1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:02,640 Speaker 1: Hey, coach, I hope you enjoyed you Thanksgiving, You and 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: your family excruciate. It was nice good I'm glad. Um 3 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: McKinney obviously, Uh, there's progress. Throwing a weekend, do we 4 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: expect to see him Sunday? You know, I'm gonna give 5 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: him one more day of moving around out there? Would 6 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: say I'm encouraged the way he's moved around and looked 7 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: so far. Um, you know a little bit we were 8 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: able to see him rehabbing before this. He looked like 9 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: he was in shape to come back. Um, I'd say 10 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: that everything's been on track with him being in a 11 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: timely return. Today is gonna be a big day form 12 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: terms of situations, how he can handle it. There's more 13 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: to it than just be able to run around out there. 14 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: We've gotta make sure mentally he can fire on the 15 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 1: same page as everybody else. But we're gonna make the 16 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: decision after practice today. I'm just gonna quick follow up, coach, 17 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: take Crowder, how's he looking for Sunday? Yeah? Today has 18 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 1: been very similar in terms of z A. You know, 19 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: he's had a good week of practice. We've worked him in, 20 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: we bracted him with some other guys in case he 21 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: can't go that, we can get somebody else involved at 22 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: that spot as well. But he's taking his share of reps. 23 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: You know, we're really looking to see right now how 24 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,319 Speaker 1: he responds from a harder day yesterday, and see where 25 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: he's at physics. You know, I kind of tells the 26 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: tale of a lot of these guys coming off the 27 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: i R is how their body bounces back, so you 28 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: can see what kind of shape they're really in. And 29 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: then we don't put him outre in a position to 30 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,479 Speaker 1: be heard again. But I've been encouraged with how he's 31 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: moved around. Thank hey, Joe, I'm I saw logan Ryan 32 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: is leading the voting for safety is a free safety 33 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: in the NFC for Pro Bowl. I was I was wondering, like, 34 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: obviously had a relationship with him before he got here, 35 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: but what has been his impact on this team and 36 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: on this locker room. It seems like he's really kind 37 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: of taken to a role as a leader on a 38 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: young team. Uh. Well, first off, I don't keep up 39 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: with those voting, um, but I would say this, Let's 40 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: say this guy is very deserving of everything he's earned. Uh, 41 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,199 Speaker 1: he really impacts our team on and off the field 42 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: in a very positive manner. I'd say on the field, 43 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: you know, it starts with this communication, uh, you know, 44 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: and that really ties a lot of things together back there. 45 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: You know, you've really got to call the defense from 46 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: the back end and a lot of things we do, 47 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: and he's kind of unifying voice and a lot of 48 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: the sets we have. That being said, he's developed a 49 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: very good relationship with his teammates back there, whether it 50 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: be Julian or Peppers or the corners who are working 51 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: on the perimeter, and he's really done a good job 52 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: getting everyone the same page. I'd say. That being said, 53 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: you know, he ties in a lot of experience, not 54 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: only in this system, but just in the league in general, 55 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: and building some that savvage's that allows him to do 56 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: different things within a concept. He's a fun guy to 57 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: watch in practice because Pat can install a concept and 58 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: he knows where he's got to get to on the 59 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 1: snap or post snap, and he may show it a 60 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: little bit different pre snap, but he knows where he's 61 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: getting to. So she got kind let ahead let him 62 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: be a player and let him kind of have a 63 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: little bit you know, artistic freedom if you would, right there. 64 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: But um, you know, look this guy in terms of 65 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: being a player, he's got good instincts. He's had good 66 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: production for us, he's a good tackling for us. He's 67 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: tough as nails, and he's been able to overcome a 68 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 1: lot of adversity off the field. And I just say, 69 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: you know, he's a guy that we love having this program. Um, 70 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: he's a very good player for us, a very good 71 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: leader in the locker room. I can't say enough positive 72 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: things about him. Hey, Joe, so and he fines for 73 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: the day after weigh in or you know, the coach 74 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: has got to get on the scale too, or what 75 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: how does that go? Well, if the coaches jump on 76 00:02:57,880 --> 00:02:59,839 Speaker 1: everyone's Christmas is gonna be a little bit worse off. 77 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: So we're gonna kind of lay off that right now. 78 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: