Speaker 1: Hello, is this lie?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Is this Heath? It is.
Speaker 1: Crazy that I'm actually talking to you.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm happy to happy to hear from you. You
Speaker 2: got the same name as that actor who died.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how everybody knows who he's that or the
Speaker 1: candy bar.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, well Heath does see Heath. I feel like
Speaker 2: this is going to be a chill call.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, why not.
Speaker 2: What's going on with the Heath?
Speaker 1: Well, I'm in a predicament that I've never been before, Heathy.
Speaker 2: It says here that you accidentally threw away your sister's
Speaker 2: roommates dad's ashes.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's like I I I laugh, I giggle because
Speaker 1: it's so horrible. It's like there's not really any other
Speaker 1: way to respond. It's it's so bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me let me, let me let me slow
Speaker 2: this down real quick. Okay, sisters roommates, dad's ashes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so my sister lives in a house with a
Speaker 1: couple of people. One of those people's dad died. I
Speaker 1: threw away the ashes.
Speaker 2: Okay, so tell me how you ended up throwing away
Speaker 2: the ashes.
Speaker 1: Well, basically, the the house that my sister and everybody
Speaker 1: rents is getting tinted for termites tomorrow, so they have
Speaker 1: to you know, clean up the police a bit, get
Speaker 1: it organized, wrap everything up, and then also take their
Speaker 1: things and leave for a couple of days while it's happening.
Speaker 1: And so my sister actually is sick, so I went
Speaker 1: over there to help because she wasn't there or able
Speaker 1: to help. And then the other chick is was like
Speaker 1: working or something, and so I went to help the
Speaker 1: only other person that was there working on things. And
Speaker 1: so we had this this like one laundry room closet
Speaker 1: room that needed to be kind of organized and cleaned out.
Speaker 1: There was tons of trash, like literally a massive pile
Speaker 1: of laundry, and then this like cabinet situation that had
Speaker 1: a bunch of random things and it mainly though it
Speaker 1: was cleaning supplies and like extra hardware, looked like it
Speaker 1: was just a bunch of stuff left by the landlord.
Speaker 1: And we were just cleaning all that out, stuff that
Speaker 1: you know, wasn't necessary. And one of those things was
Speaker 1: an unmarked box that was just sitting there amongst all
Speaker 1: those other things, and I thought it was that, you
Speaker 1: know that like cat litter type stuff that janitors use
Speaker 1: to like clean up throw up in schools and stuff
Speaker 1: and like drives up even sweep it.
Speaker 2: I thought it was that you thought it was catletter,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Some some along than live. I mean, it's I don't
Speaker 1: know if you've ever seen ashes. I never have before.
Speaker 1: I mean I have now. I didn't know it though,
Speaker 1: but that's not what I pictured them looking like. You know,
Speaker 1: I thought it would be like, I don't know, ashes,
Speaker 1: It was like cat litter almost m h.
Speaker 2: And so you threw them what?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean we were trying to save some
Speaker 1: space and put things in there that needed to be
Speaker 1: better protected, and a box of dirt or cat litter
Speaker 1: was not going to be one of those things. Little
Speaker 1: did we know the dad's ashes were in there. So
Speaker 1: is that? Yeah, So.
Speaker 2: What happens when your sister's roommate found.
Speaker 1: Out, Well, she didn't know right away because, like I said,
Speaker 1: she wasn't even there when we were in the room.
Speaker 1: She was aware that we were cleaning that room though,
Speaker 1: And I think that's important because I don't mean to
Speaker 1: like shift the blame on anybody, but like it was
Speaker 1: a totally unmarked box, like we had literally no way
Speaker 1: of knowing. I'm sure if you were in the same position,
Speaker 1: you probably would have done the same thing. Like it
Speaker 1: didn't seem It's not like it was just some dumb
Speaker 1: mistake because we were being careless, like it was thought out.
Speaker 1: We actually in the moment joked saying, oh, that might
Speaker 1: be like somebody's ashes, And I was like, no, there's
Speaker 1: no way that, like somebody would put there somebody important
Speaker 1: ashes in some storage room next to hardware and cleaning
Speaker 1: supplies and an unmarked cardboard box, like, there's no way.
Speaker 2: You joked beforehand.
Speaker 1: That well, I mean to say joked that. We weren't
Speaker 1: like joking, but like, you know, just an offhand little
Speaker 1: comment like, oh, what if that's ashes, I'd be like,
Speaker 1: and I actually said, no, there's no way these are ashes.
Speaker 1: It's like it wouldn't be here. Okay, we're that important,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: I feel like you cosmically played alf when you said that, Well,
Speaker 2: what do you mean while you threw it out there
Speaker 2: for those to be ashes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we spoken into existence. It wouldn't have
Speaker 1: been ashes.
Speaker 2: If we didn't say that, So tell us about and
Speaker 2: then here we are the reaction from yeah, your sister,
Speaker 2: your friends, your sister's friends.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, how I initially realized they suspected something happened.
Speaker 1: Was my sister FaceTime and was like, hey, so Shelby,
Speaker 1: you know, thanks for cleaning that room yesterday. You know,
Speaker 1: awesome job. Looks Shelby was wondering where there was like
Speaker 1: a box with her dad dashes in that room, and
Speaker 1: she was just wondering where it went. And like immediately
Speaker 1: as soon as she said that, I knew exactly what
Speaker 1: she was talking about, and I got silent for a
Speaker 1: little while. I thought for a little bit longer, and
Speaker 1: I still didn't really know what to say. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just like anyways, she ends up kind of catching
Speaker 1: the hint because nobody would actually say anything right away
Speaker 1: that obviously they must be gone. So the other roommate
Speaker 1: it was mainly texting her because their roommates, and so
Speaker 1: she was just like, yeah, we accidentally threw them away,
Speaker 1: gave some excuse. She just like ignored everybody for a while.
Speaker 1: Literally drove to some landfills and was trying to find it,
Speaker 1: and like we were kind of following her around trying
Speaker 1: to go to a landfill. I had no idea where
Speaker 1: it went though, And then it ended where Shelley ended
Speaker 1: up being with somebody else and Anyways, she she sent
Speaker 1: a big long text a little while ago, just uh,
Speaker 1: and her step mom did too.
Speaker 2: She text to your.
Speaker 1: Roommate that I didn't no to Bella and because they
Speaker 1: don't have my phone number, so they sent to Tabella
Speaker 1: Bella toal sense to me. So I was able to
Speaker 1: see it, and it was like they were really upset.
