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Speaker 1: what is up? Dolphins And welcome to the Drivetime podcast,
Speaker 1: part of the Miami Dolphins podcast Network, covering your team,
Speaker 1: your Miami Dolphins. How's it going? Everybody? I am your host,
Speaker 1: Travis Wingfield And on today's episode, the entire Dolphins podcast Network,
Speaker 1: at least the originals are here, myself, Seth Levitt, o
Speaker 1: J mcduffey. We're welcoming and the boys from the Fish
Speaker 1: Tank Podcast to talk about their episode dropping tomorrow with
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame linebacker Zach Thomas. We're gonna talk to
Speaker 1: the guys about their episode about mister Canton himself number
Speaker 1: fifty four stories of their time together here in the organization.
Speaker 1: What makes Zach a Hall of Famer in our eyes?
Speaker 1: And a heck of a lot more from the Baptist
Speaker 1: Health Studios inside the Baptist Health Training Complex. This is
Speaker 1: the Drivetime Podcast, May Gaffe Fish. Let's not waste any
Speaker 1: more time and go ahead and play my interview with
Speaker 1: Seth Levitt, Oh Jim mcduffe from The Fish Tank talking
Speaker 1: about their episode tomorrow with Zach Thomas. And for the
Speaker 1: first time in a long time, it seems like the
Speaker 1: dynamic is back, the Tripod, the Trio, the Truth, the Consigliari,
Speaker 1: Seth Levitt from the Fish Tank, my man O, j
Speaker 1: Juice McDuffie. They're back in here, diving in to Drive Time,
Speaker 1: and I'm kind of telling them free podcast recording. This
Speaker 1: is like an episode of the Fish Tank takes over
Speaker 1: Drive Time. They take the wheel if you will. And
Speaker 1: so the reason we have you guys on today, Seth
Speaker 1: and oj welcome in, by the way, is to talk
Speaker 1: about your episode dropping tomorrow here on the Fish Tank
Speaker 1: with the great Hall of Fame linebackers. It just feels
Speaker 1: great to say that it has such a ring to
Speaker 1: it doesn't. And that's it really does the gold jacket
Speaker 1: swapping out the aqua jacket for the gold jacket, at
Speaker 1: least for you wold WOA. There's no swapping bro topic topic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well sure if you want to. But it's in the
Speaker 1: distion too. So Zach will now have maybe he'll be
Speaker 1: like the parent that comes to watch, like you know,
Speaker 1: like read Ferguson's parents when they go to a Bills
Speaker 1: and Dolphins game and they were like the half read
Speaker 1: half uh Blake Ferguson jersey, and maybe him do the
Speaker 1: same thing with the golden It's interesting that that he
Speaker 1: said they're read Ferguson's parents and not Blake Ferguson. Correctly,
Speaker 1: there's something there, juice. We got to figure out what's
Speaker 1: going on with that. We gotta dig in, dive in.
Speaker 1: There's something going on. But yes, absolutely he has access
Speaker 1: to both. Now we're starting off at cruising altitude here
Speaker 1: on this. You handed us the keys saying, hey, put
Speaker 1: on whatever song about the radio right and like it right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got it. The entire reason we have the fish
Speaker 1: tank here today is talking about this upcoming episode. Was
Speaker 1: Zach Thomas you guys killed the Rashaw Jones episode last
Speaker 1: week two weeks ago, was it? Yeah? Being about two
Speaker 1: weeks now, great episode with him, and you guys are
Speaker 1: just kind of killing it right now. So I wanted
Speaker 1: to get you on here to talk about this episode,
Speaker 1: and um, I guess I want to go here first,
Speaker 1: and I'll throw it to you first because you played
Speaker 1: with him, Juice, And then I want to get Zach.
Speaker 1: I want to get sets perspective after that, because the
Speaker 1: whole idea behind this is the three of us offer
Speaker 1: unique perspectives and the way we cover the team always,
Speaker 1: but with this player in particular, with Zach Thomas in particular,
Speaker 1: I think the perspectives could not be more different but
Speaker 1: also better when they come together. So the players perspective
Speaker 1: a teammate's perspective, Juice, when you think about Zach Thomas,
Speaker 1: what comes to mind for you? I'll tell you what. Man.
Speaker 1: Zach and My relationship goes way back before he became
Speaker 1: a dolphin. You know. I saw Zach dominate my Penn
Speaker 1: State Nitney Lions and you know, and a close lost
Speaker 1: you know, up in Happy Valley. But then of course
Speaker 1: I got a chance to meet him personally when he
Speaker 1: made Walter Camp All American and um, you know, and
Speaker 1: that was that was special. I think the fact that
Speaker 1: this humble linebacker, you know, who's always been considered undersized
Speaker 1: and didn't have the speed as maybe Walter Camp All American,
Speaker 1: which is you know, the top eschelon of college All American,
Speaker 1: you know, honors, and he still was at the humility
Speaker 1: that he still came in that room with. When you
Speaker 1: considering all the guys that were there, it's only like
Speaker 1: like one and eath each position. He was one of
Speaker 1: those guys. And so that that relationship right there, that's
Speaker 1: when it really started. Man. He and me and KEJOHNA. Carter,
Speaker 1: we spent a whole weekend together. We had a really
Speaker 1: you had a really good time. And sure enough, man,
Speaker 1: it was just amazing. When he was drafted by the
Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins, he was coming to South Florida and being
Speaker 1: one of my teammates, I knew what kind of player
Speaker 1: he was. And I'm gonna tell you what, how else,
Speaker 1: So I knew what type of player was when I
Speaker 1: talked about Zack a couple of weeks ago when he
Speaker 1: made the Hall of probably months ago. Now I think
Speaker 1: it is when he made the Hall of Fame. I
Speaker 1: had some teammates or guys that played at Penn State
Speaker 1: like hit me up on the side, and they were like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: I remember Zack like it was yesterday. You know. He
Speaker 1: beat up on a couple of guards of ours that
Speaker 1: were first round draft picks. You know, he had twenty
Speaker 1: some tackles and they were like, yo, man, about time
Speaker 1: they got him in. You know, so I already knew
Speaker 1: what type of player he was. Then I got a
Speaker 1: chance to know what type of person he was. And
Speaker 1: those a couple of other encounters, you know, when we
Speaker 1: got a chance to go out and hang out. Man.