But no, we're gonna check in with fits and their 79 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: staff a little bit and kind of check on the guys. Uh. 80 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 1: You know, for the most part, I think all of 81 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: our guys been pretty good. Most of the guys, you know, 82 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: the staff here for the most part, had you know, 83 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: to go boxes ready to go, and you know, I 84 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: saw most guys walking out with that. So you know, 85 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 1: we kind of encourage them, taking them more than they're 86 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: you know, heaping helpful, helping to go home with it. 87 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: So that's pretty good with that. And just another thing 88 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: on the offensive line, how have you seen the players, 89 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 1: the offensive linemen respond this week with a new coach 90 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: and you know, given the last two weeks and what's happened. Yeah, 91 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: no different than any other week. I mean, these guys 92 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: have come to week every every week or come to 93 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: work every week. They've worked hard, Uh, been very resilient. 94 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: You know. Right now their focus is on the Bengals 95 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: and that's what the entire team's focus have been on 96 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: right there. So they've had a good week of practice. 97 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: We've got a very important day today, so we gotta 98 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: come out today feeling confident going in the weekend and 99 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: we don't want to come out of this practice. They 100 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: with a lot of things we've got to clean up, 101 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: but they've come to work and had had a real 102 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: productive day. Slory Joe Hey, Joe, Um. Um, like your 103 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: last two games, you played teams coming off to buy 104 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: and beat them. Um, what are the signs you look 105 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: for as a head coach teams coming off of bye 106 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: and are there danger signs with the team just rust, 107 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,119 Speaker 1: you know, getting out of the routine, because some teams 108 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 1: do it well, some teams don't. You just beat two 109 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: teams who didn't respond that well well for bye. Yeah, 110 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 1: I think you can make too much of it sometimes, 111 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 1: and we've looked at that on both sides of pole. 112 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 1: I mean, we've kind of looked at our what does 113 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: Philly do coming out of bye? What Washington do coming 114 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: out and buy all that stuff? You tie back in 115 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: Iran's history in Carolina, you look at what Doug's done 116 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: the past as well. You know, to me, it's it's 117 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 1: all based on how you handle the game week. The 118 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: bye is very important. It's really important for getting physically refreshed, 119 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 1: mentally refreshed. It's also big for self scout getting a 120 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: jump start with some opponents coming up. We did everything 121 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 1: we were we were capable of doing last week to 122 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: help the team. I'd say the biggest thing to me 123 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: is when you get into the game week of not 124 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: kind of walking into it. You gotta get back into 125 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: work in that routine you fence. That's very important to me. 126 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 1: You know that being said, you can kind of slice 127 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: through the league and it's probably close to fifty fifty 128 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: across the board in terms of teams coming out of 129 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: bye weeks, and I think that's more about how they 130 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,679 Speaker 1: prepare in that game week and then execute those sixty 131 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 1: minutes on Sunday more than the week off beforehand. He's 132 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: rust an excuse or you don't rust? Is not you know, 133 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: I mean getting back into it, or is that not 134 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: part of your vocabulary. No, there's no excuse to that 135 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 1: at all. Everyone has a bioweek at some point. We 136 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: don't write anything off of just saying that that's something's 137 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 1: gonna be an excuse. You know, We've got to use 138 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: it to our advantage and it's up to us to 139 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: come to play with the right mentality. Thanks. Okay, Hey Joe, 140 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: any update on Graham status. I think we should get 141 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: to see him a little bit today out there kicking. 142 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: He's with the trainers kind of independently. Yes, they swinging 143 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: his leg a little bit. I just asked him how 144 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: he felt today, you know, he said that, you know, 145 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: he felt good overall. I've got to watch and see 146 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: how sore he may or may not be, and obviously 147 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: see him. I mean, he wasn't really backing on too 148 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: far in that hotel room to test his range, So 149 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: we have to kind of move him around a little 150 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: bit today if we're allowed to him a check Ronny 151 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: in a second, but very optimistic about his chance this weekend. 