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Speaker 1: brought us Welcome to another edition of the Draft Show
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Speaker 1: Brian brought us Dane Burglar, David Hellman here with you today.
Speaker 1: Kick Garrison executive producing this thing. We're gonna put a
Speaker 1: bow on this national championship thing tonight this afternoon, guys,
Speaker 1: I said, tonight. But what a game? Yeah, what a game?
Speaker 1: I want to put a bow on this. I want
Speaker 1: to ask you guys though about if these guys, if
Speaker 1: anybody elevated their game is did anybody change your mind
Speaker 1: when it comes to their draft stock? Do we have
Speaker 1: them too high? Too low? Do we need to consider
Speaker 1: some other guys? Well? I think that brings up another
Speaker 1: point about how much do you value a performance on
Speaker 1: a stage like that? Because you don't want to overvalue
Speaker 1: one game. But I think there is something to maybe
Speaker 1: a little bit more of an emphasis towards the games
Speaker 1: where they mattered that much against top competition. And so
Speaker 1: durn Payne, for example, Yeah, played the best two games
Speaker 1: of his life the last two weeks in the playoffs
Speaker 1: when it really mattered. On one hand, you're impressed. On
Speaker 1: the other hand, why didn't we see this more often?
Speaker 1: So it's it's something that interesting, you know, dynamic for
Speaker 1: each one of these players, and I Meank I fitz Patrick,
Speaker 1: we didn't hear a lot about in the title game.
Speaker 1: I think it's just because they didn't test him. He
Speaker 1: had a very good game. Calvin Ridley same thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I heard from a lot of fans saying, do we
Speaker 1: really want Calvin Ridley? I'm not seeing it. Maybe we
Speaker 1: take his brother I'm under exactly. Yeah, maybe maybe which Ridley?
Speaker 1: Are we supposed to take the Georgia Ridley or the
Speaker 1: Alabama Ridley? But when you when you want? If? I was,
Speaker 1: I was watching the College Coaches version of the Yeah right,
Speaker 1: and that used the All twenty two and Calvin really
Speaker 1: is getting open at will. I saw your tweet and Dave,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get to you about this too, But I
Speaker 1: saw your tweet about that really is open again? He's
Speaker 1: open again, wide open. Yeah, you had no problem beating
Speaker 1: the cover, especially in the first half when Jalen Hurts
Speaker 1: is that quarterback he couldn't find him in time. And
Speaker 1: then it got a little better with Tua in the
Speaker 1: second half to a tum not even going to try
Speaker 1: and pronounce that last name. Now, I don't have too
Speaker 1: for two more exactly. That's that's the kind of mindset
Speaker 1: I have. And so yeah, I heard a lot of
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley and I don't see a first round player
Speaker 1: and this and that he was getting open at will.
Speaker 1: And again, that's why I love Calvin Riley as a player.
Speaker 1: That's why I'd love to see him as a Dallas
Speaker 1: cowboy because of his ability to get open and give
Speaker 1: his quarterback a clean target. Just because the Alabama quarterbacks
Speaker 1: couldn't get it to him doesn't mean that he underwhelmed
Speaker 1: on Monday Night. Yeah, I mean, I thought every guy
Speaker 1: that we talk about as the primary targets from that
Speaker 1: game pain pains a good one because he played so well.
Speaker 1: But I mean that bother you, guys. I mean, I
Speaker 1: know you mentioned it, but does that bother you if
Speaker 1: you're thinking about a guy that on the national stage
Speaker 1: two times played great, was a dominant player in those
Speaker 1: two games, and then you watch him in Alabama during
Speaker 1: the season. I'm watching to play Florida State, Texas A
Speaker 1: and M, and I'm kind of thinking, Okay, get rid
Speaker 1: of this guy a little quicker, you know, Okay, You're
Speaker 1: better than this, you know. Is there something to be said?
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying. Yeah, okay, I mean you
Speaker 1: want a guy that has the same intensity and the
Speaker 1: same effort and the same performance weekend and week out.
Speaker 1: But there's something to be said, like if he can
Speaker 1: tap into that talents too critical here, the NFL is
Speaker 1: a hell of a place to do it, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, all right, great, he doesn't want to play
Speaker 1: great against Mercer, and that doesn't mean he's not worth taking. No, No,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about against Florida State, Texas A and M.
Speaker 1: It's fair, I mean, because he did it. He did
Speaker 1: not play as well the whole season that we saw,
Speaker 1: and again, he knew his college crew is coming to
Speaker 1: an end. He was playing a little extra motivated. So
Speaker 1: it does worry you a little bit. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, I thought he was a first round player
Speaker 1: before the playoff, and then what he did the last
Speaker 1: two games only cements that for me. But it is
Speaker 1: something that is in the back of your mind. First
Speaker 1: round player I thought he was because again the traits
Speaker 1: the guys that are six four, two hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: pounds aren't supposed to move like that. That gets that
Speaker 1: gets into like the right kind of guy debate, like
Speaker 1: like you would prefer the guy who plays, like I said,
Speaker 1: with the same motor all the time, snap in, snap out.
Speaker 1: But if he's that talented, and assuming I don't know
Speaker 1: his whole story, like assuming there's no like legitimate off
Speaker 1: field baggage, Like if the only thing that worries me
Speaker 1: is his consistency, I'll take that talent every time. I'll
Speaker 1: worry about that once I get him in the locker room.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have the same intensity is Don mckinsue, but
Speaker 1: there are a lot of similar traits there that might
Speaker 1: not be the worst thing in the world, though Don
Speaker 1: mckinsue could stand to take it down a notch or
Speaker 1: three probably, so, I mean, you know, Don mcnsue was
Speaker 1: one of the best college players I've ever seen one
Speaker 1: of that if you want to ask me, he's probably
Speaker 1: top five for me. Yeah, but he's not Sue, is
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But there are a lot of there's
Speaker 1: a lot of Sue in him. When you're that size,
Speaker 1: you have that type of hip action, the quickness, the
Speaker 1: power with your upper body, and we saw it the
Speaker 1: last two games. I didn't mean to take I didn't
Speaker 1: mean to take a deep dive on pain right there.
Speaker 1: But I was gonna say, is all those guys either
Speaker 1: played about where how I thought they would, or you know,
Speaker 1: or maybe even better. Yeah, they all looked like the
Speaker 1: guys they're supposed to be. Ridley played a good game,
Speaker 1: which okay, maybe he didn't have like, he didn't take
Speaker 1: over the game. He had a touchdown, did he have two?
Speaker 1: Maybe he just had the one, just one one where
Speaker 1: he one where it? Yeah he basically yeah, an offensive interception.
Speaker 1: All those guys that were supposed to show up showed up.
Speaker 1: I mean I thought Smith was there, Ridley was there.
Speaker 1: And did Smith play himself out of any position for Dallas?
Speaker 1: I think he did that before he played that game.
Speaker 1: I don't think were we hoping for hope. I don't
Speaker 1: think anything changed, should be honest with you, I think
Speaker 1: he the last four games of the season were outstanding.
Speaker 1: Georgia Tech, the SEC title game Oklahoma. He had some
Speaker 1: bumps in the road in the first half against Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: but it's still a great game. And then of course
Speaker 1: in the National title game. I still think it comes
Speaker 1: down to some teams will ding him because of the size.
Speaker 1: He won't be for everybody, So there, you know, there
Speaker 1: might only be in the top eighteen picks. There might
Speaker 1: only be five teams that seriously consider him because of
Speaker 1: the size and so crazy. There is a chance I
Speaker 1: think he could get you know, followed in nineteen. Not
Speaker 1: a likely chance, but there's a chance. I don't think
Speaker 1: anything happened Monday night change that, because again he didn't
Speaker 1: grow two inches in that game. Will he be the
Speaker 1: It's just hard to say because you don't know the direction.
Speaker 1: But if he's there at nineteen, is that a no brainer?