Speaker 1: So what really sticks out to me is now how
Speaker 1: good he was, but how home we was and being
Speaker 1: so great. That's That's one of the things that is
Speaker 1: consistent that you hear about Zach is the way that
Speaker 1: the people that played with him or worked around him
Speaker 1: spoke about him in the way you just did. Oj
Speaker 1: who was the guy you had on the fish tank. Recently,
Speaker 1: seth who talked about the process of voting him in
Speaker 1: and Patrick Willis's comments that really pushed that over the
Speaker 1: goal line. What episode was? Jason Cole shared that story Jason,
Speaker 1: you know, who covered Zach both from Miami Harold perspective
Speaker 1: and the Sun Sentinel perspective. But he's one of the
Speaker 1: selectors that is part of that process and certainly advocated
Speaker 1: for Zach, and he shared that story. Joe Horrigan was
Speaker 1: also on from the Hall of Fame recently, but he
Speaker 1: didn't want to share any details from the room, but
Speaker 1: did feel that his time was coming as well. It's
Speaker 1: I mean the Kevin Mawi speech, the Peyton Manning. I
Speaker 1: wrote an article about, you know, Zach Thomas makes the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame like five years ago that I wound
Speaker 1: up repurposing over the years because I thought he would
Speaker 1: be getting in each year. It just kind of just happened.
Speaker 1: But you get those testimonies that are they're just like
Speaker 1: uniform across the board. Everyone has the exact same thing
Speaker 1: to say about him in different ways, but the ultimate
Speaker 1: goal or the ultimate I guess arriving point is is
Speaker 1: all the same. So the same question to you, Big
Speaker 1: Seth is someone that worked closely with Zach and you
Speaker 1: know the PR department and obviously you know coach him
Speaker 1: through media and just was were around him so often.
Speaker 1: What do you think about when when you think about
Speaker 1: Zach Thomas, oh Man, there's so much to think about.
Speaker 1: I'm juice is right. The humility for sure, um and
Speaker 1: all the on field stuff that I imagine we'll talk
Speaker 1: about here in this podcast, but just you know Zach's character,
Speaker 1: he was he was such a unique individual because it's
Speaker 1: like he the more you dug into it, he actually
Speaker 1: came from a family that that was successful. You know,
Speaker 1: mister Thomas is very successful, but Zach never carried himself
Speaker 1: as someone that was a loofer, came from you know,
Speaker 1: the country club living or what have you. Um. So
Speaker 1: he really did seem like someone that was from humble beginnings,
Speaker 1: even though in a lot of ways that wasn't the case.
Speaker 1: Certainly that he is Texas through and through, you know,
Speaker 1: there's no two ways about that. Um. But the thing
Speaker 1: that stands out the most to me was, you know,
Speaker 1: you'll you'll hear throughout the episode Tomorrow preparation. He talks
Speaker 1: about his prep, his prep, and that extends far beyond
Speaker 1: the football field. It didn't matter what he was doing
Speaker 1: in life. He never wanted to be unprepared. He never
Speaker 1: wanted to be embarrassed. You know, it was important to
Speaker 1: him that he was, that he gave respect, that he
Speaker 1: that he got respect, and he wanted to make sure
Speaker 1: that no matter what he's doing in life, whether he's
Speaker 1: sitting down with the fish tank, whether he's, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: gonna well there's a lot of fun stories, whether he's
Speaker 1: gonna show up for a charity event, or certainly whether
Speaker 1: he was on Sundays in front of the whole world
Speaker 1: and doing the thing that he loved to do the most.
Speaker 1: He wanted to make sure that he was prepared and
Speaker 1: that you got the best version of Zach Thomas you
Speaker 1: could possibly get. And I think that stands out to
Speaker 1: me more than anything else. I that's why fans appreciate
Speaker 1: him so much, and again to provide that fans perspective
Speaker 1: and you guys were too as well, but just you know,
Speaker 1: from someone that didn't know him and just only knew
Speaker 1: him as the player. Like, you can't control your talent level, right,
Speaker 1: but you can't control the way you prepare and the
Speaker 1: way you get yourself ready for games. And that's I
Speaker 1: appreciate that because you maximize what you can control. What
Speaker 1: more can you do? That's literally putting your best foot
Speaker 1: forward and juice, you know, I keep hearing that again.
Speaker 1: I talked about my why I talked about Peyton Manning.
Speaker 1: You guys both mentioned the preparation, also the humility. But
Speaker 1: I'm curious, Juice, if you can like remember back to
Speaker 1: practicing against this dude, because you know, we just signed
Speaker 1: David Long and I'm watching clips of David Long call
Speaker 1: out plays like that. That's like, that's what Zach did.
Speaker 1: That was that's what made great middle linebacker play for
Speaker 1: Zach for so long. I'm curious how tough it was
Speaker 1: to practice against this dude because I have to imagine
Speaker 1: he's doing the same stuff in the practice field. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what, He'll tell you a story. Man. I
Speaker 1: turnt him up a little bit at the beginning, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, because it's easy at the beginning to get
Speaker 1: these aggressive young linebacker that want to make a play
Speaker 1: every time, you know what I mean. So when I'm
Speaker 1: running a little sluggo or you know, a stutter crosser,
Speaker 1: things like that, I can get him at the beginning,
Speaker 1: but you can you're not gonna full him more than twice,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? You know fully one thing
Speaker 1: about him fully twice, you know. So it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: how it is man, So I got him a couple
Speaker 1: of times. He actually talked about that a little bit,
Speaker 1: But after that it was impossible because honestly, once you
Speaker 1: beat him like that, once he sees somebody else get
Speaker 1: beat like that, that's when he goes back into the
Speaker 1: lab and figure out, okay, when when he did this,
Speaker 1: it's about alignment and assignment and then how you know,
Speaker 1: how he aligns. He knows what's coming a lot of time,
Speaker 1: you know. And that's one thing about Zach that I
Speaker 1: learned right away. So being the guy that I was
Speaker 1: at that position, you know, a little higher on the
Speaker 1: food chain when it came to Miami Dolphins at that point,
Speaker 1: he wasn't gonna knock my head off, but he'll let
Speaker 1: me know that. Oh I got him here, juice, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And you started seeing that come
Speaker 1: around or as you know, no matter what we ran
Speaker 1: and a lot of times as harder as an offense
Speaker 1: going against your own defense too to be successful. He
Speaker 1: started to realize what we were running and he knew that,
Speaker 1: you know, I have a way of stopping this guy.
Speaker 1: But you also saw that, you know, every single time
Speaker 1: his will's returning, he was learning and then you weren't
Speaker 1: going to beat him on the same thing again because
Speaker 1: that's how they that's the adjustments that Zach made, and
Speaker 1: that's where you know, you look at now. You talk
Speaker 1: about where he's at now, and Stef talked about being prepared,
Speaker 1: I mean his film prep. I mean that was part
Speaker 1: of it in practice way back then as a rookie,
Speaker 1: and then you can continued on through his whole illustrious career.
Speaker 1: That's I mean, that's the number one thing to teach rookie.