Speaker 1: They were just like, how could.
Speaker 3: You do this?
Speaker 1: How did you not even question that this might be
Speaker 1: somebody's ashes heath?
Speaker 2: Do you have the text message?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Can we hear it?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: The text message that they sent that like the stepmom sent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the text message that the step mom sent to you?
Speaker 1: Okay, they she said, this is Cheryl Shelby's stepmom. I
Speaker 1: would greatly appreciate an explanation as to how that's all taps.
Speaker 1: You could soak carelessly throw away my fiances and Shelby's
Speaker 1: father's remains in the garbage. This is the most horrifying
Speaker 1: thing I've ever heard of in my life. It is
Speaker 1: beyond painful. You have three people living in your home.
Speaker 1: If you ran across something that wasn't familiar to you,
Speaker 1: why in God's name would you not ask your roommates?
Speaker 1: Shelby told you both. She was putting her father's ashes
Speaker 1: in the cabinet in the laundry room due to Marley,
Speaker 1: that's her dog. How could you do this? How if
Speaker 1: you have an ounce of healing compassion, if Shelby has
Speaker 1: to go to the landfill to find him, you better
Speaker 1: be right beside her helping you and Tally and he's
Speaker 1: This is the most inconsiderate, cruel thing I've ever experienced. Imagine,
Speaker 1: just imagine if this was one of your parents. Make
Speaker 1: this right, Bella?
Speaker 2: Wait, make this right, Bella? Why did you say at
Speaker 2: to Bella?
Speaker 1: Well, because she sent that text specifically to Bella.
Speaker 2: Why would she Santa Belli, you're the one to throw
Speaker 2: away the ashes?
Speaker 1: Well, we both did it, was we literally I grabbed
Speaker 1: it from the shelf and asked, and she took it
Speaker 1: from my hand and threw it in the trash bag,
Speaker 1: like we both did it.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Well, so she said that you need
Speaker 2: to make this right. What have you done to attempt
Speaker 2: to make it right?
Speaker 1: Well, I was if she was going to be at
Speaker 1: a landfill, I was willing to go there and look
Speaker 1: for it, even though I don't think that's realistic at all.
Speaker 1: I think we're never going to find it, but I
Speaker 1: was going to go there and do my best to
Speaker 1: try to find it and hope for some sort of crazy,
Speaker 1: crazy thing to happen.
Speaker 2: And did you end up going to the landfill?
Speaker 1: Well, I drove to a couple, but she was ahead
Speaker 1: of me, and I don't actually have her phone numbers.
Speaker 1: I wasn't talking to her. I was getting relayed messages
Speaker 1: from my sister who was talking to her about where
Speaker 1: she was going. And so by the time I would
Speaker 1: get to the places, she had already left because those
Speaker 1: places were closed or the people there told her to
Speaker 1: go somewhere else. So it was kind of just I
Speaker 1: chased her around town for a little while, never actually
Speaker 1: saw her, and then she was so and that wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna rude.
Speaker 2: Have you seen the step mom or the daughter since
Speaker 2: in person?
Speaker 1: No, this this has unfolded in the last like four hours,
Speaker 1: probably maybe five.
Speaker 2: This was this is this is in the past four hours.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is literally today, like I'm in the middle
Speaker 1: of it right now. And I was telling my buddy
Speaker 1: about it, and he said, dude, Lyle is online right now.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you are so heavily procrastinating on dealing
Speaker 2: with this right now.
Speaker 1: Maybe that is the case.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so when did you get sent that text?
Speaker 1: That text was sent at eight thirty and it is
Speaker 1: now almost ten an hour and a half years.
Speaker 2: Have have you responded to it yet? How do you?
Speaker 2: How do you respond to something like that?
Speaker 1: Well? I don't know, and I don't feel like it's
Speaker 1: totally fair, but I because all of this is going
Speaker 1: towards Bella, like, even though we were equally involved in it,
Speaker 1: I know that she's going to take most of the
Speaker 1: heat because she's their actual roommate. She's like legit friends
Speaker 1: and knows, Like I'm pretty sure there's some traumatic story
Speaker 1: to her relationship with her dad and everything like and
Speaker 1: then he like died of some horrible like of COVID
Speaker 1: or something like. It's a very sad story and she
Speaker 1: was very beaten up about it.
Speaker 2: And yeah sure, well okay, So if you believe that
Speaker 2: Bella is about to take most of the heat, are
Speaker 2: you going to stand up and say it was both
Speaker 2: of us?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, And I've tried to say that as much
Speaker 1: as I can. But like I said, they're texting her,
Speaker 1: they don't have my phone number, and they're not trying
Speaker 1: to get my phone number. They it's almost as if
Speaker 1: they're blaming her, and I can't even like I've said
Speaker 1: it was both of us. I can respond to everybody,
Speaker 1: but like they're still not really I think they've made
Speaker 1: up their minds. That's what I was saying. They think
Speaker 1: it might be malicious. That's kind of the vibe I'm getting.
Speaker 2: So you are in the absolute midst of this situation
Speaker 2: right now, How do you feel about everything?
Speaker 1: I am so terrified because like, while it doesn't it
Speaker 1: doesn't like directly affect me because I don't live there.
Speaker 1: I'm not even really friends with the Shelby chick. Like
Speaker 1: I said, she's nice. I enjoy saying hey to her
Speaker 1: in passing when I go to her house to visit
Speaker 1: my sister, Like I don't really know her. So I
Speaker 1: feel like it's a lot. I don't know. It's like
Speaker 1: it doesn't directly affect my life in most ways, but
Speaker 1: I just threw away her dad's ashes, Like I just
Speaker 1: mentally am gonna have to live with that for the
Speaker 1: rest of my life with no way to fix it,
Speaker 1: and like no way for her to ever really feel
Speaker 1: better about anything, Like it's always going to suck and
Speaker 1: there's nothing to make it better, And I think that
Speaker 1: makes it so much worse. There's not even a possibility
Speaker 1: of recomplete.
Speaker 2: I like that you're saying it's not going to affect
Speaker 2: your life at any way. Okay, let's your name again, Heath, Heath.
Speaker 2: Have you thought at all, because because eventually, eventually, I
Speaker 2: don't know, I mean, I thought this was longer ago.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize this happens today. You will will eventually
Speaker 2: be in a situation where you will have to face
Speaker 2: this mother and this daughter who's uh father's ashes you
Speaker 2: threw away. You will have to see them in person.