Speaker 1: As to if say Ridley was there as well, well,
Speaker 1: Ridley would make it a tough conversation if you're picking
Speaker 1: outside the top ten. I don't think there's such thing
Speaker 1: as no brainer, Like how often do you really wind
Speaker 1: up in a situation where there's just no doubt. I
Speaker 1: was surprised that Washington ended up with Jonathan Allen last year. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was shocked. Okay, I'm not and I'm surprised if
Speaker 1: the Colts end up. Yeah, I mean, these are guys
Speaker 1: that we talked about, is top five players in this draft,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden it's seventeen. Not everybody who
Speaker 1: used these things the same way? Do they? No? They don't. Well,
Speaker 1: let me ask you who would have the bigger impact
Speaker 1: on this team. Roquan Smith or Calvin Ridley. Oh, I'm
Speaker 1: sure there's some folks right now that right now are
Speaker 1: just they're they're they're having the same issues we are
Speaker 1: right now. With that that I think, I think you're
Speaker 1: taking us. You're taking a current starter off the field
Speaker 1: to get them on the field. Either way, I would say, man,
Speaker 1: that is tough. Probably probably Ridley, But I'm not. I
Speaker 1: don't feel good about it. I'm just like you could
Speaker 1: revisit that in a week you might have a different answer. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: who are you worried more about the defense of the
Speaker 1: offense for the Cowboys. I'm more worried you're worried about
Speaker 1: dak Us Scott in his development? Here's that is that now?
Speaker 1: Paramount is that like the one. Yeah, it should be
Speaker 1: priority number one. I'm more worried about the personnel on defense.
Speaker 1: I think, to be totally honest with you, but you
Speaker 1: lost games without Sean Lee for the million But for
Speaker 1: the millionth time, I say this all the time. The
Speaker 1: offense is what's going to get you where you want
Speaker 1: to go. This isn't this isn't twenty thirteen Seattle, and
Speaker 1: you just strap whatever you can to that defense. I
Speaker 1: would would have the bigger impact because we have seen
Speaker 1: some receivers not have impact right first year. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: happens all the time. But would Smith have such an
Speaker 1: impact with your defense? We've seen with some young kids
Speaker 1: when you draft young kids like they did in the secondary.
Speaker 1: And I think one what makes really different though, you
Speaker 1: look at some of the receivers that I've struggled, like
Speaker 1: Corey Coleman, Laquon Treadwell, guys that had questions by their
Speaker 1: route running uh and just a technical savvy of the position.
Speaker 1: That's not the case with Ridley and that's why I
Speaker 1: don't I expect him to have a instant success, immediate
Speaker 1: impact in some way. And that's the thing we have
Speaker 1: to think about too, is the depth of the position. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm a big believer, and you take the best player
Speaker 1: if you believe that's Ridley or Smith. But if you
Speaker 1: have them similar rated and you just you're torn on them.
Speaker 1: Wide receiver is a much deeper position this year in
Speaker 1: the linebacker I went on, I went on, and artist,
Speaker 1: I heard you. That makes sense. It's well, it's you
Speaker 1: took the line right out of Stephen Jones's mouth, BPA
Speaker 1: with oh last night. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I do BP
Speaker 1: a w R best player available within reason. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's a similar type of thing where you need to
Speaker 1: take the best player, but you know, not out of
Speaker 1: the realm of you know what helps your team. So
Speaker 1: you look at linebacker. To me, there are two first
Speaker 1: round linebackers. Now we didn't answer this question yet, did we. No,
Speaker 1: I mean we haven't really answered the question. I know,
Speaker 1: the further in this whole rabbit hole we go it
Speaker 1: just it off shoots the other. But you'll try. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a fair question that he asked. It's a fair question.
Speaker 1: And I wonder who on the stack will have a
Speaker 1: higher grade. I wonder on the stack, who will have
Speaker 1: a higher grade. Will the production of Smith trump the
Speaker 1: production of Ridley? They're both a little undersized. But again, now, okay,
Speaker 1: here's the Stephen Jones thought, and you were gonna circle back.
Speaker 1: I know what you're gonna do. You look at the
Speaker 1: approach of Okay, how many first rounds or how many
Speaker 1: in the first two rounds of names? How many first
Speaker 1: or how many how many graded players you have in
Speaker 1: the first two rounds at wide receiver? I've got sevens
Speaker 1: quite a log gym and in the first how many rounds?
Speaker 1: Two rounds? Nine? There you go, I'm more. You're right.
Speaker 1: Actually give me your linebackers. Yeah, four? See, there you go.
Speaker 1: You just you, just you. You made it really easy
Speaker 1: because for the millionth year in a row, I feel
Speaker 1: like we say this every year. I feel great about
Speaker 1: the wide receivers that you can probably find between thirty
Speaker 1: two and eighty. I don't, but I don't feel like
Speaker 1: it's that good for line. Did they give a set
Speaker 1: reason last year why they drafted Taco? That's one hundred
Speaker 1: percent why they did what they did. Hey, did you
Speaker 1: feel like that the defensive ends could stretch and they
Speaker 1: felt like the dbs could? Why did they draft Zeke
Speaker 1: two years ago to help the quarterback? Help Tony Romo. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: it's time to help Dak Prescott. That's fair. But don't
Speaker 1: get what I'm saying though. I mean, do you think
Speaker 1: you can find a guy who can help Dak at
Speaker 1: fifty or eighty one? Possibly? Yeah, it's if you feel
Speaker 1: that great about Ridley, then obviously you want the best
Speaker 1: possible option. I have no problem with Ridley, I really don't.
Speaker 1: Then let's make it clear. If you're choosing between real
Speaker 1: Quan Smith and Kelvin Ridley, you've already done very well
Speaker 1: in the first round, and that's probably a pipe dream
Speaker 1: that both of them. Yeah, somebody's at home right now,
Speaker 1: just like neither one of them is gonna be there.
Speaker 1: Shut out. No, but that's but. But Dane made a point.
Speaker 1: The physical makeup of both of these players is not prototypical.
Speaker 1: I'm not and scouts and they trust me. You're talking
Speaker 1: to a guy again who's taken the tall receipt. Ever,
Speaker 1: all those tall receivers for me are all in the
Speaker 1: same round. All those tall guys, sudden, I hate to
Speaker 1: hate to even men. All those guys are all in
Speaker 1: the same round. To me. I don't even want to
Speaker 1: make this comparison because I don't think they're super similar players,
Speaker 1: but just in terms of the impact, don't you can't.
Speaker 1: Can't you just see Roquan doing what like Deon Jones
Speaker 1: is doing for Atlanta in terms of sure, you could
Speaker 1: like a linebacker that you're never worried about having on
Speaker 1: the field whatever, down in distance. I like, if Deon
Speaker 1: Jones was taking nineteenth overall in that draft, no, I
Speaker 1: mean he'd be living up the potential based on and
Speaker 1: based on if you were if you redrafted, that's probably
Speaker 1: he would go up there. I mean what he was
Speaker 1: in the fifties, I think her forties, fifties and yeah,
Speaker 1: MITI he would be a first round pick if you
Speaker 1: redid it. I agree, probably top twenty. Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: like the sound of that a lot. That guy has
Speaker 1: done wonders for that Atlanta defense. I mean they used
Speaker 1: to be and their corners people going back to what
Speaker 1: Dangers said, we're a quarterback out today, that's yeah, you're
Speaker 1: not the orderback? I know. Is that the most important
Speaker 1: position here for the Cowboys? Now, that's never changed part
Speaker 1: of me that every team. Okay, but now after what
Speaker 1: you've seen in year two, is it the most important?
Speaker 1: Is it the one position. Now oh wait, wait, hey,
Speaker 1: we went into last year. I guarantee you thinking the
Speaker 1: only way that Dak Prescott regresses is the talent around him.
