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Speaker 1: Hello, is this lie?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Is this Heath? It is.

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Speaker 1: Crazy that I'm actually talking to you.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm happy to happy to hear from you. You

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Speaker 2: got the same name as that actor who died.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how everybody knows who he's that or the

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Speaker 1: candy bar.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm, well Heath does see Heath. I feel like

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Speaker 2: this is going to be a chill call.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, why not.

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Speaker 2: What's going on with the Heath?

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm in a predicament that I've never been before, Heathy.

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Speaker 2: It says here that you accidentally threw away your sister's

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Speaker 2: roommates dad's ashes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. It's like I I I laugh, I giggle because

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Speaker 1: it's so horrible. It's like there's not really any other

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let me let me, let me let me slow

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Speaker 2: this down real quick. Okay, sisters roommates, dad's ashes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so my sister lives in a house with a

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Speaker 1: couple of people. One of those people's dad died. I

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Speaker 2: Okay, so tell me how you ended up throwing away

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Speaker 2: the ashes.

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Speaker 1: Well, basically, the the house that my sister and everybody

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Speaker 1: rents is getting tinted for termites tomorrow, so they have

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Speaker 1: And so my sister actually is sick, so I went

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Speaker 1: There was tons of trash, like literally a massive pile

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Speaker 1: And we were just cleaning all that out, stuff that

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Speaker 1: know that like cat litter type stuff that janitors use

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Speaker 2: I thought it was that you thought it was catletter,

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Speaker 1: Some some along than live. I mean, it's I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you've ever seen ashes. I never have before.

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Speaker 1: I mean I have now. I didn't know it though,

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Speaker 1: but that's not what I pictured them looking like. You know,

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Speaker 1: I thought it would be like, I don't know, ashes,

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Speaker 1: It was like cat litter almost m h.

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Speaker 2: And so you threw them what?

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean we were trying to save some

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Speaker 1: was not going to be one of those things. Little

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Speaker 2: What happens when your sister's roommate found.

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Speaker 1: Out, Well, she didn't know right away because, like I said,

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Speaker 1: She was aware that we were cleaning that room though,

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Speaker 1: And I think that's important because I don't mean to

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Speaker 1: We actually in the moment joked saying, oh, that might

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Speaker 2: You joked beforehand.

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Speaker 1: That well, I mean to say joked that. We weren't

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Speaker 2: I feel like you cosmically played alf when you said that, Well,

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Speaker 2: If we didn't say that, So tell us about and

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Speaker 2: then here we are the reaction from yeah, your sister,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, how I initially realized they suspected something happened.

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Speaker 1: Was my sister FaceTime and was like, hey, so Shelby,

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Speaker 1: she was just wondering where it went. And like immediately

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Speaker 1: as soon as she said that, I knew exactly what

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Speaker 1: it was mainly texting her because their roommates, and so

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Speaker 1: she was just like, yeah, we accidentally threw them away,

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Speaker 1: gave some excuse. She just like ignored everybody for a while.

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Speaker 1: Literally drove to some landfills and was trying to find it,

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Speaker 1: to go to a landfill. I had no idea where

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Speaker 1: it went though, And then it ended where Shelley ended

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Speaker 1: up being with somebody else and Anyways, she she sent

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Speaker 1: and her step mom did too.

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Speaker 2: She text to your.

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Speaker 1: They were just like, how could.

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Speaker 3: You do this?

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Speaker 1: How did you not even question that this might be

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Speaker 2: Do you have the text message?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Can we hear it?

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Speaker 1: The text message that they sent that like the stepmom sent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the text message that the step mom sent to you?

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Speaker 1: Okay, they she said, this is Cheryl Shelby's stepmom. I

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Speaker 1: would greatly appreciate an explanation as to how that's all taps.

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Speaker 1: You could soak carelessly throw away my fiances and Shelby's

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Speaker 1: father's remains in the garbage. This is the most horrifying

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Speaker 1: If you ran across something that wasn't familiar to you,

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Speaker 1: why in God's name would you not ask your roommates?

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Speaker 1: Shelby told you both. She was putting her father's ashes

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Speaker 1: in the cabinet in the laundry room due to Marley,

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Speaker 1: that's her dog. How could you do this? How if

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Speaker 1: to go to the landfill to find him, you better

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Speaker 1: be right beside her helping you and Tally and he's

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Speaker 1: This is the most inconsiderate, cruel thing I've ever experienced. Imagine,

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Speaker 1: just imagine if this was one of your parents. Make

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Speaker 2: Wait, make this right, Bella? Why did you say at

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Speaker 1: Well, because she sent that text specifically to Bella.