Speaker 1: He's right, don't make the same mistake twice. And for
Speaker 1: a guy that was drafted in the fifth round, like
Speaker 1: it's it's tough to win Rookie of the Year in general,
Speaker 1: but to do it as a fifth round draft picks,
Speaker 1: it's almost seems impossible because you have the fanfare for
Speaker 1: those early round draft picks and you mentioned, you know,
Speaker 1: the preparation and kind of being a guy that would
Speaker 1: you know, juice, you ran some many routes over the middle,
Speaker 1: and you had to contend with the Ray Lewis's and
Speaker 1: the Brian Urlockers, and luckily not Zach Thomas because you
Speaker 1: were on his team. But we saw him have that
Speaker 1: impact earlier. Was it was his first career game against
Speaker 1: the Patriots when he had a big knockout shot to
Speaker 1: force a fumble. Was it was that game one of
Speaker 1: his career. He gets what I'm talking about. Absolutely, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we did. We talk about that in the podcast, and it's, uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was definitely that. It was, you know, welcome to
Speaker 1: the NFL moment for Zach, but also like, damn, I'm
Speaker 1: in the NFL for the Sun Jefferson, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah. So, but you know that's the thing
Speaker 1: about it, man. I mean, you talked about Zach being
Speaker 1: a fifth round pick, but he was a first round
Speaker 1: talent in my opinion. You know, his fifth round status
Speaker 1: was only because you know, they were talking about the
Speaker 1: size and his speed and things like that, but his
Speaker 1: talent was definitely first round talent. It's it's funny because
Speaker 1: one of the debates I find myself and on Twitter,
Speaker 1: maybe even in my own head, because I don't really
Speaker 1: put it much on Twitter anymore, at least in terms
Speaker 1: of arguing, is about like this modern idea of like
Speaker 1: the only way you can be great at football is
Speaker 1: to be huge, fast and strong, But like being good
Speaker 1: at football goes a long way to being good at
Speaker 1: football as well. And I think Zach really exemple as that.
Speaker 1: You know, I'd love to hear more about. You guys
Speaker 1: talked about this, uh that big hit on the podcast
Speaker 1: here seth Well, we did so we Uh. One of
Speaker 1: the things we wanted to talk to Zach about was
Speaker 1: moments on field, moments that stood out to us like
Speaker 1: our quintessential defining Zach Thomas moments. And one of the
Speaker 1: two of us identified that, which is it's fascinating in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways because it is one of the
Speaker 1: first memories people have of Zach Thomas, at least once
Speaker 1: the regular season started. It was his birthday, you know,
Speaker 1: September first, that game took place. That was his birthday.
Speaker 1: It was his first NFL start, his first NFL game,
Speaker 1: and uh, and it really kind of set the tone
Speaker 1: for what the next thirteen fourteen years of his career
Speaker 1: would be an ultimately a Hall of Fame career. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: you got me thinking about the moments that I did
Speaker 1: s down at the most in my mind. So one
Speaker 1: of you guys picked that one. You're not going to
Speaker 1: reveal it right now. We got to leave something for that.
Speaker 1: That's what, right right. The two came to mind right away.
Speaker 1: Number one, I've talked about it before is that two
Speaker 1: thousand and five season opened against the Broncos, he made
Speaker 1: like three out of four plays in a row on
Speaker 1: the goal line to get a goal line stand, and
Speaker 1: JT actually had the other one. So it's like that
Speaker 1: was you know, I told we talked about all the time, Seth.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Rashad Jones episode of my Golden Era of
Speaker 1: watching Dolphins football, Like, those two guys making an entire
Speaker 1: goal line stop was awesome for me. But they also
Speaker 1: had a game the following year in two thousand and
Speaker 1: six against the Jets on Christmas, and he had another
Speaker 1: big hit on Lavernius Coals that got the defense off
Speaker 1: the field too, So it's those would be it because
Speaker 1: he had big hits in both of those And again
Speaker 1: for a guy that was what did he play at?
Speaker 1: Like like five ten, like two twenty what do you
Speaker 1: know what he said? I think he would want five eleven.
Speaker 1: I think Zach were here, disrespectful, but yeah, he would
Speaker 1: probably want five eleven. Yeah, probably two twenty five, two
Speaker 1: thirty right, Shoosh sent you. If you go back and
Speaker 1: look at pictures of Zach from when he arrived here
Speaker 1: as a rookie to by the end of his career,
Speaker 1: just the way his body changed and you know, he
Speaker 1: leaned out. And I think what the expectation and was
Speaker 1: of a linebacker playing at Texas Tech, you know, in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety five, was compared to someone who learned how
Speaker 1: to take care of himself, which is also something he
Speaker 1: talked about that his prep wasn't just film prep, but
Speaker 1: it was what could he do to make his body um,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, to last longer, to heal quicker,
Speaker 1: to be as efficient as he possibly could be. We
Speaker 1: love to joke with him about his flexibility. We didn't
Speaker 1: talk about his flexibility, but yeah, he like he couldn't
Speaker 1: touch his toes when he got Now I'm saying that
Speaker 1: I can't. Yeah, God, I wish jokes aren't his fun
Speaker 1: when he isn't here. But we're gonna have to make
Speaker 1: sure we send this to him. I wouldn't say that
Speaker 1: in space, Oh I would. I would definitely, But that's
Speaker 1: the relationship. So that's another side of the act that
Speaker 1: I think people don't know unless you know him, right.
Speaker 1: If you know, you know, as they say, But he
Speaker 1: is the ultimate jokester man. He he loves cracking on
Speaker 1: people and being cracked on, and he you know everything
Speaker 1: about him, which I think is part of why he
Speaker 1: was so popular within the low room. You know, if
Speaker 1: you if you say, okay, here's a guy who comes
Speaker 1: from a successful family, and you know, and and and
Speaker 1: became an immediate starter and a venteran got cut and
Speaker 1: if he was kind of aloof and just thought about
Speaker 1: himself and he just disappears after practice and goes and
Speaker 1: hides in his hyperbarick chamber, and he wouldn't have been
Speaker 1: the team leader. He would have been a great player regardless,
Speaker 1: but he wouldn't have been the team leader. But I
Speaker 1: think the reason part of the reason why he was
Speaker 1: so beloved by his teammates above and beyond his talent,
Speaker 1: because all the guys love people who could play, because
Speaker 1: you're you know, everybody's in it. You know, you want
Speaker 1: to win, and you're helping everybody win and make money
Speaker 1: and achieve their goals. But as as Juice has set
Speaker 1: off on the fish tank, he loved to be able
Speaker 1: to hang out with the defensive guys and fit in
Speaker 1: with the defensive guys just as much as he could
Speaker 1: with the quarterbacks and receivers, and Zach was that guy.