Speaker 1: If you happen this year, if you tell me that
Speaker 1: I'm getting sixteen games from Zeke and Tyrn Smith, I
Speaker 1: feel good enough that I'll wait and give me Dj
Speaker 1: Moore at fifty instead of Calvin Ridley at nineteen. And
Speaker 1: I think that's okay. Yeah, And that's the argument because
Speaker 1: that's if you draft Calvin Ridley, then the argument against
Speaker 1: it is, well, then why do we spend such a
Speaker 1: high draft pick on Zeke? You know, if we're going
Speaker 1: to feature the run game, why do we need to
Speaker 1: take a wide receiver in the first round. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, you still you need d have to
Speaker 1: develop because there's going to be a time, whether it's
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, whether it's a game that you need
Speaker 1: to win to into the playoffs, where Dak's gonna have
Speaker 1: to make a big time throw and you just it's
Speaker 1: not going to beat to Zeke. It's gonna have to
Speaker 1: be down the field third and twelve, and it's gonna
Speaker 1: be on the arm of the quarterback. So you still
Speaker 1: need to develop him. Even if you rely on the
Speaker 1: run game to get you, you know, for most of
Speaker 1: the game, for sixty percent of the game, you're still
Speaker 1: gonna have to use that armor the quarterback. Please call
Speaker 1: me a disgusting homer if you think it's warranted. But
Speaker 1: part of me wonders if all the hand ringing about
Speaker 1: the offense is a little knee jerky, because wasn't it
Speaker 1: They got to replace every court, every coach on staff
Speaker 1: on the offense this year another interesting wrinkle to the
Speaker 1: whole damn near all of them. Think about that. I
Speaker 1: just think about how good the offense looked right before
Speaker 1: Zeke got suspended. Sure, so, like we've seen him do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I'm not just talking about Dax's rookie year, like
Speaker 1: he'd played pretty damn well for the entire first half
Speaker 1: of the season, with a few exceptions Denver. The Denver
Speaker 1: game really sticks out to mittin that was baffling on
Speaker 1: across all fronts. I'm not trying to say he was great.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to say there's nothing they need to
Speaker 1: work on. But I think the pieces are in place
Speaker 1: for this offense to function. Like I don't. I'm not great.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I'm this is something we will debate,
Speaker 1: probably up until the draft days though. And let's go on.
Speaker 1: I go back to the National title game. Would you
Speaker 1: think of the Georgia running backs? See, that's what I Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get into that too. Yeah, I have a
Speaker 1: different thought. And here I am with my bold prediction
Speaker 1: about carry on Johnson. You know. And then after watching
Speaker 1: Jones from USC play last night, Jamal Charles, what the
Speaker 1: heck was I thinking? And then and then I look
Speaker 1: at Yeah, Ron Jones USC running back And then I
Speaker 1: look at and then I look at what you say?
Speaker 1: What were what were you thinking? Oh? I wasn't thinking
Speaker 1: to him. He needs to be he needs to be
Speaker 1: up the board where you have him I had in
Speaker 1: the second round. Oh that's not terrible. But I got
Speaker 1: I will, I will, I'll tell you what. And I
Speaker 1: know Taylor Stern is gonna join us at the at
Speaker 1: the at the end of show with the Taste takes.
Speaker 1: She's got some really interesting questions and and I think
Speaker 1: what him has to do with the running backs? But
Speaker 1: I the thing with Michelle, I was very impressed with him,
Speaker 1: very impressed every time they handed him the ball, and
Speaker 1: yet he did. It was attack, and yet he didn't
Speaker 1: get a carry in the fourth quarter. You know, coaches
Speaker 1: take two stupid pills and a cup of gay orade
Speaker 1: and here we go. It seems like it happens way
Speaker 1: too oft. It happens way too often. All that, I
Speaker 1: get it. Why they gave it to Nick Chubb as
Speaker 1: much as they did. Chubb is building swift, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the freshman. Yeah, Chubb is. He's two hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: pounds that lower body to balance the power. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's more built for a fourth quarterback, you know, to
Speaker 1: wear down the defense. But yeah, where if you're not
Speaker 1: getting first downs, it's not gonna matter. So I get it.
Speaker 1: I wish we would have seen more Sonny Michelle in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. Uh you know, it's it's funny. I've
Speaker 1: loved Michelle all year, been propping him up, and now
Speaker 1: it's almost I got so many message is always a
Speaker 1: first rump. Now he's getting overrated, yeah, because of how
Speaker 1: what he's done the last two weeks and people are
Speaker 1: actually starting to watch him. But he's a very good player.
Speaker 1: He's in that second round mix along with some other guys.
Speaker 1: So which Georgia running back. Do you like better, Michelle, Michell,
Speaker 1: that's a prospect. Yeah, clearly, clearly. Not a debate, No,
Speaker 1: not a debate. I think I actually have Stanford's love
Speaker 1: in between the two. Okay, I'm still waiting on him
Speaker 1: to declare, but yeah, well yeah, the way I looked
Speaker 1: at him, I was got until next week one day. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's the Clemson defensive line lineman. Farrell bryant Um, Christian
Speaker 1: wilkins Um, Bryce Love waiting on him step Yeah, and
Speaker 1: all the other guys were Clemson defensive lineman. Like you said,
Speaker 1: all right, but satisfied with how that game was well played. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I liked that. All the guys that we're talking about
Speaker 1: played pretty damn well. I mean, I don't think anybody
Speaker 1: that is really in the mix at the top of
Speaker 1: the draft really laid an egg in that game. But again,
Speaker 1: the riser, the riser? Could it be Michelle? Could the
Speaker 1: riser be Michelle? Or could it or about your boy? Pain?
Speaker 1: Pain in my mock draft. My first mock draft that
Speaker 1: I've done was before Thanksgiving, and I had Pain going
Speaker 1: twenty overall, So I'm probably gonna go sixteen seventeen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's yeah, somewhere in that mid
Speaker 1: first round range. You know, Vida Veya is right there too.
Speaker 1: I think Vita Vea earlier. Just again the traits I mean,
Speaker 1: but if you who you could take between Pain defensive
Speaker 1: tackle Alabama Vita Vea defensive tackle Washington. Sure is fun
Speaker 1: just watching Veya just throw guards around and Stamford tackle
Speaker 1: running backs using the center to do so, and say,
Speaker 1: I think you probably go via Veya Pain if we're
Speaker 1: talking about just the nose tackles, the one technique. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's Veya than Pain. Yeah, okay, all right,
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Speaker 1: But right now we'll get into a little twitter on
Speaker 1: the Twitter, it's all yours. Thanks, ed Ka Hill. Since
Speaker 1: we're talking about the National Title game, El Guapo wants
Speaker 1: to know Ronnie Harrison. Yeah, guy, we've all looked at
Speaker 1: he is he a strong safety as a free safety?
Speaker 1: How do you feel about him? Where do you got him?
Speaker 1: He's definitely a strong I think that because I would
Speaker 1: all agree on that, and he actually declared this morning.
Speaker 1: I guess, um, so he's officially in this draft. When
Speaker 1: he was left alone in coverage, yeah, thoughts, I wasn't
Speaker 1: too excited about that. I think that I don't think
Speaker 1: he has any catchup speed myself. Yeah, I worry a
Speaker 1: little bit about that. I think he has to play
Speaker 1: down I think I saw a good blitzer, but I
Speaker 1: didn't see a guy with range. When you start talking
Speaker 1: about coverage bothered me a little bit about him. He
Speaker 1: will knock you out as a downhill player, he will
Speaker 1: knock you out. He's a linebacker, yeah, I mean he's
Speaker 1: a he's a physical player and box yeah, I just
Speaker 1: don't see. Like I said, Ian, if you're in a
Speaker 1: obviously with the Cowboys though, if you're looking at it there,
Speaker 1: the way they do things, you know, the safeties, you know,
Speaker 1: you have to be able to have some coverage with
Speaker 1: with Byron Jones has been able to doing Xavier Woods,
Speaker 1: So you know that's I think that's what the I
Speaker 1: don't need another box safety. I'm the Cowboys. He needs
Speaker 1: somebody has a little bit more free to them, which
Speaker 1: well and that's a good segue for Wes, who he
Speaker 1: says are safeties you would take at nineteen. And I'm
Speaker 1: early on. I haven't watched eighty guys or four hundred
Speaker 1: guys like you two, but I have my doubts that
Speaker 1: there's a safety I feel good about in the first round,
Speaker 1: which I which bombs me out because I consider that
Speaker 1: a huge need. I know, y'all are gonna tell me
Speaker 1: Minca Fitzpatrick, maybe you could play safety. I think he's
Speaker 1: off the board way before the Cowboys pick. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: am I wrong? Is there a safety you feel good
Speaker 1: about drafting at nineteen? James? Yeah, there you go, that's
Speaker 1: the name. Yeah, and Derwin James. Here we go. Here's
Speaker 1: a guy that does cover, he does play in the slot,
Speaker 1: he does blitz, he does cause turnovers. He's a pretty
Speaker 1: physical tackler. Yeah. He's the one guy that I kind
Speaker 1: of thought would maybe be a little bit overrated. But
Speaker 1: he's not. I thought, I heard you say you didn't
Speaker 1: know what to make of him. I didn't know what
Speaker 1: to make and go back. I went back and just
Speaker 1: hammered games and hammered games and hammered games on him,
Speaker 1: and the results. He's a better player than I thought
Speaker 1: he was initially. He really really is. Did you watch
Speaker 1: old taper just this year? Nope, just this year. I
Speaker 1: went back. I mean we had some early games in
Speaker 1: the in the box that you know I was able
Speaker 1: to do and I didn't feel I felt like a
Speaker 1: player that guy that floated too much, kind of like okay,
Speaker 1: go get in there. And then you watch him play,
Speaker 1: especially like late in the year they played Florida, and
Speaker 1: it's like he took it personally that closing. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: he's got a burst and maybe he's a guy at
Speaker 1: nineteen if you're looking at a safety. I don't now
Speaker 1: is he Is he a free You see him Moore
Speaker 1: as a free he has let us is them to
Speaker 1: be a free But I don't think. I don't think
Speaker 1: that's just he's a better athlete than football player right now,
Speaker 1: no doubt about that. And that he's a red shirt sophomore.