Speaker 2: Are you prepared for that?
Speaker 1: No? Nope, I that I think that terrifies me even
Speaker 1: more because honestly, I would expect him to just like
Speaker 1: slap me in the face. And you know I don't
Speaker 1: do it's violence very well. I'm not a violent guy,
Speaker 1: so like that would be that's very terrifying.
Speaker 2: Me getting slapped in the face.
Speaker 1: But if somebody being so upset that they would slap
Speaker 1: me in.
Speaker 2: The face, have you thought about anything you could potentially
Speaker 2: do to make things right?
Speaker 1: Not to make things right, But my buddy gave me
Speaker 1: an idea of like going to the local Humane society
Speaker 1: and then getting some extra ashes there and like putting
Speaker 1: them in the box, and like the most horrible idea.
Speaker 1: There's no way I could do that, but I am
Speaker 1: like slightly considering it for some reason.
Speaker 2: Yea, I was about to say, you sound like you're
Speaker 2: considering this idea.
Speaker 1: I really don't think I ever would do it, though.
Speaker 2: By the way, I don't know if you can just
Speaker 2: go to the humane society and get ashes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably not. I'm probably oversimplifying that a lot.
Speaker 2: I'm concerned about maybe why your friend knows this, because
Speaker 2: it means he's done this before.
Speaker 1: I was also concerned. But then directly after that is
Speaker 1: whenever he's said to call you, and so I hung
Speaker 1: up with him and didn't talk about it anymore.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I feel like all I've really provided you
Speaker 2: with is sixteen minutes in which you are dealing with
Speaker 2: this situation in a retrospective, hypothetical sense, and not directly
Speaker 2: face to face. I hope it's giving you some time
Speaker 2: to think about how you might respond. I don't know
Speaker 2: how I would respond. I am at a loss. I
Speaker 2: don't know what the hell I would do if I
Speaker 2: was in your situation. You know, am I a saint?
Speaker 2: Would if I were in your position with the idea
Speaker 2: of going to the Humane Society and trying to swap
Speaker 2: out this girl's dad's ashes for the ashes of a
Speaker 2: golden retriever? Would that pop into my mind and stay
Speaker 2: there for you know, at least ten seconds maybe? But
Speaker 2: I also wouldn't do it. I don't have an answer
Speaker 2: for you, Heath. You're kind of just going to have
Speaker 2: to take the L on this one. You're a little
Speaker 2: bit lucky that you're not having to take the L alone.
Speaker 2: You share the L with this other girl, Bella. What
Speaker 2: have you been in contact with her? What's your conversations
Speaker 2: with her? Been?
Speaker 1: Like, Yeah, that's the main person I've been talking to.
Speaker 1: She has been horribly broken up about it because, like
Speaker 1: I said, they're friends, and you know, they are roommates,
Speaker 1: and she knows them very well. So she's very broken
Speaker 1: up about it, to the point where like she's she's
Speaker 1: like sobbing constantly just thinking about it. Like I'm sure
Speaker 1: she's been crying for hours today. And I feel horrible
Speaker 1: because like even though, like I said, we were equally
Speaker 1: involved with it, but she's definitely going to take the
Speaker 1: larger hit for sure, and I'm uncomfortable with where I'm at.
Speaker 2: Well, you seem like you're sort of I mean, you're
Speaker 2: describing yourself to me as removed from the situation in theory.
Speaker 1: In most ways. Yeah, that's why I'm kind of like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's mentally, I'm trying to make it better.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I always come back to
Speaker 1: the fact of the matter that it's it is really,
Speaker 1: really horrible. So I'm like trying to maybe rationalize it
Speaker 1: mentally about why it's okay and I wasn't totally the
Speaker 1: one to blame and I don't even have to bear
Speaker 1: most of the runt of it all. But I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to come to terms with the fact
Speaker 1: that through raised somebody's goad to ashes. Like the rest
Speaker 1: of my life, I know that I did that. It's horrible.
Speaker 1: What if somebody did it to me? You know?
Speaker 2: Well, I think you're right in that you're not going
Speaker 2: to find anything at the landfill, And all you can
Speaker 2: kind of really do now is face these people head on.
Speaker 2: You got to go and look them in the eye
Speaker 2: and feel those pretty horrible feelings, and then as far
Speaker 2: as how to make things right. M you're gonna have
Speaker 2: to get creative. You're gonna have to think of some ideas.
Speaker 2: They might have their ideas of how you can make
Speaker 2: things right. Maybe you might have to do some community work.
Speaker 2: Maybe you find out about the father. What did he
Speaker 2: care about in his life and how can you contribute
Speaker 2: to the things that he cared about? You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. Was he a big I don't know, did he?
Speaker 2: Was he a volunteer firefighter or something? And now you
Speaker 2: got to go be one of those I'm just spitball here,
Speaker 2: but something like that. If I figure out what was
Speaker 2: important to this man, ask them what was important to
Speaker 2: this man and how you can help carry on his
Speaker 2: legacy whatever it is. That's that's my one li little
Speaker 2: thing of how you can maybe right this wrong. What's
Speaker 2: your name, Heath. I'm gonna let you go and take
Speaker 2: care of this because I didn't realize that it happened
Speaker 2: five minutes ago. I'm sure your phone is blowing up,
Speaker 2: and I'm happy to have given you a brief suspension
Speaker 2: from this reality, but it is time to dive back in.
Speaker 1: Alrighty. Well, thanks Lotle. I appreciate the chat.
Speaker 2: Is there anything else you want to say to the
Speaker 2: people of the computer.
Speaker 1: Before we go, Yes, I would like to say, you know,
Speaker 1: just even when you think you know stuff you don't,
Speaker 1: you just never know. I thought it was cat litter
Speaker 1: or something and it was actually ashes, and I knew
Speaker 1: it for a fact that it wasn't. So you never
Speaker 1: know what you think you know. Harrison, I love you.
Speaker 2: Thank you for calling Heath hie to assume makes an
Speaker 2: ass out of you and me. Here's the thing. Here's
Speaker 2: the thing. I'll say this about the situation. They probably
Speaker 2: should have labeled the box or put it in an urn.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't put ashes in the same container that I'm
Speaker 2: putting pretzels in. I'd get a different container. But more importantly,
Speaker 2: Heath should not say that to them in the confrontation.
