1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. 3 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:08,719 Speaker 2: Sam hutchins he covers Old Miss football for Clarion Ledger, 4 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 2: and he's had a lot to report on. Sam, Thanks 5 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 2: for joining us. When did you start to think that 6 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin was gone? 7 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 3: You know, I'd like to say I was going back 8 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:25,319 Speaker 3: to Auckham's razor. I think that's what it is. Like 9 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 3: the simplest explanation is probably the most reliable, right, And 10 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 3: there were just one hundred small things that he would 11 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 3: have done differently over the last you know, four weeks, 12 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,919 Speaker 3: six weeks if he were staying. So I think it was, 13 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 3: at least for me, I'm not sure there was one moment. 14 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 3: I think it was a slow drip of realization that man, like, 15 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 3: why would you do that or why would you say 16 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 3: that or why would you phrase something like that if 17 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 3: you're gonna stay in Oxford? So it was more of 18 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 3: a slow drip for me than I think a sudden. 19 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 2: Realization trying to understand what happened in the meeting with 20 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 2: the athletic director. Did he want to stay? Did he 21 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 2: threaten to take coaches? Did he threaten to take players? 22 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 2: Was was he trying to leverage this where he could 23 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 2: still coach Old Miss in the playoffs. 24 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 4: Yeah. 25 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the College Football Playoff was throughout this 26 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 3: whole process was definitely Old Miss's best carrot to dangle, right, 27 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 3: and not only because Lane's never coached in one for 28 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 3: but you sort of are setting him up to be 29 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 3: the villain if he leaves the college football playoffs. So 30 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 3: I think that Keith Carter and that realization had set 31 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 3: in pretty firmly in Oxford even you know, after the 32 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 3: Egg Bowl or we were waiting, you know, refreshing on 33 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 3: Saturday for this whole coaching search before it even unfolded Sunday. 34 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 3: But yeah, Lane, that was kind of the last sticking point. 35 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 3: And I think maybe the Iron Bowl helped things up, 36 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 3: right because if Auburn would have won, Old Miss would 37 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 3: be playing in the SEC Championship. But yeah, Lane definitely 38 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 3: won to coach in the College Football Playoff. And then 39 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 3: in his statement it was pretty strongly worded, kind of 40 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 3: going after Keith Carter, the athletic director a little bit. 41 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 3: And then in his interview on the tarmac with Marty, 42 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 3: I think he was a little more understanding of oh 43 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 3: Miss the situation and his situation. 44 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if he understands the gravity of 45 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 2: all of this. It's like, hey, I tried, you know, 46 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 2: you know, I just I gotta go. God told me 47 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 2: to go to LSU. I mean it doesn't work that way. Yeah, 48 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 2: And I said, maybe jokingly, I thought he was referring 49 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 2: to Nick Saban when he said I spoke to God. 50 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 2: Now he said he talked to Saban and he talked 51 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 2: to God as well. He just I don't know. And 52 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 2: I mentioned this before, Sam. He seems like a chaser, 53 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 2: like there are certain coaches that are never ever satisfied. 54 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 2: They're chasing, chasing, they don't even know what they're chasing. 55 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 2: Because even if he wins a national title, he'll still chase. 56 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 2: And I just thought that given that documentary on ESPN, 57 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 2: that maybe found happiness, you know, with his family, his 58 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 2: ex wife that program. I guess that's this surprising part 59 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 2: of it. And it felt like he was trying to 60 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 2: play a little bit of a victim there at the 61 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 2: very end that I wanted to coach him, but they 62 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 2: wouldn't let me. What do you make of all to that? 63 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought this was truly it was so fascinating, 64 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 3: you know, not even because of the documentary that was 65 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 3: certainly super super notable, but just because of the general 66 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 3: you know, I guess pr campaign might not be the 67 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 3: right phrasing, but how he turned his life around. I 68 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 3: actually I love your. 69 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 5: Interviews that you've done with with Lane. 70 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 3: Dan, and you talked to him when he's at Florida 71 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 3: Atlantic and you know, all these different spots, and that's 72 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,119 Speaker 3: what's been, you know, so beneficial about the six years 73 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 3: he's been in Oxford for both sides. Ole miss missed 74 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 3: four straight Bowl games before he got here. Look where 75 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 3: they are, and and Lane was a little radioactive he 76 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 3: you know, at times at Florida Atlantic, he was pretty wanted. 77 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 3: But Lane has never become a hotter commodity on on 78 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 3: the coaching market until now. So this, this has been 79 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 3: such a beneficial relationship for both sides. But I guess Dan, 80 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 3: you'd remember more than me. But I was thinking about 81 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 3: this last night. If it if it goes south in 82 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 3: Baton Rouge, you know, not that I think it will. 83 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 3: I think Lane's a great coach, but I guess Brian 84 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 3: Kelly probably didn't either. 85 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 5: But if it. 86 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 3: Goes south, like where will the biggest risk to me 87 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 3: is where will Lane? Where will his name be up 88 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 3: in the Ring of Honor one day at at Florida 89 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 3: Atlantic Like he doesn't. He's giving up his his home 90 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 3: right now, and certainly I think he's going to do 91 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 3: well in Baton Rouge. 92 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 5: They all think he's going to do well, and. 93 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 3: I think he You know, if if you go into 94 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame, like the MLB debate, he may 95 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 3: one day have like the tiger on his hat, right, 96 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 3: But if it goes poorly, I just wonder for Lane, 97 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 3: like do you regret giving up your home? Giving up 98 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 3: a place you were loved? Six years in Oxford is 99 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 3: the longest of any stopping his coaching journey. 