Speaker 1: Everybody loves Zach no matter where you were in that
Speaker 1: locker room, from special teams to the linebacker sitting next
Speaker 1: to him and everything in between. And he's just constant jokes,
Speaker 1: good times, loves a good party. I can only imagine
Speaker 1: what his post in Shriman's speech celebration is going to be,
Speaker 1: Like Juice us, he's warned us a little bit because
Speaker 1: the crypt walk will come out. Yeah, So he he
Speaker 1: is just a fun loving guy in addition to somebody
Speaker 1: that took his craft very, very seriously. That's the best
Speaker 1: of both worlds. I mean, it reminds me of like
Speaker 1: Coach McDaniel in the way that he has this persona
Speaker 1: that's so, you know, so approachable, but when you get
Speaker 1: down to it, the dude's a xes and no savant.
Speaker 1: It's it's a good company to be in. I'm curious
Speaker 1: because the way you talk about it sounds like it
Speaker 1: was immediate in terms of him kind of making the
Speaker 1: defense his and so I guess I would pose the
Speaker 1: question to Juice, how long did it take for the
Speaker 1: team to kind of realize this is the captain of
Speaker 1: the defense. Yeah, that's a great question. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you it started early. You know, it really
Speaker 1: started around that. You know, training camp was part of it,
Speaker 1: first preseason game with another part of it. But you know,
Speaker 1: if you look back at what we talked about with
Speaker 1: like Sean Wood and those guys when we did a
Speaker 1: little tribute, they knew it pretty pretty much right away,
Speaker 1: you know, and they started hearing him making signal calls
Speaker 1: and sharl was making them in the secondary, and at
Speaker 1: that point they realized this guy is a great leader.
Speaker 1: You know, he leads by example, but he also leads
Speaker 1: by his work ethic and everything else. Man. But I
Speaker 1: think you know, for us, especially on the offensive side, man,
Speaker 1: we just saw this guy making plays and we knew
Speaker 1: the rest of the guys around him were pretty damn
Speaker 1: special as well. You know. So if you got a
Speaker 1: guy in the middle making the calls and making the plays,
Speaker 1: you know, the rest was history with him. So I
Speaker 1: mean right away, Zach's work ethic is humility that we
Speaker 1: talked about before. You know, you you you buy in
Speaker 1: with him, then you go out and you make plays.
Speaker 1: On top of that, some guys work hard as hell.
Speaker 1: Travis and they're not playmakers. And some guys that you know,
Speaker 1: they can run well, they can live well, they can
Speaker 1: do all this stuff stuff well, and they're great workers.
Speaker 1: They don't make plays that did all that, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean when you see all that, as well as
Speaker 1: the ability to lead grown in because you're dealing with
Speaker 1: guy had been in league for eight nineteen years as
Speaker 1: a rookie, so you got to get them to buy
Speaker 1: him before you get anybody to buy in, you know.
Speaker 1: And once they did, which is almost immediately, that's why
Speaker 1: you know, it became special with Zach right away. So
Speaker 1: immediate in terms of his impact in the locker room.
Speaker 1: But Seth, I'm curious about the other side of the
Speaker 1: business in the building and his interactions with you and
Speaker 1: people in PR and media. Was it similar on that
Speaker 1: side of the football world for him, you know? Now,
Speaker 1: I this was, as I like to tell Juice all
Speaker 1: the time, class in ninety six, this was my rookie
Speaker 1: year as well. I was just an intern and just
Speaker 1: really kind of learning all about it, you know, and
Speaker 1: so I didn't know what I didn't know at that
Speaker 1: point in time, and he was just a guy who
Speaker 1: was my age and we were kind of going through
Speaker 1: this thing together, except that you know, his job was
Speaker 1: a lot cooler and h and he added a lot
Speaker 1: more to what the overall goals of the team were.
Speaker 1: But what I can tell you was one of the
Speaker 1: first things that I was asked to do. I've told
Speaker 1: the story over and over again, but you know, when
Speaker 1: I first started there, my first day as an intern,
Speaker 1: it's when Harvey Green said, Hey, I'm the PR guy
Speaker 1: for Dan Marino and Jimmy Johnson and Mike Hanson. That
Speaker 1: he rest in peace. He said, Mike is the PR
Speaker 1: guy for the rest of the starters, and whatever else
Speaker 1: is left is you. And so a fifth round draft choice,
Speaker 1: a five eleven linebacker, fifth round draft choice out of
Speaker 1: Texas Tech. That was what was left, right, you know,
Speaker 1: those are the type of players for about two weeks,
Speaker 1: and then as soon as he became a starter, he
Speaker 1: was elevated. You know enough on our podcast, your star
Speaker 1: player pulled up to varsity. That's exactly right. Now. What
Speaker 1: was cool Chruice in the podcast was when he said, hey, Seth,
Speaker 1: you were assigned to me from the day I got
Speaker 1: there until the day I left. And the truth of
Speaker 1: the matter was that I guess that connection stayed, but
Speaker 1: he certainly got a lot more attention from from Mike
Speaker 1: and ultimately Meo Golkis and certainly Harvey at that point.
Speaker 1: But one of my first assignments was Harvey Green. You know,
Speaker 1: he used to write on his doctor like handwriting on
Speaker 1: these little note pad Do you ever go to a
Speaker 1: do you ever go to a flea market or outside
Speaker 1: a garage out somebody side of somebody's house and to
Speaker 1: give you a handwritten receipt on one of those little
Speaker 1: carbon you know, those little receipt books. You can buy
Speaker 1: it off his depot, and he had those for messages
Speaker 1: and he would take him up and we would take
Speaker 1: those up in guy's lockers, remember juice, you know, Okay,
Speaker 1: so and so and uh. And he handed me something.
Speaker 1: He said, Hey, this is so and so and he's
Speaker 1: from Lubbock, Texas and I guess he's been covering Texas
Speaker 1: Tech for the last thirty years. And he wants to
Speaker 1: talk to Zach Thomas. And he looks at me and
Speaker 1: he goes, say, I think he's the white linebacker. You know,
Speaker 1: Harvey wasn't even sure who he was. And he said,
Speaker 1: but I guess he's a big deal back there can
Speaker 1: you handle this? And so I walk back in. He
Speaker 1: was coming out of the cold tub juice. He was
Speaker 1: still wearing his grayes, didn't even put a shirt on,
Speaker 1: and he would just kind of lumbered his way, and
Speaker 1: he did this, you know, this interview, and then it
Speaker 1: became the first of many because he went from being Wow,
Speaker 1: this is cool, hometown hero gets to be in the NFL,
Speaker 1: gets his shot, to wow, Jack del Rio was just cut.