Speaker 2: He can believe it, he can believe that that was
Speaker 2: not a great place for ashes, but don't mention that
Speaker 2: to the mom and the daughter, because then he really
Speaker 2: will get slapped. Hey is this Jack?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: How's it going, Jack?
Speaker 5: It's going pretty okay. I thought i'd be more nervous,
Speaker 5: but like so far, I'm okay.
Speaker 2: Really, tell me more about what's going on in your
Speaker 2: body right now? How is the uh, how's your heart rate?
Speaker 5: It's it's okay, it's slowly going up a bit. I
Speaker 5: was actually just talking to a friend and it was
Speaker 5: pretty relaxing. I'm actually it's just now hitting me that
Speaker 5: I'm like actually talking to you.
Speaker 2: Well, Jack, I think I'm okay, how can I get
Speaker 2: you today?
Speaker 5: Well, I I don't know. I've been seeing a lot
Speaker 5: of things and I'm thinking a lot about what people
Speaker 5: have been saying to me, and I don't know, things
Speaker 5: just kind of seem a little odd, and then the
Speaker 5: world starts to like cave in on you and you
Speaker 5: start to spiral and then like you know, you eventually
Speaker 5: come back. But it's a little scary.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's you just said, like a lot of stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think a lot about how other people like
Speaker 5: perceive me and what they tell me, and like I
Speaker 5: go to I go to an actual therapist for that.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I've had like an anxiety kind of thingy
Speaker 5: for five years now that I've been dealing with.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 2: Jack says here that your friends are telling you that
Speaker 2: they're scared of you because you see things that are
Speaker 2: not there. Is that accurate?
Speaker 5: Pretty much? It's more like there have been times where
Speaker 5: people have told me that they're afraid of me and
Speaker 5: that and then in addition, I've also been seeing a
Speaker 5: lot of things that aren't there that kind of adds
Speaker 5: on to it. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2: Why are people telling you that they're afraid of you?
Speaker 5: That's a really good question. It mostly happened in college.
Speaker 5: There was just like sometimes in conversation where like some
Speaker 5: of my friends would tell me that they're afraid of me,
Speaker 5: and I think it's because I'm kind of tall and
Speaker 5: I'm quiet, and so they just like, I don't know,
Speaker 5: get spooked that I'm like behind them or something. I'm
Speaker 5: not very good at public situations here.
Speaker 2: Let's let's dive into this. Let's focus on this. Your
Speaker 2: friends tell you they're afraid of you. Do you ask that.
Speaker 5: Some of them? Yeah, yeah, but they mostly give like
Speaker 5: really unspecific answers, Like.
Speaker 2: It's like a specific answers about me.
Speaker 5: They're just like, oh, I don't know, there's just something
Speaker 5: about you that like scares me, okay, and the fact
Speaker 5: that they don't know what it is, and the fact
Speaker 5: that I don't know what it is kind of scares me.
Speaker 2: So Jack, are these things you say you see things
Speaker 2: that aren't there, and you say that people are afraid
Speaker 2: of you. Are these two separate things? Are these related?
Speaker 5: These are things that I am They're related because I'm
Speaker 5: worried about both of them.
Speaker 2: Okay, but they're not related because your friends aren't scared
Speaker 2: of you because of you seeing things. They're two separate things.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's correct.
Speaker 2: Okay, Which thing do you think would be more beneficial
Speaker 2: for us to talk about right now?
Speaker 5: Probably seeing things? I think that's really interesting And I
Speaker 5: have no idea.
Speaker 2: Why what do you what have you been seeing?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 2: People, You've been seeing people who aren't there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know it sounds really weird, but it's been
Speaker 5: happening a lot. And uh, I don't know. It's not
Speaker 5: something that I'm like super afraid of, but it is
Speaker 5: something I worry about.
Speaker 2: Okay, tell me about these people that you're seeing that
Speaker 2: aren't there.
Speaker 5: Sometimes it's like my dad. I'm not exactly sure why,
Speaker 5: but sometimes in my peripheral vision, like I see him
Speaker 5: standing there watching me, and it's kind of scary. Sometimes
Speaker 5: I'd be in class and like i'd look up or
Speaker 5: something and be watching me through a window, And then
Speaker 5: I'd look again and they weren't.
Speaker 2: There is your dad alive?
Speaker 5: Yeah he is. He's old, but he is.
Speaker 2: Okay, what's the relationship like with him?
Speaker 5: Uh? Complicated? I don't know. I there was a lot when,
Speaker 5: like when I was younger, he would get really really angry,
Speaker 5: and it was a really difficult time in my life.
Speaker 5: It was hard to live with him. My mom tried
Speaker 5: to separate from him, but it didn't really happen. I
Speaker 5: think that might be where my anxiety comes from, but
Speaker 5: I'm not exactly sure.
Speaker 2: So, Jack, you say that you talk to a real
Speaker 2: therapist about this stuff, right, Yeah. And what does your
Speaker 2: real therapist tell you when you tell them this, Well,
Speaker 2: they kind.
Speaker 5: Of agree with me. But we're working on a path
Speaker 5: right now to to stop seeing people and to move
Speaker 5: on from the anxiety. He thinks that it might be
Speaker 5: like a relation between me worrying about people like, uh,
Speaker 5: how they look at me and feeling like watched. I guess,
Speaker 5: like all of my actions, you know, being watched and judged.
Speaker 2: Okay, so we're coming a little bit full circle. Your
Speaker 2: therapist is saying that these two things that I thought
Speaker 2: were not related are related. Yeah, okay. Uh, so you
Speaker 2: said your therapist is putting out a path for you.
Speaker 2: What does this path look like?
Speaker 5: Well, it's kind of like kind of like getting more
Speaker 5: of like involved, I guess, and like how like what
Speaker 5: I'm thinking like or not what I'm thinking about, like
Speaker 5: getting more involved in my anxiety. So basically trying to
Speaker 5: open myself up more in public situations and trying to
Speaker 5: be more present. I wore a face mask a lot
Speaker 5: during the pandemic, but after I still wore it because
Speaker 5: I liked having my face covered up. And I also
Speaker 5: wore a hat a lot because I didn't like people
Speaker 5: seeing me. So I'm trying to avoid that by not
Speaker 5: wearing a hat or a mask and trying to talk
Speaker 5: to people more. But it can be a little tough
Speaker 5: at times.
