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Speaker 1: Hey, well, I welcome in. I'm Doug Gadley. This is

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Speaker 1: All Ball, where this is part two of our talk

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Speaker 1: with Rex Walters. Rex, of course, was a star guard

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Speaker 1: this in part one. If you missed it, it's great

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Speaker 1: and I mean his career is fascinating by the way.

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Speaker 1: I think. Next All Ball we'll probably do um some

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Speaker 1: reaction to college basketball as of Christmas, and of course

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Speaker 1: all the craziness that that's taking place. But the meantime,

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Speaker 1: let's dig back in with Rex Walters. Okay, So when

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Speaker 1: through his playing career, which of course spanned not just

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Speaker 1: he bounces around and then then what how do you

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Speaker 1: how do you get into coaching? And how do you

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Speaker 1: go from playing to coaching to being a head coach

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Speaker 1: at such a young age at Florida Atlantic and then

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Speaker 1: why take the San Francisco job? And you're way tie

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Speaker 1: here he shares with us what it's like to get fired.

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Speaker 1: What he's done since, and how he watched his basketball

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Speaker 1: now and what's left for his basketball careers? Only fifty

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Speaker 1: one years sold. Alright, so let's tag back in. By

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Speaker 1: let's take back in. Here's Rex Walter's part two. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what was Spain like? Playing in Spain? Yeah, so I

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Speaker 1: It was really weird. Like, so you go to practice

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Speaker 1: I played well in Toronto, I played well in Denver.

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Speaker 1: And Scott called me and said, would you like to

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Speaker 1: stumps to the yurnal and you know, the toilet like

426
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Speaker 1: one of my coaches had to work in there. So

427
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Speaker 1: and then I'm just I'm walking to the press compass

428
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Speaker 1: and my my oldest son now looks at me and

429
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Speaker 1: he says, Dad, you really think this is a better

430
00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,879
Speaker 1: job than f AU And I'm like, I think so,

431
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,320
Speaker 1: you know, like I don't really know if this is

432
00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,920
Speaker 1: a good job. And Jeff Lender, who came with me

433
00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:49,600
Speaker 1: because I was gonna hire an f A, you said,

434
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Speaker 1: whatever you do, Rex, don't take it. I know Tommy Lloyd,

435
00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,119
Speaker 1: I know the people of Gonzaga they're all telling me,

436
00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,720
Speaker 1: don't do it. And again you talk about strength and weakness.

437
00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:59,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'll figure out a way. Like I'll figure

438
00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,280
Speaker 1: out a way. Let's lock in, let's recruit the right guys,

439
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 1: let's we'll get after it. And so I end up

440
00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,919
Speaker 1: accepting the job. I was there eight years. We had

441
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:13,400
Speaker 1: some good teams, had some competitive teams. When twenty games,

442
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 1: you think about San Francisco and then and Todd, I

443
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 1: think has done a good job. Kyle Smith did a

444
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,800
Speaker 1: good job, but they had won twenty games and thirty

445
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,200
Speaker 1: plus years before I got there. So I was really

446
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Speaker 1: proud of those things. A lot of things again that

447
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 1: I learned in the process, because again thirty four, thirty

448
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,040
Speaker 1: five years old, a lot of things to learn. And

449
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 1: you know, you see a lot of these assistant coaches,

450
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,960
Speaker 1: like some of these guys that have paid their dues

451
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,200
Speaker 1: for ten fifteen years, that really learned about what it

452
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 1: takes to be a head coach, I think they have

453
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,680
Speaker 1: a better chance of success. Has opposed a lot of these,

454
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Speaker 1: you know, twenty and I'm not saying all of them,

455
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,159
Speaker 1: but twenty thirty that that haven't been through the process. Well,

456
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 1: I hadn't been through the process to not know what

457
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Speaker 1: I didn't know. So but it was a great experience.

458
00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,719
Speaker 1: Crede eight years. My family loved living there. We got

459
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Speaker 1: to in I T one year, we wanted the postseason twice.

460
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 1: Had some really good good players, good good guys um

461
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Speaker 1: and we're just, you know, just on the cusp of

462
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Speaker 1: getting to a West Coast Conference finals and having a

463
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Speaker 1: chance to get to Nancy a tournament. How are you

464
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,440
Speaker 1: different as a coach at the end as opposed to

465
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 1: start you talking about learning stuff and like what how

466
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Speaker 1: did you evolve as a coach? So as a young

467
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Speaker 1: coach especially, you know when you when you're your mentors

468
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Speaker 1: are the people you look up to. You know, Coach

469
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Speaker 1: Willams is a very hard driven coach. Do what I

470
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Speaker 1: ask you to do, right, do what I ask you

471
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Speaker 1: to do well. At Kansas you've got players they're gonna

472
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Speaker 1: do what you ask them to do well. Maybe not

473
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Speaker 1: necessarily going to be the case at USF. You know

474
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Speaker 1: they're not gonna necessarily do And so Coach wayams with

475
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Speaker 1: digest heels and when we were messing up right and

476
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Speaker 1: we could take it like our players, you know, the

477
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 1: players like Donna's Jordan, they could take it well these

478
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 1: other guys because it's not quite the same level play.

479
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Speaker 1: And I had good players, don't get me wrong him.

480
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Speaker 1: So I was a hard driving coach. We would run

481
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Speaker 1: and we would run gut checks and and guys would

482
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,199
Speaker 1: just drop off. And then you get a reputation as

483
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Speaker 1: being like too hard, too driven, too much, you know,

484
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Speaker 1: And so those things at the beginning of my career

485
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 1: carried over into years you know, six, seven and eight. Right,

486
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Speaker 1: So he's gonna push you really, really hard. He's gonna

487
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 1: tell you the truth. And our guys, you know, we

488
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 1: we had a little bit of a transfer problem. We

489
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 1: had twentysoone guys leave and every year we got good,

490
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,119
Speaker 1: we would lose a really good player and then we

491
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Speaker 1: take a step back. And so you have to always

492
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Speaker 1: be able to tell the truth to a player. You

493
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Speaker 1: gotta tell the way he can handle it. Well. I

494
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Speaker 1: was a player coach. Williams would tell me, you know,

495
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Speaker 1: I've never had a player more selfish in my twenties

496
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Speaker 1: seven years of coaching. If I said that to one

497
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Speaker 1: of my kids, that would be a really hard thing

498
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Speaker 1: that they especially today's they with social media, they might

499
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Speaker 1: not be able to handle that. Okay, so is this

500
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 1: this is this is a great part of the discussion. Okay,

501
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 1: So Eddy Saith was the same way, right like he

502
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,640
Speaker 1: told my boy until my boy Mike, I won't leave

503
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Speaker 1: his name out. Everybody who played we played with us.

