1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental health podcast 2 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: helping you out of the gray and into the blue. 3 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: Now here's Jay Glacier saving again. 4 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Unbreakable, a mental health podcast with Jay Glazer. 5 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,639 Speaker 2: And if you're like many people, you may be surprised 6 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 2: to learn that one in five adults in this country 7 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 2: experienced mental illness last year, yet far too many fell 8 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 2: to receive the support they need. Carolyn behavior Health is 9 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 2: doing something about it. They understand that behavior health is 10 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 2: a key part of whole hell, delivering compassionate care that 11 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 2: treats physical, mental, emotional, and social needs and tandem Carolin 12 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 2: behavioral health raising the quality of life through empathy and action. 13 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 2: So you heard me talk about Carolyn there, and they 14 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 2: are the title sponsor of this show. And I'm not 15 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 2: the type who just has a title sponsor and says, oh, 16 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 2: let's just take the money and that's that. Anybody we 17 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 2: do a sponsorship deal with, I'm going to make sure 18 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 2: I believe it. I want to make sure I really 19 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 2: understand what they're doing and that they can help me 20 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 2: or help the world. So in doing this deal with Carolyn, 21 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 2: we said, hey, let's have some people from Carolyn on 22 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 2: so we can understand really where they can help us, 23 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 2: what they actually do, but also where they could help us, 24 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 2: so you know where they're able to help all of us. 25 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 2: We're talking about the mental health approach here, but they 26 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 2: take a whole holistic approach or all body approach to 27 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 2: helping people. So with that, I'm going to bring in 28 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 2: their chief medical officer, doctor Jim Polo. How are you, Jim? Hey, 29 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 2: I'm doing well. Jay. 30 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:32,839 Speaker 3: How are you today? 31 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 2: Good to him? Gray Man living the Drains. Just got 32 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 2: back from a little trip to Atlanta where I was 33 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 2: helping out working with some combat vets. I know you're 34 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,119 Speaker 2: a combat vet as well, right, Yes, that's correct. Would 35 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 2: you serve and win? Wow? Well, I spent total of 36 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 2: twenty nine years in the Army. Wow. I deployed multiple times. 37 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 3: Deployed in Bosnia in support of a customer crisis, I 38 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 3: deployed to Honduras during the Haiti crisis, and I also 39 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 3: deployed to Iraq for a full year in two thousand 40 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 3: and seven. 41 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 2: My god, that's quite a career there. And you know, 42 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 2: I we're with a lot of you know, veterans transition, 43 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 2: a lot of them like you have a chief medical 44 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 2: officer here, you've done great. For a lot of them struggle. 45 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 2: They don't know how to use what they've done in 46 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 2: the military to have it to quate for their next 47 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 2: step in life. How are you able to do that? Yeah, 48 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 2: that's you know, that is so true. 49 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 3: I got lucky. And let me tell what I mean 50 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 3: by that. I mean I spent my year, my career 51 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 3: in the Army as a physician, so obviously my skills 52 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 3: were easily translatable when I left the service. Now, it 53 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 3: doesn't mean I didn't like have difficulties leaving army, and 54 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 3: it didn't mean that I didn't have difficulties with some 55 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 3: of my experiences, but at least from an occupational perspective, 56 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 3: I knew where I was going to be going. But 57 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 3: we have many young veterans, many young soldiers that have 58 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 3: skills that are really critical for the army, but those 59 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 3: skills aren't necessarily translatable into the savingian world. 60 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 2: It's tough or But here's the thing. I think a 61 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 2: lot of them, I think you can relate a lot 62 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 2: they just don't know how to, you know, So if 63 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 2: you've done some wild stuff overseas, no matter what you're 64 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 2: good in chaos. Right, if you have taking care of 65 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 2: your brother and your sister and your right or you left, 66 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 2: you're accountable. Right, if you know you show up on top, 67 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 2: you have structure. So there are a lot of skills 68 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 2: that are vets have. They just don't talk about it. Yet, 69 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 2: not only do you not know how to talk about it, 70 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 2: you're told not to talk about it. You're told to 71 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 2: keep it down right, don't say anything when everybody else 72 