100 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 2: Talking to Sam hutchins Old, miss Beat reporter for the 101 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 2: Clarion Ledger, if the players voted, and I said this 102 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 2: last Wednesday, I know he's going to want to stay. 103 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 2: But if the players won him, if they took a 104 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 2: vote and they wanted him to coach, then I would 105 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 2: certainly factor that in. If they had taken that vote, 106 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 2: what do you think the results would have been. 107 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 5: I don't think it would. 108 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 3: Have been unanimous, right, And of course, like on a 109 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 3: roster of one hundred plus players, of course it's not. 110 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 3: But I think generally it had gotten to the point 111 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 3: where players would have said go. And one aspect of 112 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 3: this is they love Pete Golding. The guy they promoted 113 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 3: is kind of the perfect stability guy. I had to 114 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 3: call him, come out. He's kind of the anti Lane Kiffin. 115 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 3: Then all Pete Golding tweets out as shark emoji. He's 116 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 3: like his last forty eight tweets, I think forty seven 117 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 3: I've been just a single shark emoji. But he'll come 118 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 3: in a root me as a Southern accent, and he 119 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 3: fires everyone up. So he's sort of the perfect like 120 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 3: foil to Lane to turn to if you just want 121 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 3: to stabilize the roster before your most important game in 122 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 3: program history in twenty years. But I was at the 123 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 3: Manning Center yesterday kind of talking to Frankly, any any 124 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 3: of the players who who who would chat on the 125 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 3: way out, And maybe it was just a small boost, 126 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 3: a temporary boost, because Pete and Keith gave him a 127 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 3: great speech, But it sort of seemed to me like 128 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 3: they were they were relieved that it was over. 129 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 5: And here's the deal. 130 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 3: Their window to transfer will open at the end of 131 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 3: the season, so they can still go to LSU if 132 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 3: they want, and I'm sure Lane would love to have 133 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 3: Keewan Lacy the running back, Trinidad Chamblis the quarterback. 134 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 5: So so the players. 135 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 3: I think are the biggest winner in this situation, perhaps 136 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 3: because they can still go if they want, but now 137 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 3: they can focus on, you know, potentially hosting a game 138 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 3: in Oxford here and nineteen or twenty days and. 139 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 2: I'm guessing maybe a year from now in November, LSU 140 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 2: comes to Ole Miss. 141 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 5: Correct, that's right, They're coming here next year. 142 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 3: The Mustard models will be flying off the shelves at 143 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 3: the walmart here. 144 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,119 Speaker 2: Last question, what does the committee do to Old Miss 145 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 2: if anything, since they're losing their head coach. 146 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, that'll be That's kind of the next fascinating thing. 147 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 3: The short answer is, I don't think they dropped them 148 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 3: out of a playoff spot. Maybe it's the home playoff spot, 149 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 3: maybe it's the last home playoff spot. But people have 150 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 3: been bringing up the Florida State situation when Jordan Travis 151 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 3: got hurt. 152 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 5: But I think the. 153 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 3: Thing that some folks miss is that Florida State situation. 154 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 3: There was a data point of Travis losing or of 155 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 3: losing Travis, and then they looked really bad in the 156 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 3: next game, so I thought, Hey, there's an argument if 157 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 3: you're old Miss, you don't want to go to the 158 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 3: SEC Championship game because if you lose Lane and then 159 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 3: get boat raced by Georgia, that would maybe give the 160 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 3: committee more of an excuse to drop you. But you know, frankly, 161 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 3: we have no idea what this team looks like without Lane, 162 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 3: what this team looks like without its coordinators. So I 163 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 3: think that would be a tough sell for the committee 164 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 3: to drop them out of a home playoff spot. 165 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 2: You're not going downsu with Lane Kiffin, are you? 166 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 5: No? 167 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 4: No? 168 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 3: He was so fun to cover Dan, and I did 169 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 3: bought yoga with him and he was so fun. But 170 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 3: there were times last year over my time on the 171 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 3: beat that I wished I covered a normal coach, you know, 172 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 3: who wasn't tweeting when. 173 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 5: I was at the golf course or at the Walmart 174 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 5: or something. 175 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:48,839 Speaker 2: Good stuff. Sam, thanks for joining. 176 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 5: Us anytime, Dan, appreciate you. 177 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 2: Sam Hutchins, old Missbeat reporter for The Clarion Ledger. 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Check us out 192 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 6: on YouTube and subscribe. 193 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 2: Hall of Fame coach Bill Cower NFL Today on CBS 194 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 2: Studio Analyst. You grew up in the Pittsburgh area, But 195 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 2: I was curious about the added pressure of coaching your 196 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 2: team that you grew up with and not wanting. You know. 197 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 2: So there's enough pressure there, but now you're gonna coach 198 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 2: the Steelers. How much added pressure was there with that 199 00:09:58,720 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 2: job title? 