504
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: It might transferred, and but his last and he was

505
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Speaker 1: a four point student, but he couldn't remember secondary break

506
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Speaker 1: Like my you're the dumbest smart kid we've ever had,

507
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Speaker 1: right And I mean like he would just tell you,

508
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 1: he would, he would just say it like it is like, oh,

509
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Speaker 1: you know, don't you ever save that shot when you're

510
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Speaker 1: playing in Cyprus next year? Right like he would just

511
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Speaker 1: kill you. So is it these the players today? Is

512
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: it kids today? Was it specifically the ones that you

513
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: had felt like you had to recruit at that level?

514
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 1: Because I do think that there are some you know,

515
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: like there are places in which though some of the

516
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 1: tone and some of the wording is different, the feelings

517
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Speaker 1: are still the same. Why do you think that you

518
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Speaker 1: don't have the same type of coaching we had that

519
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 1: we that we I mean, like, I don't know if

520
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: I I think I enjoyed it. I like, like I

521
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: just I don't know, I don't know what I like

522
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 1: I played for John with Cloud and he never called

523
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Speaker 1: anybody out. It was it was because you came from

524
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 1: an NBA thing, Like you know, you keep calling, you

525
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: calling the office, you have to set up an appointment.

526
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 1: You go to the office. You'd sit down, he was

527
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,360
Speaker 1: incredibly nice. You'd offer you somebody drink, somebody eat, throw

528
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: on the film. And then you get onto you, like

529
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: a coach said, and like you A'm waiting for any

530
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: film like you you you guys are embarrassing, embarrassing, you

531
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 1: don't run the steps. I don't know how many that Like.

532
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: I enjoyed, you know, the being called out. I enjoyed

533
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: really being pushed. But I also like, you came from

534
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 1: a dad who's a military guy. I came from a

535
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Speaker 1: dad who's a basketball guy. Like that's how we were raised. Again,

536
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: is it this era of player? Is it a societal thing?

537
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 1: Is it specific to the player that you had to recruit?

538
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: Uh at at at San Francisco. That's some great questions.

539
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 1: I had Some guys I could I could say pretty

540
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 1: much anything to him, like Tim Dirkson, Angelo Clario, two

541
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: guys that are still playing professional basketball to this day.

542
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 1: Like I could be really hard on I made Angelo Clario,

543
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: which makes no sense. He wouldn't shoot the basketball in

544
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: a game or blowing out a non division one. And

545
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: we had a rule like if you miss a layup

546
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: in in a in a certain drill, you had to

547
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: go up in the stands and touch the Bill Russell's sign. Well,

548
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: he wasn't shooting, so I said go run up during

549
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 1: the game, and he did it, you know, and and

550
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: so I could. I could get on him in the game.

551
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: I had him run up like and it's funny. It's

552
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 1: it's crazy because I told him, you didn't do it

553
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: hard enough. Do it again, So it's funny. The kids

554
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: a great kid. He's like literally giving my kids high

555
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 1: fives as he's going down the steps. But I could

556
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 1: get on him like that and he was fine with it.

557
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,479
Speaker 1: And other kids if I got online that they couldn't

558
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: handle it. I think some of it is society. I

559
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: think that you have major transfer issue, not just in college,

560
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: in high school and in a au like if it's

561
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: not working, and I'll tell this story, my wife won't

562
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 1: like it. Like so I'm sitting there and I'm watching

563
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: I'm at another game, and my wife texted me she

564
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: like Gunner is my son, Gunner is acting like a

565
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: crazy person, is really competitive, right, and the coach not

566
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: saying anything to him. So I text her back and said, hey,

567
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: let the coach handle it. Will deal with it later.

568
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: Five minutes later, and I love my wife. She's mama

569
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: bear right. She texts me like, the coach just bench Gunner.

570
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: We gotta get him off this team. So I'm like, no, no, no, no, no,

571
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 1: that's not the way it works. And my wife, she's

572
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: the best wife in the world. But that's that's what

573
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 1: we're dealing with now as a society. Parents, if it's

574
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: not working the way they wanted to work, let's just

575
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: find the other thing. So when that happens, there's not

576
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: there's not the ability to handle accountability. Why it's this,

577
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: it's this is great. Um. I was just talking to

578
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 1: I just I was just talking to a football coach

579
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 1: and we were talking about, like on social media, when

580
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: coaches push back on transfer portal, you know, they're seen

581
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: as these hypocrites because they take different jobs. The reality

582
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: of it is that you're comparing the coach leaving and

583
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 1: a player leaving. Is complete is at night and day, right,

584
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: Like anybody with any sort of brains understands this. But

585
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: but to the to the brain dead that are on

586
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: social media, it's MPO critical. The biggest issue is how

587
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: do you coach kids right? How do you how do

588
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: you coach them right? Okay, so we have to be

589
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: careful about our language. If you bench them, I'm gonna leave.

590
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: They're just they're gonna leave. But you can't keep throwing

591
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: them out there. How do you? How do you? Like,

592
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: I don't really understand how would work? And and look,

593
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: leaving has always been the threat that a player has, right,

594
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: it always has been. And it was one of the

595
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: things that coach Sutton used to say he loved about

596
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: recruiting transfers. Is nobody transfers twice. Now people transferred to

597
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: and three times you you go ahead, leave, nobody transfers twice.

598
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: You go back to some n A A school and

599
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: go try that crap in California. Right, That's how he

600
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: used to But now it's like like if I said

601
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: a guy, he's gonna leave, like and there's no repercussions

602
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: for leaving if you can transfer and play right away.