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Speaker 2: Why would she Santa Belli, you're the one to throw

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Speaker 1: Well, we both did it, was we literally I grabbed

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Well, so she said that you need

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Speaker 1: Well, I was if she was going to be at

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Speaker 1: I think we're never going to find it, but I

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Speaker 2: And did you end up going to the landfill?

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Speaker 1: Well, I drove to a couple, but she was ahead

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Speaker 1: I wasn't talking to her. I was getting relayed messages

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Speaker 2: Have you seen the step mom or the daughter since

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Speaker 1: No, this this has unfolded in the last like four hours,

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Speaker 2: This was this is this is in the past four hours.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is literally today, like I'm in the middle

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, you are so heavily procrastinating on dealing

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Speaker 1: Maybe that is the case.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so when did you get sent that text?

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Speaker 1: That text was sent at eight thirty and it is

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Speaker 2: Have have you responded to it yet? How do you?

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Speaker 2: How do you respond to something like that?

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Speaker 1: Well? I don't know, and I don't feel like it's

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Speaker 1: and knows, Like I'm pretty sure there's some traumatic story

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Speaker 1: to her relationship with her dad and everything like and

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Speaker 1: then he like died of some horrible like of COVID

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Speaker 1: was very beaten up about it.

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Speaker 2: And yeah sure, well okay, So if you believe that

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Speaker 2: Bella is about to take most of the heat, are

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Speaker 2: you going to stand up and say it was both

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Speaker 2: of us?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, And I've tried to say that as much

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Speaker 1: they don't have my phone number, and they're not trying

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Speaker 1: they're blaming her, and I can't even like I've said

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Speaker 1: it was both of us. I can respond to everybody,

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Speaker 1: but like they're still not really I think they've made

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Speaker 1: it might be malicious. That's kind of the vibe I'm getting.

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Speaker 2: So you are in the absolute midst of this situation

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Speaker 2: I like that you're saying it's not going to affect

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Speaker 2: Have you thought at all, because because eventually, eventually, I

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Speaker 2: Me getting slapped in the face.

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Speaker 1: Not to make things right, But my buddy gave me

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Speaker 2: Maybe you find out about the father. What did he

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Speaker 2: and I'm happy to have given you a brief suspension

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Speaker 1: Alrighty. Well, thanks Lotle. I appreciate the chat.

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Speaker 2: Is there anything else you want to say to the

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Speaker 1: Before we go, Yes, I would like to say, you know,

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Speaker 1: know what you think you know. Harrison, I love you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for calling Heath hie to assume makes an

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: How's it going, Jack?

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Speaker 5: It's going pretty okay. I thought i'd be more nervous,

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Speaker 2: Really, tell me more about what's going on in your

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Speaker 5: It's it's okay, it's slowly going up a bit. I

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Speaker 2: Well, Jack, I think I'm okay, how can I get

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Speaker 5: Well, I I don't know. I've been seeing a lot

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's you just said, like a lot of stuff.

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Speaker 6: Well.

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Speaker 5: Pretty much? It's more like there have been times where

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Speaker 5: That's a really good question. It mostly happened in college.

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Speaker 5: They're just like, oh, I don't know, there's just something

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Speaker 2: So Jack, are these things you say you see things

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Speaker 5: These are things that I am They're related because I'm

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Speaker 2: Okay, but they're not related because your friends aren't scared

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Speaker 2: Okay, Which thing do you think would be more beneficial

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Speaker 5: Probably seeing things? I think that's really interesting And I

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Speaker 2: Why what do you what have you been seeing?

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Speaker 2: People, You've been seeing people who aren't there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I know it sounds really weird, but it's been

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Speaker 2: Okay, tell me about these people that you're seeing that

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Speaker 5: Sometimes it's like my dad. I'm not exactly sure why,

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Speaker 5: something and be watching me through a window, And then

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00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 5: I'd look again and they weren't.

441
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 2: There is your dad alive?

442
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 5: Yeah he is. He's old, but he is.

443
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 2: Okay, what's the relationship like with him?

444
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 5: Uh? Complicated? I don't know. I there was a lot when,

445
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 5: like when I was younger, he would get really really angry,

446
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 5: and it was a really difficult time in my life.

447
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 5: It was hard to live with him. My mom tried

448
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 5: to separate from him, but it didn't really happen. I

449
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 5: think that might be where my anxiety comes from, but

450
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 5: I'm not exactly sure.

451
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 2: So, Jack, you say that you talk to a real

452
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 2: therapist about this stuff, right, Yeah. And what does your

453
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 2: real therapist tell you when you tell them this, Well,

454
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 2: they kind.