Speaker 1: He was outstanding as a freshman, missed almost all of
Speaker 1: last year with an injury, and in this past season
Speaker 1: as a red shirt sophomore, you saw Russ after missing
Speaker 1: all of us Yeah, and that's probably why the early
Speaker 1: tape on him is not good. NC State. Yeah, didn't
Speaker 1: look good. Now, if you want to study this guy,
Speaker 1: you gotta go late. And they had a bad season
Speaker 1: by their standards. Yeah, yeah, terrible season by their standards. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: So yeah, he's a guy though that I think that
Speaker 1: if you if you want to look at if if
Speaker 1: there's a guy there at nineteen and he could be
Speaker 1: you know, am I speaking out of turns saying he
Speaker 1: could be there at nineteen? No, I think it's possible.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna put up some impressive numbers at
Speaker 1: the combine and you know, we'll see how that fluctuates
Speaker 1: the stock. But this is a guy who I remember
Speaker 1: he received a scholarship offer at Florida State when he
Speaker 1: was a freshman in high school. Yeah. Like he's just
Speaker 1: always been a freak. That's just kind of who he is,
Speaker 1: and so I think that'll continue at the next level.
Speaker 1: Is just the technical skill I feel like I talked
Speaker 1: about it every week. Is that going to catch up?
Speaker 1: That development? It's something that if he was a cowboy,
Speaker 1: fans should not expect him to be an All pros
Speaker 1: first year. But he's gonna make some splash plays and
Speaker 1: then you just hope that it all. You know, the
Speaker 1: light bulb comes on and it all comes to well,
Speaker 1: he creates some turnovers. Now, great segue for a question
Speaker 1: from Miguel I like this. He wants to know of
Speaker 1: the top you know, of the top fifteen twenty guys,
Speaker 1: like the elite prospects, which one would you have the
Speaker 1: hardest time pulling the trigger on, like the guy that
Speaker 1: you're just like, I don't know. Um, Well, let's take
Speaker 1: quarterback out of the conversation. Yeah, that's okay that it's
Speaker 1: kind of cheating. You can say all the quarterback fair.
Speaker 1: Do you have a problem with Connor Williams. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's that's a good conversation because Texas offensive. Sorry
Speaker 1: about that, folks. Yeah, you watch the what I'm here
Speaker 1: for twenty six sixteen tape. As a sophomore, he's a
Speaker 1: first round pick. Uh, then you watch and seven team.
Speaker 1: He played awful in the opener against Maryland, and then
Speaker 1: he got hurt and he missed most of the year,
Speaker 1: came back, played well for two games that he was back,
Speaker 1: And so if you're drafting him in the first round,
Speaker 1: it's based on a two hus and sixteen stuff. I
Speaker 1: still want to know what happened in that Maryland game.
Speaker 1: It was just it was awful. It was bad. And
Speaker 1: so do you give day two? Yeah? Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: season opener. Do you give him a pass for that
Speaker 1: and focus just on his sophomore tape because if you do,
Speaker 1: then you're gonna take him in the first round, and
Speaker 1: I think a team will do that. But I do
Speaker 1: think that is a worthy name for this question, because
Speaker 1: in the back of your mind, you're always going to
Speaker 1: think about that two or ten and seventeen season. You know,
Speaker 1: what the heck happened about arden Key? Oh yeah? And
Speaker 1: that's the reason I didn't immediately say him is because
Speaker 1: does he even count as a top twenty player in
Speaker 1: this class? Because of you think somebody will? Do you
Speaker 1: think somebody will turn a blind eye to all the
Speaker 1: off field stuff? David? I mean, you know those LSU
Speaker 1: players just as good as me. You know, I would.
Speaker 1: I'm tempted. How are they gonna sell arden Key when
Speaker 1: they go in and talk to coach oh and everybody
Speaker 1: there at LSU. How they're gonna sell arden Key to
Speaker 1: these scouts? That's I think that's the million dollar question,
Speaker 1: And it's it's a loaded bag saying this, so I
Speaker 1: don't say it lightly. But he's gonna get compared to
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory. Yes, just is because he's the same type
Speaker 1: of player. He's a he's a freakish athlete, looks like
Speaker 1: a three four rangey guy. I mean, he jumps off
Speaker 1: any tape that you watch. Even this year when he
Speaker 1: was hurt, I thought he wasn't as good as last
Speaker 1: year when he had like sixteen sacks or whatever it was.
Speaker 1: But he still jumps off the tape. But injuries, off
Speaker 1: field stuff, I just based on what I've seen of him,
Speaker 1: I would imagine it's still enough to draft him in
Speaker 1: the top twenty. But Randy Gregory fell all the way
Speaker 1: to sixty. Yeah, And like I mean, you know, Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory failed a drug test at the combine. Like there's
Speaker 1: a lot of digging to still be done on arden Key. So,
Speaker 1: like I said, it's it's probably premature and not fair
Speaker 1: to drop that label on him, but I think his
Speaker 1: off field and everything that comes with him is going
Speaker 1: to be highly scrutinized. I think people are fearful of
Speaker 1: the LSU defensive end in these drafts just overall. I
Speaker 1: mean the last the one that went high was what mingo.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I mean, it hasn't happened that often.
Speaker 1: It's not like LSU doesn't stay out these monstrous the
Speaker 1: ends they put, they put guys, these defensive linemen. I mean,
Speaker 1: Brockers has been pretty good. Rockers has had a really
Speaker 1: nice career, Benny Logan has had a really nice career. Um,
Speaker 1: but Mingo Mingo is one of the worst busts of
Speaker 1: the last decade or so. So I mean that's fair,
Speaker 1: but I don't know that it's enough. I think, I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think like David says, I think that you look
Speaker 1: at talk about top twenty. He's got top twenty talent,
Speaker 1: but is he really a top twenty player when you
Speaker 1: when you put in all the things, the same thing
Speaker 1: was said, you said it Randy Gregory. Everybody talked about
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory as a top ten player, top five Nebraska,
Speaker 1: Oh Gregory, Gregory, greg That's all I ever heard. And
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett got talked into drafting him. Here. I don't
Speaker 1: see that happened in this year. No. I would imagine
Speaker 1: the Cowboys will steer way clear of him, but that
Speaker 1: doesn't mean somebody else won't. And like I said, months
Speaker 1: to go, I mean, right, there's a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of homework we have to do. And I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give you three more names about players that give me
Speaker 1: a little bit of pause in the top potential Top
Speaker 1: twenty picks. Christian Wilkins, the three technical Clemson. Yeah, terrific
Speaker 1: athlete and the highlights look great. Just consistent season issue. Um.