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 2: is lying on their resume. You guys go the other 73 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 2: way and really minimize it and don't talk about it 74 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 2: at all. 75 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 3: You know, that's that attitude of want need to be 76 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 3: strong and really being able to handle anything and everything. Now, 77 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 3: i'd be honest to tell you that the you know, 78 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 3: the service leadership for all of the services, Army, Air, Force, Navy, 79 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 3: I mean, they're trying to combat that. They're trying to 80 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 3: really fight against that idea that everybody has to be 81 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 3: strong and you can never have a problem and you 82 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 3: cannot be defective. But that's still hard to get through 83 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 3: the folks because you know, when you're in the service, 84 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 3: people are counting on you for important stuff and you've 85 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 3: got to be strong to be able to handle that 86 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 3: and so sometimes when folks can't, they don't want to 87 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 3: come forward. 88 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 2: Well again, so now you're in a position where you 89 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 2: could really help people out and get people obviously talk 90 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 2: a lot about mental health and open up more about 91 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 2: mental health, which was again the opposite of what we're 92 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 2: talking about in the military of you know, keep it 93 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 2: in your dirt, you know, show it and look, I'm 94 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 2: to blame when I trade my fighters and football players. Man, 95 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 2: don't over show your hurt, don't never show you're tired. 96 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 2: And now me and talking about mental health, I'm like, no, 97 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 2: let's let's go complete one eddy or show it all 98 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 2: and you know, be as vulnerable as you can and 99 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 2: talk about The more we can talk about it, the 100 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 2: more it's going to help us. How hard was that 101 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 2: for you to kind of brask and wrap your head 102 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 2: out to change you approach things? And where are you 103 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 2: now with? Yeah? That that that was hard. 104 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 3: You know, I'll tell you the story. I'll just tell 105 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 3: you a story that maybe I won't outline it a 106 00:04:58,600 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 3: lot better than. 107 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 4: Me, you know, describing it. 108 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 3: I spent most of two thousand and seven part of 109 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 3: two thousand and six in Iraq, and I was in 110 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 3: Mosul right near the air base where the hospital was, 111 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 3: and we were getting shelved for about four months. 112 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 2: Every day every other day. 113 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 3: There might be two three days where we weren't getting shelled. 114 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 3: And luckily, the you know, the insertions that were shelling 115 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 3: us were really they were bad. They couldn't aim well, 116 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 3: they had you know, defective mortar, so it wasn't really 117 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 3: causing a lot of damage. But there was this constant 118 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 3: like booming in the background that was erratic. You never 119 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 3: know when it was going to come next, sometimes in 120 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 3: the middle of the night. One time we did have 121 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 3: a shelling that actually landed very near the hospital and 122 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 3: we had a couple of folks that were injured with shrap. 123 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 4: No luckily no one died. Okay, Now I had a mission. 124 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 3: Every day, I was focused on the work I needed 125 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 3: to do, you know, managing a hospital, you know, flying 126 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 3: all over the sector that I was in charge of. 127 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 3: That experience kind of just went into the background. When 128 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 3: I got back afterwards, I was irritable. 129 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 4: I was frustrated. 130 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 3: I would find myself wanting to do things quickly without 131 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 3: realizing why I wanted. 132 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 4: To do them quickly. 133 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 3: And one of the things that was most disturbing to 134 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 3: me was. I became very reactive to any loud noise, 135 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 3: slammed or a drop book, I would just like shake. 