455
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 5: Of agree with me. But we're working on a path

456
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 5: right now to to stop seeing people and to move

457
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 5: on from the anxiety. He thinks that it might be

458
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:24,199
Speaker 5: like a relation between me worrying about people like, uh,

459
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 5: how they look at me and feeling like watched. I guess,

460
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 5: like all of my actions, you know, being watched and judged.

461
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 2: Okay, so we're coming a little bit full circle. Your

462
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 2: therapist is saying that these two things that I thought

463
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 2: were not related are related. Yeah, okay. Uh, so you

464
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 2: said your therapist is putting out a path for you.

465
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 2: What does this path look like?

466
00:28:54,680 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 5: Well, it's kind of like kind of like getting more

467
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 5: of like involved, I guess, and like how like what

468
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 5: I'm thinking like or not what I'm thinking about, like

469
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 5: getting more involved in my anxiety. So basically trying to

470
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 5: open myself up more in public situations and trying to

471
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 5: be more present. I wore a face mask a lot

472
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 5: during the pandemic, but after I still wore it because

473
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 5: I liked having my face covered up. And I also

474
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 5: wore a hat a lot because I didn't like people

475
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:30,239
Speaker 5: seeing me. So I'm trying to avoid that by not

476
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 5: wearing a hat or a mask and trying to talk

477
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 5: to people more. But it can be a little tough

478
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 5: at times.

479
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 2: Okay, so your therapist believes that your anxiety over being

480
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 2: perceived is what's causing you to see people that aren't there,

481
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 2: because it's some psychological thing of you manifesting the idea

482
00:29:53,840 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 2: that you're being watched. Yeah, so you wore a hat,

483
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 2: you wore face mask around because you didn't want to

484
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 2: be seen. Why are you afraid of being seen?

485
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 5: Because I am really afraid of how people view me,

486
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 5: and I think that they're judging me a lot, and uh,

487
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 5: I don't know. I guess I'm just afraid of not

488
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 5: fitting in, Okay, being different, you know, wearing things that

489
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 5: would make me stand out.

490
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 2: What about you do you believe is different?

491
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 5: Well, it's the thing. I try to not be different.

492
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:47,959
Speaker 5: But I guess I'm just not. I like, I don't know,

493
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 5: I don't like the same you know, pop culture things

494
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 5: that people like, or I don't have similar interest to

495
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 5: a lot of people. And uh, it's kind of hard

496
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 5: to get involved with like, you know, friend groups and

497
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 5: things like that. And so yeah, I mean, I don't know.

498
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 5: I've dealt with rejection a lot.

499
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,719
Speaker 2: Well tell me that, tell me that's jack. But I'm

500
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 2: sorry to interrupt you, but you said that you try

501
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 2: not to stand out actively because you have this fear

502
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 2: of being judged. But yeah, in your heart of hearts,

503
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 2: your analysis of who you are and how you genuinely

504
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 2: would like to be and would like to present yourself

505
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 2: and would like to maneuver about the world, what does

506
00:31:52,240 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 2: that look like without any consideration of what other people

507
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 2: or what societal norms have to say? Do understand that question?

508
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 5: Like, how do I want to live my life without

509
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 5: like thinking about what other people do. Yes, that's a

510
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 5: really really good question. I don't know. Actually, I kind

511
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 5: of feel like I've been doing this for so long

512
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 5: that I forgot who I who I really was, And uh,

513
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 5: I guess it would be good to try to reconnect

514
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 5: with that person, because then I could maybe feel better.

515
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 6: You know.

516
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 2: I agree with you completely. And by the way, I

517
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 2: don't you know. Look, it says you're in nineteen Is

518
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 2: that is that true?

519
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 5: That's correct?

520
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, so you've been living like this for a while,

521
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 2: just in really strong fear of what other people think

522
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 2: of you, And I think that's okay, you know, that's like,

523
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 2: I think that's I think that's how a lot of

524
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 2: people start. I feel like I've got a pretty good

525
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 2: handle on myself and who I am, and I started

526
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 2: out afraid of what other people think of me. And

527
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people start afraid of what

528
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 2: people think of them, and then they sort of decide

529
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,719
Speaker 2: that they're going to put forth effort against that, and

530
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 2: then they go on to live more meaningful lives, expressing

531
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 2: themselves and being who they are. And so I don't

532
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 2: think you're behind. I don't think that you're at a disadvantage.

