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Speaker 1: Alex Rodriguez did not end his relationship with the Yankees

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Speaker 1: on a high note. Lots of turbulence throughout that one,

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Speaker 1: and he is taking it out on them.

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Speaker 2: Is he right or wrong?

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Speaker 3: Though?

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Speaker 2: And that's what we're going to go through right now.

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Speaker 1: So he made an appearance on New York radio WFAN

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Speaker 1: a few days ago, and he essentially said that the

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Speaker 1: hitting philosophy for the Yankees is absolutely broken. That's a quote,

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Speaker 1: absolutely broken, and he was referring to Anthony Volpi as

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Speaker 1: an example. I'll read the quote and then we'll get reactions.

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Speaker 1: Here A Rod said, Vulpi really is an incredible young

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Speaker 1: man with a great family, and the organization has fallen

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Speaker 1: in love with him.

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Speaker 2: But at some point the numbers don't lie.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: You have one hundred and sixty seven strikeouts rookie season,

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Speaker 1: one fifty six, twenty twenty four, one fifty last season.

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Speaker 2: That's his first three years. And here's a young man.

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Speaker 1: That the biggest way he can impact winning is with

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Speaker 1: his number one tool, and that's his legs.

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Speaker 2: But we've taken his legs away.

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Speaker 1: And by what I mean by that is, here's a

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Speaker 1: young man who has stolen over fifty bases in the

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Speaker 1: minor leagues. He sold eighteen last year, and it's hard

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Speaker 1: to impact winning teams when you're striking out one hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty times and you're hitting two twelve A rod continues,

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Speaker 1: So I think if you zoom out, it's an organization

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Speaker 1: hitting philosophy that is absolutely broken, and until they fix it,

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Speaker 1: I don't think they win big. I remember Volpi had

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Speaker 1: offseason surgery now for a partial tear in his left shoulder.

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Speaker 2: He played the whole year, apparently he was dealing with that.

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Speaker 1: Since May, sounds like Caberra is going to be the

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Speaker 1: starting shortstop until Volpi returns. But do you think KP

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Speaker 1: that there is a problem here with how they have

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Speaker 1: developed a young man who was one of the top

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Speaker 1: prospects in the sport and has essentially put up the

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Speaker 1: same numbers on offense over the first three seasons of

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Speaker 5: Sure, sure, I mean I'd like to defer to Crassy

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Speaker 5: because he played for the organization, and I know, you

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Speaker 5: know there's been some change in you know, hitting coaches,

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Speaker 6: The yank He's hitting philosophy.

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Speaker 5: So I wish you would have potentially, you know, maybe

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Speaker 5: given some context. So what that hitting philosophy is, you know,

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Speaker 5: I could speak on the teams that I played for,

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Speaker 5: the hitting coaches that I played for, the Toronto Blue Jays,

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Speaker 5: philosophy is. I don't know anything about the Yankees hitting philosophy.

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Speaker 5: I know Aaron Judges hitting philosophy because you know his

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Speaker 5: hitting coaches outside hitting coaches, you know, the most talked

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Speaker 5: about hitting coach in the game. But I don't really

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Speaker 5: know anything about it. But if you look at the

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Speaker 5: disagree with what he's saying. But at the end of

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Speaker 5: the day, it's also hard for someone who's been retired

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Speaker 6: Some of it has to, you know, fall in the

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Speaker 5: You know, if I'm Anthony Vulpi and I understand my

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Speaker 5: could run and steal bases, I have to figure out

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Speaker 5: a way to strike out less. But it's hard for

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Speaker 5: me to say that their organizational philosophy is broken when

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Speaker 5: I don't even know what it is.

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Speaker 7: As a player, you're always looking to improve. As an organization,

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Speaker 7: you're always looking for your players to improve. For Ay

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Speaker 7: Rod to say this without having spent a day in

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Speaker 7: the season with him, I feel like it's kind of

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Speaker 7: I feel like it's kind of weak. I feel like

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Speaker 7: it is a weak comment because you want him to

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Speaker 7: decrease his strikeouts. Okay, he went one sixty seven, one

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Speaker 7: fifty six. I'm sure that's going down to one fifty

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Speaker 7: Do you want him to drop it by fifty strikeouts?

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Speaker 7: Look across the game, who's doing that? Nobody's doing that? Okay,

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Speaker 7: So to me, he's making small incremental changes that haven't

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Speaker 7: I went through a bunch of different numbers and my

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Speaker 7: Dansby Swanson. Everybody knows who Dansby Swanson is now He's

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Speaker 7: won two gold Gloves later in his career, but his

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Speaker 7: first three years very arguably, Volpi has had better years.

