on a statement you're richer than you think. 1:19:52.560 --> 1:19:54.599 You have to learn to think like an investor. There's 1:19:54.680 --> 1:19:57.880 two things that make people in America wealthy. They are 1:19:58.000 --> 1:20:01.760 real estate and stocks. If you don't own real estate 1:20:01.800 --> 1:20:03.680 and you don't own stocks, you don't get into one 1:20:03.720 --> 1:20:06.160 of these two games or both. You're not on the 1:20:06.320 --> 1:20:08.960 escalator to building wealth. These are the things that make 1:20:09.040 --> 1:20:11.559 people wealthier. When you own real estate, the tax laws 1:20:11.640 --> 1:20:14.000 favor the rich. You can buy it. This is what 1:20:14.120 --> 1:20:17.640 people don't realize. You can buy a home, living it 1:20:17.720 --> 1:20:21.439 for two years, sell it, and if you're single, you 1:20:21.520 --> 1:20:23.720 can keep a quarter of a million dollars in tax 1:20:23.800 --> 1:20:25.960 free gains. Okay, quote a million dollar tax free. Right. 1:20:26.400 --> 1:20:29.160 It's the only game in town where the government doesn't 1:20:29.200 --> 1:20:30.920 tax you, no one of reasons, because the government wants 1:20:30.920 --> 1:20:32.960 you to have homeowner wants you to own a home. Right. Now, 1:20:33.040 --> 1:20:35.000 here's the truth. When you look at why is it 1:20:35.160 --> 1:20:38.879 that wealth goes from one generation to the next or doesn't. 1:20:39.200 --> 1:20:44.559 It's real estate. So homeowners are forty six times wealthier 1:20:44.680 --> 1:20:47.800 than renters. So some of the smartest investments for people 1:20:47.840 --> 1:20:51.599 with new money to make our real estate and stop. Yeah, 1:20:51.640 --> 1:20:53.200 and the simplest thing is to start with your four 1:20:53.280 --> 1:20:56.479 one K plan or your IRA account and just start saving, 1:20:56.560 --> 1:20:59.280 start investing and get yourself you know, you start some 1:20:59.320 --> 1:21:01.280 of the simples and dex fund. You got a chapter 1:21:01.360 --> 1:21:03.360 in your book called don't budget and make it automatic? 1:21:03.439 --> 1:21:05.479 Can you expand on that police. Yeah, so we're all 1:21:05.520 --> 1:21:07.800 taught to budget. Nobody really does it in the real world. 1:21:07.840 --> 1:21:11.400 People hate it. So when I teach, is this the 1:21:11.600 --> 1:21:16.320 way you build wealth for anything? Retirement, buying a car, 1:21:16.840 --> 1:21:19.720 going on a dream, vocation, saving money for kids who 1:21:19.720 --> 1:21:22.440 are going to go to college. As you save automatically, 1:21:23.040 --> 1:21:27.479 money's got to get moved automatically from your paycheck from 1:21:27.600 --> 1:21:30.200 your income into these different savings accounts, or you won't 1:21:30.240 --> 1:21:32.840 do it. If you want to know the true formula 1:21:32.960 --> 1:21:37.519 to being able to retire in your fifties, it is 1:21:37.600 --> 1:21:39.559 to save. I can give you the exact number right now. 1:21:40.439 --> 1:21:43.840 It's fourteen percent of your gross income. Okay, but it's 1:21:43.880 --> 1:21:45.640 fourteen percent of your gross syncome. How do I know 1:21:45.720 --> 1:21:49.040 these numbers? Because Fidelity Investments run is the largest foreign 1:21:49.120 --> 1:21:50.600 K planet and I think in the world. They have 1:21:50.720 --> 1:21:52.840 sixteen million people in the US and their foreign K 1:21:52.960 --> 1:21:58.519 plant represents twenty thousand companies. They track the amount of 1:21:58.520 --> 1:22:01.960 people will become millionaires using their fourn K plan, and 1:22:02.120 --> 1:22:05.400 they've saved fourteen percent of their income for thirty years 1:22:05.720 --> 1:22:08.080 by the time they reached an average age of fifty nine, 1:22:08.640 --> 1:22:11.920 they're a four one k million. So the only way 1:22:11.960 --> 1:22:14.160 you're going to have money in this country is if 1:22:14.200 --> 1:22:17.439 you take care of yourself. No one's coming to save us. Now, 1:22:17.479 --> 1:22:20.040 you address one of the law shifts about money in 1:22:20.080 --> 1:22:22.160 the law te fact, and it takes money to make money. 