533
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 2: I think that you're on an upward trajectory, and I

534
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 2: also think you're on an upward rejector because you're fucking

535
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 2: going to therapy. You're realizing this is an issue, and

536
00:33:54,960 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 2: you're making upwards steps into fixing it. I'm glad to

537
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: hear that you just said on that, because I think

538
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 2: you should sit back, take a little bit of time

539
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 2: to think about how you actually want to be. A

540
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 2: lot of people don't even do that. A lot of

541
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 2: people don't even sit down and think, Okay, who am

542
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 2: I actually, how do I want to present myself? How

543
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 2: do I want to be? What are what is my

544
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: idea of a good person? What is my idea of

545
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 2: the right way to live a life? And it's okay

546
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 2: to really take some time to think about this stuff,

547
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 2: write some of the stuff down, even And then you

548
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 2: know you're programmed mentally right now to just care what

549
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 2: other people think of you, because that's how you've been living,

550
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 2: and so you're not gonna all of a sudden decide

551
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 2: and stop caring overnight. But I think that gradually, if

552
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: you have it in your mind and you're continually every

553
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 2: day reinforcing the way in which you like to the

554
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 2: way in which you want to maneuver around the world.

555
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 2: Over time, you will find yourself being able to uh

556
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 2: do that more easily without being so afraid. What do

557
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 2: you think about all of that?

558
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 5: I think that's a really really good idea, and I

559
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 5: think I'm going to try to start figuring out what

560
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 5: i want good and uh yeah, I think I think

561
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 5: I'll start start figuring that out and trying to do

562
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 5: that more intentionally.

563
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 2: Good. I think you should, because if you if you

564
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 2: aren't adding intention to it, which and I think you are,

565
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 2: and you know, if you don't, then you end up

566
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 2: just sort of being swung away by the whims of

567
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 2: whatever other people want you to be or are judging

568
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 2: you as. Before we go, Jack, I know that this

569
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: is a loaded fucking question to answer as a little

570
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 2: wrap up, but do you have a semblance of an

571
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 2: idea of the answers to any of these questions as

572
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 2: to who you want to be? Well?

573
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 5: I want to be an astronaut and I want to

574
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 5: I want to feel good about myself. I know those

575
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 5: are two very different things, but those are things that

576
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 5: I want. I just want to say that I really

577
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 5: appreciate you taking this call I'm sorry that I kind

578
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 5: of fumbled the ball there, but in the beginning I

579
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 5: really wasn't expecting me to get on.

580
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 2: Oh you've You've been in a perfectly pleasant and genuine Jack,

581
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:04,959
Speaker 2: and we really appreciate it.

582
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 5: Absolutely, and I hope you have a great evening and

583
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 5: thank you again.

584
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:13,439
Speaker 2: Have a good night, Jack.

585
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 5: Bye.

586
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 2: Well, if a man ever did deserve to go to space,

587
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 2: it would be Jack. Okay, I'm still processing the astronaut thing.

588
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 2: Was that whole thing about him wanting to be an astronaut?

589
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 2: Does Jack walk around and like full on astronaut gear?

590
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 2: Power to him if he does. By the way, I'm

591
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 2: not judging him, but I just want to know to

592
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 2: what level of prominence in his life is the astronaut thing.

593
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 2: I hope it happens for it. How hard does this

594
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 2: become an astronaut? How many people have gone to space?

595
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 2: Total doesn't matter. I think he can do it. I

596
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 2: think he can do it. Hello, Alexis, Yeah, what's up

597
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 2: with you?

598
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 6: I have been dating my fiance, well, been engaged for

599
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 6: a year, dating him for five and I just cannot

600
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 6: get over this feeling of wanting to cheat on him.

601
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 2: Okay, since you're twenty five years old. You've been dating

602
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 2: your fiancea for Hewong again.

603
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: So five years.

604
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 6: We've been dating, one year, we've been engaged, so six

605
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 6: all together.

606
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 2: Okay, why do you why do you think you're having

607
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 2: or just cheat on him?

608
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 6: I don't know.

609
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 3: It's really strange because.

610
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 6: We have a really great relationship.

611
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 3: I'm emotionally said by him.

612
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 4: I absolutely love him.

613
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 6: You know, we have this a really great relationship.

614
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 3: We spend so much time together. And it's not that

615
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 3: I don't want to be with him.

616
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 6: I love him so much.

617
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 3: It's just such a strange feeling though.

618
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 4: I'll just be.

619
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 6: In a random situation and be like, I totally do

620
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 6: it right now and.

621
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 3: He would never know.

622
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 6: But it makes you feel like an awful person because

623
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 6: I have these feelings.