Speaker 1: One of Jimmy John's and his favorites was just cut
Speaker 1: because they can't keep this guy off the field. To wow,
Speaker 1: the Dolphins just got to steal. And so he was.
Speaker 1: I went back and looked at it. Recently, he did
Speaker 1: this huge spread in Sports Illustrated that Rick Riley came
Speaker 1: down and did a great story on him. Peter King
Speaker 1: is there and the next day and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: all these national writers, there's a lot of attention. Was
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson's first year back in the NFL, after you know,
Speaker 1: walking away from two super Bowl championships or I guess
Speaker 1: one right in Dallas and then three rings was at
Speaker 1: two in um and one I loo's count. But he
Speaker 1: built a hell of a team in Dallas and so now,
Speaker 1: so Jimmy was a big story. Here's another Jimmy Johnson
Speaker 1: stole the draft type story. So there was a lot
Speaker 1: of attention placed upon Zach and he was just always
Speaker 1: happy to do things. He'd give us a hard time
Speaker 1: in the background, as players sometimes like to do, and
Speaker 1: I think more so because he enjoyed giving us a
Speaker 1: hard time, but he was always respectful. He you know,
Speaker 1: ultimately wouldn't turn anything down if he felt that the
Speaker 1: request was also one by someone who respected what he
Speaker 1: was doing. Because if you said something, you know, all
Speaker 1: these guys say they don't read it, they don't pay
Speaker 1: attention to the media, they don't look at the internet,
Speaker 1: they're not on social media, Travis. They know, they know
Speaker 1: what's going on. And so if somebody, you know, Jos,
Speaker 1: we've had those conversations where there are some pretty big
Speaker 1: names that have been around this league and word got
Speaker 1: back to you if they said something you didn't like either,
Speaker 1: So he knew if that was going to be the case.
Speaker 1: But overall, for you get a guy who becomes a
Speaker 1: star on your team and you know, gets a tremendous
Speaker 1: amount of requests, always doing the production meetings, always having
Speaker 1: to do the weekly conference calls with the other team,
Speaker 1: and especially after Dan Marino retires, where we don't have
Speaker 1: that quarterback that is the guaranteed ask every year. Zach
Speaker 1: and JT got a lot of those requests, and he
Speaker 1: always did what was asked of him, never skipped out
Speaker 1: of the back of a locker room, even after difficult losses,
Speaker 1: always gave time to the media. I think every media
Speaker 1: member that covered him would tell you how respectful he was,
Speaker 1: and that really did start from day one. Probably plays
Speaker 1: a little bit into his Hall of Fame candidacy, don't
Speaker 1: you think in terms of like I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think your play ultimately decides whether or not you
Speaker 1: get in, But I do think that kind of being
Speaker 1: that type of person probably helps too, Don't you think
Speaker 1: I would say that if you're an out and out jerk,
Speaker 1: it becomes more difficult to get in, but ultimately your
Speaker 1: talent will supersede. You know, we've seen some players where
Speaker 1: you scratch your head and said, what took so long?
Speaker 1: Like I'm talking Dolphin fans will be like, yeah, Zach Thomas,
Speaker 1: he's that guy. But so we've seen some of that
Speaker 1: where certain guys that you thought would be SUREFI or
Speaker 1: first team guys. Maybe you know, the group is the
Speaker 1: group that are selectors. I don't think anybody. I think
Speaker 1: they take that job too seriously to intentionally allow bias
Speaker 1: to prevent people from getting to the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: I really do. But I think that they may not
Speaker 1: look as hard or might look harder at the things
Speaker 1: that could be potentially negatives. And you gotta way your turn.
Speaker 1: I think with Zach it certainly didn't hurt that he
Speaker 1: was beloved, but at the same time, he had to
Speaker 1: wait his turn, man. I mean, you know, he his
Speaker 1: last game was what two thousand and eight, you know,
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, maybe he went to camp with
Speaker 1: Kansas City. I think so he certainly waited his turn.
Speaker 1: Him being a nice guy, didn't you know, It didn't
Speaker 1: thrust him in there. So he got in there on
Speaker 1: his merit being a nice guy. I think was just
Speaker 1: a nice thing that happened along the way. Yeah, step
Speaker 1: along that. I think Joe Horgan really touched on that
Speaker 1: a little bit too, you know, and we had him
Speaker 1: on about talking about certain guys and you know that
Speaker 1: had to kind of waked their turn, and Zach was
Speaker 1: kind of one of those guys, but how he felt
Speaker 1: about the fact that you know, his time was definitely coming,
Speaker 1: you know, and that was you know, that was that
Speaker 1: was pretty pretty pretty obvious too. And uh, you know,
Speaker 1: and then Zaco Jack talks a lot about in the podcast,
Speaker 1: you know about um, you know, some of the things
Speaker 1: that you know led to his probably delayed entry into
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. So that's going to be that
Speaker 1: was interesting here from him. Well, because yeah, no doubt,
Speaker 1: we call that a teaser, and of course it keeps
Speaker 1: some meat on the bone for the folks, as as
Speaker 1: I like to say on my show here, but this
Speaker 1: is this will be Zach's second time in the tank, right,
Speaker 1: So you guys had him a while back, and he
Speaker 1: told so many great stories and what you guys talk
Speaker 1: about in terms of the person, the character, how humble,
Speaker 1: how accepting he is of everybody he encounters, that comes
Speaker 1: across in that episode. I'm curious, you know, with the
Speaker 1: new episode coming out tomorrow, if you guys felt a
Speaker 1: different I don't want to say vibe, but like, did
Speaker 1: anything change for you or just like how the two
Speaker 1: episodes compare from pre Hall of Fame Zach Thomas to
Speaker 1: now Gold Jacket Hall of Famer. How do those two
Speaker 1: episodes kind of stuck up in that way? Yeah, bigheaded, arrogant.
Speaker 1: I mean now that he's got to know he was
Speaker 1: already big headed, but for different reasons. But I du
Speaker 1: you are just you know what, it kind of is
Speaker 1: a layout here for you because you were just saying
Speaker 1: this on our call the other day about Zach. How mean, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's way more He's definitely way more relaxed. He's definitely
Speaker 1: way more relaxed. But he's also a little more he's
Speaker 1: a little more cocky. He really is. Man, he's a badass.
Speaker 1: He's always been a if you want to call that cocky,
Speaker 1: he's he's a little bit of But you know what, though, man,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's also you can tell the relief. You
Speaker 1: can tell that, you know what I mean that you know,
Speaker 1: not that it was I think he knew he was
Speaker 1: gonna get in, but it's still that it's still off
Speaker 1: his shoulders because you know, we held you met Travis
Speaker 1: nick Saith. You know, we've been fighting to fight for him,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And he's he's hurt it,
Speaker 1: he's hurt everybody else fighting the fight for him. And he,
Speaker 1: like he said himself, you know, everybody can relax, you know,
Speaker 1: and I think he's the one also who has relaxed
Speaker 1: a lot because of that. He's just a different he was.
