WEBVTT - I Choose ... the Magic of Makeup with Erica Taylor

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Girl. Hello,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to I Choose Me, the podcast that believes choosing

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<v Speaker 1>yourself is the quiet revolution of looking in the mirror,

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<v Speaker 1>really looking, and saying I'm here and I'm worth showing

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<v Speaker 1>up for. If you're like me, you look in the mirror,

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<v Speaker 1>you notice that your face has changed, which is not

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<v Speaker 1>a bad thing. Do we need to update our makeup

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<v Speaker 1>routine to match these hard earned changes? Though? Erica Taylor

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<v Speaker 1>says yes. She is a thirty year veteran of the

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<v Speaker 1>beauty industry. Her new book, The Magic of Makeup, Your

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<v Speaker 1>Handbook for a Youthful, Radiant Look, is a practical guide

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<v Speaker 1>to unlearning the makeup tricks of your youth and deaging

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<v Speaker 1>your face with every swipe of a brush. I'm so

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<v Speaker 1>excited for this. Please welcome my friend Erica Taylor. A. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so we just met. This is crazy. We just met

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<v Speaker 1>when we were both a part of the It Cosmetics

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<v Speaker 1>campaign for their bomb that has changed my everyday routine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, insane?

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<v Speaker 1>The do it all tinted face bomb? Am I saying

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<v Speaker 1>it right?

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<v Speaker 2>Cheer tin facebomb?

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<v Speaker 1>Cheer tint I always forget that part?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know it's buildable.

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<v Speaker 1>It is buildable. I wear it every day. I love

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<v Speaker 1>that stuff. Are you wearing it right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Look at that glow show you look glowychloey flashing, but

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<v Speaker 2>that that helps.

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<v Speaker 1>With the glow. Congrats on your new book.

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<v Speaker 2>What I thank you?

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<v Speaker 1>So happy for you and you. Yes, I had a

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<v Speaker 1>book out the week before your book came out.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think you were at Were you at

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<v Speaker 2>Bookends too?

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<v Speaker 1>I believe I was.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just there too.

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<v Speaker 1>I was that in New Jersey. Yes, Yeah, they do

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<v Speaker 1>a good job there.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice.

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<v Speaker 1>It was amazing A husband and wife duo.

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<v Speaker 2>They're so cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, congrats on the release of the Magic of Makeup.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you. I'm so excited. I knew or thought i'd

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<v Speaker 2>be an author.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, well you did it. Is this your first book?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? To me, it's like a it's like a chooser

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<v Speaker 2>Which Way book of makeup? You know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>It's like the ADHD Guide to Makeup.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, how long have you been doing makeup?

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<v Speaker 2>Thirty years?

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<v Speaker 1>Thirty years? And you started as a professional makeup artist

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<v Speaker 1>in the industry or.

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<v Speaker 2>I started as a college student in art Okay, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was getting punished for not having a job, and

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<v Speaker 2>I always did my friend's makeup. So I went to

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<v Speaker 2>a makeup counter and they hired me. An amaze at

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen years old. No experience, no none, just doing my

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<v Speaker 2>friends and being an art student. So I did. I

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<v Speaker 2>specialized in portraiture, so I'm like, if I could do

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<v Speaker 2>a flat canvas, I can certainly do a face.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go. I love that. You're like, sure I

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<v Speaker 1>can do that.

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<v Speaker 2>I got this.

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<v Speaker 1>That's one thing I learned from Johan London. She said,

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<v Speaker 1>if anybody ever offers you a position or gives you

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<v Speaker 1>an opportunity, to say yes and then figure it out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, ask for what? Does it ask for? Forgiveness not permission?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's kind of like that too. Hopefully you won't

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<v Speaker 1>have to ask for forgiveness.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it depends, depends. It was a learning curve,

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<v Speaker 2>you say.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember the exact day I looked in the mirror

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<v Speaker 1>and thought, hi, mom, it caught me off guard. Aging

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<v Speaker 1>is a privilege. Can you describe that moment for me,

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<v Speaker 1>because I've had that moment too.