603
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: Um So, and here's the part that I really struggle

604
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: with most of us, not all of us, most of

605
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: us who played or even you live, Like the things

606
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: that you look back on with the you take the

607
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: most pride in were the things that you had to

608
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: overcome right that it wasn't you know. It's like for

609
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: you like when you you you get somewhere and you

610
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: get to north West, you get to Kansas and I

611
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: don't know, like you're from Northwestern, I don't know if

612
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: this guy and by the time you leave Kansas, like, oh,

613
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: he's a dude. Like you earned everything you got against

614
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: you earned everything you got Northwestern. But we we have,

615
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: we have. It's not the kids, the parents. I don't

616
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: understand what the pushback is on earning things and going

617
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: through some tough times in order to see the really

618
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: good types. Well, I think I think it's it's a

619
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: it's a major problem, to be honest with you. And

620
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: what I'll say is this is with n I l

621
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: with social media, with with the instant transfer rule. Now,

622
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: like if you watch a lot of college basketball, you

623
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: call a lot of games I watched every day I

624
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: sit here and I watched college games. Sometimes they'll turn

625
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: it off after about five minutes, like I can't watch this,

626
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: Like there's no account of Guys are shooting bad shots,

627
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: Guys are turning the ball over, Guys are just hugging

628
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: up against their man, like this is bad basketball. This guy,

629
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: this coach could be in some trouble here if he

630
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: doesn't get it right. So it's a it's an unbelievable challenge.

631
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: I'll say this when I watched Is though I went

632
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: to Michigan State, is a wholesome, accountable and he recruits

633
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: a certain type of kid, and he can do that

634
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: at Michigan State. But he's not getting all the guys

635
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: that he wants in terms of He's not like coach

636
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: k when you recruit ten guys. You know. So he's

637
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: really smart about Okay, I'm gonna recruit the kid. I'm

638
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: gonna get to know the parents. I'm gonna really figure

639
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: out how this kid ticks and can he handle the

640
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: way that I coach. I watched Greg Campy, same things.

641
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: He's very not abrupt, but very honest, tells it like

642
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: it is right. He has some good years, has some

643
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: bad years, right, but you know what you're gonna get

644
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: with those teams. I think as a coach now, the

645
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: challenges is you've got to be really good with your

646
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: delivery about how you're gonna present things and how you're

647
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: gonna help get guys get better, how you're gonna spend

648
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: time with them. And you have to spend time with them,

649
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: and they still may leave you right, but your ultimate

650
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: end go Because here's the thing now, every college coach

651
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: now is an NBA coach with not NBA players and

652
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: so and actuality. NBA teams have more power and they're

653
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: still giving in to the player than college teams do.

654
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: Because us, if you're on the contract with the NBA team,

655
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: it's much harder for you to get out in college

656
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: now it's the wild wild West. It's nuts like a

657
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: kid could leave at the drop of a hat. So

658
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: we're up against some really, really difficult things now. But

659
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: you've got to be a great, great teacher. And I

660
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: think that's what really helped me and it's probably why

661
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: I still want to do it. You gotta be a

662
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: great I work for stand band Gunn. He's one of

663
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: the best teacher. When people say he's too hard, our

664
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: players are like, shoot arounds might be too hard. That

665
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: was the thing that they were saying. He's an unbelievable teacher.

666
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: And it's more about watching the film, understanding it getting

667
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: buying from the player to have success. Now they may

668
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: not always like him, but they know exactly what he's

669
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: trying to do is trying to get you better. And

670
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: if you don't want to get better, this isn't the

671
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: right place for you. We got to find another place.

672
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: So but you've gotta be really, really smart in the

673
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: recruiting process about who you're recruiting, who he's listening to,

674
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: because now it's not like back in the day. You

675
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: probably had your father, maybe a brother, like I had

676
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: my father and that was it. Maybe talk to my

677
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: AU coach who was a pretty smart guy. But now

678
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: these kids got fifteen people that they're listening to, and

679
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: on top of that, they're looking to trying to get

680
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: their likes up on their Instagram and their Twitter. So

681
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: it's it's full on crazy. What's that like? I'll tell

682
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: you how I got fired in San Francisco, so I

683
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: always tell the story. So we're driving, I mean and

684
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: my wife are driving down the street getting ready to

685
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: get some burritos on Geary Street and Scott Sibill calls

686
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: me and we we went fifteen and fifteen that year,

687
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: like we played Sound as a State in an exhibition

688
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: or scrimmage. We got throttled by thirty and I looked

689
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: at her after that first scrimmage, I'm like, we might

690
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: not win three games this year, Like we're bad. Like

691
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: Tim Dirkson was a tough kid, was a senior playing.

692
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: He was a six three power forward for US, played

693
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: his butt off. We had Devin Watson is a sophomore,

694
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: good player. He was a sophomore at the time, and

695
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: then it was all a bunch of freshmen and guys

696
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: that didn't played. We lost everybody from the year before

697
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: except those two guys. I was like, we might not

698
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: win two games. We went fifteen and fifteen that year,

699
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: and I look at my wife and I said, Scott

700
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: just called me. I think I'm gonna get an extension,

701
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: Like I coached my butt off this year. We had

702
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: a really good year considering and she just looked at

703
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: Me's like, no, you're getting fired. And I'm like what.

704
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: She's like, Yeah, it's it's it's time. You've been there

705
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: eight years. We've had some ups, we've had some downst

706
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: some good years, had some tough years. Just like just

707
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: like I just don't I don't feel good about this.

708
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: So I walked into his office. Uh, it's eight o'clock

709
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: in the morning. So I called him and said, I

710
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,439
Speaker 1: want to flight at ten thirty. I'm gonna go see

711
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: my daughter playing in Vegas. She was playing at Bakersfield.

712
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: And he's like, fine, this won't take but a second.

713
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 1: He just he just looked at me and said, hey,

714
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make a change. And I said okay. And

715
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: I was like, everything go with the buyout. That's all.

716
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: I said, everything go with the buyout. And he's like, yeah, well,

717
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: well we'll figure out. Was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

718
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: Is everything good with the buyout? And he's like, h

719
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 1: we'll figured out, Rex, don't worry about it. And I

720
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: walked out of the office. I texted my steps, said hey,

721
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 1: please come in the office, and they came in the office.

