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Speaker 1: Hi, is this Katie?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 3: My god?

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Speaker 1: Is this low it is? How are you? Katie?

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Speaker 3: I'm about to ship my pants because so it's not it.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm excited to talk to you too. What's going

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Speaker 1: on with you? Man?

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Speaker 3: I was actually just eating some ramen and watching your stream.

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Speaker 1: You were eating some ramen and watching my stream? That

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Speaker 1: sounds nice. I haven't eaten ramen in a while. I

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Speaker 1: know it's high in salt contents, but I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to sit here and pretend like I give any half

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Speaker 1: of a shit about what I put into my body. Uh, Katie,

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Speaker 1: how can I get you today?

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Speaker 3: My father in law thinks that the family runs a

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Speaker 3: prostitution ring, which is not true at all.

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Speaker 1: Your father in law believes that your family runs a

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Speaker 1: prostitution ring.

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Speaker 3: Uh yeah.

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Speaker 1: Why does he think that?

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Speaker 3: Well, he has been well. I don't know if he's

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Speaker 3: currently on drugs, but he's been on drugs since my

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Speaker 3: husband was an infant, and I think mentally he's not

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Speaker 3: very well.

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Speaker 1: So you think that he is there any sort of

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Speaker 1: maybe a misunderstanding of things that he's observing within your

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Speaker 1: family that is causing him to believe this.

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Speaker 3: I don't think so.

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Speaker 4: Because he thinks that we have millions of dollars, but currently,

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Speaker 4: like I live in a trailer, so there's no way

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Speaker 4: that we're consuming that much money.

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Speaker 1: So what is your relationship like with your father in law?

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Speaker 3: Otherwise we don't talk to him. I haven't talked to

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Speaker 3: him since we got married.

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Speaker 1: Actually, really, what was it like when you were talking

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Speaker 1: about Yeah.

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Speaker 3: That was very interesting.

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Speaker 4: He is just very hard to talk to.

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Speaker 3: He likes to make up stories in his mind about

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Speaker 3: things that aren't true at all, And I honestly believe

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Speaker 3: he's a narcissist because he doesn't take any other person

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Speaker 1: So this whole thing about your family running a prostitution

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Speaker 1: ring is not the only thing that he has made

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Speaker 3: No, definitely not.

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Speaker 1: Other stories and whatnot has he fabricated.

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Speaker 4: Well, he said that my husband's friends when my husband

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Speaker 4: was a teenager, so he was sixteen, seventeen years old,

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Speaker 4: his friends were sleeping with his own mother, and which

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Speaker 4: wasn't true at all, and his little brother, who was

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Speaker 4: his mother, and.

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Speaker 3: That that's what began the prostitution ring.

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Speaker 1: So your father in law believes that about himself that

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Speaker 1: when he was younger, his friends used to sleep with

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Speaker 1: his mother.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no no. My father in law believes

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Speaker 3: that his own son's friends were sleep being with my

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Speaker 3: current husband.

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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, you're okay, guys, I'm getting the family tree down.

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Speaker 1: So your father in law believes that your husband, his son,

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Speaker 1: that his friends slept with his mother, your father in

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, And he believes that this was happening a while ago,

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Speaker 1: or that this is happening currently.

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Speaker 4: This happened a while ago, but now he thinks that

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Speaker 4: it has progressed to a whole prostitution ring across two

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Speaker 4: different states because we live right on the North Carolina

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Speaker 4: and Tennessee state line. He's actually went to the state

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Speaker 4: Bureau of States and they told him that he needed

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Speaker 4: to get off drugs and there was no proof whatsoever.

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Speaker 4: He's actually taken laptops, uh, cell phones and other things

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Speaker 4: to the police stations and they've investigated and found no

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Speaker 4: seek help.

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Speaker 1: What kinds of things is he presenting his evidence on

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Speaker 1: these laptops? Like, what is he saying is evidence that

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Speaker 4: He says that they have been hacked, which I believe

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Speaker 4: he's just locked himself out of the account and can't

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Speaker 4: get back in, so he thinks that.

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Speaker 3: He's hacked, but I don't actually know. He's just not

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Speaker 3: mentally well at all.

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Speaker 1: Well, okay, so these accounts like, so your father in

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Speaker 1: of a prostitution ring.

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Speaker 3: Exactly.

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Speaker 1: I would also respond with, sir, you need to lay

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Speaker 1: off the drugs. That's how I would respond, exactly. What Okay,

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Speaker 1: what is it? What about the mother in law? What's

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Speaker 4: Well, she's currently trying to get a divorce from him.

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Speaker 4: I'm not really sure because he has been back currently

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Speaker 4: and tried to steal things from our previous property that

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Speaker 4: he tried to steal things from the people that live

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Speaker 1: Divorce your father in law? Okay, I'm sorry, I interrupted.

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Speaker 1: She tries to defend.

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Speaker 4: Him, She is trying to divorce him, but she also

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Speaker 4: defends him at the same time.

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Speaker 1: What does she say in her defense of.

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Speaker 4: Him that he's not mentally well and that he doesn't

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Speaker 4: mean any harm?

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Speaker 1: Mm and uh, what about your mother? And I she

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Speaker 1: sort of mentally okay.

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Speaker 4: I think she's just been abused a little bit by him.

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Speaker 3: I think she's okay, she just needs some time.

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Speaker 1: Oh you think that she's been abused by him.

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Speaker 3: Not physically but mentally.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, And she's okay. She doesn't feed into or

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Speaker 1: or agree with any of these sort of wild things

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Speaker 3: Oh no, definitely not.

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Speaker 1: So tell me about your husband. What's his whole relationship

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Speaker 1: like with his family, because it sounds like there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of drama going on there.

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Speaker 3: Oh, there is plenty of drama. He he loves.