Speaker 1: He was just so chill, you know. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that was the That was the thing about it, man,
Speaker 1: even though we knew and he knew, and a lot
Speaker 1: of people told us that he's gonna get in. But hell,
Speaker 1: until it happens, you know, you don't know. But yeah,
Speaker 1: big Steff, So yeah, you're right, man. He's definitely a
Speaker 1: different guy in terms of that. But he's that same
Speaker 1: dude that gives me and Seff a lot of hell,
Speaker 1: you know, whenever he gets an opportunity. I don't know
Speaker 1: how much he gives you, but he's sure as hell
Speaker 1: gave me funny of it, that's for sure. Now, that
Speaker 1: was pretty cool to see it on. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: life doesn't suck for Zach Thomas. It didn't before the
Speaker 1: NFL Honors announcement, and it certainly doesn't now. But in
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, we were at that as beautiful homes, got
Speaker 1: a beautiful family, everybody's healthy, knock on wood, and he's
Speaker 1: you know, he's living a good life that he's earned
Speaker 1: and all of those things. And I think he's very
Speaker 1: happy doing all the things that he does, really in
Speaker 1: the shadows in a lot of ways, right from from
Speaker 1: the public. He's very present with his kids. I like
Speaker 1: to call him a soccer dad and we joke around
Speaker 1: with that and say he's driving around and a big
Speaker 1: Toyota ciena or something. But he's still He was always
Speaker 1: a guy that liked to put pressure on himself and
Speaker 1: liked to stress about things and liked to you know,
Speaker 1: it was kind of a motivator for him. He would
Speaker 1: create all of these scenarios so that he could outwork
Speaker 1: his situation because you know, as a player, he did
Speaker 1: that and I think in life in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1: And as Jews said, you didn't sense any of that.
Speaker 1: He just looked like he was kind of walking on
Speaker 1: air when he walked in there, and he was so
Speaker 1: gracious with his time, and you're right, Juice, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I could quite call him cocky.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he knows how to do that yet,
Speaker 1: but he he doesn't like to talk about himself a
Speaker 1: lot publicly. You know, he'll tell us he's a bad dude,
Speaker 1: you know privately and likes to do that, but publicly
Speaker 1: he is always so humble and so gracious. And I
Speaker 1: know that some of his former teammates, as you heard
Speaker 1: on the on the tribute episode that we did, you know,
Speaker 1: they don't want him to awe shucks himself out of
Speaker 1: being a Hall of Famer, you know, they want him
Speaker 1: to take a little credit for what type of a
Speaker 1: player he was. And I think he was more open
Speaker 1: to talking about those things on in this episode. You know,
Speaker 1: he talked about his prep, He talked about the things
Speaker 1: that he felt allowed him to be at his best,
Speaker 1: to win where he won, where he had an edge
Speaker 1: on his opponents. Um, you know, he wasn't you know,
Speaker 1: he didn't come on the show and pound his chest.
Speaker 1: But I think that he was really open about that
Speaker 1: stuff and and comfortable in doing so. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: that's a really good prelude to my penultimate question here.
Speaker 1: Those are big words like mayonnaise, they're juice a whole
Speaker 1: lot manaise right there. Penultimates by new One. I've been
Speaker 1: using it a lot. You'll hear on the podcast a lot.
Speaker 1: I'm sure if you listen to us it too much
Speaker 1: and everyone just thinks that someone tweeted you, Hey, here's
Speaker 1: a new sat word. Yeah, exactly, give me, give me
Speaker 1: the book. I'll go back over that thing again. But no,
Speaker 1: it was I was curious because, again as someone that
Speaker 1: doesn't know Zac personally, I actually met him for the
Speaker 1: first time at the DCC and just as nice as
Speaker 1: can be, you know, introduced himself. Hey, Travis, nice to
Speaker 1: meet you. And by the way, it looks like he
Speaker 1: can still play linebacker. Looks incredible, in great shape. Maybe
Speaker 1: safety now, Travis. Yeah, no, Well, you know, it's funny
Speaker 1: about that juice. There you go, there, you go, count out?
Speaker 1: Does disrespectful man? You count him out. There was a
Speaker 1: message boards back in the early two thousands and there
Speaker 1: was actually like this legendary threat about moving Zack to
Speaker 1: safety and the guy just got crushed for it. So
Speaker 1: it's really funny that you brought that up here because
Speaker 1: it was a bad idea then, and I think Zach
Speaker 1: was say, it's a bad idea now, but I understand
Speaker 1: what you're saying. Their juice. But as someone that didn't
Speaker 1: know him, you know, I had this perception of, you know,
Speaker 1: tough guy. You know, obviously probably a little bit of
Speaker 1: a meathead because he's a linebacker player in the National
Speaker 1: Football League. But then you see the the interaction with
Speaker 1: him and Jimmy Johnson and his family when he goes
Speaker 1: back home. The NFL network had the great video they
Speaker 1: showed of him learning that he was being you know,
Speaker 1: elected into the Hall of Fame, and the emotions that
Speaker 1: you saw overcome him. Just to me, what you guys
Speaker 1: just described is visually present in those videos, and so
Speaker 1: I wanted to get your guy, both your guys's perspective
Speaker 1: on seeing that video and because like talking about it
Speaker 1: right now, as someone who doesn't even know the guy,
Speaker 1: it makes me a little emotional, like it kind of
Speaker 1: can feel the emotions bubbling up. Did you guys feel
Speaker 1: that when you watch to that video? Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. Man. It was like, um, you know,
Speaker 1: we talked a little bit about that that weight, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean that the weight and the weights you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, you know, both weights, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, the waiting to get in there and the
Speaker 1: weight off his shoulder of getting a couple of poets here.
Speaker 1: Today you look at you guys and uh, you do
Speaker 1: see that, you know, and we actually we touched on
Speaker 1: this little soft ass and in our in our podcast
Speaker 1: being soft now, I just playing man, of course, Man,
Speaker 1: I mean this dude. You know, he's always wore his
Speaker 1: emotions on his sleeve, you know, in private more than anything. Man.
Speaker 1: You know he's a tough dude. But hell, man, he
Speaker 1: you you hear the emotion, you know when you know
Speaker 1: we have a tough loss, and you see him in
Speaker 1: the locker room, like Seth said, he steps up to
Speaker 1: the podium no matter what. But you know, behind the scene,
Speaker 1: he's pissed for another week until he gets another checks
Speaker 1: you get back out there. Even when we win, he's
Speaker 1: still back in the lab working, you know. So you
Speaker 1: always see him in work mode all the time. But
Speaker 1: then we get him in private. You know, hell, Zach
Speaker 1: was dak and Seth was that my way? We couldn't
Speaker 1: get Zack all the dance floor. That's Zack right there.