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<v Speaker 2>I just remember waking up one day and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I've lost my mom about seven years ago. Sorry, oh

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<v Speaker 2>thank you, And I just remember looking one day and

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<v Speaker 2>just saying, oh, there she is and I was like, hi, mom,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was like, yeah, awesome to see her, but

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<v Speaker 2>also like shocking. And I have this like mirror next

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<v Speaker 2>to my bed that every now and I just wake

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<v Speaker 2>up and I look at it and I'm like, what

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<v Speaker 2>is that? And it's just like the face that you

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<v Speaker 2>know is not the face that you see. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>a really weird thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It is weird, but it is just what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I always say it's not a good or

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<v Speaker 2>bad thing, but it's a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a thing. Let's all take a moment for the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I think that we go through it and

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<v Speaker 2>we're all told like, well, just accept it, and it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, obviously we have to accept it, but we

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<v Speaker 2>are allowed to feel a kind of way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're allowed to have your feelings around.

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<v Speaker 2>It, for sure. So I'm always like when that happens,

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<v Speaker 2>tell them Eric is at high and I got you.

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<v Speaker 1>But also, you know, you don't have to just accept

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<v Speaker 1>it because you are the master of changing things with makeup.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, and that's the magic of makeup, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's and it's not you know, people say it's

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<v Speaker 2>a catfish. Well, it's wearing a nice dress. A catfish

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<v Speaker 2>is wearing a nice fitted suit a catfish. Now we're

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<v Speaker 2>we're putting ourselves together and our best foot forward. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>But if I always thought to myself, if I can

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<v Speaker 2>manipulate a face from a flat surface from a canvas

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<v Speaker 2>and give that dimension, why can't I manipulate our faces

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<v Speaker 2>into a dimension that we want.

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<v Speaker 1>You have so many masterful like tips and tricks, which

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<v Speaker 1>I love so good. I was just looking at your

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram thinking I need a lot more time on my

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<v Speaker 1>hand so I can learn everything you're talking about here.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's like in a nutshell. And even when

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<v Speaker 2>I say like dimension, I mean like volume, right, meaning

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, artistically, like manipulating light. Right. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>like if you just do whatever you're doing, just pick

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<v Speaker 2>everything up like a half inch.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a good way. I think that should be

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<v Speaker 1>the name of your next book.

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<v Speaker 2>Picking up my half inch for so many things.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh god, you and I, whenever we're getting together,

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<v Speaker 1>we're trouble. I knew that from the first time.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I know it again fresh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, but you you also talk a lot about on

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<v Speaker 1>your Instagram about great drug store options for makeup and skincare.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's so confusing. Oh my god, there's so many choices.

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<v Speaker 1>What we need you to really help us know which

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<v Speaker 1>ones to choose. So give us some of your favorite

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<v Speaker 1>drug store things that are not only good for our skin,

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<v Speaker 1>but well, you know, give us the look of like.

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<v Speaker 2>High end yes. And it's hard because there are so

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<v Speaker 2>many options, and I think drug store really struggles with

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<v Speaker 2>foundations for us. I will say that's probably the most

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<v Speaker 2>challenging is concealers and foundations. I will say one of

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<v Speaker 2>my favorite drug stores is the Loreal Loomy Laglow tint Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>She's like a cross between a tinted moisturizer and a

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<v Speaker 2>foundation with loomy GLOTIONI mixed in. So that's definitely one

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<v Speaker 2>of my favorite which approved vibes that it gives coverage,

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<v Speaker 2>get rid of the roseation of the redness with a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of glow. And I also to say another

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<v Speaker 2>Loreal og fave of mine is the eye serum. People

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<v Speaker 2>forget about the eye serum, like you gotta protect the

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<v Speaker 2>eyelid top end bottom, top hand bottom top three sixty

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<v Speaker 2>sixty half.

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<v Speaker 1>Orbital three hundred and sixty degree orbital.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because Alla worried about this, but this is a

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<v Speaker 2>whole other situation.

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<v Speaker 1>As you meets love too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because the shadows will look creepy, things will look

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<v Speaker 2>dusty if we're not handling like a little love there too,

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<v Speaker 2>the old new situations.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so fun. But you know what Loreal comes through.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, for since in high school, for me, it

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<v Speaker 2>was always like kind of like you don't have your eyeliner,

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<v Speaker 2>grab Loreal, so you know, and I feel like Lorielle

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<v Speaker 2>kind of focuses on the ladies of a certain age

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<v Speaker 2>as well.