200 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I think when I first got the job, 201 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 4: I told you, damn. I first thought when I went 202 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 4: back to Kansas City after I was offered a job, 203 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 4: and I laid in bed that first night and I said, Wow, 204 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 4: if I don't screw this up, I can go back 205 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 4: to my twentieth high school class reunion as the head 206 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:19,319 Speaker 4: coaching So my first goal was not to get fired 207 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 4: in those first three years. The pointing back there during 208 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 4: the course of that time and just seeing what Chuck 209 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 4: had done with that team and how that the renaissance 210 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 4: of the seventies uplifted that whole city. It was almost 211 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 4: a responsibility I had. But it's also like a connection 212 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 4: that you had with the people that were there. And 213 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 4: you know, I identified with the heart, the lunch pale, 214 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 4: hard working people, the blue collar element of it. I 215 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 4: worked in steel mills, I always had a summertime job 216 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 4: in Pittsburgh, so I understood what they were looking for. 217 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 4: They're a very passionate fans, very knowledgeable fans about football, 218 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 4: and so through the course of time, it was more 219 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 4: of a responsibility. I felt like I had to represent 220 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 4: that city. 221 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,079 Speaker 2: What do you make of the fire Mike Tomlin chance 222 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 2: that we heard yesterday towards the tail end of that performance. 223 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, like I said, they're very passionate fans, 224 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 4: and you know, and I think it's uh, you know, 225 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 4: listen where they are right now. They're they're six and six. 226 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 4: They've not played very good football. These last you know what, 227 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:27,079 Speaker 4: two and five in the last seven games. So it's 228 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 4: it's it's a scenario. But the fact of the matter is, 229 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 4: we know with five games ago, they still have a 230 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 4: chance to win their division. They're not trending in the 231 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 4: right way. I thought, I think on either side of 232 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 4: the ball, and going up against Baltimore ravens now and 233 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 4: they got them two more times. They got still played 234 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 4: the Detroit Lions, the Cleveland Browns, and Nelson still got 235 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 4: play the Miami Dolphins. So we'll see what happens. I 236 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 4: think again, you know, the results will speak for themselves. 237 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 4: But I think from Mike's standpoint, I know one thing, 238 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 4: He's not gonna let the outside noise influence or how 239 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 4: he's gonna his approach to this next game. He knows 240 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 4: it's a lot on stake. They're not playing great football 241 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 4: right now. He's got to find a way to rally 242 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 4: that group and get them to believe that they still 243 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 4: have a chance to win this division. 244 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 2: Did you get fire chance when you were there in Pittsburgh. 245 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 4: Ilder, I got a fire chance, But I think that 246 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 4: I was you know, there were some people that when 247 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 4: you when you had a losing year and you walk 248 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 4: past them, people start to whisper before they say, hey, coach, 249 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:31,079 Speaker 4: great to see him. When they start. When I start whispering, Dan, 250 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 4: you know, it's probably not a good thing. So when 251 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 4: you walk by and people are whispering, that's probably a 252 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,839 Speaker 4: good sign if things are not going that well. When 253 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 4: they walk by and it's going well, they going, hey, coach, 254 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 4: great job, good luck. Hey love what you're doing. Hey 255 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 4: might want to throw the ball a little bit more. Okay, gotcha. 256 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 4: You know you're right on. So I got to the point. Actually, 257 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 4: I said, you know, my point is when we won, 258 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 4: I had no problems stopping the way home from gas. 259 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 4: You're getting gas. When we lost, I waited, t was dark, 260 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 4: it was ten thirty eleven. I was yes, and I 261 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 4: didn't want to hear about it. Honestly, in the morning 262 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 4: on the way to work, like you know, I didn't 263 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 4: want to hear about anyone because everybody would pull up 264 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 4: right next to me. They would be act like they're 265 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 4: pulling up their their their gas tank was absolutely full. 266 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 4: They woun't even put the nozzle. They would stand there 267 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 4: in front of their cars and tell me everything that 268 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 4: I should be doing. We're not running the football enough, 269 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 4: you're too conservative. You like we have no wins rushing 270 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 4: the quarterback, and like you need to make some changes 271 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 4: on that team and even with their coaching staff. Now 272 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 4: that we go yes, yes, yes, and yes, you're probably right, 273 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 4: I need to reevaluate. 274 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 2: What kind of job offers or feelers did you get 275 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 2: when you were with the Steelers. How often does that 276 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:41,839 Speaker 2: happen on an NFL level? 277 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 4: Oh, I I never even entertained. I don't think it doesn't. 278 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 4: It doesn't happen at all. I think once you're with 279 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 4: when you're with a team like that, you're trying. You're 280 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 4: just trying to win year to year. You know, my my, 281 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 4: my fear of failure far exceeded my desire to win. 282 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 4: I did not want to fail and get fired. I 283 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 4: mean I that was always over top of my head. 284 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 4: And I just knew results oriented business and if you 285 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 4: didn't produce, you're gonna be asked to move on because 286 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 4: that's just the nature of that profession. So I understood 287 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 4: that getting into that profession. But you know, you never 288 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 4: think about the next job, at least I didn't from 289 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 4: my standpoint. I again, I've been in one place for 290 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 4: a long period of time, Dan, I was in Pittsburgh 291 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 4: for fifteen years. I've been in the CBS for nineteen years. 292 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 4: I'm not the kind of guy it's looking for the 293 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 4: grassby and greener on the other side, I like to 294 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 4: be appreciated and if I appreciated you and get the 295 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 4: very best of me. And you know what, I appreciate 296 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 4: being able to go to work where I am appreciated. 