136 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 3: And I was in meetings where this would happen and 137 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 3: I would be like kind of embarrassed, okay, and it 138 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 3: wasn't going away, and I finally had to reach out 139 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 3: to somebody myself. I'm atrist. I had to reach out 140 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 3: to somebody and say, hey, I'm having some struggles here. 141 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 3: I'm not really sure what it is, and I don't 142 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 3: think I have PTSD because I'm too strong for that. 143 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 3: And truth be told, I don't think I had anything 144 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 3: that was major in terms of saying, oh, yeah, I'm 145 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 3: I've got PTSD and I'm unable to work. But I 146 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 3: was struggling for a long period of time, impacting my relationships, 147 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 3: particularly with my wife, and I really had to kind 148 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 3: of face it and deal with and first of all, 149 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 3: just accept the fact that I was as vulnerable as 150 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 3: anybody else. Didn't have anything to do with strength, didn't 151 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 3: have anything to do with knowledge. It's just that experience 152 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 3: that was overwhelming. And of course, as a commander on 153 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 3: the battlefield, I couldn't show that ever in front of 154 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 3: my soldiers, and so it came out afterwards. 155 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 2: So, now, like I said, you're twenty nine years there 156 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 2: and now you're the chief medical officer here at Charlyn. 157 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 2: Tell me you guys do a whole person approach. We 158 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 2: talk a lot about mental health here, right, what's the 159 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 2: whole person mean? 160 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 3: So the whole person really means looking at the individual 161 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 3: considering both their physical health and their emotional mental well 162 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 3: being all together. So I'll just give you a very 163 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 3: simple example. 164 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 2: Cancer. 165 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 3: If you have cancer, you clearly have a physical disease 166 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 3: that is potentially going to hurt you. But I don't 167 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 3: know anybody with cancer that's not also afraid and worried 168 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 3: and anxious. 169 00:07:57,960 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 4: About what the future holds for them. 170 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 3: You got to be able to treat not only their cancer, 171 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 3: but you've got to be able to treat their anxiety 172 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 3: of dealing with cancer. That's the holistic approach. And if 173 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 3: you think about it, our emotions are tied to everything 174 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 3: we face in life, every medical condition, every struggle within relationship, 175 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 3: every problem that we run into with finances. I mean, 176 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 3: our emotions are never far away from where we are. 177 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 2: So what do you guys do that's different than other companies. 178 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 3: Well, one of the first things that we're doing is 179 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 3: we're taking a holistic approach first of all, when we 180 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 3: consider how we look at the entire population. So how 181 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 3: do we think first in terms of helping build resilience. Okay, 182 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 3: what are the things that we can do to help 183 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 3: get people prepared for the fact that they might have 184 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 3: difficulties in life. What are the things that we can 185 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 3: do to screen early find people that are struggling, and 186 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 3: then when we do, how do we help them get 187 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 3: to treatment sooner rather than later. I'll tell you an 188 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 3: alarming statistic. You highlighted that one in five in the 189 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 3: country right now, you know struggle at some level with 190 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 3: some kind of a mental health problem or diagnosis. And 191 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 3: that doesn't mean that they're dysfunctional, and it doesn't mean 192 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 3: they can't work. It just means they're struggling and help 193 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 3: would help them. Here's another statistic for you. The average 194 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 3: delay for folks that have a serious mental illness to 195 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 3: diagnosis in this country. 196 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 4: It's about ten years. 197 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 3: And in fact, seventy percent of all people that have 198 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 3: a chronic mental illness it started in childhood. 199 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, absolutely, Childhood trauma's real and the effect that 200 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 2: we have as kids and if you're not abused or something. 201 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 2: Things happened more we're grown up. That affects us that 202 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 2: nowadays I think loost. I think nowadays those things affect 203 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 2: us more than they ever did. Hey, you know, with 204 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 2: social media out there, I just did a talk in 205 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 2: front of seventy five or seventy four more clinicians like 206 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 2: yourself than me. Okay, so I say, listen, everybody here 207 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 2: is qualified and talk about mental health. You're qualified talk 208 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 2: about it because you're schooling. I'm qualified to talk about 209 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 2: it because I suffer. So what the difference is a 210 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 2: lot of the school that everybody went through, they went 211 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 2: through it before the cell phones were thing and Instagram 212 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 2: and Facebook and TikTok and Twitter, and that has just 213 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 2: affected our mental health. It's such a huge, huge way. 214 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 2: Where have you seen. Look, we're saying one in five. 215 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 2: I think it's four and five. I think it's way 216 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 2: higher than that. 217 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting the pandemic brought that out a 218 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 3: little bit. I mean, when we say one in five 219 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 3: twenty percent of the population suffers from some kind of 220 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 3: an emotional ongoing problem, that statistic actually is held for 221 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 3: a long time. 222 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 2: You know, that's who admits it. The problem is that 223 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 2: people don't admit it. Correct. 