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<v Speaker 1>You say in your book that you weren't afraid to

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<v Speaker 1>on the moms, and you know.

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<v Speaker 2>What, so many makeup artists were. I remember explain that

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<v Speaker 2>to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Why, Okay, mom's doesn't mean you're you just had your

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<v Speaker 1>first kid. It means like you're old or older and

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<v Speaker 1>your kids are grown up?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that mom? Forty plus?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Like that kind of mom. So here's the thing. There

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<v Speaker 2>is a different textual situation to the skin. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to say it like really candid. The first time

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<v Speaker 2>I touched mature eyelid, I was like, why is it moving?

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<v Speaker 2>It was like the shadow wouldn't stick. I was like

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<v Speaker 2>I would lift the I would like lift it, do

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<v Speaker 2>the shadow drop it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, oh my god, you know you're

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<v Speaker 1>getting older when the makeup artist has to lift your

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<v Speaker 1>lid to put your eyeliner on, or when you have

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<v Speaker 1>to do it, yeah, because you can't. You can't get

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<v Speaker 1>the line because it's like it's like drags, it flaps,

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<v Speaker 1>it drags and it moves.

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<v Speaker 2>My daughter was like, why does it wiggle when you

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<v Speaker 2>touch it? So I remember being like, okay, first of all,

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<v Speaker 2>it's dryer, the shadow won't stick, it's dusting off, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was a different texture. But as an artist and

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<v Speaker 2>a troubleshooter, I was like, all right, we got this.

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<v Speaker 2>But I also learned that mom had the money to spend.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you made mom happy, she also bought for

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<v Speaker 2>herself and the daughter. This is true or son whoever

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<v Speaker 2>was there, Right, Mom.

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<v Speaker 1>Buys, Mom always buys.

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<v Speaker 2>Got the card. Everyone buys.

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<v Speaker 1>So what did you learn as far as like how

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<v Speaker 1>to take care of the moms in a better way

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<v Speaker 1>other than lifting her flapper up hydration?

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<v Speaker 2>She'd lift her flapper hydration and it was about, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so if your lid's here, I pick it up. I

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<v Speaker 2>do the shadow. Then I drop it it falls. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's why I discovered the over the river through the hood.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, what over the river? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, over the river through the wood.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>My song with my ADHD brain like over the river

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<v Speaker 2>through the hood. So to lift it eyes we go,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god. It was like let it resting, beeface

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<v Speaker 2>and compensate by going higher like a sunrise. So I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, Okay, we can still do the same thing,

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<v Speaker 2>but we just have to get on the same like

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<v Speaker 2>playing field.

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<v Speaker 1>So make sure you're going over the overhang.

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<v Speaker 2>Over the hang hang with the eyeshot, yes, and you

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<v Speaker 2>have to go a little darker on the hang to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like make it look less hangy.

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<v Speaker 1>These are all very technical terms, you guys, so right, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Speak the common vernacular of people's.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh. So you share Yeah, you've shared that

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<v Speaker 1>story in your book about your daughter. She said, why

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<v Speaker 1>does your eyeshot? Why does your eyelid move like that?

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<v Speaker 1>I can remember when I was younger and I would

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<v Speaker 1>go like this to my Grandma's hand and it would

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<v Speaker 1>like stay up and then it would take a really

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<v Speaker 1>long time when I let it go to like go

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<v Speaker 1>back down.

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<v Speaker 2>But ours do it now and also the back of

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<v Speaker 2>the hands that you say that when we're testing like

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<v Speaker 2>concealer and foundation, that's the closest thing to this.

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<v Speaker 1>This the skin on the back of our hands is

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<v Speaker 1>the closest skin to our under our eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't have sabaceous glands. Neither does our under eye area.

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<v Speaker 2>So when you test concealer, people will say test it

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<v Speaker 2>here on your lines, but no, for us, test it here.

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<v Speaker 2>If it looks dry on this guess where it's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>look dry.

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<v Speaker 1>Right here, Eric, everything's gonna look dry on these hands.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, if it looks hydrating on this hand, it's a winner.

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<v Speaker 2>I bet you the acosmetic shirtin face bomb will look better.