624
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 2: Okay, you're having urges to cheat on your boyfriend? Now,

625
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 2: I have a question. Are you having urges to sleep

626
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 2: with other guys? Or are you or are you having

627
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 2: urges specifically to cheat on your boyfriend? Like, are you

628
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 2: thinking to yourself you know, shit, I kind of you know,

629
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:47,959
Speaker 2: I kind of want to break up with my guy

630
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 2: and go see other people. Or are you thinking to yourself,

631
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 2: I specifically want to go see other people and then

632
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 2: return to my relationship with nothing having with him having

633
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 2: been done in the white.

634
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I definitely don't want to end things with him.

635
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 3: He's an amazing guy. We have such an amazing relationship.

636
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 3: I'm emotionally said mentally, I mean, I for see a future,

637
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 3: like for the rest of my life with this person.

638
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 3: It's just like an overwhelming thing that I just can't

639
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 3: get out of my head.

640
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 2: Have you discussed this with him?

641
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 1: Oh? My god?

642
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 6: No?

643
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 2: Really? Why not?

644
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 3: So? First of all, I feel like that would be

645
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 3: like a relationship or ruiner in my opinion, because like

646
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 3: how do you come back from that, you know what

647
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 3: I mean, Like, how would he ever anything?

648
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 2: Situation? For sure? But I mean, I mean, it is

649
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 2: your truth, It is how you're feeling. Yeah, do you

650
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,280
Speaker 2: have a therapist? Do you have a real therapist?

651
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 4: No?

652
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 3: So I was seeing one for a while and then

653
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 3: COVID kind of hit and I didn't really like the

654
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,240
Speaker 3: virtual thing. So I haven't had one for a while.

655
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 3: But before then, yeah, I did have a pretty set one.

656
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 3: But I mean also, so he was in a pretty

657
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 3: long term relationship before I met him, and she cheated

658
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 3: on him, and it's like kind of absolutely devastated him,

659
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 3: and he's talked to me about like the emotional damage

660
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 3: she's had from it, So like I also, I wouldn't

661
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 3: want to just bring it up, like, hey, this is

662
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 3: like something that I'm thinking of, because I know he's

663
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 3: gone through like the trauma of that before.

664
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 2: Let's dig a little bit deeper into the urges themselves.

665
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 2: What do we know about them? What is propelling them?

666
00:41:54,920 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 2: Do we have any information about well, are these like sexual?

667
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 2: Are these uh compulsions of of adrenaline or or you

668
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 2: want to do bad things maybe intrusive reasons? Like what

669
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 2: what do we? What do we what's our current read

670
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 2: on these urges? And you know from from your perspective,

671
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 2: So I.

672
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 3: Think it could be a couple of things. I mean,

673
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 3: I know that I have a tendency to kind of

674
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 3: ruin good things, and I know that this is a

675
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 3: really great thing, so it could be just like me

676
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 3: trying to ruin it. But then I also think it's

677
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 3: it's a very real, just very pure sexual thing.

678
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 2: Why do you have a tendency to ruin good things?

679
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 3: Because uh, well I do have some abandonment issues. So

680
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 3: I think it's kind of like a all all screw

681
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 3: it up instead of them leaving me.

682
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 2: M all right, I mean here's here's the truth is.

683
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 2: This is this is we're definitely in real therapist territory

684
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 2: here because you got something going on for sure. Yeah,

685
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 2: you're self aware of the fact that you got something

686
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 2: I do. Yeah yeah, okay, And have you have you

687
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 2: siated on him yet?

688
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 3: So and like no, no, I haven't. I feel like

689
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 3: the situation would kind of have to like line up

690
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 3: in very specific like perfect scenario for me to actually

691
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,720
Speaker 3: do it. But I think like one of the biggest

692
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 3: things too for me is like when I was you know, dating,

693
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 3: casualty and kind of balancing, I think the thing that

694
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed was like the newness of things, so

695
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 3: you know what they're going to be like you know right, yeah,

696
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 3: So I think that's so. I think that's something that

697
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 3: definitely plays into it. Is like the newness obviously, like

698
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 3: after six years is like completely gone.

699
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 2: Do you have a desire to fix these urges or

700
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 2: I mean, how do you do you do you want

701
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 2: to not feel this way?

702
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 3: Absolutely?

703
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 4: Yes?

704
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 3: So this is like this is the end all be

705
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 3: all for me, Like this is the person that I

706
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 3: want to spend my life with. I can see myself

707
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 3: growing gold with I don't want to ruin it. It's

708
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 3: just this weird, like underlying, like just thing that comes

709
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 3: into my head like pops up and I'm like, oh,

710
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 3: I get out of here.