297 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 2: But it's standard procedure in college football. Now, why is that? 298 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 4: I don't know. I go back. I think it's due. 299 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 4: I think it's the lack of structure that the NCAAA 300 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 4: has right now in terms of these timetables, in terms 301 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 4: of the pool, the transfer portal that takes place, allowing 302 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 4: coaches to leave before the end of or contracts to 303 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 4: go to other places. It doesn't happen in the NFL. 304 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 4: There's a very there's a very discipline structure that we have. 305 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 4: There's a salary cap, there is a time from free 306 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 4: agency that happens afterwards. You know, head coaches aren't going 307 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 4: to be able to go from one team to another 308 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 4: because you're not even talking to another team. 309 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 2: Now. 310 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 4: The biggest thing in the NFL to me, the problem 311 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 4: that you have if you indeed it is, and I 312 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 4: didn't think it was was your assistance because at the 313 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 4: end of the season and you're in the playoffs, the 314 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 4: assistants have an opportunity to talk to other teams. But 315 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 4: I always looked at that as a feather in your cap. 316 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 4: And I always thought to him because I know when 317 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 4: I was getting interviewed at times that you know what, 318 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 4: my resume is being put on that table with that 319 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 4: playoff game. So I was more inspired to do well 320 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 4: in that playoff game as opposed to thinking about putting 321 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 4: your staff together, thinking about you know what you're going 322 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 4: to do and your mind isn't on the game. I 323 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 4: don't think that's the case. So I don't think we 324 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 4: have that in the National Football League. I think the 325 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 4: NCAA is really it's the wild, wild West. I've said 326 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 4: that out there. I said it yesterday, went on a 327 00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 4: little bit of a rant. It's just a problem from 328 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 4: me is that the people that get lost in this 329 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 4: are the are the players, and the message we're sending 330 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 4: to them, the lack of trust that they're going to 331 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 4: start having it in our institutions, in our systems, because 332 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 4: you know what, that's what we're going to lose if 333 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 4: you're telling them one thing and you're doing another thing, 334 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 4: and any other part of that is the entitlement that 335 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 4: we now are doing with young players. When a quarterback 336 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 4: is making four million dollars a year and the alignment 337 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 4: is up there has got a four year scholarship, is 338 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 4: getting paid nothing? Okay, but because you know what, one 339 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 4: percent of the people in college are going to play 340 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 4: pro teaching life lessons about what business is like, what 341 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 4: going into the next level of life is about responsibility, 342 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 4: having a job, working for someone and having the fs 343 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 4: mAbs two to a boss and work your way up 344 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 4: the ladder. You know, sometimes you're not gonna get entitled 345 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 4: to something because you think you decide a part of it. 346 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 4: You may have to work for a long period of 347 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 4: time to get that opportunity. There's nothing wrong with a 348 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 4: good work ethic, a degree of saying, you know what, 349 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 4: I'm going to compete for what I need to compete for, 350 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 4: because you know what, that will serve you better in 351 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 4: life than being entitled and being handed. Something that really 352 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 4: to me is they're too young to be given that 353 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 4: kind of money. 354 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 2: If you were the old miss Athletic director and Lane 355 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 2: Kiffin said to you, Hey, I want to coach this 356 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 2: team in the playoffs. 357 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 4: You would have said, you decided to go to LSU, 358 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 4: thank you and goodbye? What to Let you come here? 359 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,360 Speaker 4: Let you come here for the next month to talk 360 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 4: about how great LSU is over Mississippi. You kidd me seriously, 361 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 4: to even ask for that question is like, that's an arrogance. 362 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 4: You know that that's arrogance. I think what happened there 363 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 4: is a disgrace to the coaching profession because I will 364 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 4: just say this, the coaching profession is about developing young men. 365 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 4: It's not about chasing the green or grass to somewhere 366 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 4: else and be an ambulance chaser and go, oh, I 367 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 4: can fix you. And then when you fix that, let 368 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 4: me go here and fix that. It's about developing young men. 369 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 4: It's about trying to create tradition, pageantry for the institution 370 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 4: that you work for. We had rivalry weekend. We just 371 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 4: came off of what's a robbery anymore? What's the conference anymore? 372 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 4: I'm telling you we're losing some of the very core 373 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 4: fiber of things that we have grown up loving about 374 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 4: college football, and we're watching it the tier right right 375 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 4: before our eyes. 376 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 2: Talking to Bill Cower, the Hall of Famer and Super 377 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 2: Bowl champ with the Steelers. You know, some of these 378 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 2: teams we rode off back in September, maybe in October, 379 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:33,640 Speaker 2: like the Texans, the Dolphins, the Niners with their injuries. 380 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 4: How about the Cowboys? 381 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well, I mean they're dangerous. I don't know 382 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 2: if they have enough time, but you know, you beat 383 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,479 Speaker 2: the Chiefs and the Eagles over a span of four days, 384 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 2: you have to get everybody's attention there. 385 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 4: Coach, I would think so on the job that Brian 386 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 4: Schottenheimer's done through the course of everything that they've dealt 387 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 4: with down there, you know, and hey, I would love 388 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 4: to see the Green Bay Packers and the Dallas Cowboys 389 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 4: in the playoffs, okay, because I want to know for 390 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 4: once and for arm because they met once and it 391 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,719 Speaker 4: was a time. Who was right, Michaeh Parsons or Jerry Jones. 