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<v Speaker 2>Will look hydrating on this hand better?

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<v Speaker 1>It really does. Okay, that makes sense. So now I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna put the bomb on my hands. Not a problem

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<v Speaker 1>at all. You've a test.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's see, she got a little sheen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. When you were working on the Moms though, I'm curious,

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<v Speaker 1>did that kind of change your perspective or you're sort

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<v Speaker 1>of like connect between self care and you know, seeing

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<v Speaker 1>women not choosing themselves, Like, did it change kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like how you speak to them or guide them?

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<v Speaker 2>Seeing the moment, the mom felt beautiful again, and she

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<v Speaker 2>got a light back in her eye and she could

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<v Speaker 2>get emotional, and it was almost like, and that's why

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<v Speaker 2>I say, we don't have to handle our pretty down.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember the moms being like, no, it's her turn.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about her now. It's not about me anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>No no, no, no, no no.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, But was like, why can't it be about both

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<v Speaker 2>of you? So what I would do the moms, and

0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:35.360
<v Speaker 2>the moms felt luminous and pretty again. I remember someone

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<v Speaker 2>would cry. They would I would just cover an under

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<v Speaker 2>eye that they hadn't seen for a while and teach

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<v Speaker 2>them a trick, and they were like, I look so good.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was really like I had to cry and

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<v Speaker 2>hug me, and it was just such an emotional moment.

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<v Speaker 2>And I realized that it was a point that you

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<v Speaker 2>start caring for your family and you stop remembering you.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so true. I can remember myself remember when my

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<v Speaker 1>girls like started to become like really like pretty teenage girls,

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<v Speaker 1>and I thought, oh, okay, well it's it's fair time. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm good. I'll just stand back here and let

0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:16.040
<v Speaker 1>them shine and be so happy for them. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>need it, Yeah, I don't need to feel good or

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<v Speaker 1>need the attention or.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I feel like society made us feel like

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<v Speaker 2>we have to hand it down, like you have to

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<v Speaker 2>hand it, almost like passing the crown, where men were

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<v Speaker 2>getting like debonair and we were handing it down and

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<v Speaker 2>then we get replaced for newer models. Oh, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>crazy thing. It's a crazy, crazy society thing. And I

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<v Speaker 2>just feel like that's how we're all trained. And the

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<v Speaker 2>moment watching her eyes light up, when she was like, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>I look so beautiful. I feel good again. I had

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<v Speaker 2>allowed myself to feel that and that was an AHA

0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:56.920
<v Speaker 2>moment until it happened, you know, And now I know

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<v Speaker 2>because I've been there too.

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<v Speaker 1>There's such that fear of of women for women as

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<v Speaker 1>we age, the fear of becoming invisible or disappear.

0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:11.240
<v Speaker 2>We disappear, and it's a real thing. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>we're made to feel like almost we should feel guilty,

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<v Speaker 2>to feel a kind of way or almost we feel

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<v Speaker 2>guilty when we want to still be glamorous. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think times are a change.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they are. Thank goodness, so happy it is happening

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<v Speaker 1>in my lifetime.

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<v Speaker 2>Get to watch it, We get to be a part

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<v Speaker 2>of it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. For a woman that's reading your book or

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<v Speaker 1>listening to this podcast who feels like she is lost

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<v Speaker 1>in the cycle of work and kids and responsibilities, what

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<v Speaker 1>is the single most important mental shift she can make

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<v Speaker 1>today to start choosing herself again. As far as how

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<v Speaker 1>you see.

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<v Speaker 2>It, I mean, we're still allowed to play dress up. Yeah,

0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:55.280
<v Speaker 2>We're still allowed to have cheap parties. We're still allowed

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<v Speaker 2>to be girls. You know. I just think remember that

0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:01.040
<v Speaker 2>was a part of dressing up and going out with

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<v Speaker 2>your friends in your twenties. What was the best part

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<v Speaker 2>getting ready.