Speaker 1: You talk about rip walking, he was doing it all man.
Speaker 1: You know, a good friend of mine said, Zach goes
Speaker 1: him a pair of pants, and he tried to compete
Speaker 1: with him, and he ripped his pants. You know what,
Speaker 1: You know that he was Pampa High Schools, mister dance
Speaker 1: his senior year. I don't know how many people you
Speaker 1: competed with. I don't know if it's a class of
Speaker 1: like eighteen people. But still, you guys, consider where you're
Speaker 1: at in the in the country. But that's okay though,
Speaker 1: we get it, you know what I mean. But yeah's
Speaker 1: on your schedule. Yeah, but yeah, man, I tell you, man,
Speaker 1: just like you know, to see him that emotional, don't
Speaker 1: You don't see that very often from from anybody that's
Speaker 1: played football, you know, But then you see that from
Speaker 1: a guy like Zach Thomas, who's a hard ass football
Speaker 1: players us his nails, you know. And like I said,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of things came out at that
Speaker 1: one point. And I think for Seth and I I
Speaker 1: know for myself, I was held emotional about it too, man,
Speaker 1: just seeing how you know, just how how how appreciative
Speaker 1: he was. But how that weight you know, finally the
Speaker 1: weight and the weight were over, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It was great. It was really great. It was a
Speaker 1: look one that the smile that came across his face
Speaker 1: when he realized ash like what was happening. It was
Speaker 1: so cool, man, it was, it was really cool. I
Speaker 1: think it worked out great and you know, everybody who
Speaker 1: was involved in that process did a hell of a job.
Speaker 1: How they kept out a secret is beyond me, but
Speaker 1: it was you could tell that was legitimate. There was
Speaker 1: no poker face there that that was legitimate as he
Speaker 1: walked up there. And I think Juice was right. I mean,
Speaker 1: emotion is the key words. Zach played with emotion and passion.
Speaker 1: He had fun with emotion and passion. You know, post
Speaker 1: game he was in the locker room. He and JT
Speaker 1: were notoriously the last two. That was and they never
Speaker 1: kept out of an interview postgame locker room, but they
Speaker 1: were always last, the last two. And there's a lot
Speaker 1: of different reasons why that was the case. Actually, JT
Speaker 1: was always the last to go, and he liked to
Speaker 1: wait and hear what Zach would say. Because for Zach,
Speaker 1: he'd get up there and especially after a loss, and
Speaker 1: especially after a loss to the Jets, it would just
Speaker 1: pour out of him and he was furious and he
Speaker 1: would say all kinds of things that he normally wouldn't say.
Speaker 1: And I remember one time we were in the Jets
Speaker 1: locker room after another lousy loss and he was just
Speaker 1: going on and on, and the Levatard turns to me
Speaker 1: and he says, this is like a therapy session for him,
Speaker 1: isn't it. I go, he might need one after this,
Speaker 1: the way he feels about it. But so, you know
Speaker 1: everything he did, and I think that's part of why
Speaker 1: people have connected with him, so you know so much.
Speaker 1: I think that's why fans absolutely love the guy is
Speaker 1: because you know when when you're a fan and you
Speaker 1: show up and you've painted your face, and you've paid
Speaker 1: that good money and you've been out there at the
Speaker 1: stadium eight hours before kickoff and all those things, and
Speaker 1: you're screaming your head off and truly your your investment, right.
Speaker 1: So if you're this, like like my co host here,
Speaker 1: you want to feel like the players care as much
Speaker 1: as you do, if not more. And the children, the
Speaker 1: matter is, they do and sometimes the way they handle
Speaker 1: that is perceived differently because you just Travis, you and
Speaker 1: I will never know what it feels like to go
Speaker 1: through that, but there's this perception. And with Zach, because
Speaker 1: he wore it on his sleeves, there was no hiding
Speaker 1: the emotion of the passion. Uh. You know. I think
Speaker 1: that's a big part of the reason why fans had
Speaker 1: connected with him. And so when he went in, I
Speaker 1: had a friend text to me that he and his
Speaker 1: wife were jumping up and down in tears when he
Speaker 1: came out on the stage for NFL Honors. And why
Speaker 1: is that? Why do you have that visceral connection with
Speaker 1: a guy that you've never met, And it's because of
Speaker 1: all of those things. It's because of the emotion that
Speaker 1: he exuded each and every time he put on orange aqua. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's basically roll in this together at the end
Speaker 1: of the day. And that's that's what Zach definitely embodies
Speaker 1: a member of the Miami Dolphins and the South Florida community.
Speaker 1: And so we've arrived at the final question here. It's
Speaker 1: not a question what I'm going to ask you guys
Speaker 1: to do. And it's not like it needs this because
Speaker 1: obviously everyone that hears this is going to listen to
Speaker 1: to the podcast because we all love Zach Thomas for
Speaker 1: the reasons we I hope. So, I mean, tryve time's awesome,
Speaker 1: but damn it, come over and check out the fish
Speaker 1: tank juice. I'll go to you first is sell us,
Speaker 1: tell us, tell us about this podcast, Why it was awesome,
Speaker 1: why it's great, why Dolphins fans have to hear this
Speaker 1: episode of the Fish Tank. Well, I tell you man
Speaker 1: um for one, is Zach Thomas done? You can start
Speaker 1: off right there, all right, it's five four, do you meantime?
Speaker 1: That'll be my time here you go. Yeah. And and
Speaker 1: also you know, Zach Zak is, like Seth said, he's
Speaker 1: really his time is like really like really presses with
Speaker 1: more of his family and to even get him one
Speaker 1: on extended. I mean we were probably on there for
Speaker 1: a close forty five minutes to an hour talking to him.
Speaker 1: He's so he's so like quiet, like we talked about humble,
Speaker 1: but he's also a family guy that really doesn't you know,
Speaker 1: get out you know and do a lot um. I
Speaker 1: think the fact that you know he took the time
Speaker 1: out as a step kind of talked to him about
Speaker 1: getting out there and seeing us. As you know the
Speaker 1: podcast we'll tell you that Step was on Zach about
Speaker 1: getting his ass out there and getting him in the tank.
Speaker 1: And Zach, as promised, you know, came into the tank.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna tell you some of the things he says.
Speaker 1: And this episode, like I talked about every podcast that week,
Speaker 1: Steps and I do you know even the one we
Speaker 1: did with Rashad Jones a couple of weeks ago. We
Speaker 1: learned something new, you know what I mean. And you're
Speaker 1: talking two guys that know Zach Thomas pretty well, and
Speaker 1: we learned something new again, a few things new, you know.