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Speaker 4: His mom but tries not to get too involved, and

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Speaker 4: he has no content with his dad whatsoever. But I

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Speaker 4: actually I can get him to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: If you want sure. Is he cool with that?

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Speaker 3: Let me make sure real fast. But I think he

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Speaker 1: Is he in the room with you?

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Speaker 5: He is?

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Speaker 3: Do you want to talk to him?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I'd love to talk to him.

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Speaker 3: Okay, here he is.

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Speaker 5: There's no way.

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Speaker 6: This is the third right now?

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Speaker 1: Who what's up?

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Speaker 5: Man?

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Speaker 1: What's your name? My name is Chris, Chris.

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Speaker 7: How you doing.

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Speaker 1: Chris, I'm doing good man, Chris, I'm sorry, I forgot

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Speaker 1: you guys. Relationship right, is she your fiance or your wife?

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Speaker 7: Shoes my wife?

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Speaker 1: Your wife? Okay, right, I guess I guess if it's

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Speaker 1: an in law, you guys are made well your wife.

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Speaker 1: You picked a great person to be your wife because

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Speaker 1: she's clearly very invested in you and in your family

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Speaker 1: and cares a lot. I'll say that off the bat.

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Speaker 1: She was telling me that your father and that your

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Speaker 1: father has been sort of losing it.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 5: I am one lucky guy to have her in my life.

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Speaker 6: But then and again.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, my dad's taking a toll. I don't I don't

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Speaker 5: know exactly what got doing, but I think it's something

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Speaker 5: he's had and it's got worse because of drug abuse.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, he's a he's a showcase, that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, how do you feel about all this

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Speaker 1: because you haven't talked to him in a while, but

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Speaker 1: you know, you're clearly, like I guess, connected with him

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Speaker 1: enough or you're thinking about him enough for you guys

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Speaker 1: to bring him up to me.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely. We thought it just be a really good story,

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Speaker 5: I mean for me, it's not really like an emotional

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Speaker 5: thing because it's been going on since I mean, like

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Speaker 5: I was I mean basically born, I guess, And I

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Speaker 5: mean I can remember little kid being involved in some

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Speaker 5: has a couple of different personalities and that's sure.

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Speaker 1: Do you ever think that that affected you at all

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, definitely without a doubt, Like being you know,

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Speaker 5: knowing what all these different I guess, different kinds of people,

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Speaker 5: that's for sure. I mean, you know, bouncing around trailer

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Speaker 1: What about your mom, Do you still keep in contact

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 1: My mom.

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Speaker 5: She was a lot different when she.

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Speaker 6: Was with my dad.

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Speaker 5: My mom, she's kind of like she had been with

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Speaker 5: once she got away from him, actually she got a

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Speaker 5: lot better. The last time she talked to him, and

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Speaker 5: it was actually the last day I talked to him

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Speaker 5: as well, and it was on my wedding day.

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Speaker 6: Of all things.

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Speaker 1: Oh.

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Speaker 5: Actually, no, my mom has had to keep up a

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Speaker 5: little bit with him. Here and there because she's told

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Speaker 5: it's anything like it was when we were younger, because

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Speaker 5: I mean, you know, Mom could hide it pretty well,

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Speaker 5: but me and mom saying really good contact. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I try to help her when I can, but you know,

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Speaker 5: with her a lot, it's changed, that's for sure. But

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Speaker 5: she definitely is a lot more in my life than my.

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Speaker 1: Dad and has your relationship. So your relationship with your

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Speaker 1: mom has gotten better, it sounds once she got away

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Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely, because she opened up and I knew that

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Speaker 5: which was basically I mean all the time he was there,

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Speaker 5: not really in family events because he would start drama,

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Speaker 5: and she was a completely different person even when we

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Speaker 5: were younger when he wasn't around.

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Speaker 1: You said she was opening up to you. What kinds

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Speaker 1: of things would she open up to you about?

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Speaker 5: Uh, just kind of like I guess her relationships and

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Speaker 5: what she does day to day now instead of being

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Speaker 5: you know, kind of just like I'm with your dad

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Speaker 5: She's definitely showed more of her personality simply being away

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Speaker 5: from him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's forming a bit more of her own identity

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Speaker 1: in her own life.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, because they got married, well, they actually was in

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Speaker 5: a they both had kids with. I have two sets

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Speaker 5: of stepbrothers, one from my mom's side and one from

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Speaker 5: my dad's side. But I mean that was you know,

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Speaker 5: they were probably nineteen twenty when they had their first kid,

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Speaker 5: and then they got together after that.

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Speaker 1: Do you are you in good touch with the brothers

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Speaker 1: and the sisters.

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Speaker 6: Oh, yeah, definitely. I have an older brother.

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Speaker 1: You know, this is this is I'm very impressed with

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Speaker 4: Not necessarily the people of the computer, but thank you

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Speaker 3: It may not not, Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: Of course, of course. Thank you guys very much for

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Speaker 5: You too, you too, see it?

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Speaker 1: See you guys? Ah oh. I love to those guys.

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Speaker 1: This is the Gecko? What's going on with you? David?

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Speaker 7: Hey man? How's it going?

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Speaker 1: Well, David, how can I get you this evening?

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Speaker 7: You know that's a good question. So right now I'm

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Speaker 1: The post has David, are you? Are you? This is

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Speaker 7: I mean she has a boyfriend, and I don't want

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't make sense. And Here's what I would

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Speaker 1: You're making this too complicated for yourself, David. If you

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Speaker 1: Find and you're you're you're a hopeless romantic boy. Go

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Speaker 1: David, you're just David. You're in charge. Yeah, you're in charge.

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Speaker 1: Go pursue that and and don't be wasting time here

449
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: in in this, in this strange daydream that you're having.

450
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 1: Can you do that for I really want you to

451
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 1: see outside of this.

452
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 7: Absolutely for you, Lyle.

453
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: Anything, No, don't do it. I don't want you to

454
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: do it for me. I want you to do it

455
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 1: for yourself.