392 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 4: So to get me into the playoffs where we can't 393 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 4: end this thing in a time? 394 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 2: Do you think they both won? I do? 395 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 4: I do. I think. You know, we sat there and 396 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 4: criticized Jerry all this time for what he did, but 397 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 4: I think going on getting Quentin Williams Overshewn came back, 398 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 4: you know, and and Wilson came in and all of 399 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 4: a sudden, Now these last three games, this defense has 400 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 4: taken on a different identity. Matt Eberflus say, Jerry stayed 401 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 4: with them, Brian has stayed with him. I think Brian 402 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 4: has called an amazing offensive games weekend and week out. 403 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 4: The offense is playing at a very high level. I 404 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 4: think they're playing with a lot of confidence. And I 405 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 4: think the question is, as you stated, Dan, is that 406 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 4: did they dig themselves too big of a hole. I 407 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 4: don't know, but I know there's still five games left 408 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 4: for these guys, and anything can happen, because I think 409 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 4: that it's really truck right now. The National Football League, 410 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 4: that parody has never been greater. Every team that you 411 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 4: think is on top. We saw the Rams get beat 412 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 4: by Carolina. We saw last night the Denver Broncos get 413 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 4: taken the overtime by the Washington Commanders. And who knows 414 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 4: what's gonna happen to night with New England and the 415 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 4: New York Giants. So I think the NFL was in 416 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 4: a tremendous place from the standpoint that it's going to 417 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 4: go down to the final weeks, and I think for 418 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 4: the first time we may have a seventh seed and 419 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 4: maybe two seven seeds that could win in the wildcard round. 420 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 2: Was it tough as a coach tougher to understand your 421 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 2: quarterback or the wide receivers that you had. 422 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,439 Speaker 4: They go, they go hand in hand. I think the 423 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 4: wide receivers, you know, I think the quarterback is going 424 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 4: to touch the ball every game, every play. The wide 425 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 4: receivers you got kind of like you got to massage 426 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 4: them a little bit because you want them to block 427 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 4: for you, You want them to do the dirty work, 428 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 4: but you better give them the ball a little bit too. 429 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 4: So like trying to be able to keep people happy 430 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 4: is like the job that I think of a coordinator 431 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 4: to duke and a guy involved early for the quarterback 432 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 4: to do to make sure he can massage all the 433 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 4: egos that's in there in that huddle that he's got 434 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 4: because a lot everybody wants to have the ball at 435 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 4: the end of the game, and really the only one 436 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 4: is gonna have the ball to begin every play is 437 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 4: going to be that is going to be that uh 438 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 4: that that quarterback. So I just think the quarterback is 439 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,679 Speaker 4: becomes a reflection of the head coach at some point, 440 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 4: and I think. 441 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 2: Ben, are your wide receivers, Well. 442 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 4: I didn't let the wide receiver. They didn't bother me. 443 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 4: Ben drove me crazier because I hated me because he 444 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 4: had to be a reflection of me. Dan. So that's 445 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,120 Speaker 4: what I'm saying. I didn't worry about I didn't worry 446 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 4: about the wide receivers. Like they're gonna, they're gonna be mad, 447 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 4: they're gonna they're gonna say all these things. That's wine. 448 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 4: I get it. They know they want the ball, they 449 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 4: want it for all the right reasons. But the quarterback, 450 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 4: like you guys, you gotta think like me, so that 451 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 4: like and so it's like that's the one and at 452 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 4: times I gotta let them be them too. So that's 453 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 4: that little fine line, a give and take, you know. 454 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 4: And that's so that's that's the guy that's gotta be 455 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 4: reflecting you. I think there's no great example that. And 456 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 4: you're seeing bow Nicks and Sean Payton that I think 457 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 4: they they are working hand in hand and Sean appreciates 458 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,199 Speaker 4: Boa and but I'm sure Sean wants to stay on 459 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 4: bow to try to get him to be able to 460 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 4: be that you know, toughling guy that's gonna be really 461 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 4: good in the tough situations. And so it's, uh, it's 462 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 4: kind of fun to watch these young quarterbacks evolve with 463 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 4: these with the with their coaches. 464 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 2: I thought it was funny you told the story where 465 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 2: Ben acted look like he couldn't hear you when you 466 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 2: were calling. 467 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah. He starts bounding. He starts, and I'm thinking, 468 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 4: you know, I know he can hear it. I know 469 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 4: he can hear us. So I said, grab that, and 470 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 4: he goes, I said, grab that. Helme as soon as 471 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 4: he comes off that field, and he says, They go, 472 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 4: it's working now, And I go, Ben, it's working. He goes, 473 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 4: I must have just came back on. 474 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 2: Well he was good enough that he could still do that. 475 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, he like he would. We would have the 476 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 4: banter back and forth, and it was respectful banters. He 477 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,360 Speaker 4: always knew where I stood, and I always appreciated where 478 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 4: he was at. Didn't always agree with it at times, 479 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 4: but you know what, you earned the right to have 480 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 4: that ability, to have that input, to have that respect. 481 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 4: The one thing I knew about Ben Roethlisberger that when 482 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 4: the game was on the line and it was in 483 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,479 Speaker 4: the fourth quarter. He wanted to bow in his hands, 484 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 4: and you know what, there was probably no other player 485 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 4: that I would have wanted to have the ball in 486 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 4: hands than him. 487 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 2: When was the last time you didn't have a mustache? 