Speaker 2: Okay, so your therapist believes that your anxiety over being
Speaker 2: perceived is what's causing you to see people that aren't there,
Speaker 2: because it's some psychological thing of you manifesting the idea
Speaker 2: that you're being watched. Yeah, so you wore a hat,
Speaker 2: you wore face mask around because you didn't want to
Speaker 2: be seen. Why are you afraid of being seen?
Speaker 5: Because I am really afraid of how people view me,
Speaker 5: and I think that they're judging me a lot, and uh,
Speaker 5: I don't know. I guess I'm just afraid of not
Speaker 5: fitting in, Okay, being different, you know, wearing things that
Speaker 5: would make me stand out.
Speaker 2: What about you do you believe is different?
Speaker 5: Well, it's the thing. I try to not be different.
Speaker 5: But I guess I'm just not. I like, I don't know,
Speaker 5: I don't like the same you know, pop culture things
Speaker 5: that people like, or I don't have similar interest to
Speaker 5: a lot of people. And uh, it's kind of hard
Speaker 5: to get involved with like, you know, friend groups and
Speaker 5: things like that. And so yeah, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I've dealt with rejection a lot.
Speaker 2: Well tell me that, tell me that's jack. But I'm
Speaker 2: sorry to interrupt you, but you said that you try
Speaker 2: not to stand out actively because you have this fear
Speaker 2: of being judged. But yeah, in your heart of hearts,
Speaker 2: your analysis of who you are and how you genuinely
Speaker 2: would like to be and would like to present yourself
Speaker 2: and would like to maneuver about the world, what does
Speaker 2: that look like without any consideration of what other people
Speaker 2: or what societal norms have to say? Do understand that question?
Speaker 5: Like, how do I want to live my life without
Speaker 5: like thinking about what other people do. Yes, that's a
Speaker 5: really really good question. I don't know. Actually, I kind
Speaker 5: of feel like I've been doing this for so long
Speaker 5: that I forgot who I who I really was, And uh,
Speaker 5: I guess it would be good to try to reconnect
Speaker 5: with that person, because then I could maybe feel better.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 2: I agree with you completely. And by the way, I
Speaker 2: don't you know. Look, it says you're in nineteen Is
Speaker 2: that is that true?
Speaker 5: That's correct?
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, so you've been living like this for a while,
Speaker 2: just in really strong fear of what other people think
Speaker 2: of you, And I think that's okay, you know, that's like,
Speaker 2: I think that's I think that's how a lot of
Speaker 2: people start. I feel like I've got a pretty good
Speaker 2: handle on myself and who I am, and I started
Speaker 2: out afraid of what other people think of me. And
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people start afraid of what
Speaker 2: people think of them, and then they sort of decide
Speaker 2: that they're going to put forth effort against that, and
Speaker 2: then they go on to live more meaningful lives, expressing
Speaker 2: themselves and being who they are. And so I don't
Speaker 2: think you're behind. I don't think that you're at a disadvantage.
Speaker 2: I think that you're on an upward trajectory, and I
Speaker 2: also think you're on an upward rejector because you're fucking
Speaker 2: going to therapy. You're realizing this is an issue, and
Speaker 2: you're making upwards steps into fixing it. I'm glad to
Speaker 2: hear that you just said on that, because I think
Speaker 2: you should sit back, take a little bit of time
Speaker 2: to think about how you actually want to be. A
Speaker 2: lot of people don't even do that. A lot of
Speaker 2: people don't even sit down and think, Okay, who am
Speaker 2: I actually, how do I want to present myself? How
Speaker 2: do I want to be? What are what is my
Speaker 2: idea of a good person? What is my idea of
Speaker 2: the right way to live a life? And it's okay
Speaker 2: to really take some time to think about this stuff,
Speaker 2: write some of the stuff down, even And then you
Speaker 2: know you're programmed mentally right now to just care what
Speaker 2: other people think of you, because that's how you've been living,
Speaker 2: and so you're not gonna all of a sudden decide
Speaker 2: and stop caring overnight. But I think that gradually, if
Speaker 2: you have it in your mind and you're continually every
Speaker 2: day reinforcing the way in which you like to the
Speaker 2: way in which you want to maneuver around the world.
Speaker 2: Over time, you will find yourself being able to uh
Speaker 2: do that more easily without being so afraid. What do
Speaker 2: you think about all of that?
Speaker 5: I think that's a really really good idea, and I
Speaker 5: think I'm going to try to start figuring out what
Speaker 5: i want good and uh yeah, I think I think
Speaker 5: I'll start start figuring that out and trying to do
Speaker 5: that more intentionally.
Speaker 2: Good. I think you should, because if you if you
Speaker 2: aren't adding intention to it, which and I think you are,
Speaker 2: and you know, if you don't, then you end up
Speaker 2: just sort of being swung away by the whims of
Speaker 2: whatever other people want you to be or are judging
Speaker 2: you as. Before we go, Jack, I know that this
Speaker 2: is a loaded fucking question to answer as a little
Speaker 2: wrap up, but do you have a semblance of an
Speaker 2: idea of the answers to any of these questions as
Speaker 2: to who you want to be? Well?
Speaker 5: I want to be an astronaut and I want to
Speaker 5: I want to feel good about myself. I know those
Speaker 5: are two very different things, but those are things that
Speaker 5: I want. I just want to say that I really
Speaker 5: appreciate you taking this call I'm sorry that I kind
Speaker 5: of fumbled the ball there, but in the beginning I
Speaker 5: really wasn't expecting me to get on.
Speaker 2: Oh you've You've been in a perfectly pleasant and genuine Jack,
Speaker 2: and we really appreciate it.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, and I hope you have a great evening and
Speaker 5: thank you again.
Speaker 2: Have a good night, Jack.
Speaker 5: Bye.
Speaker 2: Well, if a man ever did deserve to go to space,
Speaker 2: it would be Jack. Okay, I'm still processing the astronaut thing.
Speaker 2: Was that whole thing about him wanting to be an astronaut?
Speaker 2: Does Jack walk around and like full on astronaut gear?
Speaker 2: Power to him if he does. By the way, I'm
Speaker 2: not judging him, but I just want to know to
Speaker 2: what level of prominence in his life is the astronaut thing.
Speaker 2: I hope it happens for it. How hard does this
Speaker 2: become an astronaut? How many people have gone to space?
Speaker 2: Total doesn't matter. I think he can do it. I
Speaker 2: think he can do it. Hello, Alexis, Yeah, what's up
Speaker 2: with you?
