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Speaker 1: Guess what mango?

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Speaker 2: What's that?

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Speaker 3: Well, so I was reading this article in Mother Jones.

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Speaker 3: It's by Rowan Jacobson.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I know that byline he writes all those

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Speaker 2: great food articles, like there was that one on a

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Speaker 3: I think, yeah, yeah, Well for this article he was

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Speaker 3: writing about apples, We're gonna go with a different food topic,

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Speaker 3: mango apples and apple trees specifically. And you know, until

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Speaker 3: I read this piece, I had no idea how long

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Speaker 3: an apple tree could live?

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Speaker 1: Did you know? I have no idea?

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Speaker 3: This isn't in your list of facts. Well, actually, I'm

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Speaker 3: just going to quote him here. It says, even when abandoned,

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Speaker 3: an apple tree can live more than two hundred years,

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Speaker 3: and like the giving tree in shel Silverstein's book, it

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Speaker 3: will wait patiently for the boy to return. There is

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Speaker 3: a bent old black Oxford tree and Hollowell, Maine that

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Speaker 3: is approximately two centuries old and still gives a crop

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Speaker 3: of midnight purple apples each fall.

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Speaker 2: I've actually never heard of midnight purple apples. We're learning

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Speaker 2: so many things today.

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Speaker 3: Well, apparently the US used to have thousands of different

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Speaker 3: varieties of apples in the eighteen hundreds and the styles

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Speaker 3: are really astonished. And since we're getting into fall and

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Speaker 3: apple picking season, we thought it'd be fun to do

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Speaker 3: a list of nine things all about apples. So let's

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Speaker 3: dig it. Hey, their podcast listeners, welcome to Part Time Genius.

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Speaker 3: I'm Will Pearson and as always I'm joined by my

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Speaker 3: good friend Mangesh hot Ticketter and sitting behind the soundproof

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Speaker 3: glass trying to stack apples three on top of each other.

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Speaker 1: How long do you think he's been doing this? It's been.

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Speaker 3: I guess that's how tall as smurf is supposed to be.

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Speaker 3: Three apples, three apples. Our friend and producer Tristan McNeil

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Speaker 3: always up to something.

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Speaker 2: What a weirdo, but we love him. So I'm actually

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Speaker 2: happy you picked apples as a topic because our cute

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Speaker 2: little neighbor Ben, who is the best dressed gentleman on

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Speaker 3: About Ben Bowl in the podcaster here, I was like,

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Speaker 3: he's not that little or well dressed.

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Speaker 2: Actually he is well dressed. But our neighbor brought these

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Speaker 2: like little bag of apples over this morning because he'd

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Speaker 2: gotten apple picking this weekend, and in Georgia, I mean

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Speaker 2: it's late September here, but it is so warm, I

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Speaker 2: don't really think of it as apple picking season, and

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Speaker 2: fall now. But where do you want to start?

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Speaker 1: Well, hoy, don't we start with just the varieties of apples.

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Speaker 3: I know we mentioned just how many there used to

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Speaker 3: of eighteen apples with these incredible names that our friend

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Speaker 3: just so great. So we've got spartan dog, snout, Winterstein,

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Speaker 3: rusty Coat, cor de bouffe, which is one of my favorites,

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Speaker 3: which means heart of beef, and my favorite American mother.

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Speaker 2: So those are some tough sounding names and they almost

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Speaker 3: Actually, it's funny you say that, because there is one

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Speaker 2: And it does not sound appealing the way you say that.

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Speaker 2: They're right, But you know, docs now isn't like an

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Speaker 2: in reading all these descriptions, are there any of these

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Speaker 3: I mean, there was actually something in that row in

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Speaker 3: jacobson piece. So, like we mentioned, in the mid eighteen hundreds,

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Speaker 3: ones that were the heartiest to transport for obvious reasons,

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Speaker 2: Why I red delicious are so popular, but you know,

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Speaker 3: But one of the apples that Jacobson writes about is

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Speaker 2: So did we just get rid of it because it

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Speaker 2: So that's really interesting that they grafted a branch to

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Speaker 2: But one thing I didn't know until you know, we

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Speaker 2: if you ate a macintosh apple and planted the seed,

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Speaker 3: Like farmers at apple orchards actually rent thousands of bees

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Speaker 2: I did not realize there was a rental market for bees.

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Speaker 2: It's just kind of amazing. But the professor ended the

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Speaker 2: article by saying, quote, this intensive work results in apples

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Speaker 1: I doubt that that's really true, but it gives you

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Speaker 2: That is interesting. Well, kind of like how Audubon used

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Speaker 2: told you that Ruby is obsessed with making fruit salads

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Speaker 2: So I walked in the house the other day and

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Speaker 2: Raise your hand, dad, wis in your hand?

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Speaker 1: Raised you gotta be honest with that's pretty good. Now,

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's surprising how good it is for a

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Speaker 2: If you want, I can come back and show you how,

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Speaker 2: Like it's a secret or something. It's so ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Pretty great, all right, So we're talking apples and the

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Speaker 3: I think her obsessions deserve a night at some point.

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Speaker 1: Mango?

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Speaker 2: Maybe Why New York is called a big Apple?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, a good one.

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Speaker 2: So New York City does produce a lot of apples,

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Speaker 2: but according to history dot com, the nickname doesn't have

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Speaker 2: But you know, what's interesting to me is that New

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, all right, Well, I'm going to end this

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Speaker 3: one on Isaac Newton. It just felt like the right

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Speaker 3: thing to do in a story I found on him

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Speaker 3: from our friends at Nita Rama. So everybody's heard the

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Speaker 3: Now what's interesting, though, is that there are a number

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Speaker 3: That the apple is a green cooking apple called the

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Speaker 2: I like that we're giving this pear shaped, mediocre apple

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Speaker 1: Well, thanks so much. And if you look, actually he

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Speaker 1: has stacked four apples. He's just showing off over there. Tristan.

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