488 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 4: Ah? Good question? You know. I shaved it. I ship 489 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 4: went down the bolt Head Island one time, like my 490 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 4: fourth year, and I said, you know what, everyone's recognizing 491 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 4: me down here. So I shaved it. And I'm telling 492 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 4: you it was the best thing in the world. I'd 493 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 4: be walking by and they're like, you know, I mean hey, 494 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 4: like like you go, hey, hey, you know the coach 495 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 4: Kler's on this, on this on this island. I go, really, 496 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 4: where's he at? I go? So it was, you know, 497 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 4: so it was. It was. It's been a while, it's 498 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 4: been a while. It's not a good looks it's for 499 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 4: me right now. It's just it's not a good look. 500 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 2: But did you did you have bust approval for the 501 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 2: Hall of Fame for your mustache? 502 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,719 Speaker 4: Yeah? I wow. That wasn't even an option. I mean, 503 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 4: it had had had to be that, because how. 504 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 2: Would you show it to you before? 505 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 4: Yes, there was that, and they kind of excepted, you know, 506 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 4: I think they sentuated the chan a little bit. I 507 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 4: don't think it's that bad, but they which was I 508 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 4: don't know if I agree with that that portrait of it, 509 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 4: but that's fine. 510 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 2: Did your wife have a say in this? 511 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 4: Yeah? I think when I shaved it, the first thing 512 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 4: she said, please don't shave again. So in other words, 513 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 4: how long is it going to take the grow back? 514 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,399 Speaker 4: So I think that got That was my first uh 515 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,439 Speaker 4: sign that you know what, Okay, maybe it's not a 516 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 4: good look. 517 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 2: It's not leaving, not leaving great to talk to you. 518 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 2: And we played nice today, but I know, I know. 519 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 4: You know, well you know what I think coming off 520 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 4: coming off the what happened yesterday. But let me ask you, 521 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 4: did you have a nice Thanksgiving? 522 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 2: It's still going on, coach, it's on a day. It's 523 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 2: really a spirit that I have. 524 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, so let me ask you what do you 525 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 4: think was the best game? What do you think was 526 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 4: the best game with Thanksgiving weekend? With with the NFL 527 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 4: Green Bay, Detroit, Dallas, Kansas City, Cincinnati, Joe Burrow, Baltimore, 528 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 4: or Eagles and Bears. 529 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 2: I would say Dallas and Kansas City because that's that's 530 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 2: a heavyweight fight, and you know, the hype involved with 531 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 2: that and it lived up to it. And Dallas winning 532 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 2: that game I thought made for great content. I think 533 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 2: Joe Burrow coming back and doing what he did against 534 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 2: the Ravens, that's pretty big. And now you've got Steelers 535 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 2: and the Ravens coming up this next weekend. 536 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,360 Speaker 4: Can you imagine if the four and eight Bengals get 537 00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 4: Joe Burrow back, they can still win the division? They 538 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 4: really can't. Yeah, now you got to go to Buffalo 539 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 4: this next week, so we'll see. The NFL has never 540 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 4: been so much intrigued, so many storylines. It's never been better. 541 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 4: So let's let's talk again in about a month and 542 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 4: see who's doing it. 543 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I'll make it a date. 544 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 4: Okay, that sounds good. I'm glad you keep the spirit 545 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 4: going because you were really good today. You didn't even 546 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 4: like you're even like you were actually trying to get me, 547 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 4: asked some really good questions. It was really good. 548 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. I wasn't gonna do that. I was gonna be nice. 549 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 2: I was gonna play nice. But I can't guarantee in 550 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 2: a month from now. 551 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 4: No, I I I expect that I never come on 552 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 4: with the expectation of you being nice. I prepare myself 553 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 4: in the morning. 554 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 2: I'll bet you do you psych yourself up to come on? 555 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 2: Stare at yourself in the mirror. 556 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 4: I look like I look at you like like like 557 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 4: a like a divisional opponent. I make it personal. 558 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 2: Would you want to hit me, like tackle me? 559 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 4: No? No, I respect you. 560 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 2: No, I got fore arm shiver. 561 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 4: Oh no, es. I would probably bump you if I 562 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 4: passed you, okay, yeah, if you got like if like 563 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 4: we were walking down the same one, would you turn? 564 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 4: Would you would you like be the one that gets 565 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 4: out of the way for coming down the same path 566 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 4: like I I most of the time, I would. I 567 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 4: think I would get out of the way of you because 568 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 4: I respect you. But if you mumbled something on the 569 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 4: way past, men as you start whispering, because I know 570 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 4: if you're whispering, you're saying something. 571 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 2: Thank you coach, all right, thanks Dan, thank you. It's 572 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 2: Bill Kaller. 573 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 574 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio 575 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to 576 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: listen live. 577 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 2: Andy Staples was at Ohio State Michigan on Saturday. Will 578 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 2: be in Nashville this weekend and then he'll be attending 579 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 2: a first round college football Playoff game. Andy covers college 580 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 2: football for on three Sports. All Right, we had a 581 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 2: lot of conversation, we had a lot of build up, 582 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,679 Speaker 2: and then we had the end result with Lane Kiffin 583 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 2: leaving to go to LSU. Does anybody win here? 584 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 4: Oh? 585 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 7: I think LSU feels like they won. They certainly got 586 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 7: the guy they wanted. They got the guy everybody wanted, 587 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 7: because remember Florida wanted him to Ole Miss wanted to 588 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 7: keep him, and LSU probably will wind up having the 589 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 7: same defensive staff, which they're very excited about that. Lane 590 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 7: kiffn probably retains those guys. He then comes in and 591 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,919 Speaker 7: fixes the offense, and all of a sudden, you got 592 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 7: a team that should be competitive every year to potentially 593 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 7: make the College football Playoff, to potentially win a national title. 