456
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 7: That was okay, I'll do it for me now.

457
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: Okay.

458
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 7: If this is not for you at all anymore, Lyle.

459
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like fucking with you here a little bit,

460
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: and I want to hear what you actually have to

461
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: think about what the conversation that we're having, because I

462
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: feel like I'm not letting you talk as much.

463
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 7: I mean, okay, I agree with a lot of your points,

464
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 7: but I don't feel like I'm I'm I don't feel

465
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 7: like I'm romanticizing this as much as it may seem

466
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 7: over the call. It's just something that I'm having trouble with,

467
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 7: just even as just a platonic thing. It's weird, like

468
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 7: even if it was like a friend, like a dude

469
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 7: friend of mine and they gave me their head sculpt

470
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 7: and just having to pose them and deal with something. Dude,

471
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 7: I've had a conversation with this person about milk duds.

472
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 7: I've never skull in someone's face or just I don't know,

473
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 7: it feels weird to have a digital version of a

474
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 7: friend just there.

475
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: You What are you talking about with milk duds?

476
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 7: It's just like we've had an actual, real human conversation before.

477
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 7: I've never sculpted somebody that I've you know, have weird

478
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 7: conversations with.

479
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, different David. I'm gonna David, listen. Are

480
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: you you're like switching up your story on me here.

481
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're like, don't want to admit something.

482
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if you are like feel like you

483
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: gave the wrong impression. But you're telling me here that

484
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: you you're telling me all these telling like five hundred

485
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: different things. You're telling me that you have this like

486
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: thing where you fall in love with people who are

487
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: emotionally available. You're telling me this thing where you're romanticized, Like,

488
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: where where are we with this? Be honest with me,

489
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: Tell me where we are honestly with this, and then

490
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: what you ever you tell tell me next is the

491
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: angle that we're going to go with and that we're

492
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: gonna end on. Okay, tell me the honest thing.

493
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 7: The honest angle is that I'm trying to not romanticize

494
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 7: the situation. Okay, great, and I do feel like I

495
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 7: am in control and I am a professional and I

496
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 7: can do that.

497
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think that too.

498
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 7: I just I don't know, man, I appreciate you talking

499
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 7: to me.

500
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: While of course, of course I'm sorry if if I

501
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: seemed like I was like getting mad at you, I'm not, man,

502
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get us on like a page,

503
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: because we're going all over the place. Here.

504
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 7: No, I don't. Here's why I didn't get that.

505
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: Here's the here's the final thing I'll tell you if

506
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: you're having trouble with this. First of all, if you

507
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: have a platonic uh friend of the opposite gender or

508
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: of the same, the gender doesn't matter. But if you

509
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: have a platonic friend who you are romantically attracted to,

510
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: and you feel as though that romantic attraction is getting

511
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: in the way of your friendship, I do believe it

512
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: is okay to, for the sake of yourself, limit exposure

513
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: and interaction to that person. That's one and then two.

514
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: If you feel as though these romanticizations are persistent, you

515
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: can ignore them, or you can go and sculpt something else.

516
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: But it is within your power to ignore them. It

517
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: is within your power. That's what mindfulness is. When you

518
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: observe your thoughts and go, oh, I'm in this thought

519
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: pattern that's not good for me. I'm going to steer

520
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: away from That is within your control as a human being.

521
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: So let's tell you those things. Is there anything else

522
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: you want to say to the people of the computer

523
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: before we go?

524
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 7: Shout out Tim, Shout out the guy who set me up.

525
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 6: Tim.

526
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 7: I appreciate him.

527
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: He's a good man. David, thank you very much for

528
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: calling and sharing, and I wish you good luck.

529
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 7: Hey you two while I have a good one, you.

530
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: Too, man. There is also another thing about falling in

531
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: love with the idea of a person, which I think

532
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: we all do, especially now, Like if you have a

533
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: crush on someone and you're like looking at their Instagram

534
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: a lot, you know, or if you have a crush

535
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: on someone and it's someone you've been texting and you know,

536
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: keeping in contact with over social media, you almost start

537
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: doing exactly what David is doing, where you're forming this

538
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: idea of a person based on some digital persona. I've

539
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: done this, you know, everyone does that. It's a weird thing,

540
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: but we all kind of do it. Let's talk to Juan. Hello, Wan,

541
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:42,719
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there you go.

542
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 2: What's going on?

543
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: Uh Wan? What's going on with you today? Uh? Nothing.

544
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 2: I just kind of wanted to tell the story. Just

545
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: get some of my chest, you know what I mean.

546
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: Okay, what's the story?

547
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 2: Well, I guess I just like the round it up,

548
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 2: like sum it up. It's just like back of the day.

549
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 2: I was hanging out around a lot with my cousin,

550
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 2: like he was an older cousin, and we ended up

551
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 2: robbing the liquor store. I was like around like nine

552
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 2: ten when everything went down. It's kind of like a

553
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 2: long story to take a two part story and how

554
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know what I mean, like keep you

555
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 2: on the line too long, give everyone a chance and all.

556
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: You know, Well, okay, so you were nine years old,

557
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: hang out with your older cousin. Old was your cousin?

558
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 2: He was probably like seventeen eighteen really.

559
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: And yeah, how did he get you involved in robbing

560
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: a liquor store with him?

561
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 2: Well, we were kind of you know, we're kind of

562
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 2: breaking in the homes already. All this happened like back

563
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 2: in like two thousand and nine ten. Yeah, it all

564
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 2: just started just kind of like just like after school activities.

565
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 2: I guess, you know, I'm just getting into shit. We

566
00:33:58,840 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 2: weren't even supposed to be doing.

567
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, but.