Speaker 1: And I think that's why it's really a must must
Speaker 1: listen because the Zach Thomas that we know, we know
Speaker 1: ninety percent of Zach Thomas, but there are a couple
Speaker 1: of things that will there's a couple of nuggets in
Speaker 1: there that he's going to drop that are super important
Speaker 1: to the reason why he's so damn good, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And uh, I think that was that
Speaker 1: was that was that was super impressive to me because
Speaker 1: I mean, hell, we laugh, you know, we we we
Speaker 1: got it was serious. We you know, we joked a
Speaker 1: little bit, but over and all overall, man, it was
Speaker 1: Zach Thomas at his best and it was so much
Speaker 1: fun just having him in there. And man, when you
Speaker 1: hear a couple of those little chidbits, Travis, you're gonna
Speaker 1: you're gonna love it. Man. Well, we might talk to you,
Speaker 1: you know, tonight after we after you post, you know,
Speaker 1: we might talk to a little bit about some of
Speaker 1: the stuff, but you'd rather want to hear it firsthand.
Speaker 1: Elive tweets juicy be you gotta you gotta hear it.
Speaker 1: You gotta hear it that way first. And I don't
Speaker 1: know you can talk that set that was pretty good.
Speaker 1: I can. I don't know that any It almost feels like,
Speaker 1: you know, hey, look at me for me to just
Speaker 1: feel like I have to see something because Juice is
Speaker 1: painted a great picture. But but yeah, absolutely no, I mean, look,
Speaker 1: he's right, It's what else do you need to say?
Speaker 1: It's Zach Thomas. Hall of Famers don't grow on trees.
Speaker 1: This team that we all love and have cheered for.
Speaker 1: Some people who are listening to this have cheered for
Speaker 1: them since the beginning of the organization in nineteen sixty six.
Speaker 1: Zach only becomes the eleventh, the eleventh Hall of Famer
Speaker 1: and the history of this team, there are some guys
Speaker 1: that are deserving. I don't know when the next one will.
Speaker 1: You know when we'll put another gold jacket on another
Speaker 1: Miami Dolphin, hopefully sooner than later. But the point is
Speaker 1: that one of eleven dove in the tank and told
Speaker 1: some really wonderful stories and hopefully some things that hadn't
Speaker 1: been told before, as Juice is saying, and you know,
Speaker 1: when a guy like that takes you essentially inside, right,
Speaker 1: you know inside, you get to look through his eyes almost,
Speaker 1: and how he's diagnosing a Peyton Manning led offense. Like
Speaker 1: that's really cool stuff, you know, And I thought that
Speaker 1: that was special. It's just it's Zach. I think that
Speaker 1: we probably could have just stopped there. It's It's a
Speaker 1: great episode, hopefully. It feels like three guys that have
Speaker 1: each other for a long time talking about something that
Speaker 1: everybody wanted, but one guy really deserved. And that's what
Speaker 1: we tried to bring across in this episode. Well, as
Speaker 1: I've told you guys many many times that the Fish
Speaker 1: Tank is so special because you get your favorite athletes
Speaker 1: as a Miami Dolphins fan in a way that you
Speaker 1: would not get them otherwise. Like the fish Tank exists
Speaker 1: in its own universe that just you just have these
Speaker 1: stories and the versions of these people that are comfortable
Speaker 1: to open up to you, guys that I just don't
Speaker 1: think is possible on another platform. That's why we love
Speaker 1: the podcast so much. So if you're a big Zach
Speaker 1: Thomas fan and if you listen to this podcast. That
Speaker 1: means that you are go check out the FishTank episode tomorrow.
Speaker 1: It drops Seth Juice and Hall of Famer Zach Thomas.
Speaker 1: You guys do not want to miss that. So, guys,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time today. I'm very
Speaker 1: stoked about this long episode of Drift Time Promoting your podcast.
Speaker 1: You can follow Seth at Team Levett. You can follow
Speaker 1: Oj at oj McDuffie, and of course the fish Tank
Speaker 1: at the Fish Tank eighty one on Twitter. Guys, anything
Speaker 1: else you want to promote here, fish Tank wise, Zach
Speaker 1: Thomas wise, whatever, you guys, go ahead and do that well, Travels.
Speaker 1: I just want to thank you for letting us dive in. Bro.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? How you do it? Man?
Speaker 1: You gotta do it more offense? Been too long? Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, if you want to you
Speaker 1: want to get I think tonight though, I mean, if
Speaker 1: you want to check out before you get to the
Speaker 1: Zach Thomas episode, check out the Joe Horrigan and then
Speaker 1: also check out you know, the Tribute one, and then
Speaker 1: that'll lead right into what we did you know tomorrow
Speaker 1: one from back in Yeah, that was twenty eighteen, Travils
Speaker 1: that was the first one of our first interviews we
Speaker 1: ever did. It was before we were part of the
Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins podcast network with you, which has been awesome. Um,
Speaker 1: and we really just I don't want to say we
Speaker 1: didn't know what we were doing, juice, but we kind
Speaker 1: of didn't know what we were No, we were figuring
Speaker 1: it out. And Zach was like the second or third
Speaker 1: person that we interviewed, and he was kind enough to
Speaker 1: let us come up to his house and do that
Speaker 1: and tell some fun stories and if you go back
Speaker 1: and listen to them now, which I did before this
Speaker 1: interview because we didn't want to do the same thing twice,
Speaker 1: it was. It was a lot of fun. This is
Speaker 1: a very different interviews it as it deserved to be.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was. It's pretty wild to think that
Speaker 1: that was five years ago. Yeah, five years ago. It
Speaker 1: goes by flash, I have a fun boys. Well, hey,
Speaker 1: thanksl today. You know, I don't want to say diving
Speaker 1: in because that's your guys, this thing, but you took
Speaker 1: the wheel and you gut us home to a great episode.
Speaker 1: So thank you so much to you. Guys. Appreciate it,
Speaker 1: thanks for having us. Travis appreciate it. Boss and There
Speaker 1: you have it. There they go. Fun episode there, It's
Speaker 1: always fun talking to those guys. I just feel like
Speaker 1: the chemistry we've developed over a couple of years here
Speaker 1: we've been working together has really kind of just made
Speaker 1: for fun episodes no matter what we talk about, especially
Speaker 1: once about a player we all admire so much and
Speaker 1: Zach Thomas. Again. That episode of the Fish Tank drops
Speaker 1: on Tuesday. Do not miss it. It's going to be great.
Speaker 1: These guys do such good work and Zach's obviously a
Speaker 1: massive figure down here with the Miami Dolphins in the
Speaker 1: South Florida community. In the meantime, that's going to be
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