152 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: We'll see where he is though. And then as far 153 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 1: as your line, do you want to have a rotation 154 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: at at guard on Sunday? Yeah? Absolutely, Again, like same 155 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: thing I've talked about before. We want to play all 156 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: of our guys, keeping fresh, keeping rotating, and you know, 157 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: we feel we have multiple capable players as positions. I 158 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: want to go ahead and use them all. Hey Joe, 159 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: what's going on trying to multitesk here? No, my not 160 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: my specialty. Uh, I'm curious. You have guys out there 161 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 1: the other day and uh, you know old time jerseys. 162 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: We heard the story behind that. But I'm curious. You're 163 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 1: a guy who's very into the moment. You know, you're 164 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: not trying to look in the future for your team 165 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: to worry about today. Why is it important for you 166 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: to talk about the past and bring up the pass. 167 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: I'm yeah, that's just something that's very personally important to me. 168 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: When I came to this organization, something expressed with ownership. 169 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: H They looked at it the same way. To me, 170 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: the history of this organization is very important. It's very 171 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: important for all of our players coming in here to 172 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: understand that this has been here a lot longer than 173 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 1: they've been around. And it's up to us to understand 174 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: the history of this organization who's come before us to 175 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: make this a great place to be. Uh. Look, we 176 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: can't walk freely through the building all time right now, 177 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: but there's signs all around our building about the area 178 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: that's very important to us. What embrace where we live 179 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: and represent the area. Uh, there's pictures and there's sayings 180 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: all over you know the building that referenced players who 181 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: came before, coaches that came before. It's important that we 182 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: understand who those players are and why they're significant, and 183 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: who those coaches are and why they're significant. So again, 184 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: it's it's up to us and it's our responsibility to 185 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: understand who those great players are. Uh. It would be 186 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: absolutely devastating if we ever had a current player run 187 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: into a guy who's in the Ring of Honor and 188 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: not understand who he is or why he's significant. Um, 189 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: those guys have made tremendous contributions, and every one of 190 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: us are working at this point to do something and 191 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: making a contribution this organization long term. Where you get 192 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: the idea for this Actually, you know, I was talking 193 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: with Kevin Abrams, you know one point he is last week, 194 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: maybe the week before. He brought it up. I thought 195 00:07:57,920 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: it was a good idea. We kind of bounced it 196 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: off each other in terms of how he could tie 197 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: it together and how it would work, and it kind 198 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: of evolved into using the practice players of the week. 199 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: You know, we have been putting them in different color 200 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: jerseys to kind of just signify, you know, what they are, 201 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: and I thought maybe it's a good idea to put 202 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: them in some really significant jerseys. We have no names 203 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: on our jerseys. That's by design. But you know, the 204 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: name that you put on your back, it's not yours. 205 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: You have to represent that player in terms of how 206 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: they played and how they practice on a daily basis. 207 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: That's one here. Don't leave Joe will Bradberry be at 208 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: practice today and you expect him to play, And then 209 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: who's your third tackle If it's not Matt per Well, 210 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: we're still mapping out the third tackle position right there. Okay, 211 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 1: We're rolling through Chad Slade and Barton and Wiggins and 212 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 1: a few other guys right there. So we have multiple 213 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: options at the third tackle. We'll can see what that 214 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: shakes out today. In terms of Bradberry, yes, we do 215 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: expect him at practice today. Uh, all signs would indicate 216 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: that he should play for us. Obviously, we'll get every 217 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: player the the opportunity out there and practice and show 218 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: it today and practice. Um, he had a personal issue. 219 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go in his personal issue publicly. Uh, 220 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: something we incur arched him to go ahead and take 221 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: part of. He was able to arrange it that he 222 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: stayed within the cadence. He followed all the rules. He 223 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: was back last night and he's been in all the 224 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: Zoom meetings with us for install throughout the week. So 225 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: in terms of meeting wise, he hasn't missed anything with us. 226 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: He's obviously missed the on field practice time. UM, but 227 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: this is something right here we wouldn't make sure that 228 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: he could take care of. UM. It's very important to us, 229 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 1: so