Speaker 1: Josh Jackson, Iowa. Yeah, there you go. I need my
Speaker 1: corners to tackle. See. This is where I got in
Speaker 1: some Twitter discussions and they were like, no, no, he tackles. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm like what game. I was like, what are you
Speaker 1: talking about here? Don't do this tours the corners. They
Speaker 1: don't need to be great tackles. Oh they had a
Speaker 1: kid that tackled last year. Yeah, they did, Desmond King.
Speaker 1: But just look like he's just get him on the grounds.
Speaker 1: Look like you want to at least like get in
Speaker 1: his way and wait for the slow him down so
Speaker 1: somebody else can make it. Yeah, exactly, so Jewel can
Speaker 1: run over and tackle the guy. I need you. I
Speaker 1: need you do it. Look at least look like you
Speaker 1: want to do it, even if you're not that great
Speaker 1: at it. What that guy left a bad taste in
Speaker 1: Josh Jackson Christian Wilkinson. The third one I was gonna
Speaker 1: mention was Harold Landry, the past rusher from Boston College
Speaker 1: who came into the senior year with high expectations and
Speaker 1: he didn't live up to him and battled ankle injury.
Speaker 1: Uh and you know that kind of that played a
Speaker 1: part in the whole conversation. But still there there's worry
Speaker 1: a little bit about Harold Landry, a potential top twenty pick,
Speaker 1: but there are some questions, a lot of questions about him.
Speaker 1: What happened to that player from last year? And that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying that the guy, I mean, he had
Speaker 1: what sixteen sacks? Right right? Right? Yeah? Yeah, where's the
Speaker 1: player this year? I was surprised he came back to school.
Speaker 1: Uh you know, and maybe he should have came out early.
Speaker 1: But I mean he's he wanted a shot out the
Speaker 1: playoff Dane, Boston College, the Eagles, Yeah, cross hockey, Yeah exactly,
Speaker 1: He's gonna get a chieved to go to the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what he could himself. Okay, while
Speaker 1: people there maybe yeah, good week at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: The senior season will be forgotten, yeah, or close to it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jorge wants to know other than Calvin Ridley, big impact
Speaker 1: wide receivers. Whatever. Take that to me, whatever you want,
Speaker 1: whether that's first round whatever, but receivers. I view that
Speaker 1: as a receiver that's gonna help from day one. I
Speaker 1: think we agree on the number two wide receiver in
Speaker 1: this class, right, Christian Kirk Right, And I think we
Speaker 1: expect him to. He made an instant impact at A
Speaker 1: and M as a true freshman, actually has sued best
Speaker 1: season as a freshman. Um. I think he can make
Speaker 1: an instant impact. Who's your third receiver? More from Washed
Speaker 1: from Maryland's Jay, more of him? See now again, this
Speaker 1: is Brian brought us stirring away from the sequoias. You're
Speaker 1: gonna poison everybody again. No, I'm not trying to poison anybody.
Speaker 1: But if anybody watches his football team, what was the problem.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I'll use my line I used
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia and when I was thirty five years old
Speaker 1: that press conference team needs players. Team needs players, need
Speaker 1: some guys who can run. You guys, watch this game.
Speaker 1: Do you know who we need? I say that I
Speaker 1: encourage anyone who doesn't know what Brian's talking about to
Speaker 1: go find the video. I'll post it later. Yeah, me
Speaker 1: with hair talking about hey and like wait, wait two
Speaker 1: and five pounds and two Dave. This team needs receivers
Speaker 1: that can run routes and not goes. There we go, yeah,
Speaker 1: there we go. That's not so hard. It's not so hard.
Speaker 1: So Kirk can run routes, Kirk yea. DJ Moore can
Speaker 1: run DJ Moore And you know what, DJ Moore could
Speaker 1: probably catch the ball better than Kirk. I don't I
Speaker 1: don't say this often, and I think the Steve Smith
Speaker 1: comparisons get overused for those two are just more. DJ
Speaker 1: Moore gives off a Steve Smith vibe. Yeah, give me
Speaker 1: a guy with a chip on his shoulder. That's mean
Speaker 1: that we'll go get the ball anywhere and we'll get
Speaker 1: and cand separate. Give me that guy got so many
Speaker 1: quarterbacks he went through at Maryland last three years, not one,
Speaker 1: not two different quarterbacks. Like, so it's not like there
Speaker 1: wasn't there's not a built in excuse there. Uh, you
Speaker 1: know he with some the other receivers. You point to
Speaker 1: the quarterback play up and down. Saint Brown from Notre Dame.
Speaker 1: His stats fell off without Kaiser Audum take the last
Speaker 1: two years with two freshman quarterbacks. His stats not what
Speaker 1: you want from a top player. Then you have Dj Moore,
Speaker 1: who became the third ever player at Maryland to go
Speaker 1: over a thousand yards receiving in a year, set the
Speaker 1: Maryland record for catches this past season. I think I
Speaker 1: can get him at fifty. I don't think so, but
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. Kind of short, maybe that
Speaker 1: drops him down a little bit. As you say, if
Speaker 1: he if he measures five ten, then he's gonna walk
Speaker 1: out of that room feeling good because he's probably like
Speaker 1: five nine and a half. I'll tell you what, he's
Speaker 1: a football player. He's fantastic. Like I said Steve Smith
Speaker 1: vibe on that tape. Yeah, so yeah, I think if
Speaker 1: we don't, if you don't look at Calvin Riley in
Speaker 1: the first you're you have to figure out, Okay, where's
Speaker 1: the value for Christian Kirk, DJ Moore, Anthony Miller is
Speaker 1: in that conversation for me, Memphis right wide receiver from Memphis.
Speaker 1: And then so I think those are the top four.
Speaker 1: And then that's maybe when you start talking about the
Speaker 1: bigger guys Courtland Sutton. Yeah, guys like that there was
Speaker 1: coming to play and James Washington is the one where
Speaker 1: boys Scott from Jalil Scott from Mexico State. I watched him.
Speaker 1: If you haven't had a chance to watch Jalil Scott
Speaker 1: play from New Mexico State, can go get it. If
Speaker 1: you can get the Arizona State game. Have fun nine
Speaker 1: catches from one seventies. He is like his best games
Speaker 1: were gets big time competition Arizona State, Arkansas. What's his backstory, Dane,
Speaker 1: Because he's a he's a junior co IOWA, junior college
Speaker 1: guy from South Carolina, South Carolina. There's a little bit
Speaker 1: of baggage there. Um, I don't want to go into it,
Speaker 1: like me the full story, but there there's some background
Speaker 1: stuff that teams are gonna have to work through and
Speaker 1: that could hurt him a little bit. But it's something
Speaker 1: all over the place. Yeah. On the field, that routes
Speaker 1: are all over the place. You know, he's not a
Speaker 1: very refined player, but in you can throw it, you know,
Speaker 1: three feet over his head and he'll go get it.
Speaker 1: He will get it along the sidelines. He'll do it
Speaker 1: body control balanced. I mean, you see Jeff Kavanaugh from
Speaker 1: one oh five three was watching tape. He said he
Speaker 1: was Randy Moss without the speed. I hate comparing people
Speaker 1: to Randy Moss. It's just a lot. I'm a going
Speaker 1: to getting the football saying getting the football. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: a tall, lean guy. He's like the Kevin Durant in
Speaker 1: terms of body types for prospects. You know, he's just
Speaker 1: he's tall, just very lean, skinny. Uh. You see that
Speaker 1: over the middle. He's not the toughest guy over the
Speaker 1: middle of the field. It's funny his routes. When he
Speaker 1: runs across the middle, he goes back instead of going
Speaker 1: down the line, he goes back towards the quarterbacks. He's
Speaker 1: a lot of fun I think he can make you
Speaker 1: put him in red zone situations. He can stretch the
Speaker 1: field too. He's got a little bit of speed he does.
Speaker 1: He's not a slow gan. Where does where does um
Speaker 1: James Washington for two rank on all this Oklahoma's and
Speaker 1: that's we get a lot of questions about James Washington. Um.
Speaker 1: I like James Washington. I think he's a solid like
Speaker 1: a second rounder. But the routes worry me. Uh. But
Speaker 1: down the field vertically is great, strong hands, strong fingers,
Speaker 1: strong wrists. The ball sticks to his hands, so very reliable.