594 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 7: Now here's the catch. Lane Kiffin had to leave a 595 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 7: team that is actually in the College football Playoff and 596 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 7: that is the rub like you leave for a conference rival. 597 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 7: And remember LSU is a bitter rival of a Little Miss. 598 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 7: There are some Ole Miss fans who think LSU's a 599 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 7: bigger rival misissip State. Ole Miss is never going to 600 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 7: let the LSU coach work for ole Miss, even for 601 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 7: a month. 602 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 2: Well, there are certainly people. There's certainly an analyst that 603 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 2: I saw this weekend who thought, hey, why don't you 604 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 2: let him coach? And I don't think I would not 605 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 2: have him coach my team. If I'm the athletic director 606 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 2: at ole Miss, I'd say, nope, you made your decision. 607 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 2: Go and don't act like you're the victim here. You 608 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 2: can't use leverage that you're going to take coaches in 609 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,239 Speaker 2: players if you don't let him coach this team in 610 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 2: the playoffs, as has been reported, I'd say, hey, see 611 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 2: you keep your tray in an upright lock position when 612 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 2: you fly out on that private jet. 613 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 4: Yeah. 614 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 7: And then the middle fingers saluting him on the way 615 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 7: out were told you the story, Yeah, Ole Miss and 616 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 7: could not let him hold them hostage. That was not 617 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 7: gonna work. It was a non starter. There are other 618 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 7: situations where coaches are leaving schools like John Summral at Tulane, 619 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 7: Eric Morris at North Texas worse to go in to 620 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 7: Oaklham State, Summer's going to Florida. The winner of their 621 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 7: game Friday is playing in the playoff and the guy 622 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 7: who coaches that team will coach them in the playoff. 623 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 7: But it's different when you're going from North Texas, Oklahoma State, 624 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 7: or Too Laye to Florida. When you're going from Ole 625 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 7: Miss LSU, you can't do it. And I found it 626 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 7: hilarious that Nick Saban kept saying, let him coach. Nick 627 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 7: Saban fired Lane Kiffin after the twenty sixteen season. Lane 628 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 7: Kiffin takes the Florida Atlantic head coaching job. He's the 629 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 7: Alabama offensive coordinator. He coaches the Peach Bowl, and between 630 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 7: the Peach Bowl and the National title game, Nick Saban 631 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 7: fired his ass. And now Nick Saban's like, sure, just 632 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,719 Speaker 7: let him coach. What could possibly go wrong? Like, of 633 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 7: all the people, you know, what can happen? 634 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 2: Why were all these analysts? It feels like carrying water 635 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 2: for Lane Kiffin that day he should be able to coach. 636 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 2: I understand that I don't want this to hurt our 637 00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 2: seating in the college football playoffs. You know, we ding 638 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 2: teams for losing their quarterbacks. That would be the only 639 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 2: reason why I would say, all right, we'll let you coach, 640 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 2: but only because we don't want we want to host 641 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 2: a playoff game. 642 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 7: I can't tell you why the game day disc all 643 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 7: did that. 644 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 2: I can't. 645 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 7: I mean, my guess is personal relationships with Lane Kiffin, 646 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 7: and they want to cultivate those and keep those healthy. Obviously, 647 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 7: it's a different for Nick Saban since they used to 648 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 7: work together, but for the other guys that look, lane 649 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 7: Kiffin's the most entertaining, polarizing, interesting figure in college football, 650 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 7: and if you work on college football's biggest show, you 651 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 7: want to maintain a good relationship. I suppose that's the 652 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 7: only excuse I can think of, because if they talk 653 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 7: to any athletic directors, and we did, there's not one 654 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 7: who would have let him coach All Miss through the playoff. 655 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:51,959 Speaker 7: All right, what's Penn State doing? That is a great question. 656 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 7: All I could think of is the judge smail as well. 657 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 7: We're waiting as all the other dominoes were falling. The 658 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 7: only thing I can think of is they've got somebody 659 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 7: in mind who's maybe coaching in a conference championship game 660 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 7: this week and doesn't want to do anything until after 661 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 7: that happens. That's the only thing I can think of, 662 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 7: and that leads you to a few names. So Bob 663 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 7: Chesney is the James Madison coach. And he's a name 664 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 7: that I've been saying for about a month because if 665 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 7: you look at Chesney's job history, Northeast guy went D three, 666 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 7: D two FCS, FBS, successful everywhere. It's kind of the 667 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 7: Kurt Signetti path, and you'd have thought, okay, from James Madison, 668 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 7: his next logical step is like Syracuse or Boston College. 669 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 7: But why would you have to wait for him to 670 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 7: coach Syracuse or Boston College for two years? He would 671 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 7: have ended up at Penn State anyway, Like, just get 672 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 7: him now. The other one I thought of, and it's 673 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 7: kind of a wild here, but he's a really good coach, 674 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 7: and I think people just assume he's not movable. Is 675 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 7: Colonie Sataki at BYU. He's at his alma mater, and 676 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 7: maybe he's not movable. Maybe he's just really happy there. 