224 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 3: So what happened during the pandemic, and this was partly 225 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 3: done from the work from the Kaiser Family Foundation, fifty 226 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 3: percent of the individuals of adults were reporting struggling with 227 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 3: their emotions, struggling with their with their feelings, struggling with 228 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 3: what was going on, and they were validated in a 229 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 3: way that they were interviewed where that fifty percent was 230 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 3: technically potentially diagnosable, much higher than our traditional you know, 231 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 3: one in five. I think what's important to say is 232 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 3: that when folks are struggling, it doesn't mean they're crazy, 233 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 3: it doesn't mean they're dysfunctional. It means that they have 234 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,559 Speaker 3: something that's weighing on them, that's affecting their day to 235 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 3: day existence. 236 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 2: And I think in the past where you're able to 237 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 2: deal with that a lot better. You know, it wasn't 238 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 2: it wasn't kind of thrown in your face if you 239 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 2: weren't looking at everybody else and seeing their filtered fraction 240 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 2: of a second online having a thrown in your face 241 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 2: thinking man, I'm just not doing. 242 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 5: Well enough compared to everybody else, sir, or the well 243 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,439 Speaker 5: we see on Twitter. You know, so, Jay, you're pointing 244 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 5: out something that's really critical. And I worry about the 245 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 5: younger generations. I mean, their whole lives are on display. 246 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 3: Yes, you know, you know, before social media took over, 247 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 3: and before you could have instant you know everything, instant messaging, 248 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 3: instant pictures, instant conversations, at least if you were struggling, 249 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 3: there was some semblance of you could control the audience 250 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 3: for that, so to speak, okay, And with social media 251 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 3: these days, it's all out there, right, And while social 252 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 3: connections can be positive through social media, it doesn't necessarily 253 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:09,079 Speaker 3: mean that it doesn't have an impact sometimes when it doesn't. 254 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 4: Go off of folks. 255 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 2: Also, in the past, if something you had a bad day, 256 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 2: you can go home and shake it off. There's no 257 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 2: going home and shaking it off anymore because everyone's at 258 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 2: your home on Twitter. We're on Instagram, right, So it's like, 259 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 2: you know, look, we got our butts checked in the playground. 260 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 2: Growing up, it sucked for a month, right, right, That 261 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 2: was terrible for a month, But now we're get our 262 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 2: butts tiered a thousand times a second. It's not getting 263 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 2: away from it. 264 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 3: I think of young kids that are bullied at school 265 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 3: and then they got home and they're cyber bullied online. 266 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 2: Hell, I'm cyber bullied online, not just that. It's all 267 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 2: of us. Yeah, but you can handle it. I don't 268 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 2: know about that. Man, not so much. Hey, my wallet's 269 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 2: not an antidepressant. I get session of these things. So 270 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 2: here's the other thing. We're talking about. How many people 271 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 2: need this help. But dude talk, that's where we need 272 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 2: to help, like men, like, hey, we're talking about one 273 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 2: in five, and that's what people said it right. But 274 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 2: I was surprised when I wrote my book I'm Breakable. 275 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 2: I thought it's gonna be all the dudes are going 276 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 2: to get it because it was football and fighting Mitch 277 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 2: martial arts and ballarts and all that. But it was 278 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 2: like predominantly women because they are the vulnerable ones. They're 279 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 2: the ones all yeah, okay, I have this too. I 280 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 2: can use this for some help. I could use the 281 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 2: words he's given us as a guy to help my 282 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 2: husband or my son, or my kids or myself. Where 283 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 2: dudes still act like now, I don't need to. 284 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 3: It's interesting because there are gender differences between. 