Speaker 1: But he's not a guy that's gonna just get open
Speaker 1: at will yea routes. And he's not the biggest guy's
Speaker 1: about six foot. I mean he's got a little It's okay,
Speaker 1: Golden Tate in terms of size, he's not the biggest
Speaker 1: guy at six foot, but where we're all in love
Speaker 1: with a guy who's five nine and a half. So
Speaker 1: it's true different. Yeah, it's fair. I'm I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: it with Washington, though, I got I got a question
Speaker 1: one more, Dave, who can you get your tailor in here?
Speaker 1: I really want you to answer this our tribe, Brian.
Speaker 1: It's good. It's a good question from Joe, and it's
Speaker 1: not about players. But what do you think the Cowboys
Speaker 1: would do if Will McClay ever did leave? Like is
Speaker 1: there an understudy here? You know what? That's that's a
Speaker 1: very good question, because to be honest with you, I
Speaker 1: don't think they have a guy that like Will McClay
Speaker 1: like in the building. No, I don't think. I don't
Speaker 1: think they have a guy that knows how we talked
Speaker 1: about the triangle the other day. The Jones is, the scouts,
Speaker 1: the coaches. I think Will McClay is outstanding at bringing
Speaker 1: all those together and making sure that they're all on
Speaker 1: the same page. I don't know if they nestionarily have
Speaker 1: a guy like that. The problem is, and this is
Speaker 1: where I was having this conversation about general managers that
Speaker 1: you would hire and this is no shot at college scouts. Okay,
Speaker 1: but I would hire a general manager that has a
Speaker 1: background in pro personnel. I've got to know who's playing
Speaker 1: in the league. I've got to know who's playing in
Speaker 1: my division. Brian Guducus is a good scout for the
Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers who was just named general manager. Brian
Speaker 1: Kutigas can't tell you who the backup tight end is
Speaker 1: with Chicago Bears. He can't tell you who their nickel
Speaker 1: rushiers in Minnesota, and he can't tell you who the
Speaker 1: left tackle is for the Detroit Lions. You have got
Speaker 1: to know your teams in your division in order to
Speaker 1: build your team to defeat teams in your division, to
Speaker 1: win the division, to get in the playoffs. So in
Speaker 1: a world I'm not saying excuse, I'm not saying every
Speaker 1: scout that's a college scout can't be a great general manager.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, though, give me a guy that understands
Speaker 1: the league, and give me some scouts underneath them that
Speaker 1: could help me with the college side, and I will
Speaker 1: and I would imagine, I mean, and they're heavy the
Speaker 1: other way here. Not to trivialize it, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: it's hard work and it's important work. But I mean,
Speaker 1: you know the league. I mean, you can watch tape
Speaker 1: and identify college players, especially if you have people helping
Speaker 1: you do it. College guys tend to work on a
Speaker 1: draft and then forget the draft. Yeah, they go year
Speaker 1: to year. Yeah, that's a problem. You got to know
Speaker 1: who's playing in this league in order to have some success.
Speaker 1: So in a world where Will does one day leave
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, I would have to imagine they would have
Speaker 1: to go out, go outside the building. They would Yeah,
Speaker 1: and again the guys overascinating guys over there's some good scouts,
Speaker 1: but I don't think they have another Will McClay in
Speaker 1: this building. I really really don't. Okay, we're gonna take
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Speaker 1: lady right here knows her college football. She's learned a
Speaker 1: lot about pro football. I appreciate some of the conversations
Speaker 1: that I have with her about all this and the
Speaker 1: draft stuff. So she's come up with some questions. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like that that that's going to challenge us
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Speaker 1: Take hot take Tay. Yes, what do you got for
Speaker 1: us today? On it? It is? It is serious business
Speaker 1: here and Dane, you know, I questioned Dane. Everyone knows
Speaker 1: that Dane is grinding away three sixty five fifty two
Speaker 1: weeks of the year. What do you get bummdy didn't
Speaker 1: bring donuts today, but but I'll ask questions nonetheless. All right, guys,
Speaker 1: running backs, You guys know that I was a big
Speaker 1: proponent for a zy Gullets were going up there high
Speaker 1: at four over all, four of the Cowboys. Now in
Speaker 1: two thousand and two thousand and eight, there were four
Speaker 1: running backs drafted in the first round. Does that happen
Speaker 1: again this year? Could both of them be coming from Georgia?
Speaker 1: Could it be the Penn State? Great? Yeah, so over
Speaker 1: under four running backs in the first round. I've taken
Speaker 1: the under. I know you are, you're a hater. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the under two. But I think it's
Speaker 1: gonna it's gonna be close though, because I see close,
Speaker 1: I see three. Okay, I think the first round thirty
Speaker 1: two picks. I think, I mean Barkley is a lock.
Speaker 1: He's a lock. It's gonna be the fourth one. If
Speaker 1: it is, it's Barkley, Johnson, probably Jones. Okay, you guys
Speaker 1: love carry On Johnson. Yeah, you like him more than
Speaker 1: Ronald Jones. I have Barkley, guys, Jones, Johnson, Jones, those
Speaker 1: are the yeah, your adults son, my large adult son,
Speaker 1: Darius guys. I think he's a first round lock. Like
Speaker 1: if all four of those players went the round, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't I'd have no problem with it. I think Ronald
Speaker 1: Ronald Jones is seriously impressive. Man, He's very impressive. Hes
Speaker 1: Jamal Charles, he never loses his balance in the Bond
Speaker 1: Guy in the Gift, Oh he's not And like Linky Night.
Speaker 1: Think he's not powerful, but like he just shakes off everything.
Speaker 1: He runs so hard that his momentum creates power. But
Speaker 1: you're right, he's like a two hundred, two hundred and
Speaker 1: three pound back. I absolutely love him, and I think so.
Speaker 1: I think Kenny Native shout out North Texas true. I
Speaker 1: think Barkley guys and Jones all go in the first.
Speaker 1: I don't know about care. I think this is a shot.
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna say yes because I'm gonna think
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna fall in love with with love late in
Speaker 1: the draft. Sony Michelle did nothing for you, Dave. I
Speaker 1: like Sony Michelle. I think Dane's probably right though, like
Speaker 1: it's it's recency bias, like you've seen him play in
Speaker 1: these big games, like he's probably a second or third
Speaker 1: round pick. I don't think I draft him in the first.
Speaker 1: I gave over the summer a game of second round grade.
Speaker 1: I don't think that should change. I think he's a
Speaker 1: solid second round player, and that's that's not a bad.
Speaker 1: Thick Chubb who's been in college football for about twenty
Speaker 1: years now, he's done nothing for you. Yeah, I want
Speaker 1: Sony Michelle hanging around because I'd love to add him
Speaker 1: to this team if he's still there. You get a
Speaker 1: lot of these teams are gonna look at it and say, well,
Speaker 1: we could take a carry on Johnson, here are Darius
Speaker 1: guys here in late first round, or we just wait
Speaker 1: to the second round and get a Chubb, get a
Speaker 1: you know, one of these second round backs. So I
Speaker 1: think that's that type of mindset. With the running backs
Speaker 1: and receivers. We could only see maybe one or two
Speaker 1: receivers in the first only two or three running backs
Speaker 1: in the first. So I would go the under. All right, Well,
Speaker 1: you guys are talking about surplus, and I have another question.
Speaker 1: If my team needs a blank, my team is in
Speaker 1: luck the obvious ones. I say, running back and receiver
Speaker 1: who we just talked about. Yeah, based two receiver for sure, Yeah,
Speaker 1: two positions where you feel good about feel good about
Speaker 1: these any corners? I think corners A great corner is
Speaker 1: a great position this year. Uh. We know teams every
Speaker 1: team needs more corner hill. Uh. And I think in
Speaker 1: the first round, secon round, a third round, there's plenty
Speaker 1: of depth in each round. How many first round corners
Speaker 1: do you have on your board right now? I haven't
Speaker 1: done them all, but uh, I've done them before. I've
Speaker 1: got I've got two Warden Fitzpatrick. Okay, I didn't put
Speaker 1: Jackson in there. Say even Jackson, Alexander and Davis from Auburn.