677 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 7: But a chance to coach at at an elite of 678 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 7: elite programs, that's one. I would certainly talk to him 679 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 7: if I were Penn State because I think he's an 680 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 7: excellent coach. But that's the only other one in the 681 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 7: Championship games I can think of, other than maybe Ohio 682 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 7: State offensive coordinator Brian Hartline, who kind of the Urban 683 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 7: Meyer path. He was the receivers coach. He's the OC now, 684 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 7: but not really a play caller in his history, but 685 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 7: receivers coach slash ace recruiter and maybe one of the 686 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 7: best recruits in the country and definitely the best receivers 687 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 7: coach in the country. I can see him being ready 688 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 7: to move up to head coaching job. I didn't know 689 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 7: if the jump that big would work, but he's one 690 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 7: I would have talked to as well. What's the NCAA 691 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 7: do with this hiring window? How do they kind of 692 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 7: prevent this? Well, there's an easy fix, but the coaches 693 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 7: don't want it. See that's the thing. The coaches like 694 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 7: to blame the NCAA for this stuff. The nc DOUBLEA 695 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 7: and well, the committees that come up with these ideas, 696 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 7: they've already come up with an idea that would work. 697 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 7: You bring high school signing Day back to February where 698 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 7: it was just have one there. You eliminate spring practice. 699 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,839 Speaker 7: You create an OTA type system that starts in May 700 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 7: in the first summer term. You move the transfer portal 701 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,320 Speaker 7: window into the spring, and players can leave in April 702 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 7: or whatever. The coaches didn't want that the coaches, like, 703 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 7: I want my team fixed by January. The coaches want 704 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 7: to move between December and January. The players want to 705 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 7: move between December and January two because that's the semester break. 706 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 7: And by the way, the NCAA is not changing that 707 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 7: because you'd have to move Christmas. And I don't think 708 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 7: they're that powerful. So if the coaches ever want to 709 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 7: come around on it, that's fine. But if they insist 710 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 7: that they want their team by January, then they get 711 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 7: to be the villains in this. They don't get to 712 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 7: blame the NCAA for it. 713 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, but the current messy system is great for coverage, 714 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:57,360 Speaker 2: it's great for contest. 715 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,919 Speaker 7: It's not though, Dan as someone who this year round. 716 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 7: I listen Ian Rappaport, Hey, you're yelling all the guy 717 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 7: ye Ian used to be a college football writer, so 718 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,800 Speaker 7: he understands my plight. I'm like, I'm like rap sheet. 719 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 7: You guys have the best calendar because you have the playoffs, 720 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 7: the super Bowl, the coaching carousel, free agency, OTAs like 721 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 7: it never stops. It's perfect. We have all the interesting 722 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,359 Speaker 7: stuff packed into December. I had a show yesterday, Dan 723 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 7: that would have filled a month's worth of offseason shows. 724 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:32,319 Speaker 7: I had to do it an hour and. 725 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 4: A half. 726 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 2: Talking. Andy Staples covers college football for on three Sports. 727 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,240 Speaker 2: Make a case for Texas making the playoffs. 728 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,320 Speaker 7: It's tough because they're so far down right now, and 729 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 7: I think, really they're they're ast out. But of the 730 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 7: nine and three teams, they would have the best case. 731 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 7: And here's why. Look at ten and two Vanderbilt. If 732 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 7: you're gonna consider ten and two Vanderbilt, consider nine and 733 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 7: three Texas, which beat Vanderbilt head to head, which has 734 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,479 Speaker 7: a better best win Texas A and M. And also 735 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 7: can make the complaint that if you don't pick them, 736 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 7: you are discouraging scheduling tough non conference games. Because their 737 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,880 Speaker 7: marque non conference game was at Ohio State, which they 738 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 7: lost fourteen to seven. Vanderbilt's marque non conference game was 739 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,879 Speaker 7: at Virginia Tech, which they won. If Texas had gone 740 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,760 Speaker 7: to Blacksburg, they also would have won. So or Texas 741 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,879 Speaker 7: had just scheduled Rice or somebody like that, they would 742 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 7: have won. So if you were to pick the other 743 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 7: team that didn't schedule as hard, then you are discouraging that. 744 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 7: And I don't want that to be discouraged. And I 745 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,720 Speaker 7: don't think anybody else does. I want a Texas Ohio 746 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,959 Speaker 7: State game to start the season, so if it came 747 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,359 Speaker 7: to that, I would hope they would pick Texas. I 748 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,759 Speaker 7: think Texas and Vandy unfortunately are kind of boxed out 749 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 7: at this point, so I don't know if it even 750 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 7: comes to that. 751 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 2: If Arch would come out, do you think he'd be 752 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 2: the number one quarterback taken? 753 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,359 Speaker 7: No? No, I don't. He's got work to do now. 754 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 7: He can grow into what would be an effective NFL quarterback. 755 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 7: He can grow into be a very high draft pick, 756 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 7: but he needs to get better if you want. Even 757 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,880 Speaker 7: the A and M game where he played pretty well, 758 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,439 Speaker 7: he misses a lot of easy throws still, and those 759 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 7: are throws that NFL quarterbacks don't miss. Those are throws 760 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 7: that Fernando Mendoza Indiana doesn't miss. And Fernando Mendoza is 761 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,960 Speaker 7: one that I think the NFL people are going to 762 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 7: be very excited about. He has the prototypical size, and 763 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 7: you've seen him in crunch time like at Penn State 764 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,960 Speaker 7: where he's making unbelievable throws. That's what they're looking for. 765 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,480 Speaker 7: Arch can be that. I'm just not sure he's there yet, 766 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,839 Speaker 7: and I imagine his support system is telling him, Hey, 767 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 7: more starts in college can get you there. 768 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,360 Speaker 2: Great to talk to you is always We'll talk to 769 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 2: you soon. Thank you, Andy, Thanks Dan. It's Andy Staples.