285 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 2: Men and women. 286 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 3: You know, men are socialized to believe they should be 287 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 3: strong and furthermore, they should be taking care of whatever 288 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 3: is in front of them. It's a lot harder sometimes 289 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 3: for men to admit I'm struggling, I'm not happy, I'm depressed. 290 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 3: That's a hard thing to really admit, not only to yourself, 291 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 3: but definitely to other people outside. 292 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, look, listen. I don't know if I was shocked, 293 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 2: it probably was. But when I started opening up to 294 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 2: my friends about this by depression and anxiety, it's really 295 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 2: opening up, Like man, the beast, guy out of the box. 296 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 2: To night, I can't go to dinner. Every one of 297 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:06,719 Speaker 2: my friends has joked aboard like, hey, we got you, 298 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 2: we got you. Like. It's made me closer for my friends, 299 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 2: not push them away, and nobody said oh stop Jay 300 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 2: enough like And that's probably been the biggest lesson I 301 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 2: can learn and also give to people like, no one's 302 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 2: gonna push you awhere. They want to help you. Give 303 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 2: us some lessons that you could be part of the 304 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 2: world there to help deal with their mental health. 305 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 3: You know. One of the things that I think is 306 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 3: really important, and it relates to exactly what you you 307 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 3: just said. You've shared your story and people rallied around 308 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 3: you when we're struggling and we don't share it with 309 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 3: other people. We're struggling alone, We're suffering in silence. It's 310 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 3: tempting to believe that we're the only ones. Do you 311 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 3: talk to somebody, you share a little bit about what's 312 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 3: going on. First of all, they're there, they're with you, 313 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 3: they understand. More often than not, you find out you're 314 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 3: not the only one. Hey, I've struggled too. Hey I'm 315 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 3: struggling right now as well. And suddenly you don't feel 316 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 3: so alone and just unburdening yourself of getting some of 317 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 3: that stuff out there. It's not like you need a solution, 318 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 3: you just need somebody to understand and validate that. Yeah, 319 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 3: you're struggling, now, what can we do to help? 320 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 4: Okay, so just. 321 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 3: Getting it out is the first step to being able 322 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 3: to get better. But that's the hardest step for all 323 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 3: of us. 324 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. You guys also deal with a lot with 325 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 2: people who are going through sobistance abuse issues. Yes, has, 326 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 2: and it's always obviously been there. Do you see a 327 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 2: difference before and after COVID? 328 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 6: Is it just so you know, it's very interesting studies 329 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 6: have been done about this. Anytime we have any kind 330 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 6: of a disaster, there's always an uptick of substance use. 331 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 6: And you know, one of the things about substance is 332 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 6: it's cheap and easy to get, in fact, during the pandemic, 333 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 6: delivered right to your door by you know, Amazon, So 334 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 6: you know what wit. 335 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 7: You caed what I didn't know about that, So so 336 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 7: you know, the way I looked at it is, Remember, 337 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 7: when people are using substances of any kind where it's 338 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 7: problematic for them, they're usually doing it for one of 339 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 7: two reasons. 340 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 3: They're feeling something that they don't want to feel, or 341 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 3: they're not feeling something that they do want to feel, 342 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 3: and that's what the substance does for them. Unfortunately, there's 343 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 3: a consequence if you misuse, you know, and there's a 344 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 3: consequence if he caet addicted. But typically what we see 345 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 3: after disasters is months down the line we see an 346 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 3: uptick of not only use, but if people that are 347 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 3: having significant difficulties with addiction. 348 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 2: Hey, and you guys provide services with that as well. 349 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 4: Absolutely absolutely. 350 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 3: In the field of behavioral health, that generally includes all 351 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 3: of those things that we refer to as mental health, depression, anxiety, 352 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 3: and so forth, and then all of those things related 353 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 3: to substance use. 354 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 2: So you know the other reason I'm trying to do 355 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 2: this podcast to obviously help the world, help give words 356 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 2: to mental health, so we could have this conversation. You know, 357 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 2: we see mental health, but really who gives it words? Right? 