Speaker 6: I have been dating my fiance, well, been engaged for
Speaker 6: a year, dating him for five and I just cannot
Speaker 6: get over this feeling of wanting to cheat on him.
Speaker 2: Okay, since you're twenty five years old. You've been dating
Speaker 2: your fiancea for Hewong again.
Speaker 1: So five years.
Speaker 6: We've been dating, one year, we've been engaged, so six
Speaker 6: all together.
Speaker 2: Okay, why do you why do you think you're having
Speaker 2: or just cheat on him?
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's really strange because.
Speaker 6: We have a really great relationship.
Speaker 3: I'm emotionally said by him.
Speaker 4: I absolutely love him.
Speaker 6: You know, we have this a really great relationship.
Speaker 3: We spend so much time together. And it's not that
Speaker 3: I don't want to be with him.
Speaker 6: I love him so much.
Speaker 3: It's just such a strange feeling though.
Speaker 4: I'll just be.
Speaker 6: In a random situation and be like, I totally do
Speaker 6: it right now and.
Speaker 3: He would never know.
Speaker 6: But it makes you feel like an awful person because
Speaker 6: I have these feelings.
Speaker 2: Okay, you're having urges to cheat on your boyfriend? Now,
Speaker 2: I have a question. Are you having urges to sleep
Speaker 2: with other guys? Or are you or are you having
Speaker 2: urges specifically to cheat on your boyfriend? Like, are you
Speaker 2: thinking to yourself you know, shit, I kind of you know,
Speaker 2: I kind of want to break up with my guy
Speaker 2: and go see other people. Or are you thinking to yourself,
Speaker 2: I specifically want to go see other people and then
Speaker 2: return to my relationship with nothing having with him having
Speaker 2: been done in the white.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I definitely don't want to end things with him.
Speaker 3: He's an amazing guy. We have such an amazing relationship.
Speaker 3: I'm emotionally said mentally, I mean, I for see a future,
Speaker 3: like for the rest of my life with this person.
Speaker 3: It's just like an overwhelming thing that I just can't
Speaker 3: get out of my head.
Speaker 2: Have you discussed this with him?
Speaker 1: Oh? My god?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 2: Really? Why not?
Speaker 3: So? First of all, I feel like that would be
Speaker 3: like a relationship or ruiner in my opinion, because like
Speaker 3: how do you come back from that, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, Like, how would he ever anything?
Speaker 2: Situation? For sure? But I mean, I mean, it is
Speaker 2: your truth, It is how you're feeling. Yeah, do you
Speaker 2: have a therapist? Do you have a real therapist?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: So I was seeing one for a while and then
Speaker 3: COVID kind of hit and I didn't really like the
Speaker 3: virtual thing. So I haven't had one for a while.
Speaker 3: But before then, yeah, I did have a pretty set one.
Speaker 3: But I mean also, so he was in a pretty
Speaker 3: long term relationship before I met him, and she cheated
Speaker 3: on him, and it's like kind of absolutely devastated him,
Speaker 3: and he's talked to me about like the emotional damage
Speaker 3: she's had from it, So like I also, I wouldn't
Speaker 3: want to just bring it up, like, hey, this is
Speaker 3: like something that I'm thinking of, because I know he's
Speaker 3: gone through like the trauma of that before.
Speaker 2: Let's dig a little bit deeper into the urges themselves.
Speaker 2: What do we know about them? What is propelling them?
Speaker 2: Do we have any information about well, are these like sexual?
Speaker 2: Are these uh compulsions of of adrenaline or or you
Speaker 2: want to do bad things maybe intrusive reasons? Like what
Speaker 2: what do we? What do we what's our current read
Speaker 2: on these urges? And you know from from your perspective,
Speaker 2: So I.
Speaker 3: Think it could be a couple of things. I mean,
Speaker 3: I know that I have a tendency to kind of
Speaker 3: ruin good things, and I know that this is a
Speaker 3: really great thing, so it could be just like me
Speaker 3: trying to ruin it. But then I also think it's
Speaker 3: it's a very real, just very pure sexual thing.
Speaker 2: Why do you have a tendency to ruin good things?
Speaker 3: Because uh, well I do have some abandonment issues. So
Speaker 3: I think it's kind of like a all all screw
Speaker 3: it up instead of them leaving me.
Speaker 2: M all right, I mean here's here's the truth is.
Speaker 2: This is this is we're definitely in real therapist territory
Speaker 2: here because you got something going on for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're self aware of the fact that you got something
Speaker 2: I do. Yeah yeah, okay, And have you have you
Speaker 2: siated on him yet?
Speaker 3: So and like no, no, I haven't. I feel like
Speaker 3: the situation would kind of have to like line up
Speaker 3: in very specific like perfect scenario for me to actually
Speaker 3: do it. But I think like one of the biggest
Speaker 3: things too for me is like when I was you know, dating,
Speaker 3: casualty and kind of balancing, I think the thing that
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed was like the newness of things, so
Speaker 3: you know what they're going to be like you know right, yeah,
Speaker 3: So I think that's so. I think that's something that
Speaker 3: definitely plays into it. Is like the newness obviously, like
Speaker 3: after six years is like completely gone.
Speaker 2: Do you have a desire to fix these urges or
Speaker 2: I mean, how do you do you do you want
Speaker 2: to not feel this way?
Speaker 3: Absolutely?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 3: So this is like this is the end all be
Speaker 3: all for me, Like this is the person that I
Speaker 3: want to spend my life with. I can see myself
Speaker 3: growing gold with I don't want to ruin it. It's
Speaker 3: just this weird, like underlying, like just thing that comes
Speaker 3: into my head like pops up and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: I get out of here.
Speaker 2: Sure it's an intrusive thought. And by the way, I
Speaker 2: don't know. All of my theories about life and everything
Speaker 2: are all works and progress, and this is one of
Speaker 2: them that is a little work in progress. But I
Speaker 2: kind of feel like we can't argue or reason with
Speaker 2: our feelings. I feel like they just happen. They're just
Speaker 2: presented to us and we're like, all right, fuck right,
Speaker 2: you know the words You're like, You're like, what if
Speaker 2: I on my perfect like a fuck? What are I?
Speaker 2: You know, like you almost you're almost like helpless. You
Speaker 2: know the way that you feel what you are in control?