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<v Speaker 1>To get ready?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was the best part, being your friend's house,

0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:10.200
<v Speaker 2>drinking glass wine, getting ready, and that was like before

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<v Speaker 2>a wedding, what's the best part doing your makeup with

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<v Speaker 2>your bridesmaids or you know, all of that glamour part. Like,

0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:19.160
<v Speaker 2>we're still allowed to do that, And I think I

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<v Speaker 2>want to make makeup fun again. I want to make

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<v Speaker 2>getting ready and dressing up fun again and not lose

0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:30.000
<v Speaker 2>that magic that it once was. And it became scary

0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:33.000
<v Speaker 2>and it became intimidating because the things we were doing

0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:36.240
<v Speaker 2>on our face weren't working anymore. M h.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that like, uh, you don't remember that. Look. I

0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:43.280
<v Speaker 1>used towear it in the late eighties maybe even the nineties,

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<v Speaker 1>like eyeliner all the way around, the eyeball.

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<v Speaker 2>Whole thing, whole thing, and then remember the shadow. We

0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:51.400
<v Speaker 2>all did it, the light, the dark, the light, the

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<v Speaker 2>windshield wiper, the wiper.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, we all did it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I taught it to you in the nineties. You

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean. I was there at a mac

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<v Speaker 2>counter like, yes, a harder V do it?

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<v Speaker 1>What's the difference now? When you put on your eyeshadow, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Would think of it like I would say, think of

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<v Speaker 2>it like a sunrise, like a gradual just like dark

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<v Speaker 2>fading up to light or even sometimes like the one

0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:23.600
<v Speaker 2>shadow express. But I think it's like and I have

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<v Speaker 2>it on, it's just kind of like fading it up,

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<v Speaker 2>no harsh edges, just like up and out to accentuate

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<v Speaker 2>and lift.

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<v Speaker 1>It is really hard when you're putting your own makeup

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<v Speaker 1>on to not get that harsh edge at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of like your dark eyeshadow that you're trying.

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<v Speaker 2>To muscle memory. Yeah, you want to do it, huh uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you want to do it so bad, But when you

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<v Speaker 2>kind of go up and out if you cut. If

0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:48.680
<v Speaker 2>you do that dark edge, you can kind of stop

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<v Speaker 2>your eye right there. But if you go up and out,

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<v Speaker 2>it's accentuating things in an outward direction.

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<v Speaker 1>But important note for that is the blending brush.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, blending brush a soft rush and just the tip.

0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:08.119
<v Speaker 1>Why not the whole brush?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, I've seen clients over the years digging

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<v Speaker 2>their whole brush in like uh too, which looks like this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's too much, and then you go to put the

0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:20.600
<v Speaker 2>shadow on and it's everywhere, and now you can't clean

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<v Speaker 2>that up. So it's better to end. And the reason

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<v Speaker 2>I say just the tip is a of course it's funny,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gen X, but I really mean it because if

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<v Speaker 2>you're using just the tip of your products, you'll never

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<v Speaker 2>have too much.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's better to build than to have to start

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<v Speaker 1>over or take away. Taking away is really yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Watch city, there's no nothing is good when you start

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<v Speaker 2>to take away.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, have you felt that though? I mean, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know why. I look at you and I think you're

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<v Speaker 1>younger than me. I don't even know. I think you

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<v Speaker 1>might be few years younger. I'm fifty four, well a

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<v Speaker 1>few years so I'll be fifty this year.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, my gosh, Okay, I'm jumping in.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just so excited for you. It's the best ever.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like your twenties all over again.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm ready to be a crazy old cat lady and

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<v Speaker 2>just yell at people on my lawn. I'm ready.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have to do that just because you turn fifty.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just like, oh, you know what, I don't understand

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<v Speaker 2>it now because now that I'm turning fifty, I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like I care less about what other people think. And

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<v Speaker 2>I remember, I know how you can become an eighty

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<v Speaker 2>year old and like get off my loan, Like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>care what people think anymore. And it's kind of super liberating.

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<v Speaker 1>It really is, it really is. But there's a balance still.

0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:30.200
<v Speaker 1>I think, like we have to we have to care

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit about what people think, as it pertains

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<v Speaker 1>to like how we're self sort of regulating how we

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<v Speaker 1>show up, you know what I mean. Like it's not

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<v Speaker 1>an opportunity to just go falls to the wall and

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<v Speaker 1>bee like say whatever comes to your mind, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you have.