568
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 2: We actually ended up breaking into a home and I

569
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 2: guess the owner was a gun fanatic and he had

570
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 2: a lot of a lot of weapons, and you know,

571
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 2: that was like I guess like the main target that

572
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 2: we took. It just it was mostly me and him

573
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 2: kind of everyone else kind of just kind of did

574
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 2: their own things, but it was just it's always just

575
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 2: me and him, just you know, we go like literally

576
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 2: right after school because we knew, like you know, white

577
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 2: houses didn't have you know, kids, like you know, usually

578
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 2: everyone's like still at work during like the days, so

579
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 2: you know, it's just like it's prime time. You know.

580
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 1: So what is like your thought process about what you're

581
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: doing when you're nine, Are you like, oh this is

582
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 1: fucked up or oh this is kind of cool, or

583
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: what's your head about you're doing?

584
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: It definitely was like a I guess like older looking back,

585
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, It just like it felt

586
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 2: like I idolized that lifestyle. I felt like, you know

587
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 2: what I mean, It was cool, Like you know, no

588
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 2: one could tell you nothing, you know, like I don't know,

589
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 2: it was just dumb, you know what I mean?

590
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 6: Looking back?

591
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: Did you did you when you were nine? Did you

592
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 1: did you handle any weapons? Did you have any guns

593
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: or anything like that?

594
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 2: Well, not personally, just because I feel like I hang

595
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 2: around with a lot of oglaholmies, so they kind of

596
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,479
Speaker 2: showed me how to like do things like like you said,

597
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 2: not having weapons on you.

598
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 6: And it's just like we.

599
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 2: Had stash spots like around the neighborhood. It's like, you know,

600
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 2: something would happen and you need to grab something, you

601
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 2: know where to go to hold it.

602
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: You never held it, so you so you would stash

603
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: weapons around the neighborhood where you knew where they were

604
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: in case if you needed them just see okay, And

605
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,760
Speaker 1: so you were nine when you robed this bicker store

606
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: And how did that go down? Exactly? It was just

607
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: you and your cousin.

608
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was mostly me and him. Like he had

609
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 2: like you know, his friends and you know, my message

610
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 2: on their own end. But it was just you know,

611
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 2: when you know, stuff had to go down, it was

612
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 2: usually he would call me to go with him and

613
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 2: then yeah, I remember literally just like so vague. If

614
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 2: I close my eyes, I could remember like the sun

615
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 2: in my face, Like I remember it was hot, and like, yeah,

616
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 2: like we all had like a meat up spot, like

617
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 2: because we stayed in some apartments and like you always

618
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 2: had like a meet up spot near like the garbage, Like.

619
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 6: What did those freshures?

620
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 2: And like we all met up back there, and you know,

621
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 2: you let out the plan and we had eyes looking

622
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 2: out those But I was going to be me and

623
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: him stepped into the store.

624
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, what was your sort of job in all of this?

625
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 2: So you know, me being really young, he you know,

626
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 2: he was going to be like the front of the

627
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 2: house basically like you know, getting everything, be kind the register,

628
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 2: and like I was going to be basically securing goods.

629
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,479
Speaker 2: I was walking with them on the side of the road,

630
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 2: down the side of the road, but like on the

631
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 2: sidewalk and stuff, and like, yeah, I was walking with him,

632
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 2: and I remember he took off his hoodie and like

633
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 2: it was hot, and he told me to put it on,

634
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 2: and I put it on, and I mean I already

635
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 2: knew what I was gonna go, do you know, it

636
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,760
Speaker 2: was already premeditated and everything. Yeah, so your.

637
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: Job was to was to protect him. Is that what

638
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: you're saying.

639
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 2: Nah, It was just like because all this shit was

640
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 2: like laid out, it was like four people in play,

641
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 2: but it was like someone went in made sure the

642
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 2: store was clear about a little something. Then they left,

643
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 2: and they gave us the queue to like you know,

644
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 2: walk in when the store was empty, and I tucked

645
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 2: in the hoodie he gave me into my waistline to

646
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 2: make it into like little pockets, and as soon as

647
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: he hit the fucking door, it was like green light,

648
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 2: and like I already knew what I had to go do,

649
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 2: which was like go to the fucking beer section and

650
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 2: start stuffing beer into like the hoodie, and like because

651
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 2: I took it into my waistband, it just made like

652
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 2: a big old backpack. So I just started grabbing just

653
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 2: like beer and like liquor, and literally I feel like,

654
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 2: you know, even back then, just thinking about it, I

655
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 2: was just like, you know, the little rugrats. So like,

656
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 2: of course I went for like chips and like you know, snacks,

657
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 2: and I was thinking about like you know, sew the

658
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 2: pops and stuff, you know, So that was like my thing.

659
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,919
Speaker 1: He was so so what was going on with your

660
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: like parents at the time, Like, did they or your

661
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: your cousin's parents have any idea what you guys were doing.

662
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 2: I felt like, you know, he was definitely older, so

663
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 2: he took a lot of the heat and he you know,

664
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 2: it was mostly like him. And I feel.

665
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: Like they found out what you guys were doing, were

666
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: they yeah? And what what what? What sort of went

667
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: down when they found out that you guys were doing

668
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:06,240
Speaker 1: all this ship?

669
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 2: Uh the cops came to the door and like they

670
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 2: knew exactly who they were running for, and like so,

671
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 2: uh so I guess like one of the houses we

672
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 2: ended up breaking into. One of the neighbors ended up

673
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 2: watching the ship go down, and like they saw this,

674
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 2: like bust the window and walk in and like yeah,

675
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 2: I mean we got everything and we left before the

676
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 2: cops of it, right, but we didn't know there was

677
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 2: a witness and like they were able to like identify,

678
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 2: you know, us and stuff like that, and then yeah,

679
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 2: yeah and ended up just like pointing the finger like

680
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 2: oh yeah that, well.

681
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: Tell me, tell me tell me less, tell me less

682
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: about the how, and tell me less about how you

683
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: guys got caught, because I'm not as interested in how

684
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: you guys got caught as I am, and how your

685
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: parents reacted when you did.