Speaker 2: Love is of course, you know the way that uh
Speaker 2: you know what what what you act on, how you
Speaker 2: perceive your feelings, how you uh, as I said, act
Speaker 2: on your feelings, and uh you could take a proactive
Speaker 2: step here. I don't know how to change your feelings.
Speaker 2: I have no idea.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: That's why you should probably go to like a real
Speaker 2: therapist person and they'll tell you more informed sid see things.
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, I mean, you
Speaker 2: gotta deal with this because you know, we both know
Speaker 2: it's not fair for your you to marry this guy
Speaker 2: while he has just no fucking idea what's going on
Speaker 2: with you? You know? So for sure? Yeah, look, I
Speaker 2: don't think you're a bad person for feeling this way,
Speaker 2: but you should probably figure out how to deal with
Speaker 2: these feelings in a productive manner toward what you actually
Speaker 2: want in life, which you are telling me it has
Speaker 2: to be with this guy. I don't know how exactly
Speaker 2: you do that. We've defined the goal, which is we
Speaker 2: need to sort out these feelings before we marry this guy.
Speaker 2: We know that that's the what. As far as the how,
Speaker 2: that's that's uh that you can talk about with your
Speaker 2: real therapist. Yeah, okay, So there anything else you want
Speaker 2: to say to the computer before we go? GEK be
Speaker 2: with you, GEK bless cee, Alexis gack blessed.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 5: Have a good night.
Speaker 2: Hello, Hi, get Hi? Is this Regina?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: How are you doing? Regina?
Speaker 4: I'm doing all right?
Speaker 2: What's going on with you at this very moment? What
Speaker 2: are you looking at right now. I want to sort
Speaker 2: of put myself where you are.
Speaker 4: Well, right now, I'm on my way back from work,
Speaker 4: so I'm passing my like homegate type situation.
Speaker 2: Are you in a car?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: Okay, what do you just tell me? Just describe to
Speaker 2: me what you're looking at right now?
Speaker 4: Big green car interior. I have like a four door
Speaker 4: type a big truck kind of car, and it's just roads.
Speaker 4: I live in Florida, so it's like trees and shit.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I feel like you said the scene
Speaker 2: pretty well, I'm looking at trees and road and cars.
Speaker 4: Yep, speed bump that has passed. Speed bump. I actually
Speaker 4: almost missed it. So that was it? Hurt a little bit?
Speaker 2: Regina? Yeah, how can I get you this evening?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 4: So I actually have like some kind of big family
Speaker 4: issue going on in my house right now in regards
Speaker 4: to my may or may not be. I don't know
Speaker 4: if I'm even like allowed to say, but Narco uncle,
Speaker 4: now I guess.
Speaker 2: Narco. Yeah, okay, what's going on with your NARCOA?
Speaker 4: So okay, So to give a little bit of backstory,
Speaker 4: my grandmother passed away like in twenty sixteen, side twenty
Speaker 4: fifteen from a stroke, and after that everything kind of
Speaker 4: like went downtill because before that my mom had given
Speaker 4: my uncle my college fund and my brother's college fund
Speaker 4: to like build house because of what he does. He's
Speaker 4: a construction worker what he used to be, and so
Speaker 4: he built her house. That was fine, everything was going good.
Speaker 4: My grandmother passed away and silence. We didn't know where
Speaker 4: my grandmother's body was. We didn't know what he did
Speaker 4: with all her stuff, We didn't know what happened to
Speaker 4: the house.
Speaker 6: And so.
Speaker 4: Later we found out that he actually went underground because
Speaker 4: the people that he was working with, they he was
Speaker 4: basically cleaning their money, but with real estate in Mexico,
Speaker 4: like constructing them houses with the money that she would
Speaker 4: give them to, I guess clean it. And that's essentially
Speaker 4: what the PI told us, which is like why he's
Speaker 4: like underground. Now. The issue is that this has happened
Speaker 4: in like twenty sixteen, twenty sixteen, and we haven't been
Speaker 4: able to like really locate him, and so like the
Speaker 4: issue now is that if my mom presses charges, because
Speaker 4: it's in Mexico, there's like there's like a whole like
Speaker 4: there's like a whole other like system over there. And
Speaker 4: also if she presses charges because of the people that
Speaker 4: he's working with, my family, like my immediate family might
Speaker 4: be put at risk. And if he goes to jail,
Speaker 4: he can be killed. So it's kind of like a
Speaker 4: do we do something and kill him or do we
Speaker 4: do something and get us killed?
Speaker 2: You're considering trying to get him killed?
Speaker 4: No, no, no, I mean if my mom ends up
Speaker 4: pressing charges and he ends up going to prison, usually
Speaker 4: in that line of work, you end up getting killed
Speaker 4: in prison.
Speaker 2: Oh okay over there. Why would he end up getting
Speaker 2: killed in prison?
Speaker 4: Well, the PI said, he's like in some really like
Speaker 4: shit over there, Like it's apparently really bad, and so
Speaker 4: like the chances of him being okay in there or
Speaker 4: like not that great from what we were told.
Speaker 2: So okay, So you are concerned about whether or not
Speaker 2: to press charges because you think that it might get
Speaker 2: your uncle killed in prison.
Speaker 4: Yes, and or also like if it doesn't, it might
Speaker 4: expose my immediate family to danger if he decides to
Speaker 4: retaliate because he's like not secorative the guy.
Speaker 2: So okay, So you're afraid of either getting him killed
Speaker 2: or getting you guys killed. What are the advantages of
Speaker 2: pressing charges what do you receive in return?
Speaker 1: We don't really.
Speaker 4: Know if we can get the money back because, like
Speaker 4: we said, because he's underground, we don't really know what
Speaker 4: his economic status is, so we're not really sure if
Speaker 4: we can get the money back. But I mean, for me,
Speaker 4: a pro would be that he wouldn't cont anybody else.
Speaker 4: And also, like I guess his justification is like because
Speaker 4: like my brother and I don't have a college fund anymore.
Speaker 4: You know, like it's just like, yes, some types of justice,
Speaker 4: so you.
Speaker 2: Believe that that money is just kind of gone and
Speaker 2: not coming back, and that there's no legal action that
Speaker 2: you can take to get it back.
Speaker 4: Essentially, yeah, that's like worst case scenario because there isn't
Speaker 4: even like a lot of evidence. I guess you can
Speaker 4: say because you know, my mom didn't expect her brother
Speaker 4: to jobble across her like that, you know, like it
Speaker 4: was all like word of mouth cash exchange.