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<v Speaker 2>To have empathy and I think, you know, care for others.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I wish that would go I wish that could

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<v Speaker 1>go as too. You could just literally say whatever comes

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<v Speaker 1>to your mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know what? I always say that empathy is

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<v Speaker 2>my biggest strength but also my biggest weakness. But because

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I have an open, bleeding heart and

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<v Speaker 2>I can definitely get taken advantage of easily. But I

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<v Speaker 2>also love that about me because if someone does take advantage,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe it's their karma and not mine. But you know,

0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:18.600
<v Speaker 2>kindness can be taken for weakness.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, but that's not the case with you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to hope not. But there are there are,

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<v Speaker 2>there are some.

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<v Speaker 1>Here pretty strong. I feel strong.

0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:32.040
<v Speaker 2>I can definitely be. I can definitely, I can definitely.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a bleeding heart. Yeah, I got a bleeding heart.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to help everybody? Would you say a bleeding

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<v Speaker 1>heart is different than a people pleaser?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, because I'm not a people pleaser at all. But

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<v Speaker 2>if you come at me and you pull at my

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<v Speaker 2>heart strings, You'll get me. Oh man, Yeah, you'll get me.

0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:54.040
<v Speaker 2>If you're like I need this and I need that,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>But can you tell when someone is intentionally playing with you,

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<v Speaker 1>like pulling at your heart strings to get something cool?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe that maybe in your fifties.

0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:09.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and my kids are even like MA, tell tell.

0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:11.879
<v Speaker 1>Everybody where you where you live, Tell everybody where you

0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:12.440
<v Speaker 1>come from.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, Ma, that person just wants your money. I'm like,

0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:16.760
<v Speaker 2>but maybe they don't. Maybe they just eat Hell.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, you're from New York. What what area?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Queen's originally?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we talked about that. I think we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>that because I spent a lot of time in Queens.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we did talk about that, Yes, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And that Queen's is different now than it used to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, totally. I mean there's still elements that totally changed.

0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:42.440
<v Speaker 1>Maybe yeah, you never Yeah, it's got to be both

0:20:42.560 --> 0:20:48.359
<v Speaker 1>both ways. I think you've served in the industry. I

0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:53.160
<v Speaker 1>say served because you've served women over thirty years now,

0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:57.200
<v Speaker 1>and you know, often they're women are our women are stretched,

0:20:57.240 --> 0:21:00.960
<v Speaker 1>they're exhausted, they're dead, lacks on their own.

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<v Speaker 2>To do list, sometimes angry.

0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:05.159
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes they're angry because of it.

0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:09.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it was I would just disarm them with niceness,

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<v Speaker 2>with being kind, Like I feel like they're so ready,

0:21:11.640 --> 0:21:15.400
<v Speaker 2>they were always so ready to fight. And not everyone

0:21:15.520 --> 0:21:18.680
<v Speaker 2>some lovely, some are scared to ask for help. Some

0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:22.040
<v Speaker 2>because they never put themselves first, they're embarrassed. It's almost

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<v Speaker 2>like if you don't know how to do makeup. You

0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:28.280
<v Speaker 2>weren't you know, given your woman card, right, And then

0:21:28.359 --> 0:21:32.080
<v Speaker 2>there's others that are like, just hurry up. And then

0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:36.080
<v Speaker 2>when you disarm, they're just like, oh, okay, I can

0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:39.080
<v Speaker 2>just relax and not everyone wants to fight with me.

0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:42.959
<v Speaker 1>Right, Nobody's gonna argue with me about this? Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>love that. Do you have you reached a point like

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<v Speaker 1>a burnout point, or a conversation, or just a moment

0:21:47.960 --> 0:21:50.520
<v Speaker 1>where you realize that you had been doing the same thing,

0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:55.399
<v Speaker 1>like putting everybody else before your own knees, putting yourself last.