711
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 2: Sure it's an intrusive thought. And by the way, I

712
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 2: don't know. All of my theories about life and everything

713
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 2: are all works and progress, and this is one of

714
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 2: them that is a little work in progress. But I

715
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 2: kind of feel like we can't argue or reason with

716
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 2: our feelings. I feel like they just happen. They're just

717
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 2: presented to us and we're like, all right, fuck right,

718
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 2: you know the words You're like, You're like, what if

719
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 2: I on my perfect like a fuck? What are I?

720
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 2: You know, like you almost you're almost like helpless. You

721
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 2: know the way that you feel what you are in control?

722
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 2: Love is of course, you know the way that uh

723
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 2: you know what what what you act on, how you

724
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 2: perceive your feelings, how you uh, as I said, act

725
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 2: on your feelings, and uh you could take a proactive

726
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 2: step here. I don't know how to change your feelings.

727
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 2: I have no idea.

728
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: Uh.

729
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 2: That's why you should probably go to like a real

730
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 2: therapist person and they'll tell you more informed sid see things.

731
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, I mean, you

732
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 2: gotta deal with this because you know, we both know

733
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 2: it's not fair for your you to marry this guy

734
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 2: while he has just no fucking idea what's going on

735
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 2: with you? You know? So for sure? Yeah, look, I

736
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 2: don't think you're a bad person for feeling this way,

737
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 2: but you should probably figure out how to deal with

738
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 2: these feelings in a productive manner toward what you actually

739
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 2: want in life, which you are telling me it has

740
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 2: to be with this guy. I don't know how exactly

741
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 2: you do that. We've defined the goal, which is we

742
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 2: need to sort out these feelings before we marry this guy.

743
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 2: We know that that's the what. As far as the how,

744
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 2: that's that's uh that you can talk about with your

745
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 2: real therapist. Yeah, okay, So there anything else you want

746
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 2: to say to the computer before we go? GEK be

747
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 2: with you, GEK bless cee, Alexis gack blessed.

748
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 3: Thank you.

749
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 5: Have a good night.

750
00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 2: Hello, Hi, get Hi? Is this Regina?

751
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 4: Yes?

752
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 2: How are you doing? Regina?

753
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 4: I'm doing all right?

754
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 2: What's going on with you at this very moment? What

755
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 2: are you looking at right now. I want to sort

756
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 2: of put myself where you are.

757
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 4: Well, right now, I'm on my way back from work,

758
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 4: so I'm passing my like homegate type situation.

759
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 2: Are you in a car?

760
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 3: Yes?

761
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 2: Okay, what do you just tell me? Just describe to

762
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 2: me what you're looking at right now?

763
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 4: Big green car interior. I have like a four door

764
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 4: type a big truck kind of car, and it's just roads.

765
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,280
Speaker 4: I live in Florida, so it's like trees and shit.

766
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I feel like you said the scene

767
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 2: pretty well, I'm looking at trees and road and cars.

768
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:12,240
Speaker 4: Yep, speed bump that has passed. Speed bump. I actually

769
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 4: almost missed it. So that was it? Hurt a little bit?

770
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 2: Regina? Yeah, how can I get you this evening?

771
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 3: Okay?

772
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 4: So I actually have like some kind of big family

773
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 4: issue going on in my house right now in regards

774
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 4: to my may or may not be. I don't know

775
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,720
Speaker 4: if I'm even like allowed to say, but Narco uncle,

776
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 4: now I guess.

777
00:48:55,360 --> 00:49:02,720
Speaker 2: Narco. Yeah, okay, what's going on with your NARCOA?

778
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 4: So okay, So to give a little bit of backstory,

779
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:21,280
Speaker 4: my grandmother passed away like in twenty sixteen, side twenty

780
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 4: fifteen from a stroke, and after that everything kind of

781
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 4: like went downtill because before that my mom had given

782
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 4: my uncle my college fund and my brother's college fund

783
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 4: to like build house because of what he does. He's

784
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 4: a construction worker what he used to be, and so

785
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 4: he built her house. That was fine, everything was going good.

786
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 4: My grandmother passed away and silence. We didn't know where

787
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 4: my grandmother's body was. We didn't know what he did

788
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 4: with all her stuff, We didn't know what happened to

789
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 4: the house.

790
00:49:58,280 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 6: And so.