686
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 2: I feel like I felt like no one really knew

687
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 2: I was kind of like super involved because they knew

688
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 2: I would hang out with him and stuff like that,

689
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 2: but it was never like I don't know, I felt

690
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 2: like everyone just kind of saw me like it was

691
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 2: a good kid, you know what I mean. So I

692
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 2: would just kind of like really try to play that role.

693
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 2: And it was like whenever the cops showed up to

694
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 2: the house, it was during a family event. We were

695
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 2: at a party my gas house, which is like you know,

696
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 2: my cousin's mom, and like we were all right there

697
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 2: and like there was a banging on the door, you know,

698
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,720
Speaker 2: and we turned on the music and like they opened

699
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 2: up and they were like, yeah, we're looking for Julano,

700
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,240
Speaker 2: and like they were like, you know, we have re poured,

701
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 2: so we just want to ask them some questions. And

702
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 2: like you know, when they opened the door, they saw

703
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 2: him like literally right there, like standing right there, so

704
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 2: that just gave him like green light to like step

705
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 2: in and like arrest them run from everybody, and like

706
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 2: they were saying that the witness go ahead and continue.

707
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: So tell me about like now, like, do you still

708
00:40:58,400 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: keep in contact with your cousin?

709
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 2: Nah, because all this happened like a long time ago,

710
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 2: and it happened in California, and like a little I

711
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 2: feel like, you know, just my parents, I felt like

712
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 2: they started hearing all the static that was kind of

713
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 2: going around and they kind of just packed their bags

714
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 2: and we just kind of drove out here to Texas,

715
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 2: and like I've been stationed out here since then, you

716
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 2: know what I mean.

717
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,439
Speaker 1: Okay, So, so part of your parents' reaction, So part

718
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: of your parents' reaction was to move away from from

719
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: your cousin and his family.

720
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, it was just just my less influencias, you

721
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 2: know what I mean that influences.

722
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: Okay, So I mean that's a pretty that's pretty wild,

723
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: wild stuff for you to be doing at nine. Do

724
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: you feel like and you are also saying that you

725
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: looked up to your cousin and you sort of idolized

726
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: this kind of lifestyle. So even after you stopped hanging

727
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,479
Speaker 1: out with your cousin, were you still like getting into

728
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: trouble at like, you know, in middle school and high school?

729
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 2: For sure? I feel like, you know, like you know,

730
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 2: fresh face on the block. I felt like I had

731
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,919
Speaker 2: something to prove, so I was just wilding out.

732
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: You know.

733
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 2: Eventually I did end up getting picked up, and it

734
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 2: was like a whole thing.

735
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 7: But I feel like, you mean, what do you mean

736
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 7: by it?

737
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: What is picked up?

738
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 7: Man?

739
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 2: Like picked up by the law? Like I was eventually

740
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 2: like you know, apprehended, like arrested and stuff like that.

741
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 1: And when you arrested, how long were you were?

742
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 3: You were?

743
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: You were you putting jail for.

744
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,720
Speaker 2: Like a day or two? It was like real quick.

745
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 2: I got picked up for like having half ounds of

746
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 2: butt on me, but they were trying to put a

747
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 2: lot of stuff on me because it was individually packaged,

748
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 2: and they were trying to say I was like distributing

749
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 2: on school property.

750
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 7: You know.

751
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: So tell me about what do you do now?

752
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 6: Uh?

753
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 2: Well, right now, I'm working at a warehouse, you know

754
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 2: what I mean, as a forklift operator. I got my

755
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 2: own little corner of the world right here with my fiance.

756
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 2: We're planning on getting married in August, you know, Lord Willing.

757
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 2: And yeah, no, I mean she helped me out to

758
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 2: a lot. I feel like she really done straightened me out,

759
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 2: you know.

760
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: Really really happen like that she strained you out.

761
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 2: I just started taking it stopped taking like a lot

762
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 2: of zands, and like, you know what I mean, I

763
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 2: feel like, you know, having someone you know that cares

764
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: about you that much, you know, you hate doing stuff

765
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 2: that would hurt on I guess, and you know, I

766
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 2: feel like I would try to take care of myself

767
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 2: a little bit better, just like, you know, for her sake.

768
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 2: And it was just like overall, it's like, yeah, it

769
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 2: was rough, you know.

770
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: M hm, Well, I'm glad. It sounds like it sounds

771
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: like you're on an upward trajectory. It sounds like you've

772
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: you've had this.

773
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 2: Man, right, I'm trying.

774
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So you say you're trying.

775
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.

776
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: Tell me a little bit about out the like the

777
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: transition between you know, because it doesn't sound you do

778
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: you do do any sort of like like wild ship now?

779
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 6: Uh nah?

780
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 2: I feel like now why I think like the wildest

781
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 2: thing we do now is just like go out to

782
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 2: eat and like drink.

783
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 1: A little bit and come, yeah, I think you're going

784
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: out to drink is not exactly what I mean by

785
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: wild ship, but that's a good thing. So tell me

786
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: when you sort of transitioned because you kind of seemed

787
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 1: like you were on like a trajectory to like either

788
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: really get fucked up in a fight, you know, if

789
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: you're running around using using guns and having you know,

790
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: doing all this ship with a stash box, or you know,

791
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: accidentally doing something really fucked up and winding up in

792
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: jail for a long time. But you didn't, and now

793
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: you got a nice little thing going on. As you said,

794
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: you're on the corner of the universe with your fiance

795
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 1: and you know, hoping to have a child and you

796
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: know all this all this great stuff. What made you

797
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 1: kind of transition away because you're still pretty young it

798
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: since you're twenty two, So what kind of made you

799
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: transition away from you know, doing all this all this

800
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: stuff to where you are now?