722
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: I said, please text all the players. Let's get them

723
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: down the locker room. I sent a tweet. I said, hey,

724
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: it's been a great eight years. I really appreciate you know,

725
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: the players, the coaches. The opportunity went down talk to

726
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: the players. One of my assistants, who I think I

727
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: don't totally trust. I thought he knew what was going on,

728
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: acted surprised, and I just said, hey, I'm really sorry, guys,

729
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 1: this is not gonna work out. Let me know what

730
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,399
Speaker 1: I can do to help you. Um, I'm gonna flight

731
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: to Vegas. Get on the flight to Vegas. You know,

732
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: hand out, how did you get fired? You get cut?

733
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: You get all these text messages and land. Once I

734
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: landed in Vegas, I got a whole bunch of tech.

735
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: Stan Van Gundy, who's an unbelievable person, text me and says, hey,

736
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: come out to Detroit, can watch his play, hang out,

737
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: get out of San Francisco. And that's what I did.

738
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: I went to Detroit for about three or four days,

739
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: state at his house, went to Carolina for two days

740
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 1: to see coach Williams. Flew act San Francisco. We started

741
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: packing up and I went back to our home in

742
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: bok rautun So, what what Coach Williams say? He said,

743
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,479
Speaker 1: it's funny, It's he was great, you know he he said,

744
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: you know what you're gonna do? How can I help?

745
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 1: And I said, you know, Coach, I still like to

746
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: coach again. He's like it's he's like, he's like, it's

747
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: it's it's funny, Rex. Because when I was coming up.

748
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: Coach Smith could make a call and he can open

749
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: up a door for you. He's like, and when I

750
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: first started, I could kind of do that as well.

751
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: He's like, it's changed so much since then. Now they

752
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: got these search firms, Like I'll help you all I can.

753
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: He's like, I just don't know how much I can.

754
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 1: And so I said that Coach, I don't expect a miracle,

755
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: you know, but I appreciate you, and I wanted to

756
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: come down and watch it by his practice. And that

757
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,720
Speaker 1: was really pretty much the conversation. But I got fortunate.

758
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: I got the I got the G League job. Stand

759
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: offer me a job to coach and the G League,

760
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: which I loved, uh and it made me a better coach,

761
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: a better teacher. You can't and screaming at pro players

762
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: like you can't do it, but you can still get

763
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: your point across. If you're teaching is good, if your

764
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: video is good, if you know how to break things down.

765
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: So learned a lot from that experience and then got

766
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: called up with the Pistons. As a guy who hasn't

767
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 1: lost is kind of never didn't lose your confidence really,

768
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: maybe until you went to Spain as a player as

769
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: a coach, it's much kind of the same thing. It's

770
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: like it's like you're driving the car and you're like,

771
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: in fifteen fifteen with that squad, are you kidding me?

772
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: I should get the you know, coach of the freaking year, right,

773
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: because now the the other side to it is like, hey,

774
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: eight years, those are your guys, that's who you recruited, right,

775
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: So that's that if you want to take the negative

776
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: to it. But inside, in your in your gut, when

777
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 1: you get fired into a whirlwin you're doing all these things,

778
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: do you question yourself? Well, you have to. I mean

779
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: you have to look at yourself and figure out what

780
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: you could have done better. And I think the things

781
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: that I looked at were number one is as a

782
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: leader of a program, right, as the as the guy

783
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: that everyone's looking to, you have to be in control

784
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: a lot more of yourself first and then everything else.

785
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 1: If you watch me on the sidelines, I'd get on refs,

786
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: I'd get on my players like you have to be

787
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 1: you're the head of the chicken, kind of like a

788
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: point guard. You're a great point guard. You've got to

789
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 1: be under control. If you're wild and crazy at times,

790
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: your team is probably gonna be well and crazy, and

791
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: our teams were. Our teams were highly competitive, like tough, physical,

792
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: like god after it. But to get the most out

793
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: of your team, you gotta also have a certain amounticum

794
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: of control and how you deliver your messages, how you

795
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: get your point across to your team's, how you build

796
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,280
Speaker 1: a culture in terms of Yeah, I mean people always

797
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: talk about culture. I said, the best thing for cultures

798
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: get a great player. That's about all the right things.

799
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: You're gonna your culture is gonna be really good. But

800
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: as the head coach, you also have to set the

801
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: tone in terms of who you're bringing into your program

802
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: and how you're gonna coach them. So those are things

803
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: I really looked at when I talked about myself how

804
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: we would do things from a culture stand point. In

805
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: terms of building guys up and not just breaking guys down.

806
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: This isn't the seventies, eighties and even the early nineties

807
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: where you can get on guys like that. You've got

808
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 1: to be really good in your teaching, you've gotta be

809
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 1: really good in your delivery, and you've got to be

810
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: able to break guys down, but build guys up. Even

811
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: at a higher level. I think um. Working for Standard,

812
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: I learned a lot about the defensive side of the ball.

813
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: I think that made me a lot better. We weren't

814
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: very good in our defensive teams weren't very good. Our

815
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,439
Speaker 1: teams weren't very good defensively. I got better in those areas.

816
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: But I think the biggest thing was and I even

817
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: asked assistance and say, hey, you're not working for me, now,

818
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: you know what do I need? What? What could I

819
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: have done better? What? What did you struggle with? Because

820
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: we had turned up with coaches too. Quite honestly, we

821
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 1: had guys and sam Sis was a hard place to

822
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,720
Speaker 1: be an assistant coach because real estate is really expensive.

823
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: It's not like you're gonna buy a house, You're not

824
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: making a lot of money all those things. But you know,

825
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 1: I talked to coaches that I really respect and trusted

826
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: about that as well, because you have to look at

827
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: yourself and figure out how you're gonna be able to

828
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: do it better if you get another What they say, well,

829
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: they said some of the same things I just told you,

830
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: you know, like like you know, at times, your delivery

831
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: of things, guys that you recruited couldn't take it. Um,

832
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: your expectations. There's nothing wrong with having those expectations, but

833
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: you've got to be able to get us to believe

834
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 1: that we can do it, as opposed to like when

835
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: I grew up as a player, someone said, hey, you

836
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: can't shoot three and said, oh yes, I can't. Let

837
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 1: me show you. Well, you know, some kids nowadays and

838
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: even some coaches say, hey, how in the hell did

839
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: we come up with this? And this kind of important?