791
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 4: Later we found out that he actually went underground because

792
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 4: the people that he was working with, they he was

793
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 4: basically cleaning their money, but with real estate in Mexico,

794
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 4: like constructing them houses with the money that she would

795
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 4: give them to, I guess clean it. And that's essentially

796
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 4: what the PI told us, which is like why he's

797
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 4: like underground. Now. The issue is that this has happened

798
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 4: in like twenty sixteen, twenty sixteen, and we haven't been

799
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 4: able to like really locate him, and so like the

800
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 4: issue now is that if my mom presses charges, because

801
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 4: it's in Mexico, there's like there's like a whole like

802
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 4: there's like a whole other like system over there. And

803
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 4: also if she presses charges because of the people that

804
00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 4: he's working with, my family, like my immediate family might

805
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 4: be put at risk. And if he goes to jail,

806
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 4: he can be killed. So it's kind of like a

807
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 4: do we do something and kill him or do we

808
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:10,760
Speaker 4: do something and get us killed?

809
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 2: You're considering trying to get him killed?

810
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 4: No, no, no, I mean if my mom ends up

811
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 4: pressing charges and he ends up going to prison, usually

812
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 4: in that line of work, you end up getting killed

813
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 4: in prison.

814
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 2: Oh okay over there. Why would he end up getting

815
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 2: killed in prison?

816
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 4: Well, the PI said, he's like in some really like

817
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 4: shit over there, Like it's apparently really bad, and so

818
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 4: like the chances of him being okay in there or

819
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 4: like not that great from what we were told.

820
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 2: So okay, So you are concerned about whether or not

821
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 2: to press charges because you think that it might get

822
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 2: your uncle killed in prison.

823
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 4: Yes, and or also like if it doesn't, it might

824
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 4: expose my immediate family to danger if he decides to

825
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 4: retaliate because he's like not secorative the guy.

826
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 2: So okay, So you're afraid of either getting him killed

827
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 2: or getting you guys killed. What are the advantages of

828
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 2: pressing charges what do you receive in return?

829
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: We don't really.

830
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 4: Know if we can get the money back because, like

831
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 4: we said, because he's underground, we don't really know what

832
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 4: his economic status is, so we're not really sure if

833
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 4: we can get the money back. But I mean, for me,

834
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 4: a pro would be that he wouldn't cont anybody else.

835
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 4: And also, like I guess his justification is like because

836
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 4: like my brother and I don't have a college fund anymore.

837
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 4: You know, like it's just like, yes, some types of justice,

838
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 4: so you.

839
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 2: Believe that that money is just kind of gone and

840
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 2: not coming back, and that there's no legal action that

841
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 2: you can take to get it back.

842
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 4: Essentially, yeah, that's like worst case scenario because there isn't

843
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 4: even like a lot of evidence. I guess you can

844
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 4: say because you know, my mom didn't expect her brother

845
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 4: to jobble across her like that, you know, like it

846
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 4: was all like word of mouth cash exchange.

847
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, man, this feels like it's all a

848
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 2: question of where your values lie, because your whole thing

849
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 2: is that the advantages of taking of pressing charges would

850
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 2: be that he can't do this to anyone else, and

851
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 2: you can get him off the streets, to stop scamming

852
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 2: people or doing whatever it is he does in this

853
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 2: line of work that's not good. You could do that,

854
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 2: but it would be at the risk to yourself, and

855
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,760
Speaker 2: you know, the question is whether or not you are

856
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 2: willing to take that risk in order to see some

857
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 2: kind of justice. I don't think you are right or

858
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 2: wrong either way. If you think that continuing to be

859
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 2: involved in this situation with your uncle will put you

860
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 2: or your family in danger, I don't think it would

861
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 2: be remiss of you. I don't know if I'm using

862
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 2: that word right, but whatever, I can say whatever I

863
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 2: want on here, I don't think it would be a

864
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 2: remiss of you. It doesn't matter now it means something.

865
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 2: I don't think it would be that bad of you

866
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 2: to call it quits and just continue living your life

867
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 2: and ignore that your uncle ever existed. But if you

868
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 2: really want to see him off the streets, and you

869
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 2: really do feel like whatever he's doing is vile enough

870
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 2: that it's worth putting yourself at risk, then that's a

871
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 2: decision that you can make. But where are you leaning

872
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:08,439
Speaker 2: towards now.

873
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 4: It's just like, like, at this point, we're all pretty

874
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 4: frustrated because my entire family wants different things. Like I

875
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 4: personally just I do want him to face a little

876
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,760
Speaker 4: bit of justice for his actions, but like with least

877
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 4: amount of coms possible, Like if there's a way that

878
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 4: we can just like I don't know, like make him

879
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 4: give us back the money, like quietly or something like

880
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 4: something chilled, then like that'd be enough for me. And

881
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,439
Speaker 4: then he just disappears, like.

882
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,720
Speaker 2: Not like death, but like just have you been talking

883
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 2: to a lawyer.