801
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 2: I think definitely just like a really taking a step

802
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 2: back and really looking at like I guess, like my

803
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:33,399
Speaker 2: atmosphere in my environment, just because you know, I mean,

804
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 2: they're my cousins, so they're family. And like even my

805
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 2: mom now to this day, she keeps track of them,

806
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 2: like through the Facebook and stuff like that, and like

807
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 2: sometimes she'd be like, oh, look, you remember you know Julano,

808
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 2: and like she shows me a picture and like just

809
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 2: seeing him like covered in Tad's like he doesn't even

810
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 2: look like the person I remember, you know what I mean.

811
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 2: And it's just like a it's kind of sad, you

812
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 2: know what I mean, just because like I'm like, I know,

813
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 2: he wasn't that much older than me, and it was like,

814
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, like I was, Damn. It's

815
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 2: just and then you know, seeing you know, the friends

816
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 2: that I've made here, like struggle with like addiction and

817
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 2: shit like that, it's just kind of you know, I

818
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 2: don't want that for myself, you know what I mean, Like, yeah,

819
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 2: you know, I got my siblings, and it's just you

820
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 2: know when.

821
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: You look at your brother, not your brother, your cousin

822
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, I don't even recognize him anymore.

823
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: Did you sort of uh see yourself in that and go, oh,

824
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to end up you know, not recognizing

825
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,399
Speaker 1: an older picture of myself or anything like that.

826
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, stuff like that. And it was just like I

827
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 2: feel like, especially like you know, as I got older,

828
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, my eyes widened a little more,

829
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 2: and like, you know, seeing my siblings, like I just

830
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 2: don't want them to repeat what I've done, and like

831
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 2: and I see that now with my little brother like

832
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 2: that he just turned eighteen, and like no, I went

833
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 2: over and like, you know, chat it up with him

834
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, and it was like, yeah, I

835
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 2: guess like seeing his point of view, like he was

836
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 2: idolizing that life too, and I was just like, yo,

837
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 2: that ain't it, you know what I mean? Because when

838
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 2: my cousin got arrested and like you know, they said

839
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 2: there was a second person with you entering a home,

840
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 2: he took the rap for everything. He looked at me

841
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 2: straight in the eye and like you didn't say nothing,

842
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 2: Like he was just like nah, it was just me.

843
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 2: And like later on, you know, I feel like I

844
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 2: just took like an oe of silence and it was

845
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 2: just I carried that with me like forever, you know

846
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like the only person that I've ever

847
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 2: told is like really my fiance and it's just like,

848
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know, I just don't like thinking

849
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 2: about that stuff. It makes me.

850
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 6: Feel past.

851
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: Well, Juan, I'm I'm glad to hear that you're being

852
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: a good role model for your brother. I'm glad to

853
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: hear that you found a person in your life who

854
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: seems to be a great source of stability for you.

855
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 1: And I'm glad to hear that you have things going

856
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: on in the future that you're excited about.

857
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 2: Man, definitely for sure. Oh my god, I didn't ever

858
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 2: thought I was gonna get.

859
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: The as Wow one. Is there anything else you want

860
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: to start to the people of the computer before we go?

861
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Man, don't let the wrong style destroy your dreams.

862
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 2: You know, believe in yourself. And uh, I want to

863
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 2: just give a big shout out to the Boys and

864
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 2: Girls Club. You know, I feel like they really didn't

865
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 2: help me out a lot in my youth. And you know,

866
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 2: one day, when I'm reaching famous, I'll be able to

867
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 2: give back, you know. But yeah, hey.

868
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: When you're rich and famous, can I have thirty dollars?

869
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 2: My guy? I would take you out to eat and

870
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 2: I'll pay for the tab and you could keep the

871
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 2: thirty dollars, you know.

872
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: Okay, good, I'm gonna hold you to that, all.

873
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 2: Right, mister k I really appreciate you and what you do.

874
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for Hong one. Thanks for sharing me.

875
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:49,919
Speaker 1: I'll talk to you John, Yes, sir, all right. Likewise, Hello, Hi,

876
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: what's up?

877
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 3: Not a whole lot. I'm stick. I'm checking out my

878
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 3: goldfish right now? How are you?

879
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: You are checking out your goldfish right now? What? What

880
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: does uh? What does that mean?

881
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 3: Well, I'm sitting in front of I'm sitting in front

882
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 3: of her tank, and you know, she's just like doing

883
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 3: her things and I'm just checking it out. You know,

884
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 3: she's very silly. She'll like like she'll like react to

885
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 3: my finger if I put it in front of her,

886
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 3: and it's really funny. And sometimes she'll splash water on

887
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 3: me because she's a little bit of a bitch. But

888
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 3: you know what, I love her.

889
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: What made you want to get a goldfish?

890
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 3: Well, I had at one point I had like six

891
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 3: tanks set up, and I had like different kinds of

892
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 3: fish in all of them, but I hadn't had a

893
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 3: goldfish yet, mostly because it's kind of like not well known.

894
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 3: But goldfish actually live a really long time and they

895
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 3: can get up like big, like like coyfish big, like.

896
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 7: A foot long.

897
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 3: So I knew that it was going to require like

898
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 3: a bigger tank, and at the time I would like

899
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 3: didn't have the space for it, but I made some

900
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 3: like rearrangements. I got a nice table for it, and

901
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,280
Speaker 3: she's up there. She's it's right next to our bed.

902
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 3: She's got a couple of little playkos in there with her.

903
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 3: Those are the little sucker fish, and then she's also

904
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 3: got a beta in there with her and some snails.

905
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 7: She's a happy girl.

906
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: Uh So, Maddie, what is it that you would like

907
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: to talk about today?

908
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 3: Well, I called you to talk about my current unhealthy

909
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 3: obsession that has kind of put me in a weird

910
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 3: position that I kind of feel like trapped in now

911
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 3: just because of the results that I've seen. So I'm

912
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 3: not exactly sure how the calls werena worded it. Do

913
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 3: you want to read it or should I just go

914
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 3: ahead and start.