840
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: This isn't gonna work. This is kind of stuff to

841
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: get you fired. Right. Well, you can say that to me,

842
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: but you can't say that to coach because he's thinking

843
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: about just getting fired, as opposed to, Hey, this is

844
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: where we gotta get better. You know, we gotta know

845
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: the pick and roll coverage is coming out of a

846
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: time on how it could change, and that's gonna give

847
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 1: us a chance to be successful. I said, just those

848
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: two different deliveries, like you're not gonna kill somebody or

849
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: across somebody as a coach or a player if you

850
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: deliver it that way. And that's the way that I

851
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: grew up. I grew up with the way, Hey, you're

852
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: the most selfish player I've had in twenty seven years

853
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: of coaching, Hey, you don't play defense, You're never gonna

854
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: play here. That's what I grew up on. But that's

855
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,720
Speaker 1: not what I had. I had. I had a weekend.

856
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: I have like a you program, So I had a

857
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: weekend and my son is, uh, doesn't I have an

858
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: older team? There's they were like, thirteen is gonna be

859
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: four teams? Ever, my son wasn't on the team. He

860
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: was at summer camp and so I'm coaching party was

861
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: I was ticked because, like, what am I doing coaching

862
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: this team? Like you said, not my kid? And I like,

863
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: and I like, I've had some of these kids three

864
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: or four years, but we sprinkled in a couple of

865
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 1: other really talented kids, and I just I didn't There

866
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 1: was one kid in particular who was really selfish and

867
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 1: the dad was a problem. But I actually called the

868
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: kids in and I and there's three of them that

869
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 1: were really talented guys. The most selfish motherfucker's everywhere those

870
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: jerseys and you're thirteen years old and like you're you're

871
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 1: you're looking at me, but you're not actually listening to me,

872
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: you know, passing like you should watch this. This is

873
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: embarrassing to watch. You're just so selfish, just past the ball,

874
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: and you'd actually beat a team that you're better than,

875
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: but trying to do it by yourself, you're losing to

876
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: a team that they're playing together and you're not right.

877
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 1: And so you know, like the next week, I texted

878
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 1: one of the dads like, Hey, it's such and such coming.

879
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, I can't believe you called my

880
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: son a selfish motherfucker. And I was like, well, he

881
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: was like, it's not doesn't mean that's who he is,

882
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: that's who he's playing. Like it's like, really, yeah, we

883
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 1: just it's not how we wanted to. I was like, okay, yeah, okay,

884
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: like somebody's gonna because somebody's gonna say that you at

885
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 1: some point in your life. And you know, um so

886
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: I get it. I mean I think there's you have

887
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: to you have to get the right kids, which you

888
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: have to also evolve in it just times and just

889
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: anguage wise or whatever. Um oh, Actually I think I

890
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: always think it's funny because like, if you sit in

891
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: the locker room and guys talk to one another, this

892
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: is the language of the masses, right, this is how

893
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: we talked to one another in basketball, And yet what

894
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: a coach used the same language like no, no, no,

895
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: that's old school coach, Like that's really it's really not.

896
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: Well if you listen to just if you listen to.

897
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: Sometimes my Sun will put on some music and I'm like, oh,

898
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: it's unbelievable. Are you kidding me? Listen? Listen, this is

899
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: this is a great point, okay, because you and I

900
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: are not we're not something like you know, we're not

901
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: listening to waltz music whatever. Like I grew up with

902
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: the rapid hip hop. I think it's worse now, and

903
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why because no one because in order

904
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: to be successful, you don't need a radio version. Right. Literally,

905
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: every song you download for your kid is has the

906
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 1: E next to it. Now you can search and search

907
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,439
Speaker 1: and search for the clean version, but it's it's a lot.

908
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's worse and I'm not

909
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: and I don't. I think it's worse. I think the

910
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: language in in rapping hip hop is way worse. And

911
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: it's because everything is downloaded digitally, so you don't need

912
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: radio airplays in order to get attention. Well, I was

913
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 1: driving home. My son had a game yesterday. I'm driving

914
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: home and I had one song, Uh, bounced to the

915
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: ounce good song like it's got a good like it's

916
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: a good song, right, Um. And then the next song

917
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: comes on and I'm like, oh jeez, explicit. And then

918
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: I go to the next Oh geez, explicit like I

919
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: was like, I was like pace. Every one of these

920
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: songs is explicit, like you're lucky. I mean, you're you're

921
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 1: you're better not because I can't find It's tough for

922
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: me to find the clean version nowadays because put it

923
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 1: out explicit, the kids won't listen to it, right. So yeah,

924
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: when these kids say, oh, you know you talk to

925
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: me too harsh? Yeah, I love that way. Yeah, my son,

926
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: I did my son to a barbershop and and he

927
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 1: was like in the barbershop and they're like, oh yeah,

928
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 1: turnout the music. You got a little kids in here.

929
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 1: He's twelve. My sons like, yeah, I have this song

930
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: on my phone. We're good like you? I mean, what

931
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: am I gonna do? Um? Sam? How did how did

932
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: you live in San Francisco? Like you made a good

933
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: amount of money as head coach, but at San Francisco

934
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: did you buy? Like what did you did? They give

935
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: you an interest free loan? Like how did it work. Yeah,

936
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 1: so we lost money. My eight years in San Francisco,

937
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: we didn't make money. I'll just put it that way.

938
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: Like we we lived there because like we love San Francisco,

939
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: we love being in California. My mother was going through

940
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: things medically, so I wanted to be closer. She lived

941
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 1: in Vegas. We had a sixty forty shared appreciation loan

942
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,399
Speaker 1: at San Francisco, and that's how they made it work.

943
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: So we owned they owned forty. And then the biggest

944
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: stress of that was when we got let go. I

945
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: had to sell the house in sixty days, which ended

946
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: up not being a problem. We actually made some money

947
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: off the house and we lived ten minutes from campus.