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Speaker 7: He's had more power, he's stolen way more bases, and

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Speaker 7: Dansby Swanson's a great player. I saw Dansby Swanson early

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Speaker 7: in his career, playing shortstop at a young age of

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Speaker 7: he was playing with it the whole time, and he

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Speaker 3: This is a big year.

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Speaker 7: His fourth year was when Dansby Swanson took that next step.

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Speaker 7: I think Volpi's ceiling could be higher than Dansby Swanson's.

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Speaker 7: And I don't think it's all titled to strikeouts. To me,

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Speaker 7: I think it's the consistency to reach his peak, to

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Speaker 7: but he showed spurts of hitting really well against quality,

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Speaker 7: how can he take an entire season and really, for me,

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Speaker 7: don't know what that is. I'm not in there with

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Speaker 3: Surgery that he had this offseason, it's not going to

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Speaker 5: As you were talking about it, I started thinking about

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Speaker 5: But I think what people need to understand is Anthony

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Speaker 6: Up as a positional need for the New York Yankees.

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Speaker 5: They knew that his glove was ready, and he went

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Speaker 5: Get caught up in that as a player, much like

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Speaker 5: but we're also two different types of hitters. I had

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Speaker 5: that was never a thing. But you talk about those

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Speaker 5: So he's much like to your point, he's had a

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Speaker 5: It's no disrespect to the people that they have in

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Speaker 7: That is so true, and that's why some superstars don't

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Speaker 6: He was. He was talking to you guys, to the poor.

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Speaker 7: It, okay, but they're elite enough for teams to trade

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Speaker 3: But it can be discussion.

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Speaker 1: What did we get roasted for two years ago when

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Speaker 2: We've gone over this before, right.

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Speaker 1: And many of those guys didn't end up panning out out.

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Speaker 3: Isn't that right?

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Speaker 7: Isn't that what you're supposed to do is an organization

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Speaker 7: So I think during that time period, you know, when

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Speaker 6: And you know, some of it could be on Anthony Volbe.

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Speaker 6: Maybe he's not listening. I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I've never been in that clubhouse. I've never been in

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Speaker 6: Decreased a lot.

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Speaker 5: The Yankees used to be able to go out and

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Speaker 1: Interesting thought piece from Jeff Passon labeled why manager salaries

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Speaker 9: Know they don't have to pay him, because there's people

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Speaker 9: So we can just stick anybody out.

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Speaker 4: That's the difference guys in the NFL.

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Speaker 9: I don't know if there's a union in the NFL

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Speaker 9: and the NBA, but I mean, I can't imagine there's

439
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Speaker 9: many coaches in those two leagues making a million dollars Hey,

440
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Speaker 9: there's coaches in small Division one football schools that are

441
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Speaker 9: making a million dollars.

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Speaker 4: So I don't understand it. I know why.

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Speaker 9: It's because the president of baseball ops have the owner's

444
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Speaker 9: ear and the GM make more money than the manager does,

445
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Speaker 9: and they tell them we make all the decison visions.

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Speaker 3: Anyways, why does it matter. We don't have to.

447
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 9: Pay the manager. If he doesn't work out, we'll just

448
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,879
Speaker 9: go find another one for cheaper. And that's what teams

449
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,119
Speaker 9: have done. They don't value managers as much as they should,

450
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Speaker 9: and they're even more grossy underpaid are the coaches that

451
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Speaker 9: are on these manager staves.

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Speaker 4: If you think a million.

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Speaker 9: Dollars as bad, ask a coach what they make in

454
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Speaker 9: the hours they put in. It's even fucking worse.

455
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Speaker 7: I'm glad you hit the part on the coaches, so

456
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Speaker 7: I won't hit that part because it is crazy the

457
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Speaker 7: amount they make, and everybody wants to be that guy,

458
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Speaker 7: like I want to be a coach in the big leagues. Well, yeah,

459
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Speaker 7: that's why they pay guys so little, because it's never

460
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Speaker 7: been that like, oh, I'm up for the next coaching job.

461
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Speaker 7: It's like, oh, I want to have that job, and

462
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Speaker 7: I think one of the reasons, and maybe this isn't

463
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Speaker 7: the case, and I've never been in negotiation for managerial position,

464
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Speaker 7: but look at what happened this offseason. You had so

465
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Speaker 7: many openings, and there's a lot of guys who are like,

466
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Speaker 7: I have to be a big league manager.

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Speaker 3: So they're willing to.