358 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 2: We need to have the words to talk to our 359 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 2: friends and our therapists, and our our sons and daughters 360 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 2: and parents and coworkers and every But the other reason 361 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,199 Speaker 2: I'm doing this is the suicide rate this country is 362 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 2: just alarming. Man, It's just not okay. We're recallinge right, 363 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 2: and it's it's almost this power suggestion now where everybody 364 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 2: and I think it happens in the military too, with 365 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 2: twenty two vets a day, childremseelves that it's just not okay. 366 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 2: People are in so much pain and then they see 367 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:23,199 Speaker 2: somebody else kill themselves and they go, Wow, everybody's coming out. 368 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 2: They're loving Johnny, They're missing Johnny. Well, I'm in so 369 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,239 Speaker 2: much pain. I want to get love too. I'm going 370 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 2: to do the same thing. And it's just become such 371 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 2: an an epidemic of I think, different proportions than it's 372 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 2: ever been. 373 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 3: You have the second leading cause of death in young 374 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 3: in young Americans today. Really, well, the Inuicide is something 375 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 3: that's always been with us and we haven't always paid 376 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 3: attention to it. Suicide is, ultimately it's an escape, and 377 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 3: when people are suffering and they're not thinking well and 378 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 3: they just want to get a pain, sometimes death seems attractive, 379 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 3: and that's when they can sometimes lead to an event 380 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 3: that will lead to supside. And the challenge is it's 381 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 3: a very permanent solution, usually to a problem that really 382 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 3: isn't but you don't know that in the moment because 383 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 3: you're not really sinking clearly. So we've got to do 384 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 3: a better job of helping people off the edge so 385 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 3: that they're not at that crisis point where that seems 386 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 3: like the only alternative for them. 387 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really difficult. I have a guy named Kevin 388 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 2: Hines on this show who jumped off the Golden Gate 389 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 2: Bridge and survived. We said the moment I jumped, and 390 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 2: he said, there are other survivors. Every one of them 391 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 2: said the moment they jumped, they immediately regretted it. Yep. 392 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 2: There's no takebacks though, you know. 393 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 3: And so I have never, ever, never had a patient 394 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 3: that attempted, and I've had many that have that have said, 395 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 3: oh I wish I would have succeeded. 396 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 4: They've always had some semblance of regret. 397 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 3: Ironically, I've had some that have tried a second time 398 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 3: later on and they've come back to say, Yeah, what 399 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 3: happened to me? I didn't get it the second time either. 400 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 8: So we don't always know what's going on in the moment, 401 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 8: but we have to help create systems of care that 402 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 8: help get people away from those moments of impulsivity. 403 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 2: I try and tell people, listen, you got to lean 404 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 2: into your teammates, whether that's your literal teammate or your 405 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:13,880 Speaker 2: friend or family, because there's not enough therapists for us yet. 406 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 2: We all need therapists. And you know, like mental health 407 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 2: is so reactive. We usually go to a therapists when 408 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 2: the sky's fall and we need to start doing it. 409 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 2: Like physical health where man, you bench pressed all the time, 410 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 2: you run four days if you're not there all the time. Right, 411 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 2: you throw a jab all the time in the boxer, 412 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 2: and you know if you break your arm, you get 413 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 2: a cast on. Everybody signs it. You brag about those stars, right, 414 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 2: But mental health is only man. When the sky is falling, 415 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 2: we go to the therapists and I'm like we got 416 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 2: to do it constantly. But I don't know if there's 417 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 2: enough therapists yet. How much has power line chip go ahead? 418 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, first of all, I just got to say, 419 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 3: there's a lot of wisdom in what you're saying. You know, 420 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 3: the reality is, when it comes to our physical bodies, 421 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 3: we recognize, hey, I got to build up, I got 422 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 3: to go through a little bit of pain so that 423 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 3: my body is stronger so I can you know, handle 424 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 3: whatever is in front of me. Is the same thing emotionally, 425 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 3: it's the same thing. There are ways that we can 426 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 3: build resilience, emotional resilience knowing full well you're. 427 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 4: In a struggle with things. 