0:21:56.119 --> 0:21:57.960
<v Speaker 2>I think it was when I really struggled when I

0:21:57.960 --> 0:22:01.840
<v Speaker 2>had my kids were really young, and I executive and cosmetics,

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<v Speaker 2>and I always showed up. And I had three young

0:22:04.280 --> 0:22:06.280
<v Speaker 2>kids and I would always show up, and I would

0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:08.919
<v Speaker 2>feel like it was more like my teams that worked

0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:12.480
<v Speaker 2>for me and with me, I was like, why am

0:22:12.520 --> 0:22:14.480
<v Speaker 2>I always showing up? And I make sure you have

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<v Speaker 2>your days off and I make sure you have everything

0:22:16.680 --> 0:22:19.119
<v Speaker 2>you need. I make sure, But when I need someone,

0:22:19.160 --> 0:22:22.160
<v Speaker 2>no one's showing up for me. And I remember driving

0:22:22.200 --> 0:22:23.800
<v Speaker 2>somewhere I thought I had the day off. It was

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<v Speaker 2>like Black Friday. You know, which was always like dun, dun,

0:22:27.480 --> 0:22:31.680
<v Speaker 2>dun retail. And I remember just driving to a store

0:22:31.680 --> 0:22:34.320
<v Speaker 2>in Vermont crying because the person that was supposed to go,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, they probably had like diarrhea or something

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<v Speaker 2>like just handle it, take an emmodium. And I was

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<v Speaker 2>like leaving my family and my toddlers to just go

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<v Speaker 2>cover this shift. And I just remember it was six

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<v Speaker 2>in the morning and just driving and crying, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I'm always showing up for all of you,

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<v Speaker 2>and I have three toddlers, and all you have to

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<v Speaker 2>do is just put your underwear on and get out

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<v Speaker 2>of the house, and you can't. And that was always

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<v Speaker 2>That's what kind of broke me. It wasn't the public.

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<v Speaker 2>It was I felt like I was carrying everybody in

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<v Speaker 2>my job too, and I was so tired. You're tired, tired.

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<v Speaker 2>I was so tired. I remember just my and I

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<v Speaker 2>miss my mom and I'm so tired and might have

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<v Speaker 2>to leave my kids. And I think I was just

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<v Speaker 2>retail spent.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think being forward facing with the customer can

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<v Speaker 1>do that to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And it wasn't even them. I love I miss peopling.

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<v Speaker 2>It was more that I felt like the teams that

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<v Speaker 2>worked with me didn't have my back all the time,

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<v Speaker 2>and I always felt like I had theirs, And I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I was like, I don't wear a cape,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a superwoman. I keep showing up, but I

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<v Speaker 2>need help, and I just felt like I didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>the help I need it.

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<v Speaker 1>So you just decided to do it on your own.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, If the only one you can rely on

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<v Speaker 2>is you, then let's go.

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<v Speaker 1>So amazing, amazing. Well. You could find Erica Taylor's fun

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<v Speaker 1>and informative makeup posts at Erica Taylor two three four

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<v Speaker 1>seven and her book is The Magic of Makeup, Your

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<v Speaker 1>Handbook for a Youthful, Radiant Look. But before I let

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<v Speaker 1>you go, Erica Taylor, what was your last I Choose

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<v Speaker 1>Me moment?

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<v Speaker 2>It was, I would say when I left. My biggest

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<v Speaker 2>I Choose Me moment was leaving that that retail that

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<v Speaker 2>I had kind of done for twenty seven years and

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<v Speaker 2>taking a leap of faith. And I was so scared

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<v Speaker 2>because I was like institutionalized, you know, I had done

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<v Speaker 2>the same thing, the same Hams from the wheel for

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seven years. I worked my way from a counter

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<v Speaker 2>to a regional director and I was so proud, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was so scared to leave that, but I took

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<v Speaker 2>a chance, and here we are, and now I'm talking

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<v Speaker 2>to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Never we're talking on this line.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never imagined as my teenage self watching you nine

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<v Speaker 2>o two one zero, obsessed, and you still look so

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<v Speaker 2>freaking good. I mean, gosh, thank you running in person too,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, I say.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we saw right across from one there.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I chose I chose me.

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<v Speaker 1>That's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Take a chance.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what we gotta do. We can't wait around for

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<v Speaker 1>other people to make things happen for ourselves.

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<v Speaker 2>No, we can't, because no one's gonna do it for us.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>We gotta put on our own superhero capes and go.

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<v Speaker 1>Put on your big girl panties.

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<v Speaker 2>I used to say that you put on the big

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<v Speaker 2>girl panties. Let's go.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, you're the best. Thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 1>being here.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much. I'm thrilled to be here with you.