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, man, this feels like it's all a
Speaker 2: question of where your values lie, because your whole thing
Speaker 2: is that the advantages of taking of pressing charges would
Speaker 2: be that he can't do this to anyone else, and
Speaker 2: you can get him off the streets, to stop scamming
Speaker 2: people or doing whatever it is he does in this
Speaker 2: line of work that's not good. You could do that,
Speaker 2: but it would be at the risk to yourself, and
Speaker 2: you know, the question is whether or not you are
Speaker 2: willing to take that risk in order to see some
Speaker 2: kind of justice. I don't think you are right or
Speaker 2: wrong either way. If you think that continuing to be
Speaker 2: involved in this situation with your uncle will put you
Speaker 2: or your family in danger, I don't think it would
Speaker 2: be remiss of you. I don't know if I'm using
Speaker 2: that word right, but whatever, I can say whatever I
Speaker 2: want on here, I don't think it would be a
Speaker 2: remiss of you. It doesn't matter now it means something.
Speaker 2: I don't think it would be that bad of you
Speaker 2: to call it quits and just continue living your life
Speaker 2: and ignore that your uncle ever existed. But if you
Speaker 2: really want to see him off the streets, and you
Speaker 2: really do feel like whatever he's doing is vile enough
Speaker 2: that it's worth putting yourself at risk, then that's a
Speaker 2: decision that you can make. But where are you leaning
Speaker 2: towards now.
Speaker 4: It's just like, like, at this point, we're all pretty
Speaker 4: frustrated because my entire family wants different things. Like I
Speaker 4: personally just I do want him to face a little
Speaker 4: bit of justice for his actions, but like with least
Speaker 4: amount of coms possible, Like if there's a way that
Speaker 4: we can just like I don't know, like make him
Speaker 4: give us back the money, like quietly or something like
Speaker 4: something chilled, then like that'd be enough for me. And
Speaker 4: then he just disappears, like.
Speaker 2: Not like death, but like just have you been talking
Speaker 2: to a lawyer.
Speaker 4: Not a lawyer, Well, yeah, kind of a lawyer, like
Speaker 4: in between a police officer a lawyer and like a
Speaker 4: PI kind of situation.
Speaker 2: Okay, does that situation that you described, you know, according
Speaker 2: to the people that you've been working with, does that
Speaker 2: situation that you've described exist?
Speaker 4: Kind of not, because what would end up happening is
Speaker 4: because there are not there is not a lot of evidence.
Speaker 4: They would basically find him, drag him into the light
Speaker 4: and kind of see if he's done any other illegal
Speaker 4: stuff over there and kind of pin him for that,
Speaker 4: and then we'll see what we can get from that.
Speaker 2: Okay, So you say everybody in the family wants different things,
Speaker 2: What does the rest of the family want.
Speaker 4: Well, my mom's pretty distraught because you know, that's her
Speaker 4: brother of like life. So she's pretty like, you know,
Speaker 4: I just she doesn't really want to deal with that anymore.
Speaker 4: My dad, he does want to kill him because he
Speaker 4: you know that my dad has worked, Ye, my dad
Speaker 4: he brought our family here from over there, so he
Speaker 4: has worked pretty hard for what we have, So for
Speaker 4: something like that to happen was pretty was pretty bad.
Speaker 4: So that was essentially his life saving just went away
Speaker 4: over something so stupid. And my brother, he he's kind
Speaker 4: of like bummed. He's kind of like man, you know,
Speaker 4: like he like, I don't really give a shit about
Speaker 4: like my college stuff. But it's like a really break kid.
Speaker 4: And he got accepted into like a lot of college
Speaker 4: places and he's not able to go because we just
Speaker 4: we don't have it.
Speaker 2: Hm hm. So getting the money back is not on
Speaker 2: the table. It doesn't sound like.
Speaker 4: Honestly, I don't think so it's it's like the least
Speaker 4: pressing manner that they have over there.
Speaker 2: Because it's like, well, Regina, well, Regina, Regina. Look, I mean,
Speaker 2: if you're asking me personally, I'm not a big vengeance guy.
Speaker 2: I'm not a big justice guy. I'm you know, when
Speaker 2: something like this happens. I'm on the side of like, Okay,
Speaker 2: this happened. What can I personally do now to make
Speaker 2: my life better as a result. You know, I accept
Speaker 2: the things I can't control. So if the money is
Speaker 2: gone and it's gone and you can't get it back,
Speaker 2: then you know, I would accept that and then figure
Speaker 2: out the best way to move on. If it takes
Speaker 2: a bunch more time, energy, and maybe even more money
Speaker 2: to get a lawyer, then you have to ask yourself
Speaker 2: if it is worth your time. And I assume that
Speaker 2: your mom and your dad are doing the heavy lifting
Speaker 2: on this, and that you're sort of in the background.
Speaker 2: And while you're in the background, I would remove yourself
Speaker 2: from the situation a little bit. You're trying to one
Speaker 2: years old. What do you do? Are you in college? No,
Speaker 2: you're not in college right now? Are you working?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I see stray cats.
Speaker 2: You said you save stray cats.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I save them, and I see them.
Speaker 3: For like cash.
Speaker 2: Okay, great, so o, Regina. I would lean into whatever
Speaker 2: you're doing with your own life. I would sort of
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, your parents are gonna do what
Speaker 2: they're gonna do. They're adults. I mean, you're an adult too,
Speaker 2: But you know what I mean, I would just lean
Speaker 2: into your own life right now and not spend so
Speaker 2: much more because your uncle has already taken so much
Speaker 2: away from you. Don't let him take away your time
Speaker 2: and your mental energy as well, because that's also a
Speaker 2: finite resource that you don't want to give away to
Speaker 2: him when you can be focused on doing other things.
Speaker 2: Does that make sense?
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, thank you for your unbiased opinion. I really
Speaker 4: appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Is there anything else you want to say to the
Speaker 2: people of the computer before we go?
Speaker 4: Honestly to you, Gek, I really love your stream and
Speaker 4: I watch them as much as I can, and you know,
Speaker 4: those two out there listening, and they really appreciate you,
Speaker 4: you know, chat it's pretty lively. They're great. Everybody's great.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Hey, thank you Regina, and thank you for
Speaker 2: saving those cats. I'm sure they appreciate the food and stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, hopefully.
Speaker 2: Hey, have a goo night, Regina.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you too.
Speaker 2: Goes on the line thanking your phone calls every night.
Speaker 2: An expert