948
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: I walked to work every day. Um, so yeah, that

949
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,240
Speaker 1: worked out fine. But that's how you make it work conception.

950
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: The biggest thing for me was my assistance. Like, if

951
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: you ever talked to Sundance Works, let him tell you

952
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 1: the story about where he was living. You know he's

953
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: now at Wyoming with Jeff Lender talked to Will Martin,

954
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 1: who's a head coach at Missouri Western, and where he

955
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: was living. I think there were roommates at the time.

956
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: So to me, I had a lot of assistants live

957
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 1: in my house. Michael Lee lived in my house for

958
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: a while, Brent Cruz lived in my house for a while.

959
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: Wyndale Raeford lived in my house for a while. So

960
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: you had to figure out how to make it work.

961
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: At first, when I got there, we had apartments, like

962
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: one apartment. Jeff Lender lived in one, which you know

963
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: was a whole different another story, because you know, he

964
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,919
Speaker 1: walks his wife's walking on campus one day and there's

965
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: a dead body, you know, on the campus, and she's

966
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: walking her two kids. But you know, we we we

967
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 1: experienced a lot of interesting things when I was at Sancisco,

968
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: but housing was always a big issue. One thing I'll

969
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: say about Samcy, I'm sure they've done a better job

970
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,760
Speaker 1: in that area. I know Scott even though he fired

971
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: me and I needed to probably needed to be fired.

972
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: And I think my wife is right, I needed to

973
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: figure out some things to become a better coach. But

974
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: the schedule has gotten a lot better. I mean, Todd

975
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,720
Speaker 1: has done a good job. I kind of watched from afar,

976
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: but I think they've left home maybe twice. Those things

977
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: make a difference, you know, And and and so the

978
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: office is my last year of office has got redone,

979
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: which is really nice. They've redone. They're they're they're redoing

980
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: everything there, which is like, you know, thirty years forty

981
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: years uh after they should have know. And I mean

982
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: they're they're even I've talked to they're even honest about it.

983
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: I Matt played. It's funny. I've played in the Golden

984
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: State Tournament in some tournam or whatever. We played San

985
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 1: Francisco was in sixth grade. We wanted and I was like,

986
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: that place is a dungeon. That was my only I've

987
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: been there like once. I was like, that place, it's

988
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: the worst I've ever like, it was like the land

989
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: that time forgot, Like yeah, you could actually see you

990
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: can actually feel like Bill Russell and Casey Jones played here,

991
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: because it feels like Bill Russell and Casey Jones just

992
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: played here. Right, That's how dingy it was. And the

993
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: they're playing home games is People always said this about

994
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 1: Kent State in the mat right, why was Kent State

995
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: forever the best program in the map, Like because they

996
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: bought more games than everybody else, you know, it was

997
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: it was really that That's why they won twenty games.

998
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 1: You buy two more wins than everybody else, and you're

999
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: gonna win twenty games more more more often. Um, it

1000
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: is about it is about investment. Um okay, So you

1001
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 1: go coaching the G League. How different is it? You

1002
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 1: mentioned how you get onto players, but in terms of

1003
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: schematic like I went to a Miles Simon's my best

1004
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 1: friend in basketball. We played together since fifth grade and

1005
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: I watched him coach one. He's awesome. But to like

1006
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: second shot clock, you're basically you. They got to get

1007
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: into it and then they you just kind of gotta

1008
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: let them play and give them a framework. And then

1009
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: every once in a while, you know, when they're not

1010
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: playing well, you call a set or you call an io,

1011
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: you know, and then you do your magic really after

1012
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 1: your time outs or on dead balls. What was that

1013
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: like for you to go from you're coaching in San Francisco.

1014
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: You have a system, you have eight guys, recruit them too.

1015
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: Now you've got the turnstyle thing in the G League

1016
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: where guys are getting called up, getting cut and it's

1017
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: harder to coach because you have to just let them

1018
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: play with the twenty four second shot. Yeah, so you

1019
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: gotta you have to control what you can control and

1020
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 1: there's certain things you can control. You can control in

1021
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: terms of transition defense, and that being an emphasis of

1022
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna eliminate the ram, we're gonna protect the paint,

1023
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 1: and we're gonna close out and you gotta you are,

1024
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: which you emphasize. So that was a big thing that

1025
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: we really worked on and tried to emphasize working on closeouts.

1026
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: I think you're right about letting them play, but you've

1027
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: got to give them a framework, and you talked about

1028
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 1: that a framework of Hey, this is how we're gonna

1029
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: play the game. These are the actions that we're looking for.

1030
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: This is the spacing that we want. Here are the

1031
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,439
Speaker 1: cutting actions. Here are the screening actions that we want.

1032
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,280
Speaker 1: I think a t O s are really really important

1033
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 1: in that league because you're always looking to get momentum.

1034
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: So after if you're in the time out really trying

1035
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: to diagram something, you're gonna get a quality look too. Again,

1036
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: give guys confidence, give guys, get guys quality looks. When

1037
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: if you get Jordan Crawford, who was a great player

1038
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: at Xavier, if you get him open look, it's going

1039
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: in like it's you can do that San Francisco. It

1040
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: might be an airball, like you don't know what's gonna

1041
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 1: happen with that. That's interest in professional basketball in college past.

1042
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: You get a guy, guys open, it's gonna make yeah,

1043
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,439
Speaker 1: no question. So you know, those are things you've gotta

1044
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: be really good. You've gotta be good in your A

1045
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: T O s, You've got to be good in your

1046
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: pick and roll coverage, calls, your your timing in terms

1047
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: of how much time you have to teach and coach,

1048
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: you gotta be really good because you're gonna get about

1049
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: forty five minutes to an hour in terms of practice

1050
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: because you're playing so many games, right, and then your

1051
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: film work has to be really really good both individually.