1:22:22.479 --> 1:22:26.280 Why that's such a misconception because if you, first of all, 1:22:26.320 --> 1:22:28.560 if you believe you've got to have a lot of 1:22:28.640 --> 1:22:33.680 money to start investing, you'll never started defeated already. You're 1:22:33.720 --> 1:22:38.320 defeated already. It is a poor mental mindset. And so 1:22:39.040 --> 1:22:41.400 I'll go back to my grandmother. My grandmother was broke 1:22:41.439 --> 1:22:44.720 at thirty and didn't have a college education, live in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, 1:22:45.120 --> 1:22:47.839 and had a job in retail, a place called Gimbal's 1:22:47.880 --> 1:22:50.200 Department store. She said, I was always getting my financial 1:22:50.200 --> 1:22:52.800 advice from my friends, and they were all poor. She said, 1:22:52.840 --> 1:22:55.320 don't get your financial advice from poor people. There you go. 1:22:55.680 --> 1:22:58.519 So she went out and started taking classes at adult 1:22:58.600 --> 1:23:02.720 schools on investing. She found somebody who was a millionaire. 1:23:03.000 --> 1:23:06.479 Didn't know the person well, but knew the person enough 1:23:06.560 --> 1:23:08.760 to say, I know you're well off. Funny actually, and 1:23:08.840 --> 1:23:12.200 I'm trying to learn how to become wealthier? Would you 1:23:12.320 --> 1:23:15.160 teach me? She actually asked for a mentor, and she 1:23:15.360 --> 1:23:18.479 learned over her lifetime what to do and you know, 1:23:18.560 --> 1:23:20.800 and then pass the lessons on to our family. A 1:23:20.840 --> 1:23:22.560 lot of times, what happens once you have money is 1:23:22.600 --> 1:23:24.200 you don't actually care then if you look rich, because 1:23:24.200 --> 1:23:26.760 you don't care what any else thinks. The weirdest thing 1:23:26.880 --> 1:23:28.840 is that when we're not rich, we care what people think. 1:23:29.120 --> 1:23:31.559 Once we are rich, we don't give it. You say, 1:23:31.640 --> 1:23:34.760 big hat, no cat, big big hat, no cattle. Big 1:23:35.560 --> 1:23:37.880 it's a Texas phrase because that's right, get the big hat. 1:23:38.160 --> 1:23:40.720 But you got no cattle. You say, no big polk, 1:23:40.800 --> 1:23:44.200 no scroke. So if you got a big camp, all right, 1:23:44.280 --> 1:23:47.639 the state you for joining us, pick up his book 1:23:47.760 --> 1:23:50.400 The lat say fact that now, and thank you so much, 1:23:50.520 --> 1:23:52.760 sir guys, thank you for having me on your as. 1:23:53.000 --> 1:23:54.759 I appreciate you. I don't know how we got the penises. 1:23:54.760 --> 1:24:00.960 I'm sorry. It's the breakfast club. Good morning. Got to 1:24:01.120 --> 1:24:02.800 hit the club like you hit them, hit them, get 1:24:02.840 --> 1:24:11.839 them mangles like everybody's dj N v Angela Yee, Charlomagne, 1:24:11.880 --> 1:24:15.439 the guy we are the Breakfast Club charlomne Yes, sir 1:24:16.360 --> 1:24:19.120 uh you got a positive note, yes, man. A positive 1:24:19.200 --> 1:24:21.400 note is simply this man. It is always better to 1:24:21.479 --> 1:24:24.920 ask questions than to make an assumption, because assumptions set 1:24:25.000 --> 1:24:26.120 us up for suffering,