468
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Speaker 7: Take pennies the dollar compared to what they should be

469
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Speaker 7: willing to take, and because of what AJ said, the

470
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Speaker 7: front offices don't value it. But then you have managers

471
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Speaker 7: that win Manager of the Year. You have managers that are,

472
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Speaker 7: you know, constantly taking their teams to the playoffs, and

473
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Speaker 7: what do we hear about them?

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Speaker 3: Ooh, he's a lame duck.

475
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Speaker 7: But the managers who just got paid are really good

476
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Speaker 7: Craig Counsel and Dave Roberts. But they almost went to

477
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Speaker 7: free agency, or in Craig Council's case, he did go

478
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Speaker 7: to free agency.

479
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Speaker 3: That's how players get the most value.

480
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Speaker 7: Managers might need to take that risk knowing you might

481
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Speaker 7: not get a managerial job. I mean, there's some guys

482
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Speaker 7: right now that are still out there that were successful

483
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Speaker 7: or what I thought were good managers that don't have

484
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 7: big league jobs. But you have to be willing to

485
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Speaker 7: risk going to free agency and hoping there's a team

486
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Speaker 7: out there that wants to have you as their manager,

487
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Speaker 7: and other organizations don't. Like everyone says there's only thirty jobs.

488
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Speaker 7: Really for a really good manager, there's probably only like

489
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Speaker 7: ten jobs, maybe fifteen in a certain year, because teams

490
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Speaker 7: don't value what a manager brings. And so what managers

491
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Speaker 7: do is they say, yeah, i'll take my two year

492
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Speaker 7: extension with a possible third year option.

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Speaker 3: I'll take my.

494
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Speaker 7: One and a half year extension because the option has

495
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Speaker 7: to be picked up in certain things, like if they

496
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Speaker 7: go to free agency. I think that will up the

497
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Speaker 7: value of managers. Because Craig Council got that huge contract.

498
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Speaker 7: He's never even been to a World Series as a manager,

499
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Speaker 7: So there's the value there, but you have to be

500
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Speaker 7: willing to take the risk too.

501
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Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody's doing that. I mean, just going back to

502
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Speaker 1: what I was saying at the top. So we didn't

503
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Speaker 1: know this. It kind of came out just recently. But

504
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Speaker 1: Stephen both did end up signing a little extension, so

505
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Speaker 1: he's got more time now than through the twenty six season.

506
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Speaker 1: As of when we're doing this, Pat Murphy is only

507
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Speaker 1: signed up through the twenty twenty six season, and sure,

508
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Speaker 1: is he sixty seven years old? Yeah, but I mean

509
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: he's like in his prime in terms of coaching, and

510
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: look what he's done the past couple of years. It's

511
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Speaker 1: hard to look at that situation and be like, how

512
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Speaker 1: does this guy not have a few years on the

513
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 1: books at the moment he wants to be there. He'll

514
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 1: almost scream it, right aj He's said and quoted in

515
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Speaker 1: this article and others that he wants to be with

516
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Speaker 1: the Brewers. He wants to like ten more years and

517
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: just be with Milwaukee. And he's like, I hope they

518
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: want me to like you. Hope they want you to

519
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: Look what you've done the past couple of seasons. How

520
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: is it so twisted in our sport? Where in other

521
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 1: sports they're like, we'll see and it's a whole song

522
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: and dance and game Lane Kiffin right, like it dominates

523
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 1: the headlines. And in baseball it's like, I hope they

524
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 1: still like me after I've taken the bottom ten payroll

525
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 1: and took them to back to back division titles, including

526
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Speaker 1: the best record in baseball this past season. Please please

527
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 1: take me back? Because is no knock on Patt it's

528
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: just the culture right now within the sport and how

529
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: much the front office is dominate. I get that, AJ,

530
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: but still like you want to take care of certain

531
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Speaker 1: front office members, Like that's cool, but it's just it's

532
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Speaker 1: weird to see where we've gone in some ways with

533
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Speaker 1: the manager role, Like the one I pointed out Kurt Suzuki,

534
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: former player. He's got money and they're like, screw you

535
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: one year, take it or leave it, and he's like, cool,

536
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Speaker 1: I want to be in the bigs as a manager.

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Speaker 3: I'll take it.

538
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 2: That's that's a tough one to look at it.