1052
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 1: We had each coach had about four players, which I

1053
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: think I would I would work in college to a

1054
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: to a certain extent, but also your delivery in terms

1055
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: of film that you use to show your team. So

1056
00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: I think that's the thing. The biggest thing that I

1057
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: learned is just the use of time. You've got to

1058
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: really really be good with your use of time of

1059
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: what you're showing them, what you're gonna teach, how you're

1060
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: gonna gain momentum right, and things that you can control

1061
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: in terms of what you can take away as a

1062
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 1: defensive coach. So that's why you know, I watched I

1063
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 1: watched a lot of NBA basketball because you can still

1064
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,439
Speaker 1: learn so many things and just how guys play the game,

1065
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: the things that they emphasize, the things that they're gonna

1066
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: take away. And you know, it also helps when you

1067
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: have good players. I mean that, there's no question your

1068
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: success is always going to be determined by the level

1069
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: of talents and buying that you have from your guys. Okay,

1070
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: so now what's next for you? Like, you've done seven

1071
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 1: years as an NBA player, You've played at the very

1072
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 1: highest level of college basketball. You've been a head coach

1073
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:50,280
Speaker 1: for ten years, decade of head coaching success in college basketball.

1074
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: You're connected with the Carolina family, have done the NBA

1075
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: assistant thing as well. So you have, like you checked,

1076
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 1: check the check the box boxes of all this different stuff.

1077
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 1: But you have, you know, thirty more years to do

1078
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: what you want to do. What do you want to do? Uh?

1079
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: You know? Right now, I'm calling games for Oakland University,

1080
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: so I go both there on the men's and women's side.

1081
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: I've got a few games I'm gonna call on radio,

1082
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: which which I'm looking forward to to do that. I'm

1083
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: trying to work on some of the media things on

1084
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: that side, but also keep my eye out as you

1085
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 1: get to March and you hate to see guys lose jobs,

1086
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: and you know because I've been there and I know

1087
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: what that's like. But if the right opportunity comes up,

1088
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: I'd like to do that again. I think I have

1089
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,439
Speaker 1: things that I want to show that I can still

1090
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: do uh and do better than I did the first

1091
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 1: time as a I would like to think a guy

1092
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 1: at fifty one is gonna be a heck of a

1093
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: lot better coach and have learned an awful lot than

1094
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: he went in his thirty four thirty five, So that's

1095
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: a possibility. We really love living in Michigan. I get

1096
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: to see all of my son's games, which is the

1097
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: first time I've seen. I have a senior in high

1098
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 1: school right now. I think I've seen a total of

1099
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: eight of his high school games, and two of them

1100
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 1: have been in the last you know, two weeks, So

1101
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: that's been fun for me. My middle schooler, I've got

1102
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: to see all of his games. I really didn't get

1103
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 1: to see him play, so that's fun. I'm blessed and

1104
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: fortunate we've done well financially, but I do think the

1105
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: game still calls me and I would be interested at

1106
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: the right opportunity came up. And if not, I do like,

1107
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 1: you know, watching good commentators guys that I can listen to.

1108
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: I listened to your podcast with Doctors, which was Alaric.

1109
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 1: You guys were very funny and very direct in some

1110
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 1: of your beliefs, which I thought was really funny. But

1111
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: I enjoyed calling games as well, so that might be

1112
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 1: something if I can get my foot into some different doors.

1113
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: How did your Your oldest one is is ACR younger

1114
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: one is Gunner. Gunner is the senior Ace is the

1115
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: seventh creator. Okay, how good Gunner? Gunners good? He's a

1116
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 1: good player. He had he had seventeen and eight the

1117
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: other night, you know, points and assists. They've got a

1118
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: nice team there two and oh right now. This is

1119
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 1: his fourth high school though. That's a tough thing for him,

1120
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: is recruitment. He's got some schools that are looking at him,

1121
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 1: which is nice. He wants to play at some level. Um,

1122
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,399
Speaker 1: he's a good player. He's he's he's fun to watch

1123
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: and and aces really because of his older brother I

1124
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: think that's really helped him, you know, really fall in

1125
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 1: love with the game. So it's been fun to watch

1126
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: both of them play. So is he a Division one

1127
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: player hen a Division one player? I think he's definitely.

1128
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: I think he can definitely play Division one basketball and

1129
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: be a good player. I compare him to guys that

1130
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: I had. You know, he reminds me of Frankie Ferrari,

1131
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: who transferred from ME. I recruit him as a freshman,

1132
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 1: end up being All West Coast Conference player man Frankie. Uh,

1133
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,720
Speaker 1: Frankie thought he should play a lot as a freshman sophomore,

1134
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 1: he wasn't quite ready, but when he was a junior senior,

1135
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: he was a heck of a player. Um Cody Doling's

1136
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: the guy that lets me is wet. He reminds me

1137
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,919
Speaker 1: a little bit of Cody um Cody left his senior year,

1138
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: So you know, those are the type of guys that

1139
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: that I think he reminds me of. He just he's

1140
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: five eleven, he's a hundred and sixty pounds, soaking wet.

1141
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 1: But I sent a picture to him the other night

1142
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: because Steph when he broke the record, Steph with playing

1143
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 1: the pro am and I got a picture of him.

1144
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 1: He's snuck in the picture with Steph. Curus said, if

1145
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 1: you want to congratulate Steph, tell him you're gunning for

1146
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: him because you're you're a five eleven hundred sixty pound guys.

1147
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: So we'll see what happens. He's fun to watch though,

1148
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: and then the younger one, and then what about eight

1149
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: that we'll see seventh grade, you know, like right now,

1150
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 1: he's different than said I got seventh grade squad, Like, yeah,

1151
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: he's about five five nine five ten bigger than everyone else. Yeah, yeah,

1152
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: so we'll see how much he grows. He's different than Gunner,

1153
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: but Gunner has been a good influence. He had seventeen

1154
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,800
Speaker 1: about thirteen minutes, Yester. That was really shocked when I

1155
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 1: looked at the numbers. I can't yell at him, you know,

1156
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:41,879
Speaker 1: during the game, I gotta take notes, and I sent

1157
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: them notes afterwards. I was like, you've got seventeen points

1158
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: about thirteen minutes, So, um, we'll see. But I think

1159
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: you love the game, you know what I mean. I

1160
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: gotta if these guys love the game, they'll they'll find

1161
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: a way to make it work. And Gunner definitely does.