884
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 4: Not a lawyer, Well, yeah, kind of a lawyer, like

885
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:57,760
Speaker 4: in between a police officer a lawyer and like a

886
00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 4: PI kind of situation.

887
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 2: Okay, does that situation that you described, you know, according

888
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 2: to the people that you've been working with, does that

889
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:07,240
Speaker 2: situation that you've described exist?

890
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 4: Kind of not, because what would end up happening is

891
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 4: because there are not there is not a lot of evidence.

892
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,479
Speaker 4: They would basically find him, drag him into the light

893
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 4: and kind of see if he's done any other illegal

894
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 4: stuff over there and kind of pin him for that,

895
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 4: and then we'll see what we can get from that.

896
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:35,280
Speaker 2: Okay, So you say everybody in the family wants different things,

897
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 2: What does the rest of the family want.

898
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,879
Speaker 4: Well, my mom's pretty distraught because you know, that's her

899
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 4: brother of like life. So she's pretty like, you know,

900
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 4: I just she doesn't really want to deal with that anymore.

901
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 4: My dad, he does want to kill him because he

902
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 4: you know that my dad has worked, Ye, my dad

903
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 4: he brought our family here from over there, so he

904
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 4: has worked pretty hard for what we have, So for

905
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,959
Speaker 4: something like that to happen was pretty was pretty bad.

906
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 4: So that was essentially his life saving just went away

907
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 4: over something so stupid. And my brother, he he's kind

908
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 4: of like bummed. He's kind of like man, you know,

909
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 4: like he like, I don't really give a shit about

910
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 4: like my college stuff. But it's like a really break kid.

911
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 4: And he got accepted into like a lot of college

912
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 4: places and he's not able to go because we just

913
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 4: we don't have it.

914
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 2: Hm hm. So getting the money back is not on

915
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 2: the table. It doesn't sound like.

916
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 4: Honestly, I don't think so it's it's like the least

917
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 4: pressing manner that they have over there.

918
00:57:54,160 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 2: Because it's like, well, Regina, well, Regina, Regina. Look, I mean,

919
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 2: if you're asking me personally, I'm not a big vengeance guy.

920
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 2: I'm not a big justice guy. I'm you know, when

921
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 2: something like this happens. I'm on the side of like, Okay,

922
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 2: this happened. What can I personally do now to make

923
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 2: my life better as a result. You know, I accept

924
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 2: the things I can't control. So if the money is

925
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 2: gone and it's gone and you can't get it back,

926
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 2: then you know, I would accept that and then figure

927
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,439
Speaker 2: out the best way to move on. If it takes

928
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 2: a bunch more time, energy, and maybe even more money

929
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 2: to get a lawyer, then you have to ask yourself

930
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 2: if it is worth your time. And I assume that

931
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 2: your mom and your dad are doing the heavy lifting

932
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 2: on this, and that you're sort of in the background.

933
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 2: And while you're in the background, I would remove yourself

934
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 2: from the situation a little bit. You're trying to one

935
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 2: years old. What do you do? Are you in college? No,

936
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 2: you're not in college right now? Are you working?

937
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 4: Yeah? I see stray cats.

938
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 2: You said you save stray cats.

939
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I save them, and I see them.

940
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:20,919
Speaker 3: For like cash.

941
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:24,919
Speaker 2: Okay, great, so o, Regina. I would lean into whatever

942
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 2: you're doing with your own life. I would sort of

943
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, your parents are gonna do what

944
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 2: they're gonna do. They're adults. I mean, you're an adult too,

945
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 2: But you know what I mean, I would just lean

946
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 2: into your own life right now and not spend so

947
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 2: much more because your uncle has already taken so much

948
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 2: away from you. Don't let him take away your time

949
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 2: and your mental energy as well, because that's also a

950
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 2: finite resource that you don't want to give away to

951
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 2: him when you can be focused on doing other things.

952
00:59:58,840 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 2: Does that make sense?

953
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, thank you for your unbiased opinion. I really

954
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 4: appreciate that.

955
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 2: Is there anything else you want to say to the

956
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 2: people of the computer before we go?

957
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:18,919
Speaker 4: Honestly to you, Gek, I really love your stream and

958
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 4: I watch them as much as I can, and you know,

959
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 4: those two out there listening, and they really appreciate you,

960
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 4: you know, chat it's pretty lively. They're great. Everybody's great.

961
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 2: Thank you, Hey, thank you Regina, and thank you for

962
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 2: saving those cats. I'm sure they appreciate the food and stuff.

963
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, hopefully.

964
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 2: Hey, have a goo night, Regina.

965
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you too.

966
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 2: Goes on the line thanking your phone calls every night.

967
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 2: An expert