Speaker 1: Jackson's a first round pick even if he think, even
Speaker 1: if he doesn't like to tackle, Yeah, I still like
Speaker 1: he's an accept I just got him in a spot
Speaker 1: that I know he's there, but I'm a little nervous
Speaker 1: about that. I like my guys to tackle a little
Speaker 1: bit on the edge. Yeah, yeah, you see what these
Speaker 1: two corners did here. Don't you like? Don't you like
Speaker 1: cornerbacks who can cover receivers and get interception. I do
Speaker 1: like Marcus Peters doesn't like to tackle. No, I don't care.
Speaker 1: He's awesome. Yeah. Yeah, Corners Alexander, And that's what I'm saying, Alexander. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean even a guy like Tarvarus McFadden from Florida
Speaker 1: State and get him in the second or third round.
Speaker 1: It's it's a position that has a lot of depth
Speaker 1: with these underclassmen. I'm looking at my ranking right now.
Speaker 1: I have one four twelve underclassmen in my top fifteen corners.
Speaker 1: So this underclassmen group has helped the corners a lot.
Speaker 1: How many players have you watched so far? I couldn't
Speaker 1: give you a number. God, I'm sorry, give him a break.
Speaker 1: You're gonna watch some more after we get done with this.
Speaker 1: Media scouts are too high on this guy. Usually it
Speaker 1: is receivers. Look at the Kuan Treadwell. Who with the
Speaker 1: media guys too high on. I mean, initially I thought
Speaker 1: it was James. Usually I thought it was it was him.
Speaker 1: I got some quarterbacks, some of these saderbacks. I think
Speaker 1: they're a little overrated. Oh, I got one for you.
Speaker 1: Quarter I mean quarterback, because you can pick these quarterbacks
Speaker 1: apart for a variety of it. I can't that I'm
Speaker 1: terrible at the position, but like you can watch their
Speaker 1: tape and find plenty to be wrong about him too,
Speaker 1: But you can find plenty to be critical of. Sure,
Speaker 1: I got one for you, Dane Bradley Chubb. You think
Speaker 1: just another Chub just in terms not that he not
Speaker 1: that he's not a good player. I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: say that, but I've watched him. You didn't. He's the
Speaker 1: guy like you do. You do a way too soon
Speaker 1: mock the day after every draft, right, he was if
Speaker 1: I had to guess he was probably in like your
Speaker 1: top five or no, he was. Actually that's because you're
Speaker 1: great at what you do. But he was in a
Speaker 1: lot of people's top five. Had been he's been. He's
Speaker 1: been the guy that we've been hyping as one of
Speaker 1: the best prospects in this draft for multiple years, like since,
Speaker 1: he's been like a softmore that Nelson. I just I've
Speaker 1: heard a lot about Bradley Chubb, and when I watched him,
Speaker 1: I was like, he's good, but he doesn't like he's
Speaker 1: not Miles Garrett like he does, I don't think. But
Speaker 1: but what I'm like, he gets talked about like he is,
Speaker 1: at least in my opinion. I gave him a second
Speaker 1: round grade over the summer boom based on his junior tape,
Speaker 1: but then this year as a senior, he amped it up.
Speaker 1: He did amped it up. Dave Taylor's just here as
Speaker 1: usual to just make life. I know, But I think
Speaker 1: that's fair because he's not a Miles Garrett. Not saying
Speaker 1: he's not a good player. I'm not even saying he's
Speaker 1: not a first round pick. He's just not that transcendent
Speaker 1: top five guy. A problem with that is this draft
Speaker 1: doesn't have five of those guys. That's fair. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: like this draft doesn't have ten top ten picks. You know,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't take him over. You certainly wouldn't take him
Speaker 1: over Garrett and I don't think you'd take him over
Speaker 1: Solomon Thomas either. Right about Josh Allen at the beginning
Speaker 1: of this year, Yeah, Josh Allen, Yeah, he's if we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about guys that are people a little bit overrated? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: It always happens that media guys catch up after the
Speaker 1: combine to really what's going on in the scouting world.
Speaker 1: That's the media scouts, with the exception of my colleagues here,
Speaker 1: um who do grind on the tape. I think Malik
Speaker 1: Jefferson's another one. I think a lot of people, yeahs
Speaker 1: bands and a lot of people in the media. I
Speaker 1: think he's a first round pick. I just don't see it.
Speaker 1: A lot of angry Longhorns, I know, and hey, no,
Speaker 1: but some of them admitted, some of mid Mitt that
Speaker 1: he didn't play well. I love Puna Ford, So it's
Speaker 1: not all Texas players, all right. I a second round
Speaker 1: offensive lineman in this draft. Who's my guy? You fell
Speaker 1: in love with one yesterday, didn't he Oh gosh, Hernandez
Speaker 1: or Quisenberry Hernandez. Yeah, U tap guys Hernandez Right, Hernandez,
Speaker 1: He's he's got bear claws for hands. He's so strong.
Speaker 1: This guy is square, he's tough, he's a finisher, and
Speaker 1: for three hundred and thirty something pounds, he can move.
Speaker 1: I would plug him in right now at left guard
Speaker 1: here and go. I really would. And I like the
Speaker 1: and I like the Quisenberry kid from UCLA the center.
Speaker 1: I don't know he's athletic enough to maybe play guard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but her Nandez is a guy that I again, U tap,
Speaker 1: poor team didn't win a game this year, But you
Speaker 1: watch the tape of this guy play, he will get
Speaker 1: your attention. I want a guard named Quisenberry. Now I
Speaker 1: can't Jersey Well, you said no, you're right on with
Speaker 1: Will Hernandez. I think he's right up there. Uh. This
Speaker 1: is a guy who had bad grades in high school,
Speaker 1: and so the bigger school is backed off. Utube was
Speaker 1: the only school that stayed on him. Is mean, and
Speaker 1: he rewards he well, he remembers that he plays with
Speaker 1: a chip and he can move. You're right, yeah, if
Speaker 1: he's left, you know, one on one battles. He's gonna
Speaker 1: win those, you know, every time. So I think Braden
Speaker 1: Smith from Auburn's another guard. Ever, I had problems with
Speaker 1: Braden sith I did. I like him. I think he's
Speaker 1: in the second mix. And then Isaiah Win from Georgia.
Speaker 1: There we left tackle, who I think is going to
Speaker 1: be a starter at guard. I think he's also in
Speaker 1: that early day two conversation. I like it. Christian Kirk,
Speaker 1: somebody that everyone knows in this region. Is he really
Speaker 1: just a slot receiver? He was at A and M
Speaker 1: and that's what I think. I've talked to some Scots
Speaker 1: about this. He had a first round slot receiver. They're
Speaker 1: they're torn on this because they want to see it.
Speaker 1: You think he can do it. I think he could
Speaker 1: play outside. I think he can too. I just don't
Speaker 1: know if he'll be as effective. What's his current hype? Ah?
Speaker 1: He is five six, I believes, right, yeah, six right
Speaker 1: right at five to eleven five one zero six, that's him.
Speaker 1: I think he can play pounds though side. If he
Speaker 1: can't play outside, that's scary. I don't don't tell me again.
Speaker 1: It's just that he's never he was a slot only
Speaker 1: receiver at and I tell you what, we need to
Speaker 1: go down to A and M the pro day and
Speaker 1: see what receivers. Yeah. Yeah, if you're more welcome to
Speaker 1: anybody wants to come on. But is that Are you
Speaker 1: really going to learn anything from that? Yeah, but let's
Speaker 1: see who's working him out and see if they're working
Speaker 1: him out outside, if they're making him do stuff outside stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because a big part of it's going to be he's
Speaker 1: a first round player for me, he's a second receiver
Speaker 1: I have on the board. Can he separate versus press?
Speaker 1: Can you know when he doesn't have when he has
Speaker 1: a sideline to his right and he really you know,
Speaker 1: there's only so many things he can do with his release.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have the open field like in the slot.