1162
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 1: I think Ace is still urged to tell, but but

1163
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: he really does enjoy it. Do you stantly worked with

1164
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: him or or do you stay stay away from it

1165
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: because it's it's too hard. Gunner I worked a lot

1166
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: with him and Addie who played divisional and basketball, worked

1167
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: a lot with her Drew as well, who walked on

1168
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 1: at Stitts and was a pretty good player. So yeah,

1169
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: I do. I mean, it's high school season right now,

1170
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: so probably not as much. But it's funny. All the

1171
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: stuff that I that we work on a lot of

1172
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 1: it I stole from John b. Line. We stole that

1173
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: when I was in Detroit. All his all his um

1174
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: fundamental ball handling, passing and in shooting and stuff. I mean,

1175
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: we stole a lot of that stuff from him. So

1176
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: and you can tell when Gunner plays he's at least

1177
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 1: been taught some some pretty good things. Last thing, um,

1178
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: most impressive guy you coached against who no one would like,

1179
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: they don't like, you know, obviously, everybody brings down a

1180
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: big name you coached in the G League, coached in

1181
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: college basketball, various levis. Give me a guy who just

1182
00:56:55,800 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: really impressed you I coached against. Wow, that's a that's

1183
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 1: a really good question. You're talking about the NBA level

1184
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: whatever you want, just somebody who pops out as you're like, man,

1185
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:13,919
Speaker 1: you know what that guys, he's really good. Yeah, man,

1186
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 1: he really sent me. That's a that's a tough one

1187
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 1: because I'm one of those coaches that kind of like

1188
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 1: picks guys apart. Yeah, no, I I get it, like

1189
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 1: they got put sometimes to our guys that really impressed you.

1190
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 1: You know, you know there was a guy that that

1191
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: really never made it to the league and he played

1192
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: with Patty Mills and just off the top min Mickey McConnell.

1193
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: People on the West Coast will know, right. I think

1194
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 1: he's an assistant St. Mary's. Yeah, like he he was,

1195
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: you know, he was going to he was going to

1196
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: New Mexico and he was gonna play for UM. Well

1197
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 1: am I forgetting the head coach at Liberty, Um, you

1198
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: know what you're talking about. He was the head coach

1199
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: in New Mexico. He gets fired and they got they

1200
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: got him late at St. Mary's. Like he's an unbelievable player, Yeah,

1201
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: really good. Like it's funny. When he started out, we

1202
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: were game planning. We thought we could take things away

1203
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: from him and just like Delavadova, and Patty Mills. We

1204
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 1: knew about those guys, you know what I mean, You

1205
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: knew about those guys. With Mickey, you could like we

1206
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: game planned and he would figure out the game plan

1207
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 1: and just attack it. And I was and Randy get

1208
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: some credit for that too, but I was like, goodness gracious, like, okay,

1209
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: we're gonna play him in a drop, We're gonna force

1210
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: him this direction. You know, we're gonna make him finish

1211
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: at the rim. And he would always figure out ways

1212
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: to beat us, and so, uh, you know, don't like

1213
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: giving St. Mary's a lot of love, but uh, he

1214
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: was a guy that people in national wat nationwide wouldn't

1215
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 1: necessarily think, but he was a really good college player.

1216
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: I'd have to think about the G League. There's a

1217
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: lot of good players in the G League that it's funny,

1218
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 1: like guys that couldn't make it in the NBA. There

1219
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 1: was a guy that played for Sue Falls and made it,

1220
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: made it with Golden State for a little bit and

1221
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: not from getting what his name was, but he was

1222
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 1: a great leader, couldn't shoot it, but just figured out

1223
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 1: ways to win. And those are always guys I really

1224
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: enjoy watching and even coaching against I'll look his name

1225
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 1: up and i'll tex it to you. All right, So

1226
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: let's let's do this. Let's let's table this, and then

1227
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 1: sometime mid year we'll just you'll you'll send me a

1228
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 1: couple of uh NBA teams you want to talk about

1229
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 1: and some of the college stuff you want to talk about,

1230
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: and we'll revisit it then. But the meantime, you've been

1231
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 1: more than gracious for your time. I really appreciate it.

1232
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 1: And uh, this is awesome and it's an amazing journey

1233
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: right like you're fifty one, you got thirty more years

1234
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: left to figure out what you want to do and hoop.

1235
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 1: I appreciate now, I've been really blessed. I've never I

1236
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: haven't worked a day in my life, but I like

1237
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: to say I worked really hard. So I appreciate you

1238
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: letting me come on. I've always we've known each other

1239
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: from Afar, We've we've crossed paths a few times, and

1240
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 1: so uh, and I like to show like I guess

1241
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: the doctors shows funny like doctor just just crazy, you know,

1242
00:59:55,640 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 1: and you're he's he's in, he's in. Uh, brother, thanks

1243
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 1: thanks for joining me, and have a great, great day,

1244
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: all right, man, take care than you. Amazing stuff. Right now,

1245
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: you feel like you totally know a guy. You have

1246
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 1: a completely different sense. I mean, I did know that

1247
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 1: his mom was Japanese, had no idea that most of

1248
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 1: his friends were from that background growing up in San Jose,

1249
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 1: did you? Of course not. I remember the Northwestern thing.

1250
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: I didn't know why he transferred. I didn't know a

1251
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 1: lot of the stuff about playing for Roy Williams, and

1252
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 1: I definitely didn't know how he got into coaching. And

1253
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 1: I was intrigued to hear why he felt like it

1254
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: didn't work out in San Francisco and why he left

1255
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: Lord Atlantic for San Francisco. That's great stuff. Rex has

1256
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: told me he'll you'll join me. We'll talk more basketball analysis,

1257
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 1: both NBA, which of course he's coached in and college

1258
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 1: throughout the season. But I really appreciate all the time

1259
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 1: you spent. I appreciate the time you spend downloading as well.

1260
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: Remember the Doug Godlip Shows daily three to six Eastern

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Speaker 1: Cultrough Pacific. You can download that as a podcast as well. Um,

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Speaker 1: we're open to him. Send it in a d M

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Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed it. My thanks to Rex Walters. I'm

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