539
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 9: You just said it though he wanted to be a

540
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 9: big league manager. And like I said earlier, the front

541
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 9: offices don't value this position because they think they have

542
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 9: convinced everybody. It's all about who the GM and the

543
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 9: president of baseball ops. I mean, heck, a lot of

544
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 9: them try to undervalue players. That's the other thing they

545
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,120
Speaker 9: under They want to be like, oh, we can David

546
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 9: stillierren to use David Starns right now, he's gonna be in, Oh,

547
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 9: we'll let this guy go free, Andjie, we'll get look

548
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 9: at it what I did in Milwaukee, and look at

549
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 9: what I can do now in New York, right, So

550
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 9: they undervalue things because they all want to prove they

551
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 9: can do it by spending less for their owner, because

552
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 9: then their owner goes, oh, man, this guy, we only

553
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 9: paid one million dollars for our manager, and look we

554
00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 9: almost made the playoffs. Managers don't matter, right, So it's

555
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 9: all about value, and because people will take anything to

556
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 9: be that guy and ex players, that's why you don't

557
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 9: see that many ex players listen. I don't know the

558
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 9: exact numbers, but I'm pretty sure when Alex Cora and

559
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 9: Aaron Boone got their jobs, they weren't making five million

560
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 9: dollars a year.

561
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 4: They were making a pretty.

562
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 9: Small amount, but they wanted to be managers so bad

563
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 9: they took it, and they've turned out to be great managers.

564
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 9: So now they're probably getting raised from there. But at

565
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 9: the time, I mean, ox Coy just signed a nice extension, right,

566
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 9: But when he first took that job, he wasn't making

567
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 9: what he's making now. So yes, you have to be

568
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 9: able to live on that edge, but most guys don't

569
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 9: do that because most guys also that take these jobs

570
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 9: don't have money in behind them to say, if I

571
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 9: lose this job. I can afford to lose this job.

572
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 9: You know, Blake Putero just got the nast job, right.

573
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 9: He never played in the big leagues. He didn't have

574
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 9: money for his family and kids and everyone for generations,

575
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 9: like a lot of guys that played in the big leagues.

576
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 4: For a long time doo.

577
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Speaker 9: So yes, they'll take a low cut job because they're like, man,

578
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 9: a million dollars sounds pretty damn good to me, and

579
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 9: I'm in the big leagues and I get big league

580
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 9: meals and I get all that stuff.

581
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, they'll take it. That's why.

582
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Speaker 7: Here's my here's my biggest thing is when you compare NBA,

583
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 7: maybe not NBA, when you compare NFL and college football,

584
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 7: what do they want to do every single year? They

585
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,239
Speaker 7: want to win. Guarantee they want to win. So they

586
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 7: sign a guy for five years and they're like bringing Lane

587
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 7: Kiffin in to win. We're bringing Andy Reid in because

588
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 7: we want to win. You never hear you never hear

589
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 7: the Florida Gators go, this year's kind of a rebuilding year.

590
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 7: So we're not really sure what kind of head coach

591
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 7: we really want in this situation.

592
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 3: No, they want to win.

593
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 7: I think if more organizations truly want to win year

594
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 7: in and year out and not play the we hope

595
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 7: kind of thing.

596
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 3: We're going to rebuild a retool we don't.

597
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 7: Really need that much of a you know, impact in

598
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 7: the managerial role.

599
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 3: Then the salaries aren't going to go up.

600
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Speaker 7: But the organizations that want to win year in and

601
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,239
Speaker 7: year out and don't look ahead to three years, Uh,

602
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 7: that's probably when we're going to lose our three aces

603
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 7: that we brought up from the minor leagues. So we're gonna,

604
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 7: you know, we're gonna have kind of a retooling. That's

605
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 7: why they don't. That's why they don't get these long

606
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 7: term extensions. That's why they don't get these big, big

607
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 7: time deals. Like these jobs, these thirty jobs should be

608
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 7: coveted by the front offices and say, I want the

609
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 7: best manager. I want the best aj Prasinski manager that's

610
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 7: out there. I want the best just like the college

611
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 7: football football organizations teams do. Just like the NFL teams,

612
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 7: they want to win, so they get the best coaches

613
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 7: to do that.

614
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, if I was owning a team, this is a

615
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: place where you can win on the margins and it

616
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: doesn't cost you much more than where you're at, right,

617
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: I mean, but you have to allow that talent to

618
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: get to free agency. Like you guys said, right, you

619
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: can be an owner who really cares and be looking

620
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: and go, he's never getten to me, I can't get him.

621
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Speaker 1: I mean, he's not leaving his contract. They keep renewing

622
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: him and good for the team on their end. But

623
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: these guys have to go to free agency like Craig

624
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: Counsel did. That's why it's fascinating. So if you have thoughts,

625
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: if we're missing something, let us know. But I do

626
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: think the comparisons are pretty crazy. When you look at

627
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: the few top guys making a lot of baseball, not

628
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: even close to the top in a sport like basketball,

629
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: and then you look at where the mean or the

630
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: median is in baseball, and then a third of the

631
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: league just getting replaced just now. It's a pretty crazy

632
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: scene to see where we're at with managers in baseball