Speaker 1: Will he be as effective instan separation. I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to spend pick nineteen on a guy who can't play outside,
Speaker 1: So let's figure that out A good questions. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's it's that he can't. It's just that we
Speaker 1: don't know for sure that he can, And it's just
Speaker 1: a little bit of a projection to say that he
Speaker 1: will because we haven't seen him do it. Scary. Well,
Speaker 1: he's gonna run every bit of fourth though, get ready
Speaker 1: for Yeah, he's four he's a really really good speed
Speaker 1: that as a punt returner, he's gonna make a big
Speaker 1: impact too. So the Cowboys are already said at return,
Speaker 1: So we're good. All right. Another guy I want to
Speaker 1: know about what position? Do you think that train? Maine Edmonds,
Speaker 1: the linebacker from Virginia Tech. Can he play in the league?
Speaker 1: Which one can't? He plays the baller, he can play
Speaker 1: them all. I don't. I don't you want to take
Speaker 1: him at nineteen? I have no problem taking him nineteen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he can play strong, he could play. He put his
Speaker 1: hand in the ground and rush off the edge. He's
Speaker 1: six four two forty five. You talk about him helm
Speaker 1: and you watched him last night. Well that's We actually
Speaker 1: had a twitter on the twenty question that we didn't
Speaker 1: get to and somebody said, you know, if Roquan Smith
Speaker 1: isn't there is there another linebacker that is? And I
Speaker 1: think that's your guy. Yeah, there's only two linebackers. I've
Speaker 1: given first round grades too. On Okay again, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do that. I don't player comparison suck. But and he's
Speaker 1: not as athletic. He's definitely not as athletic. But like
Speaker 1: I thought, I was thinking about Jalen Smith while I
Speaker 1: was watching him, not just because of the dreads, but
Speaker 1: like they use him as a pass rusher. He's a
Speaker 1: big dude. He's four two forty five, Like he's very large.
Speaker 1: I think you could use him in certain pass rush situations.
Speaker 1: He's got the athleticism to play multiple linebacker spots, and
Speaker 1: he hits really hard, just like Jalen does. So it
Speaker 1: would be his best position. I think that's what she
Speaker 1: wants to know. Best position. Uh. In this scheme, I
Speaker 1: would play him at Mike right, I would lean. I'd
Speaker 1: play at Mike myself. I would lean Mike. Yeah, in
Speaker 1: this scheme, Uh, I would like to see him at
Speaker 1: a three to four. That'd be fun. Yeah, if you
Speaker 1: if him and Jalen Smith were in the same linebacker corps,
Speaker 1: you're talking about like one of the biggest linebacker at
Speaker 1: least for four. Yeah. Two guys are like almost two fifty.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I got two defensive ends playing
Speaker 1: Michael Hey, I'm all about it, especially if you you know,
Speaker 1: people talk about the defensive tackle position as a problem here, Like,
Speaker 1: if you don't have beef upfront, you might as well
Speaker 1: have two check. Can't you remember Ferrell Edmunds his dad? Yeah,
Speaker 1: tight End, Yeah, he's this guy grew up with the NFL.
Speaker 1: He knows what it's like to be a professional. It's
Speaker 1: a good player on that Virginia check tape or a
Speaker 1: And for a guy that big, he doesn't look uncomfortable
Speaker 1: and coverage, No, he does. He's carrying guys up the field,
Speaker 1: you tight Ends. He can cover running backs, he can
Speaker 1: move up the field and doesn't look like he's lost
Speaker 1: laboring at all. Yeah, the motor is stuck in turbo.
Speaker 1: He's got the character you want to so I think
Speaker 1: he's I like when he hits people, they stop. Jayleen's
Speaker 1: got that trade him will stop. Yeah, yeah, it's bump stop.
Speaker 1: I'd argue they don't. They don't stop, they go backwards. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he's He's that type of player, No doubt.
Speaker 1: It's even better surefire number one prospect in this draft?
Speaker 1: Who is it? Is there one? Did you find one
Speaker 1: yet that you feel comfortable saying is the number one
Speaker 1: player in this draft? Leave? I love the Nelson? Ye say,
Speaker 1: we're worth gonna say the guard arm. Yeah, the Notre
Speaker 1: Dame guard Quentin Nelson to me, if you if you said, okay,
Speaker 1: what's the player? And that's why we brought up the
Speaker 1: thing about with Gettelman and the giant at the second pick,
Speaker 1: who is the guy that you're gonna plug in and
Speaker 1: he's gonna play for ten twelve years. So I asked,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna worry about I asked the question, like,
Speaker 1: the guy that gives you the most pause at picking
Speaker 1: this this is that you're just like, there's no doubt
Speaker 1: he's a pro bowler. There's just no doubt, Quentin Nelson,
Speaker 1: Guard Notre Dame. Every year we're gonna be talking about
Speaker 1: the matchups on the line, you know. I actually I asked,
Speaker 1: I asked Zach Martin about him back before the guy's
Speaker 1: left for the year, and you know he outing I know, right,
Speaker 1: he was like, uh, I mean, he was very complimentary.
Speaker 1: But I thought it was funny because Travis Frederick was
Speaker 1: standing there and he's like, yeah, he's just the latest
Speaker 1: product product to come out of the new O line.
Speaker 1: You can take in a shot at Travis, which I
Speaker 1: thought it was pretty funny. This guy is a little
Speaker 1: anecdote for those guys. Hey, I think as far as
Speaker 1: is sure fire guys, that would be the one guy
Speaker 1: that I would think, I'd agree. Do you have any
Speaker 1: pause about Berkeley? I do. I like Berkeley all. I
Speaker 1: think he's a special player. But um, there are some
Speaker 1: things that worry me about him. He stops his feet
Speaker 1: way too much in the backfield. That worries me. H
Speaker 1: Washing Ohio State tape, you saw a lot of that. Now,
Speaker 1: the offensive line he played with didn't do him a
Speaker 1: lot of favors, but that does give me a little
Speaker 1: bit of pause when evaluating him. You put him in
Speaker 1: space and look out. Just talking about the physical traits,
Speaker 1: he's off the charts. But it's also why I had
Speaker 1: a higher grade on Zeke, because because I thought he
Speaker 1: was better with the running back specific traits, his vision,
Speaker 1: his patience, his tempo, the overall decision making at the
Speaker 1: running back position. I give Zeke the edge there, and
Speaker 1: so I like Berkeley a lot. I'd take him somewhere
Speaker 1: in the top ten, but I would not one overall.
Speaker 1: I would not say he's the best player in this draft. Okay,
Speaker 1: and you're saying Nelson probably or one of the quarterbacks right,
Speaker 1: I would say Nelson and Fitzpatrick's in that conversation. For me,
Speaker 1: I really like Darnold, but I would not say he's
Speaker 1: the top player in this draft. You got one more?
Speaker 1: Got one more? Is there a team in this top
Speaker 1: five of the draft that is likely to bail? About
Speaker 1: the Giants? And so we were talking about whatever show
Speaker 1: that was I when we talked about earlier, how there's
Speaker 1: not five top five players in this draft. You know
Speaker 1: this isn't Bosa Ze Ramsey type of drafts. Who needs
Speaker 1: the most help on their team in the top five
Speaker 1: of all those groups? Can somebody remind me real Bolts?
Speaker 1: Do you think the Colts would be Colts? Got it?
Speaker 1: Colts would be the team I would say would bail
Speaker 1: at three? Who's at five? H Broncos? Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: the Broncos are gonna stand in their pick. They don't
Speaker 1: need I mean, Broncos trade up? How about that? Maybe
Speaker 1: maybe the Broncos make that deal to get up with
Speaker 1: the Giants. Like if the Giants can drop back just
Speaker 1: to five and pick up some stuff and they don't
Speaker 1: Nelson and something I'll watch with with the Broncos, they'll
Speaker 1: be coaching the North team at the Senior Bowl. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, Josh Allen, I'm totill be in the North team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I refuse to believe. Close look at those quarterbacks that
Speaker 1: I refuse to believe one of those guys is a
Speaker 1: top five pick. That would blow my mind. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: never know the first round guy's true. They're already they're
Speaker 1: already ready to move to be right in the face
Speaker 1: with that one. Sorry, Brian, all right, I'll have them. Hey,
Speaker 1: thanks so much, great, appreciate appreciate you coming in and
Speaker 1: show your top five us. All right, that's what all
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