428 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 3: You know, the three most common things that people struggle 429 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 3: with a relationship problem, difficulties with money, or problems with 430 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 3: a job or not having a job. Right that, you 431 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 3: can almost bank on the fact that you're gonna have 432 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 3: one of those at some point, and maybe two or 433 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 3: three of them. So are there ways that we can 434 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 3: help people build resilience before they they have those problems, 435 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 3: so that they're able to withstand them a little bit 436 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 3: better and bounce back from them. Yes, I believe there 437 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 3: are ways, and technology is one of the ways. 438 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 4: That we're moving in that direction. 439 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 3: There's all kinds of apps, all kinds of solutions that 440 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,400 Speaker 3: are coming to market by startup companies that are trying 441 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 3: to help folks really engage in taking care of themselves, 442 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 3: building resilience so they can just face the natural struggles 443 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 3: that face all of us every days. 444 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 2: This is why I like partnering with you guys, because, 445 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 2: like I said, we need more therapies out there, we 446 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 2: need more people we're able to be there for those 447 00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 2: who need the all, but not just when the sky's 448 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 2: fall right constantly and as you say, also, hey, if 449 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,479 Speaker 2: something's going on physically with you to deal with between 450 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 2: the ears. And again I bring it back to sports 451 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 2: and just told these teams of all the time, and 452 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 2: they're trainers and coaches, listen, somebody in your and your 453 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 2: team is injured, they can't play that week. Don't just 454 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 2: say hey, hey, you doing they're just like really, they're 455 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 2: not doing good. They're not doing well at all. Between 456 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 2: the years, like really see how they're doing, like take 457 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 2: care and figure out you could build them up while 458 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 2: they're sitting on the sidelines, because it's lowly when the 459 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 2: physical part is hurting. So I'm proud to partner with 460 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 2: you guys in this and walk on this walk together 461 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 2: because man are, like I said, I'm trying to save lives. 462 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 2: I'm trying to get it to be okay for us 463 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 2: to talk about this. I'm trying to get it words. 464 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 2: But also I'm not the expert in this. I'm not 465 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 2: a therapist, I'm not a doctor. I'm just a dude 466 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 2: who's messed up, who's good with his messed upness, who 467 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 2: has a big mouth. So I'm proud to be parted 468 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 2: with what you guys were able to do and the 469 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:57,360 Speaker 2: at least, you know, give people aware, aware to go. 470 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, And frankly, it's voices like yours that actually bring 471 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 3: it to life for everyday people. The ability to speak openly, 472 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 3: sharing your own difficulties without any kind of shame because 473 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 3: we all struggle. 474 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 4: We all struggle, you know. 475 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 3: I just give you a quick story prior to the 476 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,439 Speaker 3: pandemic and now it's coming back. I used to have 477 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 3: lost speaking. I'd be in large audiences, you know where 478 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 3: I would be talking about behavioral health and I'd ask 479 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 3: the audience raise your hand if you have a mental 480 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 3: health problem. 481 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 4: Nobody would raise their hand, and I. 482 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 3: Would say, if you have a friend or somebody you 483 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 3: know that having a problem, raise your hand. 484 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 2: All the hands will go up the friend right quota 485 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 2: with quote fession partser and okay, so all those people 486 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 2: that are struggling are not in the room. 487 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 3: So no, it's just something about the fact that people 488 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 3: are afraid to kind of say, yeah, I struggle with this. 489 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 3: We don't have any problem telling somebody, yes, spreading my leg. 490 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 3: I'm gonna, you know, walk a little slower today, you know, absolutely, Doc, I. 491 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,919 Speaker 2: Really appreciate a your service. P you're joining today. You know, 492 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 2: I always say let's let's walk this walk together. And man, 493 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 2: there's a lot of room for us to walk this 494 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 2: walk together and help a lot of people together today. 495 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 3: And we're gonna walk with you. 496 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 2: Thanks appreciating so much.