915
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: I go ahead and go ahead and tell me.

916
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 3: Okay, okay. So I collect this brand of stuffed animal.

917
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 7: It's called Squishable.

918
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 3: They make really really like high quality stuffed animals. They

919
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 3: don't they're not specifically animals, like. They have a whole

920
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:17,720
Speaker 3: line of food food style ones. They're called the comfort Foods,

921
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 3: and they're so cool, like they have anything you could

922
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 3: think of, like broccoli, lemons, watermelon.

923
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: Oh this is uh, this is yes. It says here

924
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: you're addicted to Squishables. I've heard of trying to make

925
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: a gecko squishable at some point, I would love to

926
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: make a therapy gecko squishable. See, I don't know.

927
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 3: If they have a gecko actually, now that you said that,

928
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 3: they might like maybe an older version.

929
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: But no, no, no, not not just any gecko. I'm

930
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: talking about me. I want my face on it.

931
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 3: Oh you want it to be you? Okay, Like they

932
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 3: do collaborations with people sometimes, you know, maybe it's in

933
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 3: the cards.

934
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, so anyway, it says that it says here

935
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: that you have an addicted wait hoy, hello, year of

936
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 1: over three hundred of them.

937
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do.

938
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: You have three hundred of them?

939
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 3: I haven't counted recently, but the last time that I

940
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 3: did count, I was bordering on two hundred and it's

941
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 3: been a few months now, so I'm I feel like

942
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 3: that's a pretty healthy.

943
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: Guess what is it that is driving your obsession?

944
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,399
Speaker 3: They are cute little faces and the fact that they

945
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 3: are just like the most huggable things in the world,

946
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 3: and they're so soft, like they're the softest thing you've

947
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 3: ever felt. And it's like I feel like every time

948
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 3: I touch it, like I'm taking a hit of like drug,

949
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 3: you know, Like it's just like gives me, that feel

950
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 3: good in my brain and there's there's nothing.

951
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:56,399
Speaker 7: Else like it.

952
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: Okay, So you have hundreds of these and how much

953
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,240
Speaker 1: do they cost per unit?

954
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 3: Well, it depends because they're kind of they're pretty popular.

955
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 3: So something that they do is they cycle through designs.

956
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 3: So they have a whole, like huge list of retired designs,

957
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 3: so they don't make them anymore, so they're more range.

958
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:30,839
Speaker 1: Give me a range, like twenty to two hundred dollars,

959
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 1: twenty to two hundred dollars. Tell me what is the

960
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 1: most expensive one that you've purchased? About two fifty okay,

961
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: so minimum the floor is twenty dollars.

962
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 3: Yeah about you know, I mean if you get like

963
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 3: if you get lucky and somebody is just trying to

964
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 3: get rid of like a little tiny one that they have,

965
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 3: you know, maybe you get it for like five ten bucks.

966
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 3: But if you're trying to get one that's in you know,

967
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 3: it's in good condition, you know you're going to be

968
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 3: spent at least twenty dollars for shipping.

969
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: And approximately how much money have you spent on these

970
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: squish mellows?

971
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 3: So I have been I have done the math before.

972
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 3: It's been at least like a month since I've done

973
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 3: the math. If I okay, it's gonna be so bad,

974
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 3: it's prob gonna be more than like eight thousand dollars.

975
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 1: Okay, And how are you funding your squish mellow addiction?

976
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 3: So all right, So it started last year like December

977
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 3: ish because where I work at, we have a huge

978
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 3: like holiday season where you know, we're putting out all

979
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 3: these specialty holiday merchandise. You know, we got the holiday

980
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 3: like the flavors and stuff, you know, because I work

981
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 3: at a like a retail like a fast food type deal.

982
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 3: So we're serving you know, the holidays drinks for serving

983
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:07,479
Speaker 3: the holiday food, you know, all that stuff. Yeah and yeah, yeah.

984
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 3: So at the end of it, at the end of

985
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 3: the season, we throw all this shit away that we

986
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 3: don't use, Like they give us like a like a

987
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 3: date and then when that date comes, they gotta go.

988
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 3: So I have happened to weasel my way into handling

989
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:30,760
Speaker 3: the marking out and disposing of the product. And usually

990
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 3: like I'm there like closing at night. So I just

991
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 3: took I was like, you know, okay, yeah, I'll take

992
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,439
Speaker 3: the trash out, guys. And then I took it all

993
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:39,760
Speaker 3: all that stuff and just put it behind the dumpster

994
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 3: because it's not like a locked thing at all. So

995
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 3: I just drove off their grabbed hit and it too

996
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 3: go home. And once that, you know, I started selling

997
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 3: it like on eBay, and once that stuff was listed,

998
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 3: it's sold fast. So I was like, I kind of

999
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:02,720
Speaker 3: was like, oh shit, like it kind of got me hooked.

1000
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 3: So I after I was done with all the holidays,

1001
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 3: have I just started doing regular stuff?

1002
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: And how much money have you made from selling these

1003
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: holiday items.

1004
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 3: A good week? Like a good week, I can get

1005
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,320
Speaker 3: towards like a thousand dollars.

1006
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 1: Do you make more money selling the merchandise than you

1007
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: do actually working at your job?

1008
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, My average paycheck is like five.

1009
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 7: Hundred bucks.

1010
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 3: Versus a thousand, so yeah, versus one thousand a week.

1011
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 3: It's you know, it's like it's really tough because not

1012
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 3: only have I been able to like feed this bit

1013
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 3: of an addiction, but I am actually putting money towards

1014
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 3: things that matter in my life. You know, Like we

1015
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 3: needed a new bed really bad, so I replaced the mattress,

1016
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 3: the frame. You know, I got everything new. So that's

1017
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 3: really really nice and great, like you know, like on

1018
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,320
Speaker 3: a subconscious level for the health. You know, I helped

1019
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 3: fix our car.

1020
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: Uh.

1021
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,959
Speaker 3: You know, I've put money towards a lot of other

1022
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 3: things in our lives besides the stuffed animals, you know.

1023
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 7: So it's it's usually.

1024
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: Hard toward the squish mellows.

1025
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Any kind of a kind of a bind.

1026
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 1: Now, is any part of you afraid that you will

1027
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: get caught for doing this?

1028
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 3: I mean there's always like, okay, let me back up there. Yes,

1029
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 3: only because I have been caught stealing. Outside of this situation,

1030
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 3: I unfortunately am kind of ecliptomaniac. There is a reason

1031
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 3: for that, but I have not gotten the proper hold

1032
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 3: on it. So I did have an incident where I

1033
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 3: was caught feeling something at a different establishment and I

1034
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 3: didn't get arrested because I had never done anything before.

1035
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 3: So and I was really nice and just honest with them,

1036
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,439
Speaker 3: and they were like, okay, all right, yeah that's cool, dude.

1037
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 3: You know, I had to go to court and like,

1038
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 3: no contest, so I think it is on my record,

1039
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 3: but I just had to pay a fine, which I

1040
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 3: just got done pan off actually, so it wasn't the

1041
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 3: worst thing in the world. But I do, you know,

1042
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 3: have that lingering fear. But I also don't because it's

1043
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 3: extremely easy to do this in my work. I've been

1044
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 3: there for many years now, so I have a really

1045
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 3: good rapport.

1046
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 7: People trust me. I put away the weekly.

1047
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 3: Order of our shipments anyway, so I know how much

1048
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 3: we get every week and how fast we go through

1049
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 3: it normally.

1050
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 1: So I kind of you said that by the like

1051
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: I got an acdrupt you. You said that you're you know

1052
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: the reason as to why you're a clepto maniac?

1053
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 7: Yes?

1054
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 1: What what is that reason? So?

1055
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 3: I didn't have a super great family situation growing up,

1056
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 3: and my mom kind of fed into that habit of mine.

1057
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 3: It it, I know, like exactly the day that it

1058
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 3: really clicked, me and her went to a big this

1059
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 3: crystal shop in the Slea Market and I took like

1060
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 3: four hundred dollars for the crystals and I stuffed them

1061
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 3: in my bra So when we got to the car,

1062
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 3: I started pulling shit out and she was just laughing

1063
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 3: her ass off, and she was like, Yeah, that's so

1064
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:47,439
Speaker 3: fucking awesome. That's badass, you know. And I just kind

1065
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 3: of kept doing that stuff, and she never said that

1066
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 3: that was bad or not good, So it just kind

1067
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 3: of solidified in my head and now I have a problem.

1068
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 1: M Interesting. Uh have you talked to your mom about that?

1069
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 5: Oh?

1070
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, she knows that I got arrested, and she regret.

1071
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: Not telling you that. Does she regret not telling you

1072
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 1: that stealing was was wrong when you were younger?

1073
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 2: I don't.

1074
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 3: I don't really think so.

1075
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 7: No.

1076
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 3: Uh, that's most certainly not the worst of the things

1077
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 3: that she has allowed to happen to, you know, her

1078
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 3: children growing up under her supervision. So no, she she

1079
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 3: kind of was just like, you know, I get it.

1080
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 3: I'm not judging you. You know, she's She's also had

1081
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 3: a habit of grand theft throughout the years. So no,

1082
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 3: I don't think she cared that much.

1083
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 1: So before we go, Maddie, in the future, do you

1084
01:00:55,400 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 1: see yourself slowing down on stealing things? Or did? Does

1085
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 1: any part of you want to stop stealing stuff? Or

1086
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 1: you know, what's what's your own sort of personal take

1087
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 1: on your habits. If you were to get on a

1088
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 1: little step ladder and look at yourself from above, what

1089
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 1: are you observing? What are you hoping for the future.

1090
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 3: I definitely would like to slow down, you know, like

1091
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 3: my my husband has definitely expressed his concerns, and you know,

1092
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 3: I definitely know myself to kind of have a little

1093
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:35,919
Speaker 3: bit of hubrious in this department. So ideally, yes, it's hard.

1094
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 3: You know, it's really hard to be battling this kind

1095
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 3: of thing for a while. It's hard because it's so easy.

1096
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 3: You know, like I have access to all the cameras

1097
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 3: in the back room, so I know exactly where they're,

1098
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 3: Like I can look at them while I'm taking this

1099
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 3: stuff off the shelf and show that I'm not on

1100
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Speaker 3: this camera. So like, it's just so hard because it's

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Speaker 3: so easy. But I would ideally, yes, like to like

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01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 3: to not do it as much anymore, which I did

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01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 3: better at the past couple day that worked, So you know, yeah, something.

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Speaker 1: Well, good luck to you in trying to beat your habit.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I hope that with Squish mellows. I

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Speaker 1: wonder if it'll be like Beanie babies where they go

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01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 1: up in value. Actually I think the b babies go

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01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 1: up at value or down in value, like in ten years.

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Speaker 3: I think they I think they had like a spike

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Speaker 3: and then they crashed real hard if I'm an understanding, right,

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Speaker 3: But I mean that's kind of what's happening now. Like

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Speaker 3: I said, people are selling these things for like three

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01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 3: hundred bucks some of them, so.

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Speaker 1: Maybe, well I look and I hope you make a

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01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 1: profit or if if you lose it all, I hope

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01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:39,439
Speaker 1: you enjoyed the ride getting there.

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01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 3: Oh, I will thank you much for your time.

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Speaker 1: Low, of course, thank you for calling Maddie.

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Speaker 3: Yep, have a good one.

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Speaker 4: Goes on the line.

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01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 1: Taking your